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Speaker 1: One, two, one two, Hi everybody, Welcome to the Renee

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Speaker 1: Stubs Tennis podcast. I am, of course Renee Stubs with

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Speaker 1: the Australian accent, and I am joined today by Caitlin Thompson.

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Speaker 1: We are in my apartment here in New York. We've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of weeks of great tennis, and we've

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Speaker 1: also got some amazing tennis to preview and to come

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Speaker 1: in the next few weeks with Indian Wells and Miami.

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Speaker 1: But of course everyone's in Maxicore right now or in

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Speaker 1: just finished in South America, your favorite stop, Caitlin. So

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. Let's get to what happened last week.

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Speaker 1: Mira Andreva. Do we want to start with the youngest

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Speaker 1: ever winner of a w TA one thousand. First of all,

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Speaker 1: when they said that, I was like what, I had.

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Speaker 2: To see the stats? She beat Maria Sherripova by like

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Speaker 2: three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it still wins. She still wins.

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Speaker 2: Totally, which is great. I hope she goes on to

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Speaker 2: have the career Maria Cheripova dead. She I suspect she

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Speaker 2: might have even a higher ceiling. Mir Andreva has all

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Speaker 2: the tools, the scary good and when she puts it

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Speaker 2: all together, which we hadn't seen her do for the

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Speaker 2: consecutive amount of matches that she did just now and

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Speaker 2: dub I'm thrilled for her, not only because we like

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Speaker 2: her game. She's a good kid. It's awesome to see

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Speaker 2: her coach to success by Concita Martinez, which is gonna

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Speaker 2: be like that fan favorite. We can keep unpacking it,

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Speaker 2: but I think headline for me is when a player's

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Speaker 2: tools come together so cohesively like they have done, which

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Speaker 2: specifically I mean her all court play, her hands, her

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Speaker 2: sense of point construction. You know, anybody can go out

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Speaker 2: there and look good hitting random balls. When you see

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Speaker 2: somebody composed and being able to match after match beat

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Speaker 2: the kind of players she beat on the read of

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Speaker 2: this title, that's an indication that, oh she's she's doing

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Speaker 2: a lot more than hitting balls. She's composed and putting really,

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Speaker 2: really impressive performances together, and that part, I think for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think the thing that I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about overall for her results, I mean those results

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Speaker 1: last week be is Look, she's been sort of knocking

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Speaker 1: been taken out by Sablenka a couple of times in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Who hasn't and so, yeah, who hasn't, And you could

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Speaker 1: sort of see that she it was kind of like

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Speaker 1: a heavyweight playing against a middleweight in the boxing ring.

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Speaker 1: It just knew that like didn't quite have the power,

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Speaker 1: didn't quite have the strength to hit through someone like

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Speaker 1: a Sablenka. But I also think that, and you hear

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Speaker 1: this a lot from coaches or from experts to say, look,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have those matches to know also where

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Speaker 1: you're at and what you're lacking, right, And it's pretty

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Speaker 1: obvious that at her age the physicality part will come.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. She has decent high She's

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Speaker 1: going to get stronger. I don't know how much bigger

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Speaker 1: that her weight of shot is going to get better,

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Speaker 1: and her depth of shot is really good. That's what

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Speaker 1: Her balls that she hits down the line are unreal

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Speaker 1: like her back end down the line is so good.

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Speaker 1: But her as She already talks about her ability to

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Speaker 1: Her speed around the court is only going to get faster,

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Speaker 1: She's only going to get stronger in that department. But

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Speaker 1: her anticipation skills through the roof. And one thing, I

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Speaker 1: you going to push back eager syon TEC's game. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was pretty obvious what she did. I mean, she

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Speaker 1: sustained the heavy shots eager, but she also eager. The

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Speaker 1: one thing about Eager when she gets onto those faster courts,

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Speaker 1: she panics again. She goes back to sort of panicking,

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Speaker 1: not hitting the high balls, not hitting some change of pace,

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Speaker 1: But if you if I'm running to my forehand to

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Speaker 2: I was taught never to approach on a crass court

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Speaker 1: Especially not on a forehand. On a backhand, you can

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Speaker 1: Most players will hit the running back end down the line.

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Speaker 1: She thinks I can hit it harder hitting across court right,

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Speaker 1: if I were to coach somebody like an Eager shantegas,

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's a bit of a shortcoming unless

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Speaker 2: I like nerds she's always been, but it was really impressive.

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Speaker 1: She's always been a very headsy player, even for someone

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Speaker 1: Coco Golf years ago at the French Open and won

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is going on? You've just won

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened, and she completely the wheels

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Speaker 1: It's like, you've got to understand where is it coming from? Right?

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Speaker 2: I think you and I have been watching this player.

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Speaker 2: I am speaking for both of us when I say

433
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Speaker 2: we love him. We love I love his game. I'm

434
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 2: sure you too.

435
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 1: I love him.

436
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 2: He hits such a clean ball, he moves really well.

437
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 2: He's but as a human being, he's complex, and he's interesting,

438
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: and he's he's a little Dostaevsky, and he's got his

439
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 2: great hair. He's got great hair. He sort of looks

440
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: like a cat on the internet. But Andre Rublev, yeah,

441
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Speaker 2: God bless him, God bless him. He's been through it.

442
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,199
Speaker 1: God bless him, you know. And I hope someone like

443
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,959
Speaker 1: Medvedev is looking at it as well, because you know

444
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: he's going through it right now. But Andre Rublev was

445
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 1: like combustible the last couple of months is the right word,

446
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: you know. I mean last year he was playing really

447
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: good tennis. He was pushing a lot of great players,

448
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,639
Speaker 1: he was winning tournaments, and then all of a sudden,

449
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 1: he just had this period of the last few months

450
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: where he's just like completely lost. Now I will say

451
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: he lost to Fonseeka at.

452
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Speaker 2: The Estrain Open, which we'll come back to.

453
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: Which we will come back to because we know that

454
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Speaker 1: wants to talk about her South American swing. I do,

455
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 1: But it was so nice to see rube Lev when

456
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 1: when that time, because and he kept he knows exactly

457
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 1: what his weakness is, but it's getting through those moments,

458
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: and to win at another tournament beating someone like Jack

459
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: Draper in the final was phenomenal. I'm so happy for him.

460
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: Phenomenal for me. The experience of watching Andrew Rulev honestly

461
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 2: throughout his career is you're like, man, this guy plays

462
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: so incredibly well, how could he ever lose?

463
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, little bit too one dimensional.

464
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: It's a tiebreak and he loses his mind. Like not

465
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: just something goes a little bit off. It's like you're

466
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: watching somebody in total command of their body and strokes,

467
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 2: and then they just like everything starts appearing in a

468
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Speaker 2: different language. It's like it's really upsetting to watch.

469
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: But combustible. Combustible, It's like he's like got a gas

470
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: leak at all times.

471
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: It's true, you.

472
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: See the gas leak. It's just like it's seeping through

473
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: the vents. Everybody, anyone who's watched Clue knows exactly what

474
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Okay, and if you don't go watch it, okay,

475
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: it's a great movie. It's seeping through. He literally is

476
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: the epitome. Oh my god, it's seeping through the vents.

477
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: It's seeping through the vents. Do not light a match?

478
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: Right?

479
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden nobody likes the match

480
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: except him. He literally takes the match out and he goes,

481
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: where's the leak coming from? I'm just gonna light it.

482
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: Yep, it's it's a it's some kind of self destructive

483
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: compulsion that I was thrilled to see him not give into.

484
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: And there's a very funny and very widely circulated clip

485
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: on the internet right now of him putting a point

486
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: away drapers off the court and he somehow manages to

487
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: get a tiny blooper overhead in front of Rubylev, who

488
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: can put it away to the open court, and ruby

489
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: Blev misses the ball entirely, which is ruby Levian. We've

490
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: seen this before, and instead of allowing it to completely

491
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: dismantle him and get his match book out, he like

492
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: recomposes himself and manages to win the match. I feel

493
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 2: like that, Yes, you can make a lot out of

494
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: one tiny viral internet clip but at the same time

495
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: that far less has been responsible for a combustion event. Yeah,

496
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: and the fact that he didn't have a combustion event

497
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 2: in a tournament against somebody super talented and very, very

498
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Speaker 2: charismatic and kind of probably the audience favorite in Jack

499
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 2: Draper to me, was a really fantastic sounds.

500
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Speaker 1: Definitely pet Go's favorite, and he's a lot of straight

501
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: women's favorites and probably does love a little Jack Draper.

502
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: He's cute, I get it. Yeah, he wears his clothes

503
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 2: really swagging.

504
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: He had the cutest, possibly the cutest match of all

505
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: time last week between Marito Barattini, who had quite a

506
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: tournament taking out Djokovic. That's right, and uh and Jack Draper.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty that's a hugo BOSSI.

508
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: It is very runway, it's very magazine cover.

509
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: It's that was that was a good looking even for us, Caitlin,

510
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: even for us, even for us. Yeah, yeah, I thought,

511
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: this is a match that every woman that listens to

512
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: this podcast that is straight thought, this is the hottest

513
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: match I've ever seen.

514
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: I encourage them to pick up a copy of the

515
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: issue of Racket magazine that's about to come out because Taylor.

516
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Fritz looks great on it in his Hugo bass suits.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Taylor's a good looking guy kid as well,

518
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: So if you do it, it's really mateo mateyo. I

519
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 1: think number one. I think a lot of the like.

520
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: He's like mateyo number one, Jack number two Taylor. I

521
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: don't know if the women find him as like sexy

522
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: for some reason.

523
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: We're gonna get so much shit for this. Rene.

524
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. Come after the lesbians, come after us.

525
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: It's true. We couldn't have less of a dark in

526
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: his fate. But I think objectively, Ah, Jack Draper might

527
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: be a cuter to me. Oh I see, I really

528
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: think jug is extremely cute.

529
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he is cute.

530
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: I love her.

531
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: He's a little crazy as well. Yeah, listen, we want

532
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: to give props to our guy because Andre is one

533
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: of my favorite people onto us, I remember, I remember.

534
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't know it would be a good question. Maybe

535
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: I'll get him on the pod and ask him. But

536
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: I did see him in the hole in the lobby

537
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: of the highat I think I said this on the pod,

538
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: and I just said, man, yesterday when he lost a

539
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: fun sake, and he just looked at me and he's

540
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, the guy's so good. He

541
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: played so good. He played unbelievable. And I was like, yeah,

542
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: crap draw and he's like, yeah, so you're going home?

543
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: He goes yeah. I mean he's just he was walking

544
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: around like in his pajamas basically in the lobby.

545
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Was just like whatever we learned when we interviewed Andre

546
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: at the tour finals that he is a big astrology gay.

547
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, he wears his astrology saying around his neck

548
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: like maybe he just could get a reading together.

549
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love that. Actually, that would be Oh

550
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: that's good. We'll make sure we set that up.

551
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: You should do that regularly. On the part, should we

552
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 2: talk about Joe pan Seca.

553
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to just touch upon before because I

554
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: know you didn't talk about this with me and petco

555
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: last week. But it was good to see rebearkn have

556
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: least a half decent week last week. But just I mean,

557
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Speaker 1: give me your overall thoughts on that situation with the

558
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: WTA and what they've done, and just I mean, I

559
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: like your you have different thoughts sometimes to pet COO

560
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: and I on that situation.

561
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how much more I want

562
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Speaker 2: to add only because I feel like we sort of

563
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: thoroughly talked about it. I think for me, it's you

564
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: can't force somebody who is not in a position, for

565
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: whatever we know, to confront something that's going on in

566
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: their lives if they're not wanting to or willing.

567
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: You saw that her fitness trying to announced two days ago.

568
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: It seems pretty clear that the consensus around her given

569
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: the fitness trainer. But like I said, the I think

570
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: there are some really cut and dried parts of this,

571
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: which is, if your workplace is being threatened, then that's

572
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 2: enough of a reason.

573
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: You know.

574
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: I would argue that anybody who's been captured on court

575
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: abusing anybody else, maybe that's a chair umpire, maybe that's

576
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: other people, the same rules should apply, like if you

577
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: don't feel I remember we were having an event and

578
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: a sponsor was sort of saying we needed to have

579
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: somebody at our event, and I said, I'm not sure

580
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: that everyone's going to feel safe at that event. And

581
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be a snowflake, but I do

582
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: also think like they're are are rules very you know significant,

583
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: uh you know significant. I think character traits that would

584
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: make people feel uneasy Yeah, if.

585
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: There's a pretty too many players on tour right now,

586
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: if he was walking around the courts, it would feel

587
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: real happy about for sure.

588
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: And I think that has to be taken into account.

589
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: And I don't think that that's subjective. That feels quite

590
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: objective in a situation that is otherwise quite subjective. So yeah,

591
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: I I I again, I applaud the WTA for being

592
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: proactive as much as they probably could be, and they

593
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: have in past not been super I think willing to

594
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: intervene in this kind of thing. And I you know, I.

595
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Think Porsche, the CEO of the WTA, has done a

596
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: great job.

597
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to Porsche.

598
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: For sure, She's done a lot of I've liked her writing,

599
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: so I've liked the things that she said, and she's

600
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: been pretty forceful on and.

601
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say, I have to say I

602
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: think the WTA because we rip the wt Yeah for sure,

603
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: and so we should be the first ones to say

604
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: and I think we did and will continue to do so.

605
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: I think that they have everything that they can, not

606
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: only on this situation, but I think the entirety of

607
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: the organization is looking up. So yeah, shout out to that.

608
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Uh Patrick Vitavera is coming back this week. Nice to

609
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: see her back playing in Austin, so we'll see how

610
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: she does there.

611
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: What do you make of her return.

612
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: I think it's good. I think that, you know, as

613
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: long as physically she can do it is not easy

614
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: to come back when you get a little bit older

615
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: after having a baby. But I also think that her

616
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: game lends itself to still hitting the ball well, still

617
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: hitting the big serves, and I think it's going to

618
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: help her. I don't think she's going to do great

619
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks, and if she does,

620
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: more power to her, because I don't think the surfaces

621
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Miami is a little bit quicker might suit her. But

622
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: I think she's just trying to get as many mattresses

623
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: as she can in before the grass, and I think

624
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: she probably feels like that's where she's going to have

625
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: her best. Yeah, obvious, which is fair.

626
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a two time champion, big hitter, somebody

627
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: who's got massive power off the groundies that feels like

628
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: if she was like a small mover, I would be

629
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more concerned about her ability to come back,

630
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: just because I think that probably some of the sidelined

631
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: certainly as you age and also as you become a mother.

632
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see where she ends up and

633
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: how she ends up doing. But the thing for me

634
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: Caitlin is the last couple of years of her career,

635
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: I just felt like she just had nothing in the tank.

636
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: I felt like she had no fire in the belly.

637
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: She was a little bit like just going through the motions,

638
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: not really looking happy on the court. Yeah, and I

639
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: think that's because she really really just wanted to literally

640
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: get married and have a kid and was over it.

641
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: She'd been playing on tour since she was like probably sixteen,

642
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: I believe.

643
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think these like extended mental health breaks

644
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: are really useful, especially if they come with some major

645
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: life events that are by all accounts very happy and positive,

646
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: which is, you know, the addition of a family for

647
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: Patrick a bit about so Yeah, for me, the more

648
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: compelling personalities and game styles on the tour the better.

649
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: That's kind of like my default answer. So I'm like,

650
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, very happy to have her.

651
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: I am really excited. I don't know about you, but this,

652
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: you know a couple of young players like Mickelson and

653
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: Learner Tien. Yeah, in Australia, had such a great run,

654
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: and you know, we saw a lot of them, obviously

655
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: to ESPN, we showed them quite a bit. And nice

656
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: to see Learner Tien had a good win over cam

657
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: Nori and Ocapulco. Cam Norri's been struggling over the last

658
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: twelve months, but but it's nice to see. To me,

659
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great if Learner ten can get a

660
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: lot of matches under his belt before he comes into

661
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: the American tournaments, because I think he's going to have

662
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: a huge following because he is a lot of fun,

663
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: and he is young, and he is good.

664
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: His game is a little unorthodox. Everyone loves it. Lefty. Yeah,

665
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: like I am super here for the learner.

666
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Talent out the wazoo, as we say, like crazy.

667
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Learner Tan is to me somebody fun to watch.

668
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah.

669
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: Can we talk a little bit about Jeff Ononzeca. Yes,

670
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: we sent a team to Rio, Brazilian journalists cataloging it.

671
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: This has long been one of my would like to

672
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: go tournaments.

673
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't have never we know that you wanted Grand

674
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: Slam down there. Yes, I went to the Rio. Didn't

675
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: go to the Reo Olympics.

676
00:31:59,480 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: You didn't.

677
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: I've not been to Brazil.

678
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: You're right, I've not been. I think maybe we should

679
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: make a point to go. I've been hearing for years

680
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: that it's a real good time and everyone has a ball,

681
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: and it's obviously a fun time of year because it's

682
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: pre Carnival. But honestly, despite my professor love of South America,

683
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: it's been a little bit more focused on the Spanish

684
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: speaking countries, mainly because that's where I've traveled, and you know,

685
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: I love Argentina for historical reasons. Now Brazil has entered

686
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: the chat because now with jeoffon Seca winning the title

687
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: in Buenos Aires and entering I think what is now

688
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: certainly top one hundred. I think he's spranked sixty something.

689
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: He is the best man certainly to play for Brazil

690
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: since Gustavoquurton.

691
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: I loved Gugas so much, and any beautiful one handed backhand.

692
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: Could watch a Gustavo Quirtin match on clay in the

693
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: nineth without falling completely in love with him. I don't

694
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: know what your problem is. Get your eyes checked, because

695
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: that guy was pure heart o. His game was beautiful.

696
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: I love that you say, pure heart. Considering put a

697
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: hot on the.

698
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: French and famously on the court every time he won.

699
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Fun fact, I once shared a cigarette with him outside

700
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: of the white Horse tavern. He bumped his cigarette. Wow,

701
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: I know, he was so nice and I was like, uh.

702
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: Are you that when he was still playing.

703
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: Honestly, maybe it was like early two thousands. There's a

704
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: lot of time ago. But I, as along with everybody else,

705
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: loved this guy. And so when we were in talks

706
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: with some Brazilian journalists who are like, look, we got

707
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: to go this year. Not only is it absolute scene

708
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: every year and it's beautiful and it set him into

709
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: the mountains and there's water and blah blah blah, but

710
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: also this year obviously we have a guy. And then

711
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: he won the art we have a guy. So he

712
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: made his debut. He lost in the first round. It

713
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: was not super impressive as a showing.

714
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: It was not a surprise that he lost, but also not.

715
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: A super surprised guy just wins his first tour title.

716
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: Comes home to crowds that were scalping tickets for fifteen

717
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: times their value. You know, a five hundred dollars ticket

718
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: in Rio, I gather is not insignificant as a sum

719
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: of money, and we have all these pictures that these photographers,

720
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: so go check it out at top and rackaback dot com.

721
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: Like just crowds, kids on his parents' shoulders, people climbing

722
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: the fences, like just absolute scenes and you know, yeah,

723
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: we can talk about as a result. But to me

724
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: more excitingly is his tennis yep. And the fact that

725
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: Brazil has entered the chat.

726
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: I believe it or not, I believe that it was

727
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: a good thing that he lost early.

728
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: Keep expectations.

729
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: He can he said home, yeap, he can go home.

730
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: He can relax a little bit. He stayed on. He

731
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: watched the doubles, he watched the doubles. He was there

732
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: when the doubles guys won the doubles. Play my old

733
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: mixed doubles partner, Marcello Mellow. Mellow won the doubles there seven.

734
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean he's like seven feet tall and like forty

735
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: eight years of age. I mean the guy every time

736
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: I see him, when we walk by each other, Hey, partner,

737
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Hey partner, we call each other partner.

738
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: How you guys, ever lost a match between the two.

739
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, Okay, we made the semis of Wimbledon.

740
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: That was his first ever Grand Slam semi final, actually

741
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: it was the semi finals of Wimbledon with me. But

742
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: we had a lot of fun together. And the joke

743
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: of our team was that the two words that have

744
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: never been said together are mellow stubs, so it would

745
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: be game mellow stubs. And I would always say to Macello,

746
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: you know that's never been said to mellow stubs. Not

747
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: on the tennis court anyway, I can be off the

748
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: tennis court. But but we loved playing together because we

749
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: were so polar opposites. I was so you know, fired

750
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: up on the court, and he was literally the epitome

751
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: of his name. But I loved playing with him, and

752
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: he's the nicest guy. And to see that victory and

753
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: how emotional he got, and fon Seca is there watching

754
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: front row getting photos taken by every girl that could

755
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: possibly take a photo with him, and to see his

756
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: elation when he won that match, I was like, this

757
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: is a guy who's won Grand Slam doubles, so he was.

758
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: I think it might be the happy stip've ever.

759
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Seen him winning at home in front of a sold

760
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: out crowd, with especially the way he won it with

761
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: like a cross poach angel.

762
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Go and watch that point on find it on YouTube.

763
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: That is the epitome of the rupe and dopin on

764
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: a doubles court and letting them see whole court and

765
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: then taking off that was so perfectly That was a.

766
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: Great doubles point. Yeah, it's a great way to win it.

767
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: And you know they're they're at home. Anythink for for

768
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: those of us who uh don't necessarily have the experience

769
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: traveling to a place that you know hasn't enjoyed one

770
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: hundred years of tennis tradition. Although maybe that's wrong because

771
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: there have probably been courts and tournaments there, but sure,

772
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: Marie Brainos, I just should have mean like it hasn't

773
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: necessarily been in the spotlight of the tennis tour. And

774
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: I think just this idea that maybe Jiaophontica can kind

775
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: of revitalize. I mean, no, no discredit whatsoever to bear

776
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: hadaj Maaya, who won the Elite last year. Yeah, you know,

777
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: she's obviously a star war in the top twenty. But

778
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: I think just this idea that there's a young dude

779
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: who's got all the shots, who's beating the big players already,

780
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: Like there's just there's a palpablic statement and I think

781
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: the photos that we took really captured that, and I

782
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: would love to go there because I kind of want to.

783
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: You know, what's more fun than being at a place

784
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: that feels like the center of the universe, whether it's

785
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: Center cord to Wimbledon or a smaller court in real

786
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: with p and they've.

787
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: Laid down your line. Yeah, you're taking a group to

788
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: Brazil next year. People who are twenty twenty six to

789
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Caitlin on the old socials. He by the way, he's

790
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: gone to seventy eight in the world now, so let

791
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: me tell you, people will be real happy when he's

792
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: inside the top fifteen in the world for sure, or

793
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: top twenty twenty, so they don't have to play him

794
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: in the second or first round of a Grand Slant.

795
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean, he could play any of the top guys

796
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: in the first round of the French Open. Who wants

797
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: to play that freaking guy on clay not andlev hell no.

798
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was great to see him have this

799
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: success she had. You know, we talked about it with Petco.

800
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: I talked about it with Petco, But I think it

801
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: was a good thing that he lost because now he

802
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: can he understands now what it takes to back it

803
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: up as well, and it's not easy. And it's like

804
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about over the last couple of

805
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: weeks of what Sam STOs has said when she won

806
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: her first Grand Slams, She's like, I wish I'd taken

807
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: some time off, which Mattie Keys did, which I thought

808
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: was such a smart thing for her to do. Take

809
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: some time off and get herself prepared to win Indian wells.

810
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: And like Sam said, enjoy that just because she wins

811
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: something doesn't mean you're guaranteed of winning the next.

812
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: Also like for Maddie Keys, and I hope you guys

813
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: talk about this a little bit. If anybody deserves a

814
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: little bit of moment to relish, it's certainly her. And

815
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: coming back now that she has a framework that's like,

816
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: oh this, She's always had the.

817
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Tennis and now mentally I know what it takes, but.

818
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: Now mentally to be like, I know what it takes,

819
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: but also I know what headspace I need to be

820
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: in to be able to perform really well.

821
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Well inact tactfully. She knows how to win matches as well,

822
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: and I just think having you know, be on there,

823
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: just giving her a few just little tidbits here and

824
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: there just made such a difference. So yeah, I can't

825
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: wait to talk to her about it all. And I

826
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: hope everyone enjoys it once it comes out, but I'm

827
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: sure you will. Just a little thing. Novak Djokovic did

828
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: lose to Berrettini. Bertini did play the match of his life.

829
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he was hitting four hands all over the

830
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: place for winners. But still you gotta start asking the question,

831
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: what what Novak like physically? I know he's you know,

832
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: had his issues at this start of the this year

833
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: with in Australia with the leg. He didn't look great

834
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: leaving the Middle East. You know, he's struggling with injuries

835
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years now, with the knee,

836
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: with the leg, And I'm telling you, and it's what

837
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: pet Goo said a while ago. She's like, I don't

838
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: care who you are. And she said, also, yeah, but

839
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: we're not Novak Djokovic, you know, because a couple of

840
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: weeks later he was playing and doing well and she's like, yeah,

841
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: but we're not Novak Djokovic. But in actual factor, I

842
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: think she's more right than she realizes that. And I

843
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: know this, and we all know this. There's only once

844
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: you get to a certain age, you don't bounce back.

845
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: And yes, Novak has bounced back better than most, better

846
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: than probably anyone. Yeah, but this is starting to be

847
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of an issue now in not winning matches,

848
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: and then when you haven't played for a while and

849
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: then you come back and you're older, I don't care

850
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: how much you train and how good you look on

851
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: the practice court. When you go and play a match,

852
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: you're pushing yourself more. You're doing a little more, you're

853
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: more nervous, your body's more uptight, and he has just

854
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: he's struggling more and more and more. For sure.

855
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: I also think the and this I think really ended

856
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: up kind of hurting Serena at the very very end

857
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: of her career as well, which is not only do

858
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: you slow down and the bounce back is less, although

859
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: truly I cannot think of a person who's bounced back

860
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: better than Novak Jokovich historically, as you said, but I

861
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 2: also think part of what I think one Serena and

862
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: Novak a lot of matches was their ability to inspire

863
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: or rather not inspire belief in their opponents.

864
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Where now it's different.

865
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: You lose at least a few games before you get

866
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: on the court with Novak and Serena, because you know,

867
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: whatever you throw at them, you have to have the

868
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: day of your life to win. You feel like you

869
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: do on top of it, and you feel it and

870
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 2: and you you know, we've seen players who like maybe

871
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: realize that they're in a match, but way too late,

872
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: because Novak is already up or Serena is already up

873
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: a set in a break, and so, you know, I

874
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: think when you lose that air of invulnerability, which now

875
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: Novak has certainly lost because between this year and last year,

876
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, we saw him. I think he didn't win

877
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: a match in the spring of last year pretty much.

878
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he won one tournament last year, and in

879
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: one tournament it was the it was the only tournament

880
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: he really wanted to school, which was so great, right,

881
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: but he did not win a tournament Lasch right, And

882
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: outside of.

883
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: That, for somebody who is I think benefits from his

884
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: air of invincibility, It'll be really interesting to see how

885
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: other players. And we saw it in Bertini, who I

886
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: would classify as in the top three of QT for

887
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: sure and has one of the best four hands, but

888
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: not necessarily like somebody who I would sort of put

889
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: my life on the line to be like, this guy

890
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: has to win a match or I'm dead. It wouldn't

891
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: be Mateo or Bertini. But the fact that Barrettini kind

892
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: of took the fate to him and believed, I think

893
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: for me, that's a big problem for me.

894
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: I think I think Mateya is going to do really

895
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: well in India. Whiles I think it's a pretty decent

896
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: court for him. It's a bit slower. He can get

897
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: around his back end. He can hit the big four

898
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: hands through any speed. His server is huge on any court.

899
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: I think he's getting himself mentally back to playing better.

900
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, it was a great match against Draper. He

901
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: played one just bad point, just one bad point. He

902
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: missed one terrible volley that he should not have missed

903
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: to lose the second set, Like it was a volley

904
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: that he should never miss and he lost that point

905
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: and then Jack took the third set. It was like crazy,

906
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: But to me, that was a volley that he should

907
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: not have missed. It was a very simple forehand volley

908
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: into the net. I mean, but if there's a volley

909
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: that we all missed, it was the forehand it's always

910
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: a little bit harder. People will go why why is that?

911
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, but other than that, Caitlin, I'm excited

912
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Indian Wills is coming up.

913
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a great time. Should we talk a

914
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: little bit about some of the stuff we're going to

915
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: be doing. Sure, you're going to be their coaching.

916
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: I will be there with Ellen Perez doing a little coaching,

917
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, trying to help Ellen just get better on

918
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: a daily basis. I love want a tournament at Abu

919
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: Dhabi already, so that was good. Yeah, I was not there,

920
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: which was probably great but and maybe the reason but

921
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: hopefully she took a lot of the things that you know,

922
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: we worked on in Australia to the Middle East and

923
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I'm looking forward to getting back out there.

924
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: It's tennis paradise. We love it. I am pumped to

925
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: be out there again.

926
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, people ask me which

927
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: teraments are you gonna be out? Which teramans is racket

928
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: going to go to? And are you gonna be in Miami?

929
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: What's happening? I'll be in Miami and everybody seems to

930
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: want to go to Indian Wells. Yeah, it's it's Indian Wells.

931
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: I think has it's Indian Wales will Bust.

932
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: It's kind of Indian Wells Er Bust. So we'll be

933
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: doing a few things. We have a new issue to launch.

934
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna throw a big party this weekend in Los Angeles,

935
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 2: which will be really fun. We are having a charitable

936
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 2: component where all of the proceeds to a incredibly cool

937
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: auction go to La wildfire relief. That's great, which is

938
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: awesome and great and actually just truly thanks to like

939
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 2: some of our partners, like the Four Seasons and other folks.

940
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: Amazing things well there. I should have found this out

941
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: before we did the pod. But how many do we lose?

942
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: Any tennis facilities in those areas?

943
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: Do you know? Palisades Tennis Center is completely in flame,

944
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: went completely up in Fames. I've played there before. It's

945
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: a really nice, beautiful club facility, which is great. You

946
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: won't always want to support public courts in La has

947
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: a kind of them, and obviously a lot of the

948
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: private homes with courts were sort of decimated. Some of

949
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: them made it out.

950
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, our thoughts, I mean, we we're talking about it,

951
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: but our thoughts really go out to everybody out there,

952
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: because we know that we probably have some listeners that

953
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: live in those areas that love tennis. California is such

954
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: a tennis heaven. It has been always through the years.

955
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of la people go out to the

956
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: Indian Wells or San Diego go out to Indian Wells tournament.

957
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's great that you're doing that.

958
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, I mean, the main goal for us is

959
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: as sad as it is that tennis courts get ruined.

960
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: It's really sad when people lose their homes. So one

961
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: of the things that we're raising money for is to

962
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: help that. And then we'll be out doing a the

963
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: VIP event that I cannot discuss, a free to the public,

964
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: cool happy hour at the Drift Hotel a week from Thursday.

965
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: And then we are culminating it and you're hearing it

966
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: here first with a incredibly cool music, viewing surfing and

967
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 2: watching tennis in a lazy river party at the Palm

968
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: Spring Surf Club that will be on Saturday, March eighth.

969
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: I will bring my surf.

970
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: I would love to see you hang ten.

971
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I haven't surfed in a long time.

972
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: I bet you're agreeted it.

973
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: But I will do it. I will try it.

974
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: I will be in the Lazy River.

975
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: You'll be in the Lazy River anyway, I'll be in Golifornia.

976
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 2: I think all of these players enjoy playing a variety

977
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: of these tournaments. It's nice for them to go home,

978
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: especially in this sort of stretch where the tournaments are

979
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of everywhere. There's a little bit in

980
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 2: the Middle East, there's one or two in Europe, there's

981
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: a ton in South America. You know, everybody's kind of

982
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: scattered all over the place. And then we'll see them

983
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: all certain next week.

984
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: You will see me in southern California. Guys, if you

985
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: see us in southern California, come say hi.

986
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: I think we will be doing a live podcast on Saturday,

987
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: March eight.

988
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh and we will be doing a live podcast on

989
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Saturday March eight, Saturday March eighth.

990
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: So if you're on the ground grounds, coming find us,

991
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Come find us.

992
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: We'll set up a tent. And also, as I said,

993
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: look forward to a great interview with the now Grand

994
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: Slam Top ten Americans. The first time that they've had

995
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: three I think it's four, five, and six in the

996
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: top ten of the WTA since back in the day

997
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: since Lindsey Serena and Jenny Capriati. Can you believe that?

998
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: Like that for American tennis, I love it. Yeah, and

999
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: all led by of course Cocoa Goth at three, Jess

1000
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: at four, and Madison Keys at five.

1001
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Wow, boom boom boom.

1002
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Emmaavarro is in the top ten still at ten,

1003
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: so there's four Americans inside the top ten and just incredible. Really,

1004
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: Emma's been struggling over the last couple of weeks, so

1005
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: hopefully she can sort of learn to win in two

1006
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: sets that would help. And I think she'll play okay

1007
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: in Indian Wells. It's a good court for her, so

1008
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. All right, guys, thank you

1009
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: so much, Thank you for listening. Great thing about tennis

1010
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: is you go to show up every single week and

1011
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: these players learn that real quick when they've had a

1012
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: great year of the year before Jasmine Paulini another one

1013
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: has been struggling a little bit, so we'll see.

1014
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: There's always time for redemption. There is.

1015
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: But hey, that's why you're that's why we're here to

1016
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: bring them all back down to earth. All right, guys,

1017
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: thanks for listening this week. And we'll see you next week.

1018
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: By bye.