Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, June thirtieth, and day
Speaker 1: one of deliberations in the Diddy trial is in the books.
Speaker 1: And what a day it was. The jury was busy.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this Diddy Update edition of Amy and TJ Robes.
Speaker 1: We actually thought, you know what, we might not do
Speaker 1: a second episode today because you know, it's probably going
Speaker 1: to be quiet. It's deliberations supposed to be quiet.
Speaker 2: At first day of deliberations, they're all just getting to
Speaker 2: know each other, trying to feel each other out.
Speaker 3: Maybe they did a first little you know, meet and greet. Nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 4: We had not one, not two.
Speaker 2: We had three notes from the jury in five hours
Speaker 2: of deliberations today.
Speaker 1: But the doozy was the one they sent after just
Speaker 1: being back there an hour together. Folks. This was actually
Speaker 1: this is actually probably romes right in line with what
Speaker 1: the case has been. The jury has been called all
Speaker 1: kinds of issues, sick, getting kicked off, maybe getting kicked off,
Speaker 1: somebody late, child issues, no transitionshes, transition shoes. So here
Speaker 1: we go again. So they go back this morning, they
Speaker 1: get the case, deliberations are underway, and then rolled within
Speaker 1: one out they pick a four person. Fine, that's one thing,
Speaker 1: and first of all, tell everybody who they did.
Speaker 2: They did pick a it's not a form a foreman,
Speaker 2: you know, that's how they usually would refer to that person.
Speaker 2: But it's a four person specifically because it is a
Speaker 2: forty two year old.
Speaker 3: She is a woman of color, She lives.
Speaker 2: In Manhattan, she works in a nursing home, and she
Speaker 2: is a mom of two. The only other interesting thing
Speaker 2: I saw on all of the fun facts you get
Speaker 2: from the jurors, who are of course anonymous, is that
Speaker 2: she was ticketed for an open container fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: But she likes hip hop music.
Speaker 2: She is the four person and seems like they picture
Speaker 2: relatively smoothly and quickly, and.
Speaker 1: So she is the one in charge of the group
Speaker 1: that's not in charge of deciding did He's fate? So
Speaker 1: they sent their first real note out robes that in
Speaker 1: an hour, And it was another how many times would
Speaker 1: use the word jaw drop doozy a doozy during this
Speaker 1: trial during testimony, and the jury within one hour almost
Speaker 1: hit us with a number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was like seventy minutes to the minute,
Speaker 2: But yes, an hour and ten minutes they already send
Speaker 2: a note to the judge that says, we have a
Speaker 2: juror number twenty five that we are concerned cannot follow
Speaker 2: your honors instructions?
Speaker 1: What do you figure that out? An hour? What does
Speaker 1: that exactly mean? And also, let's go to this first
Speaker 1: ropes jury number twenty five. Do you have it up?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, which one jurre number twenty five is we have joked?
Speaker 4: Possibly?
Speaker 2: Well, he's at least the most educated member formally educated
Speaker 2: member of the jury. He has his PhD in molecular biology.
Speaker 2: He is a scientist, a practicing veterinarian. He lives in
Speaker 2: Manhattan with his partner, and he likes classical music.
Speaker 1: This is not a dumbass.
Speaker 2: This is not somebody who doesn't know how to follow instructions.
Speaker 1: Nope, nope.
Speaker 4: He is a scientist.
Speaker 2: That is exactly and precisely what scientists do. They follow
Speaker 2: instructions because they know how important they are.
Speaker 1: It's actually a particular skill they have to have. He
Speaker 1: is perfectly qualified to be on a jury. What happened
Speaker 1: in one hour that they collectively got together and said
Speaker 1: we need to do something about one of our members
Speaker 1: in an hour. In an hour.
Speaker 2: It's baffling. The only thing I could think of. We
Speaker 2: were trying to come up with scenarios. I'm sure many
Speaker 2: of you at home were doing the same thing. Was like,
Speaker 2: if he walked in there and said, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: I think he's guilty on all accounts, and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to even consider anything. You all are saying, if
Speaker 2: he just maybe already had such a formed opinion, and
Speaker 2: maybe he announced it to the group, Like, y'all can
Speaker 2: go ahead and deliberate all you want and talk all
Speaker 2: you want and hash everything out. I already know what
Speaker 2: my verdict is or what I'm voting for on every count.
Speaker 2: What else could it is that we have been That's
Speaker 2: the only thing I can think of.
Speaker 1: That's sure. Did you just go in and say Nope,
Speaker 1: I refuse to deliberate, or nope, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: follow those struc What could you do in an hour?
Speaker 1: You just don't have time.
Speaker 3: To Unless he thinks he's smarter than the judge.
Speaker 1: He is he an elected of biology. Yes, he's the
Speaker 1: smartest person in the room. Fine, you got it.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe he thinks he knows more and better,
Speaker 2: and maybe he was being a bit of.
Speaker 4: A jerk because of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's hard to imagine how it went
Speaker 2: off the rails like that, because wouldn't that be embarrassing,
Speaker 2: Like you're you're the jury for a person. You guys
Speaker 2: have just gone back. You know everyone's watching you already. Dad,
Speaker 2: he won't play fair. Dad, tell him to stop. Because
Speaker 2: what the juror, actually, what the four person asked was
Speaker 2: that she could please come talk to the judge.
Speaker 4: Or she asked if the judge.
Speaker 2: Would interview during number twenty five, she was already asking
Speaker 2: him to intervene, which is significant. It wasn't a question
Speaker 2: about procedure, a question about the evidence or testimony. It
Speaker 2: was saying, please help us, we've got we've got a problem.
Speaker 2: Juror here who won't play fair?
Speaker 1: You say it was a black woman or woman?
Speaker 4: I saw a woman of color, a.
Speaker 1: Woman of color, Okay, I'm just curious. This is the
Speaker 1: black woman.
Speaker 4: So so what did what?
Speaker 1: Please? Like, no, no, no, I'm just I could you know
Speaker 1: I got a black woman in my life that would
Speaker 1: be like, huh huh, I ain't got time for this
Speaker 1: right now, I ain't got time for this, like you
Speaker 1: come get them, or I can see.
Speaker 4: That this is uh okay okay.
Speaker 2: So how did the judge of the judge gets this question.
Speaker 2: He lets the prosecution and the defense see it, and
Speaker 2: then they have to hammer out how they wanted to
Speaker 2: respond back to the jurors.
Speaker 1: Everything has to be negotiated, yes, even an and sir
Speaker 1: has to be negotiated now, so they did come up
Speaker 1: with something everybody agreed to. The judge came out and said, hey,
Speaker 1: it turns out both of you guys pretty much came
Speaker 1: up with the same language, but he didn't like some
Speaker 1: particular language from the defense. That ends up they did
Speaker 1: end up taking it out.
Speaker 2: Yes, so they went with more of the prosecution's version,
Speaker 2: which was basically, please just go.
Speaker 4: Back and deliberate.
Speaker 2: You know, my rules are my rules, like, kind of
Speaker 2: figure it out for yourselves. But the defense wanted to
Speaker 2: add that there should be some note, Hey, y'all just.
Speaker 3: Started deliberating, can you figure it out?
Speaker 2: The judge didn't want to put any pressure on the jury,
Speaker 2: suggesting that somehow the issue is that they've had an
Speaker 2: issue too quickly.
Speaker 3: He didn't want them to feel pressure.
Speaker 2: For that, so they just said, hey, go back, please
Speaker 2: try to follow my instructions, Please continue to deliberate.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm giving this judge all kinds of credit.
Speaker 1: Of course, he has to play the referee for the
Speaker 1: two sides. But I thought this was a good bit
Speaker 1: of therapy, or this a good bit of in handling them.
Speaker 1: He said, No, I don't want them to feel like
Speaker 1: we're being dismissive of a concern they have by just
Speaker 1: saying you just started keep going, He said, he wanted
Speaker 1: to acknowledge. I thought, yeah, I guess I've talked to
Speaker 1: a lot of therapists over the years, but that sounds
Speaker 1: like exactly, you have to immediately validate somebody's concern.
Speaker 2: He validated that. It's okay that you came back in
Speaker 2: seventy minutes. Please tell me how you're feeling right now. Okay,
Speaker 2: I heard you. Now, please just go back and try
Speaker 2: to figure it out. So it was kind of just
Speaker 2: that back and forth, and then we were waiting to
Speaker 2: hear what the jury was going to do.
Speaker 4: And a third note.
Speaker 2: It was a third round of notes, because there were
Speaker 2: two notes in this third edition. Basically, the easy one was, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to end at five pm and we'd like
Speaker 2: to come back again at nine am.
Speaker 3: So they gave the judge their schedule for today.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Now you know, if they if
Speaker 1: they go with that schedule, they go to work nine
Speaker 1: to five.
Speaker 4: It sounds like that's what they are going to want
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 2: So then though, in that third little pile of notes,
Speaker 2: there was a second note, and that was a.
Speaker 1: Question, and that one's really interesting. They're asking for clarity
Speaker 1: on something that you and I have gone back and
Speaker 1: forth about on several episodes of this podcast. What does
Speaker 1: that mean to be a drug distributor? And they specifically
Speaker 1: are asking what's the language that's being used here? They say,
Speaker 1: if a person asks for a controlled substance and another
Speaker 1: person gives it to the person who's requesting it, is
Speaker 1: the person who hands over that controlled substance considered to
Speaker 1: be distributing drugs? Wow, that's what are we to make.
Speaker 1: The prosecution obviously say.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but we've talked about this because how many times,
Speaker 2: you know, have you even let's just say it's advil, right,
Speaker 2: and say I want advil, I ask you to go
Speaker 2: get it for me. You go get the advil, give
Speaker 2: it to me. I have the ad bil, but now
Speaker 2: my daughter has a headache, so I give her some
Speaker 2: of the advil.
Speaker 4: Who's the distributor me or you.
Speaker 1: This is what they're dealing with. This is what they're
Speaker 1: dealing with. Yeah, even if you get past that legal
Speaker 1: question and is still a distributor, he's a distributor. But
Speaker 1: then if you're looking at these technicalities, are you then
Speaker 1: asking yourself? Am I going to send him to prison
Speaker 1: for the rest of his life for that? That's a
Speaker 1: human question, is it not?
Speaker 2: It sounds like a human question. They are looking for
Speaker 2: the legality behind it. And by the way, now the
Speaker 2: judge has to sit with the prosecution and the defense
Speaker 2: and once again come up with a solution for an answer,
Speaker 2: because what does the judge say to this, Well, that
Speaker 2: all again has to be negotiated, and so that's happening,
Speaker 2: and they will then come up with whatever answer they
Speaker 2: want to give that they've collectively agreed upon tomorrow morning
Speaker 2: at nine am. Because I was asking, when court comes
Speaker 2: back in session tomorrow, does the jury is there a
Speaker 2: formal like, hey, everybody, the jury's seated, ditties, their families,
Speaker 2: their judges, their prosecution, defense and then if there's anything
Speaker 2: that has to be worked out, they work it out
Speaker 2: and then the jury goes to the deliberation room.
Speaker 3: But there's that immediate or initial meeting.
Speaker 1: Don't they have to call court back into session. They
Speaker 1: have to, They have to write, so that means they
Speaker 1: got to make sure and confirm for the record that
Speaker 1: everybody is present. Jury heads back for them.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: I think that makes sense, and then that would be
Speaker 2: the moment tomorrow morning at nine am that the judge
Speaker 2: would give the answer to the jury to their question.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're trying to figure that thing
Speaker 1: out that you and I went back and forth about
Speaker 1: so often. Who is a distributor? A distributor of drugs
Speaker 1: is should it be reserved for people who are trying
Speaker 1: to distribute drugs to the larger community? A money dealer
Speaker 1: for money. If he hands a pill to his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: that's drug distribution under a racketeering charge that could ultimately
Speaker 1: land him in jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 1: You ask it that way, and that has to be
Speaker 1: a way that the jury is looking at it beyond
Speaker 1: just one pill. Okay, he's a drug distributor and he's
Speaker 1: a mocking pin.
Speaker 2: That's tough, yes, because it has to be either Yes,
Speaker 2: it has to be at one of the drug offenses,
Speaker 2: and then it has to be one of the other
Speaker 2: seven offenses, and both of those had to take place
Speaker 2: with a co conspirator.
Speaker 4: It's it is very confusing.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like they are still right now and
Speaker 2: it's five hours of deliberations. They are clearly in the
Speaker 2: racketeering section right now because that's the only time drugs
Speaker 2: come up is under that charge. So obviously that is
Speaker 2: what they have been deliberating. Was that racketeering charge, the
Speaker 2: one that carries the potential life in prison for Diddy?
Speaker 1: Good point, they started with the heavy one. That is,
Speaker 1: with out of doubt one hundred percent what they are
Speaker 1: working on. It has to be.
Speaker 2: That's the only that's the only point in which drugs
Speaker 2: would be of consideration. Well, I'm just saying, I was
Speaker 2: like thinking, I wonder how much we're going to get
Speaker 2: to know. It's so interesting trying to figure out where
Speaker 2: they are. What's happened now to Juror twenty five? Is
Speaker 2: he playing nice now? Has he decided to collaborate and
Speaker 2: to try to deliberate with them and or at least
Speaker 2: I don't know, agree to not have his mind completely
Speaker 2: made up.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 2: I wonder when we'll find out and who will tell
Speaker 2: us like, that's where I've already jumped to.
Speaker 1: There are they're going to have to and we talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier. Robes all they have to prove that
Speaker 1: he or feel like he was guilty of two of yes,
Speaker 1: eight crimes to Ford to be racketeering, and one of
Speaker 1: them is the drug distribution charge, right, yes, So that
Speaker 1: means they are hung up on that point at least
Speaker 1: trying to decide whether or not he's guilty of that one.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 1: Is he a drug distributor or not? Is he or not?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Rose, I'm looking at this question. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to decide as a juror, and legally speaking, the
Speaker 1: prosecution says, yes, yes, this is fascinating. Yes, I gave
Speaker 1: a pill to my girlfriend. I'm a mob boss.
Speaker 2: You had to do it more than once, right, I
Speaker 2: think it had to have happened twice with the amount.
Speaker 1: If he does not matter one pill and they think
Speaker 1: he's guilty of the arson at kid cutty his car,
Speaker 1: and that's two and that counts. That's wild bribery, kidnapped.
Speaker 1: There was so many Oh my goodness, you all we're
Speaker 1: trying to keep a handle on it and We're trying
Speaker 1: to keep you all straight. And look, if we sound
Speaker 1: confused sometimes, I'm sure you all are confused too. We're
Speaker 1: just going to be confused together. So this is not
Speaker 1: necessarily a place to come to get clarity, but maybe
Speaker 1: a misery.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, we talk it out. We talk it
Speaker 2: through whatever we're reading. But we are looking at all
Speaker 2: the different accounts from the courtroom and they do vary
Speaker 2: from here to there. But it's been a fascinating day.
Speaker 2: We thought it might be quiet. The jury did not disappoint.
Speaker 2: They've certainly caused quite a bit of interest throughout the
Speaker 2: trial and it looks like that is going to continue
Speaker 2: as we watch them from just a few blocks away deliberate.
Speaker 2: It'll be back at nine am again tomorrow, and of
Speaker 2: course we will continue to keep you updated throughout the
Speaker 2: day on all things Diddy as.
Speaker 4: The jury deliberates. I made me roboch for my partner T. J. Holmes.
Speaker 4: We hope you all have a wonderful night.