Speaker 1: On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women
Speaker 1: and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zeph and Best
Speaker 1: start changing with the Bechdel Cast.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin, I have had it with these
Speaker 2: motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking podcast.
Speaker 1: I wish I had a snake really like that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I have a snake tank.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went through my snake face and then I
Speaker 1: just it turns out I'm afraid of snakes.
Speaker 2: I too, am afraid of snakes. I would not want
Speaker 2: one as a pet personally.
Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Maggie Maye, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a loose episode, but it's also gonna be a very
Speaker 1: serious episode.
Speaker 2: It's so serious.
Speaker 1: Don't underestimate how much text there is to discuss. Maggie
Speaker 1: may Fish front of the show has a snake, yes,
Speaker 1: and her snake outgrew the tank, which is a terrifying prospect.
Speaker 1: IUSSI believe your snake is named Jeff. That's in which
Speaker 1: I think is very cute.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Jeff a snake and she was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: Jeff outgrew the tank. If you want, if you want
Speaker 1: the old tank, and so I still have the tank.
Speaker 1: I still but now it's like I have two cats
Speaker 1: and adult you know, like, am I really gonna add
Speaker 1: a snake into the mix? It just feels like a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a big apartment. According to the
Speaker 2: movie where watching we're discussing today might be dangerous, it
Speaker 2: might be a little scary.
Speaker 1: I was honestly, Okay, first of all, welcome to the
Speaker 1: Bechdel Cast. This is uh, this is in like sort
Speaker 1: of for like content warning, and just like I just
Speaker 1: want everyone to sort of prepare themselves for like a
Speaker 1: sort of serious episode today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of like just upsetting things to discuss.
Speaker 2: There's a lot it's yeah, things are gonna be a
Speaker 2: little grim yeah today.
Speaker 1: And it's it's gonna be you know, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: feel good. But I think it's a conversation that I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's over correction to apologize, but
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been avoiding this conversation in a
Speaker 1: way that is irresponsible to our listener base, who like,
Speaker 1: we appreciate and we care about you so much, and
Speaker 1: like you've been asking us to sort of speak to this,
Speaker 1: and we were just like trying to get the words together.
Speaker 2: And it's, yeah, we we should not have been silent
Speaker 2: on this matter, this matter being discussing the movie Snakes
Speaker 2: on a Plane two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and six. I'm like, I don't I'm like, how long?
Speaker 1: How long do we keep it up?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh, I should not be laughing. He sound like
Speaker 2: you're truk serious.
Speaker 1: It's not funny.
Speaker 2: It's not funny.
Speaker 1: So I guess to open with an apology, and it
Speaker 1: came from a place of kind of I agree with
Speaker 1: the criticism that said that it was coming from a
Speaker 1: place of fear and avoidance on our point, but in
Speaker 1: our defense, I think it was also like, yeah, when
Speaker 1: people started asking us to comment on this, I don't
Speaker 1: think we knew ourselves well enough to really be able
Speaker 1: to intelligently say, like, if we had done this, even
Speaker 1: you know, three or four years ago, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been able to see the shades of gray in the text.
Speaker 1: I would have gotten it all wrong.
Speaker 2: Maybe even three or four months ago. Like there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of growth recently on our parts. I don't
Speaker 2: even know.
Speaker 1: If we could have seen the snakes three or four
Speaker 1: of months ago, the movie would have been really confusing
Speaker 1: if we saw the.
Speaker 2: Movie is called Snakes on a Plane, but I don't
Speaker 2: see right. But now we know what is there, and
Speaker 2: what's there is snakes on a plane, and certainly.
Speaker 1: More than one.
Speaker 2: There's plural snakes a lot.
Speaker 1: I was genuinely shocked to find that there were four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty real snakes on set.
Speaker 2: Because to me, they're all cgi.
Speaker 1: I saw one shot of a I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a snake, and then the rest were yeah, like,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. My final animation project in college of
Speaker 1: a snake going hasasa. That's this, Uh, of course this movie.
Speaker 2: Look, you asked for it, Well, that's the other thing, Like,
Speaker 2: this is our number one request. Yes, this is at
Speaker 2: the top of our request list. I think every listener
Speaker 2: at one point has requested, nay demanded, we do this movie.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think, and it's honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: for those wondering, in case it's not obvious, this is
Speaker 1: part of the reason we like the show even exists.
Speaker 2: I approached Jamie like, yeah, eight and a half nine
Speaker 2: years ago whatever, and I was like, yeah, it's really
Speaker 2: important to me. Like we're not going to be ready
Speaker 2: to do it for a long time, but it's like
Speaker 2: having having the foresight to know that like this needs
Speaker 2: to be discussed through an intersectional feminist lens, and that
Speaker 2: we have to just sort of build up, build up
Speaker 2: our brand, yeah, build up our knowledge, and get to
Speaker 2: a point where we can discuss this movie.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of like, honestly taken aback at
Speaker 1: the time, where you know, you led the conversation by
Speaker 1: being like, I have not heard anyone talk about intersectional
Speaker 1: feminism in which is wild because we didn't even really
Speaker 1: use that term then, but yeah, intersectional feminism in the
Speaker 1: movie Snakes on a plane, right, And I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: well we should try to talk about it. And then
Speaker 1: you said well and then you put your hand on mine,
Speaker 1: which was was you didn't ask for consent. But it
Speaker 1: was twenty sixteen. We were still figured stuff up.
Speaker 2: Well, Jamie not, you know, we were viving the signals,
Speaker 2: were there were signals you're vibing.
Speaker 1: We were look, I'm not I'm not calling you. I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it.
Speaker 2: For a second.
Speaker 1: Thank you, But yeah, you put your hand on mine
Speaker 1: and you said, well, I don't think we're going to
Speaker 1: be ready to talk about snakes on a plane for
Speaker 1: at least eight years. And I was kind of taken
Speaker 1: aback because that's a big commitment. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't regret a second of it. I think that
Speaker 1: we needed every single second to get to where we
Speaker 1: are now, so that we I mean, honestly, I think
Speaker 1: we could have taken even longer, but it was just
Speaker 1: you know, our inboxes are overflowing. They're like now more
Speaker 1: than ever, please please talk about it. And I think
Speaker 1: it's time. I think it's time that we talk about
Speaker 1: it's times.
Speaker 2: And the other thing about it too is that like,
Speaker 2: because this whole podcast has been leading up to this,
Speaker 2: there's like really not much reason for us to go on.
Speaker 2: So this will be our last episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so if you've been a listener for you know,
Speaker 1: the better part of a decade now, like we're so
Speaker 1: grateful for your support for your patients with us as
Speaker 1: we continue to grow to a point where we could
Speaker 1: finally have this discussion, and.
Speaker 2: We're grateful and were snake ful. That was not a
Speaker 2: very good joke, but again, this is a very serious episode.
Speaker 1: I think it's you need levity in an episode like this,
Speaker 1: That's true, true, I feel like I'm on the verge
Speaker 1: of tears. But you know, for old times sake, if
Speaker 1: you're a first time listener, this is the perfect episode
Speaker 1: of this show to start with.
Speaker 2: This is the Bechdel caste sorry again, sorry to laugh.
Speaker 1: It's a response to fear. It's exactly wild that people
Speaker 1: aren't laughing more in the movies. Snakes up way, I
Speaker 1: think I do mean that. But the Bechdel Cast it's
Speaker 1: a show where we look at your favorite movies, you know,
Speaker 1: using the Bechdel test as a jumping off point for discussion. Kaitlyn,
Speaker 1: I mean just as a sendoff, would like the folks
Speaker 1: at home know what that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't modify it a little bit for the
Speaker 2: sake of this episode. So the Bechdel tests, there are
Speaker 2: many versions of it. For this episode in particular, do
Speaker 2: to snakes hiss at each other about something other than
Speaker 2: another snake, and it has to be a really significant
Speaker 2: like hiss for it to pass. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I felt like, you know, by that matric,
Speaker 1: and shockingly by even more conventional metrics. This movie does
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel's House and more than once, which was frankly.
Speaker 2: Shocking, so shocking.
Speaker 1: But I do I feel ready to I just feel ready.
Speaker 1: I feel ready to jump in.
Speaker 2: Well, what's your what's your relationship with this movie? Jamie?
Speaker 1: Nothing. I have no history of this movie. I remember
Speaker 1: that it came out on my birthday when I was
Speaker 1: in middle school. WHOA, yeah, it just came out on
Speaker 1: August eighteenth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it did.
Speaker 1: It came out on my birthday in middle school, and
Speaker 1: I remember wanting to see it, but unfortunately I was
Speaker 1: in middle school and I could not go see it.
Speaker 1: And I just remember, I don't know if I like
Speaker 1: held it against the movie, but I never saw it.
Speaker 1: Like I was just like, fuck this movie. I'm thirteen,
Speaker 1: I can't go. And it's always like I feel like
Speaker 1: I always remember when a movie, especially when I was young,
Speaker 1: came out on my birthday, Because The Master of Disguise
Speaker 1: came out on my birthday, The Iron Giant came out
Speaker 1: on my birthday, Snakes on a Plane came out on
Speaker 1: my birthday. You just remember, you know, when your birthdays
Speaker 1: on a Friday. These are things that stick. Do you
Speaker 1: remember a specific movie coming out on your birthday.
Speaker 2: I think the movie Troy WHOA Okay came out on
Speaker 2: my birthday, but I might be full of shit. Let
Speaker 2: me see Troy release date. Oh it was closed. It
Speaker 2: was May fourteenth, Okay, two thousand and four. There you go,
Speaker 2: so a few days off, but it's like it came out.
Speaker 1: The week and you just remember, especially when you're too
Speaker 1: young to see the movie. This was the ultimate example
Speaker 1: of this for me, because you know, did The Master
Speaker 1: of Disguise come out at least close to my birthday? Yes,
Speaker 1: but I was the Targe audience and so I could go.
Speaker 1: But Snake's on a Plane, Yeah, I just had never
Speaker 1: seen it.
Speaker 2: And well, I think another reason you were avoiding it
Speaker 2: probably is because it is such a heavy text and you.
Speaker 1: Could sense that from the marketing, and so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, probably you know, I love my parents, They
Speaker 1: were great parents, and I think they were probably like,
Speaker 1: she's not ready, And honestly, at that time they may
Speaker 1: not have been ready to see I mean fair what
Speaker 1: took place. I will say, this is my first experience
Speaker 1: with Snakes on a Plane. I was really genuinely interested
Speaker 1: in the like micro lore around this movie that I
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of because it's like, yeah, my other podcast
Speaker 1: is all about internet history, and this movie was is
Speaker 1: way more entrenched in like early two thousands internet history
Speaker 1: than I realized, and in fact, like content in the
Speaker 1: movie is influenced by how people talked about this movie
Speaker 1: on the Internet, which I can't I'm sure that there
Speaker 1: are examples, but I can't think of an example pre
Speaker 1: dating this where it was like the movie got such
Speaker 1: hype on the Internet that they went back and did
Speaker 1: five days of reshoots to reflect that hype, which is
Speaker 1: like the level of insecurity that must require I can't conceive.
Speaker 1: But at the time, I'm sure it made sense of
Speaker 1: like because you know, in the mid two thousands, they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, if we you know, capitulate to fan desires,
Speaker 1: this movie's going to do great. And that mentality happens
Speaker 1: to this day. It's why the last Star Wars movie
Speaker 1: was bad. I'm pretty sure, right, it's because people just like,
Speaker 1: you know, all the Star Wars people read Reddit boards
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, let's just do that, and like,
Speaker 1: but Snake's on a Plane is a great case study
Speaker 1: that that does not work. But I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed learning about the fact that this movie exists.
Speaker 1: I really, I mean there and it is an interesting
Speaker 1: like it's really two thousand and six. It's just two
Speaker 1: thousand and six. Boy is it always good and bad?
Speaker 1: And ways I can finally see after you know, doing
Speaker 1: the show for a decade, I like, I can really
Speaker 1: get into the meat of this right. And look, we
Speaker 1: were talking about this before we started recording. If the
Speaker 1: goal of a movie is to be entertaining, this is
Speaker 1: the best movie in the world, because there is not
Speaker 1: a second where I wasn't like i' it really took
Speaker 1: me back to I'm trying to remember. I think it
Speaker 1: was like Taken was the last time that I felt
Speaker 1: like this watching a movie for the first time because
Speaker 1: I was in but I was in a full theater.
Speaker 1: I saw Taken when it came out.
Speaker 2: Brag.
Speaker 1: But you know where whenever something happened, you would just
Speaker 1: be like what, like, you know, would you say you
Speaker 1: were taken?
Speaker 2: Aback?
Speaker 1: I was taken in?
Speaker 2: Were you snaken a back?
Speaker 1: I was? I was snaken in? I was snaken the back?
Speaker 1: I was snaken to another place?
Speaker 2: Can you snake me higher?
Speaker 1: You win?
Speaker 2: You win, you win, that's you win. Remember that Creed
Speaker 2: song I do.
Speaker 1: Uh wow, now we're really in two thousand and six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like watching this at home on Peacock at one
Speaker 1: am is how this movie is best watched outside of
Speaker 1: in a full theater. In two thousand and six, I
Speaker 1: had the best time watching this damn movie.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad to hear that. Because I was watching it,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, I I might owe Jamie
Speaker 2: an apology for insisting not necessary do this. But I
Speaker 2: was only doing it because because all the listeners again
Speaker 2: demanded we we cover this. It had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with my personal no desire to cover this.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, and I but no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: know I think that it's it was brave of you
Speaker 1: to because I took some convincing. But I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that we finally took the leap. What's your
Speaker 1: history with Snakes a Plane?
Speaker 2: I saw this movie in theaters jealous in two thousand
Speaker 2: and six. I went with my best friend at and
Speaker 2: oh boy, we we just had quite a time, and
Speaker 2: we had an even better time. I think with the
Speaker 2: credits song the.
Speaker 1: Wait tell me more, basically just.
Speaker 2: That we would play it all the time, okay, and
Speaker 2: kind of your I Frankensteed, Yeah, it might be. I
Speaker 2: watched the video to the Cobra Starship song Oh my God,
Speaker 2: that was written for this movie, and the song is
Speaker 2: called Snakes on a Plane parentheses bring it. I think
Speaker 2: I should know because I listened to it. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I just thought it was the best song of
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, and I watched the music video
Speaker 2: on repeat. I also had like a crush everybody in
Speaker 2: the video.
Speaker 1: Wait, what was the music video? Like I this is Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm out of my depth here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I have not seen the to you
Speaker 2: to make sure they start.
Speaker 1: Playing music video? Should I pull it up?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe it is. Basically I watch it's four members
Speaker 2: of Cobra Starship.
Speaker 1: Uh, and what was their big was their big hit?
Speaker 1: Good Girls Go Bad? Or Am I thinking of a
Speaker 1: different I make them good?
Speaker 2: Literally only know about this band in relation to this song.
Speaker 1: I'm right. Oh, I kind of hate that. I'm right.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, they did Good Girls Go Bad?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, the music video is just the members of
Speaker 2: the ban because I think there's been various members of
Speaker 2: this musical group. The Ones featured in the music video
Speaker 2: is Gabe Support of William Beckett of the Academy, is
Speaker 2: Traviy McCoy of Jim Class Here.
Speaker 1: Oh, Travy McCoy. Yeah, sorry, I love Taving McCoy.
Speaker 2: And then Maya iverson of the sounds. Not familiar with
Speaker 2: that group, but anyway, it's like this amalgamation of different
Speaker 2: musicians from different other bands.
Speaker 1: And then I'm oh, so it's Cobra Starship is a supergroup.
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't. I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it either.
Speaker 1: I just knew they were on like the Gossip Girl
Speaker 1: sidetrack or something. Okay, so I'm watching it on mute
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I'm getting the side part vibes, the
Speaker 1: side part vibes, the wallet chains. Yeah, everyone's killing it. Wow.
Speaker 1: I love young Travy McCoy. I don't know anything about
Speaker 1: him from the last fifteen years. Hopefully he is in
Speaker 1: a bad person, but you know, with two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: we just don't know.
Speaker 2: We just simply we just don't know. Anyway. Wait, this
Speaker 2: music video is fun and the song slaps so hard.
Speaker 1: All the outfits are so ugly. Everyone, I mean It's
Speaker 1: so wild looking back to it, because like, just this
Speaker 1: whole decade is just full of some of the most rancid,
Speaker 1: bizarro ways you could possibly dress up a person. I
Speaker 1: look at pictures of myself in high school, and I
Speaker 1: was like, why do I look older than I currently am?
Speaker 1: Like I was wearing you know, like sensible vests, but
Speaker 1: also like a push up bra that was like lying
Speaker 1: to a degree that was absurd. Like I it was
Speaker 1: I had like really overplugged eyebrows, but also yet a
Speaker 1: sensible mother's haircut. I'm like, what is this? Like, what
Speaker 1: is this? Why do I look forty five and yet
Speaker 1: I'm you know, fifteen. It's bizarre.
Speaker 2: It was a confusing time. Yeah, and all this to say,
Speaker 2: I saw this, I would call it a cinematic masterpiece
Speaker 2: in theaters and I really just felt the weight of it.
Speaker 2: And I've been carrying that weight around for and it's
Speaker 2: time to following nineteen years.
Speaker 1: It's time to you know, release.
Speaker 2: Really, this episode's gonna be very cathartic. It's gonna finally
Speaker 2: give me that chance to release, to release the venom
Speaker 2: that has been coursing through my veins from this movie
Speaker 2: for nineteen years.
Speaker 1: Which in the movie I associate with Venom. Is that
Speaker 1: horrible Eminem song that he did for the credits of
Speaker 1: the movie Venom, a movie I haven't seen, but I
Speaker 1: think that the end like like you with this song,
Speaker 1: the end credit song by Eminem to Veminem is so
Speaker 1: funny because it is eighty percent him being He goes
Speaker 1: like venim meim met him, met him, and that's like
Speaker 1: most of the song.
Speaker 2: I need to listen to this.
Speaker 1: It just cracks me up. It was on the radio
Speaker 1: for forty five seconds because it was like one of
Speaker 1: the most annoying because you know, and it's like an
Speaker 1: Eminem He's like, look out because I'm gonna hit you.
Speaker 1: Look out because I am scary. And then wait, the
Speaker 1: most half assed song I've ever heard in my life
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: Okay, consider this Eminem vmin M Venomon.
Speaker 1: Vanomenamminemm venomin m Yeah, venomenon.
Speaker 2: Pretty cool.
Speaker 1: All right, we can end the show now we figured
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: Goodbye.
Speaker 1: So okay, you have a kind of beautiful connection with
Speaker 1: this movie, I would say, so it does seem like
Speaker 1: you and JT. Artist snakes in a plane as me
Speaker 1: and my friend Jake are to I Frankenstein in a way.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you rewatched it very much?
Speaker 2: No? This that was my only time seeing it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I guess that's the difference. That's maybe the
Speaker 1: difference since I've seen I forgot Sam probably twenty ten. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but this, I mean, I'm excited to talk about the
Speaker 1: history of this movie, but it is such a dense
Speaker 1: text that I feel like, you know, we should probably
Speaker 1: just get into it. Get into it. Yeah. This movie
Speaker 1: was also originally called Venom.
Speaker 2: It was, and then it got changed to some like
Speaker 2: clunky title like Pacific Airways Flight one twenty one, and
Speaker 2: then Samuel L. Jackson demanded that they change it back
Speaker 2: to Snakes on a Plane because that was the working title,
Speaker 2: which was like, I love that, surely going to get changed,
Speaker 2: and then he was like, no, you motherfuckers, change it
Speaker 2: back to snakes on a Plane.
Speaker 1: And it's also Samuel Jackson's uh not fault accomplishment that
Speaker 1: this movie is are not PG. Thirteen because he's like,
Speaker 1: there cannot be a single there can't be just one
Speaker 1: fuck in this movie. Because I need to say this
Speaker 1: line I love like I because the way I'd seen
Speaker 1: this movie framed in I don't even know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't even single out a specific moment, but it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a fun, campy kind of flop moment
Speaker 1: for Sam Jackson. But when I heard him talk about it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he knows exactly what he's doing. And he
Speaker 1: was just like, it's a B movie and it's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you're like yeah, and then you watch it and
Speaker 1: you're like, that's exactly what this is. This movie knows
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. Yes, no one here thinks they're
Speaker 1: in a better movie than they're in.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean, because it's the best
Speaker 2: movie ever made.
Speaker 1: But they all think they're in Citizen Kane, and they are.
Speaker 1: It's what I'm saying, Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a quick break, a quick snake break.
Speaker 2: Ooh scary, and we'll be right back. Okay, we're back
Speaker 2: from our snake break, and here is the recap of
Speaker 2: snakes on a plane. We open in Hawaii. There's a
Speaker 2: dude riding around on a motocross bike and he comes
Speaker 2: upon a man who's hanging upside down from a tree.
Speaker 2: He's all bloodied, and some bad guy, including a famous mobster,
Speaker 2: named Eddie kim Okay.
Speaker 1: I already have so much to say because this first scene,
Speaker 1: I was already like, this is gonna be so such
Speaker 1: an awesome movie to watch because it is the first
Speaker 1: ten minutes well, I don't even know. The first five
Speaker 1: minutes of this movie is just.
Speaker 2: Motocross, motocross and surfing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're like, and I guess the sort of
Speaker 1: question is who is that. I was like, if this
Speaker 1: is Sam Jackson, I'm gonna freak out. But it wasn't him.
Speaker 1: It's actually some guy who I will refer to throughout
Speaker 1: the episode as not James Marston, because to me, it
Speaker 1: is very clear that that was the vibe they were
Speaker 1: going for. James Marsden and James Marson weirdly would have
Speaker 1: been a good pick at this time for that role
Speaker 1: because he was doing like some prestige supporting like you know, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the second in command to Sam Jackson, Like it
Speaker 1: would have made sense for him. Maybe he read it
Speaker 1: and was like no, no, he might.
Speaker 2: Have read the script and he's like, this is actually
Speaker 2: too good. I will not do it justice and I
Speaker 2: should just step away.
Speaker 1: I should give it to some Australian guy, which is
Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know who can
Speaker 1: account for what happened. I love that part of the
Speaker 1: reason Sam Jackson did this movie is because he did
Speaker 1: not read the script.
Speaker 2: You agreed to it based on the title.
Speaker 1: He did based on the title and the director who
Speaker 1: did not end up directing it, So he kind of
Speaker 1: got hoodwinked into doing this. But okay, the first scene,
Speaker 1: the amount of expositional dialogue, which is like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things to see in a B movie. I
Speaker 1: watched the first the opening scene twice because, first of all,
Speaker 1: this Australian actor Nathan Phillips. I don't know anything about him.
Speaker 2: I hope you know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, but he's a you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know a thing about him. But consistently throughout
Speaker 1: this movie, I don't know if they this actor has
Speaker 1: difficulty looking scared, but he never seems scared enough for me.
Speaker 1: Like he sees a horrific like a guy falls from
Speaker 1: a bridge and he goes like that is it, And
Speaker 1: that's about like the peak of fear that this performance has.
Speaker 1: But anyways, okay, Eddie Kim comes in, Eddie Kim, as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, batting a hundred oh yeah for
Speaker 1: the few times we see him, the guy hanging from
Speaker 1: the bridge upside down and says, fuck you, Eddie Kim.
Speaker 1: You're always gonna want to address your assault or by
Speaker 1: their full government name. Exactly, easy, great first line of
Speaker 1: dialogue to the movie, fuck you, Eddie Kim. And then
Speaker 1: Eddie Kim is going to match his energy and give
Speaker 1: an absurd amount of exposition. He's gonna say, well, look
Speaker 1: at you, mister prosecutor. Always important to say the job
Speaker 1: of your victim as you're bullying them. Yes, he includes
Speaker 1: more detail about him than is even relevant to his character.
Speaker 1: Then again, I was raised by a single mom, and
Speaker 1: I was like, now why do I know this? And
Speaker 1: then and then clean this up. I'm going back to
Speaker 1: la important to say where you're going. And then I
Speaker 1: was like cracking up at that. And then we cut
Speaker 1: to a news broadcast that repeats all of this information,
Speaker 1: which was I was like, this movie has no faith
Speaker 1: in the audience whatsoever. We cut to a news broadcast
Speaker 1: that's like, last night, criminal Eddie Kim killed a prosecutor,
Speaker 1: and now he's going back to la just like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Also, this thing with Eddie Kim played by an actor
Speaker 2: named Brian Lawson. By the way, he was great.
Speaker 1: I loved every second of him.
Speaker 2: Amazing. In this world, Eddie Kim is the most famous person.
Speaker 2: He is like a list celebrity. Everyone knows who this
Speaker 2: mobster is. He is world renowned. Anytime someone says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm testifying against Eddie Kim, they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I know exactly who that is, and that's so scary.
Speaker 1: The two celebrities in this world are Eddie Kim and
Speaker 1: three G's Three G's Yeah, not three G's, poor three G's.
Speaker 1: I like the actor who had to play him. I mean, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: the germophobic rapper three G's, which is a fun concept.
Speaker 1: But we'll circle back to.
Speaker 2: Three G's get there. For now, we're on Eddie Kim.
Speaker 2: He shows up to kill mister Prosecutor, who I guess
Speaker 2: was like trying to take down Eddie Kim and his associates.
Speaker 1: But then again, Eddie Kim was raised by a single mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, So Eddiekim kills the prosecutor. The motocross
Speaker 2: dude his name is Sean played by Nathan Phillips. He
Speaker 2: witnesses this, and so he bails by running away on
Speaker 2: his very noisy motorcycle that all the other mobsters notice.
Speaker 2: So they the minions, Sorry is how I should address them.
Speaker 2: Eddie Kim's minions go looking for Sean and they're about
Speaker 2: to break into his apartment, and.
Speaker 1: He was again is really failing to look appropriately afraid
Speaker 1: of what's happening to him. He's just again like I
Speaker 1: kept I kept putting the movie because I was watching
Speaker 1: it with Grant last night, and I kept putting the
Speaker 1: movie on mute and try to like score this guy's
Speaker 1: performance because if you put it on mute and you
Speaker 1: just make the hand like that's that's what he's evoking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's literally armed hitman at his door, and he's like ah,
Speaker 1: oh no, oh no, doesn't move away from the door,
Speaker 1: just keeps looking through the keyhole. I'm like, yeah, fella,
Speaker 1: you're in trouble.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Yeah, So he does try to eventually like
Speaker 2: get out of his apartment when who appears but FBI
Speaker 2: agent Neville Flynn played by Samuel L. Jackson, and we're like, yes,
Speaker 2: he rescues Sean and brings him in for questioning and
Speaker 2: tells Sean that he needs to fly to LA to
Speaker 2: testify against Eddie Kim so that they can throw him
Speaker 2: in jail. And Sean's like, I don't know, sounds dangerous.
Speaker 2: There might be snakes on the plane from Hawaii to LA.
Speaker 1: And they're like, hmm, no, that would never happen.
Speaker 2: That would never in a million years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we cut to the Honolulu airport. Several passengers are
Speaker 2: waiting to board a plane that may or may not
Speaker 2: have snakes on it. Passengers include a rapper named three G's.
Speaker 1: This reminded me so much of have you I forget?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make us do it for my birthday month
Speaker 1: if I remember. But have you seen Old.
Speaker 2: Old No? I still have not.
Speaker 1: There's a I would say worst written famous rapper character
Speaker 1: in that movie.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: The character's name is mid Size Sedan. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I remember, yes, And he is not a rapper with germophobia.
Speaker 1: He's a rapper with hemophilia. And so you can see
Speaker 1: how like cinema INFLUENCEDS cinema. And I just thought that
Speaker 1: that would be an important thing to point out. But
Speaker 1: I was, you know, just a really broadly poorly written
Speaker 1: rap character by the least cool man, and I mean
Speaker 1: not to knock am my child. I love that he's
Speaker 1: done cool, but someone who is not qualified to write
Speaker 1: a cool rapper character and then is like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this makes sense and gives you know, just the most
Speaker 1: half assed I mean, mid sized sedan is more half
Speaker 1: ass than three g's, but three g's is pretty bad.
Speaker 2: He wrote a song that seems to be about making
Speaker 2: that bootygo thump.
Speaker 1: Oh, booty go thump.
Speaker 2: Of course, bootygo thump, and I respect him for it.
Speaker 1: I just you can just like hear the two like.
Speaker 1: I was actually surprised that the men who wrote this
Speaker 1: movie were younger than I thought. They're in their early thirties.
Speaker 1: I was like, then, why does this dialogue so like they?
Speaker 1: When three gus is introduced, and also Keenan Thompson is
Speaker 1: one of his longtime friends Slash Security detail, they call
Speaker 1: him like the Howard Hughes of rap, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: who is that line for? I don't like that's that
Speaker 1: line is for a very old man, Like why are
Speaker 1: they saying that? Unless unless I am mistaken? And young
Speaker 1: people in two thousand and six would have been referencing
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes right and Left. It was just really I
Speaker 1: was like, who wrote this damn movie? But it was
Speaker 1: like fairly I mean, you know who knows who punched
Speaker 1: it up? Maybe it was like a senior I mean,
Speaker 1: with all due respect, a senior citizen was like, bring
Speaker 1: up Howard Hughes. The people love Howard Hughes.
Speaker 2: Here's my theory. The Keenan Thompson character whose name is Troy,
Speaker 2: I believe his favorite movie is The Aviator. So he's
Speaker 2: just like watching The Aviator right and left. He knows
Speaker 2: all about Howard Hughes, and he's he's just making references
Speaker 2: to that whenever he can.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that is true, he is the Aviator.
Speaker 1: But like I was trying to learn about the screenwriters
Speaker 1: of this movie, one is quite easy to learn about
Speaker 1: Sebastian Gutierres, who would have been He's written movies too,
Speaker 1: mostly not loved movies like gothaka Snake's claim. In any case,
Speaker 1: he was fairly young. I mean he was in his
Speaker 1: like And also he's married to Carla Guzino, who is
Speaker 1: amazing Wait.
Speaker 2: From Spy Kids. Yes, wait, Also I just realized, so
Speaker 2: The Aviator, Yeah, Keenan Thompson.
Speaker 1: He's not in that right, No, no, no, but okay.
Speaker 2: His whole thing is that later he flies the plane.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I thought that was what you
Speaker 1: were saying, That that was I planned and payoff that
Speaker 1: he knows about aviation. But then the twist is he
Speaker 1: actually doesn't.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. We'll get there, but no, the joke I
Speaker 2: was trying to make is that The Aviator is about
Speaker 2: Howard Hughes. So that's why he's like dropping that specific reference. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, that's why this text is so deep and
Speaker 2: heavy and difficult to talk about.
Speaker 1: We can't pretend to have the answers. No, but Sebastian
Speaker 1: Gutierrez he is a Venezuelan writer director and he was
Speaker 1: in his early thirties when this came out. Like, the
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes line is not clocking for me from him.
Speaker 1: The other writer is John Heffernan, but it's hard. I
Speaker 1: know that he passed away in twenty seventeen, but I
Speaker 1: don't know when he was born. And this is the
Speaker 1: only movie he ever worked on. Wow, which is kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. There's another story by credit, and this is
Speaker 1: pretty cool to David Dallassandro, who was Caitlin Connection University
Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh administrator and first time writer. But he started
Speaker 1: developing this concept in nineteen ninety two, so it's also
Speaker 1: very unclear how old he is. We just don't know.
Speaker 1: It is wild to think that Snake's in a Plane
Speaker 1: has been in development, was in development at least at
Speaker 1: that point, at least as long as I had been alive,
Speaker 1: because I would never have guessed it's giving thrown together
Speaker 1: in six weeks. But it was actually a long.
Speaker 2: Time anyways, That's how long it takes to write a masterpiece.
Speaker 2: In any case, We've met three g's, the rapper and
Speaker 2: his entourage to bodyguards, one of whom is Keenan Thompson,
Speaker 2: one of whom is another guy we meet them. We
Speaker 2: meet Mercedes played by Rachel Blanchard, who I recognize Flight
Speaker 2: to the Concords.
Speaker 1: I recognize her from Peep Show. Okay, she's uh yeah,
Speaker 1: she is above this. But I have to feel like
Speaker 1: the comedy actors, the comedy character actors we see in this,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to be in on the joke,
Speaker 1: especially David ken Love, and he really makes a meal
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Part of Rick Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: His whole character is he loves to sexually harass the
Speaker 2: flight attendants.
Speaker 1: And that is literally his Nevertheless, he persisted moments where
Speaker 1: he's on the verge of death, but he's like, but
Speaker 1: even on the verge of death, I can still sexually
Speaker 1: harass my coworker and you're like, wow, question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's there. Mercedes is there with her little dog.
Speaker 1: Which because there was I'm so sorry there, but I
Speaker 1: feel like every horror movie during this era had a
Speaker 1: Paris Hilton insert parody character, and that is yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: She's there with her dog. There's a very rude British man.
Speaker 2: He'll get his come upance, don't you worry.
Speaker 1: Julian Margley's zionist piece of shit is in the chat
Speaker 1: as well, but she's brunette, so she's gonna make it right.
Speaker 2: She's one of the flight attendants along with Tiffany. There
Speaker 2: is a queer coded flight attendant, a man named Ken,
Speaker 2: and then there's also an older woman named Grace. Those
Speaker 2: are all the flight attendants. We also meet the co
Speaker 2: pilot Rick played by David Keckner. There's a couple on
Speaker 2: their honeymoon. There's a different couple who are very horny
Speaker 2: for each other. There's a young mother with a baby.
Speaker 2: There are two kids, brothers who are flying alone without
Speaker 2: their parents, and I.
Speaker 1: Love that they go out of their way to be
Speaker 1: like and not just any parents. A soldier, You're.
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, who was on the plane? How was he
Speaker 2: allowed to be on the plane? And then I guess
Speaker 2: he got off before the flight took off.
Speaker 1: Like, I think that a lot of the a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean this movie, being on a plane is
Speaker 1: very inconsistent, I think because there's scenes that literally look
Speaker 1: ripped off from Titanic, people trying to get up a staircase,
Speaker 1: which planes famously don't usually have.
Speaker 2: There I think are some like really fancy ones that
Speaker 2: have like the first class. I've never been on a
Speaker 2: plane like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, I had to google it. I was like,
Speaker 1: is this made up? But like I really. Something I
Speaker 1: thought was interesting about this movie is that once you
Speaker 1: know how long it was in development, it makes sense
Speaker 1: because clearly some plots of this are about plane travel
Speaker 1: ostensibly before nine to eleven, and many are about after
Speaker 1: nine eleven. And they're also kind of lifting I think
Speaker 1: from Lost, which was like the most popular show on
Speaker 1: TV at this time, and I feel like Lost without
Speaker 1: being overly like dismiss it, but like, I think Lost
Speaker 1: kind of ripped the band aid off culturally of like
Speaker 1: we can have horror about planes again. Because after nine
Speaker 1: to eleven, obviously this was something that was avoided. A
Speaker 1: lot of movies were significantly adjusted, including two thousand and
Speaker 1: two is Lilo and Stitch right in order to avoid
Speaker 1: themes of plane crashes and peril on planes. For several
Speaker 1: years that didn't appear in media. But then when Lost
Speaker 1: came out, all of a sudden, it's like, and we're back.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of the characters. And I
Speaker 1: say this because I just watched all of Lost and
Speaker 1: got really obsessed, and I'm looking at my Lost toys
Speaker 1: with my eyeballs right now.
Speaker 2: You have Lost toys.
Speaker 1: I see those, you know those? My niece loves them,
Speaker 1: like little Fisher Price little People toys. They made a
Speaker 1: collector's Lost set and it's literally just baby Lost.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, it's cute.
Speaker 1: I have Baby Hurley here, Baby Jack, Baby Kate, and
Speaker 1: of course baby John Locke, my favorite character. Anyways, this
Speaker 1: was a very popular I was trying to like contextualize
Speaker 1: why did this movie happen in this way. Yeah, but anyways,
Speaker 1: nineteen I feel like the part of this movie that
Speaker 1: was developed before nine to eleven had a soldier getting
Speaker 1: all the way onto the plane with his children, because
Speaker 1: that would never have happened after nine to eleven, right,
Speaker 1: But then a lot of the I just thought that,
Speaker 1: especially the character of the blonde woman with the baby,
Speaker 1: felt very lifted from That's like Claire from Lost. There
Speaker 1: are a few characters that are insert here from Lost
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, but maybe I'm projecting. It's not like
Speaker 1: Lost invented blonde single mothers.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that character Unlost having a baby.
Speaker 1: He was important Aaron Aaron the baby and then the
Speaker 1: others stole erin and then Dominic Monaghan had to go
Speaker 1: save the baby.
Speaker 2: Oh, because he had a crush on Claire. Is that
Speaker 2: her name on Clare?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how she said her name. She's Australian, right
Speaker 1: she was?
Speaker 2: Okay? Was she the one who was like the sister
Speaker 2: to the Ian summerholder character or is that a different
Speaker 2: pairing of people.
Speaker 1: No, that's the other blonde. This is the thing talking
Speaker 1: about of me? No, No, this is a This is
Speaker 1: a and it's nothing against the actors. But this is like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, watching movies from really most times. But
Speaker 1: the number of blondes in this movie is quite staggering,
Speaker 1: and also the like horror movie tropes associated with the blondes,
Speaker 1: there's no subversion in this movie whatsoever. Juliana mark Leaz
Speaker 1: is our singular white brunette, and white being an important
Speaker 1: qualifier in that case, and therefore she's the only one
Speaker 1: with a functioning brain, and all of the blonde women
Speaker 1: are going to be variously damseled or slut shamed to
Speaker 1: the point where we'll get there. But I just thought
Speaker 1: it was I had to like pause the movie and
Speaker 1: explain it to my fiance's my fiance, because that's what
Speaker 1: should happen in more straight couples. Women should be explaining
Speaker 1: movies to the men exactly. But I just thought it
Speaker 1: was wild that we were introduced to so many blondes.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm going to assume the mother
Speaker 1: will live, because being a mother is considered by films
Speaker 1: to be worthy of life. Right, I'm gonna assume mother
Speaker 1: and baby are gonna live. I'm going to assume the
Speaker 1: woman who is Juliana Marglaz's friend who's wearing a skirt
Speaker 1: shorter than Julianna Margallay's is going to be in peril.
Speaker 1: Will either die or then get a boyfriend and live.
Speaker 2: That's the tiffanyru You're being validated.
Speaker 1: By a man. Tiffany, I'm assuming anyone over forty will die.
Speaker 1: But but then the first woman who dies is the blondest,
Speaker 1: most skimpily clad, horny person on the planet. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they're like, we need to find the blondest woman alive
Speaker 1: and then kill her, kill her via a nipple butt.
Speaker 1: It was just wild. Anyways, what's happening in the movie?
Speaker 1: I just I'll tell you. He is a very rich text.
Speaker 2: It's so rich. So we've met most of the cast. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: in the cargo hold, there is a man, a bad boy,
Speaker 2: a minion of famous mobster Eddie Kim, and he's spraying
Speaker 2: this box of lays, not the.
Speaker 1: Chips, the flower.
Speaker 2: Necklasts, the flower, yes exactly, And he's saying, these pheromones
Speaker 2: are gonna make these guys go crazy. And we're like,
Speaker 2: these guys, do you mean the snakes that are on
Speaker 2: the plane and he and that's what he means. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The flight starts boarding with Sean and Agent Flynn and
Speaker 2: another FBI guy, agent Sanders. I think I couldn't figure
Speaker 2: out who that was.
Speaker 1: All I know about him is that, like he is
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson's friend, and he's also divorced, and that is
Speaker 1: what bonds them as adult man. Like they're like, we're both.
Speaker 2: Divorced, they're both bad partner.
Speaker 1: I die for him. You're like, okay, whatever, maybe that's
Speaker 1: not that make friends. I don't know, no idea.
Speaker 2: So the three of them are the only people in
Speaker 2: first class since like whatever, Sean has to be protected
Speaker 2: or something, and so everyone else has to be moved
Speaker 2: to coach. They've all been given a lay that was
Speaker 2: riddled with snake pheromones, even though those lays were in
Speaker 2: the cargo hole. But now when they're being given them,
Speaker 2: like as they board the plane, they're in the airport.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh so there's some This is not going to
Speaker 3: pass a basic snuff test of logic, which is fine
Speaker 3: for a B movie, but the specific examples are very funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if B movie stands for beautiful, brilliant.
Speaker 1: Beautiful movie movie. My favorite bizarro plot hole is mid
Speaker 1: plane crash in two thousands six. Sam Jackson is able
Speaker 1: to send a high resolution photo via email from his
Speaker 1: slip phone. Yeah, I love movie.
Speaker 2: That was awesome. Yeah it was great. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: flight takes off and after a short while, a mechanism
Speaker 2: is triggered in the cargo hold once the plane reaches
Speaker 2: an altitude of thirty five thousand feet. So I reminded
Speaker 2: me of speed where oh the bus goes fifty miles
Speaker 2: an hour that you know, triggers the bomb whatever.
Speaker 1: So this triggers the snakes.
Speaker 2: This one triggers the snakes, and so a whole slew
Speaker 2: of snakes on the plane starts slithering out from somewhere. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: back in the cabin of the plane, everyone is horny.
Speaker 2: We got three G's and Mercedes flirting. We've got the
Speaker 2: horny couple going into the bathroom to have sex, something
Speaker 2: that the flight attendants think is awesome. They're like, who
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 1: Girl, which I was like, I uh, you know, I've
Speaker 1: never worked as a flight attendant. I have one friend
Speaker 1: who's a flight attendant. But that would have been like
Speaker 1: a weird text descent to be like, do you guys
Speaker 1: love when people?
Speaker 2: I think I think they don't love it at all.
Speaker 1: I would I think it's safe to assume, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: And I think it's probably illegal to have sex in
Speaker 2: the bathroom of all plane.
Speaker 1: Sure, But also I'm thinking, if I'm a flight attendant,
Speaker 1: I'm like, unless it's posing a danger, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to file a report, Like just please.
Speaker 2: Get out of the bathroom. I don't know what I
Speaker 2: would do in that situation, but you know, suffice it
Speaker 2: to say that these flight attendants love so.
Speaker 1: The Mile High Club. If you're if your goal is
Speaker 1: to join the Mile High Club, like you know, grow up,
Speaker 1: grow yeah, get a you know, dream bige, come on, okay,
Speaker 1: so grow up, get them Okay.
Speaker 2: So everyone's horny and they're releasing pheromones of their own. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it affects the snakes are not.
Speaker 1: But also as a young Taylor Kitsch is the guy
Speaker 1: who I who's that didn't recognize? Well, thankfully I had
Speaker 1: a man in the house to tell me he was
Speaker 1: in Friday Night Lights, which I never would have known,
Speaker 1: and he was also in a True Detective season two.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a pretty famous actor, but this is
Speaker 1: like I think one of his early roles as like
Speaker 1: he was also in John Tucker Must Die.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 1: I think he had had to sort of serve in
Speaker 1: the trenches of himbo roles before he got real actor roles.
Speaker 2: I see, okay, and.
Speaker 1: Good for him, But do I care?
Speaker 2: No? No, Okay, So we got all these CGI snakes
Speaker 2: slithering through the plane. We are seeing things sometimes through
Speaker 2: their green snake eye vision, which which.
Speaker 1: I did not fact check, but it literally looks like,
Speaker 1: oh does snakes look like a snake vision? Like also
Speaker 1: looking through a gun like it like like infrared a
Speaker 1: sniper like. Maybe I didn't look it up because I
Speaker 1: assumed the movie didn't look it up.
Speaker 2: So I don't know the movie didn't look up anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Okay, So there's like an enormous number
Speaker 2: of snakes slithering throughout the plane. No one notices that
Speaker 2: they're right there, They're under their feet, they're in their purses,
Speaker 2: they're going up a lady's dress.
Speaker 1: Well, in their defense, the snakes are computer giants. So
Speaker 1: the actors made, you know, I think the actors I
Speaker 1: made to be looking about like they're doing a bad
Speaker 1: job when they in fact were just never told where
Speaker 1: the CGI snakes are going to be, right, I fully
Speaker 1: believe there's full sequences where they're like, just be asleep
Speaker 1: on the plane. And then they added a CGI snake
Speaker 1: sexually assaulting you, and there's no reaction from the actor,
Speaker 1: just and we'll get back to her because she's done
Speaker 1: as severe injustice truly.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Yes, So then a snake who's on the plane
Speaker 2: attacks the horny couple that are having sex in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Another snake on the plane comes out of a toilet
Speaker 2: of a different bathroom and bites a man's penis.
Speaker 1: Now, this is I've seen a lot of criticism around
Speaker 1: this food and I don't know where to fall on it,
Speaker 1: Like where this is like one of the first movies
Speaker 1: that was really influenced by Internet humor. But I see,
Speaker 1: I personally find out to be a stretch because B
Speaker 1: movies have always been kind of influenced by lowest common
Speaker 1: denominator kind of oh for sure. So I wasn't bothered
Speaker 1: by it, but I did. The early kills in this
Speaker 1: movie are really going for it. I mean the like
Speaker 1: the blondest woman in the world being sexualized to the
Speaker 1: absurdist degree that they could do without the movie being rated.
Speaker 1: You know, NC seventeen. You know, she is punished for
Speaker 1: being for having sex by a snake bite to the nipple,
Speaker 1: and then cut to the guy takes his dick out
Speaker 1: to pee and for those you know with penises, please
Speaker 1: sound off in the chat. Do you also say how's
Speaker 1: my big boy when you start to take a leak?
Speaker 1: Because I thought that was delightful. I thought that was
Speaker 1: so funny, as I grant you should start doing that
Speaker 1: snake's in the toilet snake. Also, I noticed, unless it
Speaker 1: was a computer, Glitch seemed to drink a little bit
Speaker 1: of his piss.
Speaker 2: Did not notice that I think he did.
Speaker 1: And then he jumps on and then he says, fucking bitch,
Speaker 1: get off my dick. Is what he says to the
Speaker 1: snake that's killing He.
Speaker 2: Says the snake who is biting his dick off. Maybe
Speaker 2: contrary to popular belief, I think that when a man
Speaker 2: says hi, big boy to his penis that passes the
Speaker 2: Bechdel test.
Speaker 1: I see, the only time I would be saying hi,
Speaker 1: big boy is when I'm walking into Bob's Big Boy
Speaker 1: in Burbank, California. I'm passing the statue and I say hi,
Speaker 1: big boy because that's his name. Yeah, but I did wonder.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, you know cis masculinity is so twisted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any any any listeners say, hi, big boy, will they pee?
Speaker 1: And if not, you know, let us know if it's fun,
Speaker 1: Hi big boy. No, how's my big boy?
Speaker 2: Which is even weird, how's my big boy?
Speaker 1: Initiating our conversation. Yeah, that was never answered because that
Speaker 1: Penis was not long for this world. Usually I've assumed
Speaker 1: that Penis would answer, Yeah, the early kills I thought
Speaker 1: were the best, the kills they sort of got, except
Speaker 1: for one that we'll come back to. The British guy.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yes, yes, yes, that was good. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the snakes are attacking, but it's like little by
Speaker 2: little at first. Here we also see some snakes bite
Speaker 2: some of the wiring. Yeah, which causes a bunch of
Speaker 2: like electrical failures on the plane, which like sort of
Speaker 2: doesn't really do any or didn't do anything. That was
Speaker 2: clear to me because every time the plane starts crashing,
Speaker 2: it's because the pilot is dead.
Speaker 1: Right, But then that has always resolved by like when
Speaker 1: someone would it's a big me laugh and not to
Speaker 1: be overly didatic because it's.
Speaker 2: The B movie.
Speaker 1: But without fail, anytime the plane was crashing, it would
Speaker 1: be resolved by someone who knew how to fly a plane,
Speaker 1: be like put autopilot back on, and I was like,
Speaker 1: surely they're in touch with base camp or whatever. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why didn't they just say do that if that is
Speaker 1: gonna solve Like even when David character almost comes back
Speaker 1: from the dead, he literally like just put auto pilot on?
Speaker 1: Why don't they just do that? Like how do Sam
Speaker 1: Jackson not? And it's apparently just you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about flying planes, but it's a clearly labeled button.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you just press it?
Speaker 2: One might think you know.
Speaker 1: That the minions can land a plane better than these guys.
Speaker 1: Think about that.
Speaker 2: I do reference that later in my notes. Yeahk god,
Speaker 2: thank god, Fret not Jamie. Okay, good, Okay, So the snakes,
Speaker 2: the snakes are emerging. The pilot, not David Keckner, because
Speaker 2: I think he's like the co pilot, the mister official
Speaker 2: pilot who is an actor who I recognize from exactly
Speaker 2: one scene from Josie and the Pussycats. Oh, he's the
Speaker 2: guy who I think he might be FBI, but he
Speaker 2: like comes in to pretend to bust escentially.
Speaker 1: Have no fucking clue who was who in this thing?
Speaker 1: Like I also was like, I again, this is I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I was surprised that the FBI was,
Speaker 1: Like I thought you had to be subtle about that,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know you were like, we're the FBI,
Speaker 1: clear first class. I'm like, does it is? I thought
Speaker 1: that that would introduce like a safety vulnerability.
Speaker 2: Right, shouldn't they be more covert? Remindminds me of that
Speaker 2: that part in point break where Keanu's character who's supposed
Speaker 2: to be undercover is like loudly introducing himself with his
Speaker 2: like full real name, is like not being covert at all.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, Like it's you know, and we're
Speaker 1: supposed to believe this is the government agency that has
Speaker 1: gotten away with killing MLK for half a century. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, Like you gotta be a little better
Speaker 1: than that. And also not to keep bringing Lost back
Speaker 1: into it, but I've got a I'm a Lost fan,
Speaker 1: Like they're one of the characters, and Lost is being
Speaker 1: like escorted by a federal agent internationally in the pilot
Speaker 1: of Loss and they're sitting in coach Because you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to be really obvious about.
Speaker 2: That, right, there's another Oh my gosh, I forgot it's Kate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, there's a movie. Is it Midnight Run? I
Speaker 2: always get this movie confuse with another movie. I think
Speaker 2: it is Midnight Run, where like the whole premise of
Speaker 2: that is. I think it's Robert de Niro's he's the
Speaker 2: agent and Charles Grodin is the like criminal or whatever
Speaker 2: under custody. And I don't remember what else happens in
Speaker 2: that movie. It's been a really long time since I've
Speaker 2: seen it. But yeah, there's whole movies with this premise anyway. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the pilot he's in chosing the Pussycats as well.
Speaker 2: He goes to fix the electrical problems that the snakes
Speaker 2: on the plane have caused. But a snake, the motherfucking snakes.
Speaker 2: The snakes on the.
Speaker 1: Snake really make you wait for that line, They really do.
Speaker 2: But honestly, when it happens.
Speaker 1: It's worth it. Oh it's worth it, You're like, and
Speaker 1: that is why Sam Jackson is a movie star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, precisely. Okay, So a snake bites the pilot and
Speaker 2: he dies, and the crew is like, darn well, let's
Speaker 2: keep petting to La. We're over halfway.
Speaker 1: There that Okay, yes, I have I have notes on
Speaker 1: just the bizarre. I'm like, they must have shot this
Speaker 1: absurdly out of order. I'm wondering how many script changes
Speaker 1: happened because the lack of reaction. There's a David Kector
Speaker 1: read that just cracked me up. Wait where is it?
Speaker 1: I have so many notes? Oh yeah, he first, like
Speaker 1: the David. I think it's Rick, who's like I've worked
Speaker 1: with him for decades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a decade.
Speaker 1: And then and then just is soullessly may day, may day,
Speaker 1: may day, he has suffered a fatal heart attack. We're
Speaker 1: gonna keep flying. You're just like, okay. And then there's
Speaker 1: like just these matter of matter of fact readings that
Speaker 1: made me laugh so much. Eddie somehow managed to fill
Speaker 1: the plane with poisonous snakes. And you're like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: because we haven't even gotten to Bobby Canavale. No, Bobby Canavale,
Speaker 1: the poor an addict.
Speaker 2: Oh is he? I didn't know that about him.
Speaker 1: That's for a while, the only thing we know about
Speaker 1: him is they're like, what are you doing watching his character?
Speaker 1: Not his Oh I don't. I don't know anything about it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean his character Loves is not catching astray from me.
Speaker 1: I don't know a thing about him. Love just working it. Tanya, Oh, sure,
Speaker 1: he's in it for about one minute. But yeah, his character.
Speaker 1: I was like, he also seems everyone's kind of in on.
Speaker 2: The joke here, I hope.
Speaker 1: So he later says the line that's gonna leave a mark.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he can't think this is going to be
Speaker 1: a career to finding you know.
Speaker 2: You never know. Okay, so let's see the pilots dead.
Speaker 2: Just then tons of snakes on the plane attack all
Speaker 2: at once. A bunch of people get bitten and die immediately.
Speaker 2: These are mostly like extras who we haven't really met.
Speaker 2: We don't know them. Yes, but one of the little
Speaker 2: boys we do know gets bitten. One of three G's
Speaker 2: bodyguards gets bitten, the one who isn't Keenan Thompson on the.
Speaker 1: Ass ass introduced homophobic two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: Side plot, Yes exactly. Let's see the woman with the
Speaker 2: baby gets knocked unconscious. There's a part where the flight attendant, Grace,
Speaker 2: she's the older one who's like about to retire, kind
Speaker 2: of sacrifices herself to save the young woman's baby. Because
Speaker 2: old women.
Speaker 1: Are disposable and must die for the young. I really
Speaker 1: loved Grace was a fun character. They did her dirty,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Flynn is like zapping the snakes with his taser.
Speaker 2: He's got so many weapons wand board. You know he's FBI,
Speaker 2: but he brought all his weapons on the plane into
Speaker 2: the cabin.
Speaker 1: Again, very like pre nine to eleven plot point there.
Speaker 2: Right, Eventually, the survivors who didn't die from this like
Speaker 2: initial burst.
Speaker 1: Of attacks, mostly blonde women.
Speaker 2: Lots of blonde women, they managed to kind of like
Speaker 2: barricade themselves into one area of the plane and block
Speaker 2: the snakes using a bunch of luggage.
Speaker 1: I really, I mean again, you know, he couldn't have known,
Speaker 1: but it is very bone chilling, saying like his first
Speaker 1: suggestion being like we need to build a wall. You're
Speaker 1: like that line is going to age extraordinarily poorly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also the fact that he's an FBI agent with
Speaker 1: a million weapons and that's his best idea. But whatever,
Speaker 1: it seems to work.
Speaker 2: It takes them forever to get the idea to go
Speaker 2: upstairs into first class.
Speaker 1: But then it's like Titanic, like it's the end of
Speaker 1: the tame. They're like, ah, they cannot get upstairs in
Speaker 1: an orderly fashion. The stairs break. It's like, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: It's around this time when the other FBI agent Sanders
Speaker 2: dies from a snake bite. Also, he declares earlier his
Speaker 2: fear of snakes. Yeah, so this is an especially bad
Speaker 2: trip for him, and then he dies.
Speaker 1: I love those moments in horror movies. We also get
Speaker 1: a similar moment with Grace where they're like he was
Speaker 1: my best friend. You're like okay. Like same with David
Speaker 1: Kackner and the Pilot, You're like, well, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: feel nothing at all, Like I don't know who this
Speaker 1: person is.
Speaker 2: Because the movie treats Agent Sanders death like it's this
Speaker 2: deeply tragic moment that the audience is going to have
Speaker 2: to like really pause and contemplate. But we're like, who
Speaker 2: is who the fuck is this guy? Again? I don't
Speaker 2: know him?
Speaker 1: The three deaths, I think we were supposed to feel
Speaker 1: a way about where like the Pilot, the Partner and Grace,
Speaker 1: and Grace was the only one and that was strictly
Speaker 1: on the performance where I thought that was a very
Speaker 1: charming performance, what a cool lady too bad she.
Speaker 2: Died, So okay. Then Samuel L. Jackson uses the airplane
Speaker 2: telephone to call his FBI buddy on the ground, this
Speaker 2: is Harris, and tell him that famous mobster Eddie Kim
Speaker 2: put all of these snakes on the plane in order
Speaker 2: to bring the plane down to kill Sean so that
Speaker 2: he can't testify against him in court.
Speaker 1: Amazing plan, to which again Bobby cana Valley has like
Speaker 1: absurdly no reaction to, Like He's like, oh God, that sucks.
Speaker 1: I paused his scene because we're told a bunch of
Speaker 1: like Bobby canna Valley's stock character information where they're like
Speaker 1: he's addicted to poor and he hates his children.
Speaker 2: And hates his children.
Speaker 1: I paused his office to be like, what are we
Speaker 1: supposed to be alread to hear? He has like a
Speaker 1: bunch of bobbleheads of I think one was George W. Bush.
Speaker 1: I think he had the Declarty of Independence framed in
Speaker 1: his office. I'm like, what am I supposed to be
Speaker 1: thinking about this man? But anyways, I was glad he
Speaker 1: at least stayed in the movie, because I thought he
Speaker 1: was just gonna be in that office and did all
Speaker 1: of his scenes in like fourteen minutes because he just
Speaker 1: pays it around being like I hate my kids, I
Speaker 1: hate like I love war, or like whatever the hell
Speaker 1: is going on with him. But at least he goes
Speaker 1: to a second location and meets like I wrote down
Speaker 1: snake Tobias Funke is what it felt like to me,
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it, I see it. That guy's about
Speaker 2: to show up, but yeah, before that happens, the young
Speaker 2: mother knows how to suck venom out of a snake bite.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so she does this for that little
Speaker 2: boy who got bitten.
Speaker 1: Which of course has made a sex joke.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, austing three gs entourage see her administering
Speaker 2: like medical care to a child, and they're like, child
Speaker 2: hubba hubba a wooga, I want her to suck me
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, this same character has refused help from a man
Speaker 1: he thinks is gay, because fellas, is it gay to
Speaker 1: survive a snake bite? Like just really ridiculous two thousand
Speaker 1: and six nonsense going on, truly.
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, Bobby Kinavale gets to work on finding a
Speaker 2: snake expert. This guy, doctor Stephen Price aka VI expert
Speaker 2: to k who figures out that there must be something
Speaker 2: provoking the snakes to cause them to be so aggressive,
Speaker 2: a pheromone perhaps, And I feel like.
Speaker 1: He's like I felt Jurassic Parky a little bit.
Speaker 2: Kind of well because there's such an emphasis on like
Speaker 2: female reptiles, because he's like, well, female snakes emit a
Speaker 2: pheromone and it makes the males very aggressive. So it's like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: blame everything.
Speaker 1: On creat the girl snakes somehow became women's fault, and
Speaker 1: we got there. Yeah, I think there's a concept of
Speaker 1: I feel like it almost ties into like, and this
Speaker 1: is again very cis normative, but there are so many
Speaker 1: sis men who write these kinds of movies, of like
Speaker 1: the gigantic number of pussy monsters we see in horror movies,
Speaker 1: and and just using pheromones, like female pheromones as a
Speaker 1: weapon also just feels very like seems like more of
Speaker 1: a you prob that we see pop up in specifically
Speaker 1: genre movies a lot.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's like, take the idea of the fem fatal,
Speaker 2: apply it to snakes on a plane. Come on, bam,
Speaker 2: you've got.
Speaker 1: A movie at very least oh single woman fights a snake.
Speaker 1: Everyone else needs a boyfriend, but Claire evil Zionus. Claire
Speaker 1: does fight a snake and then I we'll get to
Speaker 1: the love story.
Speaker 2: Because I was.
Speaker 1: Baffled by that. I was like, oh, I did not
Speaker 1: see that coming. I was not into I was not
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a whole spiel on that as well. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So so the snake expert is figuring different things out
Speaker 2: and they need to find a way to show this
Speaker 2: expert what kinds of snakes are on board so he
Speaker 2: can figure out what like types of anti venom to get.
Speaker 2: And there's a whole scene where in two thousand and
Speaker 2: six they learn how cell phone cameras and email works
Speaker 2: and they managed to send an email from like a
Speaker 2: BlackBerry or whatever the fuck on the plane pre the
Speaker 2: era of planes having Wi Fi or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And also I'm like, I honestly I could I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you, but I'm like, I was unclear if the
Speaker 1: power on the plane was even working at that point.
Speaker 2: I think it wasn't. I think that the snakes had
Speaker 2: chewed through the electricity.
Speaker 1: I really loved that plot hole. I thought that plot
Speaker 1: hole was iconic. No no accounting for it. Ten out
Speaker 1: of ten amazing.
Speaker 2: Then the flight attendant Claire discovers that the co pilot Rick,
Speaker 2: this is the David Keckner character, is incapacitated and no
Speaker 2: one's flying the plane and it's nose diving into the ocean.
Speaker 2: So Claire and agent Flynn have to step in and
Speaker 2: try to pull the plane back up. Allah that scene
Speaker 2: from Minions to.
Speaker 1: Exactly as Minions did it better Manian had more chemistry
Speaker 1: with each other.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's be honest, seriously. Yeah, okay. So meanwhile the
Speaker 2: barricade of like just suitcases stacked on each other.
Speaker 1: Amazing plan, good job.
Speaker 2: You won't believe it, but it falls apart.
Speaker 1: Your tax dollars at work everybody.
Speaker 2: And all the snakes are coming through and attacking people again,
Speaker 2: including like the honeymoon couple. That mean British guy feeds
Speaker 2: Mercedes little dog to the snakes, but the he gets like.
Speaker 1: Mary Kate, I think like Twins. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: just so two thousand and six, it's exhaustive. The I
Speaker 1: loved the rich guy death where the snake I mean,
Speaker 1: because it had been a while since we'd had a
Speaker 1: good snake death at that true thought. It was mostly
Speaker 1: just like Oi Oi Oi and then we get the
Speaker 1: rich guy's swallowed whole via his head awesome.
Speaker 2: By what I would call a big boy snake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how's my big boy? Well, well he's he's hungry
Speaker 4: and he's eating the mean man. I do appreciate that
Speaker 4: he gets like instant karma killed, yes, because he like
Speaker 4: feeds the dog to the snakes. But then he immediately
Speaker 4: gets eaten by very satisfying something boa constrictor.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking I was like, could that have even happened?
Speaker 1: I literally do not know, and I none of my business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not scientists. Yeah, okay, So then everyone finally
Speaker 2: goes upstairs to first class again unclear why they didn't
Speaker 2: think of this earlier because that seems like a pretty
Speaker 2: good idea.
Speaker 1: And empty for like an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then David Keector comes back to life and starts
Speaker 2: piloting the plane again. He's like, oh, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, I'm fine, and then he's like, sure,
Speaker 1: you don't want to take your top off, babe, and
Speaker 1: she's like, Rick, you're still yourself and he's like but
Speaker 1: then like he puts the plane on auto pilot. Why
Speaker 1: don't they just keep doing that? I don't know, I
Speaker 1: you know, viewed as camp. That is an amazing moment
Speaker 1: in the movie. I wonder so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I wonder if autopilot is sort of like cruise control
Speaker 2: on a car. I don't know what autopilot does. Any listeners,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, and including if Keenan Thompson listening, well
Speaker 1: he is, and he's anything like this character. If he doesn't,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know either, so he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't, okay. In the meantime, on the ground, Bobby Canavale
Speaker 2: and the snake expert discover that most of the snakes
Speaker 2: on the plane are indigenous to other continents, which means
Speaker 2: that nearby hospitals wouldn't have the anti venom for those snakes,
Speaker 2: and there's only one person nearby who would have what
Speaker 2: they need, so they head to that guy's house in
Speaker 2: the desert. Back on the plane, this is when Grace,
Speaker 2: the flight attendant dies, So it's.
Speaker 1: Sad and there's all a lot of very like Hokey.
Speaker 1: We learned this about Claire. It's her last flight before
Speaker 1: she becomes a lawyer, and Grace is like it was
Speaker 1: I just had to do one last flight from Honolulu
Speaker 1: to la I'm like for what But anyways, she dies.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of Captain E. J. Smith on the
Speaker 2: Titanic that was his last.
Speaker 1: It's a classic. I mean, it's a good trope to
Speaker 1: be like, you know or whatever though, like it's my
Speaker 1: last case and that's.
Speaker 2: Before I retire, Before I retire.
Speaker 1: That's like basically what Grace is doing. But then she
Speaker 1: gets snaked. Sad but true, and then we learn that
Speaker 1: Tiffany and her were really good friends. Question Mark. We
Speaker 1: do not see that. I would have it would have
Speaker 1: made more sense if the like male flight attendant was
Speaker 1: grieving her because we only see them together, but we
Speaker 1: don't really get to see how he feels about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. We also see a moment where three G's
Speaker 2: goes berserk and he's like waving a gun around, but
Speaker 2: he calms down and he apologizes. Also, the air conditioning
Speaker 2: has stopped working on the.
Speaker 1: Plane, which is why he becomes so as homicides. I
Speaker 1: think it's like implied that they're maybe running out of air,
Speaker 1: and he's a germophobe, so like he wants fresh air.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I'm gonna kill someone if I don't
Speaker 1: get fresh air. You're like three gees sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really goofy, and I would say it's
Speaker 2: extremely goofy.
Speaker 1: In fact, I agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the air conditioning isn't working, so Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson has to go down into the cargo hold to
Speaker 2: reset the breakers, which, if you're if you're wiring has
Speaker 2: been chewed through by snakes. I don't know how. It's
Speaker 2: not like that they tripped the breaker. Resetting the breaker
Speaker 2: wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. Well, in this
Speaker 1: world it does. And this is also the moment where
Speaker 1: it becomes like clear that he and Claire are vibing climbing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't work because she was like, no, let me
Speaker 1: go with you. I was like, what, Like, I know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was more of a like a paternal thing,
Speaker 1: but apparently it's a fucky thing.
Speaker 2: I did not sense that it was supposed to be
Speaker 2: romantic until the very end when they're like, let's get
Speaker 2: dinner later.
Speaker 1: I have to believe that was added because it was
Speaker 1: just like the no. I mean, you know, Sam Jackson handsome,
Speaker 1: charming man, but it just like there was nothing planted
Speaker 1: that made that make sense. The age gap felt very weird.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't believe this for a second.
Speaker 2: Who knows. Any Way, Samuel L. Jackson goes to find
Speaker 2: the breakers in a scene that feels very similar to
Speaker 2: a scene in Jurassic Park where Samuel L. Jackson has
Speaker 2: to go and reset the breakers.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and it's also Samuel Jackson.
Speaker 2: It's also him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Although in Jurassic Park he dies doing this via being
Speaker 2: attacked by reptiles, and in Snakes on a Plane he
Speaker 2: lives and the reptiles don't kill him.
Speaker 1: That didn't even occur to me. So that was a
Speaker 1: moment that that was for the fans.
Speaker 2: That yeah, I think so. I wonder if that was
Speaker 2: supposed to be an homage, but I don't know. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Back on the ground, Bobby Canavale goes to the like
Speaker 2: snake smuggler dude to get all the I don't know
Speaker 2: if they even get the anti venoms from him, but
Speaker 2: they just get a list they.
Speaker 1: Get literally, he's like, I need a list of the
Speaker 1: snakes on the plane. You're like what, And then the
Speaker 1: guy's like, I swear, here's the list, and he's like
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, and then he's fine, Like it
Speaker 1: just was I loved it. I loved it the Bobby
Speaker 1: Canivale sections, and they gave him so many goofy lines
Speaker 1: in this sequence where they're like, what are you doing,
Speaker 1: He's like, my job, and then and then he like
Speaker 1: shoots the guy or whatever. He's like, that's good to
Speaker 1: leave the mark. And it's just like Bobby Canavalle is
Speaker 1: just not scary, Like he's not scary and he's not cool,
Speaker 1: and that's why I like him. But like, I'm not
Speaker 1: sold on this whole like hyper mask Bobby kind of
Speaker 1: vallet like, no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, it's not doing it for me either. But anyway,
Speaker 2: now that they have this list of snakes, they're like, whow,
Speaker 2: everything's gonna be a okay, and so everyone kind of
Speaker 2: just like breathe a sigh of relief. The sun is
Speaker 2: coming up because by the way, this has been a
Speaker 2: red eye flight the whole time, right, But then they
Speaker 2: realize that the co pilot, David Keckner, died again and
Speaker 2: no one's flying the plane again. But don't worry. In
Speaker 2: the Diosex Machina of the Century, Keenan Thompson knows how
Speaker 2: to fly a plane, so he's gonna land this plane.
Speaker 2: But wait, there's a bunch of snakes in the cockpit,
Speaker 2: which is when Samuel L. Jackson says the best line
Speaker 2: in cinema history. I have had it with these motherfucking
Speaker 2: snakes on this motherfucking plane. And so to get rid
Speaker 2: of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane, he.
Speaker 1: Almost kills everybody and then goes to a safe area
Speaker 1: with Keenan Thompson like, he just leaves everyone for dead,
Speaker 1: including children, including a baby. Right, you couldn't have brought
Speaker 1: a couple. You could have brought the kids with you
Speaker 1: into the cockpit. They're like, no, best of Yeah.
Speaker 2: They don't have the strength to hang on. Best of
Speaker 2: luck in there, right, because what they do is they
Speaker 2: literally shoot holes in the plane with Samuel L. Jackson's
Speaker 2: FBI gun, which makes all the snakes go flying out.
Speaker 2: Everyone has to hang on for dear life. And then
Speaker 2: Keenan Thompson successfully lands the plane, even though we find
Speaker 2: out that the quote unquote flight experience he has has
Speaker 2: all been via playing video games on PlayStation two.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of a fun moment. Keenan seems
Speaker 1: to be having a good time. I hope so, because
Speaker 1: otherwise was he doing here and yeah, they land the
Speaker 1: plane just like the Minions did in sam Panpisco.
Speaker 2: That's so true, Jamie.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Remember when I said that at our show in
Speaker 1: San Francisco and it got less than nothing. It was
Speaker 1: like just a black hole of reaction. If you're at
Speaker 1: that show, you should have laughed. Do you really let
Speaker 1: me down in that moment? That that didn't feel good?
Speaker 1: And I think about it often.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I I think I reacted you.
Speaker 1: Oh you you laugh. I was like woooo yeah, which
Speaker 1: almost emphasized how no one else was laughing because he
Speaker 1: said woo. But I needed I needed to do in
Speaker 1: that moment you were there.
Speaker 2: I really tried to be there for you.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, they don't land in San pan Pisco in
Speaker 2: this movie. They Oh how would the Minion say Los Angeles? Oh?
Speaker 1: I feel like they'd be like how so true?
Speaker 2: So true, And that's where they land the plane. Various
Speaker 2: first responders are there to administer anti venom, and the survivors,
Speaker 2: you know, they safely get off the plane. But just
Speaker 2: as Sean remember him, No, he's about to get off
Speaker 2: the plane, but a snake bites him on the chest.
Speaker 2: So Samuel al Jackson shoots the snakes slash Sean's chest,
Speaker 2: which is fine because Sean was wearing a bulletproof vest
Speaker 2: the whole time.
Speaker 1: And then he's now he's Tiffany's boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Right. There's a bunch of like forced hetero romances at
Speaker 2: the very end, including a huge, big twist that Ken,
Speaker 2: the flight attendant who the movie kept implying was probably gay,
Speaker 2: has a beautiful girlfriend and he's straight after all.
Speaker 1: And everyone, like all of his coworkers are like whoa.
Speaker 1: But it was implied that they knew each other quite well.
Speaker 1: I'm like, right, did they not know that he was
Speaker 1: in like long term relationship? Also, like this is way
Speaker 1: beside the boy But how did she get down to
Speaker 1: the tarmac? Like that's a good that's a pre nine
Speaker 1: to eleven thing. Yeah, yes, whatever, yeah whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: that's not what this is about.
Speaker 2: No, And then the movie ends with Sean and Samuel
Speaker 2: Willow Jackson surfing together in BALI question mark because that's
Speaker 2: what Sean had been talking about wanting to do. The end.
Speaker 1: Yay, I loved it. I guess let's take it. We've
Speaker 1: been taken a break in an hour and a half, we've.
Speaker 2: Been recording for so long already and we haven't even started.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's time for another snake break.
Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back from the snake break. How
Speaker 1: is your savait? How's my big boy?
Speaker 2: Your big boy if you mean me?
Speaker 1: Hm?
Speaker 2: Great? Oh good? How's my big boy?
Speaker 1: I'm doing okay, I'm I'm so. I'm like, we've talked.
Speaker 2: A lot about something.
Speaker 1: Movie. I don't yeah, I've like it's like we're even
Speaker 1: to begin, Like, is this movie massages? Yes? Is this
Speaker 1: movie racist?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Is this movie homophobic? Yes?
Speaker 2: Is this movie agist yes? Yes? Is this movie fat phobic? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: I can't really think of a single subversion.
Speaker 2: That happens, no, nor I yeah. Most attempts at jokes
Speaker 2: in this movie are at the expense of a marginalized group.
Speaker 1: I think that the most extreme, the most frustrating example
Speaker 1: of that to me, was the single woman of color,
Speaker 1: yeah who. We don't know what her nationality is, but
Speaker 1: she's the only woman of color. She's over forty, so
Speaker 1: we're already like, this isn't going to end well for her.
Speaker 1: She's not extremely thin, and so's she's made out to
Speaker 1: be an alcoholic, you know, knowing that you're watching a
Speaker 1: snake slasher a movie. You're like, this woman is going
Speaker 1: to be made to die in a very humiliating way,
Speaker 1: for sure, And that is precisely what happens. She is
Speaker 1: ostensibly sexually assaulted by a CGI snake and then has
Speaker 1: her eye gouged out ultimately right.
Speaker 2: Even before that, So when she's like boarding the plane,
Speaker 2: three G's fat shames her, right and then also fat
Speaker 2: shames his friend Keenan Thompson and like talks about the
Speaker 2: baby that they would make together, like it's just disgusting,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, she sits down, she takes out a
Speaker 2: flask and starts drinking from it. She's characterized as being
Speaker 2: so oblivious that she doesn't notice that a snake is
Speaker 2: slithering up her dress. And then she's one of the
Speaker 2: first people to die, not the first, but no, very
Speaker 2: gruesome death.
Speaker 1: And they really drag it out too, like they it's
Speaker 1: multiple beats. We never learn anything about her. There might
Speaker 1: be an implication that she's native Hawaiian. I'm not totally sure.
Speaker 1: I just like any negative trope you could associate with
Speaker 1: any number of marginalized groups is present in this I
Speaker 1: think unnamed character because she's also traveling alone.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what else to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was like one of the things about this movie
Speaker 1: that I was like, this is like deeply gross.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And then outside of Sam Jackson, the only black characters
Speaker 1: that we get to know are a like very broadly
Speaker 1: written rapper and his two security guards. And so I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, Sam Jackson makes one reference
Speaker 1: to race, not that I was like, I want this
Speaker 1: movie to have more commentary about race, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really that's not the job of Snakes on
Speaker 1: a plane right now. But Sam Jackson is just playing
Speaker 1: the stock FBI character he if nothing else, is not
Speaker 1: defined by his race the course of this movie. I
Speaker 1: don't think you can say that for three g's and
Speaker 1: the key and Thompson character and the other character. There's
Speaker 1: just so many tropes present. It's mostly lazy writing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But even the like the the later homophobia that comes
Speaker 1: up where I think that often, especially during like this phase,
Speaker 1: I mean, all men in film are very no homo,
Speaker 1: no homo, no homo during this period of film. But
Speaker 1: I think black men specifically are often made to be
Speaker 1: made out to seem particularly homophobic and so I at
Speaker 1: least and if any listeners disagree, please let me know.
Speaker 1: I just it pinged for me that the overtly homophobic
Speaker 1: comments were coming from people of color, because there was
Speaker 1: one muttered comment from I think the one Asian man
Speaker 1: we get to know on the plane, get to know
Speaker 1: he's like coming back from a kickboxing competition, and then
Speaker 1: gets a girlfriend. That's kind of all we know about him.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, we have one What
Speaker 1: is the other character's name, it's not fair to call
Speaker 1: him not Keenan Thompson, Keith Dallas aka big Leroy. Again,
Speaker 1: just very lazy naming conventions here, but he is so
Speaker 1: you know, he's for some reason, he's not fatally bitten
Speaker 1: by a snake. I don't know why. Some aren't, some aren't.
Speaker 2: Well, the snake expert really clearly lays this out, Jamie,
Speaker 2: where some of the snakes will kill you within minutes,
Speaker 2: others within hours, and even others you can recover from
Speaker 2: a venomous snake bite with just a good night's sleep.
Speaker 1: It's almost like whatever the script requires can be possible.
Speaker 1: But he gets bitten on his ass, yes, and then
Speaker 1: there's this big homophobic beat of Ken, who's referred to
Speaker 1: on scholarly journal Wikipedia as an eccentric flight attendant, which
Speaker 1: I guess is that writer's way of saying queer coded.
Speaker 1: But in any case, you know, venom needs to be
Speaker 1: sucked out of a bite, but he's.
Speaker 2: Like, no home like it. You know, if a man
Speaker 2: can't do it, that would be.
Speaker 1: Too gay only for that character, that same character to
Speaker 1: like like hama and ahamadahamana over like you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: women sucking the venom out of a child snake bite,
Speaker 1: so you know, very bad broad riding.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, correct. I would say the way that Hawaii
Speaker 2: is depicted in the movie, it's only for a few minutes,
Speaker 2: but all we see is like touristy people doing touristy stuff.
Speaker 2: There are, from what I could tell, no depictions of
Speaker 2: Native Hawaiians or their community or culture, not that we
Speaker 2: know of. Yeah, so it's just like a few shots
Speaker 2: of like tourists surfing and then we get on a
Speaker 2: plane with snakes on it. But yeah, shit like that.
Speaker 2: It's shit like three G's grabbing a woman's boob to
Speaker 2: sign it, just like assaulting a fan and then she's
Speaker 2: like wow, like She's like, Wow, I loved it.
Speaker 1: Loves every second it's It's so it's frustrating because it's
Speaker 1: nothing we haven't talked about on this show, but it
Speaker 1: is just like it feels like everything everything happens that
Speaker 1: could possibly happen, and I feel like, at least Keenan,
Speaker 1: I think Keenan's character gets a little more characterization strictly
Speaker 1: because it's Keenan. That was my theory because Keenan was
Speaker 1: already like a very well known, well loved personality. So
Speaker 1: I feel like they gave him a character because it
Speaker 1: would be a letdown to have Keenan time because I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Keenan had already been on SNL for several years at
Speaker 1: this point he joined, and L had been a dowser three.
Speaker 1: Yeah Keenan and kel like he's a he's a generational talent,
Speaker 1: Like you got to give this guy a character. But
Speaker 1: I think that the other his like counterpoint, big Leroy,
Speaker 1: which I did not realize that was that character's name,
Speaker 1: but he really suffers as a result. And they like
Speaker 1: almost doubled down on all of these just like lazy
Speaker 1: tropes to the point where I think the last word
Speaker 1: we hear that last line from that character is my
Speaker 1: ass and you're like fine.
Speaker 2: I mean in a different context that could be iconic,
Speaker 2: but is here not out not so much.
Speaker 1: I also think the way that Asian actors were depicted
Speaker 1: was not great.
Speaker 2: Especially with like Eddie Kim and his his minions.
Speaker 1: Right, which is it's like, I mean, I honestly have
Speaker 1: just a wild dearth of information about Like, I just
Speaker 1: have no interest in crime movies, mafia movies. I know that,
Speaker 1: you know mafia movies. There's you know, people of all
Speaker 1: nationalities can be in gangs whatever. For me, what was
Speaker 1: clicking more was that whenever you would cut to Eddie
Speaker 1: Kim outside of crime activity, he was like doing karate.
Speaker 1: Like it just felt very broad, again, very broad Americanized
Speaker 1: stereotypes around East Asian people were being just randomly applied
Speaker 1: to these American characters like Eddie Kiss from LA. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just found.
Speaker 2: It bizarre, definitely. David Kickner's character also makes that gross
Speaker 2: joke that's both racist and disparaging of sex workers. Oh
Speaker 2: maybe I missed that one that I won't repeat.
Speaker 1: Blink and you'd miss an offensive thing happening in this movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, also, we've touched on this to some extent,
Speaker 1: but just the again, the very horror movie tropy approach
Speaker 1: to women. The only women of color, and I can't
Speaker 1: even say we get to know because she is mostly
Speaker 1: mocked in order to be established, and then is slowly
Speaker 1: killed in the most humiliating way they can think of. Yes,
Speaker 1: the rest of the women are blonde in different shades
Speaker 1: of blond, and they are killed or not killed in
Speaker 1: the order that they display moral behavior quote unquote. So
Speaker 1: the woman who is the blondest and has sex, of course,
Speaker 1: is the first to go. Tiffany seems like she is
Speaker 1: only rescued by the fact that she has a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I would say the same for the Paris Hilton insert character, like.
Speaker 2: Who gets damseled and then has to be saved by
Speaker 2: the kickboxing tournament.
Speaker 1: Guys her boyfriend. Like every blonde who isn't killed is
Speaker 1: damseled at some point. I think the only one we
Speaker 1: see fight back is Claire, who is interestingly the only
Speaker 1: white brunette woman, which is just like so over the
Speaker 1: top ridiculous. It's also implied that she's the only woman
Speaker 1: with any ambitions outside of this, because we find out
Speaker 1: she's about to become a lawyer we know nothing about,
Speaker 1: which of course doesn't come back, but we know doesn't
Speaker 1: we're just told that.
Speaker 2: Pay off in any way or anything.
Speaker 1: But all of the other blonde women she's surrounded by
Speaker 1: appear to have either no backstory whatsoever outside of being
Speaker 1: horny or privileged or being a mother. So just all
Speaker 1: of these very stock character tropy things. I wanted to
Speaker 1: just take a quick moment to remind if you were
Speaker 1: not aware of Juliana Margulis, I just like, is just
Speaker 1: a very vile You can feel free to look up
Speaker 1: Juliana Margalise zionist comments if you would like your day
Speaker 1: absolutely ruined. Very unpleasant to see her pop up in
Speaker 1: any context. But as far as her character goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, I don't know. I'm a white brunette lady,
Speaker 1: and I do have a rich in her life, but
Speaker 1: so is everyone else, Like it was, and even her
Speaker 1: character is just so you know, she keeps it together,
Speaker 1: but then she cries once. And then that was another
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, does it think she and
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson are viving?
Speaker 2: Like completely went over my head?
Speaker 1: What did you think about that? I was just so
Speaker 1: not into it.
Speaker 2: I do think it's worth pointing out that so the end,
Speaker 2: as we have hinted at, there are several hetero romances
Speaker 2: that are just wedged in at the very end. One
Speaker 2: is between Sean and the flight attendant named Tiffany. They
Speaker 2: kiss for some reason, and then he's like, yeah, i'll
Speaker 2: definitely see you later. Let's let's go out. I'll take
Speaker 2: you to dinner, blah blah blah. Now, normally a kiss
Speaker 2: like that would be reserved for the male protagonist and
Speaker 2: then some woman, but since the protagonist is Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson and interracial on screen kisses were still not very
Speaker 2: common in two thousand and six. Yeah, there is this,
Speaker 2: you know, romance wedged in between him and the Claire character,
Speaker 2: but they don't have any kind of kiss or anything
Speaker 2: like that. It's just like, yeah, here's my number, let's
Speaker 2: go to dinner.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of I think we talked about this
Speaker 1: originally in Bad Boys, which I know is not a
Speaker 1: two thousand Smivie either.
Speaker 2: That are men in Black Men and Black Will Smith movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's you know, I think that at first glance,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, wow, this movie showed restraint, not really
Speaker 1: leaning into it. But then there is the racialized aspect
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I collecked that as well, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that that is not happening here. I very
Speaker 1: much believe that it could be. I just also but
Speaker 1: even story wise, it's hinted at so late in the
Speaker 1: movie between two characters who are objectively not vibing that.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I think they just
Speaker 2: like took they were they were using Speed as a
Speaker 2: playbook totally, and they were like, Okay, Keanu, he's the
Speaker 2: cop character. There's gonna be someone on the vehicle, whether
Speaker 2: it be a bus or a plane, who is gonna
Speaker 2: sort of emerge as the like prominent helper woman for Speed.
Speaker 2: It's Sandra Bullock's.
Speaker 1: Character prominent helper woman. And then yeah, Juliana Markleys is
Speaker 1: kind of like CVS brand Sandra Bullock and I'm in
Speaker 1: many ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and then so she emerges as that character
Speaker 2: and the movie snakes on a plane, so it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course she and the protagonists have to get together
Speaker 2: at the end. But they did nothing to earn that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: any moments that they were supposed to be vibing, I
Speaker 2: didn't pick up on it all, and it's also completely unnecessary,
Speaker 2: like the fact that it happens in speed I don't
Speaker 2: even mind because I'm like, sure, I'll look at Sandra
Speaker 2: Bullock and Kanu kiss and they have chemistry.
Speaker 1: I think it is like it and it's clearly established
Speaker 1: early in the movie that they're attracted to each other, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's important, like like that is established.
Speaker 2: Still unnecessary narratively.
Speaker 1: But you know, totally, but at least you believe that
Speaker 1: the movie was building towards that this happened so abruptly
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be surprised to hear that that happened
Speaker 1: in reshoots or like it was a studio note something
Speaker 1: like that, because it just felt I thought about that
Speaker 1: conversation that we had around blockbuster movies being historically hostile
Speaker 1: to interracial kisses, which it just feels like one of
Speaker 1: many problems with that attempted relationship because it's also so
Speaker 1: like it feels so haphazardly, just like and here's this,
Speaker 1: and you're like, we definitely didn't need it. But if
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen, why wasn't it established at all?
Speaker 2: I don't know, great question, Yeah, we don't know. Here's
Speaker 2: another some other questions I have, Okay, uh, okay. Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson is describing a snake at one point to the
Speaker 2: snake expert, and he says it's brownish on top and
Speaker 2: green on the bottom. Meanwhile, the snake he's describing is
Speaker 2: so visibly blue and purple. There's no green, there's no brown.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I.
Speaker 1: Didn't notice that. That's so funny. That's really great.
Speaker 2: That was just a little question I had. What was
Speaker 2: happening there? Another question? Okay, So the young mother with
Speaker 2: a baby who removes the venom from the little boy's arm.
Speaker 2: She's explaining how to do it. She's like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: swish olive oil in your mouth to steal it from
Speaker 2: the poison, and then you suck the poison out. But
Speaker 2: then she just takes a gulp of the olive oil
Speaker 2: and swallows it. You'd imagine that she would swish it
Speaker 2: around and then spit it back out.
Speaker 1: Like she just said she was going to do. But
Speaker 1: she k that's the mother's vistom or.
Speaker 2: Something exactly exactly. There's a moment where three g's he
Speaker 2: tries to breathe the oxygen out of like the oxygen
Speaker 2: masks that drop down from the overhead thing, but it's
Speaker 2: not working because they're like, oh, oxygen isn't flowing because
Speaker 2: of whatever, like the snake bit the electricity, and so
Speaker 2: the oxygen doesn't work. But then a couple scenes later,
Speaker 2: the little boy who had been bitten is breathing oxygen
Speaker 2: out of a similar oxygen men he's fine, and he's fine,
Speaker 2: and it seems to be working, so they forgot that
Speaker 2: the oxygen wasn't working.
Speaker 1: The rules of the plane are so all over the
Speaker 1: place because there's so many times where, for the bulk
Speaker 1: of this movie, the plane is actively crashing, but if
Speaker 1: you watch the scene, the examples of there being even
Speaker 1: vague turbulence just happens kind of whenever. But there's other
Speaker 1: things where it seems like it's totally fine and we're
Speaker 1: having full dialogue scenes and the snakes are the problem.
Speaker 1: There's like very rarely snakes and turbulence I'm imagining because
Speaker 1: that would be too hard to shoot. But then like,
Speaker 1: don't set the movie on a plane if that's gonna
Speaker 1: be too hard to shoot.
Speaker 2: But Jamie, the movie is called Snakes on a Plane.
Speaker 1: It has to be and Sam Jackson would not let
Speaker 1: that be changed. I know that had to have been this.
Speaker 1: What are your other questions I have? I only have answers.
Speaker 2: That was thank you so much. That was basically it. Oh,
Speaker 2: the the flight attendant Ken putting a snake in a
Speaker 2: microwave and says, who's your daddy now, bitch?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, basically presses like I loved that. And it
Speaker 1: seems like he pressed the snake button on the microwave
Speaker 1: and the snake exploded. I was like, wow, that really
Speaker 1: was perfectly timed. How could he have known what microwave
Speaker 1: button would be like exactly three and a half seconds,
Speaker 1: enough time to explode the snake.
Speaker 2: I did not notice there was a button labeled snake
Speaker 2: until I watched these like a few minutes of the
Speaker 2: Cinema Sins video for this movie. But in another movie,
Speaker 2: that would have been a hilarious joke.
Speaker 1: But that's not what this movie is. That's my guess
Speaker 1: is that was a reshoot thing. Because what I think is,
Speaker 1: I don't know, this isn't like a part of me
Speaker 1: is like, would this be a fen six minute because
Speaker 1: the way that like internet culture influenced this at different
Speaker 1: moments feels like weird things like the sporks joke feels
Speaker 1: very two thousand and six internet culture to me, of
Speaker 1: like random much sporks like sporks, bacon mustache, like just
Speaker 1: all this fucking dorky hot topic bullshit from that period
Speaker 1: of time that would have cracked me the hell up exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: epic random bacon like I don't know, the Sam Jackson
Speaker 1: saying sporks feels very two thousand and six internet bait
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, a little more the snake button. I
Speaker 1: don't even hate it, but it is like a very
Speaker 1: specific kind of annoying, and it is interesting that whatever
Speaker 1: that's not, we don't need to get into it. But
Speaker 1: I did think it was interesting that this movie got
Speaker 1: such buzz online that they literally changed parts of the
Speaker 1: movie in the hopes of converting this movie looks so
Speaker 1: ridiculous to I'm going to see it right, which apparently
Speaker 1: did not work. I mean, this movie was financially successful,
Speaker 1: but I don't think the degree that they wanted because
Speaker 1: they were really pushing, like they published a book called
Speaker 1: Snakes on a Plane, The Guide to the Internet sensation,
Speaker 1: like they were really trying to turn this into like
Speaker 1: a huge movie, which didn't really happen.
Speaker 2: Right, because it had a budget of thirty three million
Speaker 2: dollars production budget, which high honestly, it grossed sixty two millions,
Speaker 2: so it like more or less doubled its budget. But
Speaker 2: that was only the production budget. I bet they spent
Speaker 2: so much on marketing that this movie would actually be
Speaker 2: considered a big flop.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, or like at least a wash, because
Speaker 1: it just feels I don't know. I was curious because
Speaker 1: this comes at an interesting point in Sam Jackson's career,
Speaker 1: right where I feel like Sam Jackson for basically his
Speaker 1: entire career has been a supporting actor, which I think
Speaker 1: is the unfortunate fate of many prominent peace people of color,
Speaker 1: where you know, it can be very challenging to get
Speaker 1: a you know, band or role. This I was curious.
Speaker 1: I was like, was this supposed to be his big thing?
Speaker 1: The answer is no, because he's coming off of his
Speaker 1: like Mace Window years, basically like he's just finished the
Speaker 1: Star Wars. Uh, he's just finished his Star Wars. Well.
Speaker 2: Impressed that you know his character's name from those movies, Jamie.
Speaker 1: I I remember, weirdly he was. He made one of
Speaker 1: the bigger impressions to me because his saber was purple
Speaker 1: and I liked that, and so I remember what his
Speaker 1: name was. Boring character though it's so boring because he
Speaker 1: was just in all the Senate scenes. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is so boring. Anyways, So I was curious, why did
Speaker 1: sam Jackson do this movie the way he explains it.
Speaker 1: And I've seen this in print and in an interview,
Speaker 1: and I do believe him. He basically is like, it's
Speaker 1: a recession. Like he said, it was the kind of
Speaker 1: movie I would have gone to see when I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I feel sorry for all the people that
Speaker 1: are going through the whole trip of why would Samuel
Speaker 1: Jackson do something like this? And it's low brow. It's
Speaker 1: a movie people go to movies on Saturday to get
Speaker 1: away from the war in Iraq and taxes and election
Speaker 1: news and pedophiles online and just go and have some fun.
Speaker 1: And I like doing movies that are fun. Now, the
Speaker 1: way he phrases it we can take issue with. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's basically just saying I am
Speaker 1: not above doing an escapist movie because this is the
Speaker 1: kind of movies I enjoyed when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: he said. In other interviews, that I watched that. He's like,
Speaker 1: those kind of tend to be the kind of movies
Speaker 1: I want to do, is movies that I would really
Speaker 1: enjoy seeing when I was younger, and that can be
Speaker 1: Star Wars, but it can also be snakes on a plane.
Speaker 1: And when he phrased it like that, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's all I have to say about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. I I was curious about that too,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, all right, either he just
Speaker 2: has a po our person who's insisting that he defend
Speaker 2: his choice to be this movie, or he really believes that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but either way, I was so delighted
Speaker 2: to see him in the movie.
Speaker 1: I always I also like, do appreciate I mean, this
Speaker 1: movie is you know, not to drop the bit of
Speaker 1: the episode. This movie's dogshit right, but like it's but
Speaker 1: it's fun and it's campy, And I always appreciate when
Speaker 1: an actor stands by I've like, as I think, as
Speaker 1: I as I'm mature, I appreciate when an actor stands
Speaker 1: by their can't be performance. But also who cares? I
Speaker 1: want to do something you pointed out to me that
Speaker 1: I didn't realize when we were talking before, was this
Speaker 1: movie is weirdly high. I mean not that rotten Tomatoes
Speaker 1: means nothing, right, but like, why is it so high
Speaker 1: on this movie? I was shocked. I was coming in expecting,
Speaker 1: you know, a twelve percent.
Speaker 2: It's the same. The critics score on Rotten Tomatoes is
Speaker 2: sixty nine percent, meaning of course that sixty nine percent
Speaker 2: of critics gave this a positive of review, which is
Speaker 2: so much higher than I thought. And it's a rare
Speaker 2: movie that has a higher critics score than audience score,
Speaker 2: because the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is forty nine percent,
Speaker 2: meaning that only about like half the people polled or
Speaker 2: who said anything about it thought that it was good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, baffling, baffling that sixty nine percent of critics
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, this is this is fine.
Speaker 1: I it's weird. I mean, it just feels so like
Speaker 1: you would have to be in two thousand and six
Speaker 1: to understand why. I don't know, because it's like at
Speaker 1: the precipice of so many weird cultural changes that feel
Speaker 1: very kind of like hokey now in a way that
Speaker 1: it was like there's early Internet culture stuff going on,
Speaker 1: there's like still some oh something that I felt very
Speaker 1: Bush era. Not to say that this has improved in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, but there was a moment
Speaker 1: where I think it was the Bobby Kenna Valley character says,
Speaker 1: there's just like this broad racist thing that said in
Speaker 1: the Snake trailer question mark, where it's implied that some
Speaker 1: of the guy's snakes are from the Middle East. The
Speaker 1: Middle East is said as if it is a single country, right,
Speaker 1: he says, the Middle East. That would make that snake illegal,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it. Just it just felt very Bush era style
Speaker 1: of racism, Like the Middle East is a single place,
Speaker 1: and everyone and everything from this single place is illegal.
Speaker 1: Like that is the logic that that line bears out.
Speaker 1: And then the guy replies yes, and you're just like
Speaker 1: this is fucking miserable. But then he changes gears and says,
Speaker 1: I need the list of the snakes on the plane,
Speaker 1: and I'm like and I'm.
Speaker 2: Back, and he's like, give me the snake manifest.
Speaker 1: This literally the snake manifest And the guy's like it's
Speaker 1: right over there, Like it's right over there, like yeah.
Speaker 2: He's keeping it easily accessible in case this scene happens.
Speaker 1: Just absolute nonsense. Bibe. Yeah, I don't know, do you
Speaker 1: have anything else to say. It passes the Paxel test,
Speaker 1: if you can believe it. I a couple of.
Speaker 2: Times famously, as per usual, forgot to pay attention.
Speaker 1: So I was, I was paying attention. It passes between
Speaker 1: Claire and Tiffany, it passes between I believe, it passes
Speaker 1: between Claire and Grace.
Speaker 2: It passes.
Speaker 1: I mean it passes between a number of I mean,
Speaker 1: if we're you know, sometimes it's women talking about snakes.
Speaker 1: You know that's a pressing issue. Yeah, genderless icon the
Speaker 1: CGI snakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Really blown away that. I was like, there couldn't have
Speaker 1: been more than three snakes on side. There were four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. Where were they were they? Where the
Speaker 1: hell were these snakes? I only saw computer snakes. I
Speaker 1: saw one real snake.
Speaker 2: Then it makes you wonder about the ethics of that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't do further research into it.
Speaker 1: But like many things with this movie, safe to say
Speaker 1: probably not good.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, I didn't really have a whole lot else.
Speaker 2: I did want to do more research about, like would
Speaker 2: snakes behave this way? I feel like we need like
Speaker 2: a like Creature Future podcast. I'm just on this movie
Speaker 2: to be a help. But yeah, I have to imagine
Speaker 2: that a lot of the way that snake behavior was
Speaker 2: depicted was inaccurate. A lot of how you know, like
Speaker 2: airplane travel was depicted.
Speaker 1: That I feel like we can safely say that's I
Speaker 1: don't think at any point in history how that's worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a nipple scale where we rate the movie
Speaker 2: on a scale of zero to five nipples based on
Speaker 2: examine the movie through an intersectional feminist lens. I would
Speaker 2: give this a slithery, slimy zero nipples. Didn't really do
Speaker 2: anything good and it did everything wrong.
Speaker 1: I would say, Yeah, I was gonna say, I do
Speaker 1: want to just like thank our listeners one more time
Speaker 1: for being so patient and waiting, you know, eight and
Speaker 1: a half full years for this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you've been begging for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we hope this met your standards, but please do
Speaker 1: not spare us with your criticisms.
Speaker 2: We can finally handle it.
Speaker 1: We're finally in a place where we can accept the feedback.
Speaker 1: And with that, I'm going to give this zero nip.
Speaker 1: It is like such a wildly but I would love
Speaker 1: to see this movie.
Speaker 2: In a theater with you specifically.
Speaker 1: I think that would be so much fun.
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll re release it in twenty twenty six for
Speaker 2: the twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: It sounds honestly, and and if Sam Jackson still like
Speaker 1: stands by it, ish, let's just do it like why
Speaker 1: why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just uh, I had the best time watching this movie.
Speaker 2: It was awful. I'm so glad you're glad to hear it,
Speaker 2: and listeners, thank you for your support, thank you for
Speaker 2: indulging us. I guess I guess we shouldn't end the podcast.
Speaker 2: I guess we should keep going yea, actually and do
Speaker 2: more episodes.
Speaker 1: We should do. We should go surfing and bali and
Speaker 1: just figure out what happens next. Yeah, yeah, happy a
Speaker 1: proof ofs take a happy aprof.
Speaker 2: Did we get you? We got your asses? Didn't we?
Speaker 2: We bit your ass?
Speaker 1: We bit your asses? No HOMEO likes so ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: let's get off this motherfucking plane. No, what if you
Speaker 1: shot me? And I'm like, don't worry, I'm good. That's so.
Speaker 1: I do like that trope in movies where it's like
Speaker 1: the last, you know, the last, like, oh, no, jump,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I do think that we should get off the motherfucking
Speaker 2: podcast and say goodbye.
Speaker 1: Let's get off this motherfucking podcast just for today.
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