1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt Noel is on 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: an adventure today. They call me Ben. We are joined 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Paul mission Controlled dec 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: into his just return from an adventure himself. Most importantly, 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. How's it going, Matt? 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: It's going well. Yeah, yeah, overwhelmed, but going well. Overwhelmed 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: yea too many wells? Yeah yeah, you know to a 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a thing that used to be seen 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 1: as very boring back when the climate was more reliable, 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna complain about the weather. You can see 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: the way I'm dressed today. It's the first day of fall. 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: As we're recording this, i ignored the weather reports that 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: do confirm it's going to be ninety plus degrees, fair 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: knit here in our city, and I've decided I'm just 20 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: gonna a dress like it's the temperature it's supposed to 21 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: be until it is. I believe Oprah called that the secret. 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah that you're right, intention, that's all that matters. UH. 23 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: Put out in the world and maybe it'll cool down 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: for you. And we have a number to put out 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: in the world today, too, don't we. Sure? Yeah, I 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: call in with any comments or question do you have 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: about today's episode or past episodes. Give us a call. 28 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: We are one H three three st d w y 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: t K. We will we will be listening. Um And 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: if you don't want to do that, go ahead and 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: send an email to conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: But that's just that's for whatever stirs in your mind 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: because you don't even know what's going on today yet. 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: And it's a doozy, it is, It is a doozy. Indeed, 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: this is one of those things that um, you know, 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: picked behind the stage offen air. This is one of 37 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: those things that surprised you. And now my friend, you 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: and I are fairly it's fairly rare for us to 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: be absolutely surprised by news when we hear something. Nowadays, 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: we've been doing this for years and years. Let's get 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: into it this way. This is this is a strange tale. 42 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: UH have you listening today, have you ever ordered something online? 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Literally anything? According to a twenty nineteen poll by Marist 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: College and NPR National Public Radio, around seventy six percent 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: of all US adults in the country have shopped or 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: are shopping online. Of the population of the United States, 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: one out of four people shop online at least once 48 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: a month, and sixteen percent shop online at least once 49 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, and that could be anything from the 50 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: groceries for the week to a small thing for a 51 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: child that's ordered, or just a reoccurring purchase of something 52 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: like shampoo or cat litter, or something right like a 53 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: a laundry detergent, a basic staple. It could also be 54 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: something as simple as I don't feel like cooking tonight, 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: let me order something from you know, Postmates or one 56 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: of the many other services Uber eats, whatever. But it 57 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: could also be furniture. It could also being large things, 58 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: which is kind of one of the things we're talking 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: about today. I think one of the strange things that 60 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: we explored. It was either our funeral industry episode or 61 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: maybe our Yeah, it was our funeral industry episode where 62 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: we found you can order coffins online. There is very 63 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: little between the mainstream web and the dark web. There's 64 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: very little that you actually can't order online. It's just 65 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: some of it's legal to order either way you look 66 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: at it, on either side of the law. Online ordering 67 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: is a huge industry, and when most of us here 68 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: in the United States think of online shopping, we think 69 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: of a particular digital Leviathan, an outfit known as Amazon 70 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: with a smile from here to there? Did I tell 71 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: you I remember when you told me that eight Z 72 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: thing about the smile? I was seeing you when I 73 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: saw the title for Amazon video, Because the smile goes 74 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: from like I too D and I was up late 75 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: and I was thinking, I D, Matt's onto something. But yeah, 76 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: we think of Amazon and this. You know, results may 77 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: vary according to your neck of the global woods. You 78 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: may live in a place where Ali Baba is the 79 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: big guy, right, But there are many other names in 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: this space as well, and we can launch your list 81 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: a few, right sure. The oldest one in my book, 82 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: at least that I remember being used frequently, was eBay, 83 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: but it was less of an online retailer and more 84 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: of an online social platform to get people to purchase 85 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: the other person's stuff, but in a bidding war. It 86 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: was very odd. It was an online swap me kind 87 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: of online flea market, and it still is. It. Also, 88 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: it also hacked one of the most hilarious malfunctions of 89 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: human psychology, which is uh, true happiness for most human 90 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: beings is not absolute. True happiness is comparative and relative. 91 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: For many people, it's not just the fact that they 92 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,119 Speaker 1: are able to buy a thing they want on eBay. 93 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: It's also the fact that they know other people will 94 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: not have this thing because they have it. It's sort 95 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: of it plays into you know, there's plays into this 96 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: factor of don't know whether you call it narcissism or something, 97 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: but there are people in the world who aren't happy, 98 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: aren't as happy as they could be having a thing 99 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: as they are having a thing and knowing that it 100 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: means other people cannot have it. Oh no, sure, it's 101 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to relate to that, but I 102 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: certainly see it at work a lot. But the biggest 103 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: thing with this is that it's kind of a game 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: that you're playing right when you're When you buy something 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: from a service like eBay, you get to play this 106 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: game where you get to be the winner. But if 107 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: you're not the winner, Oh, I gotta win next time, right, 108 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: so I will pay this inflated price, and it's almost 109 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: tapping into gambling to you know what I mean for sure. 110 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: So there are other retailers like Walmart, Walmart Giant in 111 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: the brick and mortar physical scene, but also pretty big digitally. 112 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: I Kea will also deliver things. The subject of today's story, 113 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: sort of somewhat is one of these also ran online retailers. 114 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: It is called Overstock dot Com. This is not an 115 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: advertisement for Overstock dot Com in any sense, and it 116 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: is it is also not the story you might be expecting. 117 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: So but just just for a reference, if you do 118 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: head on over to overstock dot com right now, there 119 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: is a fall home blowout, at least as we're recording this, 120 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: and it's almost all furniture. Yes, yeah, why is that 121 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: strap the again? We'll tell you. Here are the facts. 122 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Over Stock describes itself as a quote this from their website, 123 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: a tech driven online retailer located near Salt Lake City 124 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: in the shadow of the Wasatch Mountains. Their story begins 125 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: way back in guy named Robert Brizel founds a company 126 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: calls D two Discounts Direct Brazil sells this business to 127 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: a guy named Patrick m Byrne, who gives it its 128 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: current name. Overstock originally sold just that overstock. Overstock is 129 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: a term for surplus inventory surplus amounts of products. So 130 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: let's say, Matt, you own a chair emporium, Yes, and 131 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: it's nine nine. Let's say it's you own a chair emporium. 132 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: Business has been great, and you've invested a lot in 133 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: buying some chairs that you thought were going to be 134 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: super hot. What kind of chairs were those? Again? A 135 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: lot of it was modern. Um, I mean that we 136 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: were really banking that people were going to go with 137 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: a whole new millennium motif. You know, yeah, yeah, it 138 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: didn't really pan out. It turns out people were still 139 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: into wicker and kind of the old school would Um. 140 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: The biggest problem though, was that my website started to fail, 141 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: right because you had gotten into the dot com aspect 142 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: and you thought we wouldn't have you know, maybe I'll 143 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: just sell all my uh artists formerly known as Prince 144 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: branded Party like it's had a lot of that actually 145 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: dining sets. So so now we're in trouble because it 146 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: didn't work out for the chair emporium businesses looking dire 147 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: along comes over stock, and Overstock says we will buy 148 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: not just some of your inventory that you're trying to sell, 149 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: we'll buy all of it if you give us a 150 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: huge price break. Yeah, I'm really trying to get out 151 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: of this business. So you know what overstock deal. All right, 152 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: So now we're over stock. We have all of these 153 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: artists formerly known as Prince dining sets and modern chairs, 154 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: and now we go to our website over stock dot 155 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: com and we sell it to the public at prices 156 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: that are even below wholesale. Oh yeah, um again this 157 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: was this was pretty great, and that's how it went 158 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: for quite a while there at over Stock. But then 159 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: they started to branch out, especially since Patrick Byrne, this gentleman, 160 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: came through and started to run things. Yeah, they started 161 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: selling not just close out stuff. Oh we should mentioned 162 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: they also sold returned merchandise, right, yeah, dinged up or 163 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: returned knit, maybe a scrape or two on it. So 164 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: nowadays Overstock has branched out, thanks definitely thanks to Patrick Byrne, 165 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: into selling new merchandise. So if you go to the 166 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: website that you just described matt on their fall furniture blowout, 167 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of stuff that was surplus inventory, 168 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: but there's probably some new stuff in there too. It 169 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: looks fantastic on the site. I got to say again, 170 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: this is not a commercial over Stock, because we probably 171 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: we're going somewhere with this, and it may not be 172 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: where you think. So over Stock experienced its first billion 173 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: dollar revenue year in two thousand and ten. Not bad 174 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: at all, right, uhine to two thousand ten, So what 175 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: is that eleven years something around there? It's pretty great, 176 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: and that's very much the work of Patrick m Burne 177 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: and his team. Well yeah, exactly the whole team. But 178 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: there's there's something interesting here that I just want to 179 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: inject because we're gonna hit on a little bit later 180 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: while all that's occurring. Remember the downturn in the economy 181 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: happens right there around two thousand and eight, two thousand nine, 182 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: and they recovered out of that to you know, get 183 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: their first billion dollar year just a couple of years later. 184 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: That's Ah, that's just a little marker to leave there 185 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: for you when you're thinking about over stock. Okay, and 186 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: then we'll get back to it later. So later on me, Matt, 187 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: this Patrick Burne guy, who is he no relation to Connell? 188 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: I would assume, but checked. Well, I know, I I 189 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't ask in particular. It might be a sore subject. Well. 190 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: He was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana the good Old 191 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Year in nineteen sixty two. His father's name is John J. Byrne, 192 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: and this uh John. His father was the former CEO 193 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: of Geico right at the subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, Yes, 194 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: the the insurance company. UM interesting line there. So he 195 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: has all kinds of degrees from all kinds of places, 196 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: all of them prestigious of course, including Dartmouth, Cambridge, Stanford 197 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: and even Beijing Normal University he studied Chinese. He also 198 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: studied philosophy. The philosophy I believe was at Stanford. He 199 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: also is a three time cancer survivor. He has a 200 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: black belt in taekwondo, and he was an aspiring professional 201 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: boxer at one time. Yes, he was, and again a 202 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: PhD in philosophy I believe, if I'm not mistaken, and 203 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: a boxer. So he really thought about why he was 204 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: beating you up, you know what I mean, or he 205 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: at least had a firm ground to stand on in 206 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: in explaining it to somebody else or some existential dilemmas 207 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: I love that idea. Uh So he did as we said, 208 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: shepherd overstock into financial success. But the entire time he 209 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: did so, he remained a controversial figure, polemical, provocative, in 210 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: no small way problematic to some people. Oh absolutely, and 211 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna name you or list off a couple of 212 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: things here that are they feel out there or at 213 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: least they feel against the grain to to a large extent. 214 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: But just to put this out there, in two thousand five, 215 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: this guy started talking about how there was going to 216 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: be this massive downturn in the economy because the entire 217 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: thing was a house of cards waiting to fall down. 218 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: And he talked about it up until two thousand eight, 219 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: right when we had this massive crash because of the 220 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: mortgage backed securities thing. He was literally, there's a there's 221 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: a super up of him you can find online where 222 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: he's going on all of these business channels and just saying, guys, 223 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: the sky is falling and it's our fault. Just get ready, 224 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. Uh And he kind of became 225 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: a bit of a pariah for that, or at least, 226 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, within the networks that push markets are great, 227 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: everything's great by pay people thought of him as an 228 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: alarmist or a chicken little. Yes, the sky is falling, right, 229 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: but that wasn't all he did. No No. In numerous 230 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: online postings and interviews, Burn railed against what he saw 231 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: as the fat cats of Wall Street, including one unidentified 232 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: person he apparently described as sith Lord or the sith 233 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Lord and uh. In twenties sixteen, he and his site 234 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: deep capture dot com were found liable for defamation for 235 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: allegations they made against the Canadian national named Alta nazar Ali, 236 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: and they were ordered to pay a little bit south 237 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: of one million dollars. You can check out his blog 238 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: right now, Deep Capture and Deep Capture is interesting because 239 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: it exists concurrently, It exists in step with his Overstock career, 240 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: and you can read, uh, you know what what appears 241 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: to be. I don't know. Some people have described as 242 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: a checkl and hide kind of thing, but you can 243 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: read what appears to be two very different facets of 244 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: the same individual. In August of twenty nineteen, remember over 245 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: Stock is doing pretty well, Burn went off the rails 246 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: to as far as a lot of people in his sphere. 247 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: We're concerned because you see, he abruptly resigned from Overstock aid, 248 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: and he would go on shortly thereafter to sell his 249 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: entire stake in the company and throw it all into gold, 250 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: silver and wait for it, cryptocurrency, two of them, two 251 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: of them to flavors, as he calls it. So what 252 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: exactly happened, we'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. 253 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: On August twelve, Overstocked presents to the public a strange 254 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: press release from Patrick Byrne. You have very strange. Um, 255 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to even describe it, says overstock dot com 256 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: CEO comments on deep State, withholds further comment, and it 257 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: goes down to describe the Sarah Carter, someone who was 258 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: writing with the New York Post, I believe um, it says, 259 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: Sarah Carter has published two articles relating the following claims 260 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: of mine. And then it gets into some really crazy 261 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: stuff that you don't expect to see from a company 262 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: sending out a press release. Let's just talk about that 263 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: really fast. When somebody like I don't know, Fox News 264 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: puts out a press release, it's generally to let people 265 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: know of something an upcoming event, something that's big in 266 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: the news that's about to happen, or them announcing that 267 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: something is big happening with them, or if you're dealing 268 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: with a public company, it may have to do with shareholders, 269 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: something good that's coming around the corner. In this case, 270 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: it was very, very different. Let's read an excerpt. Starting 271 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: in operating under the belief that I was helping legitimate 272 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement efforts, I assisted in what are now known 273 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: as the Clinton investigation and the Russian investigation. In fact, 274 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: I am the notorious missing Chapter one of the Russian investigation. 275 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: It was the third time in my life I helped 276 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: the men in black. Yes, it says that third time 277 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: I helped the men in black. And remember these are 278 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: Patrick Byrne's words, capital M, capital B. Yes. The first 279 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: was when my friend Brian Williams was murdered, and the 280 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: second is when I helped the M I B shake 281 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: up Wall Street a decade ago on. Fortunately, this time 282 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: turned out to be less about law enforcement and more 283 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: about political espionage conducted against Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, 284 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: and to a lesser degree, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. 285 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: In July eighteen, I put the pieces together. I immediately 286 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: last July came forward to a congressman and senior military 287 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: officer to the Department of Justice this April, and upon 288 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: my Omaha Rabbi reminding me of my duty as a 289 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: citizen late this June. To a small set of journalists 290 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: this summer, Mrs Carter was among them. Her two stories 291 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: are accurate, and he's he's talking about the reporting that 292 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: Sarah Carter, journalist Sarah Carter did on his above allegations 293 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: that Matt and I just quoted. Let's bracket that let's 294 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: go back to what was happening in the public eye. 295 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: According to coin desk dot Com, overstock itself, under Burns direction, 296 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: was already deep into the bitcoin game. It was one 297 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: of the first companies to accept payments and cryptocurrent see 298 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: it launched its own security token trading platform, and it 299 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: acquired companies behind some other cryptocurrencies, like raven Coin. This 300 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: led analysts to believe burn was ahead of the curve, 301 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: but maybe a little too far ahead of the curve. 302 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: And he also was accused of doing some sketchy things 303 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: to shareholders and the kind of fake out move by 304 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: paying some dividends not in cash but in cryptocurrency, which 305 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: you know, more traditional investors were not particularly receptive to. 306 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: On September, after the market closed. Burn filed his statement 307 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: with the Security and Exchange Commission as he see saying 308 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: that he had sold four point seven million over Stock 309 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: shares and that these shares would total over ninety million dollars. 310 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: These transactions were over the again coin desk reports. These 311 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: transactions were over the previous three trading sessions as the 312 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: stock price fell from a high of twenty nine dollars 313 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: and thirty eight cents to fifteen dollars and sixty five cents. 314 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: He had this blog post on his site, Deep Capture, 315 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: following a statement issued by Overstock where they said they 316 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: were going to halt this crypto dividend policy I just 317 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: described after New York Post report detailed behind the scenes 318 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: maneuvering this to Burn was seen as a leak, and 319 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: a perfidious one at that he said. In fact, he 320 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: said it was a leak from quote, a leak from 321 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: the deep State's pets at the SEC. Hold up, deep State? 322 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: What the hell happened to Patrick M. Burn? Here's where 323 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. This was not some one time mentioned 324 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: of a deep state on Burns part. Uh. We we 325 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: remember that he criticized the FBI talking about deep state 326 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: men in black political espionage, interestingly enough, against both Clinton 327 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: and Trump. He also said that he was sure of 328 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: this after consulting with Warren Buffett, you know, famous of 329 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: Berkshire Hathaway fame for whom John J. Burne used to work. Yeah. 330 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to be too much like Charlie Day 331 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: in the mail room connecting the Pepe Sylvia conspiracies here. 332 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: But as you and I found, Matt, he Burns resignation 333 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: from Overstock is just kind of the beginning of of 334 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: his story here. Oh yeah, it seems well, I don't wanna, 335 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk too much about how I 336 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: feel about it, but it appears to be someone in 337 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: distress because then he goes on to CNN he holds 338 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: this thirty minute an interview, and it's the same day 339 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: that he officially leaves over Stock, right, and you can 340 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: see clips of this online. If you seek it out. 341 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: I put Patrick BYRNE CNN, you'll probably find it. Um. 342 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: He was claiming that the Federal Bureau of Investigation told him, 343 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: or somehow compelled him to begin some kind of romantic relationship, 344 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: or at least the beginnings of a romantic relationship with 345 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: someone named Maria Boutina, And you may recognize that name 346 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: because she's been in the news quite frequently there in 347 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: the past several years for being a Russian spy, or 348 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: at least being accused of acting as a Russian spy. 349 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: And you may think, well, why would the FBI, of 350 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: all the alphabet agencies send Patrick Byrne in to do 351 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: some reconnaissance and or shaping of you know, a Russian 352 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: spies work? Well, because I guess there's not a really 353 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: great answer, at least that's given in any of these interviews, right. 354 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: He also claimed that former members of the FBI and 355 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: officials specifically on the in the Obama administration had co 356 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: signed us had green lit it. For lack of a 357 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: better word, Former FBI Director James Comey responded to Burn's 358 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: comments by calling them ridiculous, and he said, the FBI 359 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. It was pretty succinct about it. Yeah, 360 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: But again, the it's so interesting to me because when 361 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: you're talking about jurisdiction and the alphabet agencies, the FBI 362 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: would be handling anything inside the United States if if 363 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: there there's espionage going on, the FBI would be attempting 364 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: to handle it. If it's interior to the United States, right, 365 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: But it definitely feels like more of the work that 366 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: you would think the CIA or the n s A 367 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: would be handling. But anyway, that's just that's just my 368 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: feel of the whole thing. There's another person who was 369 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: also a former FBI director, uh Andrew McCabe. He had 370 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: a comment and he said, well, you know, it's certainly 371 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: possible that this guy Burn maybe vall interered to give 372 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: information to one of these agencies about Boutina. But he 373 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: also was pretty aggressive in rejecting the notion that the 374 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: FBI would actually engage with Burn to get him to 375 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: go do this kind of thing, like send him on 376 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: a mission even though he's not an agent of any sorts. 377 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: Just the idea that they would send him to quote 378 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: engage in a romantic relationship with a suspected Russian intelligence 379 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: agent um. And he, oh, yeah, he said, quote this 380 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: that is simply not the sort of thing the FBI does. 381 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: So the former FBI officials at least have a united 382 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: front in this regard. And now we get into this 383 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: glass half full, glass half empty? Is the dress blue 384 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: or green or whatever? That old what was that Remember 385 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: that Facebook beam that went around where people were guessing 386 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: what color address was and arguing about it. Yes, I do. 387 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: I honestly can't even remember what colors it was supposed 388 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: to be. You know, the scary part is I can 389 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: remember what real news it was supposed to distract people from. Uh, 390 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: I'm certain it was. You know, you know how easy 391 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: it is to make something go viral. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, 392 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: let's see what kind of actual war crimes were occurring 393 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: during the dress fiasco. But but regardless, I'm bringing up 394 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: that comparison because now for a lot of us, a 395 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: lot of our fellow listeners, there's a a sort of 396 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: dividing point we have to ask ourselves. Does this mean 397 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: that Burn is just spinning wild tales or maybe becoming 398 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: mentally unstable, or does it mean that the FBI is 399 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: unified in lying about what they're doing. Well, why would 400 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: you be upfront with it if that was something like 401 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: some kind of counter espionage thing you were trying to 402 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: pull with. You know, the FB and the c i 403 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: A are are own to bring in actors essentially who 404 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: were not fully agents, who have some kind of reach 405 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: or some kind of pull within a certain sphere of 406 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: influence right. I always thinking about Julia Childs and how 407 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: she was utilized as a fact finder, as an agent 408 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: of sorts where she would actually gather intelligence. Um, but anyway, 409 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: let's jump, let's jump really fast to that CNN article again, 410 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: because he he discusses in TWI meeting with Maria Boutina. Right, Yes, 411 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: he says he first met Boutina in Las Vegas. It 412 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: was at a libertarian conference. I believe Boutina was a 413 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: well known firearms enthusiast, and they spoke with one another 414 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: about guns in the US. And she later, according to 415 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: burn invited him to Russia. She said, I have some 416 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: high power connection. I have some people I want you 417 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: to meet, Right, And that's when Burne says he reached 418 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: out to the FBI and said, Hey, this this boutan 419 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: at characters trying to give me to go to Russia 420 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: and meet some sketchy people. I'm sure we can use 421 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: this somehow. And you know, you and I, according to 422 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: burn have already built a relationship because I helped you 423 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: out on those two previous cases. And again, according to 424 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: burn the agents told him that he had a non 425 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: standard relationship with the government. Well yeah, and and again 426 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: that wasn't it. We talked about this a little bit, 427 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: but just the fact that Burne himself went to the 428 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Justice Department and shared with officials they're very similar story 429 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: about how he had this romantic relationship with Boutina and 430 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: how the FBI were the ones who said, hey, man, yeah, 431 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: keep going down that path. This is gonna be good 432 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: for us. We could use this. And again, this u 433 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: S official who's telling all of this, uh, or who's 434 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: like at least acknowledging that this occurred. Uh. This person 435 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: says that Justice Justice Department officials that burned up meeting 436 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: with they found a lot of his story to be 437 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: believable in some way, right, like saying, again, there are 438 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: parts of this I understand because he did share operational 439 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: details that were not widely known outside of those spheres. Right. 440 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: If you're if you don't know what maybe the ways 441 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: in which information is relayed within the FBI from one 442 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: informant to a larger body or from one to another, 443 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't know that stuff. And it seemed like 444 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: Burne just understood it at least. Yeah, Right, So that 445 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: adds a little more credibility to the claim here. The 446 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: The interesting thing is that other FBI officials, former as 447 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: well as current, will note that telling someone to rekindle 448 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: there a romantic relationship is really dicey territory legally speaking, 449 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: because it leads to a lot of you know, he said, 450 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: she said, situations they see some legal liability being involved, 451 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: and if you are the FBI, what you want is 452 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: something at the very least that appears to be an 453 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 1: ironclad case, so long as the judge looking at it 454 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: makes the decision you want the judge to make. I mean, 455 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: that's how that's how this sort of stuff works. That 456 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: is not a conspiracy. So, as Burne said, despite what 457 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: the FBI is claiming now, the FBI greenlit and encouraged 458 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: him to build this relationship with Boutina, and he would 459 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: meet with her every six weeks or so and they would, 460 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: according to talk about philosophy and politics. And then he 461 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 1: grew apprehensive when she said, you know, I'm friends with 462 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: Alexander Torsien, who was a banker linked closely to the 463 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: Kremlin and the Putin administration. And she said that this 464 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: banker was telling her to make friends, make networks, connect 465 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: employed nepotism in the upper echelons of American politics. It 466 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: is true that she was attempting to do this, and 467 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: it is true that she communicated with Torsion, according to 468 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: court filings in the case brought by prosecutors in d 469 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: C against her earlier right and Burns said that the 470 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: the FBI had originally told him to break off the 471 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: relationship and then told him to date her again. So 472 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: that's a very that's a very strange way to end 473 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: a relationship and try to get back with your X. 474 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, honey, it's not you, it's not me, it's 475 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: the FBI. Get a break up, So especially saying that 476 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: it's coinciding with the Russian investigation, this whole rekindling thing 477 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: that the FBI was encouraging him to do. Yeah, but 478 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: I just want to hear somebody use that as a 479 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: breakup reason. I know. But let's say you are Maria 480 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: Boutina or you are an asset of a state of 481 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: some you know, powerful government, and your boyfriend from the 482 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: other side comes to you and it's like, hey, I 483 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: know the whole Russian investigation things going on, but girl, 484 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: I was wrong. We put on a little shot a 485 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: boys the band, let's work this out. I don't know 486 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: what they would put on and I don't know what 487 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: they You know, every relationship is its own foreign country, right. 488 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: I do want to hear from everybody this. This is 489 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: so pointless, but I'm so interested. Man, how would you 490 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: react if you were a significant other, um, married, dating, etcetera. 491 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: Came to you and said, we have to end this. 492 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: It's not you, it's not FBI. I feel like if 493 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: if someone said that to be with a straight face. 494 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm the worst example of this, but I feel like 495 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: if someone said that to me with a straight face, 496 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm not married or anything, I would probably I would 497 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: believe that they believed that, you know what I mean. 498 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: Either way, it feels like a good reason to break up. Yeah, 499 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: that's rough. With social media nowadays, you could just turn 500 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: right around and tweet out hey my signific and O 501 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: they're just broke up broke up with me because of 502 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: the FBI and tag them thanks er. Yeah, somebody's covers 503 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: a good way to do that. So there is, uh, 504 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: there is where we end with a with a high 505 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: level look at the story. But we want to give you, 506 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: because this is an ongoing event, we want to give 507 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: you some of the latest updates. Will do that after 508 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. We have returned. In a 509 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: stunning surprise, the FBI has refused to officially comment on 510 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: Burns claims. That's why the people you hear us talking 511 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: about are either officials who have not given their names, 512 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: or they are former officials of the FBI who are 513 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: saying things like based on my experience, this doesn't make sense. 514 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: It's not what the FBI does. Yeah, please don't use 515 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: my name. I am an official from the FBI. This 516 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: is weird. That's enough. No, no further comment. What about Boutina, 517 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh well, Boutina was I mean, she was a spy. 518 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: She was in quote, unregistered foreign agent of the Russian state. 519 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: She pleaded guilty December to acting in that way. She 520 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: was thirty years old that year. Uh yeah, pretty pretty weird. Yeah. So, 521 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: prosecutors alleged that she attempted to meet members of presidential 522 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: campaigns in the run up to the election, that she 523 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: worked with the n r A to support Second Amendment causes, 524 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: and she is currently serving uh part of her eighteen 525 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: month prison term. However, I can understand how for a 526 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: lot of people that might seem out there or harsh, 527 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: you say, okay, well, supporting Second Amendment causes? Isn't that 528 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: what any American can do? Should they so choose? If 529 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: I am a US resident and I want to meet 530 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: members of a presidential campaign, can't I also do that? 531 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,479 Speaker 1: That seems like stuff I should be able to do, 532 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 1: And that is correct, that that assumption is correct. If 533 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: you are a US citizen, just don't collect too much 534 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: detailed information and put it anywhere. However, if you are 535 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: a foreign agent acting on behalf of a state, and 536 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: this is in the geopolitical sense, so a state in 537 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: this case is not Alabama. State is like Croatia or 538 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: Russia or the DPRK or the U S. If you 539 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: are acting under the direction of that state, then you 540 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: are legally required to read the same way that a 541 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: diplomat or a consular agent would have to register. People 542 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: in the U S State Department have to register when 543 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: they're abroad because they're not doing that. This makes it 544 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: spycraft unregistered foreign agent, that means spy basically, uh in 545 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: a rough way. So her attorney and fell it NA 546 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: Robert Driscoll said, when informed of burns resignation, he said, 547 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, I wish him well. I think he raised 548 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: issues worthy of investigation at risk to his career as 549 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: has become a parent. So the the attorney here for 550 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: Boutina is clearly implying that he believes there's some sand 551 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: to this idea that the FBI was using Burn as 552 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: a as himself as an unregistered agent. Yeah, and it's odd. 553 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 1: It feels as though Burn was outing himself on purpose 554 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: for some reason, right, like he wanted to get out 555 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: from under something. To me, it feels like leverage of 556 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: some sort that was being placed on him. Again, that 557 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: is just my feeling about the situation. But he's the 558 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: one who talked to those reporters. He's the one who 559 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: opened his mouth and and disclosed that information while that 560 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: New York Post reporter was there, Sarah True, I don't know. 561 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: And then and then you start to lead down the 562 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: path of like, well, what is he actually doing and 563 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: what is what is he saying his intentions are for 564 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: doing all of these things. Uh, that's where in my 565 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: mind where it gets even crazier. Yes, let's let's go 566 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: to Burn's own words. How about that. Here's what he 567 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: had to say on September, just a few days ago. 568 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: As we record this, the other thing accomplished by the 569 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: Bitcoin metal investment moves I described above, is that my 570 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: ammunition gets moved outside acts of retaliation from the deep State. 571 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: This is important because in fact, I am now going 572 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: to shellack them. Actually, shellack is too weak a word 573 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 1: for what I intend to do to the deep State. 574 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: Sit back and enjoy the show. That's intense. So he's moved, 575 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, a small uh big in most you know 576 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 1: of humanity, he's moved a huge amount of money. Yeah. 577 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: For for me, it's like way more than I will 578 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: ever understand in my entire life. But for a lot 579 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: of the players that are within his sphere, ninety million 580 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: dollars plus whatever else he had set aside um, he's 581 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: moved that much around somewhere. It's like an escape craft 582 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, because he is moving physically to right. Yeah, 583 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: he was going to Australia, said he's gonna be traveling 584 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: the whole world. He's got uh. He said he gave 585 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: the keys to his cryptocurrency accounts to some priest he 586 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: met while traveling the world in some other country that 587 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: is not English speaking. It's a really interesting piece of 588 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: that blog post, where again, this is a blog post 589 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: that he he put out on deep capture dot com. 590 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: I think it's the one that's called a message to 591 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: my former colleagues at overstock. I believe it's a part 592 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: of that UM. And here for me, here's where it 593 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: gets the craziest. Ben he in twent two five, all 594 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: the way to two thousand eight, he was signaling to 595 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: everybody that he could that the sky was falling and 596 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: the economy is a house of cards. It's gonna fall. 597 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,400 Speaker 1: He kept he kept calling it um an old man 598 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: on a breathing machine. And our economy is only alive 599 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: because it keeps getting money, like as in an oxygen 600 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: from a breathing machine. It keeps getting it funneled into itself. Right, 601 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: So this machine, which is essentially the Fed and the banks, 602 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: keeps printing money and keeps giving out money. And that's 603 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: the only reason our economy is still alive. And he said, 604 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: we're basically setting ourselves up to fail because we are. 605 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: We have seen banks selling the same securities to numerous people, 606 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: to you know, packaging them in different ways. But it's 607 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: all the same crap. And it was when he kept 608 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: saying basically, and then it came true. I mean, it's true. 609 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: He saw the writing on the wall, and again right 610 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: now he's moved to get into cryptocurrency, away from the 611 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: way banks work, the way uh economies function, the way 612 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: securities and exchanges are happening. He is signaling and saying, 613 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: we need to move away from this stuff because the 614 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: entire thing is a house of cards. It's not just 615 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: mortgage backed securities, it's everything. And he's saying that we're 616 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: going to see a major collapse and we won't be 617 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: able to get out from under it. It'll be much 618 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: worse this time. And he's basically going underground and taking 619 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: all of his money with him in the form of 620 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: precious metals and you know, cryptocurrencies, which cryptocurrencies, we've done 621 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: episodes on it before, but discussing what that really means 622 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: and how you would use it, especially in some kind 623 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: of post apocalyptic or post economic world, it's confusing to me, 624 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: but he understands it. But you can't eat gold. You 625 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: can't eat gold, but you can melt it down and 626 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: make some really pretty jewelry. Yeah, what do you think, folks? 627 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that Patrick Byrne, Patrick and Burne lost it? 628 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that he is off his rocker? As 629 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: people used to say, or do you believe that he 630 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: is onto something? And perhaps most importantly, what will happen 631 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: to him next? Also shout out to nothing but a 632 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: messenger on Instagram who wanted, Uh, Matt wanted you and 633 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: I to uh chug a leader of gravy for some reason. Yeah, 634 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: it's a it's a thing people are doing now, It's 635 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: a thing the kids are into. Is this a where? 636 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: Where is this in? What happens this? This is an Instagram? Oh? 637 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: He d M you yes, yes, nothing but a messenger 638 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: d M to me. I'm learning how this works. And 639 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to wanted to uh what wanted to convince 640 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: us to drink leaders of gravy? And I'm just not 641 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. I'm not gonna do 642 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: it all at once. But you know, I hope the 643 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: challenge goes to something, uh some worthwhile cause thanks thanks 644 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: Nothing but a messenger for letting us know that people 645 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,720 Speaker 1: drink that much gravy at once. Yeah, um, your face 646 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: right now, Matt, Well, is it brown gravy? Is it 647 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: saw mill gravy? What are we talking about here? If 648 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: we're talking like Campbell's brown can, Yeah, that's the one. Nope, 649 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: if we're gonna head on over to Cracker Barrel and 650 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: have some of their delicious white saw mill gravy, that's 651 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: mostly it's mostly flour and water. Um, I'm okay with 652 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: that available now on overstock dot com. Uh, they're only 653 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: excepting cryptocurrency maybe matt money or bend Bucks. So thanks 654 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: so much for writing to us. This ends our conversation. 655 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: This ends our episode, but not our show. You can 656 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: continue exploring this strange story of Patrick Byrne and Overstock 657 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: on our Instagram, on our Twitter, on our Facebook page. 658 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: We especially like to recommend here's where it gets crazy, 659 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: our Facebook community page with our fantastic mods. Uh. But 660 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: it's a place where you can meet our favorite part 661 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: of the show, your fellow listeners. That's right, And as 662 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: we said at the top, if you want to give 663 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: us a call, we are one eight three three st 664 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: d w y t K. Leave us your comments, your 665 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: ideas for episodes, whatever you're feeling. If you want to 666 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: sing a song that's cool, please do not record three 667 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: minutes of yourself drinking gravy noises. Uh. You know what, 668 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: if you do that, I'll be the one that listens 669 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 1: to it. We'll be okay. We'll find a to mix 670 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: it into some new theme song. Maybe I'm not sure. 671 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure anyway, and enjoy the rest of your day. Everyone, 672 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: uh please please please. If you don't feel like writing 673 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: to us, are doing anything else, send us a good 674 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: old fashioned email. 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