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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zaren go.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hi Elizabeth Arnett, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I was just having quiet time, my head down on

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Speaker 3: my desk, like I finished my test early.

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Speaker 2: I love quiet.

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Speaker 4: I know you do. I know you finished your test early,

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Speaker 4: Love quiet.

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Speaker 2: Listen. Yes you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. Jim Morrison yeah right, yeah, period, No,

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Speaker 4: I liked.

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Speaker 3: I have to admit I was a Jim Morrison Stan

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Speaker 3: when I was a young man, Like I was that kid.

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Speaker 3: But I just found out recently that there was a

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Speaker 3: memorial bust of Jim Morrison at the perry Leche Cemetery

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Speaker 3: of Paris, and it was like a head and shoulders

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Speaker 3: and it was like kind of very famous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it.

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Speaker 3: Was stolen in nineteen Yeah, it was stolen nineteen eighty

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Speaker 3: eight and it's been gone for a long time. The

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Speaker 3: family eventually paid for a new one to replace it,

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Speaker 3: but after thirty seven years, the Paris police just found it.

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Speaker 3: Good job Paris police years turns out totally by mistake.

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Speaker 3: They were just they were serve a warrant on an

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Speaker 3: unrelated case. No, yeah, as they said a quote, this

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Speaker 3: was a chance discovery made during his search order than

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Speaker 3: by and examining magistrates.

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Speaker 4: That's the Paris quotes.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so they just stumbled across the gym Morrison busy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is this important?

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Speaker 2: It is tacking on the charges now.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a ridiculous That is ridiculous French

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Speaker 3: police recovery.

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Speaker 4: Years later.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Please?

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Speaker 2: Smuggling literal tons of weed? Like tons? Oh oh, this

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons It is always always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I hope that.

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Speaker 2: I hope so too. I would like to open with

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Speaker 2: a reading a poem of sorts from a poet I

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Speaker 2: can't stand, but that I think you'll appreciate and through

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Speaker 2: whom this tale I tell you today resonates strongly. This

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Speaker 2: won't be a close reading, just a contemplation on a theme.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm prepared here.

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Speaker 2: It is as the son of a son of a sailor,

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Speaker 2: I went out on the sea for adventure, expanding the

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Speaker 2: view of the captain and crew like a man just

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Speaker 2: released from indenture. As a dreamer of dreams and a

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Speaker 2: traveling man. I have chalked up many a mile, read

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Speaker 2: dozens of books about heroes and crooks, and I learned

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Speaker 2: much from both of their styles.

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Speaker 5: Son of a son, son of a son, son of

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Speaker 5: a son of a sailor, son of a gun load

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Speaker 5: the last time, one step ahead of the jailer.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. That's right. It's the lyrics to

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Speaker 2: the song son of a Son of a Sailor by

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Buffett, James Buffett, Jimmy Buffet.

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Speaker 4: My dad.

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Speaker 2: My dad loved Jimmy Buffett. I can tell because he

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Speaker 2: was all about like sailboats in the ocean and cheeseburgers,

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Speaker 2: and and I think, well, then you know my nephew

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Speaker 2: is the son of a son of a sailorically. But

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Speaker 2: I can't stand Jimmy Buffett. I think I was trying

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Speaker 2: to what I was trying to investigate this. It was

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Speaker 2: like Elizabeth, I always think he's a good time. Anytime

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Speaker 2: that you really like don't like someone, you really have

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Speaker 2: to investigate and think a lot of times, not all

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Speaker 2: the time, but many times it's the things that you

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Speaker 2: don't like about yourself or what you see in that

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Speaker 2: person or what you're afraid you are.

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Speaker 4: But then I really you're afraid you're a beach bomb

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Speaker 4: who at all?

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Speaker 2: What irks me about Jimmy Buffett, I decided, is the

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Speaker 2: longing that his fans feel for this like life of

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Speaker 2: no obligation, and then their search for it they kind

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Speaker 2: of abandon obligation, like the obligation to not be drunk

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Speaker 4: You don't like the divorce dad energy.

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Speaker 2: There's so much divorced energy, like the fans didn't or

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Speaker 2: don't like. Do like the infantile describing of any minor

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Speaker 2: responsibility as quote adulting. Sure that is nails on.

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Speaker 4: I know you hate that term, but the one that

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Speaker 4: you don't want Sunday scary.

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Speaker 2: Sunday scary never I hear that.

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Speaker 3: I Like, I used to be in pitch meetings and

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Speaker 4: They'd be like, I had a real bad case.

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Speaker 3: It's Sunday scaries, and I'd have to keep a straight

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Speaker 4: I'm just not you know me, I'm more of a

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Speaker 4: cowboy that I've never gone even.

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Speaker 2: If that life is about obligations. And I think I've

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Speaker 2: told you before that my big run in with a

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Buffett fan was when I was like maybe eight

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Speaker 2: years old and the neighbors across the street were like

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Speaker 2: pre partying for a Jimmy Buffett concert, and this lady

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Speaker 2: came up to me, like I can see her leathery

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Speaker 2: dec letee and like the visor over crispy bleached hair,

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Speaker 2: Like you can see like her bikini straps under the

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Speaker 2: tank top.

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Speaker 4: Yes, if you wear a tank top over a bikini.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and then like shorts and flip flops

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Speaker 2: and like an anklet and she's no, that'd be amazing. No.

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Speaker 2: And she was the one who said, you know, like

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Speaker 2: unbidden walks up to a child and says, the best

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Speaker 2: cure for a hangover is a tuna sandwich, French fries

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Speaker 2: and a chocolate shake.

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Speaker 4: Well, you've always remembered it, so apparently.

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Speaker 2: It is burned. It is like, yeah, but so.

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Speaker 4: You ever used medical advice? No, and like good advice,

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Speaker 4: I never got it's actually correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if parent heads we want to hear from

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Speaker 2: you ridiculous crime dot com.

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Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, I will represent I've been to

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Speaker 3: multiple show I have the appeal.

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Speaker 2: Of Jimmy Buffett's people. Like, okay, So life is about obligations.

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Speaker 2: People depend on us, systems depend on our reliability. There

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Speaker 2: should be satisfaction in stepping up and embracing responsibility.

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Speaker 4: This is the cowboy adulting. Yes, this is where I'm

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Speaker 4: got it adulting.

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Speaker 2: Just do your life. The Jimmy buz Well, the aesthetic

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Speaker 2: of Jimmy Buffett is all about abandoning responsibility for pure

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Speaker 2: relaxations and enjoyment. I love to enjoy things, and I

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Speaker 2: wish I knew what relaxation felt like. But there are limits, boks.

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Speaker 2: That's what I say. So today I want to tell

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Speaker 2: you a very Jimmy Buffett story. Yes, yeah, it's got

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Speaker 2: a dash of Stephen Still's.

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Speaker 4: I'll take it thrown in there. I love, I get this.

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Speaker 2: This is more Buffet than Stills, I think.

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Speaker 4: But this is criminal.

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Speaker 2: This is about a complex character, a guy with shifting

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Speaker 2: obligations that he embraces and abandons in equal turns. So

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Speaker 2: this is the story of Raymond Grady Stancil Junior.

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Speaker 4: A name Grady Stancil j.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna call him ray He was born in

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Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven. He grew up in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

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Speaker 2: You could say that he was the son of a sailor.

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Speaker 2: His dad was a commercial fisherman, and that's a punishing job. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he was born into a very outdoorsy family and he

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Speaker 2: fell he fell right into it is your family outdoorsy

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Speaker 3: Them are, yeah, some are very bookish and scholarly, and

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Speaker 3: others are really outdoors Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My dad's side of family very outdoorsy. My mom's

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Speaker 2: side not so much. They make an effort good you know. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Ray total outdoors man. So he started young with the

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Speaker 2: casting out a net to pull in bait for like

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Speaker 4: Oh total yeah, great fish.

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Speaker 2: And he loved and respected the water. You have to

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Speaker 2: And when he was in his teens, he saw the

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Speaker 2: destruction around him that dredging was doing to the wetlands

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Speaker 2: So he went out one day and he sank one

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Speaker 2: So a little bit of a folk care outlaw. He

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Speaker 2: got out of high school in the mid fifties and

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Speaker 2: his dad's footsteps. He became a professional fisherman. So there's

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Speaker 2: this really great feature ray in the magazine Outside Magazine.

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Speaker 2: It's a great one. Here's a quote from that where

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Speaker 4: Nice quote.

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Speaker 2: Stancil was said to be able to back a forty

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Speaker 2: six foot sport fishing boat into a slip with the

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Speaker 2: Legend has it he wants single handedly brought up a

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Speaker 2: waters using only scuba gear and inflatable tubes. He was

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Speaker 2: caught more than two thousand pounds of grouper in a

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Speaker 2: in the face with a broom as he and a

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Speaker 2: friend swept the cafeteria floor in middle school. This is good, right,

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't laugh at the last bit about the eye

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Speaker 2: that whatever falls shortened. Yeah, exactly. So by the time

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Speaker 2: he was thirty, married, four kids, nineteen sixty five, he

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Speaker 2: gets hired to be the private captain for the founder

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Speaker 2: of the Dallas Cowboys, Clinton Murchison Junior. Oh wow, fun fact.

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Speaker 2: Clint was an oil air who funded the creation of

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Speaker 2: a Swedish pirate radio station that operated off the coast

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Speaker 2: of Sweden from March of nineteen sixty one to June

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Speaker 2: that up. Okay, it really is true. So Ray's gig

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Speaker 2: for Clint that only lasted a couple of years, and

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Speaker 2: then when it wrapped up, Ray picked up moved his

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Speaker 2: family back to Florida. So he started his business running

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Speaker 2: charter boats. But the waters and the weather very yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so it's an unpredictable weather, unpredictable business, which is

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Speaker 2: not good business.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough business. I was saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he tried setting out stone crass.

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Speaker 3: Business where you're what you're investing in you have to

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Speaker 3: feed it or if it floats.

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Speaker 4: Is a rough business.

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Speaker 2: That's that's good. That is good.

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Speaker 4: Saren told that one.

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Speaker 6: I like that.

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Speaker 2: He tried doing stone crab traps, but the pickings were

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Speaker 2: slimm and like he just couldn't eke out a living.

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Speaker 2: But then he did, Oh, Zaren, how do you think

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Speaker 2: Ray was able to make money in Florida in the

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Speaker 2: early seventies when he had a boat and lots of

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Speaker 2: maritime experience and skill.

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Speaker 4: Elizabeth, how was Ray able to make money in the

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Speaker 4: early seven when he had a boat and limited maritime skill,

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Speaker 4: lots of marriage talking about me.

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Speaker 2: You're right there, you got it right, Drugs.

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Speaker 3: Drugs, muddeling, you got He was moving the marijuana rugas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how he first got into it,

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Speaker 2: but he was really good at it, really like he

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Speaker 2: moved weight. So at the time, weed super cheap in Jamaica.

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Speaker 2: The good stuff grown up in the mountains was sold

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Speaker 2: by the fifty pound bat sack on the beach to

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Speaker 2: those who were in the no ten dollars a pound,

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Speaker 2: Be totally liquid and transferable and like free from seats, definitely.

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Speaker 2: So Ray he dealt with his cash storage problems by

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Speaker 4: Totally keep your.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just wasn't adding up. So in June

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, I've seen that too. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: It was the largest bond ever posted in Florida's history

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Speaker 4: In Florida's history. Yeah, and some history.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. So this grand jury indicted him for smuggling

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Speaker 4: On drugs had had not started. Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: Raymond Grady Stancil Junior had died on New Year's Eve

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Speaker 2: in a scuba diving accident off the coast of Honduras. Well,

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Speaker 4: Its tragic.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break and when we get back entertainment

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Speaker 2: with these ads, We're going to continue this sad tale, Zaren, Karen,

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Speaker 4: Can I laugh during it? Dead?

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Speaker 2: No, don't laugh. It's so it's so sad. This is

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Speaker 2: It is. I don't know why you find this so funny.

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Speaker 2: Gave his life to Davy Jones's locker.

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Speaker 4: What's wrong face?

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Speaker 2: He died? Jarren shouldn't be smiling, but he didn't. No

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Speaker 3: No one would the federal prin He's like.

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Speaker 2: After a week after he made bail, he hopped on

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he did. Great questions there he and the

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, profriend makes.

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Speaker 2: Sense not to like the Key West girlfriend? Like, is

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Speaker 4: I think it sounds so.

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Speaker 2: It gets good. According to the Tampa Bay Times, Janet

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Speaker 2: It was a watering hole for an neglectic mix of politicians, millionaires, artists, musicians,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Buffetts sighting was Jimmy Buffett there and introduced.

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Speaker 2: So in Key West, he gets there, he's out on it.

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Speaker 2: He begs Janet come with me on the run. They're

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Speaker 4: Not true.

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Speaker 2: He's like, you don't have to ask me twice. Let's

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Speaker 4: Network.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the people he knew. They knew how to

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Speaker 2: that pretty much. So first they went to Honduras. He

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Speaker 2: In Honduras, he walked directly into the American embassy and

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Speaker 2: I've lost my passport. I mean, he did lose it,

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Speaker 2: but not in the way that he happlired Like, what's

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Speaker 2: I live in Florida. They're like, okay. So it turns

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Speaker 2: so they go to the island of Roatan. I'm probably

443
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: not saying that right, forty five miles off the northern

444
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 2: coast of Hondura. So during this Christmas break before he

445
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: fakes his death, all four of his kids, all between

446
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: the ages of eleven and sixteen. Yeah, they joined him

447
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: there and they like lived it up. They went snorkling,

448
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: never fishing in what may have been a torturous development.

449
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 2: They all sat around at night and listened to Janet

450
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 2: play the guitar, or maybe it was nice, like there's

451
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: just lots of puff. The magic Dragon rock me up

452
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: to say, she's like singing about blowing out a flip

453
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: flop top. So when the kids made it back to Florida,

454
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: the cops were there waiting to ask them and their

455
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: mom if they knew about Ray, like where can we

456
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: find him? They're like, no, idea, I don't know. The

457
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: four of us miners just all went to Honduras and

458
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: hung out on an island by ourselves. Get over it.

459
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 4: Wow.

460
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: So from the island, Ray and Janet they went to

461
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: Guatemala City, Guatemala, and they came up with a plan. Finally,

462
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: they're like, how about this, Let's get a forty foot

463
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: boat and just spend our days sailing the seven seas.

464
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 4: I mean, I like the plan. I like where your

465
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 4: head's at? You crazy cos it's not really a plan. Yeah,

466
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: that's the beginning.

467
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: And then they're like, how about how about this part

468
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: of the plant like a dream, We'll just keep going

469
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: until we get to the Great Barrier reef Wow, Okay,

470
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: do you have a general Pacific.

471
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 4: But good luck with that.

472
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: So off they go. They went Nicaragua, Anama, Colombia, Aruba, Currasow, Bonair.

473
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: They ditched the boat for a while and then hopped

474
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: on a motorcycle and like toodled all over the various

475
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: like Central American mountain ranges. Okay, And when they got

476
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: to Belize, things got dicey. They were recognized. One of

477
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 2: them was Janet was recognized, and but people didn't think

478
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: she was Janet. They thought she was Patty.

479
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 4: Hurst because and she was kidnapping, held.

480
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 2: For twenty four hours and then released.

481
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: But they're like, oh.

482
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: They finally, no, I'm not Patty Hurst. Off she goes.

483
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: She got pregnant. Congratulations you two. That sounds like a

484
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 2: fantastic stable like. So in her condition, the couple opted

485
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: to ditch the boat for good and just fly everyone.

486
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: Also medical care during the pregnancy.

487
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: Yes, So they go to Venezuela, Peru, Tahiti New Hebrides

488
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: now called Vanawatu. Yeah, and it was there that they

489
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: got married. But then sadly, Janet lost the baby, so

490
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: they were understandably bereft, and they they headed off to

491
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: Australia finally, you know, heading towards a great barrier reef.

492
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: They finally settled in North Queensland. It's super rural and

493
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: remote and the people their mind their own business and

494
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: it has amazing fish. Yeah, it's a perfect place for Ray.

495
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: So I have to say that Port Douglas, where they went,

496
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: might be the perfect place for me. It's I mean

497
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: it is. It's hot and tropical and muggy and prona

498
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: monsoons and cyclones for you. But according to Google street

499
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: View it's gorgeous. Gorgeous street are gorgeous and not crowded. Yeah.

500
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't love all the hot, tropical Oh my god,

501
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: the bugs, I can't even the bugs. Scene must be horrible.

502
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, here's from the outside article quote. There's a

503
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: saying in Australia's Far North Queensland region, your history starts here.

504
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: For decades, this remote stre of pristine beaches and lush

505
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: rainforest along the continent's northeastern edge has attracted an odd

506
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: ball mix of Australian hippies and starry eyed foreigners seeking

507
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 2: a fresh start. You could be a German count or

508
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: a renegade chemist who supplied LSD to the grateful dead.

509
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: No one gives us stuff, said Andrew Forsyth, himself a

510
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: former pilot who ferried Pope John Paul the Second and

511
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth around the world, and relocated to the area

512
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two after first visiting some forty

513
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: years prior. You could fire a gun down the street

514
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't hit anybody, said Norm Clinch, a machinist

515
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: from Brisbane who often fished out of Port Douglas. The

516
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: police there was one station and they'd be all in

517
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: their drunk or asleep.

518
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 4: A man, I would miss live music.

519
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: I probably have live music, but you're not going to

520
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: see the famous people. But you know, I think right now,

521
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: I think this region. I know Eastern Australia is having

522
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: terrible floodings.

523
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: Oh right now, took the summer the wildfire. God.

524
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyways, Sarah, close your eyes. Oh really, yeah, really,

525
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. It's October nineteen seventy five,

526
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: springtime in Australia. You are a bartender at the Courthouse

527
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: Hotel in Port Douglas. It's the oldest pub in Port

528
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 2: Douglas and, according to ownership, one of the most iconic

529
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: pubs in all of Australia. Clean and breezy. The place

530
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: sits on a corner of the port's main street and

531
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: looks out over Anzac Park and the harbor. From your

532
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: vantage point at the bar, you can look through the

533
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: wide open veranda to the street and the coral sea beyond.

534
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: You hear the rumble of an old fifties station wagon

535
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: come down Wharf Street. It's a slow afternoon at the pub.

536
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: The sun is shining and there's a lovely, sweet breeze.

537
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: You watch as the faded green station wagon eases into

538
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: a spot by the park, and then you watch a

539
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: couple get out of the car. They stretch out and

540
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: turn their faces to the sun, obviously stiff and tired

541
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: from a long drive. There's no traffic around them, just

542
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: the sound of the waves and the wind and some

543
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: palm trees. He's a tall, shaggy haired fellow with a

544
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: healthy mustache. She's a fit and happy brunette. As you expected,

545
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: they make their way from the parking lot to your bar.

546
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: The only patron inside on this afternoon is peg Leg Tommy.

547
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: He rests his one barefoot on the leg of his barstool,

548
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: with his rough artificial leg dangling beneath him. He's been

549
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,719
Speaker 2: here since you open this morning like many other days.

550
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: Nursing a whiskey sour and reading the newspaper out of

551
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Townsville City, the couple enter the pub and approach the bar.

552
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: What can I get for you? Ask in a clear

553
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: American accent. The man asks for a logger. The woman

554
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: orders a soda water peg Leg Tommy turns to them,

555
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: extends his hand for a shake, and introduces himself. The

556
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: couple are charmed by him. They pull up stools and

557
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: settle in. Tommy asks them what brings them to Port Douglas. Yes,

558
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: they tell him they've just relocated here. Lots of weeds

559
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: tumble in peg Leg. Tommy tells them they smile weed.

560
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: The man chuckles. You place their drinks on the bar

561
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: and share an odd with the man. Tommy asks where

562
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: they're from. I'm Lee Lafferty from Galveston, Texas in the USA.

563
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: He says. This is my wife, Janet. She's originally from Michigan.

564
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: To you and Tommy, that information means pretty much nothing,

565
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: but you both nod sagely. I'm a fisherman, Lee tells

566
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: you both, and my parents are dead. Janet says, you

567
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: and Tommy exchange side eyes. We really do get the

568
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: weirdos here, you think. Tommy launches into one of his

569
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: monologues about life in far North Queensland, regaling the couple

570
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: with tales of bull sharks and massive crocodiles. He hints

571
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: that that's how he lost his leg. You know better,

572
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: he got drunk and passed out at a lumber mill

573
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: when he was in his twenties in New South Wales.

574
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: Tommy asks the couple where they're living in the motel

575
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: down the road a bit, Lee says, But then he

576
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: tells you both that he's planning on designing a boat,

577
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: a fifty three footer they'll live on. That sounds like

578
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: a plan, Tommy says. He and Lee raise a toast

579
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: to that. Clinking glasses. You look out at the road

580
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: and wonder if the couple will like it here, make

581
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: a home here. You hope they do.

582
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: Like a cool couple.

583
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: Cool couples there, and you get that wish.

584
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: I do so.

585
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: Ray. He did build that big boat, and the couple

586
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: lived on it for seven years. It was their first home.

587
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: Oh for seven years.

588
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he designed and built this big, big old boat.

589
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, back at the ranch or the United States,

590
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: it was Ray's Stancil sighting fever. Yeah, so tips came

591
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: in that he was in a brothel in Belize, on

592
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: the beach in Panama, like sipping drinks and Aruba, hanging

593
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: out in Florida. North Florida Prosecutor David McGee said, quote,

594
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: it was like Elvis. He became kind of a legend.

595
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy six, a hot tip came in

596
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: from Doris. He wasn't just spotted, he was captured. The

597
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Florida Department of Law Enforcement. They were thrilled, so they

598
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: released this public announcement that Ray was alive in custody

599
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: and they were on their way to Honduras to go

600
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: scoop them up. But when they released, they get down

601
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 2: there and the cell is empty. But we knew that

602
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: because he wasn't he was in Australia.

603
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: I was assuming is that somebody who was using his

604
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: old passport, somebody had stolen found.

605
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what the story is. Dotris was just

606
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: yank in their chain. I don't know. Back in Australia,

607
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: Ray A Ka Lee and Janet she just used her

608
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 2: name because she's like, I'm not on the run. They

609
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: were doing great, according to outside quote. Lee outfished the

610
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: locals in part by using live bait caught with the

611
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: specially designed cast nets that he had Janet made and sold,

612
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: and quickly established himself as one of the best port

613
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Douglas had ever known. He wasn't just fitting in, he

614
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: was thriving totally. Yeah, everyone loved him, and he wasn't

615
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: making anyone suspicious by like throwing cash around totally.

616
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: And also just about to say that the thing about

617
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: I liked about him being good at fishing is you

618
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: can bomb with locals if you're a good fisherman, no

619
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: respect that, and they doesn't necessarily challenge them in the

620
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: way that they're going to get angry.

621
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: And it's not like he had these nuts and he

622
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: was all proprietary about it. He's like, we'll make some sold.

623
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: At one point he actually he he borrowed eight grand

624
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: from this other American expat in order to fix his boat.

625
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: So it was just like he was just a normal

626
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: guy and he like paid him back or whatever because.

627
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: He think he didn't have the money.

628
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: I think he took a lot of the money, and

629
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: I think they burned through a lot of the money

630
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: flipped all over South America. Yeah, so, but he was

631
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: just a normal guy. He did not go back for

632
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: visits to the United States. They can, yeah, and they

633
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: just became like a part of the fabric of the community.

634
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: So after they settled in.

635
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 4: His kids never came to visit him again. Now the

636
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: ones who visited him new interesting.

637
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he settles in. He and Janet they had two daughters,

638
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: Jesse born in nineteen seventy six and Keana born in

639
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. So Lee and Janet ray slash Lee. They

640
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: told their daughters a little bit about their dad's former life,

641
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: but they made it clear that this was just house talk, like,

642
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: don't tell anyone about this, So of course they told

643
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: people about it.

644
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 4: Well, they told one person.

645
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: When they were teenagers, the girls told their horseback riding

646
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: instructor about their dad and his you know, former smuggling ways.

647
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: The instructor Christine Doane. She was a former Olympic horseback

648
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: rider from the United States, So another tumble in. She

649
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: didn't tell anyone what she'd been told, and then her

650
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: brother married one of the girls, so she knew it

651
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: was like best to keep a zipped on family business.

652
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: She later though, told Outside magazine that she didn't like

653
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: the quote lies in secrecy, which created so much collateral

654
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: damage in the family. The secrecy and paranoia of the

655
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: entire family is twisted. Janet is one of the most

656
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: in denial humans I ever met. The family used to

657
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: treat this as a young man's hoot. They have an

658
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: enormous need to whitewash this, so let's consider that. Take

659
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: a break for some ads. When we return more Tales

660
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: of life on the run in remote Australia, zaren. When

661
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: we left off Ray and Janet, they had settled in

662
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: far North Queensland in Australia. Do you think I can

663
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: convince Admiral iHeart to pay for us to go to

664
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: Australia and meet up with AUSSI rude dudes and tour

665
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: the country at a leisurely pace.

666
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 4: You're very charming.

667
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 2: Do you have any good blackmail materials on the Admiral

668
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: that would.

669
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: Help give me a couple of weeks?

670
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, by the.

671
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: Way, I'm loving this story because it's like, you know,

672
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: actors get to do this where they get to live

673
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: a life that they didn't live by playing apart, whereas

674
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: I'm hearing a story that's like Oh, the road not taken.

675
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 4: It is the Baker daff and run away to Australia.

676
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: It's the Catharsis of Greek theater. We get to actually

677
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: live it without having to live it. Ray and Janet

678
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: they settled in kept quiet. So in the early eighties

679
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: they moved off the boat and they bought some property

680
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: and then Ray Aka Lee he founded Danetree River Cruise

681
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: Center and it still exists today.

682
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: You can still go there.

683
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, may I read to you from their website.

684
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 4: It's for IoT have to ask thank you.

685
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty seven, Lee and Janet Lafferty opened the

686
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: Danetree River Cruise Center with a vision to share the

687
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: spectacular wildlife and rainforest in the most environmentally sensitive way

688
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: possible dedicated conservationists with an infectious passion for wildlife. The

689
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Laffarty name quickly became synonymous with eco tourism and the

690
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: Danetree River. Lee was one of the original guides on

691
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: the river and gained a reputation as the authority on

692
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: its flora and fauna with his encyclopedic memory and constant

693
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: fascination with the river. He spent the rest of his

694
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: life educating others and sharing his passion through his tours.

695
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 4: I love on the early wave of eco tourism.

696
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and like so over the next decade, the

697
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: business just like takes off. It's an important part of

698
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: the region and it brought in a ton of tourist dollars.

699
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: And you see like pictures of it. It's there's a

700
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: river tour similar to it. It feels like in Kawaii

701
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: just about ask it looks like yeah, and it's like, so.

702
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: It looks like you're in Raiders of the Lost Art

703
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: South America exactly.

704
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: And it was it was important, like the business was

705
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: really important in establishing best practices for like cultural respect.

706
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: They got these you know, aboriginal cognition and stuff, conservation

707
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: community projects, that kind of stuff. So the family ran

708
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: this business for thirty five years. Ray aka Lee and Janet.

709
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: They lived happy, loving, fulfilling lives. But then in June

710
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: twenty eleventh, some major news broke. An American drug smuggler

711
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: hiding out in far North Queensland since the eighties had

712
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: been captured. Not Ray Peyton Edison i'dson.

713
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: There was another smuggler hiding.

714
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: In Idson or for those living in Juliatan don't j

715
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: U L A T T E. N apologies. I don't

716
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: know how to say it. An hour inland of Port Douglas,

717
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: an our away. They knew him as Michael McGoldrick McGoldrick.

718
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: But there's so that is right, there's another smuggler had

719
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: drifted out to Ray's middle of nowhere to start a

720
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: new life under a new identity just an hour way.

721
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: So Peyton Idsen he was the leader of a Santa Rosa,

722
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: California smuggling ring. He'd been busted operating an ocean going

723
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: freighter hauling forty thousand pounds at a time of weed

724
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: from Thailand to the States.

725
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: Twenty tons of pop.

726
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty. This was child's play for Ray, though He's like.

727
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: Both twenty that money over here, it's a huge amount.

728
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Ray was doing one hundred thousand pounds at

729
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: a time.

730
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, it's still.

731
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: It's a lot. Both of those guys, they're both impressive,

732
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: both day boys.

733
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 3: I'm very impressive, both of them pulling long Daddy's one

734
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: of them is much more impressive.

735
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 4: Yes.

736
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty six, this Peyton he skipped bail and

737
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: he and his wife and daughter used fake passports to

738
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 2: flee to Australia, and so just like Ray and Janet,

739
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: they opened a tourist operation. They had this like health

740
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: spa and luxury mountain retreat, okay, and just like Ray

741
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: a Janet, they'd become beloved members.

742
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: Of the community gratually.

743
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: So at some point in twenty eleven, the Australian authorities

744
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: figured out that the real Michael McGoldrick had died in

745
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: Las Vegas in the eighties, So who is this guy?

746
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: So they contacted the US Diplomatic Security Service and like

747
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: a little sleuthing here, some snoop in there, boom, they

748
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: uncover him Peyton and it was just an hour away

749
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: from Ray. I'm still trying to get my head around this.

750
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: And since they both owned tourist operations, I wonder if

751
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: they ever crossed paths.

752
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure they had to have tourist industry like conventions, Yeah.

753
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: Getting awards. Wow.

754
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: Can you imagine though, Ray or whatever, Ray's fear when

755
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: he sees that headline and he's like, there's no cops

756
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: out the window, but he's.

757
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: Like freaked him out, Like the whole thing freaked him out,

758
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: and like he he and Janet were just squirrely after

759
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: this bet because then just three years later, someone grasped him,

760
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: someone ratted him out. I have my suspicions horse raider. Yeah,

761
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't know whoever it was. Didn't

762
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: go to the cops, though. They went to the press,

763
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: specifically to Pulitzer Prize winning Florida newspaper reporter Lucy Morgan.

764
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: So at this point, she's semi retired, she's seventy four

765
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: years old, but she has spent like much of her

766
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: career reporting on Ray and like keeping tabs on all

767
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: the sightings. She'd written all these articles about him and

768
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: like that whole smuggling scene, and then as they're like

769
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: taken down one by one, she reports on it everyone

770
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: but Ray. So she got all these tips over the years,

771
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: and she's like, you know, I get kind of tired

772
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: of I'll look into this one and like, you know,

773
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Ray living is like an envirol warrior in

774
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: rural Australia. Like, oh fine, I'll just chase this one down.

775
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: It's original. So she starts doing her deep dives. Where

776
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: was Ray at this point, Well, he's still on the

777
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: tour service, but now he was battling Parkinson's disease.

778
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: All right, he's getting up there.

779
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like medication was helping, but it limited his activities,

780
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: so he couldn't do as much on the boats. He

781
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be driving. His hands shook something terrible

782
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: and he was getting really weak, like a lot of

783
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: muscle loss. On the afternoon of May twenty six, twenty fifteen,

784
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: a call came into local police. A pickup truck driving

785
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: on a winding road had wrecked and wrapped around a

786
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: massive gum tree. There was this old dog of Beichmpfreze

787
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: in the truck that was like a little bit dazed

788
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: but was going to be okay. But the driver gone

789
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: killed instantly. It was ray this time he really did die.

790
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 6: Oh.

791
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: Everyone in Port Douglas is absolutely devastated. The mayor called

792
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: him a lovely man and a gentleman. His neighbors and

793
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: his friends like praised his extensive scientific knowledge, his drive

794
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: for preservation. One guy said that he didn't have a

795
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: bad bone in his body.

796
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 4: Take surprise, come to your way.

797
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, and you know they had some bad bones

798
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: in his body. He had used him in one of

799
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: the metaphors, are.

800
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: There bones in your body? Like doesn't have a racist

801
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 4: bone in their body, doesn't have a bad bone in

802
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 4: the kid. The whole idea of thematic bones and bodies

803
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 4: kills me, right.

804
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: Exactly, So the truth comes out. Lucy Morgan broke the

805
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: story in the Tampa Bay Times, so she gets the

806
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: tip he dies, and then.

807
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: She breaks the confirmation he divorced.

808
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: He had divorced Janet in twenty eleven, but.

809
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: It really got squirrely.

810
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So either because of that or maybe despite that,

811
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. This huge piece runs in the Tampa

812
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: Bay Times. His sister said, quote, it really just broke

813
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: my heart when he disappeared. He never tried to contact

814
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: us again. I felt so bad that his children had

815
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: to grow up without him. So you know he's this

816
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: he's two people, Yeah, totally. And about those kids though,

817
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: two of the boys, Ronald and Raymond Junior, Raymond the third.

818
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: So if Ronald and Raimon in the third, Yeah, they

819
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: did time in federal prison importing cocaine. Hell, you know

820
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: they were.

821
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: In legends like that. You're gonna think this is always

822
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 4: an option.

823
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: Sure, well, they were indicted in nineteen ninety one. Both

824
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: of them then immediately went on the LAMB. I learned

825
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: it from Watching You, Ronald, he got picked up in

826
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, but Ray the Third he was able

827
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: to avoid capture for twenty years, just like.

828
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 4: Popa Wow, knock off the bill.

829
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: He headed up to Alaska. He went the other direction,

830
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: and he used the name Don Davenport. Oh, He's like,

831
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: I'm Don Davenport from Colorado. Yeah, so he got married.

832
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: What's amazing is that he married a cop. One of

833
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: the articles refers to her as a Kodiak police officer.

834
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: So I like to imagine a big bear in a

835
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: police So much more fun that way. So Ray the Third, Oh,

836
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: when he's married to the to the bear. He also

837
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: had a wife and kid back in Florida. But whatever

838
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: did he do it? Just like Papa from Watching You,

839
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: he got busted in Texas in twenty ten, gets extradited

840
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: to Florida. Yeah, he told Outside Magazine via a letter

841
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: written from the Federal pen quote, I think my father

842
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: picked a good place to have a life, and I'm

843
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: glad that he won and got out of here when

844
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 2: he did. I missed him, but used what he taught

845
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: me and lived without regrets for my life. That's yeah,

846
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: devastating about what he taught you. Ronald was right there

847
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: with his brother. He wrote in a letter to Outside

848
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: from the Federal.

849
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: Pen quote, they have time.

850
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't blame Dad for not showing up. I'm sure

851
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: that he missed certain aspects of what was left behind.

852
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: It's like you cut a chunk out of your heart leaving.

853
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: But things seldom end the way you visualize. In life.

854
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: You can only take your best shot and roll with

855
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: the punches.

856
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: Wow.

857
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's had some rough emotional lows.

858
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

859
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: So, like I said, the Riverboat Company still exists. This

860
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: is from their website. When Lee passed away in twenty fifteen,

861
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: his daughter Kiana inherited the business and assumed the responsibility

862
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: of championing this amazing ecosystem to the world. Keana has

863
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: remained dedicated to operating sustainably and in harmony with the

864
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: environment and local community. She continues to uphold all the

865
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: values put in place by her father and has proven

866
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: herself not only as a business owner, but also as

867
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: a passionate environmental activist.

868
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: Good for her.

869
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, to close this out, I'd like to leave

870
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: you with commentary from Norman Duke.

871
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 4: Not the Norman Duke.

872
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the world's foremost authority on Mangrove for us and

873
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: also close friend of Ray Slash Lee. Thank you When

874
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: asked about how people in far North Queensland talk about

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Speaker 2: Lee as someone who found redemption, as a man running

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Speaker 2: away from a troubled past, who transformed himself into a

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Speaker 2: protector of one of the world's most pristine natural habitats.

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Speaker 2: This is what Duke had to say, quote reflecting on

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Speaker 2: it now, It's just what Australia is all about. It's

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Speaker 2: all about redemption, all about finding a new life.

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Speaker 4: Interesting way I look at colonialism.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 4: Hearing the road not taken? I am glad I took

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Speaker 4: the road.

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Speaker 3: I did he too, because living life on the lamb

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Speaker 3: sounds like just punishing for anyone who ever once loved you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think is my takeaway. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for asking. All right, Yeah, what did you think is

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Speaker 2: the complexity of being these two? He's still in there,

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Speaker 2: there's the bone and the body thing, right, Like, so

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Speaker 2: he's the as a as a fugitive or as a criminal.

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Speaker 2: He's got these good aspects to who he is. He's

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Speaker 2: always been an environmentalist and like you know, but like

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Speaker 2: a very personal likable.

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Speaker 4: You know, they like people.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't violent, he didn't hurt people, but there was

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Speaker 2: a certain violence to abandoning the family.

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Speaker 4: And the kids.

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Speaker 2: And you see that like his his boys think that

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Speaker 2: he's you know, he was a good role model, I guess,

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Speaker 2: whereas like he took down both of their I don't

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Speaker 2: see it like when from like a they stand back

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Speaker 2: when we get a view from where we see it

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Speaker 2: of like the damage that he did to these guys, because.

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Speaker 3: I don't fault them for thinking what they think, and

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Speaker 3: I don't even pity them. It's not like that, but

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Speaker 3: I can see the limits of their world like a

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Speaker 3: snow globe, yea, And they don't know that they're in

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Speaker 3: the snow globe, and it doesn't have to be the

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Speaker 3: way they know right and smart for what they know

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Speaker 3: from based on where they what they have, no, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. I admire how they reacted to

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Speaker 3: their world. In some ways, I feel bad that their

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Speaker 3: dad pushed him into that snowbe.

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Speaker 2: And the Horseback Lady talking about Janet being so in denial.

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Speaker 2: We have to survive, Like how having that hang over

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Speaker 2: you that you have you build this lovely life in

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Speaker 2: this community come crashing down in one moment. That the

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Speaker 2: pressure of that, you kind of have to disassociated the

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Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, what was horse lady?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't mean that she decided not to snitch

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Speaker 3: because it benefited her family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same. It's the same choice she's not

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Speaker 4: because it benefits her family, exactly.

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Speaker 2: A choice exactly. But so like this notion of redemption,

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Speaker 2: I am fully a believer in that, and I'm a

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Speaker 2: believer in reinvention of oneself. I think that's an important solitary.

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Speaker 2: But the wreckage in your wake.

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Speaker 4: Good, none of us are in island, Jack.

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Speaker 2: No, and it brings me back to.

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Speaker 4: Obligations, your original thesis.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, yes that in summary, embrace your obligations. You

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Speaker 2: know that you have. You can't run from them, and

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Speaker 2: it causes more wreckage when you do. Dave, I need

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Speaker 2: to talk back.

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Speaker 4: I got your covered.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, Hella, get.

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Speaker 6: with that fabulus story from Alabama a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: And thank you for being my constant companions in the car.

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Speaker 6: You make me laugh every day. I love widiquitous quime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here we do it for you for the people.

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Speaker 4: That's what you want.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love that one. Uh that's us for today.

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Speaker 2: You can find us online at Ridiculous Crime dot com,

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Speaker 2: Crime at gmail dot com. Leave us a talkback on

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Speaker 2: going to come out, if it has or if it

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Speaker 2: and iHeart podcast. We're on that on two. Yeah. We'll

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