WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Roger McNamee 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.960 today's best minds, and Donald Trump's transition team has refused 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.560 to sign the normal ethics forms. We have such a 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.200 great show for you today the Lincoln Project Zone. Rick 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.040 Wilson talks to us about the impending disaster of the 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.759 next Trump administration. Then we will talk to Zucked author 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.000 and my friend Roger mcnamie about how tech is going 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.120 to eat us all. But first the news. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.000 So, Molly, I for one really enjoy you think about 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.320 our jobs that we get to work from home. Unfortunately, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.600 our friends who are federal employees are not going to 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.200 enjoy that anymore. What are you seeing here? 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.240 I have a lot of very naughty things to say 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:51.240 about Elin and Vivek and their very stupid fake government entity, 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.480 But I actually don't think this is that bad. But 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.120 they have called for government employees, federal employees to return 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:00.760 to five days a week in the office work weeks. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.160 I mean, these guys are going to do some bad stuff, Okay, 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.480 some real bad stuff, some real bad stuff, and we 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.840 know that because they're tweeting about it, saying things like 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.000 we're going to have to tighten our belts and suffer 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.520 in order to balance the budget and get us all 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.360 a tax cut. But this, I think is not so bad. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.840 But they do want federal employees in the office five 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.479 days a week. But hidden under that headline, I think, 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.560 and I think the real part of this that we 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.160 should talk about is that they did write an op 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.520 out in the Wall Street Journal this week. The two 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:36.880 of them and Wright is doing some heavy lifting, because 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.000 I have a feeling that neither of them wrote it. 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.440 And you'll remember the Wall Street Journal opinion section is 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.760 kind of very, very very right way. President Trump has 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.840 asked the two of us to lead a newly formed 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.080 Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE, because we love the 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:56.000 memes to get the federal government down to size. The 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:01.360 entrenched and evergrowing bureaucracy represents an existent threat to our republic. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.120 I'm not sure how that works, and politicians have abetted 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.080 it for too long. That's why we are doing it differently. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.000 We are entrepreneurs, not politicians, entrepreneurs who got rich on 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.200 government subsidies, but who's counting. We will serve as outside volunteers, 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.720 not federal officials or employees. Unlike government commissions or advisory councils. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.440 We won't just write reports or cut ribbons, will cut costs. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.160 You want to bet me a million dollars they just 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:26.560 write reports and cut ribbons. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:29.200 I'm not taking that bet. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.640 All right? Are they going to write a lot of reports? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:36.320 Some beliegue or staffer who's also a quote unquote volunteer 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:37.720 is going to write a lot of reports. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.120 But Malli, they're going to have a podcast too, Oh, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.200 I would hope. So Pete Hegsath one of Trump's many, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.959 many amazing Best People nominees. He has some questionable views 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.440 about women in the military. And I'm going to shock 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.480 you here. They're not really rooted in fact. What are 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:53.120 you seeing here? 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:59.320 So Pete Hegsas has said about women in the military. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.000 He said, the standards have been Lord, I'm straight up 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.160 saying we should not have women in combat roles. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.880 So Pete Hagsas said that. And you'll remember he is 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.960 a weekend television host. Not that there's anything wrong with 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:16.160 the weekend cable news on Fox again Donald Trump is 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:20.200 You'll remember he does love a television host because he 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:25.519 feels they are the most serious of people to serve 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.960 in administrations. Whatever Anyway, The point here is Pete Hagsas 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.280 said that women have a lower standard. There is volumeous 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.360 evidence to show that that isn't true. And when he 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.480 goes for his congressional hearing, if he gets that far, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.760 he will sit across from Tammy Duckworth, the senator from 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.640 Illinois who lost both her legs in battle. So we 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.800 shall see how he can make that case against women 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:57.480 in the military to a woman who has given everything. Jesse, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.960 Let's talk about Donald trump favorite boogeyman. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.280 I've noticed something with his nominations. There's two things in common. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.280 A lot of sexual abuse allegations and a lot of 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.680 people who have weird stories with doctors. Yes, what are 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:11.240 you seeing here? 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.840 They really really really hate woke, right, whatever woke is, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:19.000 and they're really obsessed with diversity, equity, and inclusion. Let's 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:24.640 just talk about the second. They hate diversity, equity and inclusion. Okay, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:29.520 they hate a thing that is probably like diversity. They 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:34.839 hate diversity. Imagine hating diversity. They hate equity, imagine hating equity, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:40.000 They hate inclusion including something anyway, So they hate DEI 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:44.200 and Donald Trump has said that on day one, day one, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.680 he is going to end Dei and a key figure 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.159 in Trump's anti Dei agenda is the son of immigrants, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.840 Steven Miller, who grew up in Santa Monica, and he 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.360 is white and Jewish, not entirely the same thing. He 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.080 is Jewish, just like I'm Jewish. And he feels that 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.440 people who are black have had too many advantages, and 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:12.440 so he is hoping to rollback workplace protections for Black 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.320 Americans to a degree not seen since the end of Reconstruction, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.600 which ushered in Jim Crow. Jim Crow, which was in 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.000 some ways used as a framework for someone who many 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.280 people in Donald Trump's cabinet have compared Donald Trump to 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:32.400 Adolf Hitler. We will see what happens here. It's super 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.919 upsetting to watch people get their rights taken away. But 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.760 the American voters did this, so good luck to everyone. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.240 Somali. We should also talk about what the signals of 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.479 this cabinet and this administration or saidek, what do you see? 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.919 They are sending signals, and the signals are that me 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.839 too is no longer. This is a really interesting piece 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:59.360 by Jill Philipovich about how it is the Donald Trump's 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.760 sexual cabinet. Trump's second term is shaping up to platform 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.120 even more men who have been incredibly abusive sexual assault 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.479 and harassment. You've got Matt Gates who's now out, who 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.400 has now dropped out and is now spending his time 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.720 doing cameos, which we're not advertising his cameos, We're just 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:19.839 saying that's true. You've got Pete Hagsith. You've got the 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:25.760 sexual abuse issues, the lawsuit that has focused on the WWE, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.719 which is co owned by Linda McMahon, and she was 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.080 actually named in one of these lawsuits. Here, there and everywhere. 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:37.280 RFK Junior has numerous allegations of all sorts of stuff 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.760 that's not okay. Look, they're normalizing what Trump considers to 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.000 be normal, and none of us should be surprised by 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:43.360 any of this. 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:44.599 Strong a grief. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.200 Rick Wilson is the founder of the Lincoln Project and 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:55.360 the host of the Enemy's List. 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:59.920 Rick Wilson, Mollie john Fast, Welcome to Thanksgiving Week. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.880 It's Sunday, so we must be podcasting. I want to 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.640 air the petty grievances. Nextgiving makes me know it's time 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.040 to air the petty grievances. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.200 Wish those grievances out and get to it all right. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.960 So my pettiest grievance is that I wrote this whole 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.960 I think very smart essay. If I do say so myself, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:19.760 which I do. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.640 Which I retreated or re exed or whatever the right it's. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.800 Called yes, yes to all the bots and elon about 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.360 how I was wrong about some fundamental premises about the 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.640 twenty twenty for election. Right, I thought, oh, this will 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.680 be followed by a plethora of other people going on 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.480 about how they were wrong about the twenty twenty four election. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.760 You know what I found. I was greeted with no 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:44.400 one else. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.240 You know what. Let me just say this. There is 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:53.440 a degree of post election duchiness that manifests itself across 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.840 four or five different axes and domains. Number one is 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.440 the sorest winner syndrome, with every mob out there, Right. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.840 They won, but they're still not happy. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:09.240 Right, this election is all about free speech? Shut up liberal. Yeah, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.080 that's a big set. I have a fraction of progressives 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.760 who are like, if only we had declared we would 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.440 seize the means of production, we would have won. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.080 But they are not nearly as of notch as. Oh god, no, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.880 tell me the other groups you think. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.560 There's also some practical types who are like, oh, if 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.520 only we'd done more of this or that mechanical thing, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.800 and it's always the mechanical thing their group does best. Right, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.640 only we've gone out for more turnout among dog owners. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.480 Okay, right, right, But. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.160 The entire the entire post election. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.000 Wait, we're not going to mention the never trumpers here. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.240 I love We're getting it, We're getting to it, We're 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.920 getting to it. But the whole dream that is dead. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.720 That Look, I will say this, I'll take some creditae. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.360 I'm an early adopter of abandoning the full Republican thing 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.680 because it was never coming back. I said it in 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.120 twenty eighteen. It was never coming back. But there were 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.400 a lot of people who were hopeful that, you know, 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.920 we would be able to motivate a larger number, and 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:04.560 we got about we got a little more than we 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.199 did last time, but it wasn't enough to offset all 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.480 the new people he's brought into the Republican Party, most 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.280 of whom you know, are are not shall we say, 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.480 folks deeply read in Burke Kirk, Buckley, et cetera, and 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.000 are instead like I want to kill all them pedophiles 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.800 and send them Mexicans back. That's their Republican Party. So 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.240 the idea that we could somehow and that's two degree 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.959 groups like ours, like Sarah Longwells, like other folks. It's 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.080 a dead issue now, and you got to get over 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.800 wanting to have the Republican Party back now. And again, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.800 I've been a very early adopter on that for a 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.720 very long time, Like not long after the first my 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.560 first book came out. I was like, Oh, it's not 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.880 going to work. We're not getting that party back. But 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.040 people who wanted that party back it's gone now. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.400 I want to also point out, and again I actually 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.000 thought that the Liz Cheney thing was smart, but actually 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.480 it turns out that it may have hurt her with 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.160 the base. Did you see this data for Pride Progress polling. 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:02.320 I haven't seen it. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.280 No, So Data for Progress is not without its foibles 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.160 and without it's you know, it is left leaning. And 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.199 what might want to get to. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.520 This if by leaning you mean so far it's practically perpendicular, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.720 but yes, go on, whatever it is. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.640 It's left leaning, and that makes you a little bit upset. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:30.040 But among Pennsylvania and Michigan, independence, messages about Harris's economic 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:35.160 platform perform better than messages touting her support from former 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:36.840 Republican congress women. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.120 Well, of course, this is like saying would you like 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:44.240 the would you like the cuttlefish or the vanilla paste? 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.720 Which one do you want? Because I don't want either 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.640 of those vanilla paste. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.600 It's a self park joke. It's a self park centipede joke. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.160 What I'm saying here is that is one of those 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.240 logical constructs that isn't really the point. You can have 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:03.440 things simultaneously in politics. You could appeal to more moderate 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.920 conservative voters while having a strong economic policy. And so 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.160 the vast majority of her ad load, of her communications load, 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.200 was not about Liz Cheney or Republicans. The vast majority, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.160 I would say, probably back of the envelope, somewhere around 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.360 a five percent of it was about a better deal 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.920 for Americans, fair deal for Americans, you know, the child 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:29.240 tax credit, all the things that she was rightly I 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.719 thought emphasizing in her campaign. There are a lot of 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.840 progressives right now who are done to desperately try to say, well, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.160 what we really didn't get was enough progressive progressivism in 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.440 a progressive country. But in case anybody missed the fucking notes, 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.160 this is not a progressive country. Look it wasn't even 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:46.760 as progressive as I modeled. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.559 Okay, explain this again. 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.000 This country is very much center right, right, Maybe I 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.120 have to go with the data, and the data tells 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.400 me very clearly that the country was not moved with 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.520 sufficient numbers by the core messaging that people had hoped. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.640 It wasn't moved any degree. You know, we had we 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.880 had a bunch of states that voted for pro choice 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.640 amendments and still elected Donald Trump. That looked like the 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.640 killer app and everybody's pulling mine and everybody else's and 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.280 it wasn't. It wasn't. The economic pain argument was one 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.960 that was that was more easily dismissed by folks on 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.280 the left and the center. We were like, okay, yeah, 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.520 the economy's fine, it's getting better. It was bad for 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.559 a while, it's back, but it wasn't in the minds 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.280 of the voters that came out. And remember, he activated 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.520 less likely voters at a level that no one could 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:35.319 have anticipated. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.280 No, no, I know. And he did the same thing 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.880 he did in twenty sixteen and in twenty twenty, and 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.200 we kept under astrmating him. But I just want to 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:47.400 point out economic populism technically should be the base of 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.400 the Democratic Party. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.160 Well, here's the problem the Democratic Party to and for 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.800 a ton of reasons, not not related to the campaign, 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.120 but to the culture and to the disinformation matrix that's 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.400 out there and to Fox everything else. What the country 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.520 hears when they hear democratic economic policy, they hear one message, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.760 which is smart guys will tell you how to live. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.160 Welcome to communism. That's what they hear from Fox every day. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.360 It's not true, it's not true, but it's what they 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.000 hear over and over and over and over again. Donald 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.600 Trump says, I'm going to fuck people who you hate, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.959 and I'm going to throw the Mexicans out, and I'm 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.559 gonna screw the Chinese over. None of it's true. None 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.880 of it will work. It will be an economic disaster 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.720 and a moral disaster. But we have to admit to 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.680 ourselves that the country is not what we think it 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.760 is or want it to be. A lot of the time, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.679 this country is not as good as we hoped it 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.400 was on a lot of fronts. And I hate saying that. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.240 Again. Here's my hottest take. I don't agree. First of all, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.079 I think a lot of people just felt that he 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.720 spoke to them and they liked him, and they didn't 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.520 necessarily think like, for example, they did not necessarily believe 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.520 that he was going to do I mean, this was 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.280 a thing we saw again and again. They didn't believe 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.960 he was going to do the bad stuff for some reason, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.839 and they just didn't think. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.440 I have not seen a lot of polling that says 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.680 that they didn't believe he would not do the bad stuff. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.600 I have seen a lot of polling that says they 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.960 want him to do mass deportations and that they want 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.280 him to do a jillion percent tariffs against the jinas, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.760 the China's not the vaginas. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.000 Yeah, yeah, I got it. 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.480 But I have seen them express this desire for the 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.320 things he was selling. And I'm trying to not give 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:31.120 America like an extra break here by saying, oh, well, 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.840 obviously they didn't think. They thought he was joking, he 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.760 didn't really mean mass deportations. I find that to be 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.880 a dangerous area for us to go into, to not 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.200 take him seriously and literally. That's the old joke, you know, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.560 you don't take Trump seriously or. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.920 Literally, right. I mean, it doesn't matter what they wanted, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.320 because they're going to get Project twenty twenty. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.320 Five and they're going to get it good and hard. Yeah. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.760 Yeah, so let's talk about what that looks like. We got, 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.880 we got my body and he's now body. Let me 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.160 tell you he's really not my buddy Russ Vaught. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.080 Oh yeah, the great Russ Vought running OMBA. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.120 And for those of you playing at home, give. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.160 Us the TLDR on that guy running the Office of 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.200 Management the budget is he's the guy who will be 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.520 able to look down at great with great granularity, into 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.280 the various departments and say, oh, you have a program. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:27.240 Here that might somehow hypothetically relate to climate change. By 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.320 it's gone. If you don't think Russ Vought and Vivic 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.520 and Elon will be swap and spit every day and 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.960 taking long showers together to plot out how to best 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.360 fuck the American people. That is the guy who's going 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:40.920 to push the actual buttons to. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.720 Do it right. I think it's important to mention that 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:50.200 the vac Russ Vaught is like, is a heritage guy, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.400 is a He's a Republican donor guy. He is like 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:59.160 going to really run this admin. The Veke and Elon 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.200 have a fake job. Now, whether or not they can 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.360 do anything with that fake job. We don't know, but 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.760 the the Department of DOGE is largely a meme. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.000 It is largely a meme. But if they have a 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.360 relationship with a guy like Russvott, who already has plans. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.560 By the way, he will also be pointing those idiots 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.320 in the direction of targets that he's already identified in 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.600 Project twenty twenty five. So he's going to say, oh, well, 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.360 we've gone through the budget line items of every department, 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.680 and here in the Department of Commerce is a DEI program, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.680 or here in the EPA is a climate program, or 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.080 here in Health and Human Services is something that LGBTQ 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.000 folks benefit from. He's going to already tell them, and 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.400 then they'll make it. Then Elon will go, why are 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.200 we paying for lesbian loot players and the HI just 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.000 budget or whatever fantasy bullshit he makes up, right, And 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.360 so then you know, it's sort of a fiendish circle. 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.000 Vaught and his types will identify the targets they've already 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.600 set up for execution. Elon and Vivek will make it 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.600 a giant public screen match. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.720 And do you know who serves as their congressional attache. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:05.760 I do not. 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.919 I can't believe I get to be the one to 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:13.080 tell you this, like, I do not know this. Taylor 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.919 Green is going toal subcommittee. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.119 Now I will say this, Molly, that actually kind of 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.119 makes me feel better. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.919 Right. Well, that's what AOC said too. She was like, 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.240 you know, she's never done the reading once in her life. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:27.480 So good luck to all of you. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.679 Look, I have to say the President can do a lot, okay, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.840 but the Department of the Office of the Management of 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.320 the Budget still operates under a number of different areas 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.800 of congressional control. And those areas of congressional control are 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.680 set down in law and set down in the Constitution. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:52.600 They appropriate that money, Okay, that is how it's done. Okay, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.000 they authorize and appropriate that money. That is how it's done. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.960 So one of the things that's going to happen here 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.040 really quickly is going to discover that every government program 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:06.399 is spread out among all fifty seven states or eighty 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.320 one of Floria. Trump numbers fifty seven states and territories 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.359 in this great country. Right. So when they say, oh, well, 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.399 I'll give you a good example. Elon wants to get 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.960 rid of the rocket that competes with His rocket doesn't 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.600 really compete very well, but Boeing has this rocket, right, 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.359 So he's going to say, oh, well, we've got to 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.720 get rid of the Boeing whatever SLS, whatever it's called, right, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.680 and we want to kill that program. The Margie Taylor 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.320 Green's going to discover that in her district they make 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.200 some sort of fucking part for that and it employs 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.040 eighteen people and they're paid one hundred and twenty five 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.240 thousand dollars a year each, And that happens across the nation. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.840 They're going to run into the critical reality wall of 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.480 government spending, which is that government spending happens everywhere. They're 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.200 going to also run into the wall that you could 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.840 cut every discretionary program out there. You could cut the 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.159 EPA and h justin commerce and everything else down to 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.080 the bone. Okay, cut it to the bone. You could 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.359 cut the Pentagon budget in half, and you know what, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:02.400 you still have gigantic debt service and four big social 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:07.720 programs that they're not going to get rid of. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.679 and the sub category there disability, which has been the 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.800 one that's exploding. And guess what if you draw a 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.000 map down Appalachia and the Deep South, that's where disability 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:18.560 is happening. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.280 Well also, you know disability. We just went through COVID. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.720 I mean, I feel like what I'm always struck by 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.199 by how insane this next admin is going to be 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.160 is they've learned lessons from COVID, but they've learned all 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.080 the wrong lessons, right right, So they were like, a 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.240 million people died and it's because we had vaccine mandates. 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.520 Right No, no, no, no, that's not why a million 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.800 people died. I mean, and it's just like every you know, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.879 it's like watching a slow motion car wreck. But I 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.359 actually haven't thought I want you to talk about for 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.879 a minute because I think this is the thing that 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:58.560 is so weird to me. These people, Vivek and Elon 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.919 are obsessed with technology, right right, These people are RFK Junior. 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.680 They all hate science. Make it make sense, Well. 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.960 They hate a science that somehow identifies in the world 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.760 that there are social factors that exist. So they hated 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.960 the fact that there were mask mandates because there was 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.680 an argument. Correct, I still believe that it would diminish 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.480 in some way, even at the margins, the spread of COVID, 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.760 But they felt like that was the government telling them 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.280 what to do. Now, They're fine telling one what to 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.639 do with her vagina, but they're not fine with the 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.159 government saying you should inoculate your or you should vaccinate 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:36.440 your kids from measles, mumps, rebellodip theoria, teennis, and polio. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:39.560 Part of it's like this strange San Francisco Bay Silicon 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.320 Valley WU inflected thing. They believe in engineering more than 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.280 they believe in science, because science can tell you things 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.080 about the bigger societal picture than just engineering can. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.600 Yeah, I guess that's the only answer. But it just 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.600 seems to me like if you love technology, you should 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.080 at least have a nodding as to science. 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.200 You know, look, you ought to, it would be great. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.240 But they let me give you another part of what's 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:11.439 happening here. There is a belief among this broligarchy, David 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.119 Sachs and Bill Ackman and Elon Musk and Vivek and 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:17.320 all these other people in a lot of ways that 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.960 they will be the holders of all wisdom and approaches 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:21.840 to how things are. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.000 Done right because they're smarter than everyone else, because somehow 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.919