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Speaker 1: Hm reveal reveale.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, timpeted group. Jesus, Oh do you

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Speaker 2: want to?

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Speaker 3: She's doing its time to. Oh yeah, it's Monday, July

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Speaker 3: fourteenth of the twenty five. Let's kick off a bad

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Speaker 3: ass combat sports week like only we can do Today

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Speaker 3: on Morning Combat, I'm Brian Campbell, the suburban Connecticut king

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Speaker 3: of all things cringe maybe maybe or maybe maybe pale

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Speaker 3: health and distinguished gentlemanship. But next to me is a

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Speaker 3: do DC's finest. He's a pretty damn good fight analyst

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Speaker 3: for a guy that refuses to fight. They call him

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Speaker 3: Luke Thomas. Hey, Luke, how are you?

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Speaker 1: What's up? HEC? How was your weekend?

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Speaker 3: It was heavy on work, but I will say this,

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Speaker 3: the work was fun because Box was back this past

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Speaker 3: weekend with those back to back NYC cards And I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you checked the combat schedule for Saturday,

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Speaker 3: but it's more loaded than one of your adult diapers

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Speaker 3: in about twenty five years. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I took a dump that breached the surface today, So

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Speaker 4: that's okay.

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Speaker 3: You're crowding like the King of England. Hey, we have

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Speaker 3: a loaded show for you today. Not only are we

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Speaker 3: going to recap UFC Nashville, Taylor's Serato three and really

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Speaker 3: a bad ass, balls out All Action Ring three card

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Speaker 3: from NYC. Over the over the past weekend, we are

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Speaker 3: going to look ahead in a big way with special guests.

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Speaker 3: At noon Eastern, former world champion and a fine boxing analyst,

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Speaker 3: Chris al Jerry will join us live from Las Vegas

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Speaker 3: as we set the stage for Pacqui al Barrios. We

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Speaker 3: got Who's Sick du Bois Part two this weekend. A

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Speaker 3: we're gonna press pause on BC's feces and how about

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Speaker 3: we welcome a live guest. When I say live, I

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Speaker 3: mean live in Luke's office, Craig Jones of Jiu Jitsu,

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Speaker 3: Grappling and Prostitution Circles. Luke, I am fired up for

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Speaker 1: Be a fun one.

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Speaker 4: As you indicated, you know there's the boxing over the

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Speaker 4: weekend was great. The combat Sports calendar, at least in

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Speaker 4: terms of main events this coming weekend is outstanding, so

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Speaker 4: a lot to enjoy and get.

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Speaker 3: To Absolutely, Luke Thomas. It maybe early morning on the

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Speaker 3: East coast, but now is a good time to remember

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Speaker 3: Jed Meshu the second and how about this? Have you

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Speaker 3: seen the shit? Get I moved to Wednesday? Also, So

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Speaker 3: Luke Thomas, we're going to be rocking out with a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this one's going to be a real good time

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Speaker 4: and as an indicate that main event for USC three

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Speaker 1: The rest of the card, you know, a little hit

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Speaker 3: How about absolutely absolutely here sobsolutely Chris al Jerry. Today

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Speaker 3: at noon Eastern we'll look at the boxing Craig Jones

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Speaker 3: live on this broadcast at twelve thirty to talk about

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Speaker 3: leaving the B team and all things CGI two in

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Speaker 3: the future of the Jesuites. So a lot to get

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Speaker 3: And a quick killo to our producer, director of Bong,

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Speaker 3: Card Minute podcast. He came here on a one way

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Speaker 3: ticket by way of a horned Australian's ball bag. Yeah

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Speaker 3: it is Luke Nosita. But Luke, you mentioned to us

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Speaker 6: me a betting expert to intro MEBC went perfect this weekend,

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Speaker 6: big weekend, big weekend for main carme min.

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Speaker 5: Also, my boy asked me to be his best man

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, decent boyfriend too. You know you

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Speaker 3: got to give Luke Nosita that credit right there? All right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he reminds me of all those people who go

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Speaker 3: to Morning Combat at gmail dot com and do the

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Speaker 3: We got a busy show. Topic number one begins right now.

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Speaker 3: UFC Nashville over the weekend was a fight night card that, hey,

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Speaker 3: wasn't that strong on paper? I thought we got fireworks

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Speaker 3: Lewis would say leading up to this fight that he

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Speaker 3: only did the Black Beast get in his best shape

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Speaker 3: a fresh opponent for tom Aspinall. So, Luke, if this

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Speaker 3: would you be insulted by it? Given the extreme lack

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Speaker 4: Friday's MK. We deserves to be repeated here. Heavyweight is

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Speaker 4: In this particular case, they're going to get one. It's

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Speaker 1: And I'm basically okay with it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying he has to be next for Tom

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Speaker 4: Aspen all if they wanted to make the serial Gone fight,

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Speaker 4: it's a fresh matchup. This one is too, but you

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Speaker 4: Derek Lewis is beloved, Derek Lewis is. You can make

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Speaker 4: the most prolific and the most prolific in this heavyweight

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Speaker 4: to vision people like him, he's guaranteed action. It's a

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Speaker 4: fresh matchup. The division needs some help. Guys are going

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Speaker 1: I this is great. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is them making the best

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Speaker 1: Derek Lewis, it won't be boring.

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Speaker 4: And if I maybe see saying one more thing, tom

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Speaker 4: Aspitall is obviously very very good. But one of the

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Speaker 4: ed many reason subting unification blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of unknowns about.

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Speaker 4: Tom Aspitall and some of the stuff that shows up

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Speaker 4: and getting clipped. You know, Derek Lewis, I don't know

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Speaker 4: that I would favor him to win, but that kind

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Speaker 4: of threat cannot be dismissed either. I've seen guys get

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Speaker 5: BC.

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Speaker 4: This is not how other divisions in a healthy way

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that I'm not upset by it, I

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Speaker 1: You're it? You got senteled again, did I? So?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, man, I get Mma senteld like no one's business.

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Speaker 4: I large just wondered how can fake news spread because

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I did drop out of college to

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Speaker 3: be fair. But Luke the larger point, he obviously got

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Speaker 3: He typically does that over his because his elite career

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Speaker 3: even at age forty, still about equally as dangerous as

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Speaker 4: Right I again, he could get taken down and thrashed.

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Speaker 4: to the point you raised, BC, this is something I've

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Speaker 1: And so to the point you raise, you kind of associate.

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Speaker 4: Guys with their peak moment in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 1: But I do agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, for example, like that one thing where he

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Speaker 4: He doesn't panic in bad spots. So he's got limits,

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Speaker 4: Tom Aspinall. However, however, his knockout power cannot be denied

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Speaker 4: His ability to get off of bottom.

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Speaker 1: Cannot be denied at all.

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Speaker 4: And again, given the state of the division, and are

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Speaker 1: I would argue that it would.

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Speaker 3: I have to agree with you. Let's hear from Lewis,

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Speaker 3: who talks exactly what Luke mentioned about playing possum with

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Speaker 7: I was acting like someone was in my eye and

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Speaker 7: I was waiting for him to get a little closer.

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Speaker 7: He ain't get close enough for the first time. So

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Speaker 7: I really was trying to make it, trying to sell it,

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Speaker 5: Shit, that's what happened. I called him.

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Speaker 7: Then I noticed he was trying to pull himself up

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Speaker 7: had me hit my own leg. I'm trying to knock

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Speaker 7: my own leg out of sod. Yeah, so it was

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Speaker 5: Did you expect the ref to come in and stop

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Speaker 7: Yes, I expect the ref should have been stopping See

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Speaker 8: So when you threw that left hand, did you know

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Speaker 8: if it connected it, it was going to send him down.

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Speaker 7: I know if if I throw anything at anybody, no

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Speaker 7: matter what it is, I know it is going to

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Speaker 7: go now. He was the king of the Texicab droves

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Speaker 7: in Brazil. Wow, But no, I don't want to easy

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Speaker 7: fighting like that. I want you know, of course, I

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Speaker 3: Too much, too soon for to share? It seemed that way.

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Speaker 3: But Luke, what do you make of the stoppage which

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Speaker 3: time like it was too soon to shera did aggressively

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Speaker 3: Maybe that led to the referees' decision. How did you

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I didn't care for the stoppage, but I want to

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Speaker 4: be clear. I you know, it seemed like Derek was good.

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Speaker 4: I mean my view as Derek was based on the

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Speaker 4: no matter what I mean. It was almost no circumstance

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Speaker 4: love the stoppage. And I keep seeing these arguments made

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Speaker 1: I'm being dead serious. I don't understand at all.

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Speaker 4: People are pointing out that he used the fence to stand,

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Speaker 4: he put his fingers. You can push on the fence,

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Speaker 4: but you obviously can't grab the inside of it, right,

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Speaker 4: and so he did that is against the rules. But

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Speaker 4: first of all, I'm just gonna say, like the nature

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Speaker 1: But okay, putting that aside, just did he break the rules?

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Speaker 1: He broke the rules.

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Speaker 4: But if you're going to if the referee is going

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Speaker 4: and in particular this is actually itemized four fence grabbing

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Speaker 1: Know, in the heat of the moment. You can do

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Speaker 4: So if you decide as a referee that grabbing the

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Speaker 4: just disqualify him. And you could even say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: he did it right at the moment where he was

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Speaker 4: about to be finished. This is an egregious foul right,

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Speaker 4: like fouling your way to prevent a stoppage in some

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Speaker 4: kind of way, then it should have been a DQ.

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Speaker 4: But people are not making that argument. What they're making

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Speaker 4: that's actually not how the rules were at all. That's

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Speaker 4: not what they say, that's not what they show, that's

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Speaker 4: grabbing the fence to get to get to your feet

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Speaker 4: is not intelligent defense. It's the definition of intelligent defense,

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Speaker 4: building height, getting to your feet. That's exactly what someone

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Speaker 4: should be doing. Now, they shouldn't be doing it by

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Speaker 4: grabbing the fence. So the method of how he did

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Speaker 4: it is a problem. But the notion that like, because

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Speaker 4: therefore you can just call it.

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Speaker 1: You can, but it has to be a DQ.

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Speaker 4: It's not grounds for saying they're not intelligently defending themselves.

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Speaker 4: In fact, it's the opposite of that. So I didn't

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Speaker 4: love the stoppage, but I don't in any way view

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Speaker 4: the result as like illegitimate Derek Lewis was gonna fucking win.

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Speaker 4: He was gonna fucking win. I just didn't give with

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Speaker 4: so much one as smoothly as it could.

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Speaker 9: Do.

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Speaker 3: You agree with the black best saying he was kind

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Speaker 3: of in and out of consciousness leading up to that.

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Speaker 1: He might be right. I mean, obviously he's the closest

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Speaker 4: A little harder for me to tell on before we

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Speaker 4: got on the broadcast again, Dude, he was gonna whim like,

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Speaker 4: this is not some controversial like.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, the guy got robbed.

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Speaker 4: No, it's just it's just the method of how it

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Speaker 1: But he might be right.

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Speaker 4: He might the guy might have been out, and so

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Speaker 4: it's want to be as clear as I possibly can.

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Speaker 1: I have zero issue with Derek Lewis winning.

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Speaker 4: I just think if you're going to make the argument

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Speaker 4: that grabbing the fence should it should be penalized, the

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Speaker 4: penalty for it is a point and or a DQ.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he's not intelligently defending himself. Building height is intelligent defense, period.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, something Joe Rogan has really never worked on at all.

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Speaker 1: Loop To be.

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Speaker 3: Fair, we got Dana White reacting to the stoppage by

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Speaker 3: the way breaking news. Dana White was at a Fight

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Speaker 3: Night card. He reacted to the stopage. He talked about

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Speaker 3: the Trump phone call and addressed that idea we're bringing

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Speaker 3: up is Derek Lewis in the title picture. Let's hear

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Speaker 10: You're sitting there, you watching Derek get a knockout, and

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Speaker 10: then President Trump just COEs you on the spot.

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Speaker 11: No, Derek came over and said, where's the President. I said,

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Speaker 11: he's not here tonight. I said, but he's and I

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Speaker 11: phone with him.

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Speaker 5: Do what Derek want to say? I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: You have to ask him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they talked about.

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Speaker 10: Maybe he's trying to book himself a fight on the whitecot.

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Speaker 5: That's whatever he's trying to do right now.

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Speaker 10: So then, obviously, with that being said, Derek could really,

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Speaker 10: if you look at the division as it is, be

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Speaker 11: That I think that's the way the heavyweight division has

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Speaker 11: don't have to cut. Some of them have to cut,

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Speaker 11: but they don't have to cut a lot of weight,

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Speaker 11: and you know the fighting. A fight can turn with

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Speaker 11: one punch, whoever lands that big shot, and they were

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Speaker 11: both trying to land them and he got them.

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Speaker 5: I thought the.

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Speaker 11: Stoppage was a little fast, you know, Yeah, but that

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Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a little fast too as well.

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Speaker 3: Just for the record, there also real quick not that

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe people I don't know. Look if you

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Speaker 3: care about the contents of that Donald Trump call, but

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Speaker 3: it was interesting when they came, when they came back

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Speaker 3: he said that he would love to talk to Trump,

438
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: but he was referencing all the prior convictions that he

439
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 3: was hoping to get pardoned on his record. But they

440
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 3: did catch up with Derek Lewis afterwards to ask him

441
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: that question. His response was predictably out of bounds.

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00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 10: Let's listen, and when did you know you wanted to

443
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 10: speak to President Trump?

444
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 7: Oh, I've been telling the ain't a couple of weeks.

445
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 7: Now I need to talk to him about something.

446
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 10: Could you tell us what that something is? No, man, No,

447
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 10: would it be about maybe fight against classified.

448
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's classified. It's almost something about terrorists and

449
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 7: stuff like that.

450
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 10: Oh, serious, serious stuff. Are they just signing you up?

451
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 10: You're going to join the FBI.

452
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 7: We don't like the FBI right now, I mean Trump.

453
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 7: They're trying to they're trying to get that list out

454
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 7: of us. So I had to call. I had to

455
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 7: tell the president a, you know, make sure they don't

456
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 7: let my name.

457
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 5: On that list.

458
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 3: You know, look that lips. That list would be the

459
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 3: Epstein list and he definitely didn't kill himself. Are you

460
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 3: of the bat Oh wait, we're not on Luke Thomas Substack.

461
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask if you were of the belief

462
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 3: that Trump is now switching gear just to avoid assassination.

463
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: Or maybe that's too deep for a Monday morning.

464
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

465
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 4: I did see him get booed at the FIFA World

466
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: Cup or a Club World Cup final.

467
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: That was funny.

468
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: All right, we got a loaded show, so we got

469
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: to keep it going. Let's go to this co main event,

470
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: which has brought out some responses here as a welterweight

471
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 3: tilt between the rising Gabriel Bondfeme and the plus forty

472
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: veteran wonder Boy Stephen Thompson ends in a three round

473
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: split decision and a brutal gash on the leg. First,

474
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 3: can we show this picture on wonder Boy Thompson's leg good.

475
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: Is fucking in sick bored.

476
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: That is from a checked kick right there in the end,

477
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 3: though that the fight was a little bit back and forth,

478
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 3: and there was an argument that maybe wonder Boy should

479
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: have gotten the win. As we quickly look at the

480
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: picture of these scorecards which go down as a split decision,

481
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: you see Mike Bell giving rounds one in three to

482
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: bone Fime, same as Dave Terrelli. But it was Rick

483
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 3: Winter who gave rounds two and three for wonder Boy,

484
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 3: and it felt like Mma Twitter agreed with him most

485
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: Luke was WonderBoy screwed out of a victory in this

486
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 3: fight that he fought through some tough moments there to shine.

487
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 4: I definitely think there's a case for WonderBoy here for sure.

488
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I put.

489
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Speaker 4: The scorecards up one more time if you can, okay,

490
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: So so my scorecard is Rick Winters. But if you

491
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 4: notice everyone is unanimous on rounds one and two, So

492
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Speaker 4: then the question becomes what about round three and how

493
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Speaker 4: did you score it? And my answer would be I

494
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 4: scored it for for WonderBoy, But BC, I don't know.

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00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: Thank you long on Luke.

496
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's the same people and what

497
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 4: I'm about to say, I don't know.

498
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: But I definitely hear a lot of people saying, well.

499
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: You know, I don't like stand ups and I don't

500
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 4: like referee involvement, and if you're being held against the

501
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 4: defence so you're being controlled on the ground, it's your

502
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 4: job to fix it. And I've been trying to explain

503
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 4: to people this is not a great way to organize

504
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: a sport. It doesn't make a lot of sense. You

505
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 4: need the referees to intervene when positions get stalled out,

506
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 4: and it looked to MEBC like Bonfieme was stalling them out.

507
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 4: He was clinching him up against the fence, stalling him out,

508
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 4: not doing necessarily a ton of meaningful offense, but just

509
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 4: keeping Wonder Boy there to kind of run out the clock.

510
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 4: The referee, in my judgment, should have been more willing

511
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 4: to break it up. But the bigger point is he

512
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: should have been empowered to do that. I cannot believe

513
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 4: that people make arguments for stalling in MMA because that's

514
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 4: exactly what you're going to get. Guys can neutralize one another,

515
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: but then they can't extract themselves from the situation that

516
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: they're in, and it just holds steady. You need to

517
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: empower referees to break them apart, because BC, the thing

518
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 4: that I really I took from this was WonderBoy striking

519
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 4: is still like I wasn't sold on Bonfime on Friday Show,

520
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 4: and I'm still not really sold on Bonfme. He's obviously

521
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 4: got some ability, but I don't know if he's all

522
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 4: that great wonder boy at age what is he forty

523
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 4: two at this point? Like whatever number he is, his striking,

524
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: particularly a distance, is still crisp. It's still pretty fast,

525
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: it's still accurate, like it's very very effective even at

526
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 4: this late stage of his career.

527
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying we have to break him up

528
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: so that you could see more of it.

529
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 4: But if guys are just using control positions to stall

530
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 4: out rounds, break them apart, and if the rules don't

531
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 4: allow for it, we should make the rules allow for it.

532
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's how everyone else feels, but

533
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: I just hear this debate all the time about no

534
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: if you're held down, it's your job.

535
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: To get up.

536
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 4: This is giving the guy who is doing the stalling

537
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: all the license they need to keep it up.

538
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: And in my judgment, BC, that's what Bonfime did.

539
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you. I also thought when

540
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: he got hurt at the end of round two, it's

541
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,439
Speaker 3: sort of changed his desire to mix it up there

542
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: with the forty two year old Thompson Luke. This is

543
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 3: five losses in six fights now for wonder Boy. Even

544
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: if the general public says, hey, we need a deeper

545
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: examination of this fight, I think you said what we learned,

546
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: which is true that even with that sort of dark

547
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: record turn with five defeats and six fights, they've come

548
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: against very good competition. He's clearly showing you that he's

549
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: still got it at this level, which is a credit

550
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: to the shape he's kecked himself in and the incredible

551
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: speed and reaction times he's always held. But was this

552
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: the fight that tells you Bone Theme or at least

553
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: brother g Bone Theme here isn't going to get over

554
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: that hump that he's got the flashy submission skills. He

555
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: could take out the B minus guys in spectacular fashion.

556
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: But he may never get over that hill to true contention.

557
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was this was an opportunity for him, and

558
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 4: yes he got the W but he didn't pass the time.

559
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I think we can all kind of agree

560
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: with that. At this point, You're right, the b minus guys,

561
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: he might be able to feast on them, you know,

562
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 4: quick guillotines and a number of other things he can do.

563
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 4: But wonder Boy has been kind of been serving as

564
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 4: a guy. Hey, can you graduate to the next level

565
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 4: in this division? That's what wonder Boy has been kind

566
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 4: of offering for people. And some of the better ones

567
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 4: have obviously been able to get past, but Bonfieme had

568
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 4: to eke to the finish line install his way to

569
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: do it. This was not a very convincing win such

570
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: that you can call it a win, I mean technically

571
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 4: a win obviously, but such as you can call it

572
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: like an authoritative victory.

573
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: It's this. This was none of those things. I think

574
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: this is the reason why a lot of us were like,

575
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, Bonfim's.

576
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 4: Good, He's not really good. This was just a reminder

577
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 4: of that. He kind of is what he is at

578
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 4: this point. He'll beat some guys for sure, but I

579
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: don't know if he's going to ascend to the top

580
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 4: of this division anytime.

581
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on there. Hey, let's talk about

582
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: featherweight Steve Garcia at thirty three years old, who extended

583
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 3: his win streak to six with a thirty twenty seven

584
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: I believe across the board performance against Calvin cater a

585
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: shutout it was dominant. Is Steve Garcia a legitimate player

586
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: at one forty five moving forward?

587
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I do think he is. I thought this was

588
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: a nice win.

589
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 4: He was a little nervous early, but I thought he

590
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 4: really settled in the longer that fight went.

591
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: He got smoother and smoother.

592
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 4: His combinations got better, and you could just tell he

593
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: was thinking more on his feet as the time went on,

594
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 4: and that's why some of the striking got better over

595
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 4: the course of that bout. So I want to be

596
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 4: very clear, I'm absolutely taking nothing from him. Your question

597
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 4: was is he a real player in this The answer

598
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 4: is absolutely yes. In this division he is someone to note.

599
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 4: The wind streak is legitimate. This was a very I

600
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 4: would say, a good opponent, certainly, and he's doing interesting things.

601
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: He is putting together a skill set and a run

602
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: that simply cannot be denied. However, b see, However, I

603
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 4: think if you watch tape from Cater from a few

604
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 4: years ago, there's really no way to deny that. Like

605
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 4: he's lost a step and people point to like Max

606
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 4: beating him up as one of the things that could

607
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: have been one. But I thought he rebounded from that

608
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 4: a little bit well. But the ACL surgery and everything else,

609
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: Like he's just not the same guy.

610
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that to be disparaging.

611
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 4: We like the New England cartel, we like Tyson Chardier,

612
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 4: we like Calvin Cator. But the tape for if you

613
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 4: guys don't believe me and you're a Fight Pass subscriber

614
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 4: or whatever, just go look a few fights so good

615
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 4: night and aof format, I would say, a few years ago,

616
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: go look at some of the ones, the performances he

617
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 4: was turning in and he just looked a little bit

618
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 4: more dynamic, ready, light on his feet, thinking, and he

619
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: just seems to get caught flat footed or just be

620
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 4: there to be hit a lot more than he once did. Now,

621
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 4: defense was never necessarily his strongest suit, but there was

622
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 4: just more going on. It seems like there's just less

623
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 4: he's able to do less now over the course of time.

624
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: So Steve absolutely is leveling up. But I don't think

625
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: that that's the entire story. Part of the story is

626
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: the decline of Cater.

627
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Cater did have the upper hand on Rob Funt

628
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: in that most recent DraftKings commercial with John Annick where

629
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: he's putting it minute choke hold there in the Draftings studio,

630
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: So hopefully he gets some of that cheddar. You mentioned

631
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 3: Tyson Chardier, How about I mentioned Morgan Charier? Charier Charier.

632
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't speak French. I have no fucking ideas.

633
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 3: I should learn his name soon. Look, because this featherweight,

634
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 3: it's exciting his balls and him and Nate the train

635
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: in the UFC put on nearly three rounds of back

636
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 3: and forth bad shit craziness, Charier getting an absolutely brutal

637
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: knockout in the finish, and to be fair, he was

638
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: largely getting the better of the very straight ahead land

639
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 3: where who loves to just square up and throw three

640
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: punch combinations. Only it broke through and it worked for

641
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: a while. Were you as entertained as I was? Because

642
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: I was like doing like the Arsenio wo woo pump

643
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: fists during this I was fired up.

644
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: This was great.

645
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was the one where I was a little

646
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: bit confused about how it would go. Pre fight, I

647
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 4: was like, well, Morgan has never dealt with someone like

648
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 4: Nate in his face, just kind of putting on pressure.

649
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 4: But we thought that Morgan was the better striker and

650
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 4: that that would show up, and for like two rounds

651
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 4: that was like it was. It was kind of a

652
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 4: mix of both of those things, and it just seemed

653
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: like the end he was like, you know what, I'm

654
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: just going to close the show here and be the

655
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Speaker 4: more dynamic striker and that's kind of what you got

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Speaker 4: in the end. So like, to me, this was actually

657
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Speaker 4: something of a nice test for Morgan to pass. I

658
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Speaker 4: wouldn't say he did it with flying colors, but he

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Speaker 4: certainly did a very good job and I think dealt

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Speaker 4: with a little bit of adversity, showed some skill. I

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Speaker 4: will say, you know, some of the wrestling it was interesting,

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Speaker 4: like he would get to Landwueir's hips very quickly, land

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Speaker 4: where with a hard whizzard was able to like really

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Speaker 4: challenge some of those positions. So like this was some

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Speaker 4: real resistance that he faced from a guy who was

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Speaker 4: not as technically skilled but had that dog in him.

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Speaker 4: We all know that Nate land Where is famous for that,

668
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Speaker 4: and trying to deal with that is not so simple.

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Speaker 4: So the fact that he got it done in the

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Speaker 4: end maybe took him a little bit longer than you

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Speaker 4: would have preferred, but got the job done hand raised,

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Speaker 4: authoritative finish.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good job by the Frenchman. Pretty good job, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean Landware has such great conditioning to go with

675
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Speaker 3: his love of getting involved in blood and guts wars.

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Speaker 3: They never stopped coming. I like that chariar didn't break.

677
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: I did see a lot of criticism online of people saying,

678
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 3: stop shoulder rolling and trying to point fight this crazy guy.

679
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 3: This guy's going to try to make it a bat

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Speaker 3: shit crazy brawl. And the quicker you identify that meet

681
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 3: him halfway and get him out of there, the easier

682
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Speaker 3: the job will be. I wonder if Charie Er learns

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Speaker 3: a lesson here, Luke, because he did have the striking

684
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Speaker 3: advantage when they would exchange at the same time and

685
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 3: every time he touched lane where he was moving him.

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01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: So I'm glad he finally found that before the fight

687
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Speaker 3: ended and was able to get him out of there.

688
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: But a fun bit of theater. I gotta jump down

689
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Speaker 3: to that undercard, Luke. I was fired up for Johnny

690
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 3: Walker's brother, the heavyweight vaulter Walker, to come in here

691
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Speaker 3: and make his UFC debut and then need less than

692
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Speaker 3: a minute to do crazy shit, get a quick submission,

693
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: act like a maniac. Is this now the preferred crazy

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Speaker 3: Walker brother, not just from the standpoint of potentially spreading

695
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 3: his seed all over Scotland, but coming in and doing crazy, exciting,

696
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Speaker 3: highlight reel shit.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, getting wins like this are fun, they stand out,

699
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 4: they're interesting. He's gotten several of them now, and at heavyweight,

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01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 4: it's unusual to see someone who can, you know, just

701
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 4: sit for fifty to fifty heel hooks.

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Speaker 1: Basically.

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Speaker 4: On the other side, I just want to be clear,

704
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Speaker 4: this is a gimmicky way to win. You are going

705
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Speaker 4: to beat some guys along the way doing this, absolutely,

706
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Speaker 4: but you're not going to win a title doing this,

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Speaker 4: and you're probably not going to beat a number one contender,

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Speaker 4: maybe even the fighter before that. I mean, heavyweight's a

709
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 4: little thin, so it's harder to say. He might be

710
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Speaker 4: able to take this pretty far just doing this, but

711
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Speaker 4: there is a very big difference between guys who can

712
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Speaker 4: clamp for quick submissions and then guys who can methodically

713
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 4: set it up. And the ones who can methodically set

714
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 4: it up have a significantly higher skill base. So heavyweights

715
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 4: a little weak. And this is a fun thing he's doing.

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Speaker 4: You can't deny it, but I just I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: how far you're going to be able to take something

718
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Speaker 4: like this without the other portions of the skill set.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me dead wrong myself. That was not his

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Speaker 3: UFCA debut. As you mentioned, he's not had four fights

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Speaker 3: in the UFC's three and one since lost to Luca

722
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Speaker 3: bresh Luca Uh, Luca Don Luca Lucas Bresky Uh with

723
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Speaker 3: the fishes there unanimous decisions straight that. Since then, it's

724
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Speaker 3: been three straight heel looks and what do you say,

725
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: gimmicky submissions? Are you referencing the Mackenzie team.

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Speaker 4: That's also yes, that's another guy. He didn't have the

727
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Speaker 4: ability to methodically set it up. He could just jump

728
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 4: and then clamp, and that's you, dude. You can beat

729
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 4: a lot of guys with a quick clamp. It's actually

730
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Speaker 4: very very effective clamp. You get my point. I'm just

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Speaker 4: saying that's very different than Charles Olavera. Charles Olavera has

732
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Speaker 4: a clamp too, But if you can't get it, that's fine.

733
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Speaker 4: He'll just methodically set it up and then submit you

734
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Speaker 4: from there. That's what I'm talking about. There's a big

735
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Speaker 4: gap between those kinds of guys. So is he dangerous, yes,

736
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Speaker 4: but there's a difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's exciting his ship. What else from this undercard

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Speaker 3: moved you over the weekend, Luke?

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Speaker 4: The opening bout I thought was actually pretty interesting between

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Speaker 4: the ladies here. You know, I complain all the time

741
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Speaker 4: that's not that exciting with the women fight, but this

742
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Speaker 4: was a very different kind.

743
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Speaker 3: Of They were mismatches. They put two chick mismatches down there,

744
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Speaker 3: and they were exciting.

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01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 4: Right, that's fine, But at least they delivered, right. I

746
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Speaker 4: Mean sometimes I've seen some mismatches and they the person

747
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 4: couldn't put the other one away. At least in this

748
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Speaker 4: particular case, you got with Fatima Klein with a nice

749
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Speaker 4: sort of head kick finish. Also, Mike Davis is very good.

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Speaker 4: Mike Davis had a bit of a like, you know,

751
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 4: a rough run early in his UFC career, where sometimes

752
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Speaker 4: he didn't perform up to level with an injury he had.

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Speaker 4: I think he had a tough fight against a dieke

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Speaker 4: YUSAF on Contender series, and maybe that was I believe

755
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Speaker 4: that's right. But in this fight against Mitch Ramirez, he

756
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Speaker 4: showed a lot of freaking skill and he's well rounded.

757
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Speaker 4: And this is a guy who I think at this

758
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Speaker 4: point is starting to get to more of the a

759
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Speaker 4: little bit of the methodical side of setting up offense,

760
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Speaker 4: not just submissions.

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Speaker 1: So I really liked that as well.

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Speaker 4: I thought that Jake Matthews Winter cheating and Jikwani was

763
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Speaker 4: a little anticlimactic because it happened so quickly. Also, shots

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Speaker 4: to Chris Curtis going down to one seventy. He had

765
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Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, gut it out late into

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Speaker 4: the fight, but Max Griffin made it hard for him.

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Speaker 1: He still got the job done, So well done by him.

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Speaker 3: Oh long Island, Luke, you are a you know, die

769
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Speaker 3: hard when it comes to these prelimbs. How will you

770
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Speaker 3: remember forty one year old Lauren Murphy now that she

771
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 3: says goodbye.

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Speaker 5: To the US. Oh God, that fight was awful. I'm

773
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Speaker 5: not gonna lie, I think, Luke.

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Speaker 6: Not giving Jake Matthews' credit there, man, dude, that was

775
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 6: a sick fight.

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Speaker 3: Shout out Jake Matthews missions.

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Speaker 4: But Kwani, it's like this is something I mean, I

778
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 4: know he's a black belt now, but it's like.

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Speaker 1: This is something he's always kind of struggled with, you know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but Jake Matthews. Nice to get a bounce back.

781
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 6: Oh actually, I think that's a few in a row

782
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 6: now for him. But either way, he always like looks

783
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 6: good against someone and then kind of falters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe that's it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's why I'm feeling. Yeah, and it's a nice one.

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Speaker 5: Both people.

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Speaker 6: You already shout it out, you know, I Fatima Kleine

788
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Speaker 6: from Long Island, gorgeous head kick, and Mike Davis from

789
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Speaker 6: Upstate New York, you know, shut out.

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Speaker 3: Just saying this guy's always calling out the locals, the Aussies,

791
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Speaker 3: the Long Island as all those people.

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Speaker 1: Upstate New York is the land that time forgot.

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Speaker 5: There you go, I'll agree with that.

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Speaker 3: UFC Nashville now behind us. What ahead of us is,

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Speaker 3: pregame preview this Wednesday, but UFC three eighteen is the

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Speaker 3: Indeed, well done, Let's go to topic number two. It

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Speaker 3: took place in New York City, Madison Square Garden and

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Speaker 3: Netflix with the Big Trilogy between Katie Taylor and Amanda

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Speaker 3: Serrano and asking these two future Hall of Famers to

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Speaker 3: out deliver their legendary first two fights was already going

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Speaker 3: to be a difficult challenge, But despite a fantastic promotion

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Speaker 3: from Jake Paul's Most Valuable Promotions and Netflix and an

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Speaker 3: absolutely electric atmosphere at MSG on Friday Night, along with

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Speaker 3: some great production from Netflix, you Gotta Shout it Out,

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Speaker 3: their third third fight turned out to be very tent

834
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Speaker 3: to yet competitive kind of felt in real time like

835
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Speaker 3: a bit of a dud. Despite the split decision result,

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Speaker 3: there wasn't much outrage this time, as Katie Taylor earned

837
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Speaker 3: a deserved victory her third overall against Serrano. Luke was

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Speaker 3: this victory more of the result of Katie Taylor at

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Speaker 3: thirty nine, proving once and for all that she's the

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Speaker 3: more superior boxer of the two. Or do you bring

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Speaker 3: up an Amanda Serrano's very questionable game plan and maybe

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Speaker 3: even her lack of urgency that ultimately cost her in

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Speaker 3: the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's both.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Katie Taylor going to and Ozho was no scandal.

846
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 4: We've been over this a million times. It was no scandal.

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Speaker 4: I thought Serrano won at least one of those.

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Speaker 1: But it's not a scandal, and I had no problem

849
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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 4: But to me, it left a little bit of doubt,

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01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 4: like what is actually possible if they can make the adjustments?

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01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 4: And we all thought on Friday, quite wrongly, that this

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 4: was going to be a barn Murner. This was definitely

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01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 4: quite a letdown for me. It was not a bad fight.

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna sit in and sale it was some

856
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 4: kind of terrible affair, But it wasn't very good and

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01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 4: it wasn't very interesting.

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Speaker 3: Sorry match, Luke. Be honest, it kind of felt like

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Speaker 3: this why I'm at your time.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't horrible. It just wasn't much. It just

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Speaker 1: was you know, was whatever.

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Speaker 4: That's not to say Netflix didn't do an unbelievable job,

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01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 4: and then Jake Paul as well, which I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 4: talk about, but just sticking with the fight BCE. I

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Speaker 4: hated Amanda Serrano's game plan.

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Speaker 1: I hated it.

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Speaker 4: She is an offense first fighter, and that was a

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Speaker 4: defense first plan. If you have, if you're that kind

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Speaker 4: of fighter, your offense first and your game plan is

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Speaker 4: defense first, you can do that for a little while, right,

871
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna slow bleed the flight fight and then change

872
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 4: and turn it up late.

873
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: But she never did. How do you expect to beat

874
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: Katie Taylor.

875
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 4: When the range at what you're fighting and the pace

876
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 4: at what you're fighting is something that uniquely advantages her,

877
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 4: and it's a pace that she can maintain the entire fight.

878
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: That was That was not a winning game plan. That

879
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: was not a winning effort.

880
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 4: Now people have rightly pointed out that, like the fact

881
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 4: that after twenty rounds in a long career, both of

882
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 4: them were probably, you know, not necessarily looking forward to

883
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 4: a blood and guts kind of fight, which I can

884
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 4: appreciate that I.

885
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: Certain to be to be fair, it didn't have to

886
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 3: be blood and guts.

887
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: It didn't have to be. It could have been more

888
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: than what it was.

889
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 4: I understand it's not either or, but the thing is,

890
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 4: Serrano doesn't know how to calibrate, right. She's either all

891
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 4: in or she's all out, and she was all out,

892
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 4: and so I think Katie Taylor was like, sweet, I'm

893
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 4: happy to box on the outside, and dude, people are

894
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 4: calling that fight close. The rounds were not like a

895
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 4: huge swing one way or the other. But it looked

896
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 4: to me like Katie was definitely the superior boxer between them,

897
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 4: especially on the terms of which they were fighting. She

898
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 4: was the one of the Olympic pedigree. She was the

899
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 4: one who was landing and exiting. She was coming over

900
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 4: the top with the jab, she was catching her with

901
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 4: check hooks and then exiting, and Serrano never really did

902
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 4: anything to adjust it. Again, if she's shop worn and

903
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 4: she just didn't want to go through the war anymore,

904
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 4: I get it. But the game plan that she had,

905
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 4: she was never gonna win with that. You could fight

906
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 4: Katie Taylor a hundred times with that game plan. If

907
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 4: you're a man of Serrano, you're gonna lose all one hundred.

908
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 4: I freaking hated hated, hated that game plan.

909
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 3: It wasn't just a bad game plan, in my opinion,

910
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 3: I think it was poor execution of that game plan.

911
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 3: She stood from distance far too out, spamming jabs that

912
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 3: really had no chance of connecting, and it wasn't like

913
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 3: she was spamming those to set up her left crosses.

914
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 3: I feel like she didn't use the weapons that she

915
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 3: brought to the table there. Maybe crowding her given the

916
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 3: two minute rounds and really trying to get her on

917
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 3: the inside going to the body would have been a

918
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 3: better strategy. But the fact that she had no adaptability

919
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 3: during such a big fight on such a grand stage

920
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: that so many people work so hard to build, and

921
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 3: obviously they were part of building that. In a lot

922
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: of ways, I felt bad for her after having two

923
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 3: fights in which she performed so well where you can

924
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 3: make an argument for both, she just did. I mean,

925
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 3: she didn't even look good in that game plan. And look,

926
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 3: this is where those two minute rounds, which when it's

927
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 3: fast paced, when it's all action like the first two

928
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 3: fights in which Toronto was pushing a crazy pace, those

929
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 3: are hard to score because there's just so much happening.

930
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: Or both are having success. But when you do the

931
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 3: opposite in two minute rounds and you hold the ball

932
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 3: and you slow it down and then we're base in

933
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 3: the end, gonna judge were the three four punches of

934
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 3: Taylor off of clean countershots in which she got in

935
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 3: and out more valuable than the spamming jabs, some of

936
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 3: which touched Taylor A couple body shots from Serrono. Yeah,

937
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: Taylor's shots are gonna win out. They're cleaner, they're powerful,

938
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: they're more memorable. Her technique was better, Everything about it

939
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 3: was better. So it wasn't just a disappointment for me

940
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: in the game plan. It was the lack of an adjustment.

941
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 3: She didn't even execute that well. And I really thought

942
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 3: her corner with Jordan Malnado, her brother in law, manager

943
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: and trainer, there was really just no talk of adjustments.

944
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: Maybe they felt they were deeper in the fight than

945
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 3: they were in terms of the scores, and obviously with

946
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: the split decision, they weren't that far off. But still,

947
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 3: if Toronto had won a backdoor decision here, it wouldn't

948
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 3: have been this triumphant moment. It would have been for

949
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 3: the third straight fight. Maybe the wrong fighter one, right,

950
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 3: I mean, she clearly did not get the better of

951
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: the two. Now, I don't think she deserves the full

952
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: on meme treatment, but Luke Boxing Twitter gave it to

953
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 3: her after the fight.

954
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: Ifjord is fucking brutal giving.

955
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 3: Her the Edgar Berlanga Puerto Rico parade after he lost

956
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 3: to Canelo experience right there. I feel bad for Serrano

957
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 3: because she has fought so well in this series up

958
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 3: to that point. We talk about it, We should talk

959
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: about it. They promoted the absolute shit out of this card.

960
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 3: I love the production, which they spent a shit on

961
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: on and it worked. It looked great. I don't know.

962
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't necessarily love Sean Grandy, who I

963
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 3: thought did a great job calling the fights. I didn't

964
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: love his over the top salesmanship that we're watching this

965
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 3: classic we'll never forget.

966
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 4: No, I'll just kind of operate under the assumption that

967
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 4: this fight was just as good as the first two.

968
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I don't And I'm not necessarily blaming

969
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 3: the two fighters in this case because a lot of

970
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 3: times in boxing history, a big war in one fight

971
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 3: will lead to a like look at Perrera Morales, one

972
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 3: of the greatest trilogies of all time. The Mexican War

973
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: number two was not a war. It was a It

974
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 3: was a safe sort of point fighting decision. It happened

975
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 3: at times, But considering the stakes, considering what was put

976
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 3: into it, I don't know if this main event was

977
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 3: the best advertisement for women's boxing when it was really

978
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 3: set up to be the perfect one moving forward.

979
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, it see something to I mean, I realized women's

980
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 4: boxing is in a different place than men's boxing, right,

981
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 4: So like some of these questions are not together altogether unfair,

982
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 4: but like turning every single women's fight into a referendum

983
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 4: on women's boxing just seems a little bit much to me. Again,

984
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 4: the fight was not great, we can all say that,

985
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 4: but it was promoted expertly. The production looked fucking incredible,

986
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 4: you know, it just didn't deliver, and not all fights do.

987
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: Uh?

988
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 3: Do you think this helps Taylor's argument and potentially being

989
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: considered the greatest female fighter of all time? She's certainly

990
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: up against it from someone like Clarissa Shields, the current

991
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 3: poff for pound king, who's won titles in five divisions,

992
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 3: you know, undisputed in two. But now Katie Taylor, at

993
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 3: thirty nine, has three wins over Amanda Serrano, she avenged

994
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 3: her only lost to Chantell Cameron. She's a bigger star,

995
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,799
Speaker 3: you could argue than any of the women boxing today.

996
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 3: What do you think this fight did to her legacy?

997
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: A lot?

998
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 4: Actually, I mean again, the question this is the problem

999
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 4: with the way that it went.

1000
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: Serrano kind of went out maybe with a whimper is

1001
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: too strong.

1002
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 4: But the reason the third fight was exciting on paper

1003
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 4: was you thought, okay, well we just saw twenty rounds

1004
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 4: of these two killing each other, like this is going

1005
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 4: to be great.

1006
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: But also that there was some dispute, right.

1007
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 4: There was dispute over yeah, Katy Taylor got her hand raised,

1008
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 4: but there's dispute over whether she should have. And then

1009
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 4: after the third one you're like, you know what, maybe

1010
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 4: there shouldn't have been dispute. I mean again, you can

1011
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 4: still go back and watch the first two and decide

1012
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 4: that Serano one.

1013
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's unfair.

1014
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it closed in a reasonably authoritative way

1015
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 4: to the point where it almost made you realize, yeah,

1016
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 4: this was a one sided robbery. Might be a little

1017
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 4: bit strong, but like one person clearly is the better

1018
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 4: of the other one. And they had three chances and

1019
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 4: they came up short on all three nights. You know,

1020
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 4: I don't know how that does anything but buttress your case,

1021
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 4: not merely as the best of the two in the rivalry,

1022
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,839
Speaker 4: but it ultimately your place in women's boxing history.

1023
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: This is this, dude. She did. Amanda Serrano did not

1024
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: do everything that she could and he needed Katie Taylor.

1025
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 4: But Katy Taylor did everything she needed to and that

1026
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 4: to me was the big difference. And she did it

1027
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 4: with skill.

1028
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that goes a long way in my book.

1029
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 3: Taylor would not commit after whether she will retire or

1030
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 3: continue fighting, but the whole idea of whether a trilogy

1031
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 3: against Chantell Cameron, who won on this undercard in her

1032
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 3: first fight under the MVP banner. Taylor gave a cold

1033
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 3: response to that idea when asked after the fight.

1034
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 10: Maybe I think Shandall has to see if she can

1035
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:37,799
Speaker 10: set out one Tels Theater arena.

1036
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 5: First.

1037
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't think she can set out I stay to it.

1038
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 4: Also, I think I made her.

1039
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 10: It made her more way.

1040
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 5: Does she redeserves to who?

1041
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 12: I know?

1042
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 8: But what do you think?

1043
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 3: I don't know if she needs a translator, But she

1044
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 3: said Cameron needs to sell out a one thousand seed

1045
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 3: Arena first and probably has made more money from Taylor

1046
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 3: than she deserves. That's a I like this kind of

1047
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 3: like victory lab trash talk from her that we're seeing lately, Luke,

1048
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 3: you into that.

1049
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 4: I mean, at this point her career, she's looking to

1050
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 4: start starting to look to me like she's a lot

1051
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 4: of fucks to give, So I'm about it.

1052
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 3: Alicia Bombgartner, also in her first way fight with MVP,

1053
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: won a competitive decision over Jennifer Marshall to defend her

1054
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 3: undisputed one hundred and thirty pound title in the Comaane.

1055
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 3: It was her first fight under new trainer Derek James,

1056
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 3: and then she called out Katie Taylor afterwards. Luke, do

1057
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 3: you think that could be a fight in which bomb

1058
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 3: Gardner will have to move up multiple weight divisions but

1059
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 3: she's been threatening to do that to fight Clarissa Shields?

1060
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 3: Do you think this could be a very big fight

1061
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 3: moving forward and one maybe that Taylor would want.

1062
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1063
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: I didn't The Komain event to me was the least

1064
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 4: interesting about on this card. I know Bumgarner won, but

1065
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was a very decisive performance. She

1066
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 4: the thing is the LBC. She did get a win.

1067
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 4: She can promote really well. You know, she's got a

1068
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 4: certain look that could go a long way, So I

1069
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 4: would not be surprised if they do it. If you're

1070
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 4: asking me, though, am I like particularly excited for that one?

1071
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,520
Speaker 1: I don't know so, so.

1072
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: All right quickly, Shadejah Green, and the former college basketball player,

1073
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 3: won Most Valuable Promotions two hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1074
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 3: post fight bonus for her performance in a very close

1075
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: decision over Samanna Savannah Marshall to unify titles at one

1076
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 3: sixty eight. Luke, We've been following Shadai's story for a while.

1077
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 3: It was a inspirational sort of tear felt moment afterwards,

1078
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 3: But did the judges get it right? In your eyes?

1079
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: It was close. I could see why Savannah Marshall had

1080
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: a case. I was close. It was to me, you know,

1081
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: coin flippish, very very close.

1082
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 4: But I will say to your point, we got introduced

1083
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 4: to Shadejah Green years ago when she was fighting on

1084
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 4: Jake Paul undercards.

1085
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,679
Speaker 1: Jake's been promoting her a long time.

1086
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: That's what I mean about Jake Paul the promoter, Like

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01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 4: he really is doing something very very good in the sport,

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01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 4: and he's.

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01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: Doing it very well. So I don't really have a

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: problem with her winning.

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01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 4: Cut to my head, BC, I would maybe have gone

1092
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 4: with Marshall, but I you know, there were there were

1093
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 4: This was a competitive bout and it was a Green I

1094
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 4: thought it did better in the middle parts and Savanna

1095
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 4: a little bit better early.

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01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: So it's just it's a tough call.

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01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 3: It's a tough call, and it was coming off a

1098
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 3: two year boxing layoff as she was doing MMA training

1099
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:20,520
Speaker 3: for PFL in between. Now Green becomes an opponent potentially

1100
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: for Clarissa shield Too as a fight at heavyweight coming up.

1101
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 3: But how about the announcer, one of the announcers on

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01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 3: this Netflix card, Leila Ali, making this statement after the

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01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 3: fight about maybe whether she'll come out of retirement at

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01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 3: forty seven against Cloressa.

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01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 13: Made the last one at Clarissa Shields. There's rumors that

1106
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 13: you gotta come back and find a one.

1107
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:39,719
Speaker 3: You gotta.

1108
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 5: Everybody's talking about it or in the boxing sip.

1109
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 12: The rumor that I heard was that I said that

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01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 12: unless somebody had fifteen to twenty million, don't even call.

1111
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 3: Me about this.

1112
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 5: Turkey has that money?

1113
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: Church is gonna sit this up.

1114
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 5: I know it.

1115
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 12: Unless somebody calls me and says they have it, We're

1116
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 12: not even gonna have a conversation. I'm not trying to

1117
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 12: come back and fight, but if someone offered that kind

1118
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 12: of money, I would actually have to think about it.

1119
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 13: I talk to Turkey tonight, fight again, Yes you do?

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Speaker 5: I think beautiful, Luke?

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01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 3: Would that do anything for you?

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01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: Is this scumbag? You look beautiful too, honey?

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01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the deal.

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01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: Stup.

1125
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna not mention. I'll always say or sorry.

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01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 3: Layla is, you know, potentially a mount Rushmore and one

1127
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 3: of the greatest of all time, undefeating her career. She

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01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 3: ducked Dan Wool straight up. She also could have fought

1129
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: Shields early and Cloris's run when they had some big

1130
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: trash talk moments around the time that Laila was forty.

1131
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 3: Now at forty seven, even if Turkey bought in, paid

1132
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 3: her fifteen million, and was all into the storyline because

1133
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: she's Ali's daughter, do you give her a chance in

1134
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 3: that fight?

1135
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 1: Not? Really.

1136
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that she's forty. She's nearly fifty.

1137
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 4: You see, I'm forty five. In my back hurts if

1138
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 4: I sleep wrong taking a nap. I mean, I realized

1139
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 4: that Leila's a better athlete. But I'm just saying, this

1140
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 4: is not a sport where forty seven year olds are

1141
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 4: dynamic talents with rare exception, and.

1142
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: Maybe she could be that.

1143
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't completely dismiss the idea, but you know,

1144
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 4: be hop is special for a reason.

1145
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: No.

1146
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see if Manny pack Yo can Adam at

1147
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 3: forty six on Saturday night. Let's go to topic number three.

1148
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: It was the Ring three card from Louis Armstrong Stadium

1149
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 3: in Queens, New York, and in that main event, Hamza

1150
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 3: Shiraz be brutally KO'ed Edgar Berlanga to become the mandatory

1151
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 3: for Canelo Alvarez and in some ways the new sensation

1152
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 3: at one hundred and sixty eight pounds in his debut.

1153
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 3: But from that unique venue living up to expectations, to

1154
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 3: the four action packed fights on the card and that

1155
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: decisive finish in the main event, I gotta tell you

1156
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 3: Turkey's Ring three was a massive, massive success on Saturday

1157
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 3: from an entertainment standpoint, and Luke outside of the circus

1158
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 3: side show with Turkey, where we get a lot of

1159
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 3: cop and reno VERSACI and all that other stuff going on.

1160
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 3: I have to ask you a serious question. Has this

1161
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: Ring series. Yes, we had the weird times Square card,

1162
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 3: but when you encount you Bank Ben one, you count

1163
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 3: this big card that the promoting coming up with David Benavidez,

1164
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 3: and you count Saturday nights with all the overflowing trash

1165
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,560
Speaker 3: talk and the tough matchmaking, has Ring quietly become the

1166
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 3: best thing going on in professional boxing right now? Am

1167
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 3: I crazy?

1168
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 4: It's still hit or miss quite literally, but the hits

1169
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 4: have been really good hits you know.

1170
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 3: Is great, dude, it's great.

1171
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 4: The U Bank Ben car Or the main event, certainly

1172
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 4: at a bare minimum, was extraordinary. The Time Square was

1173
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 4: a dud. I mean, there's really no getting around that.

1174
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 4: That's part of the report card too. It was a dud,

1175
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 4: but it wasn't the kind of dud that makes you

1176
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 4: think that like, oh, they couldn't get it right, And

1177
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 4: sure enough they got this one pretty right.

1178
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: Now.

1179
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't know how well it did at the box office.

1180
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 4: I think there's pretty much an open question about that.

1181
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 4: In terms of what it did on pay per view

1182
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 4: as well. We'll have to see, however, you know, did

1183
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 4: it deliver in terms of the fights themselves, And there's

1184
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 4: really no question that it did. It maybe even over delivered.

1185
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 4: It was fantastic, and you know, we haven't got to

1186
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 4: it yet, but youa. Kr Stevenson looked tremendous. Hamas Shiraz

1187
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 4: looked very good. Edgar Belonga looked terrible, like I said

1188
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 4: he would so.

1189
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 3: If he was in the fight till he wasn't. It

1190
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:02,679
Speaker 3: was a tense battle for about three and a half rounds.

1191
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 3: It was back and forth.

1192
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, lasted three and a half rounds before he got

1193
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, started to get brutalized. BBC. He's bad. He's

1194
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: not good.

1195
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 4: And I know you don't want to have this debate

1196
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 4: because you're like, you don't want to have this.

1197
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: Because you like Big Red.

1198
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 4: We all like Big Red, we all like Canelo Alvarez.

1199
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 4: But I've been saying for a while he has dropped

1200
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 4: off pretty significantly. And you can describe that in whatever

1201
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 4: terms you want. But the fact that he went twelve rounds,

1202
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 4: everyone was like, oh, he went twelve rounds with Mungia

1203
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 4: because he carried him. Okay, I can buy it.

1204
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 3: He admitted to it. He admitted to it.

1205
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 5: Afterward.

1206
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he admitted to it. He said he did it.

1207
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean he had actually did it. But okay,

1208
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 4: putting that aside twelve rounds with Berlanga is borderline shameful.

1209
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

1210
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 4: And here he is Berlanga fighting somebody who wasn't going

1211
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 4: to play any of those fuck fuck games with him,

1212
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 4: and he got viciously, viciously stopped. People need This is

1213
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 4: why BC, this is why I'm going to give Crawford

1214
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 4: the nod in my prediction. The people who note, well,

1215
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 4: Crawford's going up three weight classes, they're right, that's a

1216
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 4: big hurdle, or that Canilo power is going to be

1217
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 4: the last thing to go.

1218
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's not.

1219
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 4: Really dealt with anybody who can do that fair. Those

1220
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 4: are real things that you could point to to make

1221
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 4: you think that Canelo is gonna win. But the other

1222
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 4: side of the coin here is that he's been underperforming

1223
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 4: quite literally at this point for years, four years. I

1224
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 4: do not have confidence in him to beat a level fighters.

1225
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 4: Whether or not Crawford is that at that weight class

1226
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 4: by the time in September, I don't know, but I'm

1227
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 4: banking that he will be.

1228
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 3: We'll have a lot of time to break that down.

1229
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 3: I understand how that connects, and I did dead wrong

1230
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 3: myself earlier. It's Jennifer Miranda who lost to Bomb Gardner,

1231
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 3: not Jennifer Marshall. Thank you, Long Island.

1232
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 5: Luke.

1233
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 3: Let's go to the clowning that Berlanga is receiving here

1234
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 3: after Shiraz knocked him down three times brutally chaoted him.

1235
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 3: Here's Berlanga's biggest critic, Oscar de la Hoya chiming, Oh

1236
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 3: my god, she as congratulations.

1237
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 14: You got.

1238
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 6: I think couldn't.

1239
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 3: Well, he's insufferable, Luke. But Berleannga definitely talked enough shit

1240
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: to deserve this. But here's my bigger question. You say

1241
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: he sucks. He didn't look good once it got Harry

1242
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 3: on Saturday. But is it fair to announce Charaz as

1243
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 3: a danger to this division, as a future champion, as

1244
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 3: the newest, freshest thing, or did he mop up on

1245
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 3: second rate competition and we won't be seeing Edgar at

1246
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 3: this level again?

1247
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 4: Well, he definitely mopped up on second rate competition. However,

1248
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not ready to say that Sharaz is

1249
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 4: like all of a sudden no wow, And I know

1250
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 4: what like Turkey's gonna do right. They're gonna try and

1251
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 4: make Sharaz Canelo. I'm not convinced Canelo fights any one

1252
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 4: of Sharaz's level ever, again, you know what I mean,

1253
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1254
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: I just think these are due though.

1255
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 3: When he steps in there, man, he can punch, He's long,

1256
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 3: He's got variety. Charaz can punch. Man. I know he

1257
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 3: got audited against the admis. It's true. But if you

1258
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 3: fight with him, you could get you can get put out.

1259
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 3: There's no Thomas is.

1260
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Tricky, and he was also on Twitter all that night

1261
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 4: talking about how much better he was and so I

1262
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 4: I dude, Domis is good and domases and that was all.

1263
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: You know, there was a tricky ass fight for him.

1264
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 4: But you know, fully at one sixty eight super middleweight,

1265
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 4: I thought he looked good in the weight class. He

1266
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 4: was long, he was tricky, He he does a good power,

1267
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 4: the combination work, like he just kept throwing and throwing.

1268
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 4: You would see that Berlonga would be, you know, kind

1269
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 4: of holesting his weapons a little bit. So I gotta

1270
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 4: tell you, I thought that that was a very very

1271
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 4: impressive showing. But again, beating Berlonga is one thing. Beating

1272
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 4: some of like real Real Good Fighters is a very

1273
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 4: different one.

1274
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 3: All Right, we will pause this conversation. We'll get to

1275
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 3: Chris al Jerry in the second as we look ahead

1276
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 3: to the weekend. But Luke, I gotta talk to you

1277
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 3: quickly about True Classic because when it comes to the

1278
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 3: way I feel, the way I look, changing the way

1279
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 3: I feel, that's what I feel about True Classic. Right.

1280
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 3: The mission goes beyond fit in fabric. It's about helping

1281
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 3: guys show up with confidence and purpose. And We've said

1282
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: it before on the sh show, and I'll say it again.

1283
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 3: When I put on the True Classic tea or the

1284
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 3: form fitting genes, my wife notices something different. Have you

1285
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 3: been in the gym?

1286
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: No?

1287
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 3: I haven't, but I have been in the True Classic, Luke,

1288
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 3: and I know you can feel that same feeling.

1289
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 4: They had no doubt about it. I mean, I can't

1290
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 4: give them a bigger endorsement than this. Long before they

1291
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 4: ever decided to sponsor the show, I was wearing their clothes.

1292
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 4: What else do I need to say that When they

1293
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 4: came to us within a whether they're like, hey, you

1294
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 4: know they're interested in doing some ads on the show,

1295
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 4: I was like, this is.

1296
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 1: The easiest yes, in the whole wide world.

1297
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 4: This is something I already use. This is something I

1298
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 4: already know is good. And to BC's point, it makes

1299
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 4: you look good, It makes you feel good. Premium products,

1300
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 4: great fit in all the right places. My wife loves it.

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Speaker 3: As we look ahead to a loaded weekend in boxing,

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Speaker 3: we had to go to the bullpen and call one

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Speaker 3: of our favorites in the game, the former world champion

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Speaker 3: and the world class boxing analyst himself, Chris Aljerry, who

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Speaker 3: once went the distance in a title fight against Manny Pacquiao.

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Speaker 3: Chris will return to ringside this Saturday, of course, July nineteenth,

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Speaker 3: to co host the PPV dot COM's exclusive viewer Chat

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Speaker 3: in real time live from Las Vegas during the PBC

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Speaker 3: on Prime pay per view headline of course by Manny

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01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 3: Pacio and Mario Barrios, and throughout ppv dot COM's HD

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Speaker 3: live stream of the fights, you can hear from Chris throughout.

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Speaker 3: It begins a PM Eastern five Pacific time, and of

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Speaker 3: course you can order the pay per view at ppv

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Speaker 3: an avocado enthusiast and author, a former kickboxing champion. We

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01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 3: love him. Live from Las Vegas. It's Chris Algerry, co

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01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 3: host of Inside Boxing Live. Chris, great to have you here,

1337
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 3: my friend, but this is an early wake up call

1338
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 3: for you on the West Coast. We appreciate that, bro.

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01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 3: How's ever?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, gentlemen, thank you so much for the intro.

1341
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 15: I love being here as well, so thanks thanks for

1342
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 15: having me.

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01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, we got it, We got a we got an

1344
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 13: early call time. I'm out of here in Vegas, right

1345
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 13: and early.

1346
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 15: I got, I got my coffee, I got my workout

1347
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 15: in so but I'm ready to chat Mannupacau.

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Speaker 3: Well, Chris, you are retired now, but of course you're

1349
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 3: keeping in tip top shape. I'm the same age as

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01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 3: many Pacio at forty six, and my fitness is up

1351
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 3: and down. But let's talk first about what we're gonna

1352
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,679
Speaker 3: see Saturday night. In this main event is pakioo four

1353
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 3: years four and a half years removed, excuse me from

1354
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 3: the loss to your Dennis Ugas filling in for Aerol Spence.

1355
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 3: And yes, we did see Manny a year ago and

1356
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 3: then maybe an ill advise exhibition bout at one hundred

1357
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 3: and sixty pounds where he wasn't in great shape. But

1358
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 3: when he goes in there against WBC Welterway title holder

1359
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 3: Mario Barrios on Saturday, straight up, how realistic is it

1360
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 3: that he could compete? Or maybe that he could add

1361
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 3: his name to the likes of George Form and Bernard Hopkins,

1362
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 3: Archie Moore, these great all time greats who have kept

1363
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 3: it going in their forties.

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Speaker 15: Listen, if we were talking about anybody else besides many Pacyao,

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01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 15: I would say there's some to no chance that he's

1366
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 15: even gonna be competitive. But many Pacyao is something special.

1367
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 15: He's something different. He's a one of one. There's never

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01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 15: been a Mani Pacao, there never will be a Mani

1369
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:00,559
Speaker 15: pacy How you get that idea kind of nostalgically, like, listen,

1370
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 15: if anybody can do it, many.

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01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 13: Pacio's that guy. How realistic do I really think it is?

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01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 13: I don't really know. We have a lot of questions.

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01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 15: You mentioned that exhibition match versus a kickboxer that he

1375
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 15: did not too long ago. But I'm gonna go out

1376
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 15: on a limb and say that he didn't train for that.

1377
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 13: He just showed up. He said it was at one sixty.

1378
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 13: He looked fleshy.

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01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 15: We've never seen him look like that physically, and from

1380
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 15: the reports that we see now, the workouts that we

1381
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 15: see from Wildcard Gym with Freddie Roach, he looks to

1382
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 15: be an awesome condition.

1383
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 13: Even at forty six, we were getting.

1384
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 15: Those old looks at him throwing a million punches on

1385
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 15: the bags, him doing pad work, him doing the morning runs.

1386
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 15: My nephew was actually out there sparred with Manny's son

1387
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 15: and did the runs with them, said he looked like

1388
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 15: he was in really good shape.

1389
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Speaker 13: So there's a lot of questions. You know, we don't

1390
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 13: know who's gonna show up.

1391
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 15: We got to see how much of that many pacio

1392
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 15: of old is left in the forty six year old

1393
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 15: retired senator.

1394
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,799
Speaker 13: But I don't know. I'm still intrigued because it's many packyo.

1395
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm with you. It's like, I think there's

1396
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 3: been times in the second half of Manny's career where

1397
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 3: the motivation the training has dipped, right. You know, I

1398
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 3: don't know if he came in world class shape for

1399
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 3: that Jeff Horn fight. Yet a couple years later he's

1400
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 3: beating Keith Thurman, handing him his first defeat and nearly

1401
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 3: becoming the Fighter of the Year at age forty to

1402
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 3: become the oldest welterweight champion. You, of course, fight fought

1403
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 3: him when he was closer to his prime, and you

1404
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,959
Speaker 3: were certainly in yours, just on the basis of facing

1405
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 3: someone like Pacquiao. Why is it potentially possible that he's

1406
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 3: the one of one alien? What does he do that

1407
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 3: might be able to still be there at forty six?

1408
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 13: Yeah, and I was.

1409
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 15: I shared the room with Manny Pacio eleven years ago,

1410
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 15: and it was a little bit after he was starched

1411
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 15: by jan On the Marquez. You know that that scary

1412
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 15: face down knockout, and many made an adjustment after that fight.

1413
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 15: He was less of that forward, full attack shot out

1414
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 15: of a cannon type offensive machine that we saw in

1415
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 15: the lighter weights. After that fight, he boxed more, We

1416
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 15: saw more of his IQ. That was something that I

1417
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 15: really recognized when I was in the ring with him.

1418
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 15: I mean, his ability to make adjustments on the fly

1419
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 15: was super impressive. And I say to this day, I

1420
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 15: fought a lot of great champions. He's the best I

1421
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 15: ever fought. He's the best I've ever shared the ring with.

1422
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 15: His ability to his awareness in the ring. You know,

1423
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 15: obviously the guy's got sixty seventy fights, you're gonna be aware.

1424
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 15: But his awareness was next level. I couldn't believe how

1425
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 15: willing and eble he was to be able to see

1426
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 15: when I cut his rhythm and then he'd be able

1427
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 15: to adjust and change it on the fly. And I

1428
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 15: always say, when it comes to being a world champion,

1429
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 15: you got to be able to adjust. And many Pack

1430
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 15: is a guy who adjusted better than anyone I've ever

1431
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 15: been in the ring with.

1432
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:30,639
Speaker 13: And that's what gives me a little bit of hope.

1433
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 15: Like, listen, this guy could still probably do this because

1434
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 15: he's adjusted as his career has changed.

1435
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,600
Speaker 13: Guys who stay in the in the game long have to.

1436
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 15: You look at Bnard Hopkins, the same guy that was

1437
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 15: fighting in his forties was not the same guy that

1438
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 15: was fighting in his early thirties or his late twenties.

1439
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 15: He got a lot of knockouts back then. He threw

1440
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 15: way more punches back then. But as he aged, you

1441
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 15: saw the boxing IQ. You saw more fainting, more footwork,

1442
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 15: more adjustments, more control, more ring generalship, And those are

1443
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 15: things that I think Manny Pacoo actually does have in

1444
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 15: his toolbox that he can break out comes latter.

1445
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 4: Maybe you answered this question already, but I guess I

1446
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 4: ask it this way, which is non heavyweight edition because

1447
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,799
Speaker 4: like Big George Foreman wouldn't really count, but for other fighters,

1448
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 4: post forty who won world titles?

1449
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 1: Are there common denominators you can point.

1450
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,600
Speaker 4: To to say they all kind of had X or

1451
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 4: y and that explains why they were able to win.

1452
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 15: Yeah, and it comes down to ring control and being

1453
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 15: able to you know, I'm going to use a quote

1454
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 15: from my buddy and podcast partner and commentator partner of

1455
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 15: Puli Mala Naji. He goes, those guys are better at

1456
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,600
Speaker 15: old manning it. Learning how to win parts of the

1457
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 15: rounds without having to work is hard because listen, forty

1458
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 15: six is forty six. The post forty body is a

1459
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 15: different machine than that early thirties, late twenties prime physique.

1460
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 15: So being able to quote unquote old man in a bit,

1461
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 15: be able to control the space in the ring, not

1462
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 15: have to work so hard all the time, those are

1463
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 15: the guys that generally are able to excel even in

1464
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 15: a later age. We saw the Keith Thurman fight. I'll

1465
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 15: tell you right now that was not manny of old

1466
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 15: He had to be smart in there. There are times

1467
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 15: he would he didn't have that in and out. He

1468
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 15: had to stand and fight with Keith more than he

1469
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,640
Speaker 15: probably would have thought he would. He took a lot

1470
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 15: of punches, in that fight, but the power is the

1471
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 15: last thing to go. He still has that power, which

1472
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 15: is another common denimeter of a guys who fight on late.

1473
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 13: But I don't know man Manny.

1474
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,799
Speaker 15: A lot of his fight, a lot of his style

1475
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 15: was based on pace and volume. That's a really hard

1476
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 15: thing to do when you're in your late forties.

1477
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 4: For our audience who maybe have seen Mario Barrios but

1478
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 4: don't have a clear picture in their mind of exactly

1479
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 4: how he boxes, what is Manny Pacio up against in

1480
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 4: terms of the things Barrios does as a threat but

1481
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 4: also as targets of opportunity.

1482
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 15: I mean, first of all, he's thirty years old. I

1483
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 15: mean he's in the physical prime of his life. He's

1484
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 15: a solid guy. He's come up a lot of weight classes,

1485
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 15: but he seemed to carry his power. He scores a

1486
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 15: lot of knockdowns at at wealthweight. Even if he doesn't

1487
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 15: stop guys, he's able to catch guys. He's a very

1488
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 15: sharp puncher. He's long, he's tall. I do believe he's

1489
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 15: the tallest person that many Pacio's ever fought. He's five

1490
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 15: eleven six foot, so he's taller than me. He's a

1491
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 15: little taller than Antonio Margarito. But you know, he's got

1492
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 15: a good jab, He's got a really good left hook,

1493
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 15: especially to the body.

1494
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 13: Sharp funk, good fundamentals. He's a bit of a he

1495
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 13: likes to.

1496
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 15: Scrap, he likes to be in there, fights heavy over

1497
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,560
Speaker 15: that front foot, so he's gonna be He's gonna be

1498
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 15: there to engage.

1499
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,799
Speaker 13: He likes contact. You know, he's a true Mexican warrior.

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01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 15: Listen, if I was picking this fight from many ten

1501
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 15: years ago, I think Mario Baris is tailor made. He

1502
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 15: fights heavy over that front foot. He doesn't vary that

1503
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 15: jab so much right in front of He engages a lot.

1504
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 15: He's there to be hit with the straight left hands.

1505
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 15: We've seen that in other fights in the past. But

1506
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 15: we're not talking about prime Many packer. We're talking about

1507
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 15: forty six year old Mannipac Yao. So I do think

1508
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 15: we're gonna have a lot of engagement. But you know,

1509
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 15: is it gonna be the young man or is it

1510
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 15: gonna be the experience? That's really the question.

1511
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 4: Is there a way to say how the height and

1512
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 4: reach differential might.

1513
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 1: Impact this contest.

1514
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 15: So Manny, generally he was really good at fighting toller fighters.

1515
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 15: He liked fighting toller fighters. Me, Antonio Margarito, Oscar de

1516
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 15: Lahoya did very well against those guys, even guys that

1517
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 15: didn't fight so much over their front foot.

1518
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 13: Margarito very heavy on the front foot. Me not not

1519
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:07,120
Speaker 13: so much.

1520
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 15: I was a boxer. But you still have to close

1521
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 15: the gap very well. And the thing about Manny, the

1522
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 15: reason that he's good with these taller guys, is because

1523
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 15: his first step, his explosive first step, is the fastest

1524
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 15: I've ever experienced. His ability to close the gap, close

1525
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 15: the distance, throw that straight left hand with no fat

1526
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 15: on that thing right down the middle to split that

1527
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 15: guard of especially if an orthodox fighter, that's really going

1528
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 15: to be what I'm looking for in round one. If

1529
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 15: Manny still has that first step, if he can still

1530
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 15: fire one of those left straights right down the middle

1531
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 15: and split the guard of Mario Barrows in round one,

1532
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 15: we got ourselves a fight. But if we see him

1533
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 15: falling off balance, getting square, having slower feet, it's going

1534
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 15: to be a really long night for many pack Yal fans.

1535
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 3: Chris, You'll be in the arena, of course, handling the

1536
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 3: PPV dot Com live chat. We've seen great performances in

1537
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 3: that in the past, from the likes of Jim Lampley,

1538
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 3: your colleague Dan Kenobio, and so many others there when

1539
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 3: you are in that arena at the MGM Grant on Saturday,

1540
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 3: and let's imagine a scenario that Pakiao does this, you know,

1541
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 3: I mean, a stoppage win would be a lot more

1542
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 3: of an exclamation point. But even if we're waiting after

1543
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 3: a close fight to hear those scores, when George Foreman

1544
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 3: did that wearing the same trunks that he wore in

1545
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 3: Zaire and his loss to Muhammad Ali, have met something different.

1546
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 3: What do you think this would mean for a fighter

1547
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,919
Speaker 3: who's already in the International Boxing Hall of Fame, already

1548
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 3: as an eight division champion. No male fighters ever done

1549
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 3: that became literally a cultural household name doing karaoke on

1550
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 3: on the you know, on the late night television. But

1551
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 3: what would this adding on top of it mean, And

1552
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 3: what would you imagine that moment's going to be like

1553
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:48,719
Speaker 3: if it happens on Saturday.

1554
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 15: I mean, we're talking this is historic, truly, And look,

1555
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 15: you alluded to it earlier that the sub heavyweight weight

1556
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 15: divisions are a lot more difficult to win titles in

1557
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 15: advanced age. Many Pakow coming back, especially coming off four

1558
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 15: and a half your layoff, it's not like he's been active.

1559
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 15: Even George Foreman when he thought a heavyweight, he was active.

1560
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 15: He was building his way towards fighting to the title

1561
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 15: and being ready and finding that that timing in that

1562
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,000
Speaker 15: rhythm so we could catch Michael Moore. Man, he's coming

1563
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 15: off the couch man like. Literally, he's just I'm gonna

1564
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:18,720
Speaker 15: I'm gonna take this twelve round championship fight against a

1565
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 15: young thirty year old champion. If he is able to

1566
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 15: pull this off, absolutely historic. I mean, Manny's accolades are

1567
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 15: through the roof as is. This would be another feather

1568
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 15: than the cap for sure. But I think it's just

1569
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 15: it's just gonna cement his legacy as being just one

1570
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 15: of those people who is just makes you think there's

1571
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 15: nothing this man can't do. He just keeps coming back,

1572
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 15: He keeps making you, making you.

1573
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 13: Want to see him. He is a global star.

1574
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 15: He's one of the most famous people walking this earth

1575
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,799
Speaker 15: to even to this day, I've been around those crowds

1576
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 15: all over the world. Actually, I've been in Malaysia, I've

1577
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 15: been in Macowch China, and the crowds that come out

1578
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 15: for him.

1579
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 13: They and they still do. It's amazing.

1580
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 15: I mean, it would be an absolutely historic event if

1581
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 15: he's able to make this work.

1582
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 3: I fully agree with you. This loaded cart on Saturday

1583
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 3: there in Las Vegas has a few other big time

1584
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 3: all action fights coming our way. We got to talk

1585
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 3: about that Cole main event. We had Sebastian Fundora on

1586
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 3: this show last time out. He'll be the champion this

1587
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 3: time as he welcomes back tim Zo. But we all

1588
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 3: saw the first fight a year ago, the first fight

1589
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 3: in the PBC on Prime Era, in which Zoo was

1590
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 3: lighting Fondora up until that elbow to the top of

1591
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 3: the head opened to cut, and then we had a blooded,

1592
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 3: guts war that even to the to the finish when

1593
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 3: we're waiting on the scores, we really didn't know who

1594
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 3: was going to come out on top. Since then, Tim

1595
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 3: Zoo could not have had a worse, you know, rest

1596
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 3: of his year, although to his credit, he picked it

1597
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 3: up earlier this year at home and bounced back and

1598
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 3: knocked out Joey Spencer. How do you view the stocks

1599
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 3: of both coming in Considering into the first fight, we

1600
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 3: thought Zoo was the next big thing in the division,

1601
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 3: and Fondora was coming out a knockout, and now they've

1602
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 3: switched places. What should we expect Saturday night?

1603
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 15: I mean, I was so high on Tim Zoo going

1604
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 15: into that fight, and like you said, everything you said afterwards.

1605
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 15: In terms of where where he's at, he's he's been

1606
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 15: on the slide, he's been inactive, and even that Joey

1607
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 15: Spencer fight, I don't think I did a whole lot

1608
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:05,800
Speaker 15: for him.

1609
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:06,799
Speaker 13: In terms of momentum.

1610
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 15: Fondora is way up, way up since that, since that win,

1611
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 15: that bloody win. Uh, he's really been uh you know,

1612
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 15: getting in in into fine shape and fine form. I've

1613
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 15: interviewed him several times over the past year or so.

1614
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 15: I'm seeing him mature. Even in the way that he's

1615
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 15: speaking during these interviews. He believes it. He is the guy.

1616
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,080
Speaker 15: He's like, I'm the guy to beat at fifty four.

1617
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 15: Everybody needs to come to see me. And it's it's

1618
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 15: it's not it's not fake, it's not bravado.

1619
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 13: He does.

1620
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 15: He does feel that way, and Tim Zuo, I think

1621
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 15: it's the opposite. I mean, taking taking that loss that night, okay, Boom,

1622
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 15: I got cut with an elbow. I was blood in

1623
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 15: my face. I couldn't fight my fight. As you said,

1624
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 15: I was winning that fight earlier. I could beat that

1625
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 15: guy every single time. But then the Mertisali of destruction

1626
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 15: that can really damage a fighter psyche. So in terms

1627
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:53,520
Speaker 15: of psychology, these guys are in two completely different places.

1628
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 15: But we've seen them what they look like when they

1629
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 15: fought up for the first time with twelve rounds of action, guts.

1630
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 13: It was a fun fight.

1631
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 3: I mean, he's frozen, he's Are you still there, Chris?

1632
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 3: Can you still hear us?

1633
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: Give him a minute, it'll sort you know.

1634
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 3: That hotel WiFi, Luke, Nick And really, uh, I've done

1635
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 3: a few shows from there. Okay, is that a Jackson

1636
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 3: chain he's wearing? Yeah, all right?

1637
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 1: Did you call? Did you call the Fundora Zoo fight?

1638
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 3: I did not. That was the first fight in PBC

1639
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 3: Prime history. Yes, yes, uh frozen, Chris. Not sure if

1640
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 3: we can unfroz On.

1641
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Uh, let it go, Let it go.

1642
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if we can reverse Walt Disney here

1643
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,599
Speaker 3: his head, but we'll see if we can connect back

1644
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 3: with him. But some very interesting stuff, Luke, while we

1645
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 3: wait for that connection. He has a fantastic analyst. Whether

1646
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 3: he does work on pro Box. He's done work as

1647
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 3: well on top rank de Own. So many other places

1648
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 3: here are fantastic. Analyst Luke, I did want to get

1649
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 3: your your thoughts real quick on Shaker Stevenson against William

1650
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 3: Zapeta there over the twelve rounds on Saturday, defended his title,

1651
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 3: but most importantly did everything that people say he doesn't do.

1652
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 3: Stood in the trenches and fought.

1653
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 4: And uh with real skill man, especially some of those

1654
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,920
Speaker 4: sequences up against the ropes where he's shoulder rolling and

1655
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 4: it's going just by and then he's popping when he

1656
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 4: comes back and then getting right back out of the way,

1657
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:26,799
Speaker 4: and you know what.

1658
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: This was interesting.

1659
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 4: Zapeida made him do it, and so I feel like

1660
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 4: this is one of those contexts where because he was

1661
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 4: pushed by an opponent, you got to see a higher

1662
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 4: level of skill and a little bit more offensive urgency

1663
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 4: from him too. It wasn't just a defensive showcase like

1664
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 4: he had to put it on Zapeida as well, so

1665
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 4: it actually was a little bit of both. It was

1666
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 4: a defensive showcase while having I thought the requisite offense,

1667
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 4: although although I thought Sepeida had some good moments in

1668
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 4: that fight too, you know, he was competitive in ways

1669
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 4: that I did not expect. So I wasn't expecting much

1670
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 4: from Czepada. I knew he was like widely well regarded.

1671
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 4: I thought Shaquer would just handle him. But no, you

1672
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 4: didn't get that at all. This is a great showing

1673
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 4: from both guys, but in particular the way in which

1674
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 4: Chakor had to answer for the particular challenges made it

1675
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:19,879
Speaker 4: like a really really nice showcase.

1676
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, to go.

1677
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 4: From your hometown is walking out on you against Al

1678
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 4: Santos to this, and Queen's was a big upgrade.

1679
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 3: Look, this is kind of what I've been saying, where

1680
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:32,679
Speaker 3: is he his own worst enemy at times with pr

1681
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 3: or the way he handles himself in certain fights. Yes,

1682
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 3: but if you are a elite or sub elite fighter

1683
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 3: and you bring it to him, you're going to get

1684
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 3: the very best of Shakur. This version of Chakor is

1685
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 3: my favorite fighter at a watch in the world, I'm

1686
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 3: telling you, and I know some of it was Zepeida's

1687
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,639
Speaker 3: kind of the constant pressure, and I didn't think Zepeta

1688
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:52,679
Speaker 3: would even do this well, so I'd give him that credit.

1689
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 3: But some of it was the decision Chaquur made, maybe

1690
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 3: because Zepeeda isn't a big one punch knockout threat, but

1691
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 3: that decision to stand in there and show everybody what

1692
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 3: he has. Dude, this was pound for pound stuff and

1693
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 3: now Luke, he had a nice call out afterwards. Can

1694
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 3: we show the video of Shakoor talking about Tank Davis?

1695
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 3: Do we have that here?

1696
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 1: Who's nacks? I told y'all who I want to fight.

1697
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:14,879
Speaker 16: I can't.

1698
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 8: I can't keep saying the same thing. I already told

1699
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 8: y'all who I want to fight on the best versus

1700
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 8: the best? That should be my next fight. I told y'all,

1701
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 8: I'm a dog. I'm top level, elite level fighters. So

1702
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 8: let's make the Let's make boxing great again. Let's put

1703
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 8: the best fighters in the ring with each other and

1704
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 8: let's see who come out victorious.

1705
01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff right there. I want to see that

1706
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,559
Speaker 3: if I let's see if Turkey gets involved. We do

1707
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 3: have Chris al Jerry back. We fixed the Wi Fi issues,

1708
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 3: so let's finish our fantastic high level chat with the

1709
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:45,920
Speaker 3: former one hundred and forty pound world champion. Chris. Thank

1710
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 3: you for staying with us right here. Let's keep it

1711
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,639
Speaker 3: moving though. I gotta ask you about this heavyweight Tilt

1712
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 3: The rematch on Saturday for the undisputed championship as Alexander

1713
01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 3: Ussik welcomes Daniel Dubois a second time, two years after

1714
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 3: their first meeting in which Dubois Gastaut got stopped late. Yes,

1715
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 3: there was controversy over a body shot that dropped Usic,

1716
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:10,000
Speaker 3: some people thought finished Usic. Since then, Dubois has evolved

1717
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,640
Speaker 3: into an absolute terminator. Does that make this fight a

1718
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 3: lot different? When you consider Usik's two years older and

1719
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 3: he's gone twenty four kind of hard ass rounds with

1720
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 3: one Tyson fury. How do you see this match up

1721
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 3: heading into Sara.

1722
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 15: You know BC On paper? Yes, this makes this an

1723
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 15: entirely different fight. Dubois is a different machine now. He's

1724
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 15: he's really gotten over that hump that he needed for him.

1725
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 15: It was all psychological because we had so much hype

1726
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 15: around him, because his physicality has punched his their ability,

1727
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,360
Speaker 15: and you know, we saw him evolve.

1728
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 13: And mature after that Usik fight.

1729
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 15: And I keep remembering Usik grabbing him after the fight

1730
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,080
Speaker 15: and being like, Hey, you're good, You're gonna be back.

1731
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:51,600
Speaker 13: Stick with it.

1732
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 15: You're you're a very good fighter, which might come back

1733
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 15: to bite him. But if things go if things go

1734
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 15: the other way this time. But there is another interesting

1735
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 15: aspect of that first fight, now that the fight was

1736
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:07,320
Speaker 15: outdoors and the ring was wet and slick, so Usik

1737
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:11,280
Speaker 15: didn't have his stellar footwork that he normally has as

1738
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,000
Speaker 15: a fighter who's fought outside. I fought with slick conditions,

1739
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,799
Speaker 15: especially a mover. It's gonna change the way you throw punches,

1740
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 15: it's going to change the way that you change angles,

1741
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 15: it's going to change the way your offense, your defense, everything.

1742
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 15: So there is that aspect too in that first fight.

1743
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 15: But in terms of when these guys meet again, I

1744
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 15: think usk is just a different a different animal man.

1745
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 15: He's just he is so special, and he's already got

1746
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:34,599
Speaker 15: that win over Dubois in which he really made him quit,

1747
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 15: so he's got that psychological advantage. I know Dubois on

1748
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 15: a big upswing, but Usik's a different thing, and he's

1749
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 15: got that win over him already. I think it's gonna

1750
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 15: look pretty similar to the first fight.

1751
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 4: I saw some training footage you might have seen it

1752
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 4: as well, Chris of Dubois getting ready for this, and

1753
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 4: he's just going hard to the body over and over

1754
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:57,679
Speaker 4: and over again. Let me ask you, Obviously the official

1755
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:59,560
Speaker 4: ruling is a low blow. There's some controversy over it

1756
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 4: looks like a low blow to me. I would love

1757
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 4: to get your opinion on it. But more to the

1758
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 4: point is I mean, obviously you can't just punch to

1759
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 4: the body, But to what extent is that a viable

1760
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 4: if you were if you were advising Dubois on a

1761
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 4: game plan, to what extent would body work feature?

1762
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:16,760
Speaker 15: It would need to be an aspect for sure, but

1763
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,519
Speaker 15: it wouldn't have to be the end all bell or

1764
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 15: the entire entire game plan. And I don't think that's

1765
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 15: actually a good idea. If you, you know, think about

1766
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:27,720
Speaker 15: Usk and Fury, it's like, all right, people know that

1767
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,320
Speaker 15: Usik can be weak to the body. We saw him

1768
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 15: go down in the Amateurs and in the World Series

1769
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 15: of Boxing. You know, we saw that what happened when

1770
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 15: Dubois hit him, which was questionably a legal blow. I

1771
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 15: agree with you, I thought it was low But in

1772
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 15: terms of okay, why didn't Tyson just go to.

1773
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 1: The body then?

1774
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 15: Because it's not that easy, guys, when you're in a

1775
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 15: world class fight against a world class fighter, especially someone

1776
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,600
Speaker 15: with the boxing IQ of Alexander Usik. Getting to the

1777
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 15: body is not easy, and if that's the only thing

1778
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 15: you're looking for, it's gonna leave your head open, which

1779
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 15: is the main reason why people don't go to the

1780
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 15: body against world class fighters, because you have to put

1781
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 15: your head to that line. You're right in front of

1782
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 15: their fists. You're hands are away from home to reach

1783
01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 15: down to the body in that way. So I don't

1784
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 15: think it's a great idea to make that the only

1785
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:09,600
Speaker 15: thing they're looking to do. Because Dubois does have a

1786
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 15: deep bag. The guy can punch with both hands. He's

1787
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 15: a really dangerous puncher. And it's not just body shots.

1788
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 15: He can urge you to the head as well. So

1789
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 15: I know we saw training. We don't know how much

1790
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 15: that really is the true game plan. But you got

1791
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 15: to set those body shots up. You can't just wing

1792
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 15: him from the outside against a sharp shreeter like Usig.

1793
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:26,560
Speaker 4: This is a bit of a left field question, but

1794
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 4: I would love to get your perspective since you fought him.

1795
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 4: I had not seen Errol Spence even on social media

1796
01:52:32,479 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 4: until recently. Ugos was sort of reminiscing about their fight

1797
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 4: from several years ago. But of course you know, here

1798
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 4: comes Crawford. He already fought Matro mav and he's gonna

1799
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 4: fight Canelo in September.

1800
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: Not super active, But.

1801
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 4: Since the time that they fought Spence, or he fought Spence,

1802
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 4: Spence has been nowhere to be found. And I know

1803
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,760
Speaker 4: there's been some attempts to getting back in there and

1804
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 4: they've kind of all fizzled. What do you make do

1805
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 4: you think he'll ever come back, and if so, in

1806
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 4: what kind of state?

1807
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 13: It's a tough question.

1808
01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 15: You know, he's had a lot of tough fights, but

1809
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 15: he's had way tougher fights outside of the ring with

1810
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 15: car accidents, and he's had multiple and these and some

1811
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 15: of them, I mean, the one in Vegas was I

1812
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:09,720
Speaker 15: think it was Vegas, right, was horrific where he got

1813
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 15: thrown from from the car. And then he had another

1814
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 15: one like within a year later that he actually said,

1815
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 15: you know, he was having some issues and didn't want

1816
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 15: to take a tune up fight before the Crawford fight. So, uh,

1817
01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:22,800
Speaker 15: those kinds of accidents and injuries they stick with you, man.

1818
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 15: So I don't know how much is left of Errol Spence,

1819
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 15: especially at a world class level. He's been one of

1820
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 15: the most inactive guys. Even when he was fighting, he

1821
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:33,760
Speaker 15: would have long layoffs due to injury, of course, but

1822
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 15: also I mean while he also has the torn rittna,

1823
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 15: which is how he didn't he wasn't able to make

1824
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 15: the many Pakia fight.

1825
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 13: How Uga stepped in was able to beat Manny.

1826
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 15: So there's a lot of questions in terms of the

1827
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 15: health of Errol Spence and he's not getting younger. So

1828
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 15: I would I would be surprised if we saw him

1829
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 15: back at a world class level.

1830
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 1: Wow, what a shame, What a shame.

1831
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 4: That's okay, But before you, I appreciate your time here,

1832
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 4: let me just ask this. Over the weekend, you saw

1833
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,800
Speaker 4: what Hamsas Shiraz did to Edgar Burl. I've not been

1834
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 4: a believer in Berlonga for quite some time. But then

1835
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 4: it's something of a debate point on the show.

1836
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,679
Speaker 1: I wonder what you make of a what Burlonga showed,

1837
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 1: but also what Charaz showed and what that means for

1838
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: his future at sixty eight.

1839
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 15: I've been really high on Charaz for a while. Going

1840
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:16,559
Speaker 15: into that Damis fight, I was, I was all on Sharaz.

1841
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,960
Speaker 15: I'm saying Charaz is going to take over the Midway Division.

1842
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 15: Obviously we know how that fight went. I thought he lost,

1843
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 15: But I think Adamis is very underrated. I think he's

1844
01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 15: a much better prider than people give him credit for.

1845
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 15: He fought a very good game plan that night. But

1846
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 15: then also we hear about Hams of Sharaz having a

1847
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 15: hand injury in that night, and obviously he's struggling to

1848
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 15: make the weight. I don't know how that guy ever

1849
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 15: made one sixty. He looked huge at sixty eight over

1850
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 15: the weekend, and I'm very impressed with him, and he's

1851
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 15: a major player at one sixty eight now. His ability

1852
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 15: to completely control and disarm Berloga on Saturday night was

1853
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 15: very impressive. He fought at length, but he was also

1854
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 15: very physical. He showed his physical strength. I believe it

1855
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 15: was the end of the first round. I saw him

1856
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:55,960
Speaker 15: push Berlanga off and I was.

1857
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:57,760
Speaker 1: Like, whoa this is.

1858
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 15: This is supposed to be your first time at one

1859
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 15: sixty and now you're pushing the giant sixty eight pounder

1860
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 15: because berlang is huge around the ring like rag doll.

1861
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,080
Speaker 15: And he did that all night long. Whenever he got close,

1862
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 15: he'd push him off and get right to his right,

1863
01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 15: to his combinations and even the shots that hurt Berlanga,

1864
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 15: he wasn't loading up, he was just letting them go

1865
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 15: in combination, and that the impact was there. I really

1866
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 15: am sure now, or I believe now that one sixty

1867
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 15: eight was really hurting him and taking away from his performance,

1868
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 15: and now one sixty eight he's a major player.

1869
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 3: Chris, I wanted to close with this because we're all,

1870
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 3: of course getting pretty excited for Canelo versus Crawford in

1871
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 3: September Allegiance Stadium, Netflix, Daniel White envolvement. It's getting wild here,

1872
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 3: but the fight is what matters most, not the pageantry.

1873
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 3: I swear every other day I wake up and I'm like, oh,

1874
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 3: Crawford is definitely gonna win. Await what am I talking about?

1875
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 3: There's the size difference. Luke believes there's this connection here,

1876
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:52,600
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's crazy. Berlango gets blown away

1877
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 3: by Shiraz. Maybe it proves that Canela lately is just

1878
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 3: carrying B level dudes and not fighting. The a ones

1879
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 3: of late are overlooking the idea that maybe Canelo has

1880
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 3: aged not as graceful as we thought, and it's not

1881
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 3: just buds all time talent that could make this a

1882
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,839
Speaker 3: truly competitive maybe even a historic matchup.

1883
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, and be say, I'm with you, dude.

1884
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 15: I wake up some days and I'm like, I think

1885
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 15: Crawford's gonna do it, And then other days I'm like

1886
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 15: size and size is a is a thing. You know,

1887
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 15: we have weight classes for a reason. Canelo is still Canelo.

1888
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 15: Not to mention Bud's actually older than Canelo. Granted he's

1889
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 15: probably a lot fresher he is, he is still thirty seven,

1890
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 15: thirty eight years old, but yeah, I mean it's hard

1891
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 15: not to make those comparisons when you look at Berlanga

1892
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,360
Speaker 15: getting completely physical, out physical and knocked out the way

1893
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 15: he was by Hamsa Sharaz coming up and wait to

1894
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 15: think like, hey, maybe maybe Canelo really doesn't have all

1895
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 15: that much left. But I think part of it is

1896
01:56:46,640 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 15: the age. But also he's still dropping all these guys.

1897
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 15: It's not like Canel like just lost his power, lost

1898
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 15: his explosiveness. He's just not finishing guys like he used to.

1899
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 15: Like what he was when he's fighting BJ Saunders and

1900
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 15: Yielder him and Cable Plant where he had that where

1901
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 15: he stayed on you. He doesn't really have that anymore.

1902
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 15: It doesn't have an extra gear or that motor. But

1903
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 15: he's still can allow us. He's still explosive, he's still fast,

1904
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:09,920
Speaker 15: he still has good defense and head movement.

1905
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 13: He's still gonna be the much bigger man on fight night.

1906
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 13: But uh, I don't know.

1907
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm with you, though as we get closer, I'm

1908
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 15: flip flopping. I mean I tend to flip flop on

1909
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:21,840
Speaker 15: fights anyway, but this one more so than usual.

1910
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 3: Good stuff, Chris. We appreciate you enjoying us Man. Always

1911
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 3: fantastic top level analysis from you, and the fans can

1912
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:32,920
Speaker 3: check you out this Saturday during Paciol Versus Burrios, PPV

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1917
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 3: fights on Saturday, man, and by the way, loving your

1918
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 3: analysis on multiple networks.

1919
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 15: We got to say thank you so much, guys. I

1920
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 15: really appreciate coming. I love your show, by the way,

1921
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 15: I listen to it all the time. And yeah, man,

1922
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 15: we're in Vegas, Man fight week. It's I'm gonna have

1923
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 15: a lot of fun I'm already having fun.

1924
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,720
Speaker 3: Get those up coddles out there. We appreciate that. Chris,

1925
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 3: great stuff, Chris al Jerry in the house. Big fights

1926
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 3: ahead this weekend. Cannot wait, Luke.

1927
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 4: Update from Craig Jones, if I may, He says, remember

1928
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 4: the pink Cadillac that he bought to go road tripping.

1929
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Yes, he tells me it's in the shop.

1930
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 4: So it died. So he is taking an uber. He's

1931
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 4: gonna be about ten to fifteen minutes late. Like so,

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Speaker 4: let's say twelve forty twelve forty five perfect.

1933
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Speaker 3: All good on that one, Luke. To close out our

1934
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Speaker 3: topic four, we talked about Shakhor's breakthrough win. I gotta

1935
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Speaker 3: ask you two quick questions. One, I know there's a

1936
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:39,280
Speaker 3: lot going on with Tank regarding the roach rematch which

1937
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,160
Speaker 3: may or may not happen in August, not to mention

1938
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:44,840
Speaker 3: his recent arrest, of which he was just released recently.

1939
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 3: You think Turkey can step in and make this fight.

1940
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Speaker 3: We did see Louis to Cubus Junior of PBC ringside

1941
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Speaker 3: next to Turkey. We are gonna see David Benavitez on

1942
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Speaker 3: a RIAD season card this fall. Obviously, Tanks versus Shakhor

1943
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Speaker 3: is arguably the fight to make, you know, below middleweight,

1944
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 3: maybe even in all the sport. Are we on the

1945
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 3: road to seeing this?

1946
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Speaker 4: In your eyes, you would think in theory Turkey, there's

1947
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Speaker 4: no fight Turkey couldn't make.

1948
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Speaker 1: Turkey can't make any fight, but.

1949
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Speaker 4: There's no fight that is certainly beyond the concerns of purse, right,

1950
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 4: So that's not a limiting factor with him, and he

1951
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 4: obviously has you know, he's arguably the most important guy

1952
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:30,920
Speaker 4: in the world of boxing at the stage right where

1953
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 4: his connections are second to nine. Like in that sense,

1954
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,480
Speaker 4: do I think Turkey can make a very very competitive

1955
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 4: offer and really lean on these guys to do something.

1956
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 4: Of course I do, of course I do. But dude,

1957
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Speaker 4: Tank seems very unpredictable. And I really thought that after

1958
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Speaker 4: he went to jail he got some of this shit out.

1959
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Speaker 1: Of his system. No, turns it out. He didn't turns out.

1960
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Speaker 4: I mean again, these are accusations, innocential, proven guilty, but

1961
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 4: they're the same things he's been in trouble.

1962
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Speaker 1: For in the past. This is not new.

1963
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Speaker 4: This is in fact a repeat of the past in

1964
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Speaker 4: many ways, to say nothing of the odiousness of the

1965
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Speaker 4: of the alleged crimes themselves. Add on top of that, BC,

1966
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Speaker 4: during the lead up to Roach, he seemed.

1967
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Speaker 1: Like halfway in, halfway out.

1968
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Speaker 4: He kind of had a so so performance against roaches

1969
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Speaker 4: and no Roach fought very very well. Right, It's not

1970
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Speaker 4: one or the other, you know, I just don't know

1971
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 4: what kind of headspace he's in. Does he even want

1972
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:24,720
Speaker 4: to fight Chichord? Does he even want to fight Roach?

1973
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 4: Does even want to fight at all?

1974
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 1: BC? I don't know how to answer that. I don't

1975
02:00:28,200 --> 02:00:29,440
Speaker 1: know how you, like I would even answer that.

1976
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 4: So it's not to me a question of like, would

1977
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,640
Speaker 4: Turkey make a no bullshit offer to get this done?

1978
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:35,360
Speaker 1: I think you would.

1979
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,240
Speaker 4: But who the hell knows what Tank Davis is gonna do.

1980
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 4: That's kind of where I'm stuck at.

1981
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm home with you on that one. And to

1982
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 3: close on this card, we saw all action and really

1983
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 3: disputed decisions, both in the David Morrell Junior fight against

1984
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:53,080
Speaker 3: Imam Katyev, who over exceeded expectation in some ways, calling

1985
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 3: into question Morel's performance, and then we of course had

1986
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 3: Alberto Poyo losing the title at one forty to form

1987
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 3: I have been super Omatias disputed decision, really fun action fight.

1988
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:08,080
Speaker 3: Do you believe we mentioned the great matchmaking on these

1989
02:01:08,160 --> 02:01:10,960
Speaker 3: ring cards. Did Turkey's Tom and Jerry thing really work

1990
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Speaker 3: across the board?

1991
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Speaker 1: No?

1992
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 4: No, I think that they just did good matchmaking and

1993
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 4: they were guys that had You know, again, I do

1994
02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:24,680
Speaker 4: think it's worth pointing out if you had taken the

1995
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,720
Speaker 4: exact same card with the exact same guys on the

1996
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:30,720
Speaker 4: exact same day, but you didn't put it in times square,

1997
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 4: would you have potentially gotten better.

1998
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 1: Fights out of those people.

1999
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 4: There's a case to be made it could have been

2000
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:39,480
Speaker 4: better than that just by taking it and putting it

2001
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 4: in a more traditional kind of boxing setting, and that

2002
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 4: the weirdness of it all contributed to somehow the fights

2003
02:01:46,040 --> 02:01:51,640
Speaker 4: fell flat. I lost my train of thought from there,

2004
02:01:51,680 --> 02:01:53,240
Speaker 4: we see, I apologize, all.

2005
02:01:53,200 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 3: Right, all right with that? Yeah, we were going about

2006
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,840
Speaker 3: whether he actually encouraged people to stand the Jerry thing.

2007
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:03,480
Speaker 4: So I just think that like the crowd, however big

2008
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 4: it was in the Queen's, was raucous, and the matchups

2009
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,280
Speaker 4: were good, you know what I mean. Like Chiraz had

2010
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:12,560
Speaker 4: a lot to proof, so to Berlanga Sugar had a

2011
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:15,160
Speaker 4: lot to proove, So did Zepeda and on down the list,

2012
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:17,280
Speaker 4: like it was just really well put together. And know

2013
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:19,760
Speaker 4: you would have thought the same with Garcia and Hani,

2014
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 4: but there were so many questions about their lawsuit and

2015
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:25,080
Speaker 4: the drugs and the weight miths, and like the craziness

2016
02:02:25,120 --> 02:02:26,960
Speaker 4: of the lives that he had been living and the

2017
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 4: damage that Haney had taken. You didn't have some of

2018
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 4: those limiting factors here. You more had things, you had

2019
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 4: more reason for upside here, and then it just ended

2020
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,000
Speaker 4: up delivering. So, I mean, there's no question in my

2021
02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 4: mind can Turkey deliver quality boxing? It's not really a question.

2022
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:43,200
Speaker 4: He can't every time.

2023
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know.

2024
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 3: I mean you can also say, is you know, three

2025
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:49,120
Speaker 3: pay per views in boxing in eight days involving different

2026
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 3: promoters a good thing? I don't know, But I have

2027
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 3: to say, we call out Turkey when things are weird

2028
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,000
Speaker 3: or we don't agree, you gotta praise him. Saturday was awesome.

2029
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 3: And if that's the future of the Rings series, I

2030
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 3: am all. Let's go to topic number five quickly as

2031
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:04,200
Speaker 3: Craig Jones still on the way, and that's the three

2032
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 3: UFC three eighteen storylines will be there two days from

2033
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 3: now Wednesday, July sixteenth, in Manhattan with Jed meshu Quervo

2034
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:15,160
Speaker 3: presents UFC three eighteen pregame preview. You know that's coming,

2035
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:17,440
Speaker 3: but look, before we get there, let's talk about the

2036
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:20,920
Speaker 3: overarching highest storyline on this card. What is the biggest

2037
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:24,919
Speaker 3: question in your eyes that needs answering in Saturday's trilogy

2038
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 3: about for the BMF title between a retiring Dustin Poorier

2039
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 3: and Max Holloway in New Orleans.

2040
02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:35,000
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how to describe it simply, but let

2041
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 4: me tell you what I have my eye on. Max

2042
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,600
Speaker 4: said something ahead of this which makes total sense. Not

2043
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:43,000
Speaker 4: this part was not surprising, where he's like, he doesn't

2044
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 4: want to go zero to six in trilogies three losses

2045
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 4: to Volk two to Poary eight.

2046
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 1: If he loses this one, he'd be six. Not even

2047
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:49,800
Speaker 1: with a win, he'd be one in five.

2048
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,680
Speaker 4: That's not great, but he would at least be able

2049
02:03:52,680 --> 02:03:54,800
Speaker 4: to rescue himself to a degree. And I think there's

2050
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:58,200
Speaker 4: reasons that he might. But then something else happened along

2051
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 4: the way. You see that part was very ordinary. But

2052
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:05,760
Speaker 4: in subsequent interviews, more recently, people have asked him about

2053
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:09,320
Speaker 4: Illia Taporia and he was very very dismissive of him

2054
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:12,720
Speaker 4: in a number of different ways, like saying, well, he

2055
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 4: got you know, Charles off a one fight win streak,

2056
02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 4: and he got Volcal off of the islam Ko and

2057
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:19,880
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, but Max, he he ko do two,

2058
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 4: you know, like and that was, Yes, that was one

2059
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:23,960
Speaker 4: of his tougher fights of the three. Effect of the

2060
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:27,240
Speaker 4: three was his toughest, but the result was the same

2061
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:31,520
Speaker 4: in the end. And to me, it was very uncharacteristic

2062
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:36,480
Speaker 4: of Max to not give Ilia some props.

2063
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:39,400
Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering between the.

2064
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:42,360
Speaker 4: Pressure we see of going oh to six and the

2065
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:49,400
Speaker 4: I would say somewhat unusual abrasiveness towards his opponent, is

2066
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 4: he really feeling it this time?

2067
02:04:51,560 --> 02:04:52,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2068
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 4: Is he really He's coming off of a ko a

2069
02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 4: bat his only KO loss, he's coming off of one

2070
02:04:57,400 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 4: as well. I can't tell if he's got nerve or

2071
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 4: if he's angry he because b.

2072
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 1: See, we know the truth.

2073
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 4: You can have some of those things and it can

2074
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 4: propel you to greatness, but you can also have those

2075
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 4: things and it can really drag you down. Now, all

2076
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:14,240
Speaker 4: eyes are going to be on Dustin in the sense

2077
02:05:14,280 --> 02:05:17,160
Speaker 4: that it's his retirement fight and you know, how is

2078
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:18,680
Speaker 4: he going to perform in his last one and blah

2079
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:19,440
Speaker 4: blah blah.

2080
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:20,680
Speaker 1: But to me, I've got a little bit.

2081
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:22,520
Speaker 4: More of an eye on Max at this point because

2082
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:24,200
Speaker 4: he's trying to find a new life at fifty five

2083
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:28,520
Speaker 4: and between the circumstances and what it might say about

2084
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:32,200
Speaker 4: him long term in conjunction with the dismissiveness.

2085
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:34,120
Speaker 1: Over a you know, that was a real good win

2086
02:05:34,240 --> 02:05:38,320
Speaker 1: for Ilia. I'm getting some strange vibes from him. I

2087
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:39,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you share that opinion.

2088
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it's just him trying to

2089
02:05:42,040 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 3: talk up the potential of a Taporia rematch, because he

2090
02:05:45,120 --> 02:05:47,440
Speaker 3: said when people asked him in interviews if he beats Dustin

2091
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:49,280
Speaker 3: like what you know, he said, he's never going back

2092
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,200
Speaker 3: down to featherweight, even though the UFC keeps him ranked

2093
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:54,080
Speaker 3: at number one, And he was talking about, Look, he's

2094
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:55,840
Speaker 3: trying to build up a rematch. So if some of

2095
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 3: that is to convince himself and maybe to build a

2096
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 3: narrative that supports that, I understand that. But I think

2097
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:04,800
Speaker 3: you're right to bring up his mental state and where

2098
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:08,480
Speaker 3: he's at because this has been so over it's been

2099
02:06:08,520 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 3: so this whole event has been about Poorier's retirement, about

2100
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,720
Speaker 3: the shape he's in, about that he you know, told everybody,

2101
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 3: including Mike Bone, that even if they offer him to Pooria,

2102
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:18,480
Speaker 3: He's not coming back.

2103
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:19,040
Speaker 5: This is it.

2104
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:21,040
Speaker 3: He's gonna leave it all in the cage. He's gonna

2105
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 3: He's had like the best training camp from a fitness level,

2106
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:26,920
Speaker 3: and so long, it is interesting to see, well, what

2107
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 3: about Max who does come in on our on our

2108
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:32,600
Speaker 3: current DraftKings odds as the minus one twenty five favorite

2109
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:35,320
Speaker 3: despite losing the first two to the plus one oh

2110
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:38,200
Speaker 3: five Poorier. And oh, by the way, the streak that

2111
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:40,760
Speaker 3: Poorier is on needs can we throw to that that

2112
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 3: meme or that uh look at the last eight opponents

2113
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:44,879
Speaker 3: for Porier.

2114
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:48,520
Speaker 1: Dude, is that fucking insane.

2115
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 3: Mahajev Ben was Saint Deny, Justin, Gaigie, Michael Chandler, olivera

2116
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:58,320
Speaker 3: Connor twice, Dan Hooker in an absolute war and the

2117
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:01,320
Speaker 3: title fight lost to Habib. Dude. That is the definition

2118
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,720
Speaker 3: of all killer no filler right there.

2119
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,760
Speaker 1: Holy, it's unbelievable.

2120
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Speaker 4: And then the fact that he's still this viable is dude,

2121
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 4: that would ruin somebody else that our lesser man that

2122
02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:14,400
Speaker 4: would ruin and look at him still living.

2123
02:07:14,440 --> 02:07:15,200
Speaker 1: It's insane.

2124
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:17,200
Speaker 3: We're gonna get into that a lot more with Jed

2125
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Speaker 3: Well, Luke, we have Craig Jones still to come literally

2157
02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 3: in your office in Washington, DC. Before then, do you

2158
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:57,320
Speaker 3: want to hit a couple dms from donks and get

2159
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 3: the people.

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02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:58,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right.

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02:08:58,840 --> 02:09:00,680
Speaker 3: We put out the call on Sunday. Nice here's your

2162
02:09:00,760 --> 02:09:10,600
Speaker 3: questions we got answered. It's oh dms from dogs Gusting.

2163
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:14,080
Speaker 3: Our first one comes from Taekwondo dude memes, and he says,

2164
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:18,480
Speaker 3: is Katie Taylor the female Canelo a super talented boxer,

2165
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:21,840
Speaker 3: but you have to realize every close round will go

2166
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 3: their way? Yes and no?

2167
02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I sort of get the comparison. I don't

2168
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 4: think it's crazy, but I don't think this last one.

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02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:33,840
Speaker 4: Do Katie Taylor out box her in this third one?

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Speaker 4: Whatever you want to say about the first two ones, fine,

2171
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:38,680
Speaker 4: I did not. I had it ninety seven ninety three

2172
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:40,560
Speaker 4: on my scorecard too. I thought ninety five ninety five

2173
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 4: was generous to Amanda.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think that the thing when you

2175
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:49,080
Speaker 3: examined Canelo's career that even though I scored a few

2176
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:53,040
Speaker 3: fights against him Trout Laura, Triple J one and two,

2177
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 3: I scored the Jacobs fight a draw. The thing is

2178
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:59,280
Speaker 3: he's so efficient. He lands the key counter shots against

2179
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:02,400
Speaker 3: your spam jab in activity. There's a reason why that

2180
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:05,520
Speaker 3: guy wins close rounds. Watching back the first two Surrouno

2181
02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:07,680
Speaker 3: fights with Taylor, you sort of realize there's a reason

2182
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Speaker 3: why she does the same. Our second question from Elvis Flexley,

2183
02:10:12,240 --> 02:10:16,120
Speaker 3: who in the UFC light heavyweight division should move up

2184
02:10:16,120 --> 02:10:18,600
Speaker 3: to heavyweight? Luke, how about Yuri pro Hotska, forget the

2185
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 3: middleweight move, be the quick, explosive, unconventional heavyweight attacker.

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02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:27,480
Speaker 4: Who in the light heavweight vision per Hotchka, I think

2187
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:30,960
Speaker 4: could wreck people up there. I fully agree. I think

2188
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 4: he'd wreck people. Plus he's got a good chance, so

2189
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 4: like you could imagine that he could tolerate some of

2190
02:10:35,000 --> 02:10:40,360
Speaker 4: the power as well. Dude, But you know what, it

2191
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:42,320
Speaker 4: wouldn't be just him, Like I think.

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Speaker 3: Can Osmir find new life as a striker at you?

2193
02:10:46,840 --> 02:10:48,120
Speaker 3: Does he have any time for that?

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02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? No time, No time?

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02:10:52,720 --> 02:10:54,840
Speaker 3: All right, I'm you know long ee, Look, we missing

2196
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Speaker 3: anybody here.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Poeton, Johnny obvious one, but he did.

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Speaker 4: I mean the problem with Poton is like, could he

2199
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Speaker 4: win at heavyweight?

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02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:03,800
Speaker 12: Yeah?

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02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean of course he could, right, But like everyone

2202
02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:07,800
Speaker 1: wants to see the Tom Aspinal fight, I just feel

2203
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:09,720
Speaker 1: like Asphaal would blast double him into the fence.

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Speaker 6: What about someone who's kind of in no man's land

2205
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:15,160
Speaker 6: Alexander Racketts, just kind of because he's lost to the

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Speaker 6: top guys.

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Speaker 1: Big two oh fiver. He could Yeah, I think that'd

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02:11:19,200 --> 02:11:21,040
Speaker 1: be interesting. He's definitely more athletic than most of the

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Speaker 1: heavyweights too.

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02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,000
Speaker 3: You think Johnny and Walter Walker would fight each other

2211
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,280
Speaker 3: and then the winner bangs all of Scotland.

2212
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:34,080
Speaker 1: Just a fair question there.

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02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 3: Let's keep it going with Samuel Elle with the BMF

2214
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 3: belt on the line this weekend. Who are your top

2215
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:49,040
Speaker 3: bmfs in each division? What are some potential BMF match Well, I.

2216
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 1: Mean Pantoja is the champion, but he also fits the bill.

2217
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:58,280
Speaker 1: You know who at Middleway besides Morob like non Mirab.

2218
02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:02,160
Speaker 3: Edition, Tremiah as a wrestler is kind of BMF ish too.

2219
02:12:02,200 --> 02:12:03,920
Speaker 3: Look what he did with Gilbert Burns.

2220
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:10,200
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah? At forty five? Who would you go back to?

2221
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:11,720
Speaker 4: You could maybe say, yeah.

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02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:14,320
Speaker 3: You're ortegas a bmfor.

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02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, bmfor for sure?

2224
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 3: John Who John John.

2225
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:23,080
Speaker 4: Silva, Yep, John Zilba. He's a little more of a slickster,

2226
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:26,960
Speaker 4: but yeah, I get the point. Yep who else at

2227
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:29,560
Speaker 4: seventy for example? I mean Rock Monov is an easy

2228
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:35,680
Speaker 4: one for that. At eighty five loser of the main event,

2229
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:40,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? For three nineteen honestly, and then.

2230
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:42,280
Speaker 3: Okay, but it is the better question are you done

2231
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:43,879
Speaker 3: with the BMF after this on Saturday?

2232
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:44,800
Speaker 5: Is that people keep.

2233
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:46,880
Speaker 4: People keep saying this like it's gonna go away, Like

2234
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:50,560
Speaker 4: it's not going away. They look at this card like

2235
02:12:50,720 --> 02:12:53,160
Speaker 4: if they didn't have this, what would they have put on,

2236
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:55,000
Speaker 4: Like what other title fights were available?

2237
02:12:55,080 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you don't need a title for this fight.

2238
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:58,000
Speaker 3: You don't.

2239
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,240
Speaker 4: You're telling me that, like I don't like, I don't agree.

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Speaker 4: I agree, But tell that to the UFC. They don't

2241
02:13:03,400 --> 02:13:05,400
Speaker 4: like having main events without a title on it. So

2242
02:13:05,560 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 4: like having an extra belt in rotation that they can

2243
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,600
Speaker 4: just throw out there when they need it is pretty helpful.

2244
02:13:11,160 --> 02:13:13,960
Speaker 3: Like Samuel al Lungren asks a very honest question, but

2245
02:13:14,000 --> 02:13:16,520
Speaker 3: I think we're at the point where, especially since the

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02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:18,840
Speaker 3: title doesn't carry with each fighter, they just sort of

2247
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:22,080
Speaker 3: like reset it randomly. I think we're kind of done.

2248
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 3: We had a good run with it.

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Speaker 13: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Luke. I also don't love putting people

2251
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 3: in there who are also kind of in title contention.

2252
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:31,200
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like it should be only for

2253
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,680
Speaker 3: the na Diez guys. Guys, we love aging brawlers all

2254
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:36,480
Speaker 3: of that. But let's go to one more question here

2255
02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:40,600
Speaker 3: from PlayStation Shavi. He says top fights to show newer

2256
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:44,240
Speaker 3: fans pre UFC one.

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02:13:44,120 --> 02:13:48,520
Speaker 4: Hundred anything Pride related I mean, that's a very very

2258
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:51,120
Speaker 4: easy pride. But I always tell people the same thing.

2259
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,920
Speaker 4: This is what I really tell people. Find some great

2260
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:56,920
Speaker 4: fighter who had a great run and watch them. Yeah,

2261
02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 4: watch Saint Pierre's run, Watch Matt Hughes's run, and watch

2262
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:06,080
Speaker 4: run exactly, especially a guy like Nick d although he

2263
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:07,720
Speaker 4: did have some great wins after two thousand and nine.

2264
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:09,960
Speaker 4: But but yes, especially a guy like Nick Diaz, like,

2265
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:12,080
Speaker 4: just find their beginning, because that's what I've been doing

2266
02:14:12,080 --> 02:14:14,200
Speaker 4: in boxing, Like when we started doing MK Ketchup, I

2267
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:16,680
Speaker 4: would just like pick a guy and then start finding

2268
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:19,120
Speaker 4: all of the fights I could find on them on YouTube,

2269
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:21,440
Speaker 4: and you just learned so much about them this way

2270
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:23,320
Speaker 4: if you didn't get to watch all that stuff live.

2271
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 4: That's my Strike Force too, my god, so big pick

2272
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:29,640
Speaker 4: pick pick Strike Force title fights, Jacquaray, Luke rock Hold,

2273
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:31,280
Speaker 4: like any of these things.

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02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:32,760
Speaker 1: Just go back and look at w e.

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02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:37,840
Speaker 4: C Prime Run, Right, You're gonna get prime run forst.

2276
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:40,200
Speaker 4: Griffin to an extent, like all those guys. You can

2277
02:14:40,240 --> 02:14:42,280
Speaker 4: do that, you know, Yeah, I'm with you on that.

2278
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,240
Speaker 3: There's there's I mean, do you have a like, what's

2279
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:48,240
Speaker 3: the best early early UFC fight? Is there one that

2280
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:48,840
Speaker 3: stands out.

2281
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 1: Now define early early.

2282
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:55,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, like like before, Okay, how about

2283
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:58,160
Speaker 3: I say this pre ZUFA. Is there a go to

2284
02:14:58,360 --> 02:14:59,880
Speaker 3: best pre zufa ufc F.

2285
02:15:01,680 --> 02:15:05,600
Speaker 1: I believe Frank Shamrock Tito Ortiz was pre ZUFA. Okay, yep.

2286
02:15:06,440 --> 02:15:10,000
Speaker 3: I mean I like fights like Chemo versus Hoys Gracie

2287
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:13,240
Speaker 3: just because it really tested hoys during a time he had.

2288
02:15:13,160 --> 02:15:18,160
Speaker 1: To had the hair pole to uh to win. I

2289
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:19,560
Speaker 1: mean it was legal at the time.

2290
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:22,000
Speaker 3: Obviously it was a different time, different time. Yeah, yeah,

2291
02:15:22,040 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 3: all right. We also have a question here to close

2292
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:29,280
Speaker 3: from Styx plays time with Dustin Potrie's final fight coming up.

2293
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:32,120
Speaker 3: What are your top five Dustin fights to show new

2294
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:35,800
Speaker 3: fans how dominant and exciting a fighter he was. Dude,

2295
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:38,240
Speaker 3: Dan Hooker needs to be on this countdown.

2296
02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:43,040
Speaker 4: Dan Hooker's one Justin Gatchee number one, God, yes, yes,

2297
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:44,600
Speaker 4: definitely got to be.

2298
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:44,920
Speaker 1: On that one.

2299
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 4: Eddie Alvarez the second one, I believe, right because the

2300
02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:56,000
Speaker 4: first one was controversial. Yes, the second Max fight, and

2301
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 4: again you could even do the second Connor fight like

2302
02:15:58,720 --> 02:15:59,640
Speaker 4: any of those you.

2303
02:15:59,600 --> 02:16:03,080
Speaker 3: Could pick that Those are those are great choices off

2304
02:16:03,120 --> 02:16:04,520
Speaker 3: the top of your head right there? Do you don't?

2305
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,360
Speaker 3: Do you not put in the uh the Chandler fight

2306
02:16:07,400 --> 02:16:08,680
Speaker 3: that was really gnarly with blood.

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02:16:08,680 --> 02:16:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean good, you.

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02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:11,200
Speaker 4: Could do that one too, yeah, I mean you could

2309
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:13,120
Speaker 4: skip the oli Ara and the habib ones. Those ones

2310
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 4: didn't go so great. But that guy gave the business

2311
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:18,840
Speaker 4: to a generation of very.

2312
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:23,200
Speaker 3: BSD fight ruled too, So did the So did the

2313
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:23,920
Speaker 3: Majaja fight.

2314
02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yeah, well to an extent.

2315
02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:31,360
Speaker 3: Yes, Dustin gave us. He gave us a lot, Luke.

2316
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:33,760
Speaker 3: But the question is what is Craig Jones going to

2317
02:16:33,800 --> 02:16:34,000
Speaker 3: give you?

2318
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's giving me tardiness?

2319
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,000
Speaker 3: All right, all right, we're gonna hold the ship right

2320
02:16:40,160 --> 02:16:41,360
Speaker 3: until Wednesday.

2321
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 4: Well, what do you want to do? I don't know

2322
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:46,440
Speaker 4: how close he is. I know he's on the way.

2323
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:48,440
Speaker 4: What do you want to do?

2324
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 6: I got the ship locked and loaded if you want

2325
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:54,119
Speaker 6: to do it, so all.

2326
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:55,960
Speaker 3: Right, let's ship Yeah you down, Luke.

2327
02:16:56,720 --> 02:16:58,360
Speaker 4: You know what we're gonna need to anyway, because I'm

2328
02:16:58,360 --> 02:16:59,880
Speaker 4: gonna have to get him set up when he gets here,

2329
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:01,119
Speaker 4: So why not let's just do it?

2330
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:04,400
Speaker 3: All right? I scovered the globe to find the most

2331
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:07,760
Speaker 3: ridiculous videos that make Luke uncomfortable. This one's called be

2332
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:17,279
Speaker 3: Sizzle's feces.

2333
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:18,840
Speaker 1: All right.

2334
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:20,760
Speaker 3: I mentioned that there was that one extra clip from

2335
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:24,920
Speaker 3: the BKFC summit press conference that'll move you. Here's Christine

2336
02:17:24,920 --> 02:17:29,400
Speaker 3: Ferrea getting after it. You're a fucking ratchet, You fucking ratchet.

2337
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:32,320
Speaker 1: Go suck more dicks. That's why you can't make weight.

2338
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:38,400
Speaker 1: You got too much come in your throat. Bit. These

2339
02:17:38,440 --> 02:17:40,120
Speaker 1: women seem nice.

2340
02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:44,120
Speaker 3: That's the thing. BKFC doesn't know what they're doing. They

2341
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:46,600
Speaker 3: play to a certain aesthetic in a crowd and they

2342
02:17:46,640 --> 02:17:50,000
Speaker 3: go all fricking in. Okay, and Connor's a dirt hole.

2343
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:53,000
Speaker 3: Let's go to some street fight dropkicks, Luke. You remember

2344
02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:55,840
Speaker 3: this very famous clip of Larry Holmes jumping off of

2345
02:17:55,879 --> 02:17:57,720
Speaker 3: a car against Trevor Burbick in the eighties.

2346
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes it even carriage over into the parking lot.

2347
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 3: Dude, that's such a classic clip, including the quot of

2348
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:19,080
Speaker 3: Burbick going Lara home, he kicked me, he kicked me. Well,

2349
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:21,320
Speaker 3: look check out this street fight. The same thing happened.

2350
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:29,640
Speaker 3: I couldn't get you a smaller video to see it on,

2351
02:18:29,800 --> 02:18:31,680
Speaker 3: but wow, jumping off the bed of a truck to

2352
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:33,440
Speaker 3: drop kick somebody in a street fight. That's good.

2353
02:18:33,560 --> 02:18:35,160
Speaker 1: That's just pure Americana right there.

2354
02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:37,280
Speaker 3: What it is? All right, Luca's time for you to

2355
02:18:37,360 --> 02:18:39,280
Speaker 3: pack for a big trip. We got video of you

2356
02:18:39,360 --> 02:18:41,440
Speaker 3: choosing your undercarriage for the for the week.

2357
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:43,600
Speaker 1: Okay, packing for a four and a trip.

2358
02:18:43,680 --> 02:18:47,120
Speaker 5: Let's get our underwear. Day one, day, two, day three,

2359
02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:48,120
Speaker 5: day four.

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Speaker 7: Poot my pants, poot my pants, poot my pants, poo

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02:18:51,959 --> 02:18:53,760
Speaker 7: my pants, and poot my pants.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Craig's here, so why don't you take did you freeze?

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02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:04,440
Speaker 4: You gotta be shipping me right as Craig gets here.

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02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:08,680
Speaker 4: I'm okay, all right, you take it from here. I

2365
02:19:08,680 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 4: gotta go get Craig. Okay, Oh my god, are you

2366
02:19:13,560 --> 02:19:15,680
Speaker 4: dying at the worst possible There you are?

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02:19:15,720 --> 02:19:17,280
Speaker 1: There, you are. I'll be right back. I'll be right back.

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02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:18,680
Speaker 1: It take me off screen. There we go.

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02:19:20,640 --> 02:19:21,800
Speaker 3: A long ill. Look you with me?

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02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:23,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you here?

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02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 3: All right? You want to just want to close up

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02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:28,000
Speaker 3: shop here? We'll continue this on Wednesday.

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02:19:28,440 --> 02:19:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that works for me, all right?

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02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:32,240
Speaker 3: All right, But while we're waiting on the great Craig

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02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:35,080
Speaker 3: Jones to set up and intervene there, can we go

2376
02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:38,640
Speaker 3: back quickly to what we left behind on topic number

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02:19:38,640 --> 02:19:42,200
Speaker 3: four and did you watch this card? Did you do

2378
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:43,360
Speaker 3: a live thing on Saturday Long?

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02:19:44,320 --> 02:19:46,480
Speaker 6: I did, but I was doing the UFC, so I

2380
02:19:46,600 --> 02:19:48,800
Speaker 6: wasn't watching the ring three cards.

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02:19:48,959 --> 02:19:51,200
Speaker 5: I had a curve fight up in the background. I

2382
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:52,440
Speaker 5: really was not watching it close.

2383
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:55,160
Speaker 3: Can we throw to the meme on cop? Did you

2384
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:55,560
Speaker 3: see this?

2385
02:19:56,959 --> 02:19:57,199
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2386
02:19:57,200 --> 02:19:58,359
Speaker 5: This is classic cop.

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02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:03,600
Speaker 3: Dressed like a retired police shout out to Mike Coppinger

2388
02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:06,840
Speaker 3: on there on the ring card and uh, I wanted

2389
02:20:06,879 --> 02:20:08,920
Speaker 3: to play one more at a close up shop on Sharaz.

2390
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:11,560
Speaker 3: Here is him talking about what he did learn about

2391
02:20:11,560 --> 02:20:13,720
Speaker 3: that a Damas fight that helped him make the changes

2392
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:15,000
Speaker 3: against Brolonga. That's good stuff.

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Speaker 9: First couple of rounds, I was losing them, and I

2394
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:19,200
Speaker 9: knew I was losing them, but I was adjusting and

2395
02:20:19,240 --> 02:20:21,280
Speaker 9: that was a massive learning experience I learned from my

2396
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:24,360
Speaker 9: last fight against the Damis. So I think that's what

2397
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:26,039
Speaker 9: makes a great fight or not a great fight, a

2398
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:29,440
Speaker 9: good fighter adapting from fights to fights.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, this was a good day for me.

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02:20:31,400 --> 02:20:33,160
Speaker 10: Does a knockout make the win even more sweeter?

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02:20:33,320 --> 02:20:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah it does, it does. A lot of people were

2402
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:36,160
Speaker 1: happy for me.

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02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:38,800
Speaker 17: A lot of people were happy for me, But like

2404
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:41,840
Speaker 17: I said, Respectablanga. At the end of the day, I

2405
02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:43,240
Speaker 17: knew what I was up against.

2406
02:20:43,360 --> 02:20:45,800
Speaker 1: I knew this talking that was going to be involved.

2407
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:47,280
Speaker 1: I knew the type of character he was.

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02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:51,440
Speaker 17: So it was all about mentally staying staying very sane,

2409
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:54,720
Speaker 17: staying very focused, and like I said, nothing was stopping

2410
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:55,360
Speaker 17: me winning tonight.

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02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:56,080
Speaker 1: Honestly nothing.

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02:20:57,840 --> 02:21:00,560
Speaker 3: You gotta give or sorry, Charas a lot of credit

2413
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:02,840
Speaker 3: for stepping up into that performance after kind of being

2414
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:05,959
Speaker 3: auditor there against the damis. He looks like a major player.

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02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:08,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if he can have you know, similar

2416
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:10,560
Speaker 3: success against Canelo, but do I want to see it?

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02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2418
02:21:11,000 --> 02:21:13,400
Speaker 3: I do. And also, of course when we're talking about

2419
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:15,920
Speaker 3: Saturday's PBC main event, I'll be of course be on

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02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:17,680
Speaker 3: the call there for that pay per view card on

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02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:21,119
Speaker 3: Prime Video pay per view. Manny Pacquio Mario Barrios Right now,

2422
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:26,280
Speaker 3: according to DraftKings, Patio plus two eighty five underdog minus

2423
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:30,120
Speaker 3: three ninety is Barrios. But here's Pakov forty six hit

2424
02:21:30,160 --> 02:22:04,920
Speaker 3: in the bag. Let's see what we got here. I mean,

2425
02:22:04,959 --> 02:22:06,920
Speaker 3: you can't want to fight hitting a heavy bag, but

2426
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:09,400
Speaker 3: it's gonna be very interesting to see what version of

2427
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 3: Pachio shows up and what he has and when referencing,

2428
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:15,800
Speaker 3: of course, that heavyweight undisputed championship rematch on Sarday on

2429
02:22:15,879 --> 02:22:17,959
Speaker 3: his own pay per view, of which Usik is a

2430
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:21,200
Speaker 3: minus three forty betting favorite according to draftings against the

2431
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:25,440
Speaker 3: plus two sixty Dubois. Let's hear from Dubois in what

2432
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:27,960
Speaker 3: promises he is making entering this rematch.

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02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:29,360
Speaker 1: My mass is still right.

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02:22:29,440 --> 02:22:33,279
Speaker 18: Twenty one of your victories have come with straight knockouts.

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02:22:33,360 --> 02:22:36,600
Speaker 14: Yeah, fire works, It's gonna be bombs away on the night.

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02:22:37,480 --> 02:22:37,720
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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02:22:37,800 --> 02:22:39,440
Speaker 1: Is it gonna be a big punching fight? Is that

2438
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:40,120
Speaker 1: how you say it?

2439
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:43,240
Speaker 14: I'm gonna be the one for on the bombs and

2440
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:45,720
Speaker 14: just coming through. Whyever after come through? No, I'm not

2441
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:46,520
Speaker 14: going to be denied.

2442
02:22:47,879 --> 02:22:50,760
Speaker 18: And just a word about your opponent. I mean, obviously

2443
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:53,200
Speaker 18: you think you're gonna win. He'll go in there fining.

2444
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:56,320
Speaker 18: He's got every chance of winning. How do you see

2445
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:57,240
Speaker 18: him as a fight too?

2446
02:22:58,120 --> 02:23:01,000
Speaker 14: I've seen him as a top guy, isn't it. It's

2447
02:23:01,040 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 14: gonna be at one of the best in the world ranked,

2448
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:04,480
Speaker 14: you know, globally.

2449
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:06,199
Speaker 1: But now I think it's my time.

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02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:09,400
Speaker 14: I'm in the young line here and I've got to

2451
02:23:09,400 --> 02:23:13,000
Speaker 14: approve that I'm a new force, a real force in

2452
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:14,920
Speaker 14: the division, and I'm gonna take over.

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02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:18,000
Speaker 3: Of course, I'll have a lot more on this on

2454
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:22,040
Speaker 3: Inside the Box with Ary Bartholow you tomorrow. That's Tuesday morning,

2455
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:25,000
Speaker 3: eleven am Eastern and the Brian Campbell Experience. But Dubois

2456
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:27,480
Speaker 3: saying he's willing to walk through anything like he did

2457
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:30,959
Speaker 3: against Joshua in order to try to become the undisputed champion.

2458
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:33,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna be fun to see against an older but

2459
02:23:33,360 --> 02:23:36,320
Speaker 3: still smart Usk with those countershots. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even mention here about the merch. By the way,

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Speaker 3: July exclusive releases, from the three Margarita shirt to the

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Speaker 3: Technical Thriller. Of course, you know about these Average Joe

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Speaker 3: Art designs that are from back in the day. You

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Speaker 3: can check out our evergreen designs as well by going

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Speaker 3: to Morningcombat Dot Shop. And as we Craig Jones are

2467
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:02,000
Speaker 3: setting up for the sit down, we got to show

2468
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Speaker 3: that quick video of Dustin Poorier wearing another Average Joe

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Speaker 3: Art exclusive that you can buy on Poorier's website right now.

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Speaker 3: Ahead of this final fight, the last dance with all

2471
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Speaker 3: of the heads that Poorier has taken out through his career.

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02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:18,920
Speaker 3: Shout out to the Great average Joe Art for that

2473
02:24:18,959 --> 02:24:21,000
Speaker 3: One Long Island Luke? Where are we at in the

2474
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:22,600
Speaker 3: Craig Jones setup process?

2475
02:24:22,920 --> 02:24:25,200
Speaker 6: So Luke was just seated next to him, but then

2476
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 6: Luke just got up. Now it looks like Luke is

2477
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:30,400
Speaker 6: sitting back down. I don't want to unmute him yet,

2478
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:32,080
Speaker 6: just in case he's already bad.

2479
02:24:32,440 --> 02:24:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you make of One Long Islander? Chris

2480
02:24:35,200 --> 02:24:36,880
Speaker 3: al Jerry on the show. I wish we had had

2481
02:24:36,959 --> 02:24:39,480
Speaker 3: more time. I wanted to let you throw a question

2482
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:41,039
Speaker 3: about local Huntington action.

2483
02:24:41,240 --> 02:24:42,800
Speaker 5: I know, I wanted to ask him like, what's his

2484
02:24:42,879 --> 02:24:44,680
Speaker 5: bagel place? What's his pizza place?

2485
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:46,480
Speaker 1: You know? But I was loving in the chat.

2486
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:48,760
Speaker 5: Some people were like, oh, he sounds just like Long

2487
02:24:48,760 --> 02:24:49,440
Speaker 5: Island Luke.

2488
02:24:50,320 --> 02:24:52,520
Speaker 3: I always wonder how he pronounces cool fee, you know

2489
02:24:52,520 --> 02:24:52,879
Speaker 3: what I mean?

2490
02:24:53,560 --> 02:24:57,040
Speaker 5: Probably just like me. I'm gonna just assume Luke's ready

2491
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:57,240
Speaker 5: for this.

2492
02:24:57,400 --> 02:24:59,400
Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna throw it over here. Luke will

2493
02:24:59,440 --> 02:25:01,360
Speaker 3: take you to the f thisisure's Luke Thomas and the

2494
02:25:01,400 --> 02:25:02,560
Speaker 3: Great Craig Jones.

2495
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:07,200
Speaker 1: Here we go. Hey, can you hear me? Can you

2496
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:07,920
Speaker 1: see me? Yeah?

2497
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:08,360
Speaker 5: We got you?

2498
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:12,080
Speaker 1: Dude. Where did b C just leave? Yeah? He signed off, essentially,

2499
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:16,920
Speaker 1: what a cocksucker? All right, hello everyone, Luke Thomas here.

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02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:20,879
Speaker 1: You know this guy. This is Craig Jones. How are

2501
02:25:20,920 --> 02:25:21,520
Speaker 1: you doing, Craig.

2502
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:24,040
Speaker 5: I'm hot, I'm enjoying the heat out here.

2503
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:25,959
Speaker 4: I'm gonna turn my chair a little bit sideways here,

2504
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a little close.

2505
02:25:26,959 --> 02:25:27,760
Speaker 1: You know what you want to widen?

2506
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:28,959
Speaker 4: Do you want to do me a solid and just

2507
02:25:28,959 --> 02:25:32,040
Speaker 4: widen the thing we I'm gonna put Craig's camera people

2508
02:25:32,120 --> 02:25:32,640
Speaker 4: to work.

2509
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:39,000
Speaker 1: The back one. Yeah, she has a nice other way there. Yeah,

2510
02:25:39,040 --> 02:25:39,560
Speaker 1: there we go.

2511
02:25:39,720 --> 02:25:42,080
Speaker 4: Very good, Thank you so much. That's perfect, Craig. How

2512
02:25:42,120 --> 02:25:43,080
Speaker 4: are you good?

2513
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:48,119
Speaker 5: Good? Fucking warm?

2514
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:52,160
Speaker 4: No, it is the mosquitoes too, don't eat your ass

2515
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:52,879
Speaker 4: alive here.

2516
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:55,600
Speaker 16: The bloody mozziest here for sure.

2517
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:57,440
Speaker 1: How has it been?

2518
02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:02,840
Speaker 16: It's been good of this road trip up in New York.

2519
02:26:03,440 --> 02:26:05,480
Speaker 16: We started up there, that was just cruising down and

2520
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:08,480
Speaker 16: every city the car ends up in the shop. We

2521
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:09,120
Speaker 16: make it out of it.

2522
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:10,960
Speaker 5: We got the eighty nine Lincoln Town.

2523
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:12,480
Speaker 4: I was hoping you were going to pull it up

2524
02:26:12,520 --> 02:26:14,120
Speaker 4: here and I was gonna be able to take pictures

2525
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:14,520
Speaker 4: of it.

2526
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:17,880
Speaker 16: But it's in the shop as we speak. The power steering,

2527
02:26:18,080 --> 02:26:21,600
Speaker 16: I'm talking like I know anything about cars. I don't know,

2528
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,080
Speaker 16: but probably every shop takes advantage of me. But actually,

2529
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:26,760
Speaker 16: where were we We were up in Atlantic City and

2530
02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:28,600
Speaker 16: one of the gyms there they took care of us,

2531
02:26:28,600 --> 02:26:31,920
Speaker 16: so they fixed the car problems. At that stage, the

2532
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:34,039
Speaker 16: new ones have developed here, so I lost.

2533
02:26:34,280 --> 02:26:35,320
Speaker 5: Power steering here.

2534
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:39,039
Speaker 16: So I was obviously driving this boat through DC and

2535
02:26:39,080 --> 02:26:40,400
Speaker 16: I started not being down the turn left.

2536
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:41,879
Speaker 5: The car was sitting to zoo.

2537
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:45,240
Speaker 1: And well, welcome, Welcome to the nation's capital.

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02:26:46,360 --> 02:26:48,240
Speaker 4: I have so many questions for you, but we have

2539
02:26:48,320 --> 02:26:50,120
Speaker 4: to start with the obvious one, which is the video

2540
02:26:50,200 --> 02:26:51,720
Speaker 4: you put out yesterday.

2541
02:26:52,040 --> 02:26:52,959
Speaker 1: So let's break this down.

2542
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:54,680
Speaker 4: So for folks who haven't seen it, Craig Jones put

2543
02:26:54,680 --> 02:26:55,520
Speaker 4: out a video yesterday.

2544
02:26:55,560 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 1: It's on the B Team YouTube.

2545
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:59,480
Speaker 4: Channel of Memory serves Yes, Yeah, and in it there's

2546
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:01,880
Speaker 4: a few so let's go piece by piece.

2547
02:27:01,959 --> 02:27:03,879
Speaker 1: One of them is this one was not surprising to me.

2548
02:27:04,360 --> 02:27:06,240
Speaker 4: One of them is that B Team is basically going

2549
02:27:06,280 --> 02:27:07,960
Speaker 4: to be no more now, that is to say, you

2550
02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:12,080
Speaker 4: are leaving B Team and the remaining people. So that's

2551
02:27:12,120 --> 02:27:14,160
Speaker 4: I don't know Damien's last name, what's his last name?

2552
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:15,480
Speaker 1: Not important.

2553
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:21,040
Speaker 4: Nicky Ryan, Nicky Rod and some other Ethan Crownson will

2554
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:22,840
Speaker 4: be there as well, and they're going to rebrand.

2555
02:27:22,879 --> 02:27:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't know when that rebrand will happen.

2556
02:27:25,080 --> 02:27:27,200
Speaker 5: Great question, I would imagine. So it's basically like the

2557
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:28,200
Speaker 5: Swan song. Right.

2558
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:33,560
Speaker 16: So New Wave and the brilliant political analyst Gordon Ryan

2559
02:27:33,720 --> 02:27:38,879
Speaker 16: have created Kingsway, So the era of New Wave will end.

2560
02:27:39,480 --> 02:27:42,600
Speaker 16: So New Wave's final competition, I imagine, will be our event.

2561
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:44,520
Speaker 16: And it's kind of the same for B Team. I

2562
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:46,800
Speaker 16: mean there's really no how feelings. I'm like kind of

2563
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:48,160
Speaker 16: like the dad that went out for milk and never

2564
02:27:48,200 --> 02:27:51,160
Speaker 16: came back. Yeah, I kicked out of the gym. Now

2565
02:27:51,520 --> 02:27:53,920
Speaker 16: I want to pass pass it on to them, you know,

2566
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:56,440
Speaker 16: Like I mean, it's hard to have a gym with

2567
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:59,400
Speaker 16: five six on it. You know, It's like it's kind

2568
02:27:59,400 --> 02:28:02,600
Speaker 16: of hard to make a profit that way really, you know,

2569
02:28:02,680 --> 02:28:04,960
Speaker 16: like a jiu jitsu gym. I reckon as a business,

2570
02:28:04,959 --> 02:28:08,920
Speaker 16: they function best single owner, he's the coach, she has

2571
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:10,880
Speaker 16: the students. She can make good money doing that. But

2572
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:15,039
Speaker 16: in terms of a bunch of professional athletes. It's very difficult, right,

2573
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:18,240
Speaker 16: like to have a gym that both focuses on the

2574
02:28:18,280 --> 02:28:20,600
Speaker 16: professional athlete side of things, and to be a professional

2575
02:28:20,600 --> 02:28:22,119
Speaker 16: athlete you kind of have to be selfish.

2576
02:28:22,680 --> 02:28:24,600
Speaker 5: To run an academy for.

2577
02:28:24,640 --> 02:28:26,800
Speaker 16: All people, beginners and everything, you kind of have to

2578
02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:28,840
Speaker 16: be a bit selfless, right, You have to look at

2579
02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:31,600
Speaker 16: the students. So that's the direction they want to take

2580
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:34,320
Speaker 16: it in, and me, I'm never there, So it's like

2581
02:28:34,480 --> 02:28:39,240
Speaker 16: full intensive purposes. Why why I keep it going as

2582
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:41,480
Speaker 16: it is? We had a good run, So it's kind

2583
02:28:41,480 --> 02:28:42,879
Speaker 16: of like it fits perfect really.

2584
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:44,760
Speaker 1: But why rebrand though?

2585
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:47,640
Speaker 5: Why rebrand? Just new beginning?

2586
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:51,560
Speaker 16: The beginning and obviously me, my image is quite times

2587
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:54,120
Speaker 16: as you can imagine, So like I think a separation

2588
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:57,320
Speaker 16: from me, I think unfortunately B Team is quite synonymous

2589
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,720
Speaker 16: with me. B Team, I mean, keep it out there,

2590
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:03,080
Speaker 16: like he'll probably busts some merch out once in a while,

2591
02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:06,760
Speaker 16: something good comes along. But for those boys, for what

2592
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:09,640
Speaker 16: their starting is going to be kind of a different image,

2593
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,960
Speaker 16: you know, family friendly. They want to incorporate mixed martial

2594
02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:16,560
Speaker 16: arts and striking. Because Damien doesn't ever marry, they want

2595
02:29:16,600 --> 02:29:18,879
Speaker 16: to go through that big gym type of feelm. I

2596
02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:20,680
Speaker 16: keep asking him. I'm like, what's the new name going

2597
02:29:20,760 --> 02:29:23,160
Speaker 16: to be? Because they got their simple Man podcast, so

2598
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:26,800
Speaker 16: I'm like, simple Man jiu jitsu fits quite well against

2599
02:29:27,080 --> 02:29:28,920
Speaker 16: Kingswave elitist you.

2600
02:29:28,840 --> 02:29:30,640
Speaker 1: Know, Kingsway. That's the new Gordon one.

2601
02:29:30,680 --> 02:29:31,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the new Gordon one. Yeah.

2602
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:33,960
Speaker 16: Gordon's been on the tire eight on the internet against

2603
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:38,640
Speaker 16: me today. As you can imagine, perfect grammar, perfect spelling,

2604
02:29:39,080 --> 02:29:41,879
Speaker 16: clear translation of the ideas.

2605
02:29:41,879 --> 02:29:43,119
Speaker 5: He's trying to get across.

2606
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:46,040
Speaker 1: What has been his line of attack. I didn't see this.

2607
02:29:46,920 --> 02:29:49,320
Speaker 16: I refuse to read it until he learns how he's backgraphs.

2608
02:29:49,320 --> 02:29:52,360
Speaker 16: To be honest, I looked for the cliff notes. Honestly,

2609
02:29:52,360 --> 02:29:53,959
Speaker 16: I don't even know what he means half the time.

2610
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:57,320
Speaker 16: But I don't know why he's angry that I'm leaving

2611
02:29:57,360 --> 02:30:00,400
Speaker 16: his city. He's got his gym, now I'm leaving take it.

2612
02:30:00,440 --> 02:30:02,520
Speaker 4: Does he see it as some and again, does he

2613
02:30:02,680 --> 02:30:05,760
Speaker 4: see it as some kind of like victory lap or something?

2614
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:06,960
Speaker 5: Maybe?

2615
02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:09,200
Speaker 16: I mean, I just it's funny. It's like they had

2616
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:12,120
Speaker 16: a new way. Now they have Kingsway. We had be team,

2617
02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,400
Speaker 16: and then it'll preve be some sort of incarnation of

2618
02:30:14,440 --> 02:30:17,200
Speaker 16: simple man. It's kind of like we're kind of doing

2619
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:19,560
Speaker 16: the same thing, you know what I mean. Like, so

2620
02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:21,440
Speaker 16: I don't know what I don't know the beefis. I'm

2621
02:30:21,440 --> 02:30:23,360
Speaker 16: trying to put the beef aside. Me and John Danaher

2622
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:28,199
Speaker 16: were homies again, we're friends again. It's just h Obviously

2623
02:30:28,440 --> 02:30:31,360
Speaker 16: Gordon still doesn't like I don't know why, nothing but

2624
02:30:31,440 --> 02:30:32,320
Speaker 16: complimentary towards them.

2625
02:30:32,360 --> 02:30:35,120
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, you guys have been nothing but h fast

2626
02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:37,360
Speaker 4: friends this whole time. My producer is telling me, you're

2627
02:30:37,360 --> 02:30:38,680
Speaker 4: a little low on the microphone if you want to

2628
02:30:38,680 --> 02:30:39,720
Speaker 4: speak a little bit closer to.

2629
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:40,760
Speaker 5: It, just whispering.

2630
02:30:41,400 --> 02:30:42,879
Speaker 1: All right, But let's I want to talk more about this.

2631
02:30:43,000 --> 02:30:44,920
Speaker 1: So do you know.

2632
02:30:46,760 --> 02:30:50,600
Speaker 4: When you guys decided to okay, how how did this

2633
02:30:50,600 --> 02:30:52,520
Speaker 4: decision come about? Did you go to them and say, guys,

2634
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:54,520
Speaker 4: I'm out where, they like, we need to make a

2635
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:55,040
Speaker 4: call here?

2636
02:30:55,360 --> 02:30:56,400
Speaker 1: What was the process?

2637
02:30:56,560 --> 02:30:56,840
Speaker 3: I would?

2638
02:30:56,840 --> 02:30:58,760
Speaker 16: I would It's just like kind of a logical decision,

2639
02:30:58,760 --> 02:31:01,360
Speaker 16: you know, Like for the first eighteen months to two years,

2640
02:31:01,440 --> 02:31:03,440
Speaker 16: I was slogging it out of B team. I was

2641
02:31:03,480 --> 02:31:06,800
Speaker 16: there twice a day, you know, like, and then as

2642
02:31:07,160 --> 02:31:09,560
Speaker 16: I mean, even MMA coaching, I'm gone for six weeks

2643
02:31:09,560 --> 02:31:12,440
Speaker 16: and then sometimes you decide to go to Bali on vacation,

2644
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:13,680
Speaker 16: you end up there for six months.

2645
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:16,080
Speaker 5: You know, Like I'm just never around. So it was

2646
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:18,680
Speaker 5: kind of coming to this point.

2647
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:20,440
Speaker 16: Where we were just like we're all collectively thinking it,

2648
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:22,240
Speaker 16: and that's just like me, I said, I'm never there.

2649
02:31:22,240 --> 02:31:25,320
Speaker 5: Why am I attached? Attached to this physical premises?

2650
02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 16: But I will say, I mean for the students, a

2651
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:30,080
Speaker 16: B team, like it's going to have a new name,

2652
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:33,120
Speaker 16: but you still have your gym. Really, day to day

2653
02:31:33,160 --> 02:31:36,039
Speaker 16: operations will continue, the same guys teaching the classes, be

2654
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:38,600
Speaker 16: teaching the classes. Nicky Ryan's going to kind of step

2655
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:41,879
Speaker 16: up into that head coach roll. Unfortunately, the body he

2656
02:31:41,959 --> 02:31:44,240
Speaker 16: has been given is failing him.

2657
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I've seen the rehab though it seems to be going.

2658
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:49,440
Speaker 16: Yeah, he's doing it now, So I'm proud of him

2659
02:31:49,440 --> 02:31:51,840
Speaker 16: that now he's doing rehab. For the longest time, he

2660
02:31:51,879 --> 02:31:53,440
Speaker 16: would not do the rehab. He did a little bit

2661
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:56,360
Speaker 16: of rehab, but the video games would call him. But

2662
02:31:56,680 --> 02:31:59,279
Speaker 16: now he's given up the video games and he's really

2663
02:31:59,400 --> 02:32:01,879
Speaker 16: taken on board the head coach rough and I think

2664
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:05,000
Speaker 16: the gym it requires a head coach, right, you know,

2665
02:32:05,080 --> 02:32:06,640
Speaker 16: it's like kind of Lord of the Flies in there

2666
02:32:06,680 --> 02:32:09,600
Speaker 16: most of the time. But Nicky Ryan stepping up taking over.

2667
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:13,080
Speaker 16: He's the best teacher. He's the best teacher in there,

2668
02:32:13,160 --> 02:32:15,120
Speaker 16: you know. I think he's very good at teaching, and

2669
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:17,640
Speaker 16: he's coaching is very good. Like I love having Nicky

2670
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:20,000
Speaker 16: Ryan in my corner for matches. I hate to say

2671
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,879
Speaker 16: I even enjoyed having Gordon in the corner when it

2672
02:32:22,879 --> 02:32:25,040
Speaker 16: comes to jiu jitsu. Has fantastic opinions. It wouldn't ask

2673
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:28,440
Speaker 16: him anything else. Nicky Ryan coaching phenomenal. So I think,

2674
02:32:28,520 --> 02:32:30,199
Speaker 16: like the gym's in, say fans, people.

2675
02:32:29,959 --> 02:32:31,880
Speaker 1: In say fans, you're not going to miss Austin.

2676
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:33,960
Speaker 5: No, not a lot.

2677
02:32:34,040 --> 02:32:36,840
Speaker 16: You know, there are some good parts of Ustin. But yeah,

2678
02:32:36,879 --> 02:32:38,320
Speaker 16: I mean I don't love it too much. It's not

2679
02:32:39,320 --> 02:32:42,840
Speaker 16: I don't hate these places. I just enjoy being on

2680
02:32:42,879 --> 02:32:46,640
Speaker 16: the move. You know, when the UFC legal summons come

2681
02:32:46,680 --> 02:32:48,360
Speaker 16: my way, they weren't know where to find me.

2682
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:51,520
Speaker 1: When would they send you legal summons?

2683
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:53,520
Speaker 4: By the way, they're just watching this two of the

2684
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:54,600
Speaker 4: most hated people that they have.

2685
02:32:55,560 --> 02:32:57,560
Speaker 16: Actually, before I went on Areo, I didn't tell my

2686
02:32:57,920 --> 02:32:59,720
Speaker 16: lawyer and manager that I was going on there and

2687
02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:02,520
Speaker 16: I just posted LA five minutes at the end, he

2688
02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:06,200
Speaker 16: was like, what have you plugged? It's like advising me,

2689
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:08,800
Speaker 16: obviously we have this bazookid a day in White's head.

2690
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:11,400
Speaker 16: He did not suggest that, but again, for legal purposes,

2691
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:13,040
Speaker 16: that could have been any board man. They all look alike.

2692
02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but fair enough. Is there some plausible deniability? All right?

2693
02:33:16,600 --> 02:33:19,600
Speaker 4: So the other ports portion excuse me of the announcement

2694
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:22,400
Speaker 4: that was in the video yesterday. One was you're leaving

2695
02:33:22,440 --> 02:33:25,680
Speaker 4: the country, as I understand, right, are you just gonna

2696
02:33:25,720 --> 02:33:27,600
Speaker 4: roam like you've been doing? Because every time I'm on Instagram,

2697
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:29,880
Speaker 4: it's like, well, Craig is in is Stanbull, Creg is

2698
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:31,760
Speaker 4: in Ukraine, Creg is in wherever the fuck?

2699
02:33:31,879 --> 02:33:33,480
Speaker 5: Like is that the adventure?

2700
02:33:33,600 --> 02:33:33,800
Speaker 12: You know?

2701
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:37,640
Speaker 16: Seeing where wherever I'm needed? Most of the time I'm

2702
02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:40,480
Speaker 16: not needed there, but wherever I feel drawn to. And again,

2703
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:42,160
Speaker 16: like we've got a couple of big flights coming up.

2704
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:44,279
Speaker 16: I imagined Volks will be fighting before the year ends.

2705
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:47,640
Speaker 16: Della is going to take out Macachev. So it's like

2706
02:33:48,600 --> 02:33:50,279
Speaker 16: I have to put in the effort for those camps.

2707
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:52,920
Speaker 16: So it's like those do take a lot of time,

2708
02:33:53,360 --> 02:33:55,840
Speaker 16: you know what I mean that again, for Volkanovski is

2709
02:33:55,879 --> 02:33:58,640
Speaker 16: long one. I spent a full six weeks with him,

2710
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:00,440
Speaker 16: and I think I'm going to be targeting the same

2711
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:02,840
Speaker 16: for the Jack Della, even though I have to be

2712
02:34:02,879 --> 02:34:05,640
Speaker 16: in the cultural hub of Australia of Perth for six weeks.

2713
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:07,080
Speaker 5: But you know what we'll pull.

2714
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:11,400
Speaker 1: Well, how is Perth I've never been done. That's terrible.

2715
02:34:11,959 --> 02:34:15,920
Speaker 16: I mean honestly as a city, the beaches, the weather, incredible,

2716
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:20,560
Speaker 16: the people table, what's the equivalent here, Oh, summer in

2717
02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:21,480
Speaker 16: West Virginia movie?

2718
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:24,959
Speaker 1: Oh fuck? Really just West Virginia with the beaches.

2719
02:34:25,080 --> 02:34:27,680
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's the most oscillated city in Australia and that's

2720
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:29,640
Speaker 16: for a reason, right, fair.

2721
02:34:30,440 --> 02:34:32,279
Speaker 1: But then there was a last component of the announcement.

2722
02:34:32,280 --> 02:34:33,680
Speaker 4: If you want, I'm gonna slide over just a little

2723
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:35,280
Speaker 4: bit and come this way, just we get you more

2724
02:34:35,320 --> 02:34:37,760
Speaker 4: infort Yeah, there you go. No, it's all right, it's

2725
02:34:37,800 --> 02:34:40,039
Speaker 4: it's listen. It's a narrow thing where we're we're you know,

2726
02:34:40,040 --> 02:34:41,240
Speaker 4: we're working with the studio.

2727
02:34:42,200 --> 02:34:44,040
Speaker 5: It's still big. Came backing away from him.

2728
02:34:44,120 --> 02:34:46,840
Speaker 1: I know, I look like a different species.

2729
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:47,320
Speaker 5: Next thing.

2730
02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:50,240
Speaker 1: It's really quite remarkable. But the other point I will

2731
02:34:50,240 --> 02:34:50,480
Speaker 1: tell you.

2732
02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:51,760
Speaker 4: It kind of broke my heart a little bit to

2733
02:34:51,800 --> 02:34:53,560
Speaker 4: see the last part of the announcement, which was like

2734
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,040
Speaker 4: the match against Cable Steve Sing, which of course we'll

2735
02:34:56,040 --> 02:34:58,480
Speaker 4: culminate c J I two later in August.

2736
02:34:58,640 --> 02:34:59,920
Speaker 1: After that, you're donezo.

2737
02:35:00,840 --> 02:35:02,520
Speaker 4: And then I saw on Reddit you say you were

2738
02:35:02,520 --> 02:35:05,400
Speaker 4: going to vanish, So what.

2739
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Is happening with you after CJI? We'll talk about CGI

2740
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:10,720
Speaker 1: just a second, But what what what? What's happening?

2741
02:35:10,840 --> 02:35:11,160
Speaker 16: Who you know?

2742
02:35:11,320 --> 02:35:13,120
Speaker 5: Is that's the mystery? You know, maybe we disappeared for

2743
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:13,400
Speaker 5: a while.

2744
02:35:13,400 --> 02:35:15,200
Speaker 1: And are you Are you sick of it all?

2745
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:16,760
Speaker 5: I mean, it is.

2746
02:35:16,920 --> 02:35:19,160
Speaker 16: It is quite a challenge. It is a lot of work,

2747
02:35:19,360 --> 02:35:20,840
Speaker 16: but I really don't give myself a chance to take

2748
02:35:20,840 --> 02:35:22,800
Speaker 16: a break. So it's like a forced break, you know.

2749
02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:23,160
Speaker 5: What I mean.

2750
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:25,720
Speaker 16: I'm forcing myself to take a break. I'll plan and

2751
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,240
Speaker 16: take a break off the c J one. But I

2752
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:30,320
Speaker 16: got a bit too excited in Columbia. Didn't disappear from

2753
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:31,120
Speaker 16: socials for a while.

2754
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:33,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's so funny. I've been going to Columbia

2755
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:36,080
Speaker 4: for almost fifteen years. My wife is from from there.

2756
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:37,480
Speaker 5: I love the clarification there.

2757
02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a passport.

2758
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:41,640
Speaker 5: He's there for the coaching.

2759
02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:42,959
Speaker 3: Well, I was just.

2760
02:35:42,879 --> 02:35:46,080
Speaker 4: Gonna say, I remember I saw you, So it's so funny.

2761
02:35:46,120 --> 02:35:48,840
Speaker 4: I went to Carta Hannah once and then you went

2762
02:35:48,959 --> 02:35:52,520
Speaker 4: like right after the first CJI memory, sir, So I

2763
02:35:52,600 --> 02:35:54,720
Speaker 4: was actually I was actually in Carto Hannah, I think

2764
02:35:55,040 --> 02:35:57,400
Speaker 4: right right around that time, and then you went after me.

2765
02:35:58,080 --> 02:35:59,320
Speaker 4: And then I saw some of the places you were

2766
02:35:59,320 --> 02:36:00,920
Speaker 4: hanging out. I could I could.

2767
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:02,800
Speaker 1: Spot them all almostly almost, But then.

2768
02:36:02,680 --> 02:36:06,199
Speaker 4: I saw you were downtown and you had armed security,

2769
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:09,120
Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, we're having different experiences in

2770
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:10,600
Speaker 4: Cartagena at this point.

2771
02:36:10,879 --> 02:36:13,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, And honestly I probably needed it. With what man

2772
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:14,920
Speaker 16: we would drawn a lot of attention to ourselves. The

2773
02:36:15,080 --> 02:36:19,320
Speaker 16: armed security for what we were doing probably necessary, just

2774
02:36:19,360 --> 02:36:20,440
Speaker 16: that level of uh.

2775
02:36:22,040 --> 02:36:23,680
Speaker 5: To the wind on the Columbia Straits.

2776
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:25,480
Speaker 4: You know what's so funny you bring this up because

2777
02:36:25,480 --> 02:36:27,520
Speaker 4: people always ask me, like, what are you recommendations for Columbia,

2778
02:36:27,560 --> 02:36:28,600
Speaker 4: But like I did, I didn't.

2779
02:36:28,680 --> 02:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Well, here's the truth. I didn't realize how if you

2780
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:34,240
Speaker 1: travel to.

2781
02:36:34,280 --> 02:36:38,400
Speaker 4: Columbia with somebody from there and they kind of guide

2782
02:36:38,440 --> 02:36:40,400
Speaker 4: you and keep you off of that like, you can

2783
02:36:40,440 --> 02:36:44,160
Speaker 4: have a great experience, but it's very careful I didn't

2784
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:46,760
Speaker 4: realize how careful my in laws were being and taking

2785
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:49,120
Speaker 4: care of me there. And then I see these like

2786
02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:52,760
Speaker 4: stories from other people who go and they're like, X

2787
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:53,240
Speaker 4: happened to me?

2788
02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:55,720
Speaker 1: Why happened to me? You got the bludundungga, didn't you

2789
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:57,199
Speaker 1: the scopel.

2790
02:36:56,879 --> 02:36:59,440
Speaker 16: Me and like, the yeah, I did get drugged in,

2791
02:37:00,320 --> 02:37:02,640
Speaker 16: was not the one that druged myself in that situation.

2792
02:37:02,720 --> 02:37:03,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that.

2793
02:37:03,320 --> 02:37:07,720
Speaker 16: Shit's brutal. Honestly, that's like anesthetic. I couldn't remember anything.

2794
02:37:07,800 --> 02:37:10,640
Speaker 1: But it happened to my wife's uncle.

2795
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:12,640
Speaker 4: They got him and they emptied out his ATM, and

2796
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:14,280
Speaker 4: they emptied out part of his apartment too.

2797
02:37:14,520 --> 02:37:14,760
Speaker 1: Shit.

2798
02:37:14,879 --> 02:37:16,520
Speaker 16: I always thought, you know what a part of me

2799
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:18,080
Speaker 16: because I watched the old b stuck. I always just

2800
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:19,680
Speaker 16: think it was It's a bit of a myth, you know.

2801
02:37:19,720 --> 02:37:22,640
Speaker 16: It's the husband that goes, oh shit, I spent all

2802
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:23,320
Speaker 16: the money last night.

2803
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:25,160
Speaker 5: I must have been robbed. It must have been drugs,

2804
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:26,800
Speaker 5: you know. But yeah, it happens to the best of us.

2805
02:37:26,840 --> 02:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Also, I've never been to Metagene, but I heard that's

2806
02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:31,720
Speaker 1: like the epicenter of gringos getting their ship taken.

2807
02:37:32,120 --> 02:37:32,760
Speaker 5: That's for sure.

2808
02:37:32,840 --> 02:37:37,959
Speaker 16: Yeah, there are some men aiming for women above their

2809
02:37:37,959 --> 02:37:40,199
Speaker 16: pay grade in those regions, and I think that cost

2810
02:37:40,280 --> 02:37:43,600
Speaker 16: them in the long run. But yeah, I mean menaging beautiful,

2811
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:45,959
Speaker 16: like in terms of like city views and stuff. Like

2812
02:37:46,440 --> 02:37:48,840
Speaker 16: we stayed in the airbnb got I was there for

2813
02:37:48,879 --> 02:37:51,080
Speaker 16: six weeks. I just stayed there till I got drugged

2814
02:37:51,080 --> 02:37:52,840
Speaker 16: and I was like, we better get.

2815
02:37:52,680 --> 02:37:53,120
Speaker 5: Out of here.

2816
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:57,080
Speaker 16: But yeah, medagine beautiful city. I mean, if you're smart,

2817
02:37:57,320 --> 02:38:00,720
Speaker 16: you can avoid the trouble. Honestly, it's pretty I think

2818
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:03,840
Speaker 16: it's pretty obvious that's where that trouble lies, you know,

2819
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:05,119
Speaker 16: But great time.

2820
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough. I'll getting back to this about what

2821
02:38:07,160 --> 02:38:09,840
Speaker 4: you're going to do. Are we only going to see

2822
02:38:09,879 --> 02:38:15,640
Speaker 4: you when you corner like VULK or j DM or honestly.

2823
02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:17,400
Speaker 16: I honestly don't know. I like, I'm just focused on

2824
02:38:17,440 --> 02:38:19,560
Speaker 16: c J and then just having a forced break. If

2825
02:38:19,560 --> 02:38:22,360
Speaker 16: I feel the need to come back, I'll come back.

2826
02:38:22,400 --> 02:38:25,279
Speaker 16: But yeah, that's it, basically.

2827
02:38:24,840 --> 02:38:26,000
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with your life if you

2828
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:26,600
Speaker 1: don't come back?

2829
02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:29,000
Speaker 16: I mean, I feel like that's the question most people

2830
02:38:29,040 --> 02:38:31,240
Speaker 16: ask every morning anyway, and you pretend they have the answers.

2831
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but those are we're all on traditional paths. Yours

2832
02:38:34,360 --> 02:38:35,440
Speaker 4: is a little bit more unusual.

2833
02:38:36,120 --> 02:38:36,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

2834
02:38:36,879 --> 02:38:38,680
Speaker 16: I don't know what we'll do afterwards, but I think

2835
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:41,680
Speaker 16: actually we've built a Guardian project and we're just finishing

2836
02:38:41,720 --> 02:38:42,640
Speaker 16: building a school in Peru.

2837
02:38:42,760 --> 02:38:45,080
Speaker 5: So probably laylo in Peru, and you.

2838
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:48,039
Speaker 1: Gotta be careful and security is real, that's true.

2839
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:50,600
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean it's a dangerous place, still be dangerous

2840
02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:52,520
Speaker 16: of having a good time. But yeah, I want to see,

2841
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,800
Speaker 16: like we put a lot of money from c JI

2842
02:38:55,000 --> 02:38:57,680
Speaker 16: one and the planned profits of c j I two

2843
02:38:57,720 --> 02:39:00,840
Speaker 16: into building a school in the northwest to Peru. So

2844
02:39:00,840 --> 02:39:03,359
Speaker 16: we build the school for the kids over that Godian Project.

2845
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:06,320
Speaker 16: Incredible project at schools all around the world. We just

2846
02:39:06,400 --> 02:39:08,920
Speaker 16: visited the one in Baltimore. But yeah, they do a

2847
02:39:08,920 --> 02:39:11,840
Speaker 16: lot for teaching underprivileged kids. You did to and we'd

2848
02:39:11,879 --> 02:39:15,080
Speaker 16: just like build a facility for him because the school

2849
02:39:15,080 --> 02:39:16,560
Speaker 16: improved sort of reached capacity.

2850
02:39:16,920 --> 02:39:18,759
Speaker 5: So I do a lot of fun programs.

2851
02:39:18,280 --> 02:39:20,879
Speaker 16: Like if the kids train, they get they get meals,

2852
02:39:20,920 --> 02:39:22,520
Speaker 16: they get English lessons and stuff like that, and then

2853
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:26,879
Speaker 16: obviously get the benefits of jiu jitsu itself, discipline, self reliance.

2854
02:39:27,720 --> 02:39:29,080
Speaker 1: Is this your first time in Baltimore?

2855
02:39:29,879 --> 02:39:32,039
Speaker 16: First time in Baltimore. Yeah, I thought I was expect

2856
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:34,640
Speaker 16: as I watched the wire, but I don't know. I

2857
02:39:34,680 --> 02:39:36,280
Speaker 16: feel like I stood out in the car down man.

2858
02:39:36,360 --> 02:39:40,000
Speaker 16: But I got a lot of respect from uh old people.

2859
02:39:40,400 --> 02:39:43,199
Speaker 4: I would imagine that that car was popular in Baltimore

2860
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:43,840
Speaker 4: city limits.

2861
02:39:43,959 --> 02:39:45,800
Speaker 5: I haven't been put over yet, I think.

2862
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:48,160
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think obviously they see the car, the cops

2863
02:39:48,200 --> 02:39:49,320
Speaker 16: and they see it's driving anything.

2864
02:39:50,040 --> 02:39:51,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, a bit of profile.

2865
02:39:52,360 --> 02:39:54,959
Speaker 4: I will tell you my first thought when I saw

2866
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:57,160
Speaker 4: the video yesterday. First I was very well produced.

2867
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:00,640
Speaker 5: But that aside, I actually edited them myself. Shut the

2868
02:40:00,680 --> 02:40:02,400
Speaker 5: fuck out, Yeah.

2869
02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:03,560
Speaker 1: You do, Okay.

2870
02:40:04,920 --> 02:40:06,959
Speaker 4: I was gonna say what really stood out to me

2871
02:40:06,959 --> 02:40:11,040
Speaker 4: about it was how worried should I be about the

2872
02:40:11,080 --> 02:40:12,800
Speaker 4: future of jiu jitsu? Here's what I mean, not so

2873
02:40:12,879 --> 02:40:19,600
Speaker 4: much its popularity as such, but you're the only guy

2874
02:40:19,640 --> 02:40:24,680
Speaker 4: I can see vocally making a case for basic labor

2875
02:40:24,760 --> 02:40:28,640
Speaker 4: right slash financial literacy. And if you take a break,

2876
02:40:28,879 --> 02:40:32,040
Speaker 4: I don't know who else does that in the space.

2877
02:40:32,320 --> 02:40:36,160
Speaker 4: And for that reason, what happens in your absence, Like

2878
02:40:36,200 --> 02:40:38,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I realized it's not all on you. I'm

2879
02:40:38,400 --> 02:40:42,280
Speaker 4: just saying you would leave a vacuum in place that

2880
02:40:42,320 --> 02:40:43,800
Speaker 4: I don't think would be easily filled.

2881
02:40:44,840 --> 02:40:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's the mission with CJL.

2882
02:40:47,879 --> 02:40:48,879
Speaker 5: I was really to like.

2883
02:40:50,480 --> 02:40:52,480
Speaker 16: Help the athletes out you know, give back, Like I think,

2884
02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:56,760
Speaker 16: like I've been blessed by people being very forgiving of

2885
02:40:56,879 --> 02:40:58,720
Speaker 16: my human just for being Australian. So I've been able

2886
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,880
Speaker 16: to get away with a lot on social media. I

2887
02:41:00,879 --> 02:41:02,160
Speaker 16: feel like a lot of the times people see what

2888
02:41:02,200 --> 02:41:03,480
Speaker 16: I post and they just see the good in.

2889
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:04,160
Speaker 5: It, you know what I mean.

2890
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:09,160
Speaker 16: They ignore a lot of the dark undertones of those posts.

2891
02:41:09,160 --> 02:41:11,520
Speaker 16: But that helps me build a profile on the sport.

2892
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:13,160
Speaker 16: That's helped me be able to make money for myself.

2893
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:16,879
Speaker 16: So I know the challenges athletes have of like trying

2894
02:41:16,879 --> 02:41:18,760
Speaker 16: to make money for themselves and really not to be

2895
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:22,000
Speaker 16: used by promoters out there. So I really wanted to

2896
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:23,959
Speaker 16: provide them an alternative, and I think I set the

2897
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:26,360
Speaker 16: grounds for it. I mean, it's still a pretty damn

2898
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:28,840
Speaker 16: good chance we do CGI three unless we read a

2899
02:41:28,879 --> 02:41:30,520
Speaker 16: massive loss on I.

2900
02:41:30,480 --> 02:41:33,560
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, it sounds like there's not a guarantee

2901
02:41:33,560 --> 02:41:35,280
Speaker 4: at all that there will be a CGI three.

2902
02:41:35,320 --> 02:41:37,160
Speaker 1: There could be, but it's not.

2903
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:40,359
Speaker 16: Yeah, I wouldn't say there's any guarantees like I mean, honestly,

2904
02:41:41,080 --> 02:41:42,840
Speaker 16: it's not obviously some of my money. I wish it

2905
02:41:42,879 --> 02:41:45,080
Speaker 16: was my money. I do wish it was my money,

2906
02:41:45,080 --> 02:41:47,000
Speaker 16: but I've never won a million dollars in jiu jitsu.

2907
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:51,840
Speaker 16: But the investments there for a CGI three. But obviously

2908
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,520
Speaker 16: the measure of success for me is how interested people

2909
02:41:56,560 --> 02:41:59,000
Speaker 16: are in the event, how engaged they are, how many

2910
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:02,640
Speaker 16: people show up to the event. So for my it's

2911
02:42:02,680 --> 02:42:04,520
Speaker 16: my friend's money, so I don't want to just waste

2912
02:42:04,600 --> 02:42:06,440
Speaker 16: his money. He has a lot of money to waste.

2913
02:42:06,520 --> 02:42:09,520
Speaker 16: But at the same time, like if the interest isn't there,

2914
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:11,480
Speaker 16: it is what it is. You know, we gave it

2915
02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:13,440
Speaker 16: a good crack. I think we elevated the sport with

2916
02:42:13,480 --> 02:42:16,959
Speaker 16: CJI one CJI two using the quintet style team's format.

2917
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:19,680
Speaker 16: I think people are just going to be amazed at

2918
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:24,039
Speaker 16: how exciting and grappling can be. No doubt if there

2919
02:42:24,120 --> 02:42:27,400
Speaker 16: is no CJI three, UFC will still CGI two's format.

2920
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:30,680
Speaker 16: Pretty wrong with that next year, But they should they

2921
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:33,840
Speaker 16: owe me some consulting fees. Honestly, I hear they pay well.

2922
02:42:33,959 --> 02:42:36,720
Speaker 16: But CJI three I'll come back. I mean, if this

2923
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:38,240
Speaker 16: is one needs me, I'll come back, but I think

2924
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:40,039
Speaker 16: the sport's will be okay, we'll let it.

2925
02:42:40,040 --> 02:42:40,720
Speaker 5: Ride, right.

2926
02:42:42,440 --> 02:42:45,720
Speaker 4: I don't know, do you what level of concern do

2927
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:48,279
Speaker 4: you have that the UC will be able to monopolize sports.

2928
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:51,840
Speaker 16: Jug just so, I mean, the problem is is that,

2929
02:42:51,959 --> 02:42:56,000
Speaker 16: like like what you said about explained like labor rights.

2930
02:42:56,080 --> 02:42:57,560
Speaker 5: So it's like the best YouTube.

2931
02:42:57,240 --> 02:42:59,200
Speaker 16: Comment I've read on my series so far, as it's

2932
02:42:59,240 --> 02:43:03,720
Speaker 16: like Craig is slowly going insane explaining labor rights to Gabeman.

2933
02:43:04,120 --> 02:43:05,600
Speaker 5: And that's the most accurate.

2934
02:43:05,959 --> 02:43:08,440
Speaker 1: The financial literacy among the athletes in this business is

2935
02:43:09,400 --> 02:43:09,960
Speaker 1: it's not high.

2936
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:10,640
Speaker 5: It's not high.

2937
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:12,560
Speaker 16: And you know what, even the people in the sport

2938
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:14,680
Speaker 16: that are at the top that you think are intelligent.

2939
02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:16,680
Speaker 16: Obviously we're not talking about the best of the best here,

2940
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:19,640
Speaker 16: but there are elite level athletes. One of them in particular,

2941
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:23,480
Speaker 16: who was signed to not UFC, but he was signed

2942
02:43:23,480 --> 02:43:27,600
Speaker 16: to an organization previous that generally have some pretty strict contracts.

2943
02:43:27,640 --> 02:43:28,800
Speaker 16: I remember I was trying to get him to do

2944
02:43:29,040 --> 02:43:33,400
Speaker 16: CJI one and I said, well, what does your contract say?

2945
02:43:33,720 --> 02:43:36,480
Speaker 16: And this is a guy that studied law. I believe

2946
02:43:36,480 --> 02:43:39,640
Speaker 16: his sister's a lawyer, and he's like I didn't read

2947
02:43:39,640 --> 02:43:42,080
Speaker 16: the contract. I just signed it, Jesus. So like when

2948
02:43:42,280 --> 02:43:43,960
Speaker 16: when some of the elite level guys, even the guys

2949
02:43:43,959 --> 02:43:46,160
Speaker 16: at the top of the sport, don't read contracts.

2950
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:50,560
Speaker 5: I think that's almost unsalvagable, Jesus.

2951
02:43:50,840 --> 02:43:52,360
Speaker 4: I'm not even sure what to say about that. Can

2952
02:43:52,400 --> 02:43:54,959
Speaker 4: I tell you I have a fear about it? Let

2953
02:43:55,000 --> 02:43:56,640
Speaker 4: me give you a theories. What do you think about this? Yeah,

2954
02:43:56,640 --> 02:43:59,000
Speaker 4: I'm ready, all right, So I don't know if you

2955
02:43:59,000 --> 02:44:01,640
Speaker 4: saw this. I mean, there's other there are other factors

2956
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:06,119
Speaker 4: I could point to that would buttress this. But certainly

2957
02:44:06,160 --> 02:44:08,120
Speaker 4: the UFC is going to sign let's talk about the

2958
02:44:08,200 --> 02:44:10,160
Speaker 4: MA side. So on the UFC side of MMA, I

2959
02:44:10,160 --> 02:44:12,000
Speaker 4: mean I say UFC, I mean TKO. But on the

2960
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 4: UFC side, they're about to sign a new television deal,

2961
02:44:14,600 --> 02:44:16,240
Speaker 4: and certainly for the life of that deal, it's going

2962
02:44:16,280 --> 02:44:19,080
Speaker 4: to be extremely lucrative, potentially up to a billion dollars

2963
02:44:19,080 --> 02:44:21,440
Speaker 4: a year. Right, So, like they're fine in that sense,

2964
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:24,560
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of broader data that indicates MMA

2965
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:26,480
Speaker 4: is in decline. And one of the things that came

2966
02:44:26,520 --> 02:44:29,000
Speaker 4: out interestingly was there was some data from Typology.

2967
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:30,959
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've used the website before.

2968
02:44:30,959 --> 02:44:34,320
Speaker 4: The amount of global MMA events is steadily declining year

2969
02:44:34,360 --> 02:44:37,400
Speaker 4: over year, including in USA, Brazil, and Russia, the top

2970
02:44:37,400 --> 02:44:40,160
Speaker 4: three markets. Now there are some differences there. Japan's on

2971
02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:42,039
Speaker 4: the up, Europe certainly on the op. I'm not sure

2972
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:46,440
Speaker 4: where Australia fits into the conversation, but you know, it's

2973
02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:48,600
Speaker 4: not a great sign. And of course, you know, if

2974
02:44:48,600 --> 02:44:50,480
Speaker 4: anybody who works in this business knows that the numbers

2975
02:44:50,480 --> 02:44:52,959
Speaker 4: are done more broadly. But then you look at what

2976
02:44:52,959 --> 02:44:55,520
Speaker 4: they're doing in boxing. They're trying to get the portion

2977
02:44:55,600 --> 02:44:57,360
Speaker 4: of the ALI actim ended so that they can get

2978
02:44:57,400 --> 02:45:01,039
Speaker 4: their own titles put in, which is currently really fucking illegal.

2979
02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:03,320
Speaker 4: They want to like just rip out federal portions of

2980
02:45:03,360 --> 02:45:06,600
Speaker 4: federal legislation. And now they're getting into BJJ. It looks

2981
02:45:06,600 --> 02:45:09,400
Speaker 4: to me like they kind of see where MMA is headed,

2982
02:45:09,440 --> 02:45:10,959
Speaker 4: that they will they will be able to control it

2983
02:45:11,000 --> 02:45:12,840
Speaker 4: and be lucrative, but it will the pile will shrink.

2984
02:45:13,360 --> 02:45:16,359
Speaker 4: Why not just expand the reach they already have WWE,

2985
02:45:16,400 --> 02:45:18,800
Speaker 4: they already have UFC. If they can take over with

2986
02:45:18,879 --> 02:45:21,440
Speaker 4: svving money boxing, great and then of course BJ is

2987
02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:25,160
Speaker 4: you would think relative to those things there for the taking,

2988
02:45:25,240 --> 02:45:28,640
Speaker 4: and this would consolidate their position relative to declines in MMA.

2989
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:30,520
Speaker 1: What do you make of this idea of mine?

2990
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:31,360
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think the.

2991
02:45:31,400 --> 02:45:34,240
Speaker 16: US has been in a better position to fight against

2992
02:45:34,280 --> 02:45:38,039
Speaker 16: corruption and monopolies than it has right now today.

2993
02:45:39,640 --> 02:45:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

2994
02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:45,720
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah.

2995
02:45:45,800 --> 02:45:48,440
Speaker 16: I mean that's the thing, right is, like I think

2996
02:45:48,920 --> 02:45:51,240
Speaker 16: they can do it and there would be no consequences

2997
02:45:51,280 --> 02:45:53,279
Speaker 16: to it. So it's like it's quite an appeal battle

2998
02:45:53,320 --> 02:45:57,600
Speaker 16: in that sense, you know, Like I don't think the

2999
02:45:57,640 --> 02:46:00,800
Speaker 16: monopoly lewis are going to be implemented, you know what

3000
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:02,480
Speaker 16: I mean. I didn't think there's going to be any pushback.

3001
02:46:02,480 --> 02:46:05,040
Speaker 16: And obviously that was a big settlement case recently, but

3002
02:46:05,080 --> 02:46:06,760
Speaker 16: I think that took like ten years.

3003
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Did it take ten years? Yes? Well, though there's new ones.

3004
02:46:08,840 --> 02:46:09,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of that.

3005
02:46:10,280 --> 02:46:11,480
Speaker 5: Yeah. I did speak to that lawyer.

3006
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:13,760
Speaker 16: That lawyer did reach out to me, we did, Yeah, yeah,

3007
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:17,200
Speaker 16: so I spoke to him briefly, nothing serious, but yeah,

3008
02:46:17,240 --> 02:46:19,720
Speaker 16: I spoke to him Eric Eric, Yeah, the main guy,

3009
02:46:19,720 --> 02:46:20,440
Speaker 16: the main I forget.

3010
02:46:20,840 --> 02:46:21,279
Speaker 5: I forget.

3011
02:46:21,520 --> 02:46:22,480
Speaker 1: Well, there's there's two different walk.

3012
02:46:22,680 --> 02:46:26,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, the three hundred and thirty million dollars settlement.

3013
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, three hundred and seventy five, so they bumped it

3014
02:46:27,600 --> 02:46:28,039
Speaker 1: up a little bit.

3015
02:46:28,120 --> 02:46:30,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I spoke to him.

3016
02:46:30,400 --> 02:46:33,840
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean obviously, like I have quite a negative

3017
02:46:33,959 --> 02:46:39,280
Speaker 16: view on the direction of sort corruption overall, I think

3018
02:46:39,720 --> 02:46:43,640
Speaker 16: in the country generally, so it's like we would be

3019
02:46:43,640 --> 02:46:45,360
Speaker 16: fighting enough, too bad. But I think in terms of

3020
02:46:45,400 --> 02:46:49,120
Speaker 16: like what you're saying about declining viewership across the board

3021
02:46:49,160 --> 02:46:52,680
Speaker 16: in MM, I just think it's less it's less interesting now.

3022
02:46:52,760 --> 02:46:57,520
Speaker 16: Like what I really appreciated about Japanese MMA was the show.

3023
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:58,640
Speaker 5: The show they put on.

3024
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:01,920
Speaker 16: Even recently when we were watch the Boxing Fire where

3025
02:47:01,959 --> 02:47:04,440
Speaker 16: the dads the dad's for and then their sons fought,

3026
02:47:04,760 --> 02:47:07,080
Speaker 16: and like the production level of that in Britain.

3027
02:47:06,879 --> 02:47:10,519
Speaker 5: So yeah, absolutely it was insane credible.

3028
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:12,800
Speaker 16: So much effort, even like what the UFC did when

3029
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:15,320
Speaker 16: they had the event of this sphere, Like I think

3030
02:47:15,400 --> 02:47:19,720
Speaker 16: all those little things really help get people excited, like

3031
02:47:19,720 --> 02:47:22,240
Speaker 16: it's you're actually seeing something incredible. But like the problem

3032
02:47:22,320 --> 02:47:26,160
Speaker 16: is they've got such a a good formula for profit

3033
02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:29,280
Speaker 16: that there's really not a lot of creative effort put

3034
02:47:29,360 --> 02:47:30,440
Speaker 16: into the production side.

3035
02:47:30,280 --> 02:47:33,280
Speaker 5: Of things, or really even the storytelling.

3036
02:47:33,320 --> 02:47:35,520
Speaker 16: Like I mean even like to be honest, the Countdown

3037
02:47:35,560 --> 02:47:38,160
Speaker 16: show is kind of pretty boring, pretty cookie cutter, you know.

3038
02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:40,360
Speaker 16: Like I remember back in the day, like when BJPM

3039
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:44,199
Speaker 16: fought GSP in the rematch, like those previous shows even

3040
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:46,520
Speaker 16: I think that was called prime time Prime Time. Yeah,

3041
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:49,000
Speaker 16: Like the production level on those that they took chances

3042
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:50,959
Speaker 16: there was there was a lot of creative energy put in.

3043
02:47:51,240 --> 02:47:53,720
Speaker 5: They felt like they cared a lot about it.

3044
02:47:54,080 --> 02:47:56,760
Speaker 16: I feel like when that starts to diminish at the top,

3045
02:47:57,280 --> 02:47:59,320
Speaker 16: it's going to translate.

3046
02:47:58,959 --> 02:48:00,280
Speaker 5: To interest in the sport, right.

3047
02:48:01,879 --> 02:48:04,200
Speaker 4: I have a theory my sister and my brother used

3048
02:48:04,240 --> 02:48:06,320
Speaker 4: to they do not anymore if they close it up,

3049
02:48:06,360 --> 02:48:09,520
Speaker 4: But they used to own a restaurant. And I remember

3050
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:12,240
Speaker 4: I came back from Spain one time. You've been in Spain, yep, yeah, yeah,

3051
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:14,480
Speaker 4: I love Spain. And I remember you go into these

3052
02:48:14,520 --> 02:48:16,480
Speaker 4: restaurants and they would be like the size of this room,

3053
02:48:16,760 --> 02:48:18,520
Speaker 4: and you'd be like, but the food would be just

3054
02:48:18,640 --> 02:48:21,680
Speaker 4: fire everywhere you went. And they explained to me, like

3055
02:48:21,720 --> 02:48:24,800
Speaker 4: it's not a coincidence that that, like, the more food

3056
02:48:24,879 --> 02:48:27,400
Speaker 4: you have to prep each day and deliver each day,

3057
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:30,040
Speaker 4: the harder it becomes to do, which is why banquet

3058
02:48:30,080 --> 02:48:33,560
Speaker 4: food is like, it's not bad, but it's it's assembly line,

3059
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:36,240
Speaker 4: it's formulaic, just feels a little bit like MMA is

3060
02:48:36,280 --> 02:48:38,039
Speaker 4: kind of like banquet food right now.

3061
02:48:37,959 --> 02:48:39,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I think.

3062
02:48:39,160 --> 02:48:40,680
Speaker 16: I mean, like I've see, if you get off a

3063
02:48:40,760 --> 02:48:44,800
Speaker 16: lucrative contracts and you have to deliver a certain amount

3064
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:47,119
Speaker 16: of shows, and you're going to have to split those

3065
02:48:47,160 --> 02:48:50,119
Speaker 16: interesting flights up over the course of the show. Obviously,

3066
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:52,000
Speaker 16: depending on the athlete, they're going to be able to

3067
02:48:52,080 --> 02:48:54,720
Speaker 16: fight more and get paid potentially more four more flights.

3068
02:48:54,879 --> 02:48:57,240
Speaker 5: But I do miss the.

3069
02:48:57,240 --> 02:48:59,480
Speaker 16: Days when it was like one paper of view a month,

3070
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:01,360
Speaker 16: almost going crazy hype.

3071
02:49:01,440 --> 02:49:02,800
Speaker 5: The whole thing was stacked, you know.

3072
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:05,040
Speaker 16: But I mean maybe that's me just for reminiscing, but

3073
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:07,120
Speaker 16: I do agree with what you're saying here, and that's

3074
02:49:07,240 --> 02:49:08,760
Speaker 16: I mean, that's why I only want to do CJI

3075
02:49:08,840 --> 02:49:11,680
Speaker 16: once a year, Like it's like one super Bowl event

3076
02:49:11,800 --> 02:49:13,920
Speaker 16: per year that wouldn't interfere with any other events.

3077
02:49:14,320 --> 02:49:16,080
Speaker 5: It's a chance for the athletes to make money.

3078
02:49:16,280 --> 02:49:18,480
Speaker 16: It's not behind a pay well, it shouldn't conflict with

3079
02:49:18,520 --> 02:49:20,880
Speaker 16: other organizations. If their athletes do well, that's going to

3080
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:23,440
Speaker 16: make their athlete more valuable to them. But on the

3081
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:26,160
Speaker 16: counter to that, the athlete could get hurt, the athlete

3082
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:28,440
Speaker 16: could win that million dollars and be like, hey, bump

3083
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:29,920
Speaker 16: the paycheck up, you know what I mean. So like

3084
02:49:30,040 --> 02:49:35,320
Speaker 16: CGI by providing leverage to the individual athletes is really

3085
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:37,959
Speaker 16: I think a scary thing for anyone that would try

3086
02:49:37,959 --> 02:49:38,920
Speaker 16: to control an industry.

3087
02:49:39,280 --> 02:49:41,600
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the tory you're on. So obviously, like

3088
02:49:41,640 --> 02:49:43,800
Speaker 4: you started in New York. Yep, did you go to

3089
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:44,440
Speaker 4: Philly at all?

3090
02:49:45,240 --> 02:49:46,840
Speaker 5: On the outskirts of Philly? Where do we go? We

3091
02:49:46,879 --> 02:49:49,039
Speaker 5: when New York to Atlantic City?

3092
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:52,200
Speaker 1: That's the land that time for god, holy shit, we're

3093
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:53,280
Speaker 1: trying to go like Hunter S.

3094
02:49:53,320 --> 02:49:56,720
Speaker 16: Thompson sort of vibes here on the campaign trail, right,

3095
02:49:56,720 --> 02:49:58,560
Speaker 16: So we're just trying to hit the hit a lot

3096
02:49:58,600 --> 02:49:59,640
Speaker 16: of obscure spots.

3097
02:49:59,640 --> 02:50:02,000
Speaker 5: I don't we know we're going after this today.

3098
02:50:02,240 --> 02:50:04,480
Speaker 16: I mean, we left the car and I think safe

3099
02:50:04,480 --> 02:50:07,680
Speaker 16: Hans the mechanics said that, have a look at it.

3100
02:50:08,879 --> 02:50:10,840
Speaker 16: But yeah, let's see. Maybe I was thinking about driving

3101
02:50:10,840 --> 02:50:12,880
Speaker 16: through West Virginia after this. But we're just winging it,

3102
02:50:12,920 --> 02:50:14,640
Speaker 16: like I call it a bit of a farewell to it.

3103
02:50:14,680 --> 02:50:16,920
Speaker 16: I just want to just pull up to gym's and

3104
02:50:16,959 --> 02:50:19,440
Speaker 16: train with the people, the real people in the country

3105
02:50:19,480 --> 02:50:22,960
Speaker 16: that are like don't generally have access. That's something I

3106
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:25,080
Speaker 16: really appreciate because when I came up on the sport

3107
02:50:25,560 --> 02:50:29,360
Speaker 16: Adelaide Australia, we didn't have too many high level guys bass.

3108
02:50:29,959 --> 02:50:31,440
Speaker 5: So it's always been in the back of my mind.

3109
02:50:31,440 --> 02:50:35,199
Speaker 16: It's like I try to visit destination so don't have access,

3110
02:50:35,360 --> 02:50:38,280
Speaker 16: like places like Venezuela, Like I try to hit these

3111
02:50:38,280 --> 02:50:40,320
Speaker 16: spots even Ukraine, try to train with the boys in

3112
02:50:40,440 --> 02:50:43,760
Speaker 16: Ukraine and stuff like that. So that's one way I'm

3113
02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:45,840
Speaker 16: trying to grow the sport at jiujitsu. It's just even

3114
02:50:46,480 --> 02:50:48,760
Speaker 16: just showing up, hanging out with them, rolling with them,

3115
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:49,360
Speaker 16: you know what I mean.

3116
02:50:50,120 --> 02:50:50,720
Speaker 5: It really helped.

3117
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:51,600
Speaker 1: Where's Lachland from?

3118
02:50:51,680 --> 02:50:55,119
Speaker 5: Giles Lachland's Melbourne born and raised, Still in Melbourne today.

3119
02:50:55,160 --> 02:50:56,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I didn't know. If I didn't, I don't.

3120
02:50:56,640 --> 02:50:59,640
Speaker 4: I'm not too familiar with like how the Aussie's split

3121
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:02,520
Speaker 4: out country. Where did you train here in DC yesterday?

3122
02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:03,800
Speaker 3: Oh?

3123
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:07,560
Speaker 16: Actually trained because the captain of the American team or

3124
02:51:07,560 --> 02:51:10,360
Speaker 16: the coaching the American team he's got called Greg Satis dude.

3125
02:51:10,440 --> 02:51:13,240
Speaker 1: I used to train under Greg souder. Oh really years ago,

3126
02:51:13,440 --> 02:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe I'm not even bullshing, maybe ten years ago.

3127
02:51:16,400 --> 02:51:18,320
Speaker 1: I like Greg a lot. I know it's the people

3128
02:51:18,440 --> 02:51:21,040
Speaker 1: get all over his case of a the ecological thing. Dude,

3129
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:23,520
Speaker 1: He's one of the fucking best instructors I've ever had. Like,

3130
02:51:23,560 --> 02:51:24,440
Speaker 1: no bullshit, Greg.

3131
02:51:25,360 --> 02:51:27,400
Speaker 4: He he left the school I was at, and I

3132
02:51:27,440 --> 02:51:29,800
Speaker 4: sent him a note even telling him how fucking good

3133
02:51:29,800 --> 02:51:31,480
Speaker 4: he was, because I was so bummed.

3134
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:33,240
Speaker 1: When I found out he left. So you were in

3135
02:51:33,280 --> 02:51:34,640
Speaker 1: what crazy eighty eight?

3136
02:51:35,280 --> 02:51:38,480
Speaker 16: No, he teaches now at oh Man. I should remember

3137
02:51:38,480 --> 02:51:43,400
Speaker 16: the name of the gym, Standard jiu Jitsu out in Maryland, Maryland. Yeah, yeah,

3138
02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:47,160
Speaker 16: I think. Yeah, But he's got two guys in his

3139
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:50,000
Speaker 16: team from his gym, the Brothers. So we went down there.

3140
02:51:50,160 --> 02:51:52,640
Speaker 16: I rolled with him ten minutes age that was enough

3141
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:56,280
Speaker 16: for me. The cardio was was absent, but yeah, we

3142
02:51:56,320 --> 02:51:58,800
Speaker 16: just checked in with him, watched him, watched him how

3143
02:51:58,840 --> 02:52:00,280
Speaker 16: he runs the room, you know, Like I think a

3144
02:52:00,280 --> 02:52:00,480
Speaker 16: lot of.

3145
02:52:00,440 --> 02:52:03,520
Speaker 5: People get caught up in his aggressive interview energy.

3146
02:52:03,560 --> 02:52:07,240
Speaker 16: But yeah, a lovely guy from my experience, and he

3147
02:52:07,280 --> 02:52:10,520
Speaker 16: has a good heart, Like he's trying to change the

3148
02:52:10,560 --> 02:52:13,240
Speaker 16: sport of jiu jitsu through the way he coaches, and

3149
02:52:13,280 --> 02:52:15,440
Speaker 16: like from everything I can say, he's running it like

3150
02:52:15,440 --> 02:52:18,320
Speaker 16: a professional wrestling room, like a practice round. It's a

3151
02:52:18,400 --> 02:52:21,600
Speaker 16: room for practice, so it's like there's a little marketing

3152
02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:23,440
Speaker 16: in there, right, like no drilling and stuff like that.

3153
02:52:23,480 --> 02:52:24,680
Speaker 16: But yeah, at the end of the day, I think

3154
02:52:25,080 --> 02:52:26,200
Speaker 16: he's hots in the rap plast.

3155
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:27,920
Speaker 4: Well, when he was teaching at the time, this sumost

3156
02:52:27,959 --> 02:52:29,879
Speaker 4: have been going to I'm going to guess here circa

3157
02:52:29,920 --> 02:52:31,199
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen.

3158
02:52:30,879 --> 02:52:32,959
Speaker 1: Something like that. I could be wrong about that.

3159
02:52:33,640 --> 02:52:35,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if he had like what what we

3160
02:52:35,160 --> 02:52:38,200
Speaker 4: would call today an ecological approach, But just the first

3161
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:41,000
Speaker 4: time I ever trained with him, I remember thinking I'd

3162
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:44,560
Speaker 4: never had an instructor who we were doing guard passing

3163
02:52:44,560 --> 02:52:47,160
Speaker 4: in the gee how he could just connect all the

3164
02:52:47,200 --> 02:52:49,920
Speaker 4: dots through, like, well, here's what the objective is, here's

3165
02:52:49,920 --> 02:52:52,400
Speaker 4: what your assignment is to reach the objective.

3166
02:52:51,920 --> 02:52:52,520
Speaker 1: Here's why.

3167
02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:54,440
Speaker 4: And I remember being like, cause, do you go a

3168
02:52:54,480 --> 02:52:55,760
Speaker 4: lot of jiu jitsu schools and they're like, all right,

3169
02:52:55,760 --> 02:52:58,640
Speaker 4: we're going to train guilla teens today, you know what

3170
02:52:58,680 --> 02:52:59,000
Speaker 4: I mean?

3171
02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:01,000
Speaker 1: And they kind of mchann show you how it's.

3172
02:53:00,879 --> 02:53:03,200
Speaker 4: Done, but they don't really explain why things are the

3173
02:53:03,200 --> 02:53:06,920
Speaker 4: way they are. No, I thought he was fucking awesome.

3174
02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:07,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think.

3175
02:53:07,640 --> 02:53:10,400
Speaker 16: I mean, it's just go orientated training, right, and it's

3176
02:53:10,440 --> 02:53:13,640
Speaker 16: like a lot of people to be creative in the

3177
02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:16,400
Speaker 16: pursuit of the goal, whether that be a position or submission.

3178
02:53:16,400 --> 02:53:19,880
Speaker 16: So I think like any room with high level guys

3179
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:24,960
Speaker 16: that allows for creativity and discussion is going to deliver

3180
02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:28,640
Speaker 16: good students and coobay. DeAndre Corbet particular just one one

3181
02:53:28,680 --> 02:53:30,640
Speaker 16: hundred thousand dollars at Sapataria and beat some of the

3182
02:53:30,680 --> 02:53:32,480
Speaker 16: best guys in his white division in the sport.

3183
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:35,879
Speaker 5: So he's done on a very good job.

3184
02:53:35,920 --> 02:53:39,440
Speaker 1: But DeAndre Corbet, so you might go to West Virginia.

3185
02:53:39,480 --> 02:53:41,840
Speaker 4: So my understanding was from the plan, the plan was

3186
02:53:41,879 --> 02:53:43,200
Speaker 4: to basically hit the east coast.

3187
02:53:43,200 --> 02:53:46,359
Speaker 5: Do you know, I'm not a big plan guy, you know, Okay, intended.

3188
02:53:45,959 --> 02:53:48,920
Speaker 1: To plan was to hit the East coast right and

3189
02:53:48,959 --> 02:53:50,880
Speaker 1: then hit the west coast and at the end of

3190
02:53:50,920 --> 02:53:55,120
Speaker 1: the West coast run just essentially head into Vegas for CJI, Right,

3191
02:53:55,160 --> 02:53:57,400
Speaker 1: that's the plan. That's the plan, I see. Okay. So

3192
02:53:57,440 --> 02:53:58,840
Speaker 1: between that, so the plan is to hit are you

3193
02:53:58,840 --> 02:54:00,000
Speaker 1: going to go all the way down to Florida?

3194
02:54:00,280 --> 02:54:02,240
Speaker 16: Yeah, so I'm going to hit up flow grappling, have

3195
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:05,199
Speaker 16: an event who's number one and my boy Owen Joonce

3196
02:54:05,240 --> 02:54:07,680
Speaker 16: is committing HG and he group on that and that's

3197
02:54:07,720 --> 02:54:09,000
Speaker 16: some real interesting matchhouse.

3198
02:54:09,000 --> 02:54:11,040
Speaker 5: My buddy kit Dale's competing in the main event.

3199
02:54:11,160 --> 02:54:12,480
Speaker 1: Another Aussie pioneer.

3200
02:54:12,120 --> 02:54:14,000
Speaker 5: To another bloody Aussie.

3201
02:54:14,120 --> 02:54:16,279
Speaker 16: Now he's come out of he's basically come out of retirement,

3202
02:54:16,320 --> 02:54:18,240
Speaker 16: like he disappeared for a while, but now he's making

3203
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:19,600
Speaker 16: a run for it again. And he's always been one

3204
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:23,240
Speaker 16: of the most talented guys I've ever trained with. We

3205
02:54:23,280 --> 02:54:25,040
Speaker 16: actually competed against each other one time, but it was

3206
02:54:25,040 --> 02:54:27,959
Speaker 16: a bit of a fake match because we're friends. But yeah,

3207
02:54:27,959 --> 02:54:30,480
Speaker 16: he's phenomenal, so it's great to see him coming back.

3208
02:54:30,520 --> 02:54:32,600
Speaker 16: He actually did the CGI Trials in Australia and put

3209
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:35,120
Speaker 16: on a really, really good performance. And he was one

3210
02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:36,960
Speaker 16: of the guys I think paved the way he shaped

3211
02:54:37,000 --> 02:54:39,480
Speaker 16: me early in my career because he was being an

3212
02:54:39,480 --> 02:54:42,240
Speaker 16: idiot making stupid videos, funny videos and stuff like that,

3213
02:54:42,280 --> 02:54:45,680
Speaker 16: and I saw how that helped him transcend the regular

3214
02:54:45,760 --> 02:54:49,480
Speaker 16: sort of jiu jitsu field. He really helped him stand out,

3215
02:54:49,800 --> 02:54:51,360
Speaker 16: make money in the sport and stuff like that, So

3216
02:54:51,360 --> 02:54:54,520
Speaker 16: I would say Kid DW was very influential on sort

3217
02:54:54,520 --> 02:54:56,880
Speaker 16: of me being a professional idio myself.

3218
02:54:56,959 --> 02:54:58,960
Speaker 4: I remember him destimptly for two reasons. One, he got

3219
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:01,600
Speaker 4: his black belt very quickly. Yeah, and I think because

3220
02:55:01,600 --> 02:55:03,039
Speaker 4: he had some kind of at the time him.

3221
02:55:07,280 --> 02:55:09,039
Speaker 1: So that this is moneyburg I forget it. What's his

3222
02:55:09,080 --> 02:55:10,360
Speaker 1: first name, Derek? Derek.

3223
02:55:10,640 --> 02:55:12,200
Speaker 4: This is the guy who got his black belt in

3224
02:55:12,320 --> 02:55:13,920
Speaker 4: like literally what they say, three and a half years

3225
02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:14,800
Speaker 4: at forty six years old.

3226
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:16,039
Speaker 1: Motherfucker, I'm forty five.

3227
02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:18,360
Speaker 4: It hurts to nap on one side, like, I just

3228
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:21,680
Speaker 4: have a very hard time believing that that's even achievable,

3229
02:55:21,760 --> 02:55:25,359
Speaker 4: even for like a you know, uh Terrell Owens level athlete.

3230
02:55:25,360 --> 02:55:26,480
Speaker 1: But okay, go aside.

3231
02:55:26,600 --> 02:55:29,440
Speaker 4: And then the other part was to the funny videos.

3232
02:55:29,640 --> 02:55:31,280
Speaker 4: He made a foury into acting for a while. Kid

3233
02:55:31,360 --> 02:55:34,040
Speaker 4: Dale did, right, I recall that he did. His brother

3234
02:55:34,160 --> 02:55:36,320
Speaker 4: is actually like Quack a good director.

3235
02:55:36,480 --> 02:55:38,640
Speaker 16: His brothers like stood out in the directing field, so like,

3236
02:55:38,720 --> 02:55:41,400
Speaker 16: I think both of those guys have worked together alone.

3237
02:55:41,400 --> 02:55:44,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, Kid did have a bit of before you know.

3238
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:45,840
Speaker 4: What's so funny about this Tory roon? And it kind

3239
02:55:45,840 --> 02:55:47,360
Speaker 4: of occurred to me when you when I when I

3240
02:55:47,440 --> 02:55:48,760
Speaker 4: when I heard about it, I was like, dude, this

3241
02:55:48,760 --> 02:55:50,080
Speaker 4: sounds like a political campaign.

3242
02:55:50,320 --> 02:55:53,240
Speaker 5: That's the whole thing with like Hunter Unson on the campaign.

3243
02:55:53,280 --> 02:55:57,720
Speaker 4: Dude, just just handshaking people, grassroots, door to door. That's

3244
02:55:57,720 --> 02:55:58,400
Speaker 4: how it's done.

3245
02:55:58,840 --> 02:56:02,880
Speaker 5: Keepsing people's babies, as you know, that's my style. That

3246
02:56:02,959 --> 02:56:04,039
Speaker 5: is actually the jiu jitsu style.

3247
02:56:04,360 --> 02:56:07,119
Speaker 1: Sadly, yeah, no, oh god, that's a whole nother conversation.

3248
02:56:07,160 --> 02:56:08,720
Speaker 4: But like I gotta tell you, like, like you know,

3249
02:56:08,760 --> 02:56:10,680
Speaker 4: what's so funny about it, Like you clown jiu jitsu

3250
02:56:10,760 --> 02:56:12,880
Speaker 4: and you know, it's like I saw a video the

3251
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:14,400
Speaker 4: other day where we were talking. You were laughing at

3252
02:56:14,400 --> 02:56:16,480
Speaker 4: people at the team who like open mat on Sundays.

3253
02:56:16,480 --> 02:56:18,160
Speaker 4: They don't go home to their families, they got nothing

3254
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:20,240
Speaker 4: to do, and the whole keep jiu jitsu gay and stuff.

3255
02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:21,760
Speaker 4: But it's like, dude, at the end of the day,

3256
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:23,560
Speaker 4: like I don't know anybody who loves jiu jitsu more

3257
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:25,480
Speaker 4: than you, if I could be honest, Like the level

3258
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:30,119
Speaker 4: of care you're putting into safeguarding its future, it's quite

3259
02:56:30,200 --> 02:56:30,920
Speaker 4: quite remarkable.

3260
02:56:30,959 --> 02:56:33,160
Speaker 16: I'm trying to guide the koach as best I can

3261
02:56:33,280 --> 02:56:35,360
Speaker 16: because it is like it is.

3262
02:56:35,240 --> 02:56:37,199
Speaker 5: A painful it's a mutant culture.

3263
02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:40,200
Speaker 16: Brother people out there posting line quotes on Instagram and

3264
02:56:40,240 --> 02:56:40,840
Speaker 16: stuff like that.

3265
02:56:41,000 --> 02:56:43,360
Speaker 5: It's uh, it's wild, you know, let me need to

3266
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:43,840
Speaker 5: fix it.

3267
02:56:43,840 --> 02:56:47,440
Speaker 4: It's a lot of it's a lot of I feel

3268
02:56:47,480 --> 02:56:49,200
Speaker 4: like jiu jitsu is one of those places where like

3269
02:56:49,360 --> 02:56:53,080
Speaker 4: people who go, that's where they get social time, like

3270
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:56,400
Speaker 4: absent that they don't have a lot of social time.

3271
02:56:56,440 --> 02:56:59,400
Speaker 4: And I'm generalizing obviously, but it seems like that's your

3272
02:56:59,400 --> 02:57:00,240
Speaker 4: experience as well.

3273
02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:02,680
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's fair for sure. I mean, I mean the

3274
02:57:02,680 --> 02:57:05,440
Speaker 16: afteritude the trains probably has it nine to five. He

3275
02:57:05,480 --> 02:57:07,720
Speaker 16: has a family, so typically speaking of going to be

3276
02:57:07,760 --> 02:57:10,440
Speaker 16: trained in the morning or not so busy on the

3277
02:57:10,440 --> 02:57:12,480
Speaker 16: weekends with the family or work.

3278
02:57:12,560 --> 02:57:14,400
Speaker 5: So it's really yeah, that is pretty much for any

3279
02:57:14,400 --> 02:57:14,880
Speaker 5: social time.

3280
02:57:14,879 --> 02:57:17,400
Speaker 16: And I think it draws your way from other friends

3281
02:57:17,440 --> 02:57:19,920
Speaker 16: that don't train, because everyone's a bit competitive. They want

3282
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:21,240
Speaker 16: to get good, they want to put in the hours

3283
02:57:21,400 --> 02:57:23,800
Speaker 16: and beat up their training find its, so that does

3284
02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:24,879
Speaker 16: become their social circuit.

3285
02:57:24,879 --> 02:57:27,160
Speaker 5: It's kind of a code, uh.

3286
02:57:26,920 --> 02:57:29,040
Speaker 4: For cj I two. It's interesting, right, I want to

3287
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:30,600
Speaker 4: talk about the difference in the format, But the first

3288
02:57:30,640 --> 02:57:36,240
Speaker 4: thing was the CJI one was interesting because of how yeah,

3289
02:57:36,280 --> 02:57:38,760
Speaker 4: well the kiss was really quite remarkable, but no, it

3290
02:57:38,840 --> 02:57:42,680
Speaker 4: was so subversive because ADCC has been this established brand

3291
02:57:42,720 --> 02:57:44,160
Speaker 4: in the sport and then here comes c J.

3292
02:57:44,360 --> 02:57:46,280
Speaker 1: I same weekends are more or less sad. It was

3293
02:57:46,320 --> 02:57:47,520
Speaker 1: a slight difference, but you.

3294
02:57:47,520 --> 02:57:50,840
Speaker 4: Know, same same city, same weekend, Fuck your life, We're

3295
02:57:50,879 --> 02:57:52,440
Speaker 4: going to do it this way, and you know it

3296
02:57:52,480 --> 02:57:52,960
Speaker 4: was it was.

3297
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:54,320
Speaker 1: It was that. But you have no a d C

3298
02:57:54,440 --> 02:57:56,240
Speaker 1: C Backdrount this time. It's kind of a floating on

3299
02:57:56,280 --> 02:57:56,640
Speaker 1: its own.

3300
02:57:56,680 --> 02:58:01,320
Speaker 4: Obviously, I wonder has that created more challenges because you

3301
02:58:01,360 --> 02:58:04,959
Speaker 4: have less of a villain to antagonize for sure.

3302
02:58:05,080 --> 02:58:06,879
Speaker 16: For sure, it was always good to have a villain.

3303
02:58:06,879 --> 02:58:09,920
Speaker 16: I think it's like it's narrative driven. And again that

3304
02:58:10,040 --> 02:58:12,760
Speaker 16: brings me back to Japanese mma and that evolved out

3305
02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:15,680
Speaker 16: of pro wrestling, right, So, like I think pro wrestling

3306
02:58:15,720 --> 02:58:19,760
Speaker 16: to storylines incredibly well. So I think like CJI one

3307
02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:23,959
Speaker 16: had this perfect sort of villain and along the lines,

3308
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:27,440
Speaker 16: unfortunately that villain makes a bad decision that made life

3309
02:58:27,480 --> 02:58:28,960
Speaker 16: a lot easier for us.

3310
02:58:28,959 --> 02:58:30,960
Speaker 5: So we had this narrative of against the band.

3311
02:58:31,520 --> 02:58:33,760
Speaker 16: I do consider us to have a villain for this

3312
02:58:33,800 --> 02:58:36,240
Speaker 16: next event and that villain would be any event that

3313
02:58:36,320 --> 02:58:38,320
Speaker 16: blocks their athletes from competing for US, So we do

3314
02:58:38,400 --> 02:58:40,320
Speaker 16: have a bit of a villain. That's a villain with

3315
02:58:40,400 --> 02:58:46,360
Speaker 16: a very strong legal team. And actually, for a crew

3316
02:58:46,400 --> 02:58:48,960
Speaker 16: of people that are anti cancel culture, they're quite sensitive.

3317
02:58:49,000 --> 02:58:50,400
Speaker 5: They're quite a sensitive group of people.

3318
02:58:50,480 --> 02:58:52,320
Speaker 1: So this is my favorite thing about UFC.

3319
02:58:52,440 --> 02:58:54,960
Speaker 4: They what a free speech place, and I'm like, they

3320
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:59,119
Speaker 4: are the most censorious organization in all of sports. Dana

3321
02:58:59,160 --> 02:59:02,160
Speaker 4: White is easily the most sensitive guy in the entirety

3322
02:59:02,160 --> 02:59:05,240
Speaker 4: of combat sports. It's a I mean, listen, they can

3323
02:59:05,280 --> 02:59:07,119
Speaker 4: they can operate their business how they want, and it's

3324
02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:09,240
Speaker 4: obviously been very successful. But the claim that what they're

3325
02:59:09,240 --> 02:59:13,160
Speaker 4: committed to is the free expression of ideas is fucking comical.

3326
02:59:14,320 --> 02:59:17,120
Speaker 16: It's true, it's true. Yeah, I mean they are, they

3327
02:59:17,160 --> 02:59:19,720
Speaker 16: are free speech for some things.

3328
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:20,280
Speaker 5: But yeah they do.

3329
02:59:21,000 --> 02:59:25,000
Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, Brice Mitchell, marketing manager over there, But we

3330
02:59:25,080 --> 02:59:28,040
Speaker 16: do for us, Like, it is difficult in this sense

3331
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:33,960
Speaker 16: because like it's hard to villainize an organization that kids

3332
02:59:34,000 --> 02:59:38,160
Speaker 16: grew up watching and idealize. So it's like it's I mean,

3333
02:59:38,200 --> 02:59:42,000
Speaker 16: people will take smaller paychecks to be associated with that organization,

3334
02:59:42,040 --> 02:59:43,960
Speaker 16: and that's kind of the dream they do sell these

3335
02:59:44,240 --> 02:59:46,680
Speaker 16: they do that make yeah, So it's like we do

3336
02:59:46,760 --> 02:59:49,119
Speaker 16: have an uphill battle here, and I don't really think

3337
02:59:49,440 --> 02:59:53,440
Speaker 16: we necessarily need a villain for this event. Like for me,

3338
02:59:53,680 --> 02:59:57,280
Speaker 16: what I'm so invested in is basically I wanted to

3339
02:59:57,320 --> 03:00:01,080
Speaker 16: show CI one the perfect format. Obviously stole the pit

3340
03:00:01,959 --> 03:00:06,320
Speaker 16: and license it, but we stole it. We wanted a

3341
03:00:06,320 --> 03:00:09,480
Speaker 16: perfect format for like an individual tournament style. But it's

3342
03:00:09,480 --> 03:00:13,000
Speaker 16: always been my dream to showcase quintet as I imagined it,

3343
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:15,000
Speaker 16: which is sort of like a five on five last

3344
03:00:15,040 --> 03:00:17,480
Speaker 16: man standing type of thing. Like I don't think there

3345
03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:20,160
Speaker 16: would be a more exciting thing in the sport of

3346
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:23,640
Speaker 16: jiu jitsu than to see one athlete submit five people

3347
03:00:23,720 --> 03:00:24,119
Speaker 16: in a row.

3348
03:00:24,680 --> 03:00:26,520
Speaker 5: And that's all we have the possibility to do here.

3349
03:00:26,959 --> 03:00:27,560
Speaker 5: So although we.

3350
03:00:27,600 --> 03:00:30,480
Speaker 16: Do a villain arc is very nice. It is a

3351
03:00:30,480 --> 03:00:33,800
Speaker 16: playful it's a playful villain this time and we go.

3352
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:35,320
Speaker 16: I do have to be careful aout what I say

3353
03:00:35,320 --> 03:00:39,680
Speaker 16: because expensive legal feest. But for this event, the main

3354
03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:42,959
Speaker 16: goal is really like to showcase how exciting that team

3355
03:00:43,000 --> 03:00:45,200
Speaker 16: aspect to jiu jitsu can be. And it's really like

3356
03:00:45,240 --> 03:00:47,720
Speaker 16: a uniting factor, like we're ever in New York, and

3357
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:52,720
Speaker 16: I was envisioning myself as Cyrus from the Warriors uniting

3358
03:00:52,760 --> 03:00:57,920
Speaker 16: the gangs together. Yeah, come out before he got shut

3359
03:00:57,959 --> 03:01:00,720
Speaker 16: down by the rival organization. But yeah, like basically, like

3360
03:01:01,400 --> 03:01:04,160
Speaker 16: the teams are kind of like gangs, and everyone's coming

3361
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:07,320
Speaker 16: together to showcase the most exciting aspects of jiu jitsu.

3362
03:01:07,320 --> 03:01:09,520
Speaker 16: And we've got a lot of really all around support

3363
03:01:09,520 --> 03:01:12,279
Speaker 16: and grassroots support from the first one for this one.

3364
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:15,240
Speaker 16: But yeah, I mean to see like a new wave

3365
03:01:15,360 --> 03:01:18,280
Speaker 16: and B team like just being in an event together.

3366
03:01:18,280 --> 03:01:19,240
Speaker 5: I feel like we've already.

3367
03:01:19,000 --> 03:01:22,800
Speaker 16: Accomplished something very good with that, and really like it

3368
03:01:22,959 --> 03:01:25,120
Speaker 16: is the end of the road for both those teams.

3369
03:01:25,160 --> 03:01:27,440
Speaker 16: So the only chance you'll get to see to what

3370
03:01:27,879 --> 03:01:30,080
Speaker 16: that beef play out is it CJR.

3371
03:01:30,200 --> 03:01:30,400
Speaker 5: Two.

3372
03:01:30,400 --> 03:01:33,080
Speaker 1: Why is at the end of the road, because obviously.

3373
03:01:32,800 --> 03:01:33,880
Speaker 5: They're going to become Kingsway.

3374
03:01:34,600 --> 03:01:37,240
Speaker 1: So the new way of just like disintegrating.

3375
03:01:38,800 --> 03:01:41,039
Speaker 16: I mean, I don't know how they're going to structure it,

3376
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:42,560
Speaker 16: but they do have a new premises.

3377
03:01:42,600 --> 03:01:44,760
Speaker 5: It is King's Way. I'll shout them out even though

3378
03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:46,160
Speaker 5: the coach, but.

3379
03:01:47,440 --> 03:01:49,160
Speaker 16: I will shout them at Kingsway. Obviously you gonna have

3380
03:01:49,160 --> 03:01:51,440
Speaker 16: fantastic instruction there. But you will have an alternative with

3381
03:01:51,480 --> 03:01:54,360
Speaker 16: the B Team Boys rebranding. It'll probably I'm calling it out,

3382
03:01:54,360 --> 03:01:56,000
Speaker 16: it probably be called simple Man jiu Jitsu or Simple

3383
03:01:56,000 --> 03:01:59,680
Speaker 16: Man Martial Arts. Okay, so the rebrand So obviously B

3384
03:01:59,760 --> 03:02:03,800
Speaker 16: Team new Aves were the names of the teams when the.

3385
03:02:03,879 --> 03:02:05,840
Speaker 5: Beef was real. So if you want to see it

3386
03:02:05,879 --> 03:02:10,320
Speaker 5: play out.

3387
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:12,520
Speaker 4: It sounds like the balls Quintet thing that you did

3388
03:02:12,720 --> 03:02:15,800
Speaker 4: through the team really had a very strong impact on you.

3389
03:02:15,840 --> 03:02:19,520
Speaker 4: It sounds like that's what inspired this whole U.

3390
03:02:19,720 --> 03:02:22,200
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I mean I've done quints Out before, and

3391
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:25,520
Speaker 16: quints Out would do super teams kind of respect to

3392
03:02:25,560 --> 03:02:27,640
Speaker 16: Tenth Planet. Ten Planet would participate and they would have

3393
03:02:27,640 --> 03:02:30,039
Speaker 16: their own team, and they always used to say it.

3394
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:31,279
Speaker 5: Should be real teams.

3395
03:02:32,080 --> 03:02:34,360
Speaker 16: Eddie Brother never took that idea, and Rama it I

3396
03:02:34,400 --> 03:02:36,520
Speaker 16: stole that idea they were preaching to the choiet. I

3397
03:02:36,520 --> 03:02:39,920
Speaker 16: thought the idea of real team versus real team is

3398
03:02:39,959 --> 03:02:42,920
Speaker 16: the most exciting, right, Like, if you do super teams,

3399
03:02:42,959 --> 03:02:45,959
Speaker 16: you're going to have some DuPont like character come in

3400
03:02:46,000 --> 03:02:49,039
Speaker 16: and just build the best team possible. So like the

3401
03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:51,520
Speaker 16: idea of it being real teams as this sort of

3402
03:02:51,600 --> 03:02:53,320
Speaker 16: fairness factor to her, and.

3403
03:02:53,240 --> 03:02:54,360
Speaker 5: I think at the end of the day, people want

3404
03:02:54,360 --> 03:02:55,560
Speaker 5: to see fair competition.

3405
03:02:56,000 --> 03:02:59,240
Speaker 16: There will be mismatches because of the weight discrepancies, because

3406
03:02:59,240 --> 03:03:02,119
Speaker 16: we're gonna have a sixty seven eighty eight under ninety

3407
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:05,880
Speaker 16: nine over ninety nine. So basically your ADCC weight division

3408
03:03:06,040 --> 03:03:08,920
Speaker 16: representatives from your team are going to go to war

3409
03:03:09,440 --> 03:03:11,600
Speaker 16: with another team.

3410
03:03:11,920 --> 03:03:13,520
Speaker 4: I love it. I think it's something. I think it's

3411
03:03:13,520 --> 03:03:17,360
Speaker 4: going to be. I actually think the action will be

3412
03:03:17,360 --> 03:03:19,279
Speaker 4: better this time. No, it's gonna be hard to reproduce

3413
03:03:19,320 --> 03:03:21,640
Speaker 4: what ro Tolo and Taka did last time. That's pretty

3414
03:03:21,640 --> 03:03:24,560
Speaker 4: special glamning in the bottle. But to the point you raised,

3415
03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:28,200
Speaker 4: the format lends itself to a little craziness.

3416
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:31,280
Speaker 16: It feels like, yes, and there's obviously Vince mcma being

3417
03:03:31,320 --> 03:03:33,840
Speaker 16: a personal inspiration to me. We are stealing the Royal

3418
03:03:33,920 --> 03:03:35,320
Speaker 16: Rumble format, and that.

3419
03:03:35,360 --> 03:03:36,800
Speaker 1: Is to explain that. I mean, I know what Royal

3420
03:03:36,879 --> 03:03:38,440
Speaker 1: Rumber is, but how are you implementing it?

3421
03:03:38,680 --> 03:03:41,840
Speaker 16: So what Quintet would do, And again I think Quintette

3422
03:03:41,840 --> 03:03:44,080
Speaker 16: did a fantastic job. I just wanted to alter it slightly,

3423
03:03:44,480 --> 03:03:47,600
Speaker 16: but I still want to give props to Quintet. So

3424
03:03:47,640 --> 03:03:51,600
Speaker 16: we are this is in my opinion an incarnation of

3425
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:55,280
Speaker 16: Quintet right, So like unlike other organizations that think ideas

3426
03:03:55,280 --> 03:03:57,280
Speaker 16: fall out of the sky claim them as their own,

3427
03:03:57,840 --> 03:04:00,520
Speaker 16: I give credit to Quintet for this. The way we're

3428
03:04:00,640 --> 03:04:03,760
Speaker 16: changing it is Quintet, you would know the five man

3429
03:04:03,800 --> 03:04:06,880
Speaker 16: lineup basically immediately and you couldn't change that order.

3430
03:04:07,320 --> 03:04:09,160
Speaker 5: What we're going to have is the coaches.

3431
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:12,720
Speaker 16: So it could be Nicky Ryan and John danaher one

3432
03:04:12,760 --> 03:04:16,840
Speaker 16: on each side. Nicky Ryan calls in his first guy reveal,

3433
03:04:16,959 --> 03:04:20,160
Speaker 16: he comes out. Danna calls in his first guy, he

3434
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:23,600
Speaker 16: comes out. They fight it out, but the rest of

3435
03:04:23,640 --> 03:04:27,280
Speaker 16: the team is backstate. So based on the result of

3436
03:04:27,280 --> 03:04:29,600
Speaker 16: that match, and if it goes to a draw, they're

3437
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:33,800
Speaker 16: both eliminated. But let's say our guy, Nicky Ryan's guy

3438
03:04:33,920 --> 03:04:35,240
Speaker 16: defeats John danaherst guy.

3439
03:04:35,879 --> 03:04:38,879
Speaker 5: John will have a time period to decide who.

3440
03:04:38,840 --> 03:04:41,400
Speaker 16: He wants new oh shit, and then we're going to

3441
03:04:41,440 --> 03:04:43,000
Speaker 16: do a ten second time on the wall.

3442
03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:44,880
Speaker 5: It's going to be a massive reveal. So I think,

3443
03:04:45,000 --> 03:04:47,440
Speaker 5: just like the excitement from.

3444
03:04:49,440 --> 03:04:53,080
Speaker 16: Coach perspective, crowd perspective is it's kind of like a

3445
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:55,640
Speaker 16: bit of a Pokemon battle meets will rumble here, but

3446
03:04:55,720 --> 03:04:57,840
Speaker 16: I mean, it's going to be phenomenal to watch, Like

3447
03:04:59,440 --> 03:05:01,840
Speaker 16: coaches have to make the decision on the spot. They're

3448
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:03,120
Speaker 16: gonna have to be like, who do I think can

3449
03:05:03,160 --> 03:05:07,600
Speaker 16: beat this guy? Cooling Jeancla, you know what I mean.

3450
03:05:07,640 --> 03:05:10,400
Speaker 16: So we're really going to see coaches at play, Whereas

3451
03:05:10,480 --> 03:05:13,280
Speaker 16: generally most of the coaching he's done in the back.

3452
03:05:13,360 --> 03:05:15,200
Speaker 16: The coach is going to have to really strategically think

3453
03:05:15,240 --> 03:05:19,039
Speaker 16: about which of his guys can beat this next guy.

3454
03:05:19,120 --> 03:05:21,080
Speaker 16: So I really love that aspect of it, and that

3455
03:05:21,240 --> 03:05:23,520
Speaker 16: reveal aspect. That's what I'm most excited for.

3456
03:05:23,520 --> 03:05:25,400
Speaker 4: Prize money this time is a little bit different, right,

3457
03:05:25,400 --> 03:05:27,840
Speaker 4: It's not one million to one guy one million to another.

3458
03:05:27,920 --> 03:05:29,800
Speaker 4: It's a little bit more evenly distributed.

3459
03:05:29,879 --> 03:05:31,880
Speaker 5: That might have been unsustainable.

3460
03:05:32,959 --> 03:05:36,160
Speaker 1: But certainly certainly worked as a marketing gimmick.

3461
03:05:36,160 --> 03:05:39,480
Speaker 5: I can say that this time it'll be ten thousand

3462
03:05:39,640 --> 03:05:41,520
Speaker 5: and two dollars to show up.

3463
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:46,080
Speaker 16: We'll be just inflation adjusted, and the winning team will

3464
03:05:46,080 --> 03:05:48,200
Speaker 16: take him a million. So each athlete will take on

3465
03:05:48,640 --> 03:05:51,320
Speaker 16: two hundred thousand dollars each. But if you lose, you

3466
03:05:51,360 --> 03:05:52,920
Speaker 16: still got the ten thousand and two.

3467
03:05:52,840 --> 03:05:55,000
Speaker 4: Right, right, Let's talk about some of your teams so

3468
03:05:55,040 --> 03:05:56,240
Speaker 4: you mentioned New Wave is on there.

3469
03:05:56,360 --> 03:05:57,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got New Waves.

3470
03:05:57,520 --> 03:05:59,280
Speaker 1: Big Dan is on the New Wave team.

3471
03:05:59,320 --> 03:06:01,280
Speaker 16: Big Dan is on a New Wave team. I do

3472
03:06:01,400 --> 03:06:03,320
Speaker 16: have a big Danna sincere apologia. I bullied him for

3473
03:06:03,320 --> 03:06:05,400
Speaker 16: a long time after the team break up, and that's

3474
03:06:05,400 --> 03:06:07,000
Speaker 16: just something that comes out of me from time to time.

3475
03:06:07,000 --> 03:06:09,280
Speaker 16: We have put out difference to the side. Big Dan

3476
03:06:09,360 --> 03:06:12,760
Speaker 16: will be in New Wave. Luke Griffiths, South Africa's greatest

3477
03:06:12,760 --> 03:06:15,600
Speaker 16: ever grandpa will be in New Wave. Jean Carlo Badoni

3478
03:06:15,680 --> 03:06:19,760
Speaker 16: two time eighty ccs he's in there. And Dorian Olivarez

3479
03:06:19,920 --> 03:06:21,480
Speaker 16: used to train with us, one of the best sixty

3480
03:06:21,480 --> 03:06:23,640
Speaker 16: six guys in the world, obviously joined the Dark Side.

3481
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:26,320
Speaker 16: I forgive you Dora and your dad and we will

3482
03:06:26,360 --> 03:06:29,440
Speaker 16: have an announcement about their seventy seven Killer wild Card

3483
03:06:29,560 --> 03:06:30,119
Speaker 16: coming soon.

3484
03:06:30,600 --> 03:06:32,720
Speaker 1: Did you try to get Gordon to compete? Did you

3485
03:06:32,760 --> 03:06:34,040
Speaker 1: even like make an attempt?

3486
03:06:35,959 --> 03:06:36,279
Speaker 5: Given?

3487
03:06:36,520 --> 03:06:38,200
Speaker 16: I mean no, I didn't make an attempt. It's a

3488
03:06:38,200 --> 03:06:39,520
Speaker 16: tough fune call to make, you know. It's a tough

3489
03:06:39,520 --> 03:06:40,640
Speaker 16: one to that.

3490
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:42,400
Speaker 1: But you worked it up with John deanaher.

3491
03:06:42,440 --> 03:06:45,320
Speaker 4: I saw the Instagram photos and whatnot, because they seemed

3492
03:06:45,360 --> 03:06:46,400
Speaker 4: to be level headed about it.

3493
03:06:46,840 --> 03:06:48,600
Speaker 16: Yeah, and I think that's the key factor there is

3494
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:51,000
Speaker 16: that John Danaher is at the end of the dad

3495
03:06:51,080 --> 03:06:55,360
Speaker 16: level headed individual and John really cares about the sport

3496
03:06:55,360 --> 03:06:57,520
Speaker 16: of jiu jitsu as well and where it goes.

3497
03:06:57,720 --> 03:07:01,920
Speaker 5: And I think I know John's loves Japan loves Japanese.

3498
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:02,920
Speaker 5: MMn right, so.

3499
03:07:02,920 --> 03:07:04,640
Speaker 1: He won't stop using the language.

3500
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:06,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's still he still the language.

3501
03:07:06,959 --> 03:07:10,560
Speaker 16: So basically for him to get him involved, we really

3502
03:07:10,600 --> 03:07:12,800
Speaker 16: have to put some differences aside. But really he sees

3503
03:07:12,840 --> 03:07:14,640
Speaker 16: the great ignity event Gordon.

3504
03:07:14,640 --> 03:07:16,880
Speaker 5: I don't think we compete. I think he's health issue.

3505
03:07:16,920 --> 03:07:18,199
Speaker 5: I think truly he's done this.

3506
03:07:18,080 --> 03:07:21,680
Speaker 1: Time, like no matter what, like no event, no organization,

3507
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:23,000
Speaker 1: no nothing. He's cooked.

3508
03:07:23,200 --> 03:07:25,480
Speaker 5: I mean for enough money, for sure, someone could learn

3509
03:07:25,560 --> 03:07:28,039
Speaker 5: back in. But I think generally speaking, yeah, he's uh,

3510
03:07:28,320 --> 03:07:29,039
Speaker 5: he's out now.

3511
03:07:29,320 --> 03:07:31,720
Speaker 16: So like I don't even entertain the conversation that John

3512
03:07:31,800 --> 03:07:35,480
Speaker 16: told me the same thing that yeah he Jones told

3513
03:07:35,480 --> 03:07:36,760
Speaker 16: me a few times he's not coming back, but he

3514
03:07:36,800 --> 03:07:37,160
Speaker 16: comes back.

3515
03:07:37,160 --> 03:07:39,400
Speaker 5: But this time I do believe that Gordon's out.

3516
03:07:39,440 --> 03:07:39,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

3517
03:07:40,520 --> 03:07:42,320
Speaker 4: One of the interesting teams that you have, and the

3518
03:07:42,320 --> 03:07:43,760
Speaker 4: reason why I say this is because some of these

3519
03:07:43,800 --> 03:07:45,800
Speaker 4: guys were competing at ADCC last time when you couldn't

3520
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:48,879
Speaker 4: get them. Michael Pixley out of Daisy Fresh very excited

3521
03:07:48,879 --> 03:07:51,600
Speaker 4: about him. He obviously had a very important submission to ADCC.

3522
03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:55,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure, Yeah, I saw that you that made you

3523
03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:57,039
Speaker 4: quite happy last time around.

3524
03:07:57,440 --> 03:07:59,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, And I need to explain this right because this

3525
03:07:59,400 --> 03:08:03,080
Speaker 16: was actually point in the conversation with Dana, right, Mary Gary.

3526
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:05,600
Speaker 16: He does play a character for the media, you know,

3527
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:09,480
Speaker 16: like and before the match, obviously he's going full Rio style,

3528
03:08:09,560 --> 03:08:12,440
Speaker 16: blonde platinum hair, He's posting how he's already won.

3529
03:08:12,600 --> 03:08:13,640
Speaker 5: He's like, he's talking to.

3530
03:08:13,680 --> 03:08:16,640
Speaker 1: Talk, He's like Elliott yeah yeah.

3531
03:08:16,400 --> 03:08:21,199
Speaker 16: But ultimately like and again he lost. I believe it

3532
03:08:21,120 --> 03:08:22,840
Speaker 16: it was the first or second round. I can't remember.

3533
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:24,680
Speaker 1: I think it was second. I don't think he won

3534
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:25,600
Speaker 1: first pick.

3535
03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:26,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

3536
03:08:26,280 --> 03:08:30,000
Speaker 16: Actually, Pixley is an incredible wrestler, and Pixley has an

3537
03:08:30,040 --> 03:08:37,680
Speaker 16: incredible hit toss whizar kick, And sometimes us scrapplers think

3538
03:08:37,680 --> 03:08:40,120
Speaker 16: we're better wrestlers than we are because we're wrestling with

3539
03:08:40,160 --> 03:08:43,160
Speaker 16: other jiu jitsu guys. And then Pixie comes across with

3540
03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:46,359
Speaker 16: his elite level wrestling and he hits it on Merygali

3541
03:08:46,480 --> 03:08:48,280
Speaker 16: once and then on the second time he hits at

3542
03:08:48,280 --> 03:08:50,920
Speaker 16: Mary Gally makes that fatal mistake, and it's just it's

3543
03:08:50,959 --> 03:08:53,120
Speaker 16: an instinctive thing. If your heads go on towards the ground,

3544
03:08:53,200 --> 03:08:55,440
Speaker 16: you post and it injured his shoulder another time.

3545
03:08:55,440 --> 03:08:56,240
Speaker 5: I didn't know how.

3546
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:59,760
Speaker 16: Serious that injury was, so I did enjoy it, not

3547
03:09:00,080 --> 03:09:04,280
Speaker 16: from a personal level, but because of what he'd been posting,

3548
03:09:04,360 --> 03:09:06,200
Speaker 16: you know what I mean, Like it is fun to

3549
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:08,640
Speaker 16: see someone talk so much and then full shot.

3550
03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:11,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, part of combat sports fandom.

3551
03:09:11,360 --> 03:09:12,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, it is bad of it. But I do have

3552
03:09:12,680 --> 03:09:14,480
Speaker 16: Americ galli apolics because I do feel bad because I

3553
03:09:14,520 --> 03:09:17,680
Speaker 16: think he's had three surgeries on that should catastroph yeah,

3554
03:09:17,760 --> 03:09:20,840
Speaker 16: really catastrophic injury. So like, although in the heat of

3555
03:09:20,879 --> 03:09:24,280
Speaker 16: the moment that was funny, in the big picture type

3556
03:09:24,320 --> 03:09:26,080
Speaker 16: of thing, it's like it is a huge loss of

3557
03:09:26,080 --> 03:09:28,560
Speaker 16: the sports to not have him competing. Even though he

3558
03:09:28,600 --> 03:09:30,760
Speaker 16: does this thing that causes sort of like a lot

3559
03:09:30,760 --> 03:09:33,280
Speaker 16: of negative energy towards him, it does put pressure on

3560
03:09:33,400 --> 03:09:35,680
Speaker 16: him to have to perform, And I do feel bad.

3561
03:09:36,360 --> 03:09:38,320
Speaker 16: I'm not I don't feel bad he lost. I feel

3562
03:09:38,320 --> 03:09:40,959
Speaker 16: bad that he got hurt and that.

3563
03:09:40,600 --> 03:09:42,400
Speaker 1: You dunked on him, like prime Shack.

3564
03:09:43,200 --> 03:09:46,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, I was watching from the I think it was

3565
03:09:46,280 --> 03:09:47,959
Speaker 16: setting up CJAR and so I was watching on the

3566
03:09:47,959 --> 03:09:49,600
Speaker 16: TV screen there, and at the time I did think

3567
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:50,840
Speaker 16: it was very funny, just because it was a big

3568
03:09:50,879 --> 03:09:53,000
Speaker 16: win for US as an organization.

3569
03:09:52,600 --> 03:09:54,520
Speaker 5: If like one of their stars lose, especially a.

3570
03:09:54,480 --> 03:09:57,280
Speaker 16: Guy that was like kind of annoying on social media.

3571
03:09:57,480 --> 03:09:59,800
Speaker 16: But yeah, I don't know Mark Gally. I hope he

3572
03:09:59,800 --> 03:10:01,640
Speaker 16: does a problem with me. I'll show he was up.

3573
03:10:02,280 --> 03:10:06,560
Speaker 1: I've had shoulder surgery. Fucking blows. So I love Pixley.

3574
03:10:07,640 --> 03:10:09,680
Speaker 4: Everyone thinks you have to get the D one wrestlers,

3575
03:10:09,800 --> 03:10:11,640
Speaker 4: but I've always said this, you get some scrappy D

3576
03:10:11,720 --> 03:10:15,360
Speaker 4: two guys. That's great for the sport too. There's plenty

3577
03:10:15,360 --> 03:10:17,240
Speaker 4: of talent there that can contribute in really important ways.

3578
03:10:17,240 --> 03:10:18,279
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys.

3579
03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:20,119
Speaker 5: And wasn't even D one and look at the damage.

3580
03:10:20,120 --> 03:10:21,240
Speaker 1: He exactly exactly.

3581
03:10:21,280 --> 03:10:24,039
Speaker 4: So okay, So we got beat Team New Wave, Daisy Fresh,

3582
03:10:24,440 --> 03:10:27,000
Speaker 4: Tenth Planet has a team, right, Planet has a team,

3583
03:10:27,160 --> 03:10:29,200
Speaker 4: was on tenth, So I'm guessing Gio Martinez is on

3584
03:10:29,280 --> 03:10:29,720
Speaker 4: that right.

3585
03:10:29,879 --> 03:10:34,240
Speaker 5: Geo PJJ one of the best grappers in the world today.

3586
03:10:35,120 --> 03:10:40,280
Speaker 16: We've got Ryan Akin, We've got Kyle BAM and I

3587
03:10:40,320 --> 03:10:44,240
Speaker 16: feel so bad. I think I'm forgetting one name, but

3588
03:10:44,280 --> 03:10:47,680
Speaker 16: it's a stacked it is a and Alan Sanchez's okay.

3589
03:10:47,840 --> 03:10:50,200
Speaker 16: So they do have a very strong team and they

3590
03:10:50,200 --> 03:10:52,680
Speaker 16: didn't utilize any of the wild cards. We gave teams

3591
03:10:52,680 --> 03:10:55,199
Speaker 16: a wild card basically because it is hot to feel

3592
03:10:55,959 --> 03:10:58,920
Speaker 16: five white visions from your own team, and some of

3593
03:10:58,959 --> 03:11:02,800
Speaker 16: the guys that represent smaller teams might not have found

3594
03:11:02,840 --> 03:11:05,800
Speaker 16: a position right, like their team didn't have enough people

3595
03:11:05,840 --> 03:11:07,640
Speaker 16: to fill the spot. But we still wanted in the event,

3596
03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:09,640
Speaker 16: and we like the idea of a wild card. So

3597
03:11:09,680 --> 03:11:13,600
Speaker 16: it's still predominantly your team, but you have that wild

3598
03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:15,000
Speaker 16: card option where it's like, oh, we don't have a

3599
03:11:15,040 --> 03:11:17,320
Speaker 16: sixty six er, we'll call this guy in.

3600
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:18,160
Speaker 5: And that's what I mean.

3601
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:20,200
Speaker 16: We BETEAM did that. We brought in Victor Hugo. So

3602
03:11:20,200 --> 03:11:24,000
Speaker 16: we've got Ethan Crevenstein, Joseph Chan, Joseph one of the

3603
03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:26,680
Speaker 16: best I think is the best athlete out there today.

3604
03:11:26,959 --> 03:11:32,080
Speaker 16: In terms of a technical sense, we have my memories,

3605
03:11:32,680 --> 03:11:35,800
Speaker 16: Chris Wergic, we have Nicki Rod and we have Victor Hugo.

3606
03:11:35,840 --> 03:11:38,400
Speaker 16: And Victor Hugo it's great that him and Nicki areight

3607
03:11:38,440 --> 03:11:40,840
Speaker 16: to come together because Nicki Rod has lost to him

3608
03:11:40,879 --> 03:11:44,400
Speaker 16: four times. Unfortunately that his victor ego has proven to

3609
03:11:44,400 --> 03:11:47,680
Speaker 16: be his krypton had unfortunately, but they put there they

3610
03:11:47,720 --> 03:11:50,039
Speaker 16: don't really have any differences. But obviously it's like Nicky Rod,

3611
03:11:50,040 --> 03:11:51,880
Speaker 16: it's gonna be hard to have another match agains victor

3612
03:11:51,920 --> 03:11:54,840
Speaker 16: after they trained together for this event, you know. So

3613
03:11:54,920 --> 03:11:58,680
Speaker 16: that's Nicki Rod props in with his ego aside, brought

3614
03:11:58,720 --> 03:12:00,120
Speaker 16: in the guy that beat him and gets the up

3615
03:12:00,120 --> 03:12:00,760
Speaker 16: with him all the time.

3616
03:12:00,800 --> 03:12:03,039
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, incredible. Who else are the teams that I'm missing?

3617
03:12:03,160 --> 03:12:05,360
Speaker 4: There's a is there an Australian team as well, like

3618
03:12:05,360 --> 03:12:05,960
Speaker 4: a super team?

3619
03:12:06,040 --> 03:12:08,360
Speaker 16: Yeah, we got an Australian team. Loclan Giles is heading

3620
03:12:08,400 --> 03:12:10,959
Speaker 16: that up. We got man, you're testing my memory hit.

3621
03:12:11,000 --> 03:12:13,920
Speaker 5: Today's a lot of teams we got. That was a

3622
03:12:13,959 --> 03:12:16,080
Speaker 5: bit of a wild card draw there.

3623
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:19,200
Speaker 16: He's like kind of an unknown but really really talented

3624
03:12:19,240 --> 03:12:21,000
Speaker 16: me but lock and Giles telling me before the trials

3625
03:12:21,000 --> 03:12:23,400
Speaker 16: that he thought Butla would secure one of the spots

3626
03:12:23,440 --> 03:12:25,600
Speaker 16: in the team. I didn't know who Blaw was, but yeah,

3627
03:12:25,640 --> 03:12:29,879
Speaker 16: he proved very dangerous. They've got Deckl and Moody. Unfortunately,

3628
03:12:29,959 --> 03:12:31,600
Speaker 16: Levi I had to pull out maybe as a back

3629
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:31,879
Speaker 16: in Joy.

3630
03:12:31,959 --> 03:12:34,200
Speaker 1: He was so fucking awesome last year or two. What

3631
03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:35,320
Speaker 1: a revolution he was.

3632
03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:38,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm super disappointed. I always feel like Lee was

3633
03:12:38,680 --> 03:12:40,720
Speaker 16: on the cusp, like he in the Gee. He was

3634
03:12:40,720 --> 03:12:42,520
Speaker 16: about to do what no Ozzie had ever done, and

3635
03:12:42,520 --> 03:12:44,360
Speaker 16: I believe at the time and that was when a

3636
03:12:44,360 --> 03:12:46,440
Speaker 16: black belt world title in the Gee, everyone thought that

3637
03:12:46,480 --> 03:12:49,800
Speaker 16: was impossible. And he he beat Lucas lepri and he

3638
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:52,160
Speaker 16: got double DQ and he disappeared for a while after

3639
03:12:52,160 --> 03:12:55,160
Speaker 16: the World Championships, and then obviously he had his CGI

3640
03:12:55,280 --> 03:12:57,240
Speaker 16: performance is an incredible run, and then he sort of

3641
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,320
Speaker 16: disappeared again a little bit, you know, like he's obviously

3642
03:13:00,360 --> 03:13:01,920
Speaker 16: dealing with some injuries and stuff. So it's sad we

3643
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:05,360
Speaker 16: lost him, but we've got Ken te Iwamoto replacing him,

3644
03:13:05,360 --> 03:13:07,080
Speaker 16: who's a guy that's trained to beat him. The Lord

3645
03:13:07,120 --> 03:13:09,880
Speaker 16: trains a lot with Joseph Chan. We've got Lucas Cannard,

3646
03:13:09,920 --> 03:13:12,760
Speaker 16: and Lucas is the Ossie kid that upset Victor Hugo.

3647
03:13:13,440 --> 03:13:16,280
Speaker 16: So Victor was like probably the betting favorite for Cji

3648
03:13:16,240 --> 03:13:19,600
Speaker 16: I one in the heavyweight division. Basically it was it

3649
03:13:19,680 --> 03:13:21,560
Speaker 16: was going to be Victor and Nicky run the finals,

3650
03:13:21,640 --> 03:13:24,360
Speaker 16: Lucas comes out as an unknown way under size and

3651
03:13:24,440 --> 03:13:26,200
Speaker 16: I think he was the last guy. We selected him

3652
03:13:26,200 --> 03:13:29,000
Speaker 16: the sixteen man. We stole him from ADCC at the

3653
03:13:29,080 --> 03:13:32,040
Speaker 16: last second. Actually my brother at the time was saying, no,

3654
03:13:32,160 --> 03:13:34,400
Speaker 16: there's this Aussie guy that's really good. So we put

3655
03:13:34,480 --> 03:13:36,920
Speaker 16: Lucas Cannard in and he beats Victor Hugo first round

3656
03:13:37,400 --> 03:13:39,040
Speaker 16: and that was just like that. One of the submission

3657
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:42,520
Speaker 16: of the tournament was just absolutely blown away. And then

3658
03:13:42,520 --> 03:13:45,480
Speaker 16: at sixty six killers, who is it in Team Australia.

3659
03:13:45,640 --> 03:13:46,920
Speaker 16: They're going to crucify me for this.

3660
03:13:47,760 --> 03:13:49,440
Speaker 1: Wow, what a fucking trader you are.

3661
03:13:49,600 --> 03:13:53,800
Speaker 16: Yeah, they won't working me back now sixty six who

3662
03:13:53,879 --> 03:13:54,160
Speaker 16: is it?

3663
03:13:54,360 --> 03:13:55,039
Speaker 5: I can't remember?

3664
03:13:55,160 --> 03:13:58,039
Speaker 4: That's all right, Well, we'll share links and people can

3665
03:13:58,320 --> 03:13:59,240
Speaker 4: check it on the the around.

3666
03:13:59,680 --> 03:14:01,400
Speaker 1: There's two more things I want to get to.

3667
03:14:01,520 --> 03:14:03,240
Speaker 4: One the women's side actually has a bit of a

3668
03:14:03,240 --> 03:14:05,160
Speaker 4: bracket this time with some big names on. There are

3669
03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:09,199
Speaker 4: some ADCC champions on there from actually Adele won. She's Australian,

3670
03:14:09,280 --> 03:14:11,080
Speaker 4: she won ADECC last year. She's a name could be

3671
03:14:11,080 --> 03:14:11,720
Speaker 4: at CGI.

3672
03:14:12,320 --> 03:14:13,920
Speaker 1: This time she came out of nowhere.

3673
03:14:14,160 --> 03:14:15,920
Speaker 16: She came out of nowhere really like obviously a lot

3674
03:14:15,920 --> 03:14:17,720
Speaker 16: of people in the Australian see knew how good she was,

3675
03:14:17,760 --> 03:14:19,480
Speaker 16: but she just came out of nowhere and double gold

3676
03:14:19,760 --> 03:14:24,640
Speaker 16: and it's like first ADCC double Golds. Then we have

3677
03:14:25,120 --> 03:14:29,879
Speaker 16: Anna Vieira Ana Vieira one ADCC in her weeight division

3678
03:14:30,280 --> 03:14:32,920
Speaker 16: and she beat the third contestant we have in there,

3679
03:14:32,959 --> 03:14:36,160
Speaker 16: and that is Helena Craber. And Helena is like the

3680
03:14:36,240 --> 03:14:39,400
Speaker 16: new Wave new Wave child prodigy. And that props to

3681
03:14:39,440 --> 03:14:41,520
Speaker 16: John on this because like when I was talking to

3682
03:14:41,560 --> 03:14:43,680
Speaker 16: John about being like, yo, can we please have a

3683
03:14:43,720 --> 03:14:46,280
Speaker 16: team new Wave, like this wouldn't be right without a

3684
03:14:46,320 --> 03:14:48,720
Speaker 16: team new Wave, Like it's like we missed out on

3685
03:14:48,760 --> 03:14:51,280
Speaker 16: you guys for c J one. You guys stuck the

3686
03:14:51,320 --> 03:14:55,400
Speaker 16: course of ADCC loyal to ADCC. I'm like, we need

3687
03:14:55,440 --> 03:14:57,240
Speaker 16: you for c j I two, And he was was

3688
03:14:57,280 --> 03:14:59,320
Speaker 16: a bit hesitant, but one of the things he did

3689
03:14:59,320 --> 03:15:02,360
Speaker 16: say is like we I really want a spot for Helena,

3690
03:15:02,879 --> 03:15:03,520
Speaker 16: and I was going to.

3691
03:15:03,560 --> 03:15:05,120
Speaker 5: Make sure we had something for her.

3692
03:15:05,360 --> 03:15:07,880
Speaker 16: And then we were able to find max out the

3693
03:15:07,920 --> 03:15:09,480
Speaker 16: credit card and get the one hundred k WHI would

3694
03:15:09,480 --> 03:15:13,160
Speaker 16: be the largest women's prize pool in the history of grappling.

3695
03:15:13,200 --> 03:15:15,840
Speaker 1: Wow. If memory serves.

3696
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:18,800
Speaker 4: Did theon Davies like y'all have a falling out or

3697
03:15:18,840 --> 03:15:19,640
Speaker 4: something like that.

3698
03:15:20,520 --> 03:15:23,279
Speaker 5: Uh, it gets it. It has its ups and downs.

3699
03:15:23,040 --> 03:15:24,800
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Yeah, Like, I know she

3700
03:15:24,840 --> 03:15:26,520
Speaker 4: got some I don't know Gordon doesn't like her. I

3701
03:15:26,560 --> 03:15:28,280
Speaker 4: didn't know how that pertained to you.

3702
03:15:28,600 --> 03:15:31,840
Speaker 5: That's actually probably an endearing quality in it.

3703
03:15:31,879 --> 03:15:35,120
Speaker 16: If Gordon doesn't like that, that's a great review of

3704
03:15:35,200 --> 03:15:35,600
Speaker 16: you as a.

3705
03:15:35,560 --> 03:15:36,400
Speaker 5: Human being, I think.

3706
03:15:36,520 --> 03:15:39,600
Speaker 16: But yeah, I love the Filon's awesome films paved the

3707
03:15:39,640 --> 03:15:42,080
Speaker 16: way in the sport as like a role model for

3708
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:44,040
Speaker 16: so many women in the sport, and she was one

3709
03:15:44,040 --> 03:15:45,920
Speaker 16: of the first people to come across for CG at once,

3710
03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:49,480
Speaker 16: so like love her for that. She donated a huge

3711
03:15:49,480 --> 03:15:54,520
Speaker 16: portion of her prize money to a charity group in

3712
03:15:54,920 --> 03:15:57,280
Speaker 16: Gaza for kids. So that props to her for giving

3713
03:15:57,280 --> 03:15:57,959
Speaker 16: away so much.

3714
03:15:57,840 --> 03:15:58,360
Speaker 5: Money on that.

3715
03:15:58,840 --> 03:16:01,800
Speaker 16: I worked so, so so hard to get McKenzie Dorn.

3716
03:16:02,040 --> 03:16:05,080
Speaker 16: McKenzie was obviously hesitanting because it's like she's been out

3717
03:16:05,080 --> 03:16:07,080
Speaker 16: of the game so long. You know, she's been in

3718
03:16:07,120 --> 03:16:10,920
Speaker 16: an MMA, and MMA is a vastly different thing. Like

3719
03:16:11,000 --> 03:16:15,000
Speaker 16: we see submissions in MMA, but like Filon's just training grapping.

3720
03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:16,560
Speaker 5: It's so hard.

3721
03:16:16,680 --> 03:16:19,840
Speaker 16: Mackenzie was the best girl at the time in her

3722
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:22,280
Speaker 16: weight division back in twenty fifteen when she won ADCC.

3723
03:16:23,080 --> 03:16:25,720
Speaker 16: So like, I know, even from my own personal experience,

3724
03:16:25,800 --> 03:16:28,560
Speaker 16: like to face the next up and comer after being

3725
03:16:28,600 --> 03:16:30,840
Speaker 16: away that long is a tool order.

3726
03:16:31,240 --> 03:16:31,959
Speaker 5: But we're able to.

3727
03:16:31,879 --> 03:16:34,279
Speaker 16: Secure McKenzie Dern and I wanted to show how exciting

3728
03:16:34,280 --> 03:16:35,879
Speaker 16: femal grapping could be. And that was one of the

3729
03:16:35,879 --> 03:16:39,600
Speaker 16: big peaks on the broadcast And kind of like the

3730
03:16:39,680 --> 03:16:44,000
Speaker 16: falling out was me just being like a bit disappointed

3731
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:45,959
Speaker 16: that she did sign a deal with UFC. She said

3732
03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:47,960
Speaker 16: that she was allowed to do CGI. They had a

3733
03:16:48,000 --> 03:16:51,000
Speaker 16: CGI clause in there. I haven't seen the contract, I

3734
03:16:51,040 --> 03:16:56,080
Speaker 16: don't know, but based on my dealings with them, their athletes.

3735
03:16:55,720 --> 03:16:57,600
Speaker 5: Won't be able to do CJI.

3736
03:16:57,800 --> 03:17:00,440
Speaker 16: So like I kind of like I might have said

3737
03:17:00,480 --> 03:17:03,320
Speaker 16: in it more of an emotional moment that I was

3738
03:17:03,360 --> 03:17:06,760
Speaker 16: just like, oh, well, you support and other women, other

3739
03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:09,040
Speaker 16: women athletes had company and said, well, now if I

3740
03:17:09,080 --> 03:17:10,760
Speaker 16: have to face Fiel and I kind of have to

3741
03:17:10,760 --> 03:17:14,200
Speaker 16: sign an exclusive deal with the UFC. And if you're

3742
03:17:14,720 --> 03:17:18,879
Speaker 16: from a pure athletic perspective, if you want to face

3743
03:17:18,920 --> 03:17:21,080
Speaker 16: the best, but you have to accept the contract, you're

3744
03:17:21,080 --> 03:17:23,760
Speaker 16: not happy with the facer. I'm like, well, that puts

3745
03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:26,440
Speaker 16: all the other women in a bit of an awkward spot. So,

3746
03:17:26,640 --> 03:17:29,160
Speaker 16: like I had said some things about, obviously if you

3747
03:17:29,200 --> 03:17:32,600
Speaker 16: were four the sport for women in the sport, you

3748
03:17:32,600 --> 03:17:34,560
Speaker 16: wouldn't be locked down to an exclusive contract. But on

3749
03:17:34,600 --> 03:17:36,400
Speaker 16: the other side, I have to remember that, like, she's

3750
03:17:36,520 --> 03:17:38,760
Speaker 16: got to take care of herself. She got to take

3751
03:17:38,800 --> 03:17:42,080
Speaker 16: care of making money for herself. So really no skin

3752
03:17:42,120 --> 03:17:44,000
Speaker 16: off her back for doing that. At the time, we

3753
03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:49,440
Speaker 16: hadn't exclusively locked down the four women CGI division, so

3754
03:17:49,480 --> 03:17:51,199
Speaker 16: in retrospective, I could do it again.

3755
03:17:52,080 --> 03:17:53,959
Speaker 5: But obviously there's so many things happen on the fly.

3756
03:17:54,040 --> 03:17:56,000
Speaker 16: We're trying to organize, so many things, talking all these

3757
03:17:56,000 --> 03:17:58,360
Speaker 16: scrappers like herding cats, you know. So it's like at

3758
03:17:58,360 --> 03:18:02,000
Speaker 16: the time when I the UFC was entering the market,

3759
03:18:02,600 --> 03:18:05,480
Speaker 16: we started getting our contracts out early for these teams

3760
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:07,000
Speaker 16: and these athletes because it was one of those things

3761
03:18:07,000 --> 03:18:11,160
Speaker 16: where it's like, if they're locked in for August, they

3762
03:18:11,240 --> 03:18:13,840
Speaker 16: now have to if they sign exclusive contract, there has

3763
03:18:13,879 --> 03:18:15,879
Speaker 16: to be an exemption because they've already got a contractually

3764
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:20,120
Speaker 16: obligated obligation to perform at our event, So we were

3765
03:18:20,200 --> 03:18:22,240
Speaker 16: trying to get ahead of these exclusive contracts, and at

3766
03:18:22,280 --> 03:18:25,040
Speaker 16: the time, we hadn't locked down the women's prize money,

3767
03:18:25,040 --> 03:18:26,800
Speaker 16: we hadn't locked down the women's division, so I couldn't

3768
03:18:26,800 --> 03:18:29,720
Speaker 16: offer anything tangible to Fion at the time to get

3769
03:18:29,800 --> 03:18:32,640
Speaker 16: her to sign. So it was a gray area. It

3770
03:18:32,720 --> 03:18:36,240
Speaker 16: was a disagreement, but I love him fair enough.

3771
03:18:36,720 --> 03:18:40,119
Speaker 4: Before we wrapped the super fight last year was Gabby Garcia,

3772
03:18:40,160 --> 03:18:44,520
Speaker 4: which was hilarious. This one is equally not equally, but

3773
03:18:44,640 --> 03:18:47,640
Speaker 4: I would say also there's a lot of lighthearted vibe

3774
03:18:47,640 --> 03:18:47,800
Speaker 4: to it.

3775
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:52,760
Speaker 1: You versus Olympic champ into DOAA champ. Gable Steveson. Was

3776
03:18:52,760 --> 03:18:54,039
Speaker 1: it hard to convince him to do it?

3777
03:18:55,440 --> 03:18:57,720
Speaker 5: You know what? I said this before we got him

3778
03:18:57,720 --> 03:18:58,440
Speaker 5: at a vulnerable moment.

3779
03:18:58,480 --> 03:19:00,920
Speaker 16: Obviously he's coming off a loss and I do my

3780
03:19:00,959 --> 03:19:03,040
Speaker 16: best work when I noticed someone did a Vulnable moment,

3781
03:19:03,120 --> 03:19:04,120
Speaker 16: so that definitely helped us something.

3782
03:19:04,160 --> 03:19:07,240
Speaker 5: He goes out on the table, But yeah, Gable, Gable

3783
03:19:07,320 --> 03:19:08,640
Speaker 5: was down, Gable was down to do is down to

3784
03:19:08,640 --> 03:19:12,760
Speaker 5: how fine? I believe he's yeah, sorry about that. It's

3785
03:19:12,920 --> 03:19:14,160
Speaker 5: ue ice. It is called to get me.

3786
03:19:14,959 --> 03:19:17,520
Speaker 16: Gable is down, He's down to go there have a scrap,

3787
03:19:17,600 --> 03:19:19,440
Speaker 16: you know, Like obviously, I hope he doesn't break my

3788
03:19:19,480 --> 03:19:20,760
Speaker 16: spine and leaf permanent injury.

3789
03:19:21,480 --> 03:19:23,160
Speaker 5: That's what I'm hoping for. But yeah, it's gonna be

3790
03:19:23,200 --> 03:19:23,680
Speaker 5: a fun one.

3791
03:19:24,040 --> 03:19:27,600
Speaker 16: I do onetend to kiss him as a face off

3792
03:19:27,600 --> 03:19:28,080
Speaker 16: as well.

3793
03:19:28,240 --> 03:19:31,040
Speaker 4: The rule set is what is the rule set for

3794
03:19:31,120 --> 03:19:33,600
Speaker 4: the super fight, the same as any of the other matches.

3795
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:37,119
Speaker 16: The quintet matches will just be eight minutes. Last year,

3796
03:19:37,320 --> 03:19:39,440
Speaker 16: in the tournament style, we did three by fives and

3797
03:19:39,520 --> 03:19:42,920
Speaker 16: five by fives for the final. This one will be

3798
03:19:42,959 --> 03:19:45,720
Speaker 16: three five minute round scored just like a regular CG

3799
03:19:45,959 --> 03:19:49,000
Speaker 16: match at Okay, so I'm trying to go Helio Gracie

3800
03:19:49,080 --> 03:19:52,680
Speaker 16: style when he faced the massive judo dude and got

3801
03:19:52,720 --> 03:19:53,160
Speaker 16: his time broke.

3802
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:57,279
Speaker 5: And hopefully it's yeah, hopefully to roll abstle here some evening.

3803
03:19:58,120 --> 03:20:00,720
Speaker 4: If I may before You know, I greatly respect you,

3804
03:20:00,720 --> 03:20:03,160
Speaker 4: but I have to ask this. Gable does have a

3805
03:20:03,200 --> 03:20:06,840
Speaker 4: weird relationship with the fans, stemming from a twenty nineteen arrest.

3806
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:10,480
Speaker 4: Now ultimately the charges were dropped as a sexual assault charge.

3807
03:20:10,480 --> 03:20:12,360
Speaker 4: I could be wrong about the actual terminologist, to please

3808
03:20:12,400 --> 03:20:16,160
Speaker 4: forgive me. Some folks are wondering why you're doing business

3809
03:20:16,160 --> 03:20:17,600
Speaker 4: with him, to which you would say.

3810
03:20:18,480 --> 03:20:21,440
Speaker 16: I mean, I to be honest, I did not know

3811
03:20:21,520 --> 03:20:24,879
Speaker 16: about that until after the match, and I haven't discussed

3812
03:20:24,920 --> 03:20:27,160
Speaker 16: that within once the contract was signed.

3813
03:20:27,160 --> 03:20:29,400
Speaker 5: You know, I really don't know enough about it.

3814
03:20:29,879 --> 03:20:30,240
Speaker 1: Actually.

3815
03:20:30,360 --> 03:20:31,720
Speaker 4: The only reason I heard about it is because I

3816
03:20:31,720 --> 03:20:34,920
Speaker 4: heard he had, Like I so, he had the thing

3817
03:20:34,959 --> 03:20:38,600
Speaker 4: with pro wrestling went poorly, and someone told me, I

3818
03:20:38,640 --> 03:20:39,480
Speaker 4: forget how long ago it was.

3819
03:20:39,480 --> 03:20:41,360
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, the fans turned on him, and.

3820
03:20:41,320 --> 03:20:44,640
Speaker 4: I was like, well why, And then they sent me

3821
03:20:44,959 --> 03:20:46,680
Speaker 4: some of the news articles about it, and I guess

3822
03:20:46,680 --> 03:20:48,160
Speaker 4: it has something to do with the law that was

3823
03:20:48,200 --> 03:20:51,280
Speaker 4: passed at the time that allowed him and this other

3824
03:20:51,320 --> 03:20:54,520
Speaker 4: guy to kind of skatee. But it didn't necessarily exonerate them.

3825
03:20:54,640 --> 03:20:56,160
Speaker 4: I mean it did in the legal sense, but not

3826
03:20:56,200 --> 03:20:57,600
Speaker 4: in the public perception sense.

3827
03:20:58,959 --> 03:21:03,320
Speaker 16: Yeah, it'sbviously it's difficult. We had the nothing on that scale.

3828
03:21:03,440 --> 03:21:05,720
Speaker 16: Obviously we had to navigate the Jay Rudd situation the gym,

3829
03:21:05,760 --> 03:21:08,560
Speaker 16: which are very difficult with being Nicky Rod's brother, we

3830
03:21:08,600 --> 03:21:09,440
Speaker 16: had some problems there.

3831
03:21:09,480 --> 03:21:13,480
Speaker 5: But yeah, like it is, it's a difficult area to

3832
03:21:13,560 --> 03:21:13,920
Speaker 5: work through.

3833
03:21:14,200 --> 03:21:14,640
Speaker 1: Understand.

3834
03:21:14,720 --> 03:21:18,080
Speaker 5: Like, it's like if we were to find individuals in

3835
03:21:18,080 --> 03:21:18,360
Speaker 5: the sport.

3836
03:21:18,440 --> 03:21:21,720
Speaker 16: Without skeletons in the closet, we probably have no event unfortunately,

3837
03:21:21,720 --> 03:21:23,680
Speaker 16: you know. And there has been some pushback in a

3838
03:21:23,720 --> 03:21:26,760
Speaker 16: couple of one athlete particular that I allowed to compete

3839
03:21:26,760 --> 03:21:29,280
Speaker 16: in this event. But yeah, we did do the deal

3840
03:21:29,320 --> 03:21:31,680
Speaker 16: with Gable, so I have to take all the heat

3841
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:33,840
Speaker 16: for that. But like for the most part, like the teams,

3842
03:21:33,879 --> 03:21:36,480
Speaker 16: I'm just like I'm trying to distance myself from that

3843
03:21:36,520 --> 03:21:39,040
Speaker 16: side of things by being like I picked the coach

3844
03:21:39,080 --> 03:21:41,039
Speaker 16: the coach pixy athletes, you know. But yeah, that is

3845
03:21:41,760 --> 03:21:43,560
Speaker 16: I think that's a difficult thing for in all of

3846
03:21:43,600 --> 03:21:45,200
Speaker 16: combat sports, you know what I mean, should try to

3847
03:21:45,280 --> 03:21:48,800
Speaker 16: navigate it in people's what's happened in the past, you know, Like.

3848
03:21:48,720 --> 03:21:51,360
Speaker 1: It's no, it's a challenge for every single promoter in

3849
03:21:51,400 --> 03:21:54,039
Speaker 1: the sport. I mean, it's what do you do? Can

3850
03:21:54,040 --> 03:21:56,959
Speaker 1: you have a puritanical version of promoting? I don't. I

3851
03:21:56,959 --> 03:21:58,440
Speaker 1: don't think that you can. But where do you draw

3852
03:21:58,440 --> 03:21:58,720
Speaker 1: the line?

3853
03:21:58,760 --> 03:22:01,640
Speaker 5: It's not really yeah, yeah, I mean that's the difficult thing. Right.

3854
03:22:01,640 --> 03:22:04,080
Speaker 16: Obviously my name's on the event, but yeah, there's like

3855
03:22:04,120 --> 03:22:06,000
Speaker 16: a lot of people going into it, so it's take

3856
03:22:06,160 --> 03:22:11,160
Speaker 16: like it's it's hard to find opponents that'll all viewers in,

3857
03:22:11,240 --> 03:22:13,240
Speaker 16: you know, like, I'll have to look more into the

3858
03:22:13,280 --> 03:22:13,720
Speaker 16: gable thing.

3859
03:22:13,760 --> 03:22:16,920
Speaker 5: But yeahs far like from a person to burden. It

3860
03:22:16,920 --> 03:22:17,800
Speaker 5: sounds like a cop out.

3861
03:22:17,800 --> 03:22:19,800
Speaker 16: But he seemed like a lovely guy, so I'm not

3862
03:22:19,879 --> 03:22:22,080
Speaker 16: exactly sure the details.

3863
03:22:22,080 --> 03:22:23,000
Speaker 5: Someone actually happened.

3864
03:22:23,120 --> 03:22:25,080
Speaker 1: Tickets for CJI, how do folks get them?

3865
03:22:26,080 --> 03:22:28,080
Speaker 16: I don't know the exact link, but if you go

3866
03:22:28,360 --> 03:22:31,960
Speaker 16: to Google and you go CJI two tickets, there'll be

3867
03:22:32,000 --> 03:22:34,480
Speaker 16: two links. We actually had a few ticketing issues. So

3868
03:22:34,520 --> 03:22:37,480
Speaker 16: if you're international, try to find the international site. If

3869
03:22:37,480 --> 03:22:39,880
Speaker 16: you're a US based, find the domestic sign. But if

3870
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:42,960
Speaker 16: you use the team code words of the athletes, obviously

3871
03:22:42,959 --> 03:22:45,400
Speaker 16: they're great. They're great marketers, these athletes, they're sharing them

3872
03:22:45,440 --> 03:22:47,240
Speaker 16: every day. Have faith in them, no doubt. But you're

3873
03:22:47,240 --> 03:22:50,040
Speaker 16: get a ten percent discount if you use the athletes code.

3874
03:22:50,240 --> 03:22:52,119
Speaker 4: Well, it look the same this time as it looked

3875
03:22:52,240 --> 03:22:54,039
Speaker 4: because the same venue Thomas and Max Center. Is it

3876
03:22:54,080 --> 03:22:56,280
Speaker 4: going to put any difference in production this time?

3877
03:22:57,000 --> 03:22:58,560
Speaker 16: I mean it's gonna look the same, it's gonna have

3878
03:22:58,600 --> 03:23:01,600
Speaker 16: the same alley. Obviously, we have that war rumble factor.

3879
03:23:01,640 --> 03:23:03,680
Speaker 16: So we're right now we're going to do our final

3880
03:23:03,720 --> 03:23:07,640
Speaker 16: walk through end of July, and we're going to just brainstorm.

3881
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:08,680
Speaker 5: Because obviously we have to deal with copyright music.

3882
03:23:08,720 --> 03:23:10,879
Speaker 16: I wish we could have some John Sena ship playing

3883
03:23:10,920 --> 03:23:13,840
Speaker 16: as people they do the reveal, so we have to

3884
03:23:13,879 --> 03:23:16,520
Speaker 16: sort of navigate how we're going to do those reveals.

3885
03:23:16,680 --> 03:23:19,320
Speaker 5: You know, who knows what my walking will be. I

3886
03:23:19,320 --> 03:23:20,240
Speaker 5: haven't picked a song yet.

3887
03:23:20,240 --> 03:23:22,080
Speaker 16: I'm hoping that they can drop me from the sky

3888
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:25,320
Speaker 16: to appear behind Gable and get a head start. But yeah,

3889
03:23:25,360 --> 03:23:27,000
Speaker 16: we're going to have some fun with the production. We're

3890
03:23:27,040 --> 03:23:29,720
Speaker 16: putting a lot of effort into the creative aspect of

3891
03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:31,320
Speaker 16: the production. They don't want it to be a boring

3892
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:33,720
Speaker 16: runn of the mil cookie Cutter event.

3893
03:23:33,680 --> 03:23:35,800
Speaker 4: Right and the last but not least. If folks just

3894
03:23:35,840 --> 03:23:38,480
Speaker 4: want to get involved, learn more about the Good Fight Foundation,

3895
03:23:38,720 --> 03:23:40,400
Speaker 4: where can you send them all?

3896
03:23:40,480 --> 03:23:40,600
Speaker 5: Right?

3897
03:23:40,680 --> 03:23:42,360
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean if you look up Fair Five Foundation,

3898
03:23:42,400 --> 03:23:43,800
Speaker 16: you see our website, you see sort of the things

3899
03:23:43,840 --> 03:23:46,879
Speaker 16: we're involved in. Right now, we're really largely working with

3900
03:23:46,959 --> 03:23:49,880
Speaker 16: Guardian program. So if you want to support Guardian, they

3901
03:23:49,879 --> 03:23:51,760
Speaker 16: take donations. If you want to donate your time, if

3902
03:23:51,800 --> 03:23:56,080
Speaker 16: you're a jiu jitsu athlete or whatever, yourself you can

3903
03:23:56,080 --> 03:23:58,520
Speaker 16: go visit these schools and like, yeah, that's for me.

3904
03:23:58,560 --> 03:24:01,280
Speaker 16: It's for the most fulfilling work I've found is like

3905
03:24:02,320 --> 03:24:04,720
Speaker 16: you can have a tangible change on these kids' lives.

3906
03:24:04,720 --> 03:24:06,879
Speaker 16: So for CGI won a lot of money was donated

3907
03:24:06,920 --> 03:24:10,920
Speaker 16: to things like tap Cancer Out, which is obviously cancer research.

3908
03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:13,320
Speaker 5: We donate money to a Ukrainian children's hospital.

3909
03:24:13,600 --> 03:24:15,960
Speaker 16: But in terms of like changing the sport of jiu jitsu,

3910
03:24:16,600 --> 03:24:21,039
Speaker 16: building schools for kids around the world is something amazing

3911
03:24:21,080 --> 03:24:24,440
Speaker 16: because we can it's something tangible for people to see

3912
03:24:24,600 --> 03:24:26,640
Speaker 16: get behind, you know what I mean. Like unfortunately, like

3913
03:24:26,680 --> 03:24:29,720
Speaker 16: people just think, oh, donate to cancer researcher, dropping the bucket.

3914
03:24:30,040 --> 03:24:32,240
Speaker 16: But in terms of me building these schools, Me and

3915
03:24:32,320 --> 03:24:34,600
Speaker 16: South building these schools for kids around the world, we

3916
03:24:34,680 --> 03:24:36,080
Speaker 16: get to go there, we get to meet the kids,

3917
03:24:36,120 --> 03:24:36,440
Speaker 16: we get to.

3918
03:24:36,440 --> 03:24:38,279
Speaker 5: See how the school is helping them.

3919
03:24:38,520 --> 03:24:41,400
Speaker 16: So it's something tangible we get to kind of work

3920
03:24:41,440 --> 03:24:43,720
Speaker 16: with and really like it's quite fulfilling to see the kids'

3921
03:24:43,720 --> 03:24:44,480
Speaker 16: lives down track.

3922
03:24:44,840 --> 03:24:48,440
Speaker 1: For Brico Andres under sixty six Team Australia.

3923
03:24:47,760 --> 03:24:48,200
Speaker 5: That's it.

3924
03:24:48,240 --> 03:24:50,480
Speaker 16: That's the wildcast. Why I forgot for Resa is probably

3925
03:24:50,520 --> 03:24:52,640
Speaker 16: my favorite. He honestly is play my favorite athlete in

3926
03:24:52,640 --> 03:24:54,400
Speaker 16: the entire sport. It's one of the most exciting. He

3927
03:24:54,440 --> 03:24:57,199
Speaker 16: has this little kagi thing he does before the matches

3928
03:24:57,280 --> 03:25:00,720
Speaker 16: and in terms of a danger at sixty six, beaten.

3929
03:25:00,879 --> 03:25:04,360
Speaker 5: Young Carlo and that is as peak of wild good.

3930
03:25:04,400 --> 03:25:06,920
Speaker 4: If you can get Creig Jones, it is quite the

3931
03:25:06,959 --> 03:25:09,520
Speaker 4: heavy lift you're undertaking. I think you No, I couldn't

3932
03:25:09,520 --> 03:25:12,000
Speaker 4: imagine a better person to do it. Jiu Jitsu is

3933
03:25:12,040 --> 03:25:15,360
Speaker 4: lucky to have you don't fucking die on America's roads

3934
03:25:16,120 --> 03:25:17,160
Speaker 4: going place to place.

3935
03:25:17,240 --> 03:25:17,760
Speaker 1: But I.

3936
03:25:19,840 --> 03:25:22,800
Speaker 4: Won't tell us, but good luck with it. And think

3937
03:25:22,840 --> 03:25:25,080
Speaker 4: I know this has been an awkward setup. Thank you

3938
03:25:25,080 --> 03:25:27,040
Speaker 4: for making some time and talking to us.

3939
03:25:27,040 --> 03:25:31,600
Speaker 16: And all right, well now I got a roommate.

3940
03:25:32,000 --> 03:25:34,640
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I appreciate everyone tuning in. Craig Jones,

3941
03:25:34,800 --> 03:25:36,320
Speaker 4: thanks to all you who watched and stuck around. I

3942
03:25:36,320 --> 03:25:38,480
Speaker 4: know it was an unusual episode today, but we appreciate it.

3943
03:25:38,600 --> 03:25:41,360
Speaker 4: Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal