WEBVTT - “The Diddy Trial: No verdict, but 3 Notes in 5 Hours! BONUS EDITION!!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Monday, June thirtieth, and day

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<v Speaker 1>one of deliberations in the Diddy trial is in the books.

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<v Speaker 1>And what a day it was. The jury was busy.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to this Diddy Update edition of Amy and TJ Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually thought, you know what, we might not do

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<v Speaker 1>a second episode today because you know, it's probably going

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<v Speaker 1>to be quiet. It's deliberations supposed to be quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>At first day of deliberations, they're all just getting to

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<v Speaker 2>know each other, trying to feel each other out.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they did a first little you know, meet and greet. Nope, nope, nope.

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<v Speaker 4>We had not one, not two.

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<v Speaker 2>We had three notes from the jury in five hours

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<v Speaker 2>of deliberations today.

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<v Speaker 1>But the doozy was the one they sent after just

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<v Speaker 1>being back there an hour together. Folks. This was actually

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually probably romes right in line with what

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<v Speaker 1>the case has been. The jury has been called all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of issues, sick, getting kicked off, maybe getting kicked off,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody late, child issues, no transitionshes, transition shoes. So here

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<v Speaker 1>we go again. So they go back this morning, they

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<v Speaker 1>get the case, deliberations are underway, and then rolled within

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<v Speaker 1>one out they pick a four person. Fine, that's one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and first of all, tell everybody who they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They did pick a it's not a form a foreman,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's how they usually would refer to that person.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a four person specifically because it is a

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<v Speaker 2>forty two year old.

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<v Speaker 3>She is a woman of color, She lives.

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<v Speaker 2>In Manhattan, she works in a nursing home, and she

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<v Speaker 2>is a mom of two. The only other interesting thing

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<v Speaker 2>I saw on all of the fun facts you get

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<v Speaker 2>from the jurors, who are of course anonymous, is that

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<v Speaker 2>she was ticketed for an open container fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>But she likes hip hop music.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the four person and seems like they picture

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<v Speaker 2>relatively smoothly and quickly, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So she is the one in charge of the group

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<v Speaker 1>that's not in charge of deciding did He's fate? So

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<v Speaker 1>they sent their first real note out robes that in

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<v Speaker 1>an hour, And it was another how many times would

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<v Speaker 1>use the word jaw drop doozy a doozy during this

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<v Speaker 1>trial during testimony, and the jury within one hour almost

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<v Speaker 1>hit us with a number.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it was like seventy minutes to the minute,

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, an hour and ten minutes they already send

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<v Speaker 2>a note to the judge that says, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>juror number twenty five that we are concerned cannot follow

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<v Speaker 2>your honors instructions?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you figure that out? An hour? What does

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<v Speaker 1>that exactly mean? And also, let's go to this first

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<v Speaker 1>ropes jury number twenty five. Do you have it up?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, which one jurre number twenty five is we have joked?

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<v Speaker 4>Possibly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's at least the most educated member formally educated

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<v Speaker 2>member of the jury. He has his PhD in molecular biology.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a scientist, a practicing veterinarian. He lives in

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<v Speaker 2>Manhattan with his partner, and he likes classical music.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a dumbass.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not somebody who doesn't know how to follow instructions.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, nope.

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<v Speaker 4>He is a scientist.

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly and precisely what scientists do. They follow

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<v Speaker 2>instructions because they know how important they are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually a particular skill they have to have. He

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<v Speaker 1>is perfectly qualified to be on a jury. What happened

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<v Speaker 1>in one hour that they collectively got together and said

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do something about one of our members

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<v Speaker 1>in an hour. In an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>It's baffling. The only thing I could think of. We

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to come up with scenarios. I'm sure many

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<v Speaker 2>of you at home were doing the same thing. Was like,

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<v Speaker 2>if he walked in there and said, I'm sorry, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's guilty on all accounts, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to even consider anything. You all are saying, if

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<v Speaker 2>he just maybe already had such a formed opinion, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he announced it to the group, Like, y'all can

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and deliberate all you want and talk all

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<v Speaker 2>you want and hash everything out. I already know what

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<v Speaker 2>my verdict is or what I'm voting for on every count.

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<v Speaker 2>What else could it is that we have been That's

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing I can think of.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sure. Did you just go in and say Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>I refuse to deliberate, or nope, I'm never going to

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<v Speaker 1>follow those struc What could you do in an hour?

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<v Speaker 1>You just don't have time.

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<v Speaker 3>To Unless he thinks he's smarter than the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>He is he an elected of biology. Yes, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>smartest person in the room. Fine, you got it.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe maybe he thinks he knows more and better,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe he was being a bit of.

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<v Speaker 4>A jerk because of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's hard to imagine how it went

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<v Speaker 2>off the rails like that, because wouldn't that be embarrassing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're you're the jury for a person. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>have just gone back. You know everyone's watching you already. Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>he won't play fair. Dad, tell him to stop. Because

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<v Speaker 2>what the juror, actually, what the four person asked was

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<v Speaker 2>that she could please come talk to the judge.

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<v Speaker 4>Or she asked if the judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Would interview during number twenty five, she was already asking

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<v Speaker 2>him to intervene, which is significant. It wasn't a question

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<v Speaker 2>about procedure, a question about the evidence or testimony. It

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, please help us, we've got we've got a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Juror here who won't play fair?

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<v Speaker 1>You say it was a black woman or woman?

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<v Speaker 4>I saw a woman of color, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Woman of color, Okay, I'm just curious. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>black woman.

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<v Speaker 4>So so what did what?

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<v Speaker 1>Please? Like, no, no, no, I'm just I could you know

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<v Speaker 1>I got a black woman in my life that would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, huh huh, I ain't got time for this

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<v Speaker 1>right now, I ain't got time for this, like you

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<v Speaker 1>come get them, or I can see.

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<v Speaker 4>That this is uh okay okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did the judge of the judge gets this question.

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<v Speaker 2>He lets the prosecution and the defense see it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they have to hammer out how they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>respond back to the jurors.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything has to be negotiated, yes, even an and sir

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<v Speaker 1>has to be negotiated now, so they did come up

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<v Speaker 1>with something everybody agreed to. The judge came out and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out both of you guys pretty much came

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<v Speaker 1>up with the same language, but he didn't like some

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<v Speaker 1>particular language from the defense. That ends up they did

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<v Speaker 1>end up taking it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so they went with more of the prosecution's version,

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<v Speaker 2>which was basically, please just go.

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<v Speaker 4>Back and deliberate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my rules are my rules, like, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out for yourselves. But the defense wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>add that there should be some note, Hey, y'all just.

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<v Speaker 3>Started deliberating, can you figure it out?

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<v Speaker 2>The judge didn't want to put any pressure on the jury,

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting that somehow the issue is that they've had an

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<v Speaker 2>issue too quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't want them to feel pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>For that, so they just said, hey, go back, please

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<v Speaker 2>try to follow my instructions, Please continue to deliberate.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm giving this judge all kinds of credit.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he has to play the referee for the

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<v Speaker 1>two sides. But I thought this was a good bit

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<v Speaker 1>of therapy, or this a good bit of in handling them.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, No, I don't want them to feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we're being dismissive of a concern they have by just

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<v Speaker 1>saying you just started keep going, He said, he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge. I thought, yeah, I guess I've talked to

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of therapists over the years, but that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like exactly, you have to immediately validate somebody's concern.

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<v Speaker 2>He validated that. It's okay that you came back in

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<v Speaker 2>seventy minutes. Please tell me how you're feeling right now. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I heard you. Now, please just go back and try

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<v Speaker 2>to figure it out. So it was kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>that back and forth, and then we were waiting to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what the jury was going to do.

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<v Speaker 4>And a third note.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a third round of notes, because there were

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<v Speaker 2>two notes in this third edition. Basically, the easy one was, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to end at five pm and we'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to come back again at nine am.

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<v Speaker 3>So they gave the judge their schedule for today.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? Now you know, if they if

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<v Speaker 1>they go with that schedule, they go to work nine

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<v Speaker 1>to five.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like that's what they are going to want

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So then though, in that third little pile of notes,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a second note, and that was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Question, and that one's really interesting. They're asking for clarity

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<v Speaker 1>on something that you and I have gone back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth about on several episodes of this podcast. What does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean to be a drug distributor? And they specifically

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<v Speaker 1>are asking what's the language that's being used here? They say,

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<v Speaker 1>if a person asks for a controlled substance and another

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<v Speaker 1>person gives it to the person who's requesting it, is

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<v Speaker 1>the person who hands over that controlled substance considered to

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<v Speaker 1>be distributing drugs? Wow, that's what are we to make.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution obviously say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, but we've talked about this because how many times,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have you even let's just say it's advil, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and say I want advil, I ask you to go

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<v Speaker 2>get it for me. You go get the advil, give

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<v Speaker 2>it to me. I have the ad bil, but now

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter has a headache, so I give her some

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<v Speaker 2>of the advil.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's the distributor me or you.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what they're dealing with. This is what they're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with. Yeah, even if you get past that legal

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<v Speaker 1>question and is still a distributor, he's a distributor. But

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<v Speaker 1>then if you're looking at these technicalities, are you then

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<v Speaker 1>asking yourself? Am I going to send him to prison

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of his life for that? That's a

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<v Speaker 1>human question, is it not?

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a human question. They are looking for

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<v Speaker 2>the legality behind it. And by the way, now the

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<v Speaker 2>judge has to sit with the prosecution and the defense

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<v Speaker 2>and once again come up with a solution for an answer,

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<v Speaker 2>because what does the judge say to this, Well, that

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<v Speaker 2>all again has to be negotiated, and so that's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and they will then come up with whatever answer they

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<v Speaker 2>want to give that they've collectively agreed upon tomorrow morning

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<v Speaker 2>at nine am. Because I was asking, when court comes

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<v Speaker 2>back in session tomorrow, does the jury is there a

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<v Speaker 2>formal like, hey, everybody, the jury's seated, ditties, their families,

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<v Speaker 2>their judges, their prosecution, defense and then if there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>that has to be worked out, they work it out

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<v Speaker 2>and then the jury goes to the deliberation room.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's that immediate or initial meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't they have to call court back into session. They

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<v Speaker 1>have to, They have to write, so that means they

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<v Speaker 1>got to make sure and confirm for the record that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is present. Jury heads back for them.

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<v Speaker 4>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that makes sense, and then that would be

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<v Speaker 2>the moment tomorrow morning at nine am that the judge

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<v Speaker 2>would give the answer to the jury to their question.

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<v Speaker 1>But it sounds like they're trying to figure that thing

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<v Speaker 1>out that you and I went back and forth about

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<v Speaker 1>so often. Who is a distributor? A distributor of drugs

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<v Speaker 1>is should it be reserved for people who are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to distribute drugs to the larger community? A money dealer

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<v Speaker 1>for money. If he hands a pill to his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>that's drug distribution under a racketeering charge that could ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>land him in jail for the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>You ask it that way, and that has to be

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<v Speaker 1>a way that the jury is looking at it beyond

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<v Speaker 1>just one pill. Okay, he's a drug distributor and he's

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<v Speaker 1>a mocking pin.

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<v Speaker 2>That's tough, yes, because it has to be either Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be at one of the drug offenses,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it has to be one of the other

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<v Speaker 2>seven offenses, and both of those had to take place

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<v Speaker 2>with a co conspirator.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it is very confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it sounds like they are still right now and

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<v Speaker 2>it's five hours of deliberations. They are clearly in the

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<v Speaker 2>racketeering section right now because that's the only time drugs

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<v Speaker 2>come up is under that charge. So obviously that is

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<v Speaker 2>what they have been deliberating. Was that racketeering charge, the

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<v Speaker 2>one that carries the potential life in prison for Diddy?

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<v Speaker 1>Good point, they started with the heavy one. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>with out of doubt one hundred percent what they are

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<v Speaker 1>working on. It has to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only that's the only point in which drugs

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<v Speaker 2>would be of consideration. Well, I'm just saying, I was

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<v Speaker 2>like thinking, I wonder how much we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to know. It's so interesting trying to figure out where

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<v Speaker 2>they are. What's happened now to Juror twenty five? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he playing nice now? Has he decided to collaborate and

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<v Speaker 2>to try to deliberate with them and or at least

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, agree to not have his mind completely

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<v Speaker 2>made up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder when we'll find out and who will tell

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<v Speaker 2>us like, that's where I've already jumped to.

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<v Speaker 1>There are they're going to have to and we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this earlier. Robes all they have to prove that

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<v Speaker 1>he or feel like he was guilty of two of yes,

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<v Speaker 1>eight crimes to Ford to be racketeering, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is the drug distribution charge, right, yes, So that

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<v Speaker 1>means they are hung up on that point at least

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<v Speaker 1>trying to decide whether or not he's guilty of that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he a drug distributor or not? Is he or not?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Rose, I'm looking at this question. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to decide as a juror, and legally speaking, the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution says, yes, yes, this is fascinating. Yes, I gave

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<v Speaker 1>a pill to my girlfriend. I'm a mob boss.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to do it more than once, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it had to have happened twice with the amount.

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<v Speaker 1>If he does not matter one pill and they think

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<v Speaker 1>he's guilty of the arson at kid cutty his car,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's two and that counts. That's wild bribery, kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 1>There was so many Oh my goodness, you all we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to keep a handle on it and We're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you all straight. And look, if we sound

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<v Speaker 1>confused sometimes, I'm sure you all are confused too. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to be confused together. So this is not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily a place to come to get clarity, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a misery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh yes, we talk it out. We talk it

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<v Speaker 2>through whatever we're reading. But we are looking at all

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<v Speaker 2>the different accounts from the courtroom and they do vary

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<v Speaker 2>from here to there. But it's been a fascinating day.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought it might be quiet. The jury did not disappoint.

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<v Speaker 2>They've certainly caused quite a bit of interest throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>trial and it looks like that is going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>as we watch them from just a few blocks away deliberate.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be back at nine am again tomorrow, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course we will continue to keep you updated throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>day on all things Diddy as.

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<v Speaker 4>The jury deliberates. I made me roboch for my partner T. J. Holmes.

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<v Speaker 4>We hope you all have a wonderful night.