WEBVTT - Funny Money

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<v Speaker 1>I almost said darkweb dot Com, and then I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet that's not it. Gamsy media argh.

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<v Speaker 2>Rory pop quiz yep, who's on the five dollar bill?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do I think it's Abraham Lincoln? Is it Abrahamlinks? OKAYRD.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's excusable to not know this now because

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<v Speaker 1>we've moved so far away from.

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<v Speaker 2>Cash, although you and I think are ol enough to

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to use that as an excuse.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I was trying to thank you, Josh, just

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<v Speaker 1>in case there are more questions.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not off the hook yet. Who's on the hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>Washington's on the one and the hundred? Is Franklin? Correct? Boom?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's only because of people using the slaying

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<v Speaker 1>of Benjamin's third and hardest, the two dollars bill, Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson Correct, you're three for three.

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<v Speaker 2>Your attention to detail me obviously that you're old first,

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<v Speaker 2>because no one under twenty five could answer this question

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<v Speaker 2>a shit. It also puts you way ahead of some

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<v Speaker 2>of the criminals. On this week's episode, we delve into

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<v Speaker 2>some of the wildest stories about funny money counterfeiting crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>So grab your highest resolution scanner, your finest color printer,

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<v Speaker 2>your linen and cotton paper, your tiny colorful security strips,

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<v Speaker 2>and your best renderings of America's presidents. Because it's time

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<v Speaker 2>to do illegal art projects. Yeah, I love that. Coming

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<v Speaker 2>up on Crime List, how not to Counterfeit US currency. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcome to Crime List, a weekly celebration of the

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<v Speaker 2>amazing creativity of the world's dumbest criminals. I am Josh Dee.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Rory's Skofel.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I already gave you a pop quiz, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>feeling a little academic today, so I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a history lesson. Okay, do you know which government

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<v Speaker 2>agency handles counterfeiting crimes?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the FBI or the IRS? It's the Secret

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<v Speaker 1>SERVI So that's what I was about to guess. I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing that for the listeners because I was guessing

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<v Speaker 1>what they would probably, but I knew it was the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service because obviously, and.

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<v Speaker 2>An even harder I thought you might get down right,

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<v Speaker 2>here's even harder ones. You know which president created the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Pick one, famous one? No Lincoln? Oh, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta say that's way further back than I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln signed legislation on April fourteenth, eighteen sixty five, establishing

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service. Their main job then was focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>post Civil War counterfeiting, so stopping counterfeiting was their original job.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until nineteen oh one that Secret Service agents

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<v Speaker 2>added presidential protection to their job duties, which is ironic

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<v Speaker 2>because do you know what also happened on April fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>Five, is this No Linking was assassinated? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sad irony that the man who created the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service to counter counterfeiting, Yeah, was assassinated, probably in

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<v Speaker 2>partly to the job becoming presidential protection whatever twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's you know, you would think the Secret

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<v Speaker 1>Service would have been there the night that he was killed,

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<v Speaker 1>given the fact that they are after counterfeiting. And this

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<v Speaker 1>was the production about people pretending to be other people

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<v Speaker 1>at a theater and they weren't there. Did that Was

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<v Speaker 1>that joke too wordy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You lost me on the way, you lost me on

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<v Speaker 1>the way to Lincoln getting shot at the theater. I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to say counterfeit people counterfeiting themselves as other people.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was a reference to the actual play he

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<v Speaker 2>was watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember what that was. I don't either,

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<v Speaker 1>And also no one that night knows how it ended.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair So, by the end of the Civil War, nearly

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<v Speaker 2>one third of the currency in circulation was counterfeit. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>today the statistic is less than one percent, So great job,

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<v Speaker 2>secret service. Yeah, but that less than one percent is

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<v Speaker 2>still a lot of cash, according to the Department of Treasury,

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<v Speaker 2>and estimated seventy to two hundred million in counterfeit bills

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<v Speaker 2>are in circulation at any given time. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>are considering a lucrative career in counterfeiting, maybe don't. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a felony, and a serious one under federal law. You

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<v Speaker 2>face up to twenty years in prison in very large

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<v Speaker 2>finds in the ballpark of a quarter million dollars. But

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, of the felonies you could commit, it

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<v Speaker 2>does feel a little on brand for crime lists.

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<v Speaker 1>No one gets hurt. There's arts and crafts involved, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's one of our big tenants is arts and crafts, crafts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a robin Hood situation, except you're not

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<v Speaker 2>stealing from the rich. You're just slightly destabilizing the economy,

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<v Speaker 2>which let's be honest. These days feels like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>for the public good. Maybe yeah. In my research for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, I've come across three categories of counterfeitters, and

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<v Speaker 2>I made up the classification system. First, professionals who take

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<v Speaker 2>pride and joy in their craft. They've got all the

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<v Speaker 2>equipment and materials. They probably keep a tidy workspace and

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<v Speaker 2>use code names. Then there's opportunists. These are crooks who

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<v Speaker 2>don't make it themselves. They source it elsewhere from larger

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<v Speaker 2>operations or purchase on the black market. I'm guessing there's

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<v Speaker 2>serious counterfeiting on the dark web. I still don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to get to the dark web, do you?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, I don't know. I don't know. As you

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<v Speaker 1>asked that, I almost said darkweb dot com and then

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, I bet that's not it. What if it

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<v Speaker 1>was that symbol? Wait? Have you tried typing in dark

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<v Speaker 1>web dot com? Have you gone the most likely route?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a future episode will teach the world how to

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<v Speaker 2>get on the dark web, and then we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first time I've actually considered that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to access the dark web. It's never

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<v Speaker 1>been a destination I'm seeking out. But for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I think subconsciously I thought we all could just go

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<v Speaker 1>to it, type it into Google. Truly, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>actually did. I never thought the steps of how you

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<v Speaker 1>access it till you asked that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think we're going to have to do a

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<v Speaker 2>future episode on where we figure out how to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Dark web and teach people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's teach America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, how to go in the dark Web.

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<v Speaker 2>So a final category is delusional, those who lack the

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<v Speaker 2>skill and knowledge and talent but make up for it

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<v Speaker 2>in gumption. We'll get into examples of each, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want to start with the last one, which is obviously

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite. The delusional.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean gumption.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, So here's an example. In two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named James Ryan in Memphis paid for his

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<v Speaker 2>meal at waffle house with one hundred dollars bill the way.

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<v Speaker 2>He just knew immediately something was off because instead of

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<v Speaker 2>the portly visit of Ben Franklin, it was the star

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<v Speaker 2>of the five ab link and staring back at her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my man didn't even do the most basic homework. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he put the wrong president on the bill. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>not alone because we have Michael Fuller a fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>year old in Lexington, North Carolina, who went on a

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<v Speaker 2>Walmart shopping spree in twenty eleven. He picked up a microwave,

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<v Speaker 2>a vacuum cleaner, and some other household items, totaling four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty seven dollars. To pay for that, he

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<v Speaker 2>whipped out a one million dollar bill. Okay, how did

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<v Speaker 2>the clerk note that that was fake?

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<v Speaker 1>Also? I love thinking you're gonna get change on a

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<v Speaker 1>one million dollar bill. I love that in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, this doesn't exist. But also go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and give me nine hundred thousand. I know he could

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<v Speaker 1>have maybe started with a thousand. He honestly could have

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<v Speaker 1>started with like a couple fake hundreds. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>you said was a microwave, a vacuum and something not

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<v Speaker 1>like at four hundred bucks, you could have easily gone

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<v Speaker 1>in with five hundred counterfeit hundreds. Ye Benjamins as you

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<v Speaker 1>and I know them as we.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to call them. Yeah, because the highest bill in

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<v Speaker 2>circulation is the one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I bet they still check it. But your

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood of getting away with it, I mean clearly is

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<v Speaker 1>it's one hundred percent over a million dollars I.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel like you maybe can get away with it with

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand, Like there might be some clerky maybe like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you've never seen one of these before.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very rare, right right, right right?

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<v Speaker 2>But like a one million, Come on, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>A million is so the type of bill that comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of one of those vending machines where they give

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<v Speaker 1>you fake money in an egg, yes, and or a

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<v Speaker 1>ring or some gum the flintstones. Remember we used to

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<v Speaker 1>be the flintstones like vending machine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably where it came from. He was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I got an idea.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I gotta go back in there and buy

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>My personal favorite in this category is a woman named

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<v Speaker 2>Pamela Downs. She was arrested in twenty fifteen for paying

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<v Speaker 2>with five dollars counterfeit bills at a grocery store in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>Her fakes were pretty easy to spot because they were

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<v Speaker 2>printed in black and white on copy paper, not even

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<v Speaker 2>double sided, just glued together, which exemplifies a real fucking

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<v Speaker 2>attitude about life and or assumes that cashiers are really

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<v Speaker 2>checked out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, is there any chance they take that

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<v Speaker 1>as a joke? And there's no penalty because I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to try that. It's a bit. I'm doing a bit, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly it's black and white tape to get glued to

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<v Speaker 1>glued glued together, there's a texture.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to say, try harder, Pamela. But also

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<v Speaker 2>I live in America, so maybe would work somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So when police searched your bag, they found a one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars bill printed the same way, although in that

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<v Speaker 2>case one side was upside down, and a receipt for

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<v Speaker 2>printer and copy paper. According to the Kingsport Times News,

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<v Speaker 2>she told police that a new law had been passed

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<v Speaker 2>by Obama permitting her to print her own money because

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<v Speaker 2>she was on a fixed income. Yeah, which, if she

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<v Speaker 2>came up with that on the spot, not terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, yes, and you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing improv here. Your back's against the wall. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do something.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been a way crazier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, if you're the cop and you're in

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<v Speaker 1>the interrogation room, aren't you so? Like, why didn't you

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<v Speaker 1>do better at this? Like I actually am kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cheering for you. You're clearly the underdog here. What made

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<v Speaker 1>you think this would suffice, and then if she threw

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<v Speaker 1>out the Obama thing, I think I would look around

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<v Speaker 1>to the other people in the room. I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can't argue that. I can't argue that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an incredible excuse, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you not have a green crayon?

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<v Speaker 1>Could you have not got the colors right? The gu

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<v Speaker 1>did the texture feel off to you?

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<v Speaker 2>So at her apartment they found counterfeit bills totaling between

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and fifty thousand dollars, plus paper, scissors, glue, and

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<v Speaker 2>a printer.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's made a lot so much work to get

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<v Speaker 1>it that wrong. She thought she was running like an operation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that is so oh man, that's confidence. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a confidence I'll never be able to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Your friend comes over, like, what are you up to? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>You want in? You want in? You have to sign

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<v Speaker 1>this contract that's I also just scribbled with crayon and

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<v Speaker 1>is not legally binding in any way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Pamela. So the second category is opportunists. The opportunist

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<v Speaker 2>knows how to leave the printing to the professionals. They

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<v Speaker 2>buy their funny money on the black market, or they

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<v Speaker 2>get it from a different very legal market Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever had your hands on prop money from

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<v Speaker 2>a movie or TV show? Yes, it looks pretty convincing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told it's somewhat convincing. But I gotta say when

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<v Speaker 2>you are holding it, you can tell. The moment you

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<v Speaker 2>touch it, you're like, oh, yeah, right. It looks good

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<v Speaker 2>on camera and apparently if you look closely, it also

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<v Speaker 2>has things like for motion picture use only or in copy.

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<v Speaker 2>We trust them, That's what we have read. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service doesn't have official guidelines for prop money. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes the production process kind of murky. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 2>often means government officials might show up on sets during filming.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, in two thousand, Independent Studio Services, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest prop houses in how was hired to make

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<v Speaker 2>all the fake money for Rush Hour two. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember the plot of Rush Hour two? No, it's Hong

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<v Speaker 2>Kong police inspector played by Jackie Chan and his LAPD detective.

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<v Speaker 1>Pal Chris Chris Tucker. Yep, his name is James Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>They go to Hong Kong on vacation, only to be

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<v Speaker 2>thwarted by a murder case involving two US Customs agents.

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<v Speaker 2>After a bombing at the US Embassy. Yes, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>there's a new rush Hour coming that this is not

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<v Speaker 2>even a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump gave Trump's favorite Brett Rattner, Brett Rattner, who happened

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<v Speaker 1>to make the Milania documentary. So then Trump went to

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<v Speaker 1>bat to say, we need more Rush Hour movies. You

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<v Speaker 1>can really connect the dots easily if you know the

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<v Speaker 1>names involve. But Brett Rattner was like, yeah, I need

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<v Speaker 1>I want Rush Hour four to happen, So help me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, since you're doing a documentary about my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>him and all of us, we've been clamoring for rush

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<v Speaker 1>Hour four. We've all been waiting, salivating.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rush Hour two needed a whopping one billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in hundreds. Do you know how many hundreds that is?

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<v Speaker 2>Could you do the math quickly? No, I can't ten million,

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<v Speaker 2>ten millions. Gonna say ten million for all the listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>You think I'm an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>You know my character in the movie Babylon, My big

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<v Speaker 1>plot line was that I was using fake movie prop money. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>in a real exchange with Toby McGuire's character.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have to cut that in. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>cut a clip in, cut a clip in money.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a guy makes it by the kilo. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a big deal. What the guy Tony the prop

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<v Speaker 1>guy broke Chris money. No, it's the money that he makes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from your bank. Heist picture. It's movie money. That's

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<v Speaker 1>me and Diego Man. He plays Manny and like Toby

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<v Speaker 1>McGuire's character is, you know, so terrifying. Ethan Suppley's in

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<v Speaker 1>that scene ready to kill both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>So it really this is the money that you've handled.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the money that I've handled, and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>part of this what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So how stuff works interviewed the CEO of the prop

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<v Speaker 2>company about this order. It was fourteen palate loads.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeez.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to buy the paper to make a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>cost seventy seven thousand dollars. Yeah, and that didn't include printing, labor, everything,

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<v Speaker 2>So just the paper seventy seven grande. The producers of

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<v Speaker 2>Rush Hour, Too were able to bring in a secret

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<v Speaker 2>service agent to approve the film's climactic stunt, blowing up

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<v Speaker 2>a billion dollars in cash and having it rained down

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<v Speaker 2>on the Las Vegas strip. Yeah, but halfway through production,

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<v Speaker 2>the agent told producers they needed to stop filming. The

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<v Speaker 2>money printed by the company was too realistic. Oh, but

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<v Speaker 2>producers ignored the request and neglected to tell their boss,

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<v Speaker 2>So we filmed the scene, says Bilson, who is the

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of the prop company. Extras grabbed handfuls of cash

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<v Speaker 2>to keep a souvenirs. Then those bills started turning up

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<v Speaker 2>in different places.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, when the properbal shit hit the fan, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>got a cease and assist order. He ultimately had to

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<v Speaker 2>turn over or destroy all remaining copies of the prop money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The FEDS eventually recovered nineteen fake bills passed at cash

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<v Speaker 2>registers in Vegas in LA and more than one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighty million stashed as souvenirs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Interesting how they were able to get the souvenir ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I guess they just people are honest. I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose they're like, okay, who took money, Like okay I did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if it's the Secret Service, you're like all right, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess you're like, I'm not going to go to jail

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<v Speaker 1>for fake Yeah, Like, what's the point I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>to jail. I better have some real money.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the last time that prop company did fake money.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, yep, so this is nowhere near the

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<v Speaker 2>only time prop money has made it into circulation from Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many stories of people getting fooled by this, restaurants, bars,

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<v Speaker 2>box stores, Facebook, marketplace sellers, some all unknowingly accepted prop

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<v Speaker 2>money as payment, like last year in twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>two men used movie money to buy two roll exes

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<v Speaker 2>plus two gold and diamond chains, totally one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty grand of jewelry from a store in Boston. Damn

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<v Speaker 2>it took two days for someone to notice after they

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<v Speaker 2>ran the bills through a money counter. Detectives pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>that the bills said improp we trust on them, yeap,

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<v Speaker 2>but they probably looked realistic.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise, Yeah, it didn't catch your eye. That's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, by the way, and this is what makes this

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<v Speaker 2>story especially crimeles. The suspect showed off jewelry identical to

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<v Speaker 2>what was taken on social media, with one tagging the

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<v Speaker 2>other and writing we made history, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe if we look back at our Philly co

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<v Speaker 2>thieves story, we will recall that maybe when you're stealing things,

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<v Speaker 2>you should not talk about them. Yeah, text threads and

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<v Speaker 2>social media.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the lesson we learned.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, these guys also have learned that now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you will not be shocked to hear that the

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<v Speaker 2>police in Boston were able to track them down and

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<v Speaker 2>arrest them.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, I won't be shocked by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Blindly accepting one hundred and sixty grand in cash is

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. I'm not so sure that I would catch

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<v Speaker 2>a counterfeit bill though. I also rarely ever use cash,

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<v Speaker 2>as you pointed out earlier, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're not studying it. You can have cash

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<v Speaker 1>on you right now. That's counterfeit with also prop instead

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<v Speaker 1>of God on the bill and you wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how are we gonna expect like the gen Z

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<v Speaker 2>cashiers of tomorrow to build and tell?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Actually, Newsweek did an article called gen Z cashiers

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<v Speaker 2>can't recognize real cash. I think their counterfeit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was one story about two teen workers at

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<v Speaker 2>yogurt shop in Florida scrawling fake do not accept on

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<v Speaker 2>real but pre nineteen ninety nine five and ten dollars bills. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the teams slightly older twenty two year old assistant manager

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<v Speaker 2>had to eplain to them that back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>bills looked a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I love having to explain that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, sadly, someday, when we're all paying for things

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<v Speaker 2>in crypto, we're gonna miscounterfeit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. And then so I mean that's the irony

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Now it's all digital, It's like, well, now,

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<v Speaker 1>is it just a number you put into a computer? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's even real in any capacity?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the fake credit cards and yeah, yes, like

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<v Speaker 2>bank code.

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<v Speaker 1>Scams on your emails or text messages you get where

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<v Speaker 1>someone wants to know your social.

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<v Speaker 2>Someday this episode will be a quaint artifact of a

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<v Speaker 2>time where you're like, oh, you used paper what?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these guys talking about paper money.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break, we're going to really make it rain. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh with fake money.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you never talked like that, but okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to crime Lists. Finally, our last

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<v Speaker 2>and longest story is about the professionals. Okay, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The printer is of extremely high quality fake money or

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<v Speaker 2>harder to catch because they are so good at their jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Their artists.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these are the guys the secret Service is most.

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<v Speaker 2>Concerned with boiling. Since the late eighties, the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 2>has been tracking the distribution of the quote super dollar,

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<v Speaker 2>a very high quality counterfeit one hundred allegedly made by

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<v Speaker 2>unknown organizations or governments. Suspected origins of the super dollar

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<v Speaker 2>are North Korea, Iran, or maybe even the CIA itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The calls coming from inside the hell. I almost said

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<v Speaker 1>that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have done it in stereo. But that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>professional counterfeiter I'm going to tell you about today. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to go back to nineteen thirty eight. Would

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service agents encountered a professional counterfeiter who would elude

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<v Speaker 2>them for a decade. They dubbed him mister eight eighty

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<v Speaker 2>after the name of the case file started when his

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<v Speaker 2>first fake was discovered. But here's the weird thing. Unlike

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<v Speaker 2>other professionals, he actually wasn't very good at this, nor

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<v Speaker 2>was he very talented at reproducing anything. He was actually

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<v Speaker 2>very bad at it. In fact, over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>his career he got worse at reproducing buddy. But somehow

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<v Speaker 2>the Feds still couldn't catch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>During the ten years they looked for Old eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>they arrested and convicted one three hundred and eighty five

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<v Speaker 2>people on counterfeiting charges and seized over three point four

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<v Speaker 2>million in counterfeit money before it got into circulation. So

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<v Speaker 2>who was this guy and how did he get away

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<v Speaker 2>with it for so long? Don't worry. That's rhetorical question.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't expect you to have an answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine if I just knew it, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite theft in history, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would have been great. One of these days that'll happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It will, it will line up. That was Kevin, that's keV,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kep train.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen forty eight, The New Yorker published a three

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<v Speaker 2>part series about mister eight eighty, which is where most

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<v Speaker 2>of this information is being sourced from. Here's what we know.

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<v Speaker 2>Emeric Jutner born in eighteen seventy six in Austria. At fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>he boards the ship to the US to pursue the

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<v Speaker 2>American dream, that dream to live in a basement apartment

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, we all, we don't have all the biggest dreams

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. Sometimes it's an apartment, basement apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>I have literally lived that dream.

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't my first, My second New York City

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<v Speaker 2>apartment was a basement, so me and Emerck totally relatable.

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<v Speaker 2>He first found work as a picture frame guilder, adding

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<v Speaker 2>gold to frames.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>He also dabbled as an inventor, creating his own camera,

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<v Speaker 2>but Kodak didn't buy the patent. Later in life, he

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<v Speaker 2>developed his own Venetian blind that he also couldn't sell.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm now wondering what twist you could possibly put

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<v Speaker 2>on the Venetian blind, Like, is it a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>added concept already?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Does it feel like it's kind of where it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, mind twist the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like Australia with flushing a toilet, turn.

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<v Speaker 2>It in, they go backwards. Yeah, Actually, Vidashian blinds go

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<v Speaker 2>both ways already, exactly. They're very fluid. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen oh two, he marries a woman named Florence

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<v Speaker 2>Lemaine and they have two kids. To support his growing family,

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<v Speaker 2>he starts working as a maintenance man and a superintendent,

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<v Speaker 2>allowing him to live rent free in the basement of

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<v Speaker 2>a building on the Upper East Side. So for many

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<v Speaker 2>years he lives a normal and uneventtal life. Then in

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven, his wife unexpectedly passes away, and by that

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<v Speaker 2>time his two children had also grown up and left

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<v Speaker 2>the nest. Yeah, so at sixty one, he's a widower.

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<v Speaker 2>He's home alone. He doesn't know what to do with himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He's feeling like he's too old to be a super

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<v Speaker 2>so he quits that job, moves out of the basement,

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<v Speaker 2>finds a small flat for himself and his dog, described

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<v Speaker 2>in the story as a quote undemanding mongrel terrier. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems a little mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. I don't know why undemanding has to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the breed type.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, an undemanding mongrel terrier that, according to The

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<v Speaker 2>New Yorker, had no name. When asked why, he said this,

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<v Speaker 2>What good would a name do the dog? When I

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him? He knows I'm talking to him, don't he?

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<v Speaker 2>And I know who he is without calling him by

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<v Speaker 2>some made up name, don't I?

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<v Speaker 1>But what does he refer to the dog to call

0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.720
<v Speaker 1>for the dog? I mean, by his logic, none of

0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:48.679
<v Speaker 1>us would need names. Hey, I guess yo, Yeah, hey dog?

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean is it's a terrible logic. It's sort of like, yeah,

0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:54.040
<v Speaker 2>the dog doesn't care that you're calling it like he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know yours, doesn't know his name is Charlie exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>He just hears your voice, right, that's right. Anyway to

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<v Speaker 2>make ends meet for himself, he becomes a junk collector.

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 2>You push a little card all over the neighborhood, picking

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<v Speaker 2>up discarded items to resell later. But that doesn't pay

0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the bills either, you know, it does pay the bills

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 2>cold hard cash, And so Emeric decides, hey, I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>make some He already had experience with cameras and he

0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:17.879
<v Speaker 2>could fix anything he put his mind to. So he

0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 2>sets up a print shop in his kitchen. Here's how

0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:21.640
<v Speaker 2>he does it. He takes a picture of a real

0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.159
<v Speaker 2>one dollar bill, transfers those images to a pair of

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.480
<v Speaker 2>zinc plates. So this is like I would not know

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<v Speaker 2>how to do that personally, right. He then peyton stakingly

0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.199
<v Speaker 2>filled in all the small details by hand. So he

0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.960
<v Speaker 2>like makes etches a little plate. Using a hand powered

0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.000
<v Speaker 2>printer and cheap paper found at the stationary store, he

0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:38.359
<v Speaker 2>prints a bill. The serial numbers are blurry and crooked,

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<v Speaker 2>and George Washington looks nothing like the actual president.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, he spelled Washington his name wrong. Wa hs i

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<v Speaker 1>n GTM. Hey, little mistakes, what are you gonna do? Backtrack?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, I mean, if you're going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the effort of etching a zinc plate though, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you would.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you never had to do that, Josh, you have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what kind of a time commitment that is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth prison. It's actually worth prison than going back

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<v Speaker 1>and doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And he probably takes long enough that he's finished and

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 2>he's like, whatever, fuck me, right, well, this deal, let

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<v Speaker 2>us live with it. He promptly spent that first fake

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 2>bill at a cigar shop, but the very next day

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service received this bill. They initially thought someone

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.479
<v Speaker 2>was pranking them because it was that bad. Well, clearly

0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the joke's on them, because for the next ten years,

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Emrick would make seven thousand dollars worth of fake one

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<v Speaker 2>dollar bills, which is the equivalent in purchasing power today

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<v Speaker 2>to about one hundred and thirty one grand. But he

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<v Speaker 2>only makes one dollar bills, which he uses very sparingly.

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<v Speaker 2>He sticks to spending money locally subway stations, dime stores,

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<v Speaker 2>and taverns, and he never hits the same place twice.

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<v Speaker 2>This is extremely low stakes crime. If his spending habits

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<v Speaker 2>are different. Say, if he drops five hundred and one

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood or makes an abnormally large purchase, the Secret Service

0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 2>would have found him easily. But this was mostly limited

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<v Speaker 2>to Manhattan, although a few did make it across the

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 2>country Seattle, Denver, Atlanta, Richmond. The Secret Service dismissed the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that the purpose traveling. How could he afford to

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 2>travel on such a tight budget. Yeah, they try everything

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<v Speaker 2>to catch him. They set up traps at ten thousand stores.

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<v Speaker 1>And oh my god, how many employees. H this is you? Everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>get everybody, every department.

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<v Speaker 2>They distributed two hundred thousand flyers warning of the counterfeit bills.

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 2>They ran PSAs on radio stations, alerting millions of listeners

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<v Speaker 2>to keep an eye out. Mind you, he's only done

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 2>seven thousand one dollar bills at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, Okay, none of it works. Wait, none of them worked. Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are they going so like crazy with the resources here?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe they're embarrassed, Like the guy didn't even

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.240
<v Speaker 2>spell Washington right like this, This is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like, oh, let him try to spend it

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<v Speaker 1>like no one. Well, but it worked, I guess in

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 1>the fear that you get it right. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>So here's how he did get caught. Finally, a fire

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 1>broke out in his apartment building and firefighters were trudging

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.480
<v Speaker 1>through his apartment trying to put it out right, but

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.920
<v Speaker 1>it was cluttered and they needed to clear a path through.

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<v Speaker 2>And doing so, they threw boxes of junk out onto

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<v Speaker 2>the street. So, no, it's not what you think. The

0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 2>firefighters didn't find the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks later, a group of nine middle school

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<v Speaker 2>boys are rooting around in an alley and discovered the

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<v Speaker 2>discarded boxes, a few zinc plates and thirty one dollar bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the kids knew it was fake, they pocketed it anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>and they used it to prank their other friends with stage. Fine.

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When one of the boy's father's discovered this, he larnt

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities. The Secret Service scrambled to gather all the

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 2>information they could, tracking the boys down at their homes

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and local playgrounds. When the friends come clean, he couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite remember which one of them had the zinc plates,

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<v Speaker 2>because it turns out the kids had made a series

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<v Speaker 2>of trades. This just gets deeper and deeper.

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<v Speaker 1>All for Dunk a Us and Little debies. Someone traded

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<v Speaker 1>to use Catcher's mitt.

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, use Ketcher's mitt. So the trader to use Ketcher's

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<v Speaker 2>mimit for the plates, then went on to trade those

0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 2>plates to a different kid for a Japanese bayonet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I mean I was about to say,

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:52.880
<v Speaker 1>where do you even get that? But it's like, yeah,

0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>of course you've got yeah, a jeer fucking yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually they find it with a ten year old kid

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<v Speaker 2>named John Canning, and the zinc plates confirmed it was

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.160
<v Speaker 2>mister eight eighty's work. The Secret Service finally had their man.

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>When they show up at his door, they were shocked

0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to find a cheery, seventy three year old with a

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<v Speaker 2>quote shiny bald dome, a fringe of snowy hair over

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<v Speaker 2>his ears, a wispy white mustache, and hardly any teeth.

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Emeric seemed unconcerned that he'd been caught. He freely admitted

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 2>his crimes. According to The New Yorker, this is how

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<v Speaker 2>the questioning went, how long have you been making these bills? Oh,

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:25.800
<v Speaker 2>nine or ten years? A long time? You admit it.

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Of course I admit it. There were only one dollar bills.

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<v Speaker 2>I never gave more than one of them. To any

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<v Speaker 2>one person. So nobody ever lost more than one dollar. Interesting,

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.360
<v Speaker 2>So each theft was tiny and he never went back

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<v Speaker 2>to the same store twice.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it shows that he did have a brain

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<v Speaker 1>and a heart about the matter to a degetally, because

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>he knew that he was also ripping off his fellow citizens.

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like Robin Hood to be exact. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really taking anything away from the rich.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was kind of a concern for like, here's

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<v Speaker 2>how I justified I only stole a dollar from anybody. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>any one person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I actually kind of get behind that. I like it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So secret service agent searched his apartment and found the

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<v Speaker 2>printing press photo negatives in a drawer of one dollar

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 2>bills that did not pass his very low standards. Can

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<v Speaker 2>only imagine what was on.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't imagine what those look like. It's Washington with

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<v Speaker 1>a V.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting. He was arrested in charge with possession of counterfeit plates,

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the passage of bills, and manufacturing of said bills. He

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.440
<v Speaker 2>could have spent thirty years in jail. Instead, the judge

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.880
<v Speaker 2>gave him a reduced sentence of one year and one day,

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<v Speaker 2>a duration that allowed for prolof for four months, and

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>he faced a poetic fine of one dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly think that's the right call. I hope he

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>paid for with a fake and they were like, well,

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:38.360
<v Speaker 1>now we gotta charge you again, going back, God damn it.

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<v Speaker 2>After the trial, the New Yorker published this series, and

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>the popularity of the story led to a film called

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<v Speaker 2>Mister eight eighty, which stars Burt Lancaster, Dorothy Maguire, and

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Edmund Gwen in the role of a lifetime nice. Gwen

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 2>is an Englishman best known for playing Chris Kringle and

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<v Speaker 2>Miracle on thirty fourth Street.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there you go.

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 2>You want a Golden globe for his performance in this

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 2>film and was not for an oscar what years the

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 2>film arrest was Oh man, now you're gonna make me go.

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<v Speaker 1>Back and you have to do marm research.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember? This is nineteen thirty forty eight, so

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>he's arrested in forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but when did the movie come out?

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 3>The movie came out nineteen fifty Oh.

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Got two years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cool. It's funny because I feel like this is

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>our catch me if you can type thing.

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a great coda too, because by optioning his

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>life rights. He ends up making more money than he

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 2>ever did as a counterfeitter. He lived for the rest

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 2>of his life comfortably, with plenty of real dollar bills

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 2>to my cigars. He died in nineteen fifty five at

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the age of seventy nine.

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>But had to be a counterfeitter in order to get there.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>It's true, you know, life's little paths.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, Yeah, if you asked him at the end, was

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 2>it worth it, I'm sure he would have said yes, right, I.

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Mean he didn't even if they never made a movie

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.359
<v Speaker 1>and he got rich, I think he'd still go ass fine.

0:27:50.480 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Four months in prison was kind of fun. I met

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.680
<v Speaker 1>some guys, We hung out, lifelong buddies.

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 2>It's not an actually unfamiliar scenario to imagine, Like your

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 2>spouse is awa unexpectedly, your kids are growning out of

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the house, and suddenly you're like, what am I going

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>to do with the rest of my life?

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:06.800
<v Speaker 1>He's like, yeah, okay, yeah, I got an idea.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, amazing. So it's a true Hollywood happy ending. The

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Secret Service finally caught their man, mister A and eighty

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 2>retired in style, and a little boy traded some trash

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>for abandon it. Yeah, everyone wins.

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>It literally zero losers. Uh.

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I love that story. It's it's I mean, how could

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you not root.

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>For that guy at no point do you picture it

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to be sort of heartwarming in the end, but something

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 1>there's something charming about misspelling Washington.

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Agreed the story would be slightly less good if he'd

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 2>spelled Washington correctly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love this guy.

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>He reminds. It's i mean, very different, but it reminds

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of the British man who kept

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 2>escaping from Britain.

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna say I also kind of felt

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>something like that where he don't even blame him. He's

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>almost like, I don't know, I mean, it's on them

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to keep me in jail. It's incredible.

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, if you ask nicely, I'll tell my counterfeiting story

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>in a future episode. Oh it involves identification, all right,

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>or maybe it's a bonus episo, So stay tuned. After

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the break though, we'll play some.

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Games Lane game there she is lanes games, Lanes games.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta keep that record, that bottle that and put

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 2>some music behind it.

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe, well we'll switch it up. This is the

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>episode we stitch it up.

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Finally, Lane, is your hair permanently pink? I mean is

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>that a wash out pink? Or is it gonna be?

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean it'll eventually wash out? The kind of hair

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 3>die works.

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Josh, you don't know. You don't know the science

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>behind you know, I don't getting your hair pink? You

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know ever do that? It's too dark.

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't die mind pink.

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 3>You have to bleach it first, bleach it and then

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<v Speaker 3>that's abutus episode next week.

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Nothing better in podcasts than a visual gag like that. Yes, okay,

0:29:55.920 --> 0:30:00.959
<v Speaker 2>welcome back to crime lists. It is time for lanes games.

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't there? Wasn't there one more line?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? I don't know what I say.

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Lanes games. Sign for lanes games. Get some music in there,

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>get a little jingle, make it pop, make it make

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>it nice. There she is lanes.

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Games, Lane, Lane, What are you and your cat there?

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>He keeps coming back for more?

0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, camera loves the camera.

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<v Speaker 3>Were playing Bugsy and I came up with a game,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a choose your own adventure type. It's can

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<v Speaker 3>you make a convincing counterfeit? Pass this quiz and you

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<v Speaker 3>might Oh, so there's kind of like you know this

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<v Speaker 3>or that, this or that, and then we'll see if

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<v Speaker 3>you pass the final test, which is me judging if

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<v Speaker 3>I think you did.

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<v Speaker 2>Were playing as a team or individual.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a counterfeit team. So you guys are working

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<v Speaker 3>together on this, so be it. First question, what bill

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<v Speaker 3>are you printing? And I got multiple choice A A

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<v Speaker 3>one dollar bill, be a ten dollar bill, see a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty dollars bill or D one hundred dollars bill.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like, wait, so how could we get

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<v Speaker 1>this wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>If this is there's no wrong answers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, Josh, the furry quiz, the furry quiz. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lead us somewhere. Okay, should we go twenty dollars bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's not used.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, So what details are you including on the bill?

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<v Speaker 3>A Alexander Hamilton, B Benjamin Franklin, CE, George Washington or

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<v Speaker 3>D Andrew Jackson?

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<v Speaker 2>D Hamil? Is it in Hamilton? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was Andrew Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>We're already in trouble. Oh, shure, our crew is divided.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, Andrew Jackson is on one. I thought Hamilton was

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<v Speaker 1>on the ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Now you've got me doubting everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go. I'm gonna let you. I'll let you

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<v Speaker 1>take this, my god, but this would this could derail everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go. Andrew Jackson on the twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay four team, So y'all I have to I have

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<v Speaker 2>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>With Josh follow me even though even though I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how are you sourcing your Are you a hand

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<v Speaker 3>drawing everything? You only trust yourself? B on Wikipedia? See

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<v Speaker 3>you're scanning a bill you have in your wallet? Or

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<v Speaker 3>D taking a photo of the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should take a photo, right, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll take a photo.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, if we don't even know who's on it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just we are basically the criminals we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>So after careful editing, your image is nearly identical to

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<v Speaker 3>the real thing. But you need to pick a paper

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<v Speaker 3>to print it on. What material are you using A

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<v Speaker 3>A bleached one dollar bill?

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<v Speaker 2>No? B.

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<v Speaker 3>Bible paper nope, see, satin paper nope. D I'm making

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<v Speaker 3>my own paper with fabric scraps and lint.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'll bleach in a one aren't we are

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<v Speaker 1>we bleaching A one.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a combination of linen and cotton, which I know

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<v Speaker 2>because I wrote that thing at the beating of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, I'm going to go with Josh on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Bleach.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how are you printing this? A in a motel

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<v Speaker 3>room with an ink jet printer, B at home with

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<v Speaker 3>a color laser printer, see at a local Kinkos with

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<v Speaker 3>a flash drive or D I'm hand drawing them.

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<v Speaker 1>What was A and B?

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<v Speaker 3>A in a motel room with an inkjet printer or

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<v Speaker 3>B at home with a color laser printer.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean B.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 1>The word laser feels right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, clearly from the future involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels like that's from the future. So that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds right for us.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh great? What extra security features are you adding? Choose

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<v Speaker 3>all that? Apply a green eyeshadow to fake the color

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 3>changing ink B texture on the portraits, vest using a

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<v Speaker 3>fine tip blue pen, C glue a plastic strip into

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 3>a slit you made in the bill, or D spray

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<v Speaker 3>a matt lacker on the bills.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all the above.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Josh, I know, because I know that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of confidence I'm following you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that colored strip thing is right. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like the edges is right. Yeah, let's go all above.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. And finally, how are you spending the money? A

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<v Speaker 3>Walmart on a Saturday morning, B self checkout at Target, C,

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<v Speaker 3>A diner at midnight, or D a dimly lit dive bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean C and D feels like you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>away with it. Yeah, B self checkout feels like the

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<v Speaker 1>computer scans it.

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<v Speaker 2>So who are we We're choosing one of these?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right. It's either see or D. Was

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<v Speaker 2>it dive bar? Or what was it?

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see diner at midnight, diner at midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it's darker in a dive bar, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, let's go that d Okay, let's let me

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>do your choice. Here we go. Are we still wildcats?

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<v Speaker 3>You almost messed it up right at the beginning. Andrew

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson is on the twenty so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 3>So far we're okay. Taking a photo of the bill

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<v Speaker 3>not the worst choice. You normally can't really scan the

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<v Speaker 3>bill because of the material of the paper it's made

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<v Speaker 3>out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the top counterfeiters that got arrested, like with

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<v Speaker 3>in the last decade, uses Wikipedia to source his images,

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<v Speaker 3>So that would have been a good answer. Yeah, okay

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<v Speaker 3>a blea tellar Bill, Yeah, pretty good. That's a good

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 3>good choice at home with a color laser printer. I

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<v Speaker 3>probably would have gone with in a motel room with

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<v Speaker 3>an ink jet. Why because that's what this Jeff Turner

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.799
<v Speaker 3>character did. But I don't know, could be okay, hit

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 3>or miss.

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<v Speaker 1>But the laser printers from the future, lane, are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Not laser during that?

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<v Speaker 3>True? I don't know what year this laser printer is though,

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 3>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>From twenty one to twenty okay, well in that case,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one twenty six, yeah, years in the future. Crazy

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>when cash is definitely obsolete.

0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 3>I think it's risky to glue your own plastic strip

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 3>in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But you need it, that's what they're lucky.

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 3>You do need it. But at a dimly lit dive bar,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that they're going to notice. They probably

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<v Speaker 3>won't notice. What they're going to notice is like weird glue.

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, the lighting.

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 3>But if you're spraying a Matt lack or spray on it,

0:35:58.800 --> 0:35:59.760
<v Speaker 3>it could smell weird.

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.800
<v Speaker 1>There's a smell in probably a different kind of sheen.

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like.

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Bills are gross. But no one's smelling a bill. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen one do the smell test.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even your most normal bill is gonna smell

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>at a dive bar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna let's see if I can.

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Somebody's keeping that in this chuggy cheese costume.

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<v Speaker 2>It smells real bad because there are no pockets in

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:20.240
<v Speaker 2>that costume.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you're calling back other episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say it's fifty fifty whether we get away

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 3>with it or Yeah. So heads or tails?

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<v Speaker 1>Heads?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you heads, you get away with it. Okay, virtual

0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 3>coin heads, you got away with it. You got away

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 3>with it.

0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah. And to our listeners, that's how you make

0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>fake money that easy. We just got that easy.

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Also, Rory credit, you saved this there. I was about

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<v Speaker 2>to go Hamilton, you're almost dead.

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 1>You're dead in the water.

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 3>Really got rested. I will say, the more I googled

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 3>this this sort of stuff, the more nervous I got

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<v Speaker 3>about my just screak.

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. I even think about that.

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:05.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like, what's the best paper for counter by?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait until we get to the Dark Web episode. Then

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be in real trouble.

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Can I get a burner computer?

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But also you get this information from less websites, so

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you only have to go to one stop shopping when

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>we get to the dark Web. That's true to darkweb

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>dot com. I want it to be that easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I still want it to be that easy.

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm afraid to search it.

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I am even as a joke. I'm afraid to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, we have won the coin Toss, which

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<v Speaker 2>has declared us incredible criminals, master counterfeiting criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>You made it, you squeaked by. You got that free

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Miller lite. Yes, with your fake twenty dollars bill.

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<v Speaker 2>Our families will be so proud yep, and we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye bye.

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