1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 3: DJ Buck back with you, And we have one of 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 3: our favorites joining us today. Luke Keigley is going to 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 3: join the show here in just a second. I want 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 3: to give everybody heads up what's going on with Luke. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 3: He's making his debut this Saturday as college football anals 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 3: for CBS Sports. Going to be on the call for 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 3: UMass and Northern Illinois. You can find that noon Eastern 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: on CBS Sports Network. 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Luke, what's up man? How are you doing? Thanks for 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: joining the show. 13 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, everything is good. We're in the thick pick 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: of football. We just kind of talked about it. Panthers. 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Panthers football can do a little college football, but obviously 16 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: most importantly seventh and eighth grade Charlotte Christian football team. 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: It's right big at a big win last night, and 18 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: we play a really good team next week. 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: So what's our record? Where are we at right now? 20 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: We're four and one. We lost week one to a 21 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: team here in Charlotte that one runs the wing tea. 22 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what Buck sweet role as Belly 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: g front side trap, backside trap. It's like, if you're 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: not looking at the right spot, you're in trouble. So 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: we practice without a ball. I don't know. It's we 26 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: spend too much time on youth football, but it's so 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: worth it. 28 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: You're speaking Bucky's language with that offense. 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: Well, no, no, no, I mean I love it. And I 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: can tell you because my dad's team used to run 31 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 4: that offense. They won a bunch of state titles running 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 4: that offense. You're right if your ads are all over 33 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 4: the place, it is. It is really really difficult and challenging. 34 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 4: But what I love about it, Look because I see 35 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 4: the all star coaching staff that you have, and I 36 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 4: just know how you wired. 37 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: How you do anything is how you do everything. 38 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: And so I just know these guys in middle school 39 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 4: are getting an NFL level practice plan, approach, a walk 40 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 4: through period, got pads on, pads off, We're doing everything. 41 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: We got the game day stuff. 42 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: I can only imagine what they're doing in seven and 43 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: eighth grade, being like what we're doing? 44 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: What? 45 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, come on early, got to get got to 46 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 4: it in, gotta get our rips in, we gotta get going. 47 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: It is so it's our thirty year doing it, and 48 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: it's so fun, but it's it's getting harder on defense now. 49 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Though the first two years, you'd watch tape on a 50 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: team and they'd have like two formations and they ran 51 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: like three plays. They had a run right, run left, 52 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: and then boot pass. So as long as you know that, 53 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to play real defense. You just line 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: guys up where the ball is going to be at 55 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the point of attack and just blitz and you'd kill people. 56 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: But now the team we played last night, they had 57 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: this kid who's number sixteen. He was tall, he was lean, 58 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: he had long hair, he looked like Trevor Lawrence, and 59 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: he could spling it. So then and now each of 60 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: these teams has they have a little wide receiver that 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: is like a slot guy that has a little sauce, 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: and so you have to play real defense. Now we 63 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: can't just line up and six down and rush the passer. 64 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: If you line up and six down, they're gonna throw 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: a slant, they're gonna split coverage and then you gotta 66 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: go tackle these kids. So the game's changed a lot 67 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. 68 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: How are you guys teaching tackling? I'd love to know 69 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: that I. 70 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: Talk about body like, body on body, right, head up, 71 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: see what you're hitting. I think the biggest thing is 72 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: you got to put your body on guys, and you 73 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: got to run your feet. And too many guys want 74 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: to dive and try to put you know, try to 75 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: dive across the thigh board. And you know, I'm a 76 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: huge proponent of I want contact on on their body, 77 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: my body on their body. I want to put my 78 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: chest in, my shoulders on a guy. I want to wrap, 79 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: and I want to run my feet, and I want 80 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: to stop forward momentum. And so if you're coming from 81 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: the side, if you so, if you're if you're on 82 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: an angle tackle, the number one thing you can do 83 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: is to get him moving sideways because then all my 84 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: momentums going sideways. Now his momentum is going sideways, and 85 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: that's when you make good tackles. If he can continue 86 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: to move forward, you're in trouble. If you can't turn 87 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: a guy, you can't get his shoulders turned. On an 88 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: angle tackle, you're not going to get these big physical 89 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: guys in the ground. And then a profile tackle straight 90 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: in the hole, big chest, head across, rise through your hips, 91 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: run your feet, and grab cloth and like that's it's 92 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: it's hard to teach because now these kids have shake 93 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: and wiggle and if you get him in space, like 94 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: you better, you better vice him, you better. It's it's 95 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: a whole different game of football now than it was 96 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: the last two years, which is great. 97 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: Do you teach come to balance in space there or 98 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: do you teach run through? 99 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: Run through it? 100 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: Run through? Because my thought process is if my angle 101 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: is good to the ball carrier, he has two places 102 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: he can go. He can continue to run to the sideline, 103 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: or he can run vertical. If he cuts back, he's 104 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: running right in the leverage. So that was my thing 105 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: is I'm attacking a near hip, packing kind of the 106 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: middle to the back half of his hip. If he 107 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: puts his foot in the ground and cuts back, boom, 108 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: I got him. If he's got a little bit more 109 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: speed than I than I do and I have to 110 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: flatten my angle, I can always make a tackle that way. 111 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: And if you he wants to continue to run vertical, 112 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run through his hip. I love hearing 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: the tackling. 114 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: And I don't know what the rules are like in 115 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: North Carolina when it comes to how much you guys 116 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 4: can get involved. But one of the things that has 117 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: helped me with young guys is we tackle year round 118 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 4: and so like the rugby tackling part, like just putting 119 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: them maybe one yard apart and tell them to go 120 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: like fifty percent, So they get used to wrapping, squeeze 121 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: and you know it's time on task. The more they 122 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: do it, particularly without past because now you're telling them, hey, 123 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: we go hit right across the thigh boards, We're gonna wrap, squeeze, 124 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 4: wrap them down like lassoing a bronco and take them down. 125 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 4: And you find that if they do it over and 126 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 4: over and over again, they just begin to make the 127 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: kind of tackles on tape that they do in practice. 128 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: So it's great to hear you talk about the angle tackling, 129 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: but we try and tackle all the time year round, 130 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: so they get used to it so it's not new 131 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 4: when they get into the regular season. 132 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a good approach because I think 133 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: people are all tackling is inherently dangerous and you get hurt. 134 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: But I think the more you do it, and if 135 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: you're you don't do it every day, but the more 136 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: you do it, I think guys get comfortable more comfortable 137 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: doing it. And that was always the hardest part about 138 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: getting back into the season from the offseason was hitting 139 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: guys at full speed because I Ota, you can go 140 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: tag off and whatever, but there's there's a learning curve 141 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: regardless of how many times you've tackled people when those 142 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: pads come back on and it goes from like thud 143 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: at practice to full speed and games, you got to 144 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: get used to that again. 145 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: Now that's a great point, dude. I love all this stuff, man. 146 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: I want to get onto some NFL stuff, Luke. You've 147 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: been calling Panther games, You've been really around it on 148 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: a weekly basis. Here, I want to get some thoughts, 149 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: just defensive trends. If you've seen anything, if you've noticed anything, 150 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: it seems like there's always a new fresh thing, the 151 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: new idea, and it usually spreads to the league fast. 152 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: But have you seen anything thus far through you know, 153 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: four games that has jumped out to you from a 154 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: trend standpoint. 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: I think. I think the amount of pressure that Brian 156 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: Flores has brought this year has caused has just been 157 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: causing problems for everybody. I mean that defense, you know, 158 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: you go in against San Francisco and that he's got 159 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: a good feel for I think that system. So there's 160 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: that side of it of the floor as I'm going 161 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: to bring a ton of pressure, and then also there's 162 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: a side of it that's, hey, we're gonna sit back, 163 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna play split safety, we're going to keep the 164 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: ball in front of us. We're going to give up 165 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: some yards on the ground. We're okay with that. We 166 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: just don't want to get the ball thrown over our heads. 167 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: So I think there's kind of two trains of thought 168 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: this year. It's heavy pressure that works great, and then also, hey, 169 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: let's play safe defense. What's tighten up in the red zone. 170 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: We's try to create some negative plays early, but at 171 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day, no big plays, no balls 172 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: over our head, and we'll live to play another down 173 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: in the run game. Yeah, it's funny. 174 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: So I want to ask you about that because it's 175 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 4: funny as you bring up to the Minnesota thing, because I 176 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,559 Speaker 4: think everyone is trying to catch up to what they're doing, 177 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 4: and what they're doing really comes from the collegiate level, 178 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: where at the collegiate level, the hot thing is hot 179 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: blitzes eyes blitz is what they call six man pressure 180 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 4: two under three deep, force them to deal with the pressure, 181 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 4: but make the ball come in front. But then your 182 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 4: hole droppers, your seemers are looking at the eyes of 183 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: the quarterback. It doesn't appear sound on paper, but the 184 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings and a lot of people are having a 185 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: lot of success. So as an underneath dropper like you, 186 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 4: spend most of your life if you weren't blissing, talk 187 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: about playing eyes on the quarterback and how you can 188 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: make up ground by reading the quarterback, as opposed to 189 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 4: worrying about demand and where they're going. 190 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: I think the thought process is it's a timing game, right, 191 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: So if we send six, somebody's not blocked, right, they're 192 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: going to keep somebody in. The running backs probably not 193 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: going to get out. So if I'm looking at the quarterback, 194 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: and i have my eyes in the quarterback, and I'm 195 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: playing with a little bit of depth, naturally those guys 196 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: are probably playing off the inside receivers. Wherever that quarterback looks. 197 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: You might if he takes a quick look, you're not 198 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: going because you could look off. He's got enough time 199 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: to do that. But if he's really locked in, that's 200 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: where you're going because that's where the ball is coming out, 201 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: because if he holds it and he goes to read too, 202 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: he's getting hit. And I think a lot of times too, 203 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: it's if he can go one boom and go to 204 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: two and he can throw that ball, then it's on 205 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: the rush. So these droppers eyes in the quarterback, sit back, 206 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: see him wherever he looks boom, find my receiver. But 207 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: then the stress of the defense comes on those guys. 208 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: They have to tackle. You have got to be able 209 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: to tackle, and that's where the stress on it comes. 210 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: But I think Flores and all these guys say, hey, 211 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: my six man pressure is gonna get there. We're gonna 212 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: sit back the vision wherever that first look is, Boom, 213 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm going right now to the nearest receiver. 214 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: You guys, ever change leverage look on the defense as 215 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: you're on just in terms of watching these young quarterbacks 216 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: every week, and you saw a little bit with Bryce, 217 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: but when you see these young quarterbacks, they're so reluctant 218 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: to work in the middle of the field. Did you 219 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: guys ever change leverage and just say we're going to 220 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: against some quarterbacks, usually a younger quarterback, we're gonna trying 221 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: funnel we're gonna try and make them work in kind 222 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 3: of the chaos and the noise in the middle of 223 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: the field. 224 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: Not not necessarily in that because if say they're running a slant, 225 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: say it's I don't know, say it's say it's empty right, 226 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: and it's three the three sides to my fun playing 227 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: defense to my left and backside. They run a slant 228 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: and everything front side is gone. That slant and they 229 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: catch a slant, it's gone, right. Yeah, But what I think, 230 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: what I think you can do to change the leverage 231 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: the first when you brought that up, The first thing 232 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: that I thought of is say it's say it's one hole, right, 233 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: so deep safety in the middle of the field. I 234 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: got a plug player that has no responsibility except just 235 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: kind of patrol the middle of the field in the 236 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: five to ten yard window. Your natural leverage as a 237 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: as a slot defender is going to be outside leverage. 238 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: You're going to funnel everything inside. And if a quarterback 239 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: sees that, he understands, hey the plan man coverage, there's 240 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: going to be some sort of low hole hook player 241 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: could be alert player from the safety position. I know that. 242 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: So like Bryce is smart enough, these young quarterbacks are 243 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: smart enough to see that. But I think what happens 244 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: is if you line up outside pre snap team blue 245 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: eight teen, set hut on the snap, boom stem inside 246 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: now then boom Now it turns into two man, you 247 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean, or you flip it you go 248 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: inside leverage looks like two man. On the snap, you 249 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: line up outside the quarterback side, Boom, I got an 250 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: inside win right away, throw it on his chest. Boom, 251 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: that alert player comes in and picks it. So that 252 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: was more Our approach on leverage was, you know, line 253 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: up inside, boom on the snap, get get the outside leverage. 254 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of that's just a way 255 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: to disguise and show something different. I love. 256 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 4: Look, you talked about like two trains of thoughts, So 257 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: we just talked about pressure. But the other part is 258 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: you have a lot of defensive coordinators say, hey man, 259 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: I'll let you run all day, and we're gonna tighten 260 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: up in the red zone. We're not gonna let the 261 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 4: ball flower our head. We're gonna keep the score down 262 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: by doing that. As a defender who likes to get 263 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: after it, as a defensive coordinator, how do I get 264 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 4: you guys to into hey, don't worry about the run 265 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 4: leaking a little bit. Our overwatching thing is no big plays, 266 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: tackle will. We're gonna do all that tricks and stuff 267 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 4: in the red zone. 268 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: So I came from the mindset of old school, limit 269 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: the run game, single high. We'll play really well in 270 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: the passing game because we know what our job is. 271 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: But if it gets hard as a linebacker to have 272 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: that ball just push on you right, if your two gap, 273 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: and if it's split safety, it's a six man box, 274 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: seven and a half seven man box, it gets hard. 275 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: So I think as long as the message is clear 276 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: from these defensive coordinators that hey, stop it for four 277 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: and a half five yards, we can't have twenty yard pops. 278 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: If it's four yards five yards, good, We're going to 279 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: get a negative play every once in a while. We 280 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: understand that it's hard. I'm like, okay, great, But then 281 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: when we do get in the red zone, I have 282 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: to feel that we've got a really good plan to 283 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: force in the kickfield goals. So as long as the 284 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator takes the ownership and says, hey, look, guys, 285 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: I know we're not going to limit every run to 286 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: three yards or two yards, we can't have any pop 287 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: on us. If it's four yards, I can deal with 288 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: that right and split safety specifically. And then when you 289 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: get in the red zone, here's my plan to create 290 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: turnovers and force field goals. And if and if I'm like, hey, 291 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: you know what I like it, you take ownership. We've 292 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: got a really good red zone plan. Then I think 293 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: most guys are going to get on board of that. 294 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break and we'll be 295 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: right back. One of the things we've seen, Luke, just 296 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 3: every years there's innovation with motion. Every year you're seeing 297 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: everybody's trying to do the newest thing. One of the 298 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: things this year that's been interesting. Now what Buffalo's doing 299 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: is nuts, like the way they've been moving guys around. 300 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 3: But to me, what's jumped out I was talking to 301 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: Kurt Warned about this the other day, was the speed 302 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 3: of motion. Now, like dude, it used to be almost 303 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: like it was an indicat it's a coverage indicator, you know, 304 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: kind of mosey along like dude, Like, now they are 305 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: rolling on motion. 306 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: Well you think about all right, So says say it's 307 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: two by two and the slot receiver motions to three 308 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: by one. You don't there is no stress on anybody 309 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: in the second level of the defense for him to 310 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: get out front side. He's motioning across. Make it two 311 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: by two to three by one, and you're like, he's 312 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: just gonna move over there. Nickel comes over Mike and 313 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: will switch. You can figure out rotation. But now it's like, hey, 314 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: we're playing the San Francisco forty nine ers and they 315 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: line up in two by two and Deebo Samuel is 316 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: running mock five across the formation. I don't know if 317 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: he's getting the ball. I don't know if he's running 318 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: a pass route. I don't. Now I have to get hey, 319 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: is this zoom motion? Because if it's zoom, I have 320 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: to bump. It's just the more speed that happens pre 321 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: snap on the offensive side of the ball, the more 322 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: stress that puts on a defense. And it makes playing 323 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: the run game really hard because you can't get down hill. 324 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: All your movement as a backer is lateral. It's just it. 325 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: Stress on the defense is caused by pre snap motion 326 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: and the speed at which they do it. 327 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: You know, so you you played with a few different 328 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: teams where you've had older guys, you've had younger guys. 329 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: There are a lot of guys that are coming right 330 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: in the draft and playing right away, particularly in the secondary. 331 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 4: So if you're the linebacker, the communicator guy, how do 332 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: you make sure that all your young guys are on 333 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: the same page. When you don't play a simple Simon defense, 334 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 4: you do have a lot of checks and AFC type 335 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 4: things where they. 336 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: Have to know what to do. 337 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: A lot of it starts. I learned a lot from 338 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Thomas Davis on the value of relationships in the locker 339 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: room as dudes, right, you got to take you got 340 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: to take on the field stuff away and get to 341 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: know the guys on your team, because then you can 342 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: talk to him and you know him and you know 343 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: what drives him and maybe he's a really good player 344 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: and he's having a bad day one day and like 345 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: and if you have a good relationationship with him, like hey, buddy, 346 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: like what's going on? Like you okay? And then oh 347 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: something's going on? Okay, I get it. So I think 348 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: that's number one, and I think number two the communication 349 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: has to start day one when they get there. If 350 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: we're in a formation and he's not talking, you just 351 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: talked to him like, Hey, I was lucky. I had 352 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: a great nickelback and Captain Monowin when I first got 353 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: there and he and it was flipped for me. I 354 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: was a young guy in there, and he'd be like, hey, looke, hey, 355 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: two by two, if they motion right here, I'm coming 356 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: over and we're going to go to trap on this side. 357 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: And so I wouldn't have to talk. I mean, I 358 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: was trying to figure it out. But Captain was so 359 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: good because he was very smart. He understood the defense, 360 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: so he could help me out. And then as OTA's progressed, 361 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: I started to pick up on it a little bit more. 362 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: And then training camp comes and it's a slow, gradual build. 363 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: So then when I would get young guys in, I 364 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: treated it just like that with kapn Hey, young guys in. 365 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: He's playing safety. I should know all the calls being 366 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: in my couple of year years in, so I'd say, hey, 367 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: so and so, hey, we got a week sad rotation 368 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: right here. It's called we call it lew and Rose. 369 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: That's what we call it. Like you're coming down right here. 370 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: And then as time progresses, if you just work with 371 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: these guys and hang with them and talk to them 372 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: and explain stuff with them. They want to do, they 373 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: want to do a good job. And slowly, over time 374 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: we found that you get to know the guys in 375 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: your team, you form a relationship, you talk it through 376 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: them with them on the field and the meeting rooms 377 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: and walk throughs, and you really make it a point 378 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: that communication is important. They just pick up on it, 379 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: and they played enough ball that they understand what you're 380 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: trying to do. Maybe terminology is different, but relationships and 381 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: starting at day one are super important. 382 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 3: Communication, gosh, so important, especially on that side of the ball. 383 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: I'm curious now is you got some experience coaching and 384 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 3: now you get a chance you're call in college games, 385 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 3: and then with your experience on the field green dot. 386 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: That's new for college this year, where you can communicate 387 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: and we talk about it. We talked about it a 388 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: lot with quarterbacks being paired up with sharp offensive play 389 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: colors in college. The benefit that in college, because of 390 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 3: your roster size, you can afford to play at breakneck speed, 391 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: so which means you get even more time with the 392 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, with the you know, with the head 393 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: coach in your ear, the play caller in your ear 394 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: as a coach. Defensively if you're a defensive coordinator in college, 395 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 3: what are there innovative ways you could use the green 396 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: dot with your communication to to to, you know, maybe 397 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: take that to another level defensively that people haven't thought about. 398 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, I think I think the ability because it 399 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: cuts off at fifteen, just like the NFL, see, the 400 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: ability to have formation recognition from the sideline is really good. Right, 401 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: So say it's two by two, they break the formation. Boom. 402 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: You know, these the players got a lot of stuff 403 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: to think about on the sideline or on the field. 404 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: But if I'm a coach and hey it's two by two, 405 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: it's gone far, it's an obvious passing situation. Boom, They're 406 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: trying to get back on track. It's you know, second 407 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: and ten. Hey, looke. Top concepts are spacing, slam flat 408 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: and dragon boom. Got it. 409 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: That's huge. 410 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: Think about how different that is for this kid versus 411 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: flying blind to Now you got a wingman out there 412 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: with you, So. 413 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: I've got a great So we played We played the 414 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs in twenty fifteen. This is 415 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: after the twenty fourteen season, so we played them in 416 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: fifteen playoffs in the sixteen playoffs. But the last play 417 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: of the game, we were playing Arizona at home. They 418 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: were in the high red zone. We were in cover 419 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: two and my linebacker, coach Al Hulkham, he's up in buffalo. 420 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: Now they broke the formation. I'm looking. I'm like, that's weird. 421 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Like Larry Fitzgerald in the slot at number three. Al 422 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: Hulkam from the sideline says, number eleven in the slot, 423 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: all go, And I was like, ah done. I just 424 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: I totally ran past number three, running down the field 425 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: and went right to Larry. 426 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: And so it looks like, actually what was going on? 427 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: But that little thing right there was so big. Right, hey, situation, 428 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: Larry's in the slot, cover two, stress is there? Go 429 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: get it. And then on the offensive side of the ball, 430 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: you know, the one thing that you can do as 431 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: an offense, This is what the Saints used to do 432 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: with Sean Payton. He would he would hold personnel, he'd 433 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: probably call the play and the drew so it'd be 434 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: like drew five offensive linemen a tight end and then 435 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: he'd have like Sprolls mark Ingram, Mike Thomas, you know, 436 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: Marcus Colston, and we had packages for all those guys. 437 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: You'd call the play to Drew, He'd wait till fifteen. 438 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: Send all those guys in our earpiece is dead. Yeah, 439 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: so then now I have to look to the sideline. 440 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: It's like twenty one Sprolls Colston, get everybody lined up. 441 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: So it's a cat and mouse game. But on defense, 442 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: it's hey, the amount of input that you can get 443 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: before that thing cuts off at fifteen, it's huge. And 444 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 1: then on the offense side of the ball, play the 445 00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: game a little bit too. 446 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 4: So Luke, it's funny you bring this up because at 447 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 4: the end of the college football playoffs last year, Nick 448 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: Saban talked about the challenge of playing Michigan. Wasn't that 449 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 4: they were a no huddle up tempo team. Was the 450 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: fact that they were a huddle team, and for so 451 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: long in college football they had been able to see 452 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 4: formations line them up, coaches say, oh, they're three by one, 453 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 4: here's the call. And he said Michigan operated at a 454 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: slower pace. So now the things that they used to 455 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 4: do they had to go all the way back. So 456 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 4: expand on that part of like Sean Payton or someone 457 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 4: playing slower in the huddle, kind of taking it down. 458 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 4: And now you don't have the opportunity to go through 459 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 4: the inventory and get your team lined up correctly with 460 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: all the other information that you normally do. If they 461 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: if they're out of the huddle early in the play card, well. 462 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Like think about it. So if if I'm looking at 463 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: the huddle and it's the neuron Saints and it's you know, 464 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: they always had a blocking tight end, and then they 465 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: had you know, an excellus and then they had mark 466 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: ingram in the backfield. Right, okay, blocking tight end, mark 467 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: ingram probably those scrolls probably like we're thinking more run, 468 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: play action pass, more power football. And then if all right, 469 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: so they line up in the backfield and it's a 470 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: receiving tight end and Sprolls is in the backfield and 471 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: you know you got an X in his z Okay, 472 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: now it's more like wide zone, get outside swing, pass screens, 473 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: stuff to get Sprolls matched up on a backer. All right, Now, 474 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm going through that rolodex in my head. But now 475 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: when they're all on the sideline and they hold it 476 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: and they run five guys on the field, like, all right, cool, 477 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: who is it? I can't I have no earpiece. I'm like, 478 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: all right, there's scrolls coolest Ingram's in the game too, 479 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: So now it's like twenty one pony, and then I 480 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: got to look the sideline and get the call. And 481 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: then by the time they break the huddle, there's six 482 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: seconds left on the playcock, so they're gonna get up 483 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: there and snap it. There's just not enough time to 484 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: really go through your progression. Where if a team lines 485 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: up in twenty one personnel and that's what it is 486 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: in the huddle, and I can see the running back 487 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: and the fullback and the tight end like I'm one, 488 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: Like okay, And then they break the huddle and slowly 489 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: come up and they're looking around. They're trying to see rotation, 490 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: like you got so much time to figure out what's 491 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 1: going on. But if they hold personnel, they bring them 492 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: on late, they get up to the line of scrimmage, 493 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: they snap it. It's just it's a different game. 494 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: It's fascinating to me. 495 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: Everybody's been so obsessed with playing fast, and now there's 496 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: almost benefits to playing slow. 497 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: It's a it's definitely the Yeah, it's a zig and 498 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: the zag man. 499 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to do something that nobody else is doing, 500 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 3: just to be different than what you see on a 501 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 3: weekly basis. Looke, dude, It's it's always a treat to 502 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: get to visit with you. 503 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: Man. 504 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: I want to ask one favor of you before we 505 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 3: leave and let you go. Uh, Bucky doesn't know your 506 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: Harbor recruiting story that you share with me. 507 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 508 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: For those who don't know, Luke was coming out, Stanford 509 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 3: was hot after him, and he took a visit there. 510 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 3: I'll let you take story from there with Yeah. 511 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: So Buck like Stanford was high high on my list. 512 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: I love Jim Harbaugh and I went out there on 513 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: a visit. This is This is January after my junior year, 514 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: so I'm my official visit out there. Visit's going great, 515 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: everything's good. There's twenty five guys out there, and Harbo's like, hey, 516 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: I want to come into my office and I'm going 517 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: to talk to you. I'm like great. So I go 518 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: in there with my dad and he's sitting, you know, 519 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: behind his desk, and I'm sitting on like a black 520 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: leather couch that's probably ten feet away from his desk. 521 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: The sun is coming in very similar to how I am. Now, 522 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: I got a window behind me. Imagine the chair or 523 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: the couch is in front of me, and it's kind 524 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: of hot and the sun is blazing on me. I'm 525 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: sweating and he's talking to me and he's, hey, you 526 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: coming to Stanford? And I'm like, you know what, Coach, 527 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet. I've really enjoyed my visit. And 528 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm seven, seventeen years old. I'm at Stanford. It's Jim 529 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: Harball like, yeah, this place is sweet. And as the 530 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: conversation is going on, he comes from behind his desk 531 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: on his chair into the front of the desk. Are 532 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: you gonna come? Are you gonna come? Why don't you 533 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: want to come? Blah blah blah. He wheels up to 534 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: me and before I know it, I'm profusely sweating. I 535 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: have shorts on. I'm sticking to the couch and he's 536 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: like in my face, are you Like he's are you 537 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: gonna come to Stanford? And meanwhile I'm sweating and my 538 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: dad is sitting on the couch next to me, no son, 539 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: and he is loving every second of this because he's 540 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: watching me, and he's loving that. I'm uncomfortable, and slowly 541 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: after just my dad loved it. I think he got 542 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: to the point where he's like, hey, coach, you know what, 543 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: We've really loved our visit. I don't think Luke's ready 544 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: to make a decision, but he's certainly interested in coming 545 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: here to Stanford. And Jim Harbaugh is like, great, that's 546 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: all I needed to hear. Love it. And so then 547 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: I ended up obviously not going to Stanford. And so 548 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm coming out for the Combine. I'm at the Combine. 549 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm walking around, you know that a big atrium where 550 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: the teams interview everybody, and who do I see? Jim 551 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: Harpott and he comes up to me. I'm like, what's up, coach. 552 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: He's like, hey, man, great to see you, and he 553 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: makes some like comment. He's like, yeah, I think we're 554 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: gonna I think we're thinking about drafting you. And I'm like, hey, no, 555 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: you're not. You've got Lavarro Bowman and Patrick Willis. Of course, 556 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: he starts laughing and he said, he said, hey, you 557 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: broke my heart. You didn't come to Stanford, blah blah blah. 558 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, I know, coach, like I'm sorry, 559 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: but guess what. He's like, what I said, you would 560 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: have broke my heart too. I would have come to 561 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Stanford for a year or two and then you would 562 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: have left to go to San Francisco. And of course 563 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: he starts laughing again too. So he's a he's awesome. 564 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: He's a football guy and we've had a good, a 565 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: good back and forth. You know, recruited me in high school. 566 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: I never saw him in college. I came out for 567 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: the combine. I saw him there. It's played against him 568 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: when he was in San Francisco. So he's awesome. 569 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: That's a great story, that Buck. 570 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: He's always on something like it's always he was. 571 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: He was wearing cleats during the game when we played 572 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: out there. 573 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: Okay, you see him with the gloves and the warm up. 574 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 3: So he goes out there and catches during the game. Yeah, 575 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: he wears in the practice every day. 576 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: I love it. 577 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he is all football man. Was not an ounce 578 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: of him. That's what he said. I mean, that's what 579 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: his famous line is. I'm gonna play football as long 580 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 3: as I can play football. Then I'm gonna coach football 581 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: as long as I can coach football. Then I'm gonna die. 582 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: Like that's that was that's literally his he said, that's 583 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 3: his life plan. 584 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: So awesome. 585 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. 586 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: All right, Look you're the best, man. We appreciate you 587 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 3: taking the time. It's always cool. We never know where 588 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna go, but it's just such a fascinating discussion 589 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: and love love chatting with you. Man, all the best 590 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: calling that ball game again. That's on CBA Sports Network. 591 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: Northern Illinois, U Mass by the way, any uh, we 592 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: got any anybody in that game that has you fired 593 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: up or excited when you've been looking forward to this one. 594 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: You know what, it's funny. You're gonna you're gonna laugh 595 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: at me. They've got Northern Illinois has a fullback, Brock 596 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: Brock Lampy, and he is old school. They give him 597 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: the ball on shortyard and she just runs through guys faces. 598 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: They run some gap scheme football with him and he 599 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: is physical and I love it. 600 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,239 Speaker 2: It's I love it. 601 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a fullback, but he just plays. He plays 602 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: football the right way. 603 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: Next Michael the Berner Turner there is in Northern Illinois 604 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 3: or you Mass Northern Illinois. 605 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: Gain. 606 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a husky man. That's freaking the home of 607 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: Michael Turner. Let's go here we go all right, he'll 608 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 3: put him on the list. Well, we'll get a chance 609 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: to watch him as we go forward. All right, look, 610 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 3: appreciate you man all the best, have a great weekend. 611 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. All right, well that's gonna do it again. 612 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: Can't thank Luke Keikley enough. Just a total stud. Love 613 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: getting a chance to talk with him and feel like 614 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: we learned something each and every time. Hopefully you did 615 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: as well. He is the best. We've got another episode 616 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 3: coming your way tomorrow, so be on the lookout for that. 617 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time right here on movie sticks.