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The Colin Coward Podcast, 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: presented by The Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, welcome 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: in a lot to talk about Baker Mayfield traded to 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: Carolina battle Sam Darnald. They were in the same draft 14 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: class with a starting quarterbacks spot. We believe that Matt 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: Rule will keep around both quarterbacks, not Trede Darneld. Mike 16 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: Silver's coming up. He's got thoughts and insight on that, 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: and great stuff on Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance. Fantastic 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: insight and information you perhaps have not heard. I'll drop 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: a dime on Justin Fields that I heard recently. Very 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: interesting out of Chicago. So here's my takeaway and Baker Mayfield, 21 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Darnald and Baker Mayfield. I was a Darnald fan over 22 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: a Baker fan. Darnold was a bigger athlete, he was stronger, 23 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: he was more athletic, and I thought he was a 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: better guy. I think all of those are true. The 25 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: question about Darnald was his delivery slow, methodical, not tebow slow, 26 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: but just inaccurate, kind of reckless. That's proven to be true. 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was considered a better thrower, but he was 28 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: a two time walk on chip on his show. Older 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: in those instances, he's become exactly what we thought, but 30 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: he has a better delivery system, he gets rid of 31 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the ball quicker, he's got a little more zip on it, 32 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: and historically he's been a little bit more accurate, although 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: his accuracy has dipped in the last year. You know, 34 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: my takeaway is Darnald and Baker Mayfield, regardless of whose 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: right or what do you think, we know what they are. 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: There is no quarterback in the last ten years that 37 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: has come into the league and after four years we 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: radically change our mind. It doesn't happen. Name one. Very 39 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: early we said with Lamar Jackson, whoa, but we had 40 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: issues how he threw the ball, and can you play 41 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: from behind when you're more runner than thrower. That's what 42 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: we think today. People often use Josh Allen as an example. Boy, 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: he's struggled in year one. Yeah, he wasn't overly accurate, 44 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: but he was still six six and leaped over people 45 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: with the best arm arguably in the NFL. There is 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: no way you could look at Josh Allen in year 47 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: one and bail on him. He was simply too talented. 48 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: He was literally too talented. He would be like a 49 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: great wide receiver that had the drops. You've got to 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: coach the drops out of him. But if you're running 51 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: a four to three, you're six to four, you're run 52 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: great routes. You just have a drop issue. Nobody's bailing 53 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: on you. Okay, nobody was bailing on Josh Allen. It's different. 54 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Baker's small, Sam's big, but he's not strikingly big. He 55 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: didn't have a great arm, he's not wildly mobile. The 56 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: bottom line with Baker and Darnold, we know what they are. 57 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: One's a little snarky and immature, limitations with size limitations athletically. 58 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Baker one of them is a good guy, pretty athletic, 59 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: decent size, but his delivery system stinks. He just gets 60 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: rid of the ball slowly, and that half beat that 61 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: works in the twelve kills you in the NFL. So 62 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: what I've found through years of doing this for a living, 63 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: everybody wants to be right. A lot of me was 64 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: right on Baker, a lot of me was wrong on 65 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. But the truth is we know what they are. 66 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: If you're clinging to the Sam Donald's going to be 67 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback and a good one, it's not going 68 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: to happen. If you're clinging to Baker, he's going to 69 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: prove Coward wrong, You're wrong. Cleveland had excellent offensive personnel 70 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: and he was never spectacular with it. Carolina is a 71 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: bit of a mess. They had the thirty first ranked 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: offensive line. I like Christian McCaffrey, but he's never healthy. 73 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson's good, but not spectacular, and we don't even 74 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: think he likes Baker. May feel Matt Rule, who knows 75 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: if he can coach at the NFL level. So in 76 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: our insistence to be right as right on Baker as 77 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: wrong on Arnold, but we all know the answer now 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: on both neither is good enough to carry a franchise 79 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: to multiple playoff wins. Baker won a playoff game surrounded 80 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: by at the time the highest rated offensive line and 81 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: the best running back duo. We know what they are. 82 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: It's time to stop trying to prove each other wrong. 83 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: And with that, I bring in the newest member of 84 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the volume, my friend Mike Silver, longtime NFL reporter. Open 85 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: Mike is his new podcast on the volume, already interviewed 86 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Ram's head coach Sean McVay Cowboys star receiver Ceedee Lamb. 87 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: All right, Mike, So this morning I'm hosting my show 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: and right in the middle of it, I'm talking about 89 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: there's seven eight teams Baker Mayfield could land with, and 90 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of my rant, he lands in Carolina. 91 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: My first takeaway is this, They paid five million dollars 92 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: for him, meaning he could have been had by anybody 93 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: in the league, and Carolina was the only real team interested. 94 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: Is that reasonable? Well, they were more interested, or they 95 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: got interested enough to the point where they wanted to 96 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: remove any possibility that he'd go elsewhere, and or you know, 97 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: there's there's a real advantage in getting going getting him 98 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: the playbook, having him, you know, giving him a little 99 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: time before training camp to start acclimating to all that 100 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: and talking to his coaches. But before I was officially 101 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: part of the Volume family. And by the way, I'm 102 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: extremely elated about that. But you and I did one 103 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: of these and literally we heard the Tavante Adams trade 104 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: news in real time, and I think it became kind 105 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: of a joke on Twitter by reaction because I was like, 106 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, like, whoa man. So I do love when 107 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: that happens. You know. One of the things I reported 108 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:05,239 Speaker 1: a few ago is that owners were so bitter about 109 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the Deshaun Watson guaranteed contract, ay that it was a 110 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: guaranteed deal, b that it was a player with you know, 111 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: going through so off the field stuff that knowing that 112 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: the Browns were also on the hook for Baker's eighteen 113 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: plus guaranteed that owners were saying, we're not bailing you 114 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: out of this. We're not gonna It's not that we 115 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: don't think five million dollars for Baker Mayfield is a 116 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: good deal for us this season, even with leverage. It's 117 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: that you guys made your band, and we're gonna make you. 118 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: Lye in it now, it would standard reason that the 119 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: one owner willing to buck that sensibility would be David Tepper, 120 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: the guy who enraged his new Piers earlier by paying 121 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Matt Rule so much money when he hired him. So 122 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: I think it made sense though for the for the Panthers. Look, 123 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: if you want him, if you think he's better than 124 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: what you got, and especially if you're Matt Rowland, you 125 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: really need to win this year. What are you waiting for? 126 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: It's interesting. Bucky Brooks came on my show and he said, 127 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: I think Sam Darnold's gonna beat him out. He said 128 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: he's more impressive physically, he has relationships in the building. 129 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Baker's gonna have to learn a new offense with a 130 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: new coordinator, has no relationships. In fact, Robbie Anderson badmouthed him, 131 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: and he said, I think it's going to be a 132 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: quarterback battle. I don't think Baker Mayfield has been given 133 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: the starting job. What's your take? Well, first of all, 134 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: I think the Robbie Anderson who bashed him was Robby Anderson. 135 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: He's now Robbie, which is in fact the better way 136 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: to spell Robbie. I have a son who would agree 137 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: but so maybe maybe we'll give Rob b Ie Anderson 138 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. But yeah, I understand what 139 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: Bucky's saying. He's so smart about, you know, the intricacies 140 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: of playing the game and scouting the game. But I also, 141 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: you know, I hearkened back to what I think it 142 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: was a commander's related quote with Taylor Heineke said about 143 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: him and Carson Wentz, which is they asked him, hey, 144 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: do you think you could compete with Carson Wentz? And 145 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: he's like, dude, look at what he's making and look 146 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: at what I'm making. No, now it's not quite that 147 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: pronounced obviously with Donald and Baker, you know, in similar situations. 148 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: But the Panthers went out and got Baker for a reason. 149 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: It's not insurance in case Sam Donald doesn't beat him out. 150 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: They've seen Sam Darnold, they've seen Cam Newton coming back, 151 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: they've seen Teddy Bridgewater. They think they need to get better, 152 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: and they are absolutely intending for Baker to be that guy. 153 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: And in fairness to Baker, you know, last year he 154 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: probably wasn't right. He did have the shoulder injury, he 155 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: got it it out, he tried to help the team, 156 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: and now it's being used against them. The year before 157 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: he had a pretty good year. So he's been uneven 158 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: even when healthy. And it's gonna you know, it's it's 159 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: not any sure thing, especially as you alluded to with 160 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: your conversation with Bucky new playbook, got to do it 161 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: in a compressed time. But I do think he's got 162 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: a chance here to seize this and get it rolling 163 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, you know, one of the my 164 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: takeaways was, you know, he's not going to have Cleveland's 165 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: offensive line, but he does get another offensive coach. And 166 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: if you look at some of the defensive head coaches, 167 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Belichick struggled with Brady at the end, Pete Carroll struggled 168 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: with Russ, Zimmer struggled with Cousins Flora, struggled with Tua. 169 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: It's not the worst landing spot. It's a pretty wonky division. 170 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Mike Brady retires in a year, Baker, an argument can 171 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: be made in a year will be the best quarterback 172 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: talent in the division. And I mean is that crazy? 173 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I might argue Jamis on talent um. 174 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: You know, Jamis has his scars too, right, he threw 175 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: all the interceptions he has had some off the field stuff. 176 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: He's coming off at acl But really, once Sean Payton 177 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: got a hold of him, he's looked better. Man. He's 178 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: an ultra talented guy. Probably if you you know, didn't 179 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: know anything about um, you know their performances, and you 180 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: just line the two guys up to former number one 181 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: overall picks, you go, I'll take the tall guy with 182 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: that arm coming off the knee. But um, you know 183 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: the thing I wonder about is Baker's edge, right, Like 184 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: he's done better when he's been the aggrieved deflicted, you know, underdog, 185 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: no one believes in me, and that is clearly gonna 186 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: have to uh, you know, he's gonna have to recalibrate 187 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: that and probably is you know, he's he's definitely has 188 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: to have some humility now. And you know, look, we've 189 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: all we've all had moments where that's happened to us 190 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: in our careers, and you know, you have to you 191 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 1: have to deal with it. It doesn't work out the 192 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: way you thought it would somewhere, and you know you 193 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: have to kind of process that within yourself. But he 194 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: kind of thought when he got to Cleveland, I'm taking over. 195 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: This is my thing, and it was going on a 196 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: good trajectory for a while uneven but two years ago 197 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: when they were in the playoff game in Kansas City, 198 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: it was like, whoa, they just beat Pittsburgh in the playoffs, 199 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: and now they're they're fighting tooth and nail with the Chiefs. 200 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: We're here to stay. In Baker's eyes, I'm sure he's thinking, 201 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: I tried to be a team guy and took you know, 202 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: sucked it up and played hurt, and now you turn 203 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: your back on me. But it's really hard for me 204 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: to shed too many tears for Baker, knowing how he 205 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: behaved early on in his career. And I know you 206 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: and I were two of the only people even tearing 207 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: to say these things back then. But you know, as 208 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: someone who's pretty close to Hugh Jackson, I thought it 209 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: was ridiculously disrespectful the way he acted in the wake 210 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: of Hugh Jackson's firing and then hiring by the Bengals 211 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: and then showing them up on the sidelines, and just 212 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: going out of his way to try to, you know, 213 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: torture a guy who had just had his career implode 214 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: in a really disadvantageous situation in Cleveland. And we could 215 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: relitigate that, and there are a lot of reasons who 216 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: didn't do well there. Some of them are because of who, 217 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: some of them were institutional. But I as I said 218 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, there was there was talk 219 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: that same year that say, John Harbaugh could get fired 220 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: during the season, and I said, imagine if John harbad 221 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: gotten fired, had landed with a division rival was standing 222 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: on the sidelines and Lamar Jackson was just blatantly taunting 223 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: him and disrespecting during the game after the game, I 224 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: think that would have played a little differently in society 225 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: for obvious right. Yeah, No, I mean, listen, Baker's got 226 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: a maturity issue. 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Am I reaching there? You know, 271 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't know they could, but I also think if 272 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: you're Cleveland. You made that trade for more than twenty 273 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: twenty two. Clearly you made that trade thinking we just 274 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: got a guy for a decade or more. We're willing, 275 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, players on the in the locker room don't 276 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: want to hear this, but we're willing to sacrifice twenty 277 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: twenty two if it means having Deshaun Watson, you know, 278 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: good to go after that. I also believe it had 279 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: gotten so toxic with Baker that they, you know, this 280 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: whole notion that well, we might not have Deshaan, let's 281 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: make up with Baker, and like, dude, that wasn't happening. 282 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: Baker's not the type first of all, that you partly 283 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: because of his edge and partly because he's smart. You know, 284 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna go to Baker and be like, buddy, 285 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: we love you, man. But and I think that they 286 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: probably like Jacoby precent enough that they're thinking, luck, if 287 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: we have to play eight games with Jacoby precente, if 288 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: we have to play seventeen, if we have to play six, 289 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: we're just gonna do it. I think it's it's bigger 290 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: than that. And really, the Deshaun Watson hijacking of an offseason, 291 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: think of the ripple effects. So the Browns ended up 292 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: breaking up with Baker because of their successful pursuit of Deshaun, 293 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: and really, had they not succeeded, it probably would have 294 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: happened anyway. It was that bad. The Falcons had a 295 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: guy who was super loyal to them through thick and thin. 296 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Go Matt Ryan, just go. You know what, man, you 297 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: guys were trying to replace me. I don't really want 298 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: to be here anymore. Yeah, I'm open to going to 299 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: Indy Cool. So that possibly impacts the Colts in a 300 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: very good way. You know, the Falcons are now well 301 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariona's our guy, or maybe this young fella here, 302 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, and that's you know, I know that's easy 303 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: for us to laugh at. But Arthur Smith a very 304 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: promising young coach. His career is on the line a 305 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: little bit, or at least this first stop as a 306 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: head coach, the Saints went after him. Well, Javis is 307 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: coming off the ACL and Javis, you know, has some 308 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: damage in his past. So I think they're able to 309 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: be like, yo, Javis, we just thought we could get 310 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: to shop, but we still really like you. We like 311 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 1: you more than taste them. So there's that so they 312 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of survived it. But the Panthers also went hard 313 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: after Deshaun. Then they were kind of like Sam Buddy, Sammy, 314 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Sammy Sam Sam the man. Oh wait, we'll just take 315 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: the Browns leftovers now that they won the pursuit. So really, 316 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: just Sean Watson has had a major impact on the 317 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two season, even if he doesn't play. I'll 318 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: throw another angle at you that they acquired Baker to play. 319 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: They've seen Darnald, as you noted, and they're gonna move 320 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. Now your take on that, I mean, I 321 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: think Sam Darnold's trade value is not what they would 322 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: love it to be. I think if you're Matt Rule, 323 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: you gotta look at it. You know. If I'm Att Rule, 324 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, look, I gotta win this year. So that 325 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: means if Baker doesn't work out or if he's hurt, 326 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: who's my guy? Is it? PJ? Walker? I don't even 327 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: know if he's stall the roster. You know, do I 328 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: call Cam Newton get him off the couch. I think 329 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: your best bet if you're Matt Rule at Survival, if 330 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: Baker isn't available, is still Sam Darnald. Yeah, it is 331 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: Sam Darnald the kind of personality who you can coexist with, 332 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: who's gonna take these you know twice now you've you've 333 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, tried to replace him this time successfully. Is 334 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: he going to be a toxic presence? Is he not 335 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: going to be able to function? No? I think Sam 336 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Dnald probably will go with the flow and deal with 337 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: it like he did last year. So you could probably 338 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: have him on the roster. Your owner is going to 339 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: pay the money. So if I'm at rule, I'm not 340 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: looking to move him now. If I could move him 341 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: for a different backup that I thought was promising, you know, 342 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: I would look at that, or and or if you 343 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: get a you know, Bridgewater Bradford situation. And I hate 344 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: to keep, especially in this context with Carolina, but I 345 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: hate to keep invoking Teddy's you know, horrible injury here. 346 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: But Teddy Bridgewater suffers a ruinous injury right before the 347 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: start of his season, and the Eagles are preparing to 348 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: roll with Sam Bradford and have Carson Wentz weight and 349 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Vikings are like, we need 350 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Help, here's a first round pick. And Howie 351 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: Roseman's like, sure, you could have Sam Bradford Bradford for 352 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: that one, we'll just play cards. What So that is 353 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: certainly not a situation that is normal, but it's plausible. 354 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: So you could just hold them and hope that something 355 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: like that happens. And by the way, if you're the 356 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: forty nine ers with Jimmy at this point, you may 357 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: be looking at that too, because your options now, if 358 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: no one's going to come get Jimmy and Carolina is 359 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: off the market, your options are hope that someone changes 360 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: their mind, like the text Ins or the you know, 361 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: maybe maybe the Browns if you know, Deshaun suspended for 362 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: a whole year. Or you can try to get Jimmy 363 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: to take less when he has no reason to and 364 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: keep them as a hedge, which I think Kyle would 365 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: probably rather do if I'm Kyle that, you know, with 366 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: a team built to win now, as much as I 367 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: got to be all in for Trey Lance, that's probably 368 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: what i'd want if I were Kyle. I don't know 369 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: if that works, or you cut him and you know, 370 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: maybe he goes to Seattle. I don't know if you care. 371 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: If you're the Niners at this point, I don't think 372 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, we're so scared to give them 373 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: to our division rival, which seems to be taking the season. 374 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know that they're in a 375 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: great situation in terms of movie Jimmy now either. And 376 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: what I was told by someone very familiar with the 377 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: Panthers thinking as this what along is there was a 378 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of positive sentiment for Jimmy Garoppolo in that building 379 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: and that it was a pretty you know, legitimate conversation 380 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: as to Jimmy or Baker. But the arm surgery that 381 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy had after the season scared them away. And you know, 382 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: again a coach coaching for his job in Matt Rule, 383 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: they were like, are we going all in for a 384 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: guy who's coming off surgery to his throwing shoulder and 385 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: we haven't seen throw. I don't think we can do it. Well, 386 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: you're always connected to the Niners. My takeaway, I think 387 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: you and I probably disagree on this is my takeaway 388 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: is you can't own the room as a quarterback if 389 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: another guy is in the room who everybody likes. And 390 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: Garoppolo is really a dude's dude. He's a guy's guy, 391 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: and to me, you've got to find out if Trey 392 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: Lance can play, and you can't ask him to own 393 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: a room when the world's best looking, coolest dudes two 394 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: cubicles away. I think the Niners have to just move 395 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: off of Garoppolo and get a six round pick. I 396 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: completely hear you. But this is the counterpoint, and this 397 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: is the conundrum. So you've got a team that is 398 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: built to win. Now, this is the window, George Kittle, 399 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: you don't know how long he's gonna do this. You 400 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: know you've got guys signed for this moment, and you 401 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: were good enough to win. Now, if Jaquisky Tart, you know, 402 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: catches the interception, you might have won it last year. 403 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: You almost wanted two years earlier. Yes, you are all 404 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: in on Trey Lance. Whether or not that was the 405 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: person when you traded those three first rounders that you 406 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: were envisioning, could have been Mac Jones. Again, I won't 407 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: relitigate that, but whatever it is, you did that for 408 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: Trey Lance. So you are all in. You are built 409 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: to win. Now, let me add another weird element to this. 410 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: You are constructed offensively to take advantage of Jimmy Garoppolo's 411 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: unique gifts, incredible accuracy, willingness to hang in the guts, 412 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: to deliver a ball in tight spaces and the uncanny 413 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: ability to do that accurately. So Jimmy's not perfect. We 414 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: can talk about what he doesn't do great. He does 415 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: those things great, like Elite and you've got Debot, You've 416 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: got Auk because it after the catch guy, You've got 417 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: you on the backside, You've got Kittle. All these guys 418 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: could get the ball in tight spaces and go. So 419 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: that's what Jimmy does great. And so if you've seen 420 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: Trey Lance practice now for a whole year, yeah, I 421 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: believe this is what you think if you're Kyle and 422 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: the Niners coaches. In fact, I know you think he 423 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: is really smart. We love that he is athletically awesome. 424 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: He has a great arm. We're not sure that he 425 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: can take that great arm and throw that ball in 426 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: those tight spaces really accurately. And if and so that's 427 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: the only reason I think, deep in his heart, Kyle 428 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: may want it to hedge because your team is to build. Now, 429 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to because of what you said, 430 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: which is very logical, And I don't think even if 431 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,959 Speaker 1: he wants to, he'll be able to because I think 432 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy will force the issue as nice as he is, 433 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: and I think all of that's right, But if you're 434 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: an Ero fan, it's a little scary because you were, 435 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, you were sitting there nicely at Sofi Stadium, 436 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: watching your team with a ten point leader the NFC 437 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: Championship game against the rival, and thinking we're going with 438 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, and Jimmy, this is amazing, and now 439 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: you're going, okay, So we're basically playing Russian Roulette here. 440 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: We are either gonna be in awesome shape with this 441 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: young guy eventually and hopefully the windows still open, or 442 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: we traded three ones for a guy who's not able 443 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: to do what our team was constructed to have the 444 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: quarterback do, and by the time we fix that, everyone's 445 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: gonna be gone. That's a scary feeling. Well, you and 446 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: I may have the same source and may not, but 447 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: I've I've said when I saw Trey Lance play, esthetically, 448 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: it's ugly. It's not Philip Rivers ugly, but it's not 449 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: a pretty delivery. It's really rough. Secondly, what you're saying 450 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: is what I'm hearing is that he's not His delivery 451 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: is they're kind of rebuilding it. He gets armed fatigue. 452 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: It's not an easy throws. He needs days off, and 453 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 1: they're worried about his accuracy. You and I are here 454 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: in the same things because you and I know Annie 455 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: Reid moved off Alex Smith who gone to the playoffs 456 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: because they were at practice. They saw mahomes right. Yeah, 457 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: by the way, Buffalo, even though Josh Allen struggled first year, 458 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: was all in because they were at practice. And I 459 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: want to caution fans here, what happened with Josh Allen 460 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: is a as far as I know, such an anomaly 461 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: that it is a once in forever thing that a 462 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: fifty five percent passer could be a seventy percent passer 463 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: like that. Like they say, you can't coach accuracy, Brian 464 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: Daball apparently can and as a head coach because of 465 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: it now. But that was weird what happened with Josh Allen. 466 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: But for the most part it is you know, it's 467 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: tough to get way, way more accurate now. The arm 468 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: fatigue is a really interesting thing, and I have heard 469 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: that too, and I just would again, like so people 470 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: don't think this is just the two of us, you know, 471 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. Yeah, let's just look at some facts. You know, 472 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: last year they were going to use a tray lance package. 473 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: They were thrilled about it. Yeah, they were that was 474 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: going to be a big, big weapon for them. They 475 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: started out doing it, and then they just stopped. So 476 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: something happened to convince Kyle Shanahan I don't gain by 477 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: putting tray lance in Situationally. Another thing that happened is 478 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: they were three and five and I went to the 479 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: game that dropped him to three and five at home 480 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: against the Cardinals. They looked flat, They looked done. Their 481 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: playmakers weren't making plays. They look like a dead team. 482 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: And usually when you're when you look like a dead 483 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: team and you traded three first round picks for a 484 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: promising rookie, the you know, the eight the march before 485 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: we know what happens. Jimmy, you're on the bench. Tray 486 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: last Let's see. Now, they hung with Jimmy, they beat 487 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: the Rams, they got well, they made the run. So 488 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe Kyle was a half away from doing that anyway. 489 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: But the fact to me that they stopped using trey 490 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: Lance at all and they didn't put them in when 491 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: the season was crossed up tells me they were seeing 492 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: something that was concerning let me add one other thing 493 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: to the mix. Deebo, Samuel got really upset and we're 494 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: still not sure why, and I'll try to find out 495 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: once we start doing actual, you know, live journalism again 496 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: now that we're fighting through, you know, the understandable access 497 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: issues caused by by the pandemic. But maybe Debo is 498 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: upset because he wants to get paid now. And the 499 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: reason he feels an urgency is because he knows Jimmy 500 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: can get him that ball right in a way that 501 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: you know sets him up for lots and lots of damage. Hey, 502 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: this is this is the Stefon Diggs issue. Stefan's life, right. 503 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: I got a quarterback that doesn't throw deep. Josh Allen 504 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: he wanted out of Kirk Cousins. He's like, he didn't 505 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: throw the deep ball. I go deep. Yeah, And it 506 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: couldn't be schemes sometimes, like like Hollywood Brown. I think 507 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: was like, Yo, your scheme won't let Lamar use me 508 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: the way that I want to be used. And I 509 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: don't mean to compare Hollywood Brown too Diggs and Debo, 510 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: because unless I'm crazy, he's not that level. But yeah, 511 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: I think you know, there's a reason Debo felt so 512 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: strongly and so urgently about it. And there may be 513 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: other reasons that I hope to be able to tell 514 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: you exactly what they are in due time. But in 515 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: the meantime it also makes me one, Well, You've got 516 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: good sourcing on Baker, good sourcing on Garoppolo, and so 517 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: for people listening, this feels like the first real football 518 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: podcast I have done this year. It's exciting. This week's 519 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: gold medal performance goes to one of my favorite quarterbacks 520 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: who's now entering elite NFL territory. Brett Farve says, receiver 521 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: Davante Adams will take a step back with Derek Carr 522 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: as his quarterback. I say not so fast. Carr carried 523 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: the dysfunctional Raiders last year to the playoffs. 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There's a lot of attention paid 541 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: to Trey Lance, but so far in that quarterback draft, 542 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: we know Trevor Lawrence had a bad first coach, but 543 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: has real talent. We know Mac Jones may have a 544 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: low ceiling, but he's been pretty effective. The two that 545 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: we think are talents but we don't know are Trey 546 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: Lance in justin fields Well Wilson I think fits in 547 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: there too. Yeah, Zach Wilson we've seen more of. But 548 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson side is issues, competition issues, like Trey and 549 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: Justin are big, strong, mobile, push the ball down the 550 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: field guys. Yeah, how about this. The current GM of 551 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: the Bears did not draft Justin Fields. The current coach 552 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: of the Bears had no reported fondness of Justin Fields. 553 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: I have been told they're not necessarily sold on Justin Fields. 554 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: They don't know, they don't know. That's a that's that. 555 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: I would do nothing to, you know, to dispute all that, 556 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: because it's legit, right, I mean, it's legit that that 557 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: could happen. Right, They didn't pick them. Now, I presume 558 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: they had the discussions with ownership before they were hired, 559 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: and I presume ownership wanted to hear, yeah, hey, you 560 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: drafted a winner. We're gonna make them great. But we've 561 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: had that before Jake Rugen came in. It was like, 562 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: I can fix RG three. Her cousins is the guy, right, 563 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 1: So I would say this, I we don't know about 564 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: any of them. I mean, Trevor Lawrence had Urban kicking 565 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: his kicker and trading cap etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. We're gonna 566 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: have to give him a mulligan there, and people think 567 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: he's talented. Zach Wilson supposed to have incredible arm talent. 568 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: Now yeah they said, oh he's cocky. Now, by the way, 569 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: only time that all the top quarterbacks were being called 570 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: smart by everyone in my Usually it's like half and half, 571 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: like apparently all these guys are smart. So Zack Wilson 572 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: didn't look great. We're gonna have to see. They got 573 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: him a better roster this year. But jury's still out 574 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: on the top two. Trey Lance, absolutely, we just covered 575 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: that justin fields. Absolutely, Chicago, Chicago's a graveyard for quarterback. 576 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna see. And oh, by the way, Mac Jones, Now, 577 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: Mac Jones most celebrated when of his rookie year was 578 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: when he threw two passes I think two or three whatever, Yeah, whatever, 579 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: Bill did that game. And look, I know everyone says 580 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: low ceiling got back Jones, and I think this is 581 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: part of why Kyle Bay have tucked himself out of 582 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: taking them. But the real nerdy talent evaluators that I've 583 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: talked to at high levels think that he has the 584 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 1: ability to be elite in terms of pocket movement and 585 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: awareness and able to deliver the ball, ability to deliver 586 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: the ball at weird angles and tough angles under duress, 587 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: that that's not just good, that that could be special. 588 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: So there are a lot of different ways a quarterback 589 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: could be special. It's possible that mac Jones will become 590 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: special and everyone will go, well, Bill them just saw it, 591 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: and nobody else did except Kyle, who talked himself out. 592 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: Oh there I go again. But we really don't know. 593 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: They could all be good, they could all suck more 594 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: more likely than not, one or two of them will 595 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: be good, one or two of them won't one or 596 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, someone will be in the middle. But make 597 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: no mistake, the clock is ticking on all of them, 598 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: and you know some may be under more pressure than 599 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: other others. I would think Trey Lance would be under 600 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: the most pressure because of the stakes, because that team 601 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: is that good. But there's a lot still that we 602 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: don't know. And I think if you and I come 603 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: back in November and do this, you and I will 604 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: both have really strong opinions about all five. Yeah, my 605 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: guess is Trevor Lawrence has the trust of the staff, 606 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: as you put it, a mulligan, but he's just he 607 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: really looks the part on some throws. I would put 608 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: a question mark on Trey on field a little Zack 609 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: and on Mac Jones. Yeah yeah, and really Trevor, And 610 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: we think Trevor, we think Trevor's good, but I mean, 611 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, yikes, and look, you know, I don't want 612 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: to rip on Trevor. He could end up being great, 613 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: but like he kind of took a step back as 614 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: all that clown show was going on. I'm thinking what 615 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning would have done as a rookie, even when 616 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: he threw all those interceptions. If Peyton Manning had walked 617 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: into his rookie year to that, I think he would 618 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: have strangled Urban Meyer on television. I just do. I 619 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: just you know. So I like my quarterbacks to be 620 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: alpha's and Peyton would be at the extreme end of that. 621 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: And I often cite him as what would Peyton do? 622 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: You know? For example, Hey, Josh McDaniel's just called a 623 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: throwback pass to Tom Brady and the Super Bowl where 624 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: if he catches it, Malcolm Jacobs might knock him unconscious 625 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: in front of hundreds of millions of people. What would 626 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: Peyton do? Peyton's not running that route, But anyway, it 627 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: works out one more quarterback. We'll move off the young quarterbacks, 628 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: because that's essentially what this has been about. But one 629 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: more quarterback topic. Yeah, I've heard the Arizona Cardinals want 630 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: to sign Kyler Murray. It's more of an ownership issue 631 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: that they've come to terms with. Listen, he's gotten better 632 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 1: every year. He's unique. We didn't love the public crap. Hey, 633 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers goes public too. Not all these guys are 634 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,240 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and they're for the team and they're perfect stewards. 635 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: Some of these guys are going to go public. It's 636 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: the it's the reality NBA, same way some guys go public. 637 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: Some guys erased their socials, some guys don't. But I 638 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: was told by somebody I trust is that it's more 639 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: of a Bidwell issue and it's not a front office issue. 640 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: So Kyler really does like the team, he likes the people, 641 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: He likes Cliff, but it's an owner issue. What do 642 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: you here? I mean, first of all, I'm often fond 643 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: of spending other people's money. So let's acknowledge the Michael 644 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: Bidwell is the one who actually has to withdraw the 645 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: funds and he can afford it. But you know, it's 646 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: legitimate for Michael Bidwell to give it a lot of 647 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: thought it's a hard one. Colin. He's very talented. There's 648 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: a lot to love about him, and they're all in 649 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: because you know, right now with Cliff the preferred quarterback 650 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 1: and coach pairing, and they've come a long way. But 651 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Michael Bidwell, I think you got 652 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: to think about it because you go, well, two seasons ago, 653 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: he didn't really play at the end and we're not 654 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: really sure what his actual injury was and it was 655 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: a weird way to end, and we didn't make the playoffs. 656 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: And then last year we started out so well and 657 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: then it looked bad at the end, and then in 658 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: that playoff game, it just looked atrocious. And I'm not 659 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: saying that's all Kyler, but the worst thing you can 660 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: do is commit lots of cap dollars to a quarterback 661 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: who isn't good enough to elevate and transcend the weaknesses 662 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 1: that come from that, and isn't one of these top top, 663 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: top top guys. When you get anyone below that, it's 664 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: not a great thing. You'd rather have a guy in 665 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: a rookie deal and hope that he flashes in his 666 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: first few years like Kyler did. Right, So it's a 667 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: fair debate. I think the Browns went through that with 668 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: Baker right, who hasn't been as good as Kyler but 669 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: has been good at times. And I think the Browns 670 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: went into last season thinking we need this year to 671 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: know because we really don't know. And then unfortunately for Baker, 672 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: he got hurt and tried to play through it, and 673 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: we know what happened. I think if you're the Cardinals, 674 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: you would love another year to decide. But because Kyler 675 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: forced the issue earlier, um, you know, you're not sure 676 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: what's going to happen if you take your sweet time, 677 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's what's going on. If I were 678 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: Michael Bidwell, I would honestly try to do the same thing. 679 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: I'd try to to hedge on that decision as long 680 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,959 Speaker 1: as I could. Yeah, I think owners always want to hedge, 681 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: but I just think, well, no, Clark Hunt didn't want 682 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: to hedge Clark on. It was like, yeah, I'll signed 683 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: him doing five hundred year deal and he's right by 684 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: the way, Yeah that was the right move. Yeah, so well, 685 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: this is good. This is a lot of meaty stuff, 686 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks stuff. We touched on Baker, You 687 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 1: and I hearing the same thing on Garoppolo, touched on 688 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: Darnold and Carolina, touched on Kyler, touched on Justin Fields 689 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: and all the Gray Lance, Trey Lance. There's a lot 690 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: of stuff right. Mike Silver is a new member of 691 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: the Volume. Great seeing you go to work, get that journalism, 692 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: pan out, Chase pursue doggedly. It's great seeing you. I 693 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Call it the Volume. Make sure to check 694 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: out The Draymond Green Show. 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