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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. Were all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, girl drama, girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you forward, Rode in our

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Speaker 1: comic girl cheering father right drama, Queen's Girl Fashion. But

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drama, Queen's Drama, Queens. You guys,

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Speaker 1: this is a conversation that Sophie and I personally have

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Speaker 1: been looking forward to for years. We've got Joy on

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Speaker 1: Craig Cheffer. O. Craig Hey, Craig Joy has a question

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Speaker 1: for you, and we'll all do a joint can ask

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Speaker 1: him ask it? Craig, do you remember you and me

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Speaker 1: sitting at De Luxe with Paul when Paul you know,

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Speaker 1: It felt like high school. Somebody just outed you with

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Speaker 1: out of my eyeballs right now. I don't know what's happening. Well,

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Speaker 1: And we just well we had a great connection talking

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Speaker 1: talking about you were writing and I was writing, and well,

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Speaker 1: and you brought that sense, that sense of yourself. It's

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Speaker 1: you make things, you create, you you write poetry, you

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Hold run no, Craig, you need

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Speaker 1: Karen had it all, the deb of it, all the

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Speaker 1: perfect c g I, and they won't need us anymore. Hey,

424
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: let's see how that goes, Craig. I think part of

425
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: the reason we're also close is because we went through

426
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: this pretty toxic experience together. Like when we see each

427
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: other at conventions, it is a big family reunion. And

428
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear. You were a safe

429
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: place for us well before the me too movement happened,

430
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: before we ever vocalized our concerns. You were always a

431
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: good guy for us, and I appreciate that. Um. I

432
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: feel badly that this experience didn't honor you as it should.

433
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: But I want to know, like what your favorite job

434
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: of all time was, Like, what's the job that was

435
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: the most fun experience ever? Well, there's I had a

436
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: lot of jobs that were fun experiences, but you know, yeah,

437
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: Riverence through it by far like the most. It just

438
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: has so much heart soul. I don't know, it's just

439
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: so deep. You're so dreaming in that movie? Did you

440
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: know the guy some people think it's dream here, But

441
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: did you keep did you keep up fishing at all

442
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: after that movie or was it kind of just the

443
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: thing you did for the film. And then you called

444
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: I can't I can't even hook a fish and feel

445
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: good like I grew up. You know, my family has

446
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: a hunting cat, and I was just like, I so

447
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: can't cook. Oh gosh, that guilty. I lived on a

448
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: lake though for twenty five years, and remember I enjoy

449
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: swimming in lakes and going off rope swings and all

450
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, and I fish. I'm not a vegetarian

451
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: or anything like that. She'll be able to catch him,

452
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: but Sophie does that. Sophia goes fishing in Montana. Now,

453
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: just I was gonna say, Craig, I'll catch your fish

454
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: for you and then I'll cook him. I really do

455
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: think that. My my sort of you know, nostalgic love

456
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: affair with learning to fly fish is because of you.

457
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: I I mean, not not like you guys did in

458
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: the movie or anything, but yeah, yeah, I'll send you

459
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: a picture. Um, I started actually going thank you you, cutie.

460
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: I started um going on fly fishing trips years ago

461
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: before Grant and I started dating. I I just I

462
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I've always, you know, loved the great outdoors

463
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: and been like a road tripper and a camper and

464
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: all those things, and it was a thing I'd always

465
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: wanted to learn. And I was up, you know, Hillary

466
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: mentioned in Montana with some friends and I was like,

467
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do this, and I got so hooked.

468
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: And I've taken like groups of girlfriends to fly fish

469
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: in Alaska, gone back to Montana, um fly fish in

470
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: New Mexico. I love them. I love it what she started. Craig,

471
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: you didn't thank you, thank you for my favorite sexy

472
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: lady hobby at them sometimes, isn't it. Yeah? Yeah, And

473
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: there's nothing like when you've had a good day and

474
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: you're like, I've done it, I've gotten good at this,

475
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: and then the next day you don't catch anything and

476
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: you're like, and I'm humbled by nature once again. I shall,

477
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I shall go home empty handed. How long are you

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00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: in l A, Craig? Are you there? Are you living

479
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: in l A? Now I've moved back? Yeah? Right, alright, Well,

480
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: next time, like I said, it was the first week

481
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: of the pandemic and just hung out for a long time.

482
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: And now I'm, you know, um starting to work good. Yeah,

483
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: you just played Nixon on American Horror Story, which how

484
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: was that? Super cool? It was? It was just a blast, man.

485
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I love now talking about again a creative experience. I

486
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: mean they were so supportive, you know, like Ryan Murphy

487
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: was just very you know, I would hear like what

488
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: I was doing. Nobody ever really tried to control anything,

489
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, I got direction all that.

490
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was really really fun. I love him.

491
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: And when they sent it to me, I was like me, Nixon,

492
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't get it. And then I

493
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: was like I started watching stuff. I'm playing around. I'm like,

494
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: there he is, and I like stuffed my cheeks with

495
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: cotton like Brando did The Godfather. Oh my gosh, my head.

496
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: It was. It was just fun. I was like playing

497
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: a character, which is like we all love to do

498
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: the most right something else or I'm so curious about that.

499
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: To play someone so famous, where do you start? Like

500
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: what what's the doorway into as an actor playing a

501
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: character like Nixon? Where do you begin? Yeah? I just

502
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: started with YouTube, you know, I just started watching his

503
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: speeches and his mannerisms, and you know, I only had

504
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: like three days to prepare it for I put myself

505
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: on table, you know. Yeah, so, but I do immersed

506
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: myself in YouTube for like two or three days and

507
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: started playing with makeup and and wow. And as soon

508
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: as I do, I was just like, this is weird.

509
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: I look like you know, I just said, I put

510
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: my own spin on it because it was they this

511
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: says season. It was double feature last year, and I'm

512
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: in the last four, the second half of the double feature,

513
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: and it's like it's all shot in black and white

514
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: and it's fifties UFO stuff with you know, Eisenhower and

515
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: Kennedy people. Nixon's like this macadline died behind the whole things,

516
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: selling out to the UFOs to be selling out to

517
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: the aliens to become present. I just dropped the photos.

518
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: Who has Nixon into our Oh my god, this is unbelievable.

519
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: When you're day actor, you're actor. I am really lucky

520
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: that we had you at the beginning stages of our

521
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: trajectory because you have always been a really strong example

522
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: for us of good behavior on set and creativity and

523
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: asserting yourself without being combative, you know, like you're you're

524
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: a really good leader. And so now when you're when

525
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: we're in l A, We're going to come bug you.

526
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: Is that okay? Can we come bug? You can do?

527
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm you, guys for all this, all the stuff you've

528
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: been doing, all the all the stuff you've been doing.

529
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm just happy. And I just can't believe you guys

530
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: are I can't believe you're like almost the age I

531
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: was when I did. They didn't tell me about it. No, No,

532
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Barry wasn't old. Everyone thought Barry

533
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: was old, and I'm like, Berry's not old, you guys,

534
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: Berry's like young, he was young. You know, he's just

535
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: been playing a grumpy old man forever, but he is.

536
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: That's my We spent a lot of time together at

537
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Charlie Barn. Yes, oh my gosh, yes, that's so fun.

538
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: That such good to see you. Before we leave, what

539
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: was your favorite place in Wilmington's Because the fans really

540
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: do like to like do tours of our old haunts.

541
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: So last question, favorite spot in Wilmington's mm hmmmm hm

542
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: oh Circus Circle. Oh yeah, you were Circa right. I

543
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: just loved Circa. I loved the dark Wood. It was

544
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: just like my house. It was like being back at

545
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: my house. And that food there was incredible. I like

546
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: the Soapa Bar two a lot, but I'd say those

547
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: two are my favorite. Pork City Chop House wasn't bad. Yeah,

548
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: remember that the beach. Yes, Chicketty's is that still there?

549
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: There were so many good restaurants. That was one of

550
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: the great things. Would you say, chick Hetty's that Italian

551
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: restaurant that was over by Yeah, the hash guy owned

552
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: that place. Yeah, I missed that place. Well, we're gonna

553
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: have to take a trip back, Craig. Are we going

554
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to see you in train Hill again? Coming up sometimes? Yeah?

555
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, we're gonna go to Trunk Yeah. Wait,

556
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: you better wear those boots and you better keep your

557
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: pants tucked into. I want to see boots in a

558
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: bandana around my neck now ever, since a pandemic, I

559
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: need not around my head anymore. Oh, Craig, you are

560
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: just the best. Thank you so much for out what

561
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: those today. Thank you, guys, We love you later. We'll

562
00:33:48,120 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: see you soon. Bright One Tree Hill fans, guys, I

563
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: cannot wait for all of us to be together with

564
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Craig wearing jackets that he made for us. It is like, yeah,

565
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to call my pants into boots, no

566
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: pants outside of the pepper Never. I gotta get him.

567
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I gotta get my bandanas out. I'm ready for this

568
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: for you. Yes. Can we drama queen bandanas? Yes? Oh

569
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: my god, we need him drama queen bandanas with little

570
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: flaming hearts on them. Ladies, let's spin a wheel because

571
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: we've done a two parter and last week we didn't

572
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: get to see. What are supers my favorite right? Most

573
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: likely to become a motivational speaker, that's what Sophia does.

574
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Let's little job, I think so yeah, I mean that

575
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: was the easiest one that we remember had to do

576
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: kind of and Brook, I mean, I don't know who

577
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: else besides his mouth. Mouth is always a good you know,

578
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a jack of all of all trade. Andy.

579
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Andy gives talk. So what is your favorite bit of

580
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: motivational speaking that you've ever done? Was it the one

581
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: with Michelle Obama or was it the one with your

582
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: favorite speech? Oh? Man, I mean yeah, doing doing education

583
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: advocacy work with Mrs Obama was pretty insane. Um, But

584
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know I think I've taken different things from

585
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: different moments. I I remember, you know, speaking downtown at

586
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: a big march in l A and just looking out

587
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: at the sea of like a million people and thinking, Wow,

588
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: if everyone is willing to show up for each other,

589
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: for their community, for democracy, for ideas like we we

590
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: have this uncrushable spirit as humans, and it just makes

591
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: me feel really pumped. Yeah. No, I I can't help that.

592
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: This is this was this is definitely me. I'm hearing

593
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: the words coming out of my mouth and I'm like,

594
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: what stump speech? Am I giving? I need to I

595
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: need to go to bed. You have come such a

596
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: long way since DW not I baby, we are very

597
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. All right, What do we

598
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: got next week? Next week we have episode seventeen of

599
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: season two. Something I can never have that sounds depressing.

600
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: What's something you can never have? I don't know what

601
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: apparely none of these characters can never have healthy relationships.

602
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm very curious what what that pertains to next. I

603
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: can never have expensive sunglasses. Yeah, I can never have

604
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: rugs that don't have like dog p on them. That's

605
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: what I'm compound is killing me. Okay, yeah, well we

606
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Speaker 1: love you guys. Thank you so much for joining us

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00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: once again. Thanks to Craig Scheffer for being a total

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Speaker 1: smoke show and entertaining us. Hell's yeah, hey, thanks for listening.

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