WEBVTT - The Fed Pivots, BOE & ECB Decisions, Biden Impeachment Inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning. It's Thursday, the fourteenth of December here in London.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Bloomberg Daybreak you at podcast. I'm Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>Hipki and.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today.

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<v Speaker 3>The Fed holds rate steady and gives the clearest signal

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<v Speaker 3>yet that the next move will be lower.

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<v Speaker 1>The focus shifts to the Bank of England and the

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<v Speaker 1>ECB to see if they will follow Powell's pivot.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus the cat clawback UBS steps up efforts to recoup

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<v Speaker 3>bonuses from credit sueee to factors.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with a round up of our top stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Federal Reserve policymakers expect seventy five basis points of rate

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<v Speaker 3>cuts next year, according to their latest dot plot forecast.

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<v Speaker 3>The pivot comes as the Central Bank opted to hold

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<v Speaker 3>rates steady at Wednesday's meeting at a range of five

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<v Speaker 3>and a quarter to five and a half percent Federal

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<v Speaker 3>Reserve charge your own. Powell and says tightening remains an

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<v Speaker 3>option if price pressures return, but says the FOMC has

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<v Speaker 3>also begun discussing when to ease.

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<v Speaker 4>The question of when will it become appropriate to begin

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<v Speaker 4>dialing back the amount of policy restraint in place that

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<v Speaker 4>begins to come into view and is clearly a topic

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<v Speaker 4>of discussion now in the world and also a discussion

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<v Speaker 4>for US at our meeting today.

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<v Speaker 3>Powell used his press conference to emphasize the rate cut

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<v Speaker 3>projections are not a pre set plan, and one inflation

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<v Speaker 3>has come down, it's still too high. The prospect of

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<v Speaker 3>easing policy drove an extended overnight rally and treasuries with

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<v Speaker 3>ten year yields by falling below four percent for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time since August.

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<v Speaker 1>The Fed's rhetorical pivot has led to a surge in stocks, bonds,

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<v Speaker 1>and currencies and one of the biggest post meeting rallies

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<v Speaker 1>in recent memory. Virtually no corner of financial markets has

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<v Speaker 1>been left out of the cross asset advance. Global shares

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<v Speaker 1>have spiked hard, front end treasuries have posted their biggest

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<v Speaker 1>day since March, and currencies of surge against the dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Rosenberg, black Rock Systemic Multi Strategy fund portfolio manager

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<v Speaker 1>says that he expects that to continue.

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<v Speaker 5>There are some vulnerabilities, but the message and the concern.

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<v Speaker 5>No one's looking at the vulnerabilities. They're looking at the validation,

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<v Speaker 5>and so with that validation, this Polish sentiment can go

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<v Speaker 5>on for a while until we get a new round

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<v Speaker 5>of economic data, and until then, I think the message

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<v Speaker 5>is pretty clear that the FED is more than willing

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<v Speaker 5>to see an easy in financial conditions won't step in

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<v Speaker 5>the way of that.

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<v Speaker 1>As Blackrocks Jeff Rosenberg hinted, there there is no guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>that the rally will last, but markets have piled into

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<v Speaker 1>rate cut wages numerous times over the past two years,

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<v Speaker 1>only then to be caught flat footed when the Fed

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<v Speaker 1>didn't change tack.

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<v Speaker 3>Turning to the Bank of England, markets have fully priced

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<v Speaker 3>in one hundred basis points of rate cuts from the

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<v Speaker 3>MPC next year. Soft GDP data drove those bats higher.

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg's senior UK economist Dan Hansen says UK growth in

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<v Speaker 3>October was weaker than all the analysts had expected.

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<v Speaker 6>It sort of be all economist expectations in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>how negative it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the thing that struck me.

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<v Speaker 6>Though, when I opened the release, was how broad based

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<v Speaker 6>the weakness was.

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<v Speaker 2>The broad picture.

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<v Speaker 6>The broad takeaway is that services, manufacturing, and construction all

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<v Speaker 6>fell and you've got weakness across the board.

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<v Speaker 3>Blombergs down Hanson, adding as while the economic weakness is

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<v Speaker 3>extremely unlikely to affect the rate decision itself, it may

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<v Speaker 3>lead to a more dovish split among policy makers well.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's European Central Bank decision is also being watched for

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<v Speaker 1>how forcefully policymakers push back against bets on interest rate cuts.

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<v Speaker 1>The former ECB president Jean Claude Triche thinks that Christine

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<v Speaker 1>Legarde and others could cut rates before the FED in.

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<v Speaker 7>The US for many reasons. We have still a level

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<v Speaker 7>of core inflation, for instance, that is now significantly superior

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<v Speaker 7>to gore inflation in Europe four point two instead of

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<v Speaker 7>three point six. It's not absurd to think that the

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<v Speaker 7>first decrees of rates could be in Europe instead of

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<v Speaker 7>in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Charc Claude Triche, adding that markets who are still overdoing

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<v Speaker 1>bits that the ECB will reduce rates as early as March.

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<v Speaker 3>China's economy also seems to be losing momentum. High frequency

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<v Speaker 3>data suggests industrial output figures due will be worse than

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<v Speaker 3>pre COVID levels, and the economic weakness will trigger calls

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<v Speaker 3>for stimulus to meet President She's five percent growth goal

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<v Speaker 3>for next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, to some politics, a drive to impeach the US

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<v Speaker 1>president is now formally authorized. In a vote on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans in the US House elected to escalate a probe

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<v Speaker 1>into Joe Biden that has been underway for several months.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking on the House floor yesterday, the Minority Leader Hakim

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffries pointed to former President Donald Trump as a key

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<v Speaker 1>influence on proceedings.

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<v Speaker 8>We are here today on the House floor wasting time

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<v Speaker 8>and taxpayer dollars on an illegitimate impeachment inquiry because Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 8>the puppet master, has directed extreme maga Republicans to launch

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<v Speaker 8>a political hit job.

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<v Speaker 1>New York Democrat Hakim Jeffries also questioned the legitimacy of

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<v Speaker 1>the inquiry. The investigation focuses on the finances of the

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<v Speaker 1>first family, particularly the present sun hunter. Biden himself denounced

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<v Speaker 1>the inquiry as quote a baseless attack.

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<v Speaker 3>UBS has stepped up an effort to recoup hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars in cash bonuses that credit sweee paid

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<v Speaker 3>to retain deal makers before the Landers collapse, the story

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<v Speaker 3>from Bloomberg's Charlie Pallace.

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<v Speaker 9>According to those sources and documents seen by Bloomberg, UBS

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<v Speaker 9>has contacted hundreds of bankers and offered some multi year

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<v Speaker 9>payment plans amid efforts to clawback a chunk of the

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<v Speaker 9>one point two billion Swiss franks in restricted cash bonuses

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<v Speaker 9>known internally as upfront cash awards. The document show the

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<v Speaker 9>bank's outside law firms are reaching out to staffers who

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<v Speaker 9>voluntarily left the firm and threatening legal action if the

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<v Speaker 9>required amounts are not delivered. In New York Charlie Pellette

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<v Speaker 9>Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>In a moment, we'll get more in today's Central Bank decisions,

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<v Speaker 3>but first, as we're thinking about the Bank of England's

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<v Speaker 3>decision today, interesting to see the latest data on the

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<v Speaker 3>UK property markets. Property surveyors the most optimistic they've been

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<v Speaker 3>on future house sales in almost two years. This is

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<v Speaker 3>mortgage rates have just come off their peak. Now haven't

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<v Speaker 3>dropped dramatically, but certainly have come down from the high levels.

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<v Speaker 3>The average five year mortgage rate now down closer to

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<v Speaker 3>five percent from a peak of six point one percent

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<v Speaker 3>in July. So it does look like this slow puncture

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<v Speaker 3>is still happening in the market, but perhaps we're turning

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<v Speaker 3>to more of a stabilization than perhaps the bigger falls

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<v Speaker 3>we had been expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard, isn't it? To come out with new

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<v Speaker 1>superlatives all the time. But this is quite extraordinary in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the whiplash in financial markets. You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>were some even you thought there were going to be

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<v Speaker 1>there was going to be a big crash and the

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<v Speaker 1>housing market at the start of the year. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was an outlie of you. But now much more

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<v Speaker 1>stabilization as we come to the end of the year

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<v Speaker 1>than many had thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed these the lates sigures in the Royal Institution of

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<v Speaker 3>Chartered Surveyors. But I would also note our colleagues reporting

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<v Speaker 3>on the high end country home market fast becoming part

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<v Speaker 3>of the nation's property slumper home and luxury country destinations

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<v Speaker 3>less likely to sell above a tasking price than a

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<v Speaker 3>home in London's most affluent discus districts. And that's the

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<v Speaker 3>first time that's happened since twenty fifteen. Okay, case Caroline,

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<v Speaker 3>you were thinking about investing in a country place.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a moment in the pandemic, there really was,

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<v Speaker 1>But no, that moment has passed. I suspect. Right, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the FED. The pivot is real from the

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<v Speaker 1>steepest rate increases in decades to contain surging inflation to

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<v Speaker 1>your own power and his colleagues issued for Coast showing

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<v Speaker 1>a series of cuts would be likely next year. Joining

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<v Speaker 1>us now to discuss Sploomberg opinion columnist Daniel Moss. Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>great to have you with us on the program this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Fed pivots at the door. Seventy five basis

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<v Speaker 1>points potentially of cards, no US recession. This is surely

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<v Speaker 1>an early Christmas presence for the markets.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, the Christmas present actually began before one of the

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<v Speaker 10>clips you played earlier. His comment about having discussed how

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<v Speaker 10>they might begin to cut came in response to a question.

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<v Speaker 10>There was a real tell though, in his introductory statement

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<v Speaker 10>when Powell said, for the first time, or rather he

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<v Speaker 10>characterized the current level of interest rates for the first

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<v Speaker 10>time certainly that I've heard as been quote well into

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<v Speaker 10>restrictive territory. Now what's the significance of the Well, it

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<v Speaker 10>means they can kind of have it both ways. They

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<v Speaker 10>can cut and still say they're in restrictive territory. If

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<v Speaker 10>at current levels they are well into restrictive terrors and

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<v Speaker 10>things flowed from there once the Q and A began.

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<v Speaker 10>But yes, your remark about no recession. Now he was

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<v Speaker 10>at Paines Jay Poweller. So he wasn't declaring victory, but gosh,

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<v Speaker 10>some of the way he framed the economics of twenty

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<v Speaker 10>twenty three, sure sounded like he was feeling pretty satisfied.

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<v Speaker 10>So it's all but a declaration of victory. He noted

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<v Speaker 10>how much inflation had come down. He didn't think the

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<v Speaker 10>US is in recession now. He also observed that around

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<v Speaker 10>about a year ago, many people forecast there would be

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<v Speaker 10>one no sign of it yet, according to him, so

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<v Speaker 10>you know, it's not mission accomplished, but it's I could

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<v Speaker 10>have had a worse holiday.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's slight bit of I told you so as well,

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<v Speaker 3>coming from Jerome Powell.

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<v Speaker 2>If we look at the market reaction.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel two, we're looking at the ten year yields below

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<v Speaker 3>four percent for the first time since August.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we be thinking about this for next year?

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Gundlax call for tenure yields and the low three

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<v Speaker 3>percent range by next year.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I would say, what is most important is the direction.

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<v Speaker 10>So remember last year in twenty twenty two, I believe

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<v Speaker 10>it was when the ten year yield breached four percent,

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<v Speaker 10>and the other direction was like, oh my god, the

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<v Speaker 10>world's going to hell. Well, okay, now we've just breached

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<v Speaker 10>four percent a little bit on the other side, and

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<v Speaker 10>it's happy days of here again. So you know, context

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<v Speaker 10>can sometimes be missing in very exciting moments like this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>J Powell also flagged you know what's going to be

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<v Speaker 10>one of the real debates as we get into twenty four,

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<v Speaker 10>which is really, you know, how much has changed. He

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<v Speaker 10>was asked whether the neutral rate of interest, after everything

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<v Speaker 10>we've been through in the past couple of years, has

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<v Speaker 10>changed very much. He sort of almost sounded like some

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<v Speaker 10>of his academic predecessors Janet Ylen or Ben Bernanky rather

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<v Speaker 10>than a private equity guy and a lawyer that he is.

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<v Speaker 10>He said, well, it's one of the great fascinating historical

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<v Speaker 10>questions we're going to be debating that this year, which

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<v Speaker 10>left you know something in my mind along the lines

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<v Speaker 10>of what maybe we should be doing a column like,

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<v Speaker 10>maybe not much has really changed at all. Low interest

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<v Speaker 10>rates could be back, transitory might even be resurrected.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that would be extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, back back from Elba.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of Pal's commentary in and of itself, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that that effectively is acting as a rate

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<v Speaker 1>cut in markets. I mean again, is this You know

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<v Speaker 1>we had the conversation going in the other direction too

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<v Speaker 1>on this one.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, when we were previewing this meeting, I suggested

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<v Speaker 10>that he would probably lean against rate cut speculation because

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<v Speaker 10>the speculation is already there and he doesn't want markets

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<v Speaker 10>to be seen to be getting carried away. Well, you

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<v Speaker 10>know I was off the mark on that one. He

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<v Speaker 10>just leaned right into it. The clip you played earlier.

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<v Speaker 10>Initially the question was what makes him so convinced that

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<v Speaker 10>their hiking work is done? He explained that they thought

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<v Speaker 10>it basically was, and then he leant right in without

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<v Speaker 10>a follow up question, saying, well, then once you can

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<v Speaker 10>see that, then the next point is, you know when

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<v Speaker 10>you start thinking about cuts. I'm like, well, okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 10>he's just leant into it. No point in hiding from it.

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<v Speaker 10>Pretty impressive actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, remember opinion colonomist Daniel Mass, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>for joining us with your thoughts on yesterday's Federal Reserve decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Well from the Fed to a pack day to day

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<v Speaker 1>for central bank decisions in Europe, all of them now

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<v Speaker 1>with the pressure to pivot themselves towards rate cuts too.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring in Blomberg's chief europe economist Jamie Rush the ECB. First,

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<v Speaker 1>what can we expect from this final meeting of the year.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think we're where they're going to be responding

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<v Speaker 11>to the way the FED has described the outlook, and

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<v Speaker 11>so I mean the last thing we heard from Leguard

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<v Speaker 11>was that we wouldn't see any rate cuts for a

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<v Speaker 11>couple of quarters. Well, Powell said similar things even in

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<v Speaker 11>the run up to the latest FMC meeting and subsequently

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<v Speaker 11>changed his view. So I think it's quite possible that

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<v Speaker 11>we will see a shift in the restoric at the ECB,

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<v Speaker 11>but I don't think it will be quite as they'll

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<v Speaker 11>be quite as willing to fully embrace market pricing for

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<v Speaker 11>rate cuts early in the years as the FED has been,

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<v Speaker 11>So I think there'll be a little bit more inertia,

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<v Speaker 11>but I think that pivot is coming and so we

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<v Speaker 11>will be probably seeing rate cuts in the first half

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<v Speaker 11>the year.

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<v Speaker 3>We also got new forecast Jamie from the ECB as well.

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<v Speaker 3>What will you be looking at for.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I think we'll get long term inflation forecasts. They

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<v Speaker 11>roll forward a year, so that will give us a

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<v Speaker 11>sense of whether they feel confident that they've the policies,

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<v Speaker 11>the streets of enough. I mean, they certainly almost will

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<v Speaker 11>show the inflation is close to two percent at the

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<v Speaker 11>end of the forecast period, so from their perspective, it

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<v Speaker 11>will be job done on rate hikes. But again it's

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<v Speaker 11>that question about when is the rate first rate coming

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<v Speaker 11>and then and then how fast will it be? I

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<v Speaker 11>think that's the next that's the next bone of contention

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<v Speaker 11>with markets is not just when it will happen, but

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<v Speaker 11>whether we're looking at one rate cut quarter or whether

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<v Speaker 11>we're looking at one rate cutter meeting.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the Bank of England, a huge challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>high inflation, a stagnant economy, and now one hundred basis

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<v Speaker 1>points of cuts priced in for the UK next year. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>So I mean the UK is in a slightly different

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<v Speaker 11>position for everyone because we seems to have the worst

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<v Speaker 11>of both worlds in the sense that we had that

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<v Speaker 11>huge supply shop which pushed inflation up, and then we

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<v Speaker 11>had that interacting with a very tight labor market the

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<v Speaker 11>same wage growth above eight percent. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 11>we're looking at a slightly stickier outlook for the UK.

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<v Speaker 11>At the same time, if the global mood music is

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<v Speaker 11>changing the Bank of Ving is not going to be

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<v Speaker 11>a me to that, so I think we again we'll

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<v Speaker 11>be seeing some discussion of the possibility that raycards are coming,

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<v Speaker 11>and maybe a little bit less of this table mountain

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<v Speaker 11>nonsense that we've been hearing about for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the splitsbeen policymakers, Jamie, Yes.

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<v Speaker 11>They'll probably still be slightly divided, and there has been that.

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<v Speaker 11>There hasn't been unanimity at the banking for a while,

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<v Speaker 11>so I'll expect that to continue.

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