WEBVTT - How to Disappear: Raymond Grady Stansel

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren go.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Hi Elizabeth Arnett, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just having quiet time, my head down on

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<v Speaker 3>my desk, like I finished my test early.

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<v Speaker 2>I love quiet.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you do. I know you finished your test early,

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<v Speaker 4>Love quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. Yes you know it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my goodness. Jim Morrison yeah right, yeah, period, No,

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<v Speaker 4>I liked.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to admit I was a Jim Morrison Stan

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<v Speaker 3>when I was a young man, Like I was that kid.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just found out recently that there was a

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<v Speaker 3>memorial bust of Jim Morrison at the perry Leche Cemetery

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<v Speaker 3>of Paris, and it was like a head and shoulders

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like kind of very famous.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was stolen in nineteen Yeah, it was stolen nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 3>eight and it's been gone for a long time. The

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<v Speaker 3>family eventually paid for a new one to replace it,

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<v Speaker 3>but after thirty seven years, the Paris police just found it.

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<v Speaker 3>Good job Paris police years turns out totally by mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>They were just they were serve a warrant on an

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<v Speaker 3>unrelated case. No, yeah, as they said a quote, this

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<v Speaker 3>was a chance discovery made during his search order than

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<v Speaker 3>by and examining magistrates.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the Paris quotes.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, so they just stumbled across the gym Morrison busy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, is this important?

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<v Speaker 2>It is tacking on the charges now.

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<v Speaker 4>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was a ridiculous That is ridiculous French

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<v Speaker 3>police recovery.

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<v Speaker 4>Years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Smuggling literal tons of weed? Like tons? Oh oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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<v Speaker 2>heists and cons It is always always ninety nine percent

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<v Speaker 2>murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope that.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope so too. I would like to open with

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<v Speaker 2>a reading a poem of sorts from a poet I

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<v Speaker 2>can't stand, but that I think you'll appreciate and through

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<v Speaker 2>whom this tale I tell you today resonates strongly. This

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<v Speaker 2>won't be a close reading, just a contemplation on a theme.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm prepared here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is as the son of a son of a sailor,

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<v Speaker 2>I went out on the sea for adventure, expanding the

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<v Speaker 2>view of the captain and crew like a man just

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<v Speaker 2>released from indenture. As a dreamer of dreams and a

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<v Speaker 2>traveling man. I have chalked up many a mile, read

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<v Speaker 2>dozens of books about heroes and crooks, and I learned

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<v Speaker 2>much from both of their styles.

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<v Speaker 5>Son of a son, son of a son, son of

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<v Speaker 5>a son of a sailor, son of a gun load

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<v Speaker 5>the last time, one step ahead of the jailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you. That's right. It's the lyrics to

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<v Speaker 2>the song son of a Son of a Sailor by

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Buffett, James Buffett, Jimmy Buffet.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad loved Jimmy Buffett. I can tell because he

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<v Speaker 2>was all about like sailboats in the ocean and cheeseburgers,

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<v Speaker 2>and and I think, well, then you know my nephew

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<v Speaker 2>is the son of a son of a sailorically. But

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stand Jimmy Buffett. I think I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to what I was trying to investigate this. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like Elizabeth, I always think he's a good time. Anytime

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<v Speaker 2>that you really like don't like someone, you really have

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate and think a lot of times, not all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, but many times it's the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't like about yourself or what you see in that

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<v Speaker 2>person or what you're afraid you are.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I really you're afraid you're a beach bomb

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<v Speaker 4>who at all?

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<v Speaker 2>What irks me about Jimmy Buffett, I decided, is the

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<v Speaker 2>longing that his fans feel for this like life of

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<v Speaker 2>no obligation, and then their search for it they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of abandon obligation, like the obligation to not be drunk

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<v Speaker 2>in public.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't like the divorce dad energy.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so much divorced energy, like the fans didn't or

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<v Speaker 2>don't like. Do like the infantile describing of any minor

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility as quote adulting. Sure that is nails on.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you hate that term, but the one that

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<v Speaker 4>you don't want Sunday scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday scary never I hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>I Like, I used to be in pitch meetings and

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<v Speaker 3>then people would say that that in Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 4>They'd be like, I had a real bad case.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Sunday scaries, and I'd have to keep a straight

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<v Speaker 3>face a zoom call.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just not you know me, I'm more of a

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<v Speaker 4>cowboy that I've never gone even.

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<v Speaker 2>If that life is about obligations. And I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>told you before that my big run in with a

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Buffett fan was when I was like maybe eight

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<v Speaker 2>years old and the neighbors across the street were like

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<v Speaker 2>pre partying for a Jimmy Buffett concert, and this lady

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<v Speaker 2>came up to me, like I can see her leathery

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<v Speaker 2>dec letee and like the visor over crispy bleached hair,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you can see like her bikini straps under the

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<v Speaker 2>tank top.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, if you wear a tank top over a bikini.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, and then like shorts and flip flops

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<v Speaker 2>and like an anklet and she's no, that'd be amazing. No.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was the one who said, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>unbidden walks up to a child and says, the best

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<v Speaker 2>cure for a hangover is a tuna sandwich, French fries

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<v Speaker 2>and a chocolate shake.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you've always remembered it, so apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>It is burned. It is like, yeah, but so.

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<v Speaker 4>You ever used medical advice? No, and like good advice,

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<v Speaker 4>I never got it's actually correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So if parent heads we want to hear from

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<v Speaker 2>you ridiculous crime dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, by the way, I will represent I've been to

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<v Speaker 3>multiple show I have the appeal.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Jimmy Buffett's people. Like, okay, So life is about obligations.

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<v Speaker 2>People depend on us, systems depend on our reliability. There

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<v Speaker 2>should be satisfaction in stepping up and embracing responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the cowboy adulting. Yes, this is where I'm

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<v Speaker 4>got it adulting.

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<v Speaker 2>Just do your life. The Jimmy buz Well, the aesthetic

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<v Speaker 2>of Jimmy Buffett is all about abandoning responsibility for pure

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<v Speaker 2>relaxations and enjoyment. I love to enjoy things, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I knew what relaxation felt like. But there are limits, boks.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I say. So today I want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you a very Jimmy Buffett story. Yes, yeah, it's got

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<v Speaker 2>a dash of Stephen Still's.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll take it thrown in there. I love, I get this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is more Buffet than Stills, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>This is about a complex character, a guy with shifting

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<v Speaker 2>obligations that he embraces and abandons in equal turns. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the story of Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.

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<v Speaker 4>A name Grady Stancil j.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna call him ray He was born in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty seven. He grew up in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>You could say that he was the son of a sailor.

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<v Speaker 2>His dad was a commercial fisherman, and that's a punishing job. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he was born into a very outdoorsy family and he

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<v Speaker 2>fell he fell right into it is your family outdoorsy

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<v Speaker 2>Some of.

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<v Speaker 3>Them are, yeah, some are very bookish and scholarly, and

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<v Speaker 3>others are really outdoors Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My dad's side of family very outdoorsy. My mom's

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<v Speaker 2>side not so much. They make an effort good you know. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Ray total outdoors man. So he started young with the

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<v Speaker 2>f when he was six, he helped his dad by

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<v Speaker 2>casting out a net to pull in bait for like

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<v Speaker 2>big fish.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh total yeah, great fish.

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<v Speaker 2>And he loved and respected the water. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>you've got sailor waterman.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he was in his teens, he saw the

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<v Speaker 2>destruction around him that dredging was doing to the wetlands

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he went out one day and he sank one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big dredging vessels out in Tampa Bay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit of a folk care outlaw. He

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<v Speaker 2>got out of high school in the mid fifties and

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<v Speaker 2>listed in the Air Force, but he bailed on that

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<v Speaker 2>really quickly, and then he went out to follow in

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<v Speaker 2>his dad's footsteps. He became a professional fisherman. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>this really great feature ray in the magazine Outside Magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great one. Here's a quote from that where

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<v Speaker 2>he's basically painted as the most interesting man alive.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Stancil was said to be able to back a forty

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<v Speaker 2>six foot sport fishing boat into a slip with the

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<v Speaker 2>wind blowing fifteen knots and the tide running against him.

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<v Speaker 2>Legend has it he wants single handedly brought up a

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<v Speaker 2>ninety foot barge that had sunk in one hundred foot

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<v Speaker 2>waters using only scuba gear and inflatable tubes. He was

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<v Speaker 2>caught more than two thousand pounds of grouper in a

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<v Speaker 2>single weekend. All this despite the fact that he was

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<v Speaker 2>blind in his left eye, a consequence of being struck

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<v Speaker 2>in the face with a broom as he and a

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<v Speaker 2>friend swept the cafeteria floor in middle school. This is good, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't laugh at the last bit about the eye

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<v Speaker 2>that whatever falls shortened. Yeah, exactly. So by the time

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<v Speaker 2>he was thirty, married, four kids, nineteen sixty five, he

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<v Speaker 2>gets hired to be the private captain for the founder

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<v Speaker 2>of the Dallas Cowboys, Clinton Murchison Junior. Oh wow, fun fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Clint was an oil air who funded the creation of

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<v Speaker 2>a Swedish pirate radio station that operated off the coast

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<v Speaker 2>of Sweden from March of nineteen sixty one to June

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen sixty two. No one did, I just made

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<v Speaker 2>that up. Okay, it really is true. So Ray's gig

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<v Speaker 2>for Clint that only lasted a couple of years, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when it wrapped up, Ray picked up moved his

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<v Speaker 2>family back to Florida. So he started his business running

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<v Speaker 2>charter boats. But the waters and the weather very yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's an unpredictable weather, unpredictable business, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not good business.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a tough business. I was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he tried setting out stone crass.

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<v Speaker 3>Business where you're what you're investing in you have to

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<v Speaker 3>feed it or if it floats.

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<v Speaker 4>Is a rough business.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's good. That is good.

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<v Speaker 4>Saren told that one.

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<v Speaker 6>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He tried doing stone crab traps, but the pickings were

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<v Speaker 2>slimm and like he just couldn't eke out a living.

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<v Speaker 2>But then he did, Oh, Zaren, how do you think

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<v Speaker 2>Ray was able to make money in Florida in the

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<v Speaker 2>early seventies when he had a boat and lots of

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<v Speaker 2>maritime experience and skill.

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<v Speaker 4>Elizabeth, how was Ray able to make money in the

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<v Speaker 4>early seven when he had a boat and limited maritime skill,

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<v Speaker 4>lots of marriage talking about me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right there, you got it right, Drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>Drugs, muddeling, you got He was moving the marijuana rugas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know how he first got into it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was really good at it, really like he

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<v Speaker 2>moved weight. So at the time, weed super cheap in Jamaica.

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<v Speaker 2>The good stuff grown up in the mountains was sold

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<v Speaker 2>by the fifty pound bat sack on the beach to

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<v Speaker 2>those who were in the no ten dollars a pound,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can believe it, ten bucks a pound. So

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<v Speaker 2>dealers they'd pick up a few sacks and then they

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<v Speaker 2>would sell it for one hundred and seventy five a pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's market. Yeah, but that's a lot of stuff, like

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of pounds.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot to move.

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<v Speaker 2>You aren't just shoving that in your undies when you

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<v Speaker 2>go through customs.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you're now a trucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the dealers they contracted with Ray, he's a pro.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew every nook and cranny on the coast. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he could pilot a boat swiftly, safely. Remember you get

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<v Speaker 2>like back at us a.

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<v Speaker 4>Lot of sandbars and navigate in Florida. I mean that's areas.

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<v Speaker 2>He could read the weather.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want to get beached with the bales.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Oh no, he was the ace. So Jamaican weed

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<v Speaker 2>was known to be good, but the best weed was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be coming in from Columbia. So that's where

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<v Speaker 2>Ray set his sight.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So he teamed up with this big dog weed supplier

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<v Speaker 2>named Raoul Davila Jimeno. And to the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>that guy was like a sugar, coffee, and petroleum exporter.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure to the drug world, he was the major supplier

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<v Speaker 2>for the Black Tuna Gang. Black Tuna Gang got its

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<v Speaker 2>name because that was Raoul's radio code name. Ever called

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<v Speaker 2>him Black Tuna, and most of the gang members they

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<v Speaker 2>wore these solid gold medallions, these necklaces that had like

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<v Speaker 2>a black Tuna emblem on it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that looks cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It was super cool. It's like their good luck charm.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was also a symbol of their gang, and

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<v Speaker 2>so Raoul's basically got this like small private army, and

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<v Speaker 2>he ruled Santa Marta, Colombia, which happened to be where

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<v Speaker 2>most of the Colombian marijuana was.

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<v Speaker 4>That is like a beautiful coastal city. Beautiful, it was

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<v Speaker 4>just incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Black Tuna Gang they ran Santa march To Columbia,

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<v Speaker 2>but they operated out of a suite at the Fontaine

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Hotel in Miami Beach. Yeah, and they had they

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<v Speaker 2>had like in their pocket this vice president of this

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<v Speaker 2>fancy Fort Lauderdale yacht brokerage, and he got them access

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<v Speaker 2>to specialized boats that could carry tons of marijuana without

0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting like suspiciously low the water. So the contraband was

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<v Speaker 2>transported in these modified boats and they unloaded it at

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<v Speaker 2>these there were all these stash houses along the water,

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<v Speaker 2>really nice neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they like, you know, you wouldn't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 4>Neighborhood dumped some stuff at late at night onto the dock, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just everyone just kind of mind's your own business.

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<v Speaker 2>It would take Ray five days to get from Jamaica

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<v Speaker 2>to Florida, and it took him ten days to get

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<v Speaker 2>from Columbia to Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is in the era before the go fast

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<v Speaker 3>boats and cocaine, so they're doing the opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>They're taking the slow boats exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So he'd pilot this like specially fitted boat through the

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<v Speaker 2>maze of as you were saying, all these Florida inlets

0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.960
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night. His crew would move

0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.560
<v Speaker 2>the bales of weed from the boat to the beach,

0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.800
<v Speaker 2>and then the marijuana bundles, which like one of his

0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>guys later said that it looked like horse feed because

0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:36.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just big bales of it. The bales of it

0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:41.680
<v Speaker 2>would be weighed on these huge, like enormous scales and

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<v Speaker 2>then transferred to the stash houses. And this went on

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<v Speaker 2>for years. They were moving like one hundred thousand pounds

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<v Speaker 2>at a time, like I said weight. So when a

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<v Speaker 2>criminal enterprise is doing really well, like bringing in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of cash, it often becomes really hard to store

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<v Speaker 2>and keep that physical cash. So you can't just you

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<v Speaker 2>can't just deposit it in the bank for so many reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're the daily limits. You need to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to like pick up.

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<v Speaker 3>And run, you need to pay your guys, and you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to go to the bank to get your payroll.

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<v Speaker 4>For criminal enterprise, you need to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be totally liquid and transferable and like free from seats, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ray he dealt with his cash storage problems by

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<v Speaker 2>storing stacks of hundreds in orange crates in his parents' attic.

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<v Speaker 2>But then one day his dad found, of course, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's hard to explain. I wonder if he had like

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<v Speaker 2>break some off to his dad to be quiet, like

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't see this. Here's a crate.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally keep your.

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<v Speaker 2>Ray's like, I gotta get serious about this. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>stash it at my parents house. He opened a bank

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<v Speaker 2>account in the Cayman Islands, so now he's adultings. Then

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<v Speaker 2>he used some of the cash to get gold bars.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all about the laundering obviously. So he established

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<v Speaker 2>like seafood and boat building companies in Panama and Honduras.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart and then he invested it, bought.

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<v Speaker 4>More boats, good grof you want to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So here's the thing, though, fishermen have to be observant,

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<v Speaker 2>like they monitor all the little changes and shifts around them,

0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.520
<v Speaker 2>same with sailors and the fo Yeah, the fishermen who

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<v Speaker 2>shared the docks with raised boats, they noticed something like

0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:27.200
<v Speaker 2>he goes out a lot, comes back fully laden, but

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<v Speaker 2>he never left the pier with ice, and like, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have that if you're going to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and plan on catching fishes. Never loaded up ice.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want hot fishing on your boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So this big full boat comes back and his

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<v Speaker 2>nets were always unused and dry.

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<v Speaker 4>That's another give away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it just wasn't adding up. So in June

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen seventy four, the cops they're onto him. He

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<v Speaker 2>gets arrested. When he got busted, he had five four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy six dollars in cash in his pockets.

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<v Speaker 2>He also had a briefcase in sight there was another

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<v Speaker 2>twenty grand in US currency. Yeah, he had cash from

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<v Speaker 2>Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Kenya. He had some really sweet picks

0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.960
<v Speaker 2>of marijuana, like nice photos weed shot. Yeah, Like I

0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:19.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know, is it souvenirs? Is it request? Yeah? Look

0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.119
<v Speaker 2>you look, look what I can get for you. Also

0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.159
<v Speaker 2>in the briefcase blank tourist visas, so he could get

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<v Speaker 2>into Nicarago whenever he wanted. Oh, he had blank checks

0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.479
<v Speaker 2>for a Swiss bank account. This paperwork from a German

0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.560
<v Speaker 2>company about a new Mercedes that was ready to be

0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:42.400
<v Speaker 2>shipped out to him, and then his passport, and according

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<v Speaker 2>to Outside magazine, it was quote so thick that it

0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.040
<v Speaker 2>stretched out like an accordion and indicated that he had

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<v Speaker 2>been to twelve countries in the past thirty days, including Jamaica, Columbia, Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>Hong Kong, Panama, and the Cayman Islands. It's like red flags.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my friend Dave used to travel a lot and

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<v Speaker 3>he had no I know, I've never seen anyone have this.

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<v Speaker 4>There's an extension.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yeah, I've seen that too. Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>His bond when he's busted, like, it's red flag city, right,

0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.520
<v Speaker 2>there's all this evidence again against him. The bond is

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<v Speaker 2>set at five hundred thousand dollars and he had to

0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.679
<v Speaker 2>surrender that crazy passport. Three months later. His lawyer handed

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<v Speaker 2>over a cashier's check for the whole amount. Didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>through a bail bondsman. He's like, ray, we're out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the largest bond ever posted in Florida's history

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<v Speaker 2>at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>In Florida's history. Yeah, and some history.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. So this grand jury indicted him for smuggling

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<v Speaker 2>more than twelve tons of marijuana and the prosecutors were

0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.240
<v Speaker 2>calling him like a soldier of fortune, tree top flyer

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<v Speaker 2>of the seas basically. So the trial was supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>start on January fifth, nineteen seventy five, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at five years if convey of the smuggling charge,

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<v Speaker 2>only five because the War.

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<v Speaker 4>On drugs had had not started. Yeah, totally.

0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.800
<v Speaker 2>He probably would get more as more charges would be

0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:14.080
<v Speaker 2>tacked on. But then something horrible happened. Ray's lawyer went

0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.959
<v Speaker 2>to the court and like made a public announcement that

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<v Speaker 2>Raymond Grady Stancil Junior had died on New Year's Eve

0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:26.000
<v Speaker 2>in a scuba diving accident off the coast of Honduras. Well,

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.080
<v Speaker 2>they were still searching for his body, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be for like recovery, not rescue.

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<v Speaker 4>Its tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a break and when we get back entertainment

0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and we get back from dangerous diving diving for deals

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<v Speaker 2>with these ads, We're going to continue this sad tale, Zaren, Karen,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's have a moment of silence for Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I laugh during it? Dead?

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't laugh. It's so it's so sad. This is

0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 2>what They're said, because he wasn't murdered. Yeah, of course,

0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:20.960
<v Speaker 2>not dead at the age of thirty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm sure his lawyer is broken up.

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.000
<v Speaker 2>It is. I don't know why you find this so funny.

0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:27.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know either.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave his life to Davy Jones's locker.

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:31.320
<v Speaker 4>What's wrong face?

0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.560
<v Speaker 2>He died? Jarren shouldn't be smiling, but he didn't. No

0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.000
<v Speaker 2>one believed he was really.

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.080
<v Speaker 3>No one would the federal prin He's like.

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<v Speaker 2>After a week after he made bail, he hopped on

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>a motorcycle and he tore out of Tampa from there, right,

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 2>he goes to this small airstrip and a buddy of

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.080
<v Speaker 2>his is waiting there with the plane. Okay, so the

0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.280
<v Speaker 2>two of them they fly to Key West and they

0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.440
<v Speaker 2>met up with his girlfriend, Janet Wood. Now, wait, Elizabeth,

0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't this guy have a wife and four kids?

0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:07.119
<v Speaker 4>That's right?

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, he did. Great questions there he and the

0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:11.600
<v Speaker 2>missus were estranged.

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, profriend makes.

0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Sense not to like the Key West girlfriend? Like, is

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<v Speaker 2>this a Jimmy Buffers?

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:20.720
<v Speaker 4>I think it sounds so.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets good. According to the Tampa Bay Times, Janet

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.760
<v Speaker 2>and Ray met quote after he spotted her at the

0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.400
<v Speaker 2>famed chart Room Bar in Key West in nineteen seventy three.

0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It was a watering hole for an neglectic mix of politicians, millionaires, artists, musicians,

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>treasure hunters, and various unsavory types. Singer Jimmy Buffett and

0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 2>treasure hunter Mel Fisherman frequent visitors in those days. Ms

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:52.600
<v Speaker 2>treasure Hunter and then he's like, sees her across the

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 2>bar as well, and she's like, ohbuh, there it is

0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Buffetts sighting was Jimmy Buffett there and introduced.

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows the right of only Carl Town.

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So in Key West, he gets there, he's out on it.

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.440
<v Speaker 2>He begs Janet come with me on the run. They're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say I drowned in Honduras.

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:15.320
<v Speaker 4>Not true.

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.640
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you don't have to ask me twice. Let's

0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.719
<v Speaker 2>get out. Yeah, So off they go. They didn't have

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 2>a set plan, but like no, Ray knew all the

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>right people for this sort of thing.

0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Network.

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the people he knew. They knew how to

0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.840
<v Speaker 2>move someone silently invisibly a person like drugs and do

0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:39.240
<v Speaker 2>that pretty much. So first they went to Honduras. He

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.320
<v Speaker 2>knew it well. He'd run a lot of drugs out

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:43.960
<v Speaker 2>of there down there. In fact, he basically knew the

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.440
<v Speaker 2>entire Gulf of Mexico like the back of his hand.

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<v Speaker 2>In Honduras, he walked directly into the American embassy and

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.560
<v Speaker 2>he was like, hello, I am an American tourist and

0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 2>I've lost my passport. I mean, he did lose it,

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<v Speaker 2>but not in the way that he happlired Like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your name, Dennis Lafferty? I am thirty three years old.

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I live in Florida. They're like, okay. So it turns

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>out there was a Dennis Lafferty who lived in Florida

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 2>who would have been thirty three, but he died a

0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 2>year before this. So with a new ID and travel

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:21.919
<v Speaker 2>papers secured. Huh, ray Janet, they moved on damn Son. Yeah,

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:26.240
<v Speaker 2>so they go to the island of Roatan. I'm probably

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.960
<v Speaker 2>not saying that right, forty five miles off the northern

0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:33.199
<v Speaker 2>coast of Hondura. So during this Christmas break before he

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 2>fakes his death, all four of his kids, all between

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>the ages of eleven and sixteen. Yeah, they joined him

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 2>there and they like lived it up. They went snorkling,

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 2>never fishing in what may have been a torturous development.

0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 2>They all sat around at night and listened to Janet

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 2>play the guitar, or maybe it was nice, like there's

0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 2>just lots of puff. The magic Dragon rock me up

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.200
<v Speaker 2>to say, she's like singing about blowing out a flip

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 2>flop top. So when the kids made it back to Florida,

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the cops were there waiting to ask them and their

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>mom if they knew about Ray, like where can we

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 2>find him? They're like, no, idea, I don't know. The

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.159
<v Speaker 2>four of us miners just all went to Honduras and

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>hung out on an island by ourselves. Get over it.

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 2>So from the island, Ray and Janet they went to

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Guatemala City, Guatemala, and they came up with a plan. Finally,

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.679
<v Speaker 2>they're like, how about this, Let's get a forty foot

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 2>boat and just spend our days sailing the seven seas.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I like the plan. I like where your

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<v Speaker 4>head's at? You crazy cos it's not really a plan. Yeah,

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:45.200
<v Speaker 4>that's the beginning.

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:46.880
<v Speaker 2>And then they're like, how about how about this part

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of the plant like a dream, We'll just keep going

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 2>until we get to the Great Barrier reef Wow, Okay,

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:55.640
<v Speaker 2>do you have a general Pacific.

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 4>But good luck with that.

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:03.200
<v Speaker 2>So off they go. They went Nicaragua, Anama, Colombia, Aruba, Currasow, Bonair.

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 2>They ditched the boat for a while and then hopped

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 2>on a motorcycle and like toodled all over the various

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 2>like Central American mountain ranges. Okay, And when they got

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:17.399
<v Speaker 2>to Belize, things got dicey. They were recognized. One of

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:22.160
<v Speaker 2>them was Janet was recognized, and but people didn't think

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>she was Janet. They thought she was Patty.

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Hurst because and she was kidnapping, held.

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 2>For twenty four hours and then released.

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>But they're like, oh.

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>They finally, no, I'm not Patty Hurst. Off she goes.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 2>She got pregnant. Congratulations you two. That sounds like a

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:43.959
<v Speaker 2>fantastic stable like. So in her condition, the couple opted

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 2>to ditch the boat for good and just fly everyone.

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 4>Also medical care during the pregnancy.

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So they go to Venezuela, Peru, Tahiti New Hebrides

0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 2>now called Vanawatu. Yeah, and it was there that they

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 2>got married. But then sadly, Janet lost the baby, so

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:05.439
<v Speaker 2>they were understandably bereft, and they they headed off to

0:26:05.520 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Australia finally, you know, heading towards a great barrier reef.

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 2>They finally settled in North Queensland. It's super rural and

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:19.120
<v Speaker 2>remote and the people their mind their own business and

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>it has amazing fish. Yeah, it's a perfect place for Ray.

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 2>So I have to say that Port Douglas, where they went,

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>might be the perfect place for me. It's I mean

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:31.879
<v Speaker 2>it is. It's hot and tropical and muggy and prona

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 2>monsoons and cyclones for you. But according to Google street

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>View it's gorgeous. Gorgeous street are gorgeous and not crowded. Yeah.

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't love all the hot, tropical Oh my god,

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the bugs, I can't even the bugs. Scene must be horrible.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, here's from the outside article quote. There's a

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 2>saying in Australia's Far North Queensland region, your history starts here.

0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>For decades, this remote stre of pristine beaches and lush

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>rainforest along the continent's northeastern edge has attracted an odd

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>ball mix of Australian hippies and starry eyed foreigners seeking

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 2>a fresh start. You could be a German count or

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a renegade chemist who supplied LSD to the grateful dead.

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>No one gives us stuff, said Andrew Forsyth, himself a

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 2>former pilot who ferried Pope John Paul the Second and

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Queen Elizabeth around the world, and relocated to the area

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and two after first visiting some forty

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 2>years prior. You could fire a gun down the street

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 2>and you wouldn't hit anybody, said Norm Clinch, a machinist

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 2>from Brisbane who often fished out of Port Douglas. The

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 2>police there was one station and they'd be all in

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 2>their drunk or asleep.

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 4>A man, I would miss live music.

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 2>I probably have live music, but you're not going to

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 2>see the famous people. But you know, I think right now,

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I think this region. I know Eastern Australia is having

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 2>terrible floodings.

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh right now, took the summer the wildfire. God.

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Anyways, Sarah, close your eyes. Oh really, yeah, really,

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>I want you to picture it. It's October nineteen seventy five,

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 2>springtime in Australia. You are a bartender at the Courthouse

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Hotel in Port Douglas. It's the oldest pub in Port

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.479
<v Speaker 2>Douglas and, according to ownership, one of the most iconic

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>pubs in all of Australia. Clean and breezy. The place

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:32.119
<v Speaker 2>sits on a corner of the port's main street and

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>looks out over Anzac Park and the harbor. From your

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.959
<v Speaker 2>vantage point at the bar, you can look through the

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>wide open veranda to the street and the coral sea beyond.

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.719
<v Speaker 2>You hear the rumble of an old fifties station wagon

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>come down Wharf Street. It's a slow afternoon at the pub.

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>The sun is shining and there's a lovely, sweet breeze.

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>You watch as the faded green station wagon eases into

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 2>a spot by the park, and then you watch a

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>couple get out of the car. They stretch out and

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 2>turn their faces to the sun, obviously stiff and tired

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>from a long drive. There's no traffic around them, just

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the sound of the waves and the wind and some

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 2>palm trees. He's a tall, shaggy haired fellow with a

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 2>healthy mustache. She's a fit and happy brunette. As you expected,

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 2>they make their way from the parking lot to your bar.

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>The only patron inside on this afternoon is peg Leg Tommy.

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 2>He rests his one barefoot on the leg of his barstool,

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 2>with his rough artificial leg dangling beneath him. He's been

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.719
<v Speaker 2>here since you open this morning like many other days.

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Nursing a whiskey sour and reading the newspaper out of

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Townsville City, the couple enter the pub and approach the bar.

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>What can I get for you? Ask in a clear

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>American accent. The man asks for a logger. The woman

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>orders a soda water peg Leg Tommy turns to them,

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 2>extends his hand for a shake, and introduces himself. The

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>couple are charmed by him. They pull up stools and

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 2>settle in. Tommy asks them what brings them to Port Douglas. Yes,

0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>they tell him they've just relocated here. Lots of weeds

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 2>tumble in peg Leg. Tommy tells them they smile weed.

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>The man chuckles. You place their drinks on the bar

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and share an odd with the man. Tommy asks where

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>they're from. I'm Lee Lafferty from Galveston, Texas in the USA.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>He says. This is my wife, Janet. She's originally from Michigan.

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 2>To you and Tommy, that information means pretty much nothing,

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>but you both nod sagely. I'm a fisherman, Lee tells

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you both, and my parents are dead. Janet says, you

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and Tommy exchange side eyes. We really do get the

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>weirdos here, you think. Tommy launches into one of his

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 2>monologues about life in far North Queensland, regaling the couple

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 2>with tales of bull sharks and massive crocodiles. He hints

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>that that's how he lost his leg. You know better,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 2>he got drunk and passed out at a lumber mill

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 2>when he was in his twenties in New South Wales.

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Tommy asks the couple where they're living in the motel

0:30:57.760 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>down the road a bit, Lee says, But then he

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>tells you both that he's planning on designing a boat,

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a fifty three footer they'll live on. That sounds like

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>a plan, Tommy says. He and Lee raise a toast

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to that. Clinking glasses. You look out at the road

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and wonder if the couple will like it here, make

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>a home here. You hope they do.

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 4>Like a cool couple.

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Cool couples there, and you get that wish.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 4>I do so.

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Ray. He did build that big boat, and the couple

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>lived on it for seven years. It was their first home.

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh for seven years.

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he designed and built this big, big old boat.

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 2>But meanwhile, back at the ranch or the United States,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>it was Ray's Stancil sighting fever. Yeah, so tips came

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>in that he was in a brothel in Belize, on

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>the beach in Panama, like sipping drinks and Aruba, hanging

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>out in Florida. North Florida Prosecutor David McGee said, quote,

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>it was like Elvis. He became kind of a legend.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen seventy six, a hot tip came in

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 2>from Doris. He wasn't just spotted, he was captured. The

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Florida Department of Law Enforcement. They were thrilled, so they

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>released this public announcement that Ray was alive in custody

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and they were on their way to Honduras to go

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 2>scoop them up. But when they released, they get down

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.719
<v Speaker 2>there and the cell is empty. But we knew that

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>because he wasn't he was in Australia.

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 3>I was assuming is that somebody who was using his

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 3>old passport, somebody had stolen found.

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the story is. Dotris was just

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>yank in their chain. I don't know. Back in Australia,

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Ray A Ka Lee and Janet she just used her

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.959
<v Speaker 2>name because she's like, I'm not on the run. They

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 2>were doing great, according to outside quote. Lee outfished the

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 2>locals in part by using live bait caught with the

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 2>specially designed cast nets that he had Janet made and sold,

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 2>and quickly established himself as one of the best port

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Douglas had ever known. He wasn't just fitting in, he

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 2>was thriving totally. Yeah, everyone loved him, and he wasn't

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 2>making anyone suspicious by like throwing cash around totally.

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 3>And also just about to say that the thing about

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 3>I liked about him being good at fishing is you

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 3>can bomb with locals if you're a good fisherman, no

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 3>respect that, and they doesn't necessarily challenge them in the

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 3>way that they're going to get angry.

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 2>And it's not like he had these nuts and he

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 2>was all proprietary about it. He's like, we'll make some sold.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>At one point he actually he he borrowed eight grand

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>from this other American expat in order to fix his boat.

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>So it was just like he was just a normal

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 2>guy and he like paid him back or whatever because.

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 4>He think he didn't have the money.

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he took a lot of the money, and

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I think they burned through a lot of the money

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>flipped all over South America. Yeah, so, but he was

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>just a normal guy. He did not go back for

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>visits to the United States. They can, yeah, and they

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>just became like a part of the fabric of the community.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 2>So after they settled in.

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 4>His kids never came to visit him again. Now the

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 4>ones who visited him new interesting.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he settles in. He and Janet they had two daughters,

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Jesse born in nineteen seventy six and Keana born in

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty. So Lee and Janet ray slash Lee. They

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 2>told their daughters a little bit about their dad's former life,

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 2>but they made it clear that this was just house talk, like,

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>don't tell anyone about this, So of course they told

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 2>people about it.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, they told one person.

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>When they were teenagers, the girls told their horseback riding

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>instructor about their dad and his you know, former smuggling ways.

0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.720
<v Speaker 2>The instructor Christine Doane. She was a former Olympic horseback

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 2>rider from the United States, So another tumble in. She

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 2>didn't tell anyone what she'd been told, and then her

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 2>brother married one of the girls, so she knew it

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>was like best to keep a zipped on family business.

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>She later though, told Outside magazine that she didn't like

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the quote lies in secrecy, which created so much collateral

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.279
<v Speaker 2>damage in the family. The secrecy and paranoia of the

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 2>entire family is twisted. Janet is one of the most

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.759
<v Speaker 2>in denial humans I ever met. The family used to

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 2>treat this as a young man's hoot. They have an

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 2>enormous need to whitewash this, so let's consider that. Take

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a break for some ads. When we return more Tales

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 2>of life on the run in remote Australia, zaren. When

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>we left off Ray and Janet, they had settled in

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 2>far North Queensland in Australia. Do you think I can

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 2>convince Admiral iHeart to pay for us to go to

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Australia and meet up with AUSSI rude dudes and tour

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:54.879
<v Speaker 2>the country at a leisurely pace.

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 4>You're very charming.

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any good blackmail materials on the Admiral

0:35:59.160 --> 0:35:59.760
<v Speaker 2>that would.

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 4>Help give me a couple of weeks?

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So anyway, by the.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Way, I'm loving this story because it's like, you know,

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 3>actors get to do this where they get to live

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 3>a life that they didn't live by playing apart, whereas

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm hearing a story that's like Oh, the road not taken.

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 4>It is the Baker daff and run away to Australia.

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the Catharsis of Greek theater. We get to actually

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 2>live it without having to live it. Ray and Janet

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 2>they settled in kept quiet. So in the early eighties

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 2>they moved off the boat and they bought some property

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and then Ray Aka Lee he founded Danetree River Cruise

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Center and it still exists today.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 4>You can still go there.

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, may I read to you from their website.

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 4>It's for IoT have to ask thank you.

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty seven, Lee and Janet Lafferty opened the

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Danetree River Cruise Center with a vision to share the

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 2>spectacular wildlife and rainforest in the most environmentally sensitive way

0:36:55.880 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>possible dedicated conservationists with an infectious passion for wildlife. The

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Laffarty name quickly became synonymous with eco tourism and the

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Danetree River. Lee was one of the original guides on

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the river and gained a reputation as the authority on

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>its flora and fauna with his encyclopedic memory and constant

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>fascination with the river. He spent the rest of his

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 2>life educating others and sharing his passion through his tours.

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.240
<v Speaker 4>I love on the early wave of eco tourism.

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and like so over the next decade, the

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>business just like takes off. It's an important part of

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the region and it brought in a ton of tourist dollars.

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>And you see like pictures of it. It's there's a

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>river tour similar to it. It feels like in Kawaii

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 2>just about ask it looks like yeah, and it's like, so.

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 3>It looks like you're in Raiders of the Lost Art

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 3>South America exactly.

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 2>And it was it was important, like the business was

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 2>really important in establishing best practices for like cultural respect.

0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>They got these you know, aboriginal cognition and stuff, conservation

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 2>community projects, that kind of stuff. So the family ran

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:10.920
<v Speaker 2>this business for thirty five years. Ray aka Lee and Janet.

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 2>They lived happy, loving, fulfilling lives. But then in June

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty eleventh, some major news broke. An American drug smuggler

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>hiding out in far North Queensland since the eighties had

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>been captured. Not Ray Peyton Edison i'dson.

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 4>There was another smuggler hiding.

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>In Idson or for those living in Juliatan don't j

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 2>U L A T T E. N apologies. I don't

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>know how to say it. An hour inland of Port Douglas,

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 2>an our away. They knew him as Michael McGoldrick McGoldrick.

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>But there's so that is right, there's another smuggler had

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>drifted out to Ray's middle of nowhere to start a

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.359
<v Speaker 2>new life under a new identity just an hour way.

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>So Peyton Idsen he was the leader of a Santa Rosa,

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 2>California smuggling ring. He'd been busted operating an ocean going

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:14.720
<v Speaker 2>freighter hauling forty thousand pounds at a time of weed

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>from Thailand to the States.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 4>Twenty tons of pop.

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, twenty. This was child's play for Ray, though He's like.

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 4>Both twenty that money over here, it's a huge amount.

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but Ray was doing one hundred thousand pounds at

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 2>a time.

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know, it's still.

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot. Both of those guys, they're both impressive,

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:34.280
<v Speaker 2>both day boys.

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.879
<v Speaker 3>I'm very impressive, both of them pulling long Daddy's one

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 3>of them is much more impressive.

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty six, this Peyton he skipped bail and

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>he and his wife and daughter used fake passports to

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 2>flee to Australia, and so just like Ray and Janet,

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>they opened a tourist operation. They had this like health

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:56.399
<v Speaker 2>spa and luxury mountain retreat, okay, and just like Ray

0:39:56.400 --> 0:39:58.680
<v Speaker 2>a Janet, they'd become beloved members.

0:39:58.320 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Of the community gratually.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So at some point in twenty eleven, the Australian authorities

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>figured out that the real Michael McGoldrick had died in

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas in the eighties, So who is this guy?

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So they contacted the US Diplomatic Security Service and like

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a little sleuthing here, some snoop in there, boom, they

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>uncover him Peyton and it was just an hour away

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 2>from Ray. I'm still trying to get my head around this.

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>And since they both owned tourist operations, I wonder if

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>they ever crossed paths.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they had to have tourist industry like conventions, Yeah.

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 2>Getting awards. Wow.

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine though, Ray or whatever, Ray's fear when

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 3>he sees that headline and he's like, there's no cops

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 3>out the window, but he's.

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Like freaked him out, Like the whole thing freaked him out,

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and like he he and Janet were just squirrely after

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 2>this bet because then just three years later, someone grasped him,

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 2>someone ratted him out. I have my suspicions horse raider. Yeah,

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>we don't know, we don't know whoever it was. Didn't

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>go to the cops, though. They went to the press,

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:16.200
<v Speaker 2>specifically to Pulitzer Prize winning Florida newspaper reporter Lucy Morgan.

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So at this point, she's semi retired, she's seventy four

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.879
<v Speaker 2>years old, but she has spent like much of her

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 2>career reporting on Ray and like keeping tabs on all

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the sightings. She'd written all these articles about him and

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like that whole smuggling scene, and then as they're like

0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 2>taken down one by one, she reports on it everyone

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>but Ray. So she got all these tips over the years,

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, you know, I get kind of tired

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of I'll look into this one and like, you know,

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ray living is like an envirol warrior in

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.399
<v Speaker 2>rural Australia. Like, oh fine, I'll just chase this one down.

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 2>It's original. So she starts doing her deep dives. Where

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>was Ray at this point, Well, he's still on the

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>tour service, but now he was battling Parkinson's disease.

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 4>All right, he's getting up there.

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like medication was helping, but it limited his activities,

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.719
<v Speaker 2>so he couldn't do as much on the boats. He

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't supposed to be driving. His hands shook something terrible

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and he was getting really weak, like a lot of

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:20.800
<v Speaker 2>muscle loss. On the afternoon of May twenty six, twenty fifteen,

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.760
<v Speaker 2>a call came into local police. A pickup truck driving

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.839
<v Speaker 2>on a winding road had wrecked and wrapped around a

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 2>massive gum tree. There was this old dog of Beichmpfreze

0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>in the truck that was like a little bit dazed

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 2>but was going to be okay. But the driver gone

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 2>killed instantly. It was ray this time he really did die.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:41.399
<v Speaker 6>Oh.

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Everyone in Port Douglas is absolutely devastated. The mayor called

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 2>him a lovely man and a gentleman. His neighbors and

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>his friends like praised his extensive scientific knowledge, his drive

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>for preservation. One guy said that he didn't have a

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>bad bone in his body.

0:42:58.880 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 4>Take surprise, come to your way.

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:02.439
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and you know they had some bad bones

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 2>in his body. He had used him in one of

0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the metaphors, are.

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 4>There bones in your body? Like doesn't have a racist

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 4>bone in their body, doesn't have a bad bone in

0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 4>the kid. The whole idea of thematic bones and bodies

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:13.439
<v Speaker 4>kills me, right.

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, So the truth comes out. Lucy Morgan broke the

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 2>story in the Tampa Bay Times, so she gets the

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:22.280
<v Speaker 2>tip he dies, and then.

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 4>She breaks the confirmation he divorced.

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 2>He had divorced Janet in twenty eleven, but.

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 4>It really got squirrely.

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So either because of that or maybe despite that,

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. This huge piece runs in the Tampa

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Bay Times. His sister said, quote, it really just broke

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>my heart when he disappeared. He never tried to contact

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>us again. I felt so bad that his children had

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 2>to grow up without him. So you know he's this

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.399
<v Speaker 2>he's two people, Yeah, totally. And about those kids though,

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>two of the boys, Ronald and Raymond Junior, Raymond the third.

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 2>So if Ronald and Raimon in the third, Yeah, they

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 2>did time in federal prison importing cocaine. Hell, you know

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>they were.

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 4>In legends like that. You're gonna think this is always

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 4>an option.

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Sure, well, they were indicted in nineteen ninety one. Both

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>of them then immediately went on the LAMB. I learned

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it from Watching You, Ronald, he got picked up in

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.240
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety four, but Ray the Third he was able

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 2>to avoid capture for twenty years, just like.

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 4>Popa Wow, knock off the bill.

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 2>He headed up to Alaska. He went the other direction,

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and he used the name Don Davenport. Oh, He's like,

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm Don Davenport from Colorado. Yeah, so he got married.

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 2>What's amazing is that he married a cop. One of

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.840
<v Speaker 2>the articles refers to her as a Kodiak police officer.

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 2>So I like to imagine a big bear in a

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 2>police So much more fun that way. So Ray the Third, Oh,

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 2>when he's married to the to the bear. He also

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>had a wife and kid back in Florida. But whatever

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.200
<v Speaker 2>did he do it? Just like Papa from Watching You,

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 2>he got busted in Texas in twenty ten, gets extradited

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 2>to Florida. Yeah, he told Outside Magazine via a letter

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.960
<v Speaker 2>written from the Federal pen quote, I think my father

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 2>picked a good place to have a life, and I'm

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.439
<v Speaker 2>glad that he won and got out of here when

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:27.320
<v Speaker 2>he did. I missed him, but used what he taught

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 2>me and lived without regrets for my life. That's yeah,

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:36.879
<v Speaker 2>devastating about what he taught you. Ronald was right there

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>with his brother. He wrote in a letter to Outside

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 2>from the Federal.

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 4>Pen quote, they have time.

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't blame Dad for not showing up. I'm sure

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 2>that he missed certain aspects of what was left behind.

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like you cut a chunk out of your heart leaving.

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>But things seldom end the way you visualize. In life.

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>You can only take your best shot and roll with

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the punches.

0:45:58.560 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 5>Wow.

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's had some rough emotional lows.

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>So, like I said, the Riverboat Company still exists. This

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>is from their website. When Lee passed away in twenty fifteen,

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 2>his daughter Kiana inherited the business and assumed the responsibility

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:19.200
<v Speaker 2>of championing this amazing ecosystem to the world. Keana has

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>remained dedicated to operating sustainably and in harmony with the

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>environment and local community. She continues to uphold all the

0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.240
<v Speaker 2>values put in place by her father and has proven

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 2>herself not only as a business owner, but also as

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>a passionate environmental activist.

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Good for her.

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, to close this out, I'd like to leave

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you with commentary from Norman Duke.

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 4>Not the Norman Duke.

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the world's foremost authority on Mangrove for us and

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 2>also close friend of Ray Slash Lee. Thank you When

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.439
<v Speaker 2>asked about how people in far North Queensland talk about

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Lee as someone who found redemption, as a man running

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 2>away from a troubled past, who transformed himself into a

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>protector of one of the world's most pristine natural habitats.

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 2>This is what Duke had to say, quote reflecting on

0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:09.240
<v Speaker 2>it now, It's just what Australia is all about. It's

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>all about redemption, all about finding a new life.

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:18.240
<v Speaker 4>Interesting way I look at colonialism.

0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.359
<v Speaker 4>Hearing the road not taken? I am glad I took

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 4>the road.

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 3>I did he too, because living life on the lamb

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.040
<v Speaker 3>sounds like just punishing for anyone who ever once loved you.

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I think is my takeaway. Thank you

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:39.319
<v Speaker 2>for asking. All right, Yeah, what did you think is

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the complexity of being these two? He's still in there,

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>there's the bone and the body thing, right, Like, so

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:50.360
<v Speaker 2>he's the as a as a fugitive or as a criminal.

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 2>He's got these good aspects to who he is. He's

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 2>always been an environmentalist and like you know, but like

0:47:57.360 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 2>a very personal likable.

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 4>You know, they like people.

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't violent, he didn't hurt people, but there was

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:10.520
<v Speaker 2>a certain violence to abandoning the family.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 4>And the kids.

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 2>And you see that like his his boys think that

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>he's you know, he was a good role model, I guess,

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>whereas like he took down both of their I don't

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.120
<v Speaker 2>see it like when from like a they stand back

0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 2>when we get a view from where we see it

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>of like the damage that he did to these guys, because.

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't fault them for thinking what they think, and

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't even pity them. It's not like that, but

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:35.560
<v Speaker 3>I can see the limits of their world like a

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 3>snow globe, yea, And they don't know that they're in

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:39.320
<v Speaker 3>the snow globe, and it doesn't have to be the

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 3>way they know right and smart for what they know

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.759
<v Speaker 3>from based on where they what they have, no, you

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:45.799
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. I admire how they reacted to

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 3>their world. In some ways, I feel bad that their

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 3>dad pushed him into that snowbe.

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 2>And the Horseback Lady talking about Janet being so in denial.

0:48:56.760 --> 0:49:00.439
<v Speaker 2>We have to survive, Like how having that hang over

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 2>you that you have you build this lovely life in

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 2>this community come crashing down in one moment. That the

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>pressure of that, you kind of have to disassociated the

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 2>same thing. Yeah, what was horse lady?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't mean that she decided not to snitch

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<v Speaker 3>because it benefited her family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's the same. It's the same choice she's not

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<v Speaker 4>because it benefits her family, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>A choice exactly. But so like this notion of redemption,

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<v Speaker 2>I am fully a believer in that, and I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>believer in reinvention of oneself. I think that's an important solitary.

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<v Speaker 2>But the wreckage in your wake.

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<v Speaker 4>Good, none of us are in island, Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and it brings me back to.

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<v Speaker 4>Obligations, your original thesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, yes that in summary, embrace your obligations. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that you have. You can't run from them, and

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<v Speaker 2>it causes more wreckage when you do. Dave, I need

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<v Speaker 2>to talk back.

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