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Speaker 1: Jimmy out here just you know, get in the streets,

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Speaker 1: rattled for no reason, just out here, just poking bears

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Speaker 1: for no reason.

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Speaker 2: You gotta wake up. Ain'tn't sleep too long. No bears

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Speaker 2: hideen Nate.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you an intro card. Harlem born rap legend, entrepreneur,

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Speaker 1: one of the founding members of the iconic hip hop

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Speaker 1: collective Dipset. Over the years, Jimmy has done many, many things,

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Speaker 1: from music to fashion to real estate, reality TV. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's probably a good time cultural commentary. Yes, sometimes he

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Speaker 1: pokes bears for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes Broadway plays.

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Speaker 1: Broadway plays One Man Shows. The resume is very long.

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Speaker 1: The amazing Jim Jones is my guest today. I think

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Speaker 1: One Man Played. I was so good. I was at

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Speaker 1: that premiere. Yes, we're gonna talk about we'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Let's start first with time and a place that we

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Speaker 1: are in right now. When I book you on my show,

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Speaker 1: because I said to myself, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: people underestimate the journey of somebody like you, like what

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Speaker 1: you've had to do in your life, what you've had

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Speaker 1: to experience and door uh hustle your way through to

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Speaker 1: get where you are from where you come from, and

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to have that conversation with you, So

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Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, we should have Jim on the pod.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things about how people

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Speaker 1: could learn from and then we book you and then

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Speaker 1: the next day Jimmy's viral. Yes, and I watched the

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Speaker 1: clip of you talking about you versus NAS, and I say, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's just Jimmy trolling. That's just Jimmy getting the people going.

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Speaker 1: But people bought all the way into it. So once

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Speaker 1: that was I correct, Was that what it was or what's.

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Speaker 2: What was the definitely correct, but let's speak career. I

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Speaker 2: didn't start it. There was a young gentleman that they

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Speaker 2: asked a question too, and his viral clip wasn't viral.

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Speaker 2: It was a young kid from Atlanta. He was on

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Speaker 2: a podcast and they asked him what was more relevant

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Speaker 2: Jim Jones and NAS and that viral clip. That clip

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Speaker 2: was super viral. And I let all of these people

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Speaker 2: that platforms to ask that questions. And naturally, if you

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Speaker 2: go and talk about me, I'm always talk my shit.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know, I know how this game goes,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want nobody think that anything that I've

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Speaker 2: a question and me answering as a man. Even from

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Speaker 2: the beginning, like from the beginning of the year when

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Speaker 2: I did the Justin interview, I didn't start it. They

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Speaker 2: asked me how I felt about what was said about

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Speaker 2: me on another platform from some other people. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a troublemaker, but I like trouble if that's

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Speaker 2: the case, you know, I mean, if that's what we're

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Speaker 2: going into, and not to say it like that, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm for it. I'm built for this is

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Speaker 2: what my whole thing was built on, was that was

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Speaker 2: that type of engagement. So here we are, and I

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Speaker 2: told I get people a prerequisite, Yo, I know how

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Speaker 2: to go viral. This is easy to be in an

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Speaker 2: easy society where it's very.

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Speaker 1: Easy to people take that bait so easy, too easy.

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Speaker 1: It's a little scary. But you seem to like not.

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Speaker 1: I mean you clearly you're not afraid of it, but

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Speaker 1: I see you also seem to lean.

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Speaker 2: Into it sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if what do you get out of that? And

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Speaker 1: then what and why.

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Speaker 2: We're we're in a community where everything goes viral, and

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Speaker 2: actually everything viral turns digital and digital and is up

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Speaker 2: with streams and turns into a revenue stream for me.

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Speaker 2: Of course on I'm so on everybody's Explorer page. I'm

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Speaker 2: who I was one click away from making me some money,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And that aspect. And then

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Speaker 2: I also have a record label, well have artists. I

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Speaker 2: how many people love now and I'm watching I'm watching

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Speaker 2: people go absolutely crazy. But it was it's what hip hop.

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Speaker 2: I mean. It's the people that I do it as

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Speaker 2: That's what the game is built on, and things like that.

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Speaker 2: But that's not making no mistake. I put a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that you're still finding ways to be relevant.

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Speaker 2: But I left a long trail of good things that

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Speaker 2: looking at these younger kids coming out here and fashion wise,

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Speaker 1: What are you most proud of me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh now, I mean I'm proud to still be here.

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Speaker 2: Perseverance as a testament of the game. You know, this

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Speaker 2: It's an uphill battle for everybody that's a hustler trying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so much about your journey that I'm sure

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Speaker 1: right now? Like it's like a scary place, but clearly

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Speaker 2: Bit, like baby, I look at it, and then I'll

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Speaker 2: probably go jump in the pool be laughing, like, yo, bro,

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Speaker 2: you gotta stop. They just go jump in the pool,

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Speaker 2: just wait till the click up. Then I drop some

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Speaker 1: Like you really don't care about the perception of how

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Speaker 2: I expect that whether you do something good, whether you

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Speaker 2: I'm comfortable with that. You dig like I've never seen

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Speaker 1: Do you like the idea of somebody underestimating you or.

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Speaker 2: Of that you do? I love that because I can

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Speaker 2: don't know me from allaway. I can see you don't

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Speaker 2: I'm a jack of all trade. I'm not the master none,

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Speaker 2: but I'm better than the master though. Won like it's

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Speaker 2: a whole thing that goes with me. And I really

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Speaker 2: I've learned myself how to wrap. I've taught my lessons

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Speaker 2: other things in this life. I'd rather be a learning

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Speaker 1: People probably don't realize that you didn't start in your

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Speaker 2: I started it was their partner. My first job in

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Speaker 2: He knew what his job.

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Speaker 1: What was your job?

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Speaker 2: My job was to make sure nothing happened to that

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Speaker 1: And I know I was gonna say, how much do

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Speaker 2: I credit a lot to Camp, but I also credit

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I gave them niggas food

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Speaker 1: They went to school, they got kicked out. You said,

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Speaker 1: both of them got kicked Both of them got kicked out,

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Speaker 2: I learned how to do it. You did. My grandmother

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Speaker 1: you still got to pay the rent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I paid the rent. I paid PU the love right,

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Speaker 2: that was Mace manager. I was a hustle.

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Speaker 1: I always been here in the streets.

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Speaker 2: I know how to make money. He did. I don't

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Speaker 2: I know how to make money. And I was saying

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Speaker 2: It's addicted in my family? Everybody, everyone except for my grandmother.

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Speaker 1: How did she pass?

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Speaker 2: My grandmother passed a cancer that ninety five.

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Speaker 2: Broke every bit of soul I had. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: She really she was an angel or she was a

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Speaker 2: Like these things that my grandmother has still give me

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Speaker 1: You want to tea, We get you. It's crazy because

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Speaker 1: You could have went in a very different direction, going.

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Speaker 1: What do you tell? What do you tell that kid

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Speaker 2: Shit? I mean it worked for me, So now should

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Speaker 2: And just thinking about that now with shit like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't really talk about my grandmother. So

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Speaker 2: She got there, yeah, because she didn't get to see

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Speaker 1: You don't believe that, and let's get you a tissue. Baby.

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Speaker 2: I don't want you to even You know, people would

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Speaker 1: Probably would have liked to spend some money on her,

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Speaker 2: The money would give everything that got right there, I

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. This is your mom's MoMA, your dad's.

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Speaker 1: Where she she lips. I'm sorry I got you emotional

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Speaker 2: A cool little bits of things that humble me. What

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Speaker 1: What do you think it's important?

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Speaker 2: Well? With life? Living it to the folks. You know,

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Speaker 2: I've learned that people are more important than currencye to

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Speaker 2: you can't make a good person, and you can't get

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Speaker 3: If you love anybody, you've had Christie around for a

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Speaker 1: And it is here, Chrissy. We're just talking about you.

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Speaker 1: And I said thank you, mama, I said, Chrissy, And

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Speaker 1: Don't need that. We're having a real one over there.

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Speaker 2: I think I got it all right. So yeah, cool,

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Speaker 1: Oh she made you smile, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How long you guys been together?

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Speaker 2: Oh? My son is twenty two twenty one. Is that

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Speaker 2: the longest relationship in my life I've ever had? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yes, of course, of course, I mean yes.

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Speaker 2: Besides, I haven't had too many relationships in my life.

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Speaker 1: What is it about her? Because you talk about people,

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Speaker 1: is it her? Like, what is it about her?

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Speaker 2: No? She just makes me. She just it's something about it,

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Speaker 2: Like when I'm talking right now, she makes me smile.

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Speaker 2: She's a dope person. She's very solid, and she's been

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because whenever somebody is able to maintain a

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Speaker 2: No? I have my grandmother and I have my all viola.

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Speaker 2: I watched them to stay down with their husbands, do

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Speaker 2: with their husbands. I've never seen anybody who is married

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00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 2: from that hierarchy in my family get divorced.

438
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: M that's interesting, you.

439
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. And I kind of kept a

440
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 2: bit of that, plus the fact of two kids from

441
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: Harlem that came up very hard and deserved something better.

442
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: Like we you knew what we could do together, I mean, And.

443
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: Did you know each other young?

444
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 2: You did right?

445
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: No, you had a crush.

446
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: I know who she was. She didn't know who I was.

447
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 2: She started to know who I was when we started

448
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: doing music, and she would see seeing me and pick

449
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 2: on me every now and then when she would see

450
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: me outside.

451
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: She said, she would pick on you.

452
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 2: Tight enough, do your hair ship like that?

453
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 1: That is so oh my god, she said, tight enough,

454
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 1: do your hair.

455
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:51,919
Speaker 2: Like that?

456
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 1: So what was the confidence? Why did you thought that

457
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: you had a shot with that? How did you?

458
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think I had a shout at all.

459
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: I met it at Miami, you know what I mean, Like,

460
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 2: we didn't even meet in New York City. I met

461
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 2: it in Miami, was in the same proximity, and she

462
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 2: turned to white nigga, nigga you know who I am.

463
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I was fingered, well, herd

464
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: up was faded. I felt like Diana Roys turned around

465
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 2: on me.

466
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: So that is so cute. Come on, Chris, So what

467
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: was how do you think you got her?

468
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: Then?

469
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: What do you think it was? How did you convince fly?

470
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 2: Now, let's not get that right. I'm not I'm not

471
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 2: a bad look.

472
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: So you talk that talk a little bit, the talk,

473
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: but she.

474
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Kind of let me. She she kind of let the

475
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: conversation that night.

476
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: And did you know you'd have to treat her differently?

477
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? One hundred percent you know what I mean.

478
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: I knew that from off top. I know I know

479
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: what came with it, you know what I mean. And

480
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: if anybody that knows who she is and things like that,

481
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: but understand what I'm saying, ship like that, you know

482
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, no matter what, every woman needs

483
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: to protect her, you know what I mean? And I

484
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: knew that I had to beat that for her, for

485
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: who she was, and I didn't let niggas know, do

486
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 2: not play with me? I'm gonna go above and beyond.

487
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: Oh you know what I mean.

488
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: She probably does the same for you, you.

489
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Know, every day, every day, every day. Don't play with

490
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: What does she.

491
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: Do when you say something on that damn what did

492
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 1: you say something of social that goes crazy to her? Oh,

493
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: she doesn't care.

494
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: She like what did you do? Like she's it's not

495
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: part of her life.

496
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: It's not in real life.

497
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: My business is not a part of the real life.

498
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: It's not part of it. Telling me go to the

499
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 2: grocery still go to, uh, what's the supermarket? We go

500
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: to the organic joint, Like, it's not part of that

501
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 2: old fools, the whole foods organica. Like I got chores

502
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 2: to do, like Nigga take you the garbage, y'all? Fuck

503
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: all this other shit you talk about, you know what

504
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: I mean? Like her like their builses do? How about that?

505
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: Well, what about when you guys were on the reality show?

506
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Because you did, I mean, you guys would like them

507
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: blueprint kind of right, love and hip hop and that

508
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: whole that whole thing. And what was that time like

509
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: for you?

510
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: Wow?

511
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: Like what did you learn about it?

512
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: Like? I mean, well, for the most part we knew

513
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: how to sell dysfunction. I mean sometimes it would go

514
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: a little left and it would it would come, it

515
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: would meet, it would be home before we before we

516
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: got back home, like you did, like whatever we was

517
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: going through. But for the most part, we knew what

518
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 2: we were doing. We knew we were selling dysfunction, and

519
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: we knew how to do that clearly, very well, you know.

520
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: So you stepped into it knowing that we went.

521
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: What the plan was. My mama knew what the plan was.

522
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: I know what the plan was. Christy knew what the

523
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: plan was. But in the midst of that crazy shit

524
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: that we sell us sometimes we forget that we're selling

525
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: shit and it goes into a real place that we

526
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: will Yeah, let's bring it back. People forget got real too,

527
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 2: We got weight all the way to far we started

528
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: living the real characters like, no, that's not who we are.

529
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a bit of us in every character

530
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 2: they see, but it's a lot exaggerated. It's like music

531
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: and people put the ten on the two of music

532
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: and people, you know what I mean, Like they might

533
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: have only sold the ounce in their whole life, but

534
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: in their music they sold five keys, you know what

535
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean. So It's the same thing with reality TV,

536
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: Like it's really not reality TV. It's a premeditated television

537
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: show that you're pretty much washing. They put a scenario

538
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: in front of you or they everything is written down.

539
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: But for us, we didn't do that, Like our method

540
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: of reality TV was our method, you know what I mean.

541
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: And that was a bit of the power struggle with

542
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: them because we knew what we wanted people to see,

543
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: and we knew what they were trying to exploit, you

544
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and shoulders walk away from it.

545
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: It's tricky because you even think about that time, like

546
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: and you guys are starting and Yandy worked with you

547
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: that all kind of unraveled on TV. That was real.

548
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I got into a real play that got.

549
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: Real And then what else just relationship stuff like even

550
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: even the proposal, because some of that stuff stays with you, right, Like,

551
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: so you did it as a show, you played into

552
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: these characters, this function.

553
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: A lot of that does stay with you. But as

554
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, everything everything becomes numb boid after a while,

555
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: you kind of just put that, I mean, it kind

556
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: of just put it behind you, yeah, like you know

557
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like there's a lot of things that

558
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: we'd be done on that show. That's just for TV

559
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: and it's going to stay there, you know what I mean.

560
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: We don't revisit those problems. We don't look at those problems.

561
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: You don't even look at the show. We never even

562
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: looked at the show while we did it, you know

563
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like if people ain't tell us, or

564
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: we saw a little Christ and things like that. But

565
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: we never constantly sat down and watched one of our episodes.

566
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: Not about shit. We was already living. It's not like

567
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: we made a movie or anything, you know what I mean.

568
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: But what about the what about the storyline about about

569
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: getting married? That's a real story, you know.

570
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: It was a real thing at that time. It was

571
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: a lot going on between us in our relationship and

572
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: things like that, you know what I mean. And God

573
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: bless everything worked out, you know what I mean. And

574
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: TV seemed to put a lot of it, had a

575
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: lot of pressure, stressing, press and stress on us at

576
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: that time and things like that. I mean, it's a

577
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: double that short, especially for where I was at in

578
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 2: life and the money that the TV was paying. It

579
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: just was a lot going on. But once again, I

580
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: don't regret anything I got through it, we faced it

581
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: to happen, and now we're in a better place. We're

582
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: in a way better place.

583
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: And when you think about like you were saying, who

584
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: you are, what you come from, and that you had

585
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: to learn to survive and learn to make money, Like

586
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: to me, I look at you as somebody like all

587
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: of these things, by any means necessary, are an opportunity

588
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: for a hustle. Like I feel like, like even to

589
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: go back to what we were talking about before, in

590
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: this whole nas thing, I'm looking at you like he's

591
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: just stirring shit up.

592
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: Just to be stirring shit up, or you give me

593
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: your lane, I'm gonna stir it up. Right, I'm gonna

594
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: talk about it now. Somebody mentioned it. Now we're gonna

595
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: talk about it, you know what I mean.

596
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: But even like so even the reality show, it's like,

597
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: but then I just wonder, like what is because now

598
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: you're also talking about the people you really care about.

599
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: So what if there was any blowback for you? You

600
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: said no, you said you kept it moving, but even

601
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: your mom, I mean.

602
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: There was a time where it caused a lot of confusion.

603
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: But like I said, that was the time, you know

604
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 2: what I mean, This is the time that we love

605
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: them way much more. The way that my family is

606
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: even tighter, nd a few times tighter, and my mom

607
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: is good, you know what I mean. But everybody is

608
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: in unisonse you and I love, I love the I

609
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: love where we're at right now as a family.

610
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: How did you do that? What was the biggest thing

611
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: to help fix some of that?

612
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: Me Me being a man, me growing up, me growing

613
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: up and and acting like a man within my family

614
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: because I know I am the leader of my family

615
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: no matter if my mother and ever involvement things like that,

616
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: I know they're looking upon me for that leadership and

617
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: things like that, you know what I mean? And I perfect, No,

618
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: there's some things in my family that we still can

619
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: make tighter. Yes, you know what I mean, But we

620
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: working it every day. We work consciously and show each

621
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: other love and pray for each other and things like that.

622
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: How did you feel about Sierra running up on.

623
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: You at the once again? That was a pre major

624
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: thing for my premeditator from my side about what I

625
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: know could go viral. She was walking by, she was

626
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: all the way out. She said, I said, what's up?

627
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: She said, what's up with my sister? I was like,

628
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: she good. She's like gonna make me come over there.

629
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: You invite it.

630
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I know anything Sierra's gonna say, it's

631
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: gonna go super viral. Next to me, I'll take it.

632
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: Be like, let's get it.

633
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: Let's get it. She's a married woman, one of the

634
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: few marriages that we see publicly that looks very good.

635
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: We don't know the ins and outs, but you know,

636
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: they show a lot of love and things like that.

637
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: So one of the few people that I would allowed

638
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: to even perform to talk to me about anything that

639
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: had to do with relationships because they living in her truth.

640
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: So I gave it a floor. Don't have to listen

641
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: to anybody, know, but she's one of the few people

642
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: that should have the floor when it comes to talking

643
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: about she figured it out. Yes, yes, you know what

644
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: I mean a pers so you did, so whatnot? And

645
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: that was the whole thing in my mind, Like it's

646
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: gonna work for me, It's gonna work, We're gonna go viral.

647
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: Let's take it. She's on she be doing Oprah and

648
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: things like that. What come on over, sit right here? Well,

649
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: and Christy said, she loves me, like well, like what

650
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: I'm just going viral, all right, cool whatever, just here

651
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: viral DEI viralocity. We needed. That's how we make the cash.

652
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm still in the game and people I don't

653
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: want people get too I do a lot of business,

654
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: but as a music executive and a music artist, this

655
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: is one of the ways of marketing that's working right

656
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: now in today's music. I'm only following what is being

657
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: done successfully by the youngsters. There was a time where

658
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: we would dictating how music runs, and now at the

659
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 2: time is they're dictating how music runs. And for you

660
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: to make some money, you got to find how to

661
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: find your medium in the midst of what these youngsters

662
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: are doing, in the midst of what I know how

663
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: to do, so that I can stay current, stay relevant,

664
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: and stay making some relevant money. I want the nostalgic

665
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: money you heard, I don't want. I don't want the

666
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: nostalgic money. I'm not selling nostalgia out here. I'm selling life.

667
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm living life. I'm not a storyteller. I'm a life liver.

668
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: Doing the weather.

669
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: Whatever you did, like almost stay current. So I don't

670
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: think people get that, but I know you get the

671
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: whole hall. Yes, first thing you said when I'm working.

672
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: I was like, you out here because she said yes.

673
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: I knew right away, because I know what that is.

674
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: I came up with that the norm. I came up

675
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: with flex by the way, let's stir it up. He

676
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: was the kinging too quiet, like it's nothing going on,

677
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: let's let's make some noise.

678
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?

679
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: I was like, here you go. But we're at a

680
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: different time where it's like if people are scared of.

681
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: That, to see how it works, and to see how

682
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: people are scared to do certain things, so in caging

683
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: certain things or talk about certain people, or like, it's

684
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: just wild to me how nobody really has a backbone

685
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: when it comes to certain shit in this industry. Do

686
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: the fear of getting canceled or fear of being talked

687
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: about by their peers or social media and a negative light.

688
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck, not one fuck, not one

689
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: they got. I couldn't even buy a fuck to give

690
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: you did like, I don't care. This ship is all make.

691
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: Literally, somebody paid you to give a fuck.

692
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: They paid me to give a fuck. Maybe I can

693
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: act like I gave a fuck. I'm gonna tell on

694
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: shit like that and look like I give a fuck,

695
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: but I could give a kid two fucks and shit

696
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: like that, you do. I care about my business. I

697
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: care about making my money. I care about staying current

698
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: and relevant so I can keep making my money and

699
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: keep getting these business opportunities that comes to me. You

700
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean? It starts with the music. Above all,

701
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: if you're an artist and you're doing business, the business

702
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: will slow up if you don't got some music that's

703
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: still popping. You know what I mean. I it starts

704
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: with the music.

705
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: What is that though? Because you've done well in your life,

706
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: you've made money, Like, what is the thing that keeps you?

707
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Like?

708
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: When is it enough?

709
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: I mean? Shit? For me, I made money, lost money,

710
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 2: was rich, was poor, was rich, was poor. I had

711
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: to figure out that money wasn't in I had to

712
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: learn how to make business. So every money, most of

713
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: the money I made in my career, I said, I

714
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: definitely spent over twenty million dollars.

715
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: How bugging.

716
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: That ain't even ball And that's bugging your bugging didn't

717
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: know the value of a dollar. This living life every

718
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: day in this sixth expecting more money to come and

719
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: not knowing that man, that shit could stop at any moment.

720
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: I had to learn so much. Man, there's so much

721
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: in this industry because they give you so much. When

722
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: you lift, they will let you do any and everything

723
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: you want to do, you know what I mean. And

724
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: it depends on how you carry that. And if you

725
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: gave your ass, people your ass that kiss going up,

726
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: they all know sooner or later you're going to come

727
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: back down. Word you hear, and you're going to see

728
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: everybody asks on your way back to hell you're and

729
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: I had to and and to be able to still

730
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: navigate through that from the top floor back down to

731
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: the bottom floor and come back up. It's not easy.

732
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: You know. There's a thing that they say, like also

733
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: if if you go up, grow up with like the

734
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: trauma being poor or broke, that even as you get

735
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: older you can make a lot of money. You could

736
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,239
Speaker 1: be a millionaire, a multi millionaire. That that fear of

737
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: going back being broke again. Like it's like trauma. It's

738
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: like money traumas.

739
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: It's super trauba. And it gets even worse when you

740
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: get on this level or living life because everything is

741
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: so expensive, you know what I mean. People think you

742
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: got all this money. Yeah I do got money, But

743
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: if I don't hustle every day to pay these bills,

744
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: the same way you got to work every day to

745
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: pay your bills. It'd be detrimental for me the same

746
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: way it be detrimental for you, you know what I mean.

747
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm constantly on the hustle to make

748
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: more money. That's what life is about, you know what

749
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: I mean. Money, Money fixes a lot of things, you

750
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: know what I mean. They say money don't buy happiness,

751
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: but it's shit. It made me smile a lot of times.

752
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: Money is nice. It's better to have it than not

753
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: got it.

754
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

755
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: So it's like it doesn't rule my life, but I

756
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: prefer to have it than not have it.

757
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yes, for sure.

758
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: Wait before we move on, where are you at with

759
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: marriage now? What is your what are your thoughts your

760
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: philosophies about it? You've clearly made a decision not to

761
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: do it. You clearly love me.

762
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: I haven't made a decision not to do it. And

763
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: that's a very touchy thing because when you talk about

764
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: it and I say the wrong thing and then it

765
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: goes crazy. And that's one thing I don't want to

766
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: be in social media about talking about you know what

767
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, because I don't that involves her and I

768
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: don't want her to feel that type of way. Do

769
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: we have a thing that's working right now? We do

770
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: know what we want to do, and you know what

771
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: I mean, And that's not for everybody. You know, you'll

772
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: find out and you'll find out what we have to

773
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: But right now we're in a great place.

774
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: I love that.

775
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: And we've been together longer and seeing a lot of

776
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: people be married, you know what I mean.

777
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: And you're not afraid of commitment.

778
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: No, obviously not yea, you know what I mean. Obviously

779
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: not because usually that's the thing. Obviously not Like I'm

780
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: not even the boss in my household. I'm permitted her.

781
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: But did you because I hear men say that. Not

782
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: all men are comfortable doing that right away. Sometimes it

783
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: takes a while to fall into the role of like.

784
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm the man in my household.

785
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, don't get it twisted.

786
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't get it twisted there. But I ain't the boss.

787
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: But you like it. I love it.

788
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: We all work for somebody still gangs up.

789
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: What is the difference between man of the house and

790
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: boss of the house.

791
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: The man of the house is once who provide, who

792
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: takes care of make sure everybody is dead, everybody is

793
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: taken care of. That's the man of the house. The

794
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: boss at the house is usually the person who runs

795
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: the house, and she runs the house. You know what

796
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: I mean?

797
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: All right? What is the definition Jimmy? Because when you think,

798
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: if I ask anybody on the streets of New York, like,

799
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: give me some adjective or definition of Jim Jones, what

800
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: do you think one of the words will.

801
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: Be, I will hope, A survivor, a visionary, a philanthropist,

802
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: a person with a big heart, person that stand on

803
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: ten toes. Not perfect, here's a perfect example of what

804
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: could happen for you in life if you believe in yourself.

805
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: I will hope. It's some of them type of things

806
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: that's being said, because that's what I'm showing. I've definitely

807
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: been leading by example for a long time. Forget everything that,

808
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: all the things that's surrounded around me. Look at what

809
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: I'm doing. Actually, look at what I've done. Actually, you

810
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, I'm leading by example as

811
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: a man, as an artist, as an executive, as a visionary.

812
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: That I've been doing that for a long time. Whether

813
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: you're noticing or not.

814
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: What about a hustler?

815
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: Who is he? He's too much of a hustler. You

816
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: had to learn how to be a businessman. He's so

817
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: much of a hustler. Definitely, That's one thing I can do.

818
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: Hustle circus circles an average person.

819
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: What is the definition of a hustler to you?

820
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: A person that knows how to get to a doubt.

821
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: A hustler and drug dealers two different things. I've been

822
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: a drug dealer too, but I've been more of a hustler,

823
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I've hustled all types of

824
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 2: things in my life to get money. They keep it

825
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: to stay afloat. So like what whoa I would tell

826
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: you this, I won't go to high school before we

827
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: started selling packs of drugs, were selling oreoles and candy

828
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: in high school. My knife in tenth grade me I

829
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: would work on Sunday at the grocery store about my church,

830
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: and I would rob them of all the candies of

831
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: only snick of balls. And then the next day and

832
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: then my uncle worked at Red Cross. He would come

833
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: with a bunch of box of oriel crea. Next day,

834
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: y'all go busted, Danz. We probably clear, like five hundred

835
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: dollars a piece at the end of the week selling

836
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: your house and cakes fourteen fresh and high school fourteen

837
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: to fifteen. Then after that they got got a little older,

838
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: try to go outside a little bit. But yeah, I'm

839
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: a hustler, so that's a mean.

840
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean since birth, I feel like, yeah.

841
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: And I saw so many other things and things like that,

842
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 2: so you know, I mean, whatever, it's gonna make a dollar,

843
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: I don't care. I told a person before listen, if

844
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: I knew how to make a million dollars off of

845
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: taking cans back, I will pull up in a rose

846
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: voice with cans in the back and ask them do

847
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: you'll take cans and cassh you heard? Because I'm like

848
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: that when it comes to my hospital, doesn't matter what

849
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: it is. If it is if it's gonna equal a dollar,

850
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: then I'm not ashamed of it.

851
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: But what is the goal? Like, is there an end

852
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: goal to that? Or is that or you gonna do

853
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: that for the rest of your life.

854
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: You're definitely gonna hustle for the rest of my life. Really,

855
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna hustle on. Oh yeah, I love it.

856
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean even if I'm hustling between

857
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: my guys like I will. Whatever it is shit like that,

858
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: I like it, like you give my money.

859
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: That might be one of your addictions, by the way, Yeah,

860
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: I just like the hustle. You might be addicted to

861
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: the hustle.

862
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: I mean I addicted to work here. Somebody told me

863
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: long time ago. Bro, if you I don't care, if

864
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: you don't got a job, get your ass up every

865
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: day and go outside like you got a job. Get

866
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: to it, because sitting down is not gonna get you

867
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: nothing at all. I'd rather you stand outside on the

868
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: block than staying inside of your house.

869
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: Do something.

870
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 2: Something's gonna come from it. Maybe you might not be good,

871
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: maybe even be bad, but something is gonna come from it,

872
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's gonna get you into something.

873
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: Can you sit still?

874
00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: No?

875
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: Never? Like never, like it's a holiday weekend? You with

876
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: the fan?

877
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: Do I sit still? Jazz?

878
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: Never?

879
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: Christy gotta make me sit still sometimes?

880
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: How does she do that?

881
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: Going outside today? Bugging chill out.

882
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: When there's nothing to do with you still outside, chill out,

883
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: get some rest so you don't have a thing. Like

884
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: everybody has to have an unwind.

885
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have. It's time for that when I

886
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: get ready to go, But you never do that. I'm

887
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: not on winding Now.

888
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: You do vacations, Yeah, we do vacations.

889
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: I work on those two. But be on vacation.

890
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: That's not a vacation, that's a work trip.

891
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean, while you say that is the work benefits

892
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 2: of a vacation, I'm just making sure that the money

893
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: is secured.

894
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: No, there's a vacation is supposed to be when you

895
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: don't work, when you're having just downtime. A work trip

896
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: is where you're working and on a trip.

897
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: But who got time to not work?

898
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: Really, it's a lot of people. Some people need it.

899
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: I need it.

900
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: I need to I love to work. I mean clearly,

901
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: I'm at work. I'm not afraid to work, clearly, But

902
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: I get to a point where I feel like I

903
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: need I need some quiet.

904
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: What it is I don't go on vacation. I mean

905
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of money go on vacation. While

906
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm on vacation, I'm trying to get the money back

907
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: that is spent, that is spent on a vacation. That's

908
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: how my brain is thinking, Like what a fifty piece

909
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: I needed back quick year. What we're doing. We get

910
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: on this vacation. You gotta line up the money and

911
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: we need to get it back.

912
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: Christy must love that.

913
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it has its pros and cons.

914
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: Oh over, hustling could be a straining inside of the

915
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: household sometime that bat you know what I mean, doing

916
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,919
Speaker 2: too much cool out.

917
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I wonder what a therapist would say about that.

918
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: Therapy therapist?

919
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: Have you ever done it?

920
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: No?

921
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: I tried it. The lepists actually came to a house

922
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: when time and never came back. I was like, maybe

923
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: it's not gonna work for us, like bad. Everything never

924
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: ever came back, like she came to speak to me

925
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: and Chrissy, and then she started with Chrissy and then

926
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: she started with me and she was like, yoh, we're back.

927
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: I got to go to the car, gone left her

928
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: coat everything. If I'm lying, I'm flying, called Chrissy back

929
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: right there. Never came back for any of it, said

930
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: fuck this, they ain't got enough money to me. I'm out.

931
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't think it's that bad. I

932
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: think our norm must be very heavy on other people.

933
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: Do you mean, like me and her norm must be

934
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: very heavy on other people, because if you don't know

935
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: us and you see it's interacting, you'll be like, you

936
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: might get like, what the fuck is gone? But we

937
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: really joking, like we really joe, like we're too comedians

938
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: that like at all times. But a lot of people

939
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: don't get it.

940
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: You never tried therapy on your own?

941
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: No, I did, like I had, like I had to

942
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: do some anger management shit one time I got locked

943
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 2: up like that. I just kept getting locked up for

944
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: self charges when I was younger, and the judge was

945
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: gonna lock me up for a year if I didn't

946
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: take anger management and therapy some shit like that. So

947
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: I had to do that shit for like eight weeks.

948
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: How was that it was cool? Did you did you

949
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: learn anything?

950
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: No? I was more on on on defense than I

951
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 2: was about learning anything because it was court mandated. Felt

952
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: like he was an undercover officer trying to learn about me.

953
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: So I just did the beer minim woman and things

954
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: like that. But I do know a few people that

955
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: do have therapists and things like that, and they say

956
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: it does pretty good for them. But my thing is

957
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: you just like it's like finding a girlfriend.

958
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta I always say that finding a therapist

959
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: is like the whole lifetime, but.

960
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: It's like dating these therapists for the next three years,

961
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: trying to find it right there. I'm like, no, bro, no,

962
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: I ain't got time. You got chrissy, Yeah, go through it,

963
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: We figure it out.

964
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: Do you have it? Did you do you feel like

965
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: you had an anger problem at that time, like an

966
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: anger management issue?

967
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I definitely definitely grew up with a lot of

968
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: anger issues. Definitely, definitely definitely. As we can see, Yeah,

969
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: I'm very, very aggressive. I will tay more than anger.

970
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: Like what does that mean?

971
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: Like trying to keep my emotions inside, like you know

972
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like I got to work on that daily,

973
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: Like I could crash out at any moment, Like you

974
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like I'm a master crashing, and

975
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: I had to learn crashing is not the best thing

976
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: for you and what you've got going on, not right now,

977
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's been it's not

978
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: been the easiest thing.

979
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: But so you've had to self fiel because you didn't

980
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: really do anger management and you don't do therapy, so

981
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: you've had to self figure out a way to manage

982
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: the anger. Yes, what do you do is there? Tell

983
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: yourself something that you bring.

984
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: Wake up on it now. Yeah, you gotta be y'all,

985
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: move through this day smooth as possible. Don't let things

986
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 2: rather you up too easy. Give people the space they

987
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: need the same way you want people to give the

988
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: space you need, and things like that, like you know

989
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like don't engage because if you're engaged,

990
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: you can go further. It's just a lot of things.

991
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: I try to stay away from this shit like that

992
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: because I know how fast things can go left and

993
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to accomplish right now that's definitely not needed,

994
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's been one of

995
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: the hardest things that I've been learning to do, but

996
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: also one of the most rewarding things that has happened

997
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: to me.

998
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do right now? Me?

999
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's so many things I want to do

1000
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: well right now currently currently.

1001
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: Like in business, like or what just like what are

1002
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: your goals in life? Like where do you want to

1003
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: see yourself in five ten years?

1004
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, I don't know. I can tell you this.

1005
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: I want people to know that I gave more than

1006
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: I took and I was able to take a lot

1007
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: and I'm still taking right now, you know what I mean.

1008
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: They don't give a second chance. I took it, you

1009
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So that's what I'm at. But

1010
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I gave way more than

1011
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: I'm able to take in things like that. And I mean,

1012
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: so these are the things that I'm doing now and

1013
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 2: prepping for. So I just I just I invested in

1014
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 2: a large piece of property inside of New York City,

1015
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: a huge piece of property, but I'm turning into full

1016
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: content production and creative facility and not only for my

1017
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: business and for my label, but open it up to

1018
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: kids that need these opportunities and they don't have these

1019
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: places to go. So from podcasting to streaming to gaming,

1020
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: filming videos, photo shoots, green screens, forty foot ceilings, fifty

1021
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: foot ceilings, this open air space like it's just got

1022
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: a studio already in there, building more studios, and this

1023
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: is something that I invested in like.

1024
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: That, you just want to teach people and you want

1025
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: to give people resources to be able to.

1026
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. That's been my whole thing, Like regardless

1027
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: of who I am, if you know me, I've always

1028
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: been giving back and helping people through my whole career.

1029
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: Even when I didn't have it to give or have

1030
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: it to help. But I knew sometimes in certain situations,

1031
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: my help can help other people go to places that

1032
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: I can't. And I've been doing that my whole career,

1033
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: and this is just an opportunity that kind of sat

1034
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: on my lap and it was felt like God was like,

1035
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do? You're always talking about this, You're

1036
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: always talking about this big willy shit, nigga, You're gonna

1037
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: boss up and you're gonna do what what you're gonna do?

1038
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: I chose to boss up, And that's how God talks

1039
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: to you. Yeah, that's how you're talking to me. The

1040
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: only way he gonna get through to me. Her, you

1041
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: can't be nice to me. Got to talk slick to

1042
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: me to her, and then I got to answer, like,

1043
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: now I bossed up? What's up? Now? Well, what's the

1044
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: next test?

1045
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: You hear?

1046
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: So this is where we at with it. An incredible

1047
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: group of people that's helping me go through it. I'm excited.

1048
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: I'm super excited for this place and things like that.

1049
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: What's happening now? It's now it's a real thing. Show.

1050
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: I got like set designers coming by.

1051
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: Who did that? For you, What like who taught you things?

1052
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: Who put you on the game?

1053
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: Who like?

1054
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: Who did you.

1055
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: Learn the industry from a dishustle? But whatever? Well, I

1056
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: learned a lot from my moms, learned a lot from

1057
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: my uncle Riki, learn lot from the hustlers, and from

1058
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: my building. Learned a lot from people that I've seen

1059
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: hustle I learned. I learned a lot from real live

1060
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: hustlers in my lifetime. What about the business, the business,

1061
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from Cam. I learned a lot

1062
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: from Dame. I learned a lot from being next to them.

1063
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: I learned a lot from being able to be in

1064
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: all the meetings. I was able to soak up everything.

1065
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: And that's that's always been me. You put me in

1066
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: the room, I'm gonna figure it out, and just to

1067
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: be next to these people, I've I've learned everything in

1068
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 2: the industry. The biggest the biggest lessons that I learned.

1069
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 2: The biggest school I was able to be a part

1070
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 2: of was with Kevin loud Kevin Louds gave me that

1071
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: bigest executive position and won a music group, and I

1072
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: was able to learn so much of it because as

1073
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: an artist, you don't see what they doing in back offices,

1074
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: and it was just really are and me, you know,

1075
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 2: I mean in that order like Todd moscol Is, Joey.

1076
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: They all worked for me, even though I never played

1077
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: it like that you did, because I wasn't that I

1078
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: was new in that position. I was learning everything, but

1079
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: I was so future forward that they Kevin understood what

1080
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: I could do and bring to the table and things

1081
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: like that. So between being right under him of the

1082
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: law is how I learned so much of the back

1083
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 2: office stuff that most of these artists don't see. And

1084
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: a lot of that is why I'm still able to

1085
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: be here today, because I understood a lot of the

1086
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: business side of it and understood what can happen, and

1087
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: me being able to be an independent artist. I'm able

1088
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: to go in whatever direction at any time that I

1089
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: want to go, which a lot of these major artists

1090
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: don't have the opportunity to do. So I'm not going right,

1091
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: I can switching and fix it and go and every

1092
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: So it's like I took a lot of that and

1093
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: put it into who I am and helped my independent

1094
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: artistry so much. Being able to be in these different positions.

1095
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: That's I didn't even know that too. I never realized

1096
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: you was there doing like you. I never understood year

1097
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: role there. I didn't know.

1098
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: I was the director of music for Warner Music Group Atlantic.

1099
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: Any record label that was other than had to report

1100
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: to me and then report to Kevin, even though you

1101
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: didn't go like that. But Diet, that's how it what.

1102
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: Maybe I was trying to get the deal call me

1103
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: this office. I'm like, I'm trying to get this deal

1104
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: and this is right before ball and I'm like, I

1105
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: have certified gangs to someone. And Ken was like, I

1106
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: see something bigger for you than that. You you a

1107
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: wrap out here, you and all that. I felt like

1108
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: he was trying to disrespect me at the time, Like, now,

1109
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: how about you take this job position we all moving

1110
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: over the Warner Music Group, and I believe in what

1111
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: you could do. Come take this job is trust me,

1112
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be way better than you be an artist.

1113
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: You can still figure out to be artist while you're there.

1114
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: And that's what happened for me. He opened the doors

1115
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: to the building for me and I took that and

1116
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: ran with it. I was able to get like three

1117
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: labels in the building. The success that I was garnishing

1118
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: at the time led me into going into the ball

1119
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: and record. I used half of the building to help

1120
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: me do that. Along would be in the catching things

1121
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: like that.

1122
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, because Boland wasn't just a great record, it was,

1123
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: but also how it rolled out. I just remember it

1124
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: being on the NBA and the commercials and the it

1125
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: was everywhere. And yes, because it was a great record,

1126
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: was big, but it was catchy and it was also

1127
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just hit the sweet spot of

1128
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: like the marketing of it and the street of it.

1129
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: You just hit all the right buttons. And that makes

1130
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: sense now, why right?

1131
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: I had a little cheat code change your life, right,

1132
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: It definitely changed and changed my life to this day.

1133
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: And it's crazy because I've done a lot of records

1134
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: and I had a lot of big records, but it's

1135
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: like help broke still to this day. Oh forever by

1136
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: the way for us, Michael Jackson hit and I appreciate it.

1137
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: Be like, oh, you only got one hit. I know

1138
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: A put a lot of people that don't got nothing

1139
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: near this in this industry, you know what I mean,

1140
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: And can still perform that record at a high capacity.

1141
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: Right now, they're paying me great money to come do

1142
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: shows you know what I mean.

1143
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: Right now, Right now, I have been in real life.

1144
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: Bowl Okay, comes up with all of this stuff.

1145
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: You know, combination me, Britt, Me and Britt mostly.

1146
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: If you were the leader of the world, what's the

1147
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 2: first thing you would do? Make health care free?

1148
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim, I heard you.

1149
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: You did.

1150
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Definitely shouldn't have to pay for that, and it's been

1151
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: figured out. It's not like there's no blueprint nowhere, and.

1152
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: It shouldn't have to pay for that at all, you

1153
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then I would make education free,

1154
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: or what's left of it. I mean, education doesn't hold

1155
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: the same value as it did once when we were

1156
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: coming up, you know what I mean.

1157
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: I know because there's so much out there's.

1158
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 2: So much information. It's so easy to make a dollar.

1159
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: So these kids are wrapping circles around who he was

1160
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: when we were coming up at the age.

1161
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: Because they write rhymes on CHAGBT, they.

1162
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: Do whatever they want to do, and they skip because

1163
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: as you go, as we go into the future, like

1164
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: these kids are learn how to become doctors on chat GBT.

1165
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: You heard that, is, become lawyers on chat GBT. They

1166
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: can pass any test they want on chat GPT so

1167
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: now it's like you got a young doctor. You gotta think, like,

1168
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: do you know what you really do? Like I need

1169
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: all my doctors to be about my age and a

1170
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: little bit older right now, And you know what I mean?

1171
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: Like and I know this is but it's I think

1172
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: about it a lot of different wadship like that.

1173
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: I feel like we should do one more as to

1174
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: a bold question. You can pick anyone. What is it?

1175
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: What's your go to self care ritual when you're bummed up,

1176
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: when you're burnt out?

1177
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: He has no self care ritual?

1178
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: Workout? I work out when I'm burnt out.

1179
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you do have one.

1180
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the That's my therapy is the the therapy.

1181
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: If you want to know, what's the most therapeutic thing

1182
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: I do is the gym That takes me off my

1183
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 2: edge every day. That's why I try to work out.

1184
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: It gets that aggression out of me. It helps me

1185
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: start my day fresh. That's why I try to make

1186
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: sure that's the first thing that I do.

1187
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: It probably helps too with are used talking about your anger?

1188
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: It probably helps that too, right, takes you off the edge.

1189
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: It helps me with strength.

1190
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been diligent about that for a long time.

1191
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: Definitely, it's been a part of my life. I mean,

1192
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 2: I want to be able to live as long as possible,

1193
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: and I know that working out as one of the

1194
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: show ways to help you with that.

1195
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: You know for sure I envy that.

1196
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: No, I just gotta get up and do it. I

1197
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: don't mean you gotta be an athlete, don't mean you

1198
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: gotta be Let me just get up and do some.

1199
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: G to live. I used to live a few blocks

1200
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: away from you, and I would drive by your house

1201
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: on my way to play golf, and I would see

1202
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: you would have tires, you would have like a CrossFit

1203
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: on the lawn.

1204
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I still do it now. I got the biggest

1205
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: I got the biggest rott. But the funny thing was

1206
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: the neighbors used to start lining up to watch you

1207
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: work out. I'm like, that's weird, weird, but it was cool.

1208
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: Christy be like, Yo, you gonna have to start keeping

1209
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: your shirt on. Oh god, oh man, neighbors. Man, this

1210
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 2: good though. Man, it's a good life. Man, good life. Yeah,

1211
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: it definitely is. Mane you got another one. There isn't

1212
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 2: good or no what this says home, Let me see

1213
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: it says what something you spend money on that actually

1214
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: changed your life.

1215
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: That's a good question for you because you said you

1216
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: spent twenty million.

1217
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: Dollars none of it changed one money stuff?

1218
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: No, something have to change your life. I mean, what

1219
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: is your best way you spent money, like the best use.

1220
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: Of it spending on my family? I mean the size

1221
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: of little investments and shit like that. You know the

1222
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 2: houses I brought, those are those those are the good.

1223
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: My mom's probably was the best thing. My mom's house

1224
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 2: when I was able to buy my mom's a house

1225
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: that I always promised her I would buy her when

1226
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: I was able to complete that mission. And that was

1227
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: the best piece of money I was able to spend.

1228
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: Because that house is still standing right there. That is

1229
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: sheltered forever. You know what I mean.

1230
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. He told her that when you were young.

1231
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told her I promised a prot my mama

1232
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: house in the bands.

1233
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: In a bends. Did you get a bull?

1234
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's all good.

1235
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: What kind of father are you?

1236
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm a great father, I would think son one son,

1237
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: I would think I'm a great father. I tried to

1238
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: do would be there in a ways for my son

1239
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: that I know. I wanted my father to be there

1240
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: for me, because I didn't get a chance to experience

1241
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: that at all. A few times I want to say

1242
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: that I didn't know my father, didn't get to be

1243
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: with him, but it was very few times in my

1244
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: life that that happened. And not to take away any

1245
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: love that half him, because he was my father. I

1246
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: thought him all the way into the day that he

1247
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 2: passed away. But there were things that I wish that

1248
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: he had been there for me, or things that I

1249
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: wish that he would seeing. And I was just like,

1250
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: you know what, when I get a sign, I'm gonna

1251
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: make sure I pull all my energy into that. And

1252
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: when that's what I did, I mean, I try to

1253
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: be there as much as possible. When he plays sports,

1254
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: I'll try to leave by example even right now, like

1255
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: we get up, we go to the gym, if I mean,

1256
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: like he goes to the gym every day, Like I

1257
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: go to the gym. Sometimes you can't work out with me,

1258
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: Like so I'm not. Yeah, Like it's it's a great

1259
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: feeling that it's urging him to try to What I

1260
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: urge him to do right now is to live life

1261
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: overly abundantly because you have it. If you want to

1262
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: go to the Air Force. If you want to go

1263
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: live in Italy. You might want to go chill in Germany.

1264
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: You might want to go on a fucking voyage, like

1265
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: do it, do it right now while we got it,

1266
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: and I could do that for you because I didn't

1267
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: have that, And this is my gift to you. You

1268
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it ain't it ain't all

1269
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: about you going to college, ain't all about like I

1270
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: live life. It's gonna it's gonna come to you, you,

1271
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 2: my son. I do believe soon a lady, you're gonna

1272
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: find a passion of something that you're gonna love. But

1273
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: right now, go be a sofar retrainer in Africa if

1274
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: you want. You know what I mean, Like call me

1275
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: from the submarine. Like, yo, bro, I'm on the submarine.

1276
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: Like do anything make you happy? Anything would make me happy,

1277
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: just to see him doing anything. He knows that it's

1278
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: not no specific one thing. But don't do nothing regular.

1279
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: You want him live in a good life.

1280
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: That's what I'm here for. You could do ship regular

1281
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: on your own. He ain't taking nothing to do nothing. Nigga,

1282
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: go be James bond out this motherfucker be batman. I'm

1283
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 2: gonna be out for it.

1284
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: Is that his personality.

1285
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: He's just got a cool personality. But like our bond

1286
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: become very close in this past couple of years, and

1287
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm starting to understand a lot, understanding better around me.

1288
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: His music taste, who I mean, like it's this, it's

1289
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: a lot, but it's it's great, you know what I mean.

1290
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: But I still encourage him to whatever direction you go

1291
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: and go for it because I'm here. I'm here to hold.

1292
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: Parenting will expose you in like a you gotta be

1293
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: in a vulnerable type of way, you know what I'm saying,

1294
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: Like you're got to be your kids.

1295
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: And we leave that room for them to take full

1296
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: advantage of us too, full advantage like just walk all

1297
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: over me? Why don't you?

1298
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: But how do you manage that? Because that's probably being vulnerable,

1299
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Like that's probably.

1300
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: Grateful that he's not that kid that takes advantage. He

1301
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: has his own ways, all kids do, but he's not

1302
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: the kid to take it for he could be I

1303
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: just you know what i mean, Like he could be

1304
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: a monster.

1305
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.

1306
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: He could. It's like but I and I'm grateful for

1307
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: how humble he is, who he's growing and be how

1308
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: he doesn't let dislife affect him, you know what I mean. Like,

1309
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: and I know as he was younger he had to

1310
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: learn how to kind of control that it was a

1311
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: problem for him and shit like that. And now was

1312
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's cool. It's a dope kid. I

1313
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: just want him to go.

1314
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like you want to hit that James Bond?

1315
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what's up? What's up? Uh?

1316
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: What does respect mean to you? In real life?

1317
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: Respect is definitely something you got to respect to someone

1318
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: might not give from everybody, but you're definitely not going

1319
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: to disrespect. That's how I feel about disc That's how

1320
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: I feel about respect.

1321
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: You have to stop your foot.

1322
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: Because it's a touchy thing because I know how I

1323
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: feel about certain people and certain things and ship like that,

1324
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I know everybody has

1325
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 2: their own respect level with it. But what we what

1326
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: we're not going to do is start the disrespect, you

1327
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1328
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: Now, I feel that what do you think is what

1329
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: do you and this is the last like two or three,

1330
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: what do you hope that people learn from your life?

1331
00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: Like?

1332
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: What what do you what do you think your legacy

1333
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: will be?

1334
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: My legacy?

1335
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: I guess that's two separate questions.

1336
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: What you can learn? What can a person can learn

1337
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: from my life? Perseverance, person that understands except no person

1338
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: that I figured it out, Like I'm a testament of

1339
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: what finding your purpose in life is and continue to

1340
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: live in that purpose. And I don't know what totally

1341
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: it is, but the discipline that I have in me

1342
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: continue to go down that path of where I need

1343
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,959
Speaker 2: to be going. I do believe that this music shit

1344
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: is the smallest percent of what I have to offer

1345
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 2: this world. But I do believe it's has opened so

1346
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: many doors for people to be able to listen and

1347
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: hear and see what I am about to give to

1348
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: this world, you know what I mean. Like music is minimal,

1349
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: it's great as artistic, it's about the energy, It's about

1350
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: a feeling. I do believe I gave millions of people

1351
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: that energy and that feeling, you know what I mean.

1352
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: But that's not the end all be all for who

1353
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: I am. You know what I mean, And I do

1354
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: believe that wholeheartedly. You did. Like I'm not here this

1355
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: long for a reason. God ain't put me through all

1356
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: these childs and trip relations for no reason, Like there

1357
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: got to be an endoor be all for my purpose

1358
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: is and that's why I keep dialing to who I am.

1359
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: I love that and you don't know yet all the

1360
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: way with that purpose is right?

1361
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: Who knows what it is?

1362
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: Like?

1363
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I'm like, I'm like every night,

1364
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: like you know, I say in my prayers, I'm just

1365
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. I ask God all the time,

1366
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: like what is it? What is it? Because you obviously

1367
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: keep me inside of psych. I don't know. I don't know,

1368
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: but I know it's definitely not music, as I've done

1369
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: so many other things besides music, but inside my music journey.

1370
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: So you're still trying to figure it out.

1371
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, other shit to do, like my music, my music journey.

1372
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: And I don't feel like it Willever, but I do

1373
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: feel like it was. It's going to come to a

1374
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 2: point where I had going somewhere else.

1375
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: And you know what's so interesting you were telling me

1376
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: about and I know we're supposed to wrap it up,

1377
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: but I had just had to start because once you

1378
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: become famous and like you get some money, people just

1379
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: think you got you're good and you got money, but

1380
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: you've been honest about like I got it. I lost it.

1381
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: I got it. I lost it. Like, was there a

1382
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: point in your life that people wouldn't expect or wouldn't

1383
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: know that maybe they was looking at you like you

1384
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: you that guy and me Meanwhile in your real life,

1385
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case.

1386
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: I'm always that guy. That's why I always get the

1387
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: money back. There's people that need money to be who

1388
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: they are, is why they fail. I don't need money.

1389
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: I just told you. People will worth more than currency

1390
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: to me. A good support system makes you richer than

1391
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: anything in this world. You know what I mean. You

1392
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: can't do nothing on your own. I don't care what

1393
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: nobody said, I did this some wrong or now. There

1394
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: was somebody to help you put you there. There's a

1395
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: support system around you that's helping you go there. And

1396
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: that's more value than me than any dollar jag. So

1397
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: no matter whether I had the most money or least

1398
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: amount of money, I'm still me when you see me.

1399
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: The power that I have never go anywhere. I still the

1400
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: stame person. Money does not make me make the money.

1401
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: So it has been like that.

1402
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: So why is it so important to you?

1403
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: Then? Money? Yeah, money can help you change a lot

1404
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: of things for yourself, for people, it can help people.

1405
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: It could do a lot of things that put different

1406
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: people in different position. Like you need money to change

1407
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: the shit in the world, you know what I mean?

1408
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: Like these activists, activists can't help you. If he ain't

1409
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: got no money, he could talk to you make it change.

1410
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1411
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: Do you understand what I'm saying?

1412
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: I do? I do?

1413
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: I do?

1414
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: All right? We usually asked this at the beginning, but

1415
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'll ask it at the end in real life.

1416
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: What's your full name?

1417
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: Joseph K. J. L. Jones Junior.

1418
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: That's pretty good in real life. How happy are you

1419
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: on a.

1420
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: Scale of one to ten in a real life?

1421
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: In real life?

1422
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: Hm?

1423
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: Like today?

1424
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: Like today, I'm extremely happy. Today, I'm like out of

1425
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: ten today. Yeah, wow, I'm like out a ten. Some

1426
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,959
Speaker 2: days I'm a little bit lower. For overall, in life,

1427
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm very happy. I'm I'm extremely happy if what I've accomplished,

1428
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: who I've become, what I've overcame, what I had the

1429
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 2: ability to do, and I got nothing but the future

1430
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: in front of me. She mm, I don't know, man's you.

1431
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm just proud of this being here. I mean, like

1432
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 2: I could have been so many other places in this world.

1433
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: I could have failed a thousand times before. I could

1434
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: have not been like is this. We are in the

1435
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: lottery of life, and that's a double lottery for us

1436
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: because just on us being able to wake up, just

1437
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 2: us being conceived in this world is one lottery in itself.

1438
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: For us to be at this table is a whole

1439
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: nother lottery in itself. We're in an elite game that

1440
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: not too many people are allowed in for.

1441
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: A long time too, you know what I'm saying. What

1442
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we talked about that. When you walk in

1443
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: and we've seen a lot of people come and a

1444
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: lot of people go, it makes me sad.

1445
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: Take your membership from you, like you're not allowed back

1446
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 2: in the club. Not to say that in a way,

1447
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: like but like once you whilch you out, you know

1448
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: what I mean, and wait you at you from the window.

1449
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm not with that. You're gonna wait at men from

1450
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: the window when you're coming in.

1451
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: Also, we've lost people, people pass people.

1452
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 2: We lost so many people, I mean, and in this

1453
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: past five six years, we have seen so many artists

1454
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: pass away, do natural causes and do the bike getting

1455
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: killed or whatever. It's just we're out of place where

1456
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 2: we've never seen that before. I don't believe I can't

1457
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: remember too many rappers dying when we was coming up,

1458
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: or you know what I mean, like too and big.

1459
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 1: The game was younger, because the game was younger.

1460
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: And now it was just out of controls. Like wow,

1461
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you know you know how it is, Ma,

1462
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I'm just blessed to be able to be

1463
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: here unscathed. I've been through a lot. I got so

1464
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: much shit that I still want to do, you know

1465
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 2: what I mean? Part of me sometimes being erradick on

1466
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: these cameras, but it's part of the game. You love it.

1467
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: We were talking about social media before and we also

1468
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: had a conversation about clips.

1469
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: I just wanted to show how to like, you know,

1470
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: like whenever I do my interviews, I'm I'm very rial

1471
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: with myself, you know what I mean, Like, I know

1472
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 2: the whole playing field. So when you hear me making

1473
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: these rants, so always bring it back to a point

1474
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: of reality.

1475
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: You're aware of the clip.

1476
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, But with these clips, what they do is they

1477
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: take the most vicious piece or the piece that they

1478
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: can make you look the most craziest inside of that

1479
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: viral moment and then it goes whoy, which I'm aware

1480
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: of you heard, and then everybody goes crazy and now

1481
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 2: so but surely all the rest of the clips that

1482
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: explained all the stuff comes out and everybody sets to

1483
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 2: feel crazy. But it's like, that is a great strategy

1484
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: that they started to put into this whole thing, and

1485
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: I seen It's something I'm watching in the recent like

1486
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: how they clipping and viral click baiting all this shit

1487
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: from just the smallest amount of words that I can say,

1488
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: And that's what created this this whole moment, right, it's

1489
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: just going crazy right now?

1490
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: So is that you leaning into that? No one?

1491
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: You knew that I was about to hire a clipper?

1492
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: So in that moment though, that you're saying this thing

1493
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: with no So, do you know this is going to

1494
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: be a clip one?

1495
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1496
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, oh yeah, you just bugged out.

1497
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: You want to you want way beyond the the line

1498
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: of discretion with this one, this one, because.

1499
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: You're just like a badass kid acting up.

1500
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1501
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why people don't see that about it.

1502
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 2: I don't know why I see it.

1503
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: The clips is a vicious game, though, because nobody cares

1504
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: if it's truthful. Nobody cares if it was taken out

1505
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: of context. It doesn't matter. And then there's no integrity

1506
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: with the outlets that share the clips because there it's

1507
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: just it's just a wild, wild West out here. So

1508
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: sometimes I see things and I'm like, that's not.

1509
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: How nobody has. Nobody takes the responsibility of being a

1510
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: journalist serious, and you have for so many so.

1511
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: Many I try, but sometimes it's not even in my control.

1512
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 2: Its way out there. But I'm just saying that this

1513
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: this very few journalists like you than most people are

1514
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 2: clickbaiting for that. That's their whole existence. And I get it.

1515
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 2: I'm here for everything. We're gonna we're gonna running down line,

1516
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: We're gonna have fun with you. Like this is not

1517
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: too much seriousness, you know what I mean? Like this

1518
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: is entertainment. Yeah, stop being so serious. Loosen up a

1519
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 2: little bit. We're having fun. You're gonna continue to give

1520
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: your opinion and I'm continue to pop my ship. Just

1521
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 2: how the game go?

1522
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: What do you think our clip should be today? Oh?

1523
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: What should be the clip? What did we talk about?

1524
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: It's so many? What are your takeaways from our conversation today?

1525
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: Is this so many clip? It up. I mean, let's see,

1526
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: but now we got a lot of beautiful gems. I'll

1527
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 2: put me in a great place. Actually, Like you know,

1528
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't really kids have these these types of conversations.

1529
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: I love that.

1530
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to do it.

1531
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: I was like, everybody want to see the mantra side

1532
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: of Jim Jones. They just want to see the superhero

1533
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 2: side of Jim Jones. They don't really want to dive

1534
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: into how diverse I am. So I'm glad for that,

1535
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1536
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 3: Jim Jones in real life, in a real life