Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about
Speaker 1: that high school drama, girl drama, girl, all about them
Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you forward, Rode in our
Speaker 1: comic girl cheering father right drama, Queen's Girl Fashion. But
Speaker 1: you'll tough, girl. You could sit with us girl Drama, Queens, Drama,
Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. You guys,
Speaker 1: this is a conversation that Sophie and I personally have
Speaker 1: been looking forward to for years. We've got Joy on
Speaker 1: the second confessing no former feelings for our very handsome guest,
Speaker 1: Craig Cheffer. O. Craig Hey, Craig Joy has a question
Speaker 1: for you, and we'll all do a joint can ask
Speaker 1: him ask it? Craig, do you remember you and me
Speaker 1: sitting at De Luxe with Paul when Paul you know,
Speaker 1: I had a massive crush on you for the first one,
Speaker 1: four or five years, O show, did you know? You
Speaker 1: had to have known this? I heard something, but I
Speaker 1: know at the time, Actually, Joy, Joy, I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to handle you actually left me a letter on
Speaker 1: my doorstep. No I didn't, Yes you did. Wait wait,
Speaker 1: I didn't you left me a letter on my doorstep
Speaker 1: at the beach asking me like, let's go to a
Speaker 1: lovely afternoon on the beach and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed. You're not You're like you're a child.
Speaker 1: I was paralyzed. I was like, she's just a baby.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Oh, oh my god, pretend you
Speaker 1: never left it. Thanks, because I was forgotten. Terrible it out.
Speaker 1: You're such a good guy, because any other dude would
Speaker 1: have been year old. Give me some You're such a
Speaker 1: good what a great guy. Well that's the thing. We
Speaker 1: were sitting at dinner with Paul, and Paul goes, hey, Craig,
Speaker 1: you know, Joy has been in love with you like
Speaker 1: four years, and I'm just it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a kid, so I hadn't been
Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't had anybody just do that to me.
Speaker 1: It felt like high school. Somebody just outed you with
Speaker 1: your secrets and you were so oh god, I'm set
Speaker 1: you guys right now, I'm so sweaty. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sweaty. I didn't I'm not sweating. I'm sweating
Speaker 1: out of my eyeballs right now. I don't know what's happening. Well,
Speaker 1: you handled it all with such grace, and it's just
Speaker 1: all the more testament to what an awesome guy you are.
Speaker 1: And we just well we had a great connection talking
Speaker 1: about poetry and writing and all that stuff that you
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you were all into that. So I
Speaker 1: think that's really what it was about. We set noise
Speaker 1: talking about you were writing and I was writing, and well,
Speaker 1: you you're such an attractive personality. You're so interested in
Speaker 1: other people, You're so interested in learning, and you're a
Speaker 1: curious person and you know you really I think that's
Speaker 1: what makes you such a great actor too. And you
Speaker 1: brought all That's why we fell in love with Keith
Speaker 1: as well. We we loved this guy who was so
Speaker 1: compassionate and so interested. You know. Keith was a great
Speaker 1: listener and and he was everybody's best friend, you know,
Speaker 1: and you brought that sense, that sense of yourself. It's
Speaker 1: so interesting for us to watch the show now and
Speaker 1: look back. Hillary you said it. Craig's are romantic, like
Speaker 1: you make things, you create, you you write poetry, you
Speaker 1: you lean into um you know, the essence under the words,
Speaker 1: and none of us, you know, we were all twenty
Speaker 1: one year old ding dongs and like we were in
Speaker 1: the era of Tiger Beat when all the boys were
Speaker 1: idiots and and here you were, like talking about poems
Speaker 1: and you were like velvet in a person, and we
Speaker 1: were so just enamored by you. And it's fun to
Speaker 1: see the way we all kind of looked at you, like, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a grown up. We see him, We
Speaker 1: see all that in Keith, and it's I mean, we
Speaker 1: just love him. We love to watch you. This episode
Speaker 1: was so gorgeous for for that romance that you put
Speaker 1: in him. I am so like old man with technology.
Speaker 1: I was trying to try to find a show less
Speaker 1: and I can't find it. What do you remember from it, though? Like,
Speaker 1: how what do you remember from originally getting the script
Speaker 1: of the pilot and coming aboard this ship the original Yeah,
Speaker 1: ravens oh oh, I just really well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I really liked the character, you know, Um, I like
Speaker 1: the mentor aspect of him and the relationship with the
Speaker 1: brother and the whole Um. I don't know what Shakespearean
Speaker 1: feel to it, you know what I mean? And uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just was really looking
Speaker 1: forward to it because I had never done television to
Speaker 1: that point. Um, before that, it was just movie movie movies,
Speaker 1: and things started slow down. And well at that time
Speaker 1: it was when I was doing a lot of direct
Speaker 1: to what's called the direct to video stuff was happening.
Speaker 1: So this was an opportunity to do something that was,
Speaker 1: you know, going to get seen more because for about
Speaker 1: four years before that it was things were getting little slow. Also,
Speaker 1: that's when reality TV really took over, like programming, right
Speaker 1: hell yeah, so yeah, So I just it was a
Speaker 1: new adventure and it was really great to be down there.
Speaker 1: Had you beend to Wilmington's before, Yeah, I had done Um,
Speaker 1: I had done a movie with my daughter's mom called
Speaker 1: The Grave with Josh Charles and Eric Roberts and Eric Robbers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love him. Um Craig, you beat
Speaker 1: my husband out for the role of Uncle Keith. Um. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: way literally when we met, he was like, I auditioned
Speaker 1: for that show and I'm like, what what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Whatever? Are you kidding me? Everyone wanted to
Speaker 1: be Uncle Keith because that was like the sexiest part.
Speaker 1: It was like the cool guy and you brought so
Speaker 1: much of your own style to it um. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite stories you've ever, ever ever told me is
Speaker 1: about Andy Warhol discovering you. Oh my god, I need
Speaker 1: you to tell people this story because i just watched
Speaker 1: the Andy Warhol documentary and I'm like, where's Craig. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the whole thing yet. I only watched the
Speaker 1: first ever since I since I told you that, Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'll tell the story very quickly. I'm twenty three
Speaker 1: years old. I've just gotten my first role on Broadway,
Speaker 1: literally like the day before, two days before. So I'm
Speaker 1: at my last day working at Cafe Shasha on the
Speaker 1: West Village. Like my I was like, I'm done with work.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work. I never did work again after that.
Speaker 1: I'm leaving work. I'm walking down the street. I've got
Speaker 1: my shirt open, you know, just trucking home and and
Speaker 1: and my jeans on, and this limousine kind of slowly
Speaker 1: posed by me, and the windows cracked down. I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I see top of the head looking out, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it was a little weird. And then I
Speaker 1: walked down a little further. Now comes back the other way,
Speaker 1: it circles again. I'm like, somebody stopped in me. Anyway,
Speaker 1: limousine pulls up and this guy gets out, a younger guy,
Speaker 1: and he comes up and goes high. Um um, Andy
Speaker 1: Warhol is in that limousine and he wants to shoot
Speaker 1: I'm like Andy, I says that the Campbell soup guy.
Speaker 1: But that was That's how I knew about it. Like
Speaker 1: it was just as ship hell from Pennsylvania that moved
Speaker 1: up to New York and gradually h grew some culture
Speaker 1: in my u you know, and my soul. But anyway, um,
Speaker 1: so I go over the window and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: i'd really like to shoot you. And I was like okay.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, for me three hundred bucks. And and
Speaker 1: so I called my age and I was like, this guy,
Speaker 1: Andy Warhole wants he wants to take your picture. Go
Speaker 1: do it, man, what are you kidding me? And make
Speaker 1: sure you get a copy. And I was like okay. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So I go up to the student and I have
Speaker 1: lunch at the in the in the factory, around this
Speaker 1: big table with these other people, strange people. They were
Speaker 1: just strange everybody in there, everything about it, and he says, well,
Speaker 1: you ready to do the pictures? Ye know? He goes
Speaker 1: on the back and he's like, well, um, how many
Speaker 1: clothes can you take off? And I was like wait
Speaker 1: a minute. And I was like, he said, well can
Speaker 1: you take your shirt off? And asa share? Anyway, So
Speaker 1: he had American flag on the back wall and he
Speaker 1: took you know, did a photo shoot. He did a
Speaker 1: bunch of pictures of me and and and that was
Speaker 1: one thing. He was really nice. He invited me to
Speaker 1: all all the parties that they had, you know after that,
Speaker 1: which was kind of cool, you know, and he started there.
Speaker 1: It was like all kinds of big stars like Bowie
Speaker 1: and you got to hang out with people like that
Speaker 1: and and anyway, So here here's the the end of
Speaker 1: it or the so my daughter, my daughter is a
Speaker 1: brother and sister? Who are my god children? Um? The
Speaker 1: the girl like cause my daughter and goes, oh my god.
Speaker 1: They call me chongo, which is monkey in Spanish. Just
Speaker 1: so tongo. There's some one of those pictures what Christen's website?
Speaker 1: What I had never seen the pictures. No, I never
Speaker 1: went to see him or anything like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's is it online if you look up Andy Warhole,
Speaker 1: there's a picture a picture they shot at me. They
Speaker 1: sold it on Christie's and I guess, but it's really
Speaker 1: no way. When you told me this story like twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, you were like, never seen the picture. I
Speaker 1: can't find it. They have no idea what it looks like.
Speaker 1: I we have to post this on our social media.
Speaker 1: I'm beside myself. I'm looking for it right now. Oh
Speaker 1: godg you want this, Okay, hold on, hold on, my god,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it in the chat. I'm sending a link
Speaker 1: right now. Yes, I'm saying at you, God, Yes, this
Speaker 1: is why you pull over your limousine. This is a
Speaker 1: h you know what's crazy? Also, is I never um,
Speaker 1: I never thought you and Paul really looked like brothers.
Speaker 1: But this photo, the close up of you with your
Speaker 1: chin down, you guys have a very similar look to
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Oh my god, Craig, Craig, I'm proud of
Speaker 1: you and I love that. Oh my christ there's a
Speaker 1: there's Oh there's a bunch, Craig, absolute smoke show. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you holding this barbell? Look at your track?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Hold run no, Craig, you need
Speaker 1: to go Google search on yourself. I'm pating. We'll show
Speaker 1: you how, we'll do it for you. Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I loved these stories though, because Craig, you never told
Speaker 1: a story about like big, huge, famous people in any
Speaker 1: kind of jaded manner. You were every bit as excited
Speaker 1: as like we were as twenty one year old, you know,
Speaker 1: like you never let the business kind of I don't know,
Speaker 1: eat you harden you. I think that's a you know,
Speaker 1: blue collar roots, good family. They would wouldn't put up
Speaker 1: with that, you know, kind of like them. That's nice talk.
Speaker 1: Heart of what made you perfect for Keith Well and
Speaker 1: perfect for every single woman on our show? Because, um,
Speaker 1: your track record on this show is extraordinary with the
Speaker 1: Karen had it all, the deb of it, all the
Speaker 1: jewels of it all. Um, your chemistry with all the
Speaker 1: women is is that just a gift? There? Would great
Speaker 1: group of people. Really, we had so much fun together.
Speaker 1: Moira felt like, you know, my wife and Ubara a
Speaker 1: lovely little dessert. What a flirt that Barbara? What? I
Speaker 1: am really curious, you know, because you guys were such
Speaker 1: good friends to us as young women on our first show.
Speaker 1: But you know, to to the point of what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, some of you had histories together. Some of
Speaker 1: you were there with your kids. What what was that
Speaker 1: sort of camaraderie among the grown ups like for you
Speaker 1: with you and Moira, Paul and Barbara, what what did
Speaker 1: that life look like? Because you know, we know how
Speaker 1: weird it was for ourselves to have to uproot our lives,
Speaker 1: leave college, leave jobs, moved to North Carolina. What was
Speaker 1: it like for you with you know, family, Uh, it
Speaker 1: was to me, it was great. I think one of
Speaker 1: the things, like with Moira, is you know, you guys
Speaker 1: have had this last twenty years years of you know,
Speaker 1: your brand of stardom and and the different roads you've traveled.
Speaker 1: And Moira and I kind of always traveled around each other.
Speaker 1: We were always kind of both doing all these you know,
Speaker 1: big movies and and stuff like that. And then and
Speaker 1: then both of us were on TV for the first time.
Speaker 1: It's just and and I think also being sequestered in
Speaker 1: a place like we were, and the outside world your
Speaker 1: your NORMALI outside world isn't there. You kind of bond
Speaker 1: because that's that's you know, that's where you are and
Speaker 1: what you have, and you're in a new world. And um,
Speaker 1: I think that displacement kind of makes for new friendships.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I want to know about when Keith spoiler
Speaker 1: alert and Keith died. Um did you did you know
Speaker 1: in advanced did they did they come and talk to
Speaker 1: you ahead of time or did you just get the script?
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, I guess this is happening now,
Speaker 1: Like what was that? Like? It was actually really, uh,
Speaker 1: extremely disappointing because I had just made a movie and
Speaker 1: financed myself for like a million dollars and Mark Schwanna
Speaker 1: told me that because they had let me go for
Speaker 1: the last six shows the season before, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna cut me, you know. He came to dinner
Speaker 1: and tell me said no, no, no, as long as
Speaker 1: the show's run, you're you're gonna be on it. You know,
Speaker 1: you're you're the character based on my brother, so all
Speaker 1: this stuff and literally the guy didn't call me until
Speaker 1: like I was talking to ponies, like, dude, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: in three days. I go, what you know, to go
Speaker 1: back to the show. And it was the next day.
Speaker 1: I was out golfing the phone rings and smart Swanni goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that's really exciting news for you. It's gonna be the
Speaker 1: best season ever and that, I said, we as I
Speaker 1: was wondering when you're gonna like, I didn't even get
Speaker 1: a call, so I didn't what was going on. And
Speaker 1: I had my agent call yesterday nobody returned his call,
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, it was good news and bad news.
Speaker 1: You know, um it's a great tells me about this
Speaker 1: great thing. And then he goes and then Paul shoots
Speaker 1: you and I go, okay, so I'm dead. Does that
Speaker 1: mean they don't get paid anymore? Yeah? It was like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, all the regular role with it,
Speaker 1: like it was pretty cheap. No, it was, but just
Speaker 1: the way it was handled and that you don't call
Speaker 1: me and you can talk to me about it, it's
Speaker 1: not okay. That's just kind of the worst example of
Speaker 1: people in power in our industry treating us, the ones
Speaker 1: who move and change their lives for their shows, like
Speaker 1: they treat us like worth supply rather than disposable. Sorry,
Speaker 1: like three days a week, And I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: can you because Willow was with me in the first
Speaker 1: two years from schooler and all that, and then after that,
Speaker 1: I was like, can you maybe just give me every
Speaker 1: other Friday off so I can fly home and they
Speaker 1: were just such, yeah, maybe we have said it on
Speaker 1: this show. We're like, oh, you can say whatever you
Speaker 1: want to say. Almost we didn't, Craig, we didn't know.
Speaker 1: It was most of our like first pretty big jobs,
Speaker 1: and so we didn't know how toxic it was until
Speaker 1: I went and I worked on White Collar and they
Speaker 1: were lovely. They're like, oh, you want to see your child, fantastic.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen your husband in three weeks, fantastic. We'll
Speaker 1: figure this out. And I was like, oh, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there's a different way. Not that it's not that that hard.
Speaker 1: You can and we do know that, you know, production
Speaker 1: tentiles can get crazy simple things. It was just like
Speaker 1: it was so about like control. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I had really uh. I showed up as this character
Speaker 1: had teeny bit of facial hair. I wore my boots
Speaker 1: outside my pants. That got always did we talk about
Speaker 1: your boots all the time. They threatened to fire me
Speaker 1: about my boots. I was like, look, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: leave my boots in my I wear my band in.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for the first three or four weeks. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't want that anymore, and we want your hair combed. Back,
Speaker 1: and we want your shaved, and we want this a
Speaker 1: little that the point of the call, my agent going, well,
Speaker 1: if this is how our struggle is going to continue,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna get rid of them. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff that they break down your soul,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And it's only a power struggle because
Speaker 1: they're creating totally unreasonable a totally unreasonable bar for anybody
Speaker 1: to reach and non collaborative control. And something that feels
Speaker 1: important is like to acknowledge, Look, you you hired each
Speaker 1: of us because of what we brought to a character. Right,
Speaker 1: you take that away. If you take it away, what
Speaker 1: are we doing? And there there's so little acknowledgement given
Speaker 1: to the uprooting, the moving, the pulling your daughter out
Speaker 1: of school, having to put her in a new place,
Speaker 1: the leading your entire family behind, the being on this
Speaker 1: crazy schedule. We love what we do, so we do it.
Speaker 1: But you literally our creativity, Yeah, you're not. Are we
Speaker 1: here anything in your entire life? What time you wake up,
Speaker 1: what time you go to bed, nothing except for your creativity.
Speaker 1: And for somebody to say, we hired you for your
Speaker 1: creativity and now we want to step on it. You
Speaker 1: just go like, what's happening here? Why am I here?
Speaker 1: Wild control? Oh, if we washed our hair in the
Speaker 1: wrong direction, we were like threatened with being fired. My
Speaker 1: last season. They called. They were like, your hair is
Speaker 1: too red, and I was like, I'm gone, I'm a ghost.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anymore. That yeah, no, it was. It
Speaker 1: was crazy. I remember our our our Voldemort. I'd gone
Speaker 1: to do a movie in the summer between seasons two
Speaker 1: and three, and Hillary knows we talked all about it
Speaker 1: because there are favorite kind of girls. I was playing
Speaker 1: this like super goth chick in New Orleans, and I
Speaker 1: cut bangs and I dyed my hair jet black and
Speaker 1: like the character had tattoos, super fun. So obviously I
Speaker 1: dyed my hair back to like the brooke Davis Brown.
Speaker 1: When I come home and Mark lost his mind on me,
Speaker 1: my bangs were growing out. It was like a cute
Speaker 1: little side like little part moment. We all loved it.
Speaker 1: Joy I remember being, oh, my god, you're so cute
Speaker 1: with bangs. Like we were excited. And you know what
Speaker 1: he said to me, a grown man who was my boss?
Speaker 1: I was twenty two three. I I can't do math, Uh,
Speaker 1: he goes, who the I told you you could cut bangs.
Speaker 1: You know who had bangs, all the cheerleaders in high
Speaker 1: school who never wanted to have sex with me, And
Speaker 1: I was like, what's happening, What's happening? Is this what
Speaker 1: I'm getting yelled at for? Like Craig it was so
Speaker 1: controlling and gross and misogynistic and creepy for us. You know,
Speaker 1: he'd yell at Hillary and I if we put our
Speaker 1: hair in ponytails during cheer practice. Like that was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons also why they were trying to figure
Speaker 1: out if they could write me off the show too.
Speaker 1: Joy didn't want to do the blocking that every single
Speaker 1: you know, if the director showed up and they said, okay,
Speaker 1: we would sometimes show up to rehearsal and it would
Speaker 1: be a blocking It would be uh supposed to be
Speaker 1: a blocking rehearsal, but they would have it already lit
Speaker 1: and they would already have decided where you're gonna walk,
Speaker 1: and it was just like we're just gonna do a
Speaker 1: run through and then and then just say your lines,
Speaker 1: we're gonna roll, Okay, can't come to set camera ready,
Speaker 1: And I'd show up and I'd be like, I appreciate
Speaker 1: that everybody's trying to move fast, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to walk across the room because it doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense for my character. She has to stay grounded right
Speaker 1: where she is. If she goes to that moarther room,
Speaker 1: it implies that she's going further into the house when
Speaker 1: all she wants to do is run out the door,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, well, we're already lived there to
Speaker 1: discuss it with you. Yes, you get, you get to
Speaker 1: make the final decision all that, but you're you're not
Speaker 1: even regarding our creativity or exactly if you've got a
Speaker 1: good exact if you've got a good reason, like let's
Speaker 1: talk about it for sure, exactly. But it's the difference
Speaker 1: between discussion and order, Like when someone orders you to
Speaker 1: do something versus says, hey, I have this idea, what's
Speaker 1: your idea, Let's meet at an idea. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a control versus a collaboration. And and I think, as
Speaker 1: we're having this moment in society where we're talking about
Speaker 1: the way we treat each other, like what I love
Speaker 1: about us and the thing we formulated back then that
Speaker 1: we've held onto, is we really like to collaborate with
Speaker 1: each other, and we don't like it when anybody's getting controlled,
Speaker 1: whether it's us or anybody out there in the world.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of stirring I'm here for. So
Speaker 1: the point is that I love us, and I have
Speaker 1: to say Craig and I think I can speak for
Speaker 1: all of us. It's kind of mind blowing to know
Speaker 1: we we thought we got a lot of this because
Speaker 1: we were young women. We had no idea they were
Speaker 1: doing this to YouTube, literally no clue to us. You
Speaker 1: know you you came in like royalty on our show
Speaker 1: and to the network, and people always I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know this, but people were like, can you
Speaker 1: believe we got Craig show? First? It was why I
Speaker 1: signed on to the show. They talked about how we
Speaker 1: got you and Moira so much. So it's like I'm shocked,
Speaker 1: But knowing who they were, I'm not surprised they were
Speaker 1: terrible to you, but I'm shocked they were terrible to you.
Speaker 1: They were to you guys too, because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, they're young and beautiful. They can't complain about
Speaker 1: anything that these people. I was like forty two at
Speaker 1: the time. I guess ago you were a baby. I
Speaker 1: think it's really it's really comedy industry that the people
Speaker 1: writing you guys were getting that same pressure. I think
Speaker 1: it would have been. I remember on my first movie
Speaker 1: at a diabolical director and an actor, they were playing
Speaker 1: this um method game with me of some sort, and
Speaker 1: I just remember how it just me up. For years,
Speaker 1: I didn't trust anybody. I go on set and I
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta protect myself, man, you know, And
Speaker 1: then you go on a good set you still felt
Speaker 1: that you had a you know, really feel things out
Speaker 1: because there's some and for people like people who are
Speaker 1: real artists, it's trust is everything. As an actor, you
Speaker 1: got to be able to be vulnerable, and if you
Speaker 1: feel like you're getting messed with, it's really hard to
Speaker 1: do your best work and then to feel good about absolutely.
Speaker 1: And it's I think it's a really common thing in
Speaker 1: the industry though, that the people writing the checks are
Speaker 1: under the misconception that actors are just the puppets or animation.
Speaker 1: Like you can. I was going to use those exact
Speaker 1: terms of five minutes ago when you were talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like that many times on a set where
Speaker 1: that they just don't quite understand that I actually have
Speaker 1: put a lot of thought and work into that. There's
Speaker 1: a reason why I'm not just a face. I actually
Speaker 1: have done a lot of work. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know there's a brain in there. They're hoping to perfection
Speaker 1: perfect c g I, and they won't need us anymore. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's see how that goes, Craig. I think part of
Speaker 1: the reason we're also close is because we went through
Speaker 1: this pretty toxic experience together. Like when we see each
Speaker 1: other at conventions, it is a big family reunion. And
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear. You were a safe
Speaker 1: place for us well before the me too movement happened,
Speaker 1: before we ever vocalized our concerns. You were always a
Speaker 1: good guy for us, and I appreciate that. Um. I
Speaker 1: feel badly that this experience didn't honor you as it should.
Speaker 1: But I want to know, like what your favorite job
Speaker 1: of all time was, Like, what's the job that was
Speaker 1: the most fun experience ever? Well, there's I had a
Speaker 1: lot of jobs that were fun experiences, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: Riverence through it by far like the most. It just
Speaker 1: has so much heart soul. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 1: so deep. You're so dreaming in that movie? Did you
Speaker 1: know the guy some people think it's dream here, But
Speaker 1: did you keep did you keep up fishing at all
Speaker 1: after that movie or was it kind of just the
Speaker 1: thing you did for the film. And then you called
Speaker 1: I can't I can't even hook a fish and feel
Speaker 1: good like I grew up. You know, my family has
Speaker 1: a hunting cat, and I was just like, I so
Speaker 1: can't cook. Oh gosh, that guilty. I lived on a
Speaker 1: lake though for twenty five years, and remember I enjoy
Speaker 1: swimming in lakes and going off rope swings and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, and I fish. I'm not a vegetarian
Speaker 1: or anything like that. She'll be able to catch him,
Speaker 1: but Sophie does that. Sophia goes fishing in Montana. Now,
Speaker 1: just I was gonna say, Craig, I'll catch your fish
Speaker 1: for you and then I'll cook him. I really do
Speaker 1: think that. My my sort of you know, nostalgic love
Speaker 1: affair with learning to fly fish is because of you.
Speaker 1: I I mean, not not like you guys did in
Speaker 1: the movie or anything, but yeah, yeah, I'll send you
Speaker 1: a picture. Um, I started actually going thank you you, cutie.
Speaker 1: I started um going on fly fishing trips years ago
Speaker 1: before Grant and I started dating. I I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've always, you know, loved the great outdoors
Speaker 1: and been like a road tripper and a camper and
Speaker 1: all those things, and it was a thing I'd always
Speaker 1: wanted to learn. And I was up, you know, Hillary
Speaker 1: mentioned in Montana with some friends and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do this, and I got so hooked.
Speaker 1: And I've taken like groups of girlfriends to fly fish
Speaker 1: in Alaska, gone back to Montana, um fly fish in
Speaker 1: New Mexico. I love them. I love it what she started. Craig,
Speaker 1: you didn't thank you, thank you for my favorite sexy
Speaker 1: lady hobby at them sometimes, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's nothing like when you've had a good day and
Speaker 1: you're like, I've done it, I've gotten good at this,
Speaker 1: and then the next day you don't catch anything and
Speaker 1: you're like, and I'm humbled by nature once again. I shall,
Speaker 1: I shall go home empty handed. How long are you
Speaker 1: in l A, Craig? Are you there? Are you living
Speaker 1: in l A? Now I've moved back? Yeah? Right, alright, Well,
Speaker 1: next time, like I said, it was the first week
Speaker 1: of the pandemic and just hung out for a long time.
Speaker 1: And now I'm, you know, um starting to work good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just played Nixon on American Horror Story, which how
Speaker 1: was that? Super cool? It was? It was just a blast, man.
Speaker 1: I love now talking about again a creative experience. I
Speaker 1: mean they were so supportive, you know, like Ryan Murphy
Speaker 1: was just very you know, I would hear like what
Speaker 1: I was doing. Nobody ever really tried to control anything,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, I got direction all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was really really fun. I love him.
Speaker 1: And when they sent it to me, I was like me, Nixon,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't get it. And then I
Speaker 1: was like I started watching stuff. I'm playing around. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there he is, and I like stuffed my cheeks with
Speaker 1: cotton like Brando did The Godfather. Oh my gosh, my head.
Speaker 1: It was. It was just fun. I was like playing
Speaker 1: a character, which is like we all love to do
Speaker 1: the most right something else or I'm so curious about that.
Speaker 1: To play someone so famous, where do you start? Like
Speaker 1: what what's the doorway into as an actor playing a
Speaker 1: character like Nixon? Where do you begin? Yeah? I just
Speaker 1: started with YouTube, you know, I just started watching his
Speaker 1: speeches and his mannerisms, and you know, I only had
Speaker 1: like three days to prepare it for I put myself
Speaker 1: on table, you know. Yeah, so, but I do immersed
Speaker 1: myself in YouTube for like two or three days and
Speaker 1: started playing with makeup and and wow. And as soon
Speaker 1: as I do, I was just like, this is weird.
Speaker 1: I look like you know, I just said, I put
Speaker 1: my own spin on it because it was they this
Speaker 1: says season. It was double feature last year, and I'm
Speaker 1: in the last four, the second half of the double feature,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's all shot in black and white
Speaker 1: and it's fifties UFO stuff with you know, Eisenhower and
Speaker 1: Kennedy people. Nixon's like this macadline died behind the whole things,
Speaker 1: selling out to the UFOs to be selling out to
Speaker 1: the aliens to become present. I just dropped the photos.
Speaker 1: Who has Nixon into our Oh my god, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: When you're day actor, you're actor. I am really lucky
Speaker 1: that we had you at the beginning stages of our
Speaker 1: trajectory because you have always been a really strong example
Speaker 1: for us of good behavior on set and creativity and
Speaker 1: asserting yourself without being combative, you know, like you're you're
Speaker 1: a really good leader. And so now when you're when
Speaker 1: we're in l A, We're going to come bug you.
Speaker 1: Is that okay? Can we come bug? You can do?
Speaker 1: I'm you, guys for all this, all the stuff you've
Speaker 1: been doing, all the all the stuff you've been doing.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy. And I just can't believe you guys
Speaker 1: are I can't believe you're like almost the age I
Speaker 1: was when I did. They didn't tell me about it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Barry wasn't old. Everyone thought Barry
Speaker 1: was old, and I'm like, Berry's not old, you guys,
Speaker 1: Berry's like young, he was young. You know, he's just
Speaker 1: been playing a grumpy old man forever, but he is.
Speaker 1: That's my We spent a lot of time together at
Speaker 1: Charlie Barn. Yes, oh my gosh, yes, that's so fun.
Speaker 1: That such good to see you. Before we leave, what
Speaker 1: was your favorite place in Wilmington's Because the fans really
Speaker 1: do like to like do tours of our old haunts.
Speaker 1: So last question, favorite spot in Wilmington's mm hmmmm hm
Speaker 1: oh Circus Circle. Oh yeah, you were Circa right. I
Speaker 1: just loved Circa. I loved the dark Wood. It was
Speaker 1: just like my house. It was like being back at
Speaker 1: my house. And that food there was incredible. I like
Speaker 1: the Soapa Bar two a lot, but I'd say those
Speaker 1: two are my favorite. Pork City Chop House wasn't bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: remember that the beach. Yes, Chicketty's is that still there?
Speaker 1: There were so many good restaurants. That was one of
Speaker 1: the great things. Would you say, chick Hetty's that Italian
Speaker 1: restaurant that was over by Yeah, the hash guy owned
Speaker 1: that place. Yeah, I missed that place. Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to take a trip back, Craig. Are we going
Speaker 1: to see you in train Hill again? Coming up sometimes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, we're gonna go to Trunk Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: you better wear those boots and you better keep your
Speaker 1: pants tucked into. I want to see boots in a
Speaker 1: bandana around my neck now ever, since a pandemic, I
Speaker 1: need not around my head anymore. Oh, Craig, you are
Speaker 1: just the best. Thank you so much for out what
Speaker 1: those today. Thank you, guys, We love you later. We'll
Speaker 1: see you soon. Bright One Tree Hill fans, guys, I
Speaker 1: cannot wait for all of us to be together with
Speaker 1: Craig wearing jackets that he made for us. It is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to call my pants into boots, no
Speaker 1: pants outside of the pepper Never. I gotta get him.
Speaker 1: I gotta get my bandanas out. I'm ready for this
Speaker 1: for you. Yes. Can we drama queen bandanas? Yes? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we need him drama queen bandanas with little
Speaker 1: flaming hearts on them. Ladies, let's spin a wheel because
Speaker 1: we've done a two parter and last week we didn't
Speaker 1: get to see. What are supers my favorite right? Most
Speaker 1: likely to become a motivational speaker, that's what Sophia does.
Speaker 1: Let's little job, I think so yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: was the easiest one that we remember had to do
Speaker 1: kind of and Brook, I mean, I don't know who
Speaker 1: else besides his mouth. Mouth is always a good you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a jack of all of all trade. Andy.
Speaker 1: Andy gives talk. So what is your favorite bit of
Speaker 1: motivational speaking that you've ever done? Was it the one
Speaker 1: with Michelle Obama or was it the one with your
Speaker 1: favorite speech? Oh? Man, I mean yeah, doing doing education
Speaker 1: advocacy work with Mrs Obama was pretty insane. Um, But
Speaker 1: I don't know I think I've taken different things from
Speaker 1: different moments. I I remember, you know, speaking downtown at
Speaker 1: a big march in l A and just looking out
Speaker 1: at the sea of like a million people and thinking, Wow,
Speaker 1: if everyone is willing to show up for each other,
Speaker 1: for their community, for democracy, for ideas like we we
Speaker 1: have this uncrushable spirit as humans, and it just makes
Speaker 1: me feel really pumped. Yeah. No, I I can't help that.
Speaker 1: This is this was this is definitely me. I'm hearing
Speaker 1: the words coming out of my mouth and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what stump speech? Am I giving? I need to I
Speaker 1: need to go to bed. You have come such a
Speaker 1: long way since DW not I baby, we are very
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. All right, What do we
Speaker 1: got next week? Next week we have episode seventeen of
Speaker 1: season two. Something I can never have that sounds depressing.
Speaker 1: What's something you can never have? I don't know what
Speaker 1: apparely none of these characters can never have healthy relationships.
Speaker 1: I'm very curious what what that pertains to next. I
Speaker 1: can never have expensive sunglasses. Yeah, I can never have
Speaker 1: rugs that don't have like dog p on them. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm compound is killing me. Okay, yeah, well we
Speaker 1: love you guys. Thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 1: once again. Thanks to Craig Scheffer for being a total
Speaker 1: smoke show and entertaining us. Hell's yeah, hey, thanks for listening.
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