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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Drama

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Speaker 2: of course in the Trump trial, as Judge Marchand comes

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Speaker 2: after Donald Trump or allegedly violating a gag order. Lots

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Speaker 2: of discussion about that. The trial continues with David Pecker.

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Speaker 2: What a name on the witness stand who was in

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Speaker 2: charge of the National Inquirer at the time there is

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Speaker 2: I would encourage you guys. I shared it. We'll throw

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Speaker 2: it up on Clay and Buck as well. Amazingly, The

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Speaker 2: New York Times has published a savage takedown of the

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Speaker 2: charges being brought against Trump by a Boston University professor.

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Speaker 2: I'd encourage you guys to go read it. It's really

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Speaker 2: really well done. We may talk some about that Alec

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Speaker 2: Baldwin in the news you had again for being harassed,

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Speaker 2: but you may listen to the audio and actually find

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Speaker 2: yourselves unbelievably thinking that Alec Baldwood is not the bad guy,

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Speaker 2: which is the way Buck and I both responded.

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Speaker 3: I just want to prepare everybody today. We have a

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Speaker 3: number of instances where we're going to have to call

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Speaker 3: out people that we usually are throwing haymakers out here

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Speaker 3: on the show, we're going to be giving them a

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Speaker 3: golf clap.

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Speaker 1: I just want every to there are a few instances

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Speaker 1: of this.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we spent a lot of time talking about the

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Speaker 2: protests that are taking place on so many university campuses.

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Speaker 2: I would say primarily in the Northeast, although it's also

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Speaker 2: on the West Coast. Now leftist institutions overwhelmingly now having

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Speaker 2: sit in protests, tents out on quads to attack Israel

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Speaker 2: for the way that they are defending themselves in the

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Speaker 2: wake of the October seventh terror attacks and Columbia Universe.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe this is real. Columbia University has ended

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Speaker 2: all in person classes for the remainder of the semester

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Speaker 2: because they don't feel like it is safe, essentially for

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Speaker 2: students to be on campus, particularly students who might be Jewish.

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Speaker 2: This is turned into a huge deal, yu. I know

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Speaker 2: they had a raid last night from the New York

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Speaker 2: Police Department, but they also have faculty that are walking

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Speaker 2: out and trying to create human shields for the pro Palestine.

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Speaker 2: However you want to classify it. I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: necessarily pro Hamas, although some of them do seem to

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Speaker 2: be explicitly pro proma Humas. Basically I think characterized as

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Speaker 2: anti Israel. Protest is a fair way to say this.

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Speaker 2: That are springing up all over the country and we

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Speaker 2: have to give credit. I can't believe it. But on

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Speaker 2: morning Joe Joe Scarborough, who is right up there with

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Speaker 2: the view in terms of regular propaganda idiocy that is

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Speaker 2: being espoused, he had a really good question. I want

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Speaker 2: to play that for you and then I will play

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Speaker 2: the response, but first credit where credit is due, Joe

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Speaker 4: One of my pet peeves seems to be one of

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Speaker 4: your pet peeves, and that is you know, two million

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Speaker 4: people have been killed in the Sadan Civil War. I

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Speaker 4: haven't seen a protest in Yu for that Assad killed

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Speaker 4: five hundred Arabs.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see colleges.

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Speaker 4: Burned down, five hundred thousand Arabs killed by Asad Saddam

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Speaker 4: Hussein killed over a million Muslims and wars I gassed them.

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Speaker 4: I didn't see protests there.

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Speaker 5: Yet.

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Speaker 4: Your school is shut down right now because Israel is

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Speaker 4: responding to the worst attack against Jews worldwide since the

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Speaker 4: Holy Cost.

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Speaker 1: Help us sort through that.

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Speaker 3: Great question, right, I mean credit where credit is due.

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Speaker 3: He's entirely right in Clay, You and I see this

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Speaker 3: the same way. I want to get to that guy

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Speaker 3: away respond which just real quick, who's a professor at

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Speaker 3: yu at Nyu actually the school that I almost went to,

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Speaker 3: Nyu stir in the business school. But you could do

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Speaker 3: this in a whole range of ways. You look at

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Speaker 3: the deaths in all those wars that he brought up.

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Speaker 3: You look at the Yameni Civil War, which has claimed

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Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of lives. People are starving to death.

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Speaker 3: It's been horrible. But it's Muslims killing Muslims. Yes, And

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Speaker 3: this is a little bit like and this is where

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Speaker 3: you and I see it the same way. When we

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Speaker 3: talk about police violence or gun violence in this country,

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Speaker 3: it's only very specific gun violence or police involved violence

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Speaker 3: as we've talked about, BLM pretends that it is cops

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Speaker 3: thankfully incredibly rare event. But black people killing other black

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Speaker 3: his Clay. No, they're anti Jewish. It's only when when

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Speaker 3: the Jewish people are are fighting against Hamas that all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden were any terrorist entity. This really matters.

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Speaker 3: But Galloway's he's right here.

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Speaker 2: You want to call yeah, I even say, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: even say it's anti Jewish. I think it's what really

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Speaker 2: that Jewish people are seen as white and as similarly BLMS.

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Speaker 3: When this whole thing broke out, that this is a

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Speaker 3: race conflict. That's how it's seen in America.

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Speaker 2: They only care BLM does when a white person is

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Speaker 2: involved in taking a black life, because remember, even when

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Speaker 2: it's police involved. The situation the murder of the guy

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Speaker 2: cops in Memphis, that story vanished. They put out video

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Speaker 2: can't even remember his name.

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 2: He certainly didn't get any statues. There wasn't any riots

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Speaker 2: to speak of. It totally vanished. Now, if five black

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Speaker 2: Memphis would have burned down. But because it was it

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Speaker 2: wasn't even just a police thing. It's just what color

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Speaker 2: are the police officers, which is crazy, but that's how

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Speaker 2: this is connected. But the response to I wish he's

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Speaker 2: never going to do it, because that's going too far.

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Speaker 2: But I wish that Joe Scarborough had made that connection

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Speaker 2: and said, wait a minute. All these BLM protests are

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Speaker 2: similarly motivated, not on actual violence, but by what the

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Speaker 2: Who is, in other words, the oppressor, who is the colonizer.

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Speaker 2: But here is Professor Galloway's response to that good question

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Speaker 6: I'll give you some more numbers. Twenty two hundred American

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Speaker 6: servicemen killed at Pearl Harbor. We go on to kill

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Speaker 6: If Mexico had elected the hottest cartel to run their

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Speaker 6: per capita basis, killed thirty five thousand people or the

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Speaker 1: What would we do. It'd be the Great.

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Speaker 6: Sonora radioactive parking lot. But Jews are not allowed and

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Speaker 6: Israel is not allowed to prosecute a war, and they

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Speaker 1: A war more humanly than we have done.

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Speaker 6: The ratio of combatants to civilians, civilian death to combatant

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Speaker 6: just a different standard for Jews in Israel when it

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Speaker 6: comes to prosecuting a war. They're allowed to fight back

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Speaker 1: It's a double standard. Overwhelmingly I agree with that answer.

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Speaker 3: I would just say not really fair to combine to

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Speaker 3: he was saying Japan and Germany that we prosecute the war,

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Speaker 3: it was a long time ago that All said. His

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Speaker 2: But then obviously Hamas interacting violently on October seventh is

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Speaker 2: Building on that analogy, everybody who is attacking Western civilization

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Speaker 3: I also think that we may be And it depends

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Speaker 3: BLM two point zero, Really it began with George Floyd

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Speaker 1: We're a little more earlier.

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Speaker 3: it's obviously almost May, but I think the problem they're

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Speaker 2: Israel protest is beneficial to the Democrat Party. I think

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Speaker 2: it might actually cost them the election, which makes me wonder.

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Speaker 2: You know, once you turn the crazy, once you let

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Speaker 2: crazy people rule you, it's hard to manage crazy people.

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Speaker 2: And the crazy kind of seems out of control right now.

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Speaker 2: How do you put the crazy back into the corral

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Speaker 2: where the crazy is beneficial to you. It's like the uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, the cattle wrestling. One of the best Western

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Speaker 2: movies of all time actually a mini series Lonesome Dove,

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Speaker 2: one of the great all time Western novels by Larrymi Merchry.

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Speaker 2: It's all well and good when you've got the herd

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Speaker 2: moving in the direction you want to to go. But

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Speaker 2: when the herd breaks free, things fall apart in a hurry.

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Speaker 2: It feels to me like the Democrat herd, this horde

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Speaker 2: of protesters that they have been able to direct. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you're the white man's the problem. Let's go burn down

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Speaker 2: a police precinct. Black people are being murdered indiscriminately. What

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Speaker 2: happens when that turns on itself? Because you got some

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Speaker 2: people who were in the BLM protest that are now

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Speaker 2: walking past Columbia and they're Jewish, and they're like, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, these people we had to shut down Columbia University.

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Speaker 1: These people are crazy telling you.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was at a passover with conservative Jews last night

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Speaker 3: and we're talking about this issue, and I was, you know,

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Speaker 3: reading for I don't know, I don't know. Remember I

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Speaker 3: learned a little bit of the Hebrew, but I forget.

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Speaker 3: But I was reading from the books and doing all

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Speaker 3: the stuff. And we talked about this afterwards. The left

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Speaker 3: wing Jews as much as left wing Jews, I'm not

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Speaker 3: you know, we are the conservative Jews of our already know,

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Speaker 3: you know, they the Hollywood the Jewish community.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say, like that's sort of an easy way

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Speaker 2: to like describe, like a left wing Jew would be

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Speaker 2: like a Hollywood Jew, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the left wing secular, I mean they're sort of

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Speaker 3: culturally and I you know, from an identity perspective Jewish,

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Speaker 3: they tend not to be very religious. The religious Jews,

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Speaker 3: the conservative Jews politically and religiously, they're already on team

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Speaker 3: Reality here. The left wing Jews, I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 3: even with all this crazy stuff on campus, they're not

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Speaker 3: gonna vote for Donald Trump. And that's they're just they're

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Speaker 3: not gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: But will they not show up or will they vote

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior. I think the I think they're still gonna

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Speaker 1: vote for Joe Biden. I'm just you know, there's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Say, oh, he doesn't have a choice, but he's but

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Speaker 3: he's good on the choice issue. He's good on abortion,

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Speaker 3: and he's you know, he's not he pretends to be

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Speaker 3: a religious Catholic, but he's not really he's actually a secular,

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Speaker 3: a secular Marxist fraud, and you know they're gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: telling this is my fear. We'll see, but I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't see the The Jews who see reality already

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Speaker 3: see reality. You know, in terms of this election, I've

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Speaker 3: seen it a long time.

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Speaker 2: Crafts of the world are looking around. He's a billionaire,

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Speaker 2: ostensibly a man who has supported BLM. I think some

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Speaker 2: of them are looking around and saying, holy hell, we've

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Speaker 2: unleashed the furies here.

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Speaker 1: This craziness is too much for me. I could be

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Speaker 1: wrong again.

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Speaker 2: I tend to be an optimist and tend to be

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Speaker 2: rational in the way that I analyze things, and we

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Speaker 2: certainly live in an irrational era.

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Speaker 1: If Jewish people vote for.

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Speaker 2: Democrats, I think any Jewish person who votes for Democrats

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Speaker 2: is crazy in twenty twenty four, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just based on what you're seeing.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, you know, making sense of the stock market

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Speaker 3: Evidently Trump is speaking right outside of the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: We're going to analyze this in greater detail. Let's go

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Speaker 2: listen to what he's saying live right now.

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Speaker 5: What's going on in this country now should have never happened,

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Speaker 5: But of course he grant would have happened.

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Speaker 1: He Israeli attacked, would have never happened. Inflation would have

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Speaker 1: never happened. We have the worst president of the history

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Speaker 1: of country, and he's the one that has in.

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Speaker 6: All these different books.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So that was that was We caught the

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Speaker 2: tail in there, and we'll see if there was anything

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Speaker 2: that he said at the front end. I think very

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Speaker 2: similar probably to what was said before. Now, uh, let's

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Speaker 2: dive into Buck. I was surprised that this is that

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Speaker 2: this is out there, but this was published a little

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Speaker 2: bit earlier today at a guest essay for the New

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Speaker 2: York Times opinion piece. I thought the brag case against

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Speaker 2: the headline. I thought the brag case against Trump was

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Speaker 2: a legal embarrassment. Now I I think it's a historic mistake.

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Speaker 2: This is by a man named Jed Sugarman. He is

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Speaker 2: a law professor at BU and this is going a

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Speaker 2: little bit into the weeds, but I would encourage you

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Speaker 2: guys to read this. It'll be linked up at clayanbuck

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Speaker 2: dot com. I give credit, which is rare. We've given

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Speaker 2: credit to Joe Scarborough on MSNBC, and now we're giving

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Speaker 2: credit to the New York Times for publishing this. What

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Speaker 2: he says and this goes to the essence of his

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Speaker 2: piece is that there are three real major issues that

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Speaker 2: he believes are impossible to overlook, and I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to summarize these. It's a little bit complicated. It's almost

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Speaker 2: like in this analysis, you're almost getting a law degree.

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Speaker 2: For those of you who remember we talked about OJ

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Speaker 2: Simpson dying a couple of weeks ago, this in the

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Speaker 2: in the way that everybody almost got a law license

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Speaker 2: by just following the OJ Simpson case closely, similarly, Bush v.

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Speaker 2: Gore in two thousand, you are almost getting a behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes look at how a law license his gain.

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Speaker 2: But he points to three big things and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to summarize here first, and I'm reading from him. He

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Speaker 2: could find no previous case of any state prosecutor relying

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Speaker 2: on the Federal Election Campaign Act as a direct crime

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Speaker 2: or a predicate crime. And so the first part here

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Speaker 2: is this is a big deal. Effectively, Alvin Bragg is

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Speaker 2: trying to use a state law to prosecute a violation

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Speaker 2: of federal campaign finance law. Second, remember, in order to

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Speaker 2: elevate this case, this is his second argument. In order

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Speaker 2: to elevate this case from a misdemeanor to a felony,

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Speaker 2: there has to be a second crime, and the second

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Speaker 2: crime that is underlying here still has not been specified.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy to me by Alvin Bragg. He gave

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Speaker 2: four different potential criteria that would support it merchand accepted

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Speaker 2: three of those arguments, but they still haven't even specified

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Speaker 2: the second crime which would allow this to be elevated

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Speaker 2: to a felony. And the third here is there is

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Speaker 2: no New York precedent to allow this case to be occurring. Again,

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Speaker 2: I would encourage you to go read the case yourself

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Speaker 2: to a large degree. But those are three major arguments

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Speaker 2: that he is making here. And so this is why

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Speaker 2: I've said, and everybody got so fired up at me.

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Speaker 2: If I were on this jury, I would vote not

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Speaker 2: guilty because this is legally insufficient, in my opinion, to

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Speaker 2: be able to justify a conviction. I'm looking at this

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Speaker 2: from a legal perspective. I think there's a decent chance

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Speaker 2: this will all be struck down and eventually it will

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Speaker 2: go all the way, I think, to the United States

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Now, if there's a conviction, what he points out,

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Speaker 2: which I think is really significant here is he says

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Speaker 2: that he thinks the Trump team failed. This is an

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Speaker 2: important part by not trying to make an argument. If

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Speaker 2: they had raised the issue of selective or vindictive prosecution,

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Speaker 2: they could have delayed the trial past election day, even

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Speaker 2: if they lost at each federal stage. So he's not

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Speaker 2: just saying it's not a great crime. He's saying he

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Speaker 2: does not a crime as it's constituted. Also that he

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Speaker 2: doesn't think Trump's legal team has provided the best defense

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Speaker 2: possible for him.

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Speaker 1: So all of this rolled in to say, most.

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Speaker 2: Decent and reasoned legal analysts think this Alvin braggcase is

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Speaker 2: a total farce. And I give credit to the New

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Speaker 2: York Times for actually carrying this piece. But if you

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Speaker 2: just watch it MSNBC or CNN, you would get the

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Speaker 2: idea that this is a very legitimate prosecution.

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Speaker 1: And the reality is is it is not.

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Speaker 3: It's absurd, it's indefensible, there's no good faith explanation, and

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Speaker 3: it's effectively the legal equivalent of creating a carnival dunk tank.

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Speaker 3: And Donald Trump is sitting on the on the little seat,

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Speaker 3: remember those things, you know, and you would throw the

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Speaker 3: ball and if you hit the lever, the guy drops

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Speaker 3: into the dunk tank.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've been in a dunk tank before. You ever

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Speaker 2: had to sit in a dunk tank. Oh, yeah, sitting

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Speaker 2: in the.

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Speaker 3: Dunk tank is fun. I mean, let's be honest, you know,

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Speaker 3: you kind of want a brutal and then somebody always does.

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Speaker 3: Oh they just walk up and they slap it with

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Speaker 3: their hand, and it's like, well, you know, you're really

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Speaker 3: not supposed to do that. You're supposed to hit it

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Speaker 3: with the ball. But anyway, the dunk tank, you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you got to go in. This is a dunk

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Speaker 3: tank in New York City that Alvin Bragg is currently operating.

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Speaker 3: It is a dunk tank with a former president of

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Speaker 3: the United States, you know, sitting there, and it is

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Speaker 3: making a mockery of the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: This is really frightening.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we often talk about. You know,

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Speaker 3: what's different about America from other places, Clay, There are

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Speaker 3: other countries with the rule of law, but it is

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Speaker 3: still something rare to be in America or to believe

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Speaker 3: in American justice in the way that we all do

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Speaker 3: in a lot of other countries. First of all, there's

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Speaker 3: basically no justice system to speak of. But even when

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Speaker 3: they try, the system that we have, you have as

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Speaker 3: a citizen, as an American, you have a far better

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Speaker 3: shot than you would in any other place. Once you

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Speaker 3: start to have Americans lose faith in the criminal justice system,

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Speaker 3: you start to wonder, how different are we from a

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Speaker 3: lot of these countries that we think have lost their way?

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Speaker 3: How different are we from from places where the powerful

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Speaker 3: rule and everybody just does what they're told.

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Speaker 2: And also what happens if Trump is convicted here This

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Speaker 2: is why I look ahead to twenty twenty four in

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Speaker 2: six months. If Trump loses this race, then the lesson

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Speaker 2: the Democrats are going to take be quite certain is

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Speaker 2: lawfair works? Because they have an unbelievably awful candidate. Look

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Speaker 2: at what they're arguing in favor of Joe Biden. They're

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Speaker 2: going to go all in on. They're already running these ads.

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Speaker 2: Police officers are going to pull you over and make

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Speaker 2: women take pregnancy tests. They're going to go with the

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Speaker 2: Handmaid's Tale to terrify women, and they're gonna what argue otherwise,

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Speaker 2: democracy's at stake while they try to put their chief

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Speaker 2: political rival in prison for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: If they can win this race, they will say we'll

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Speaker 2: never have a worse candidate than Biden. And yet with lawfair.

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Speaker 2: We were able to win, we were able to beat Trump.

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Speaker 2: They'll try this again. And if you're out there and

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Speaker 2: you think, oh, Trump's uniquely awful, they'll never be able

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Speaker 2: to find something to peg on anyone else. I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: to tell you you're wrong. Every one of you just

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Speaker 2: about listening to us right now. If a federal prosecutor

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Speaker 2: decided to go through everything that you have done in

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Speaker 2: the last five years of your life and did a

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Speaker 2: deep dive, that federal prosecutor, I'm sorry to say, could

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Speaker 2: find something to charge you with too. And you can

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Speaker 2: sit out there and you can say, not me, no

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Speaker 2: way you. I mean, this is the truth.

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Speaker 3: If that felt like an exaggeration, people like you and

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Speaker 3: me have been saying this for a long time. If

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Speaker 3: it felt like an exaggeration before, how could anyone think

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Speaker 3: it's an exaggeration?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is being prosecuted for the wave that his

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Speaker 3: lawyer recorded an NDA. Yes, who the crime?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: Even we talk about So there's there's malamon say, malum

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Speaker 3: prohibitum right, maluman say hitting your neighbor over the head

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Speaker 3: with a shovel and killing him because you don't like him.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what the law is. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: if you're in New York or Kentucky or or you know,

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Speaker 3: Katman dou like, that's wrong, that's evil, right, you can't

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 1: That's maluman.

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Speaker 3: Say it's bad because it's malum prohibitum, bad because the

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Speaker 3: state says so.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But even in malum prohibitum cases, there's some explanation as

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Speaker 3: to why this state, you know, it would create disorder,

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Speaker 3: or the state couldn't fund itself, or you know whatever. Right,

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Speaker 3: the state is a party to a wrong in some way.

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Speaker 3: Now that can be abused, and there are things that

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Speaker 3: are malum prohibitum that I don't think should be. I

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Speaker 3: just bring it up because in this instance, the wrong

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Speaker 3: is the public's right to know about this, because it

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Speaker 3: would have changed how they view an election.

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Speaker 1: You shoel.

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Speaker 3: What I'm like, this is, this is a purely political crime.

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Speaker 3: The state wasn't deprived of funds. The state wasn't wasn't

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Speaker 3: you know, repudiated in some way, or there wasn't some

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00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: issue of they just he just felt like the state

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Speaker 3: had a right to know this, or rather the public

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Speaker 3: had a right to know this.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is preposterous.

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Speaker 2: Even the way that they are trying to characterize it.

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Speaker 2: They're saying, this is the hush money trial, this is

708
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Speaker 2: the hush money case. Hush money is legal. This is important.

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Speaker 2: It's legal to pay hush money. Trump did not break

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Speaker 2: the law by paying Stormy Daniels one hundred and thirty

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00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to sign an NDA and not tell her story.

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Speaker 2: Hush Money is legal.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes this happened with David Letterman. Some of you will

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Speaker 2: remember an attempt to get hush money can be considered extortion.

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Speaker 2: Remember in the David Letterman case, the woman's I think

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Speaker 2: you still and I'm paraphrasing here, so if I get

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Speaker 2: some of the details wrong, The woman used to work

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Speaker 2: for David Letterman, had a relationship with him, said I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go public unless you pay me off. Letterman

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Speaker 2: went to authorities and they arrested the woman for extorting him.

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Speaker 1: No, I thought was the husband. The husband extorted him? Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe yeah.

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Speaker 3: The husband of the woman said, I'm going to sell

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Speaker 3: you a screenplay about a guy who does a late

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Speaker 3: night talk show who has an affair, and it was

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Speaker 3: a thinly veiled extortion scheme. And Letterman went to if

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Speaker 3: my memory serves that is how it went down.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that may be, but the point on this is

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Speaker 2: usually if David Letterman had just paid, the hush money

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Speaker 2: itself is not a crime. So even when they're saying

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Speaker 2: this is the hush money case, no, no, no, it's not

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Speaker 2: even a hush money case.

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Speaker 1: It is a.

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Speaker 2: Allegation of a bookkeeping irregularity. And I think this is

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Speaker 2: also important, and I don't know if it will eventually

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Speaker 2: come out a trial. I actually think the reason that

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Speaker 2: Trump paid Stormy Daniels had nothing to do with the election.

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Speaker 2: I think he didn't want Milania to hear this story.

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Speaker 2: I think he was actually trying to protect his marriage

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Speaker 2: as opposed to his viability as an electoral candidate. Because

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Speaker 2: I don't think many people would have been impacted by

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Speaker 2: this story in terms of what they thought about Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump's marriage could have been impacted also.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many things here. We sit here

746
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: and go around over and over. The federal government that

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00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: would be the authority for a federal election said there's

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Speaker 3: no crime here, correct, But Alvin bresh so they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: even charge, they would't even bring a case. But Alvin

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Speaker 3: Bragg is saying I'm going to bring something based on

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Speaker 3: New York law, and I'm going to use the federal

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Speaker 3: law that you didn't think Trump violated as the excuse

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Speaker 3: to elevate the New York state charge to a felon.

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Speaker 3: Then I'm going to do a repetitive count maneuver where

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Speaker 3: you have thirty four instances of the same thing because

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Speaker 3: of each time it was listed anywhere or sent in

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Speaker 3: an email or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And this guy, Alvin Bragg, is a lunatic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And if you were on this jury, if I

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Speaker 2: had been fortunate enough to be seated on this jury,

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that I would have one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent said not guilty. Because I've analyzed all this, I've

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Speaker 2: looked at it. There's nothing unless there's some crazy story

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Speaker 2: that none of us have heard, which I'll leave out

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Speaker 2: there as a possibility. Hasn't happened yet, unless there's some

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Speaker 2: detail of this case that changes my perceptions of it completely.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of law, I don't see any way

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Speaker 2: that a person who is a functional fair juror with

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Speaker 2: a brain that works could vote not could vote guilty here.

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Speaker 2: I think you're obligated to vote not guilty. Now, rig

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Speaker 2: jury system. A lot of people hate Trump, they don't

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Speaker 2: care about the details. But what we just ran through

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Speaker 2: the New York Times editorial that we just discussed actually

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Speaker 2: makes this very sound legal argument. We'll talk with Andy

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Speaker 2: McCarthy in about what thirteen or fourteen minutes about some

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Speaker 2: of these details. That this is BS, and that anyone

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Speaker 2: who actually cares about the precedent of BS being established

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Speaker 2: as a law to go after political opponents should vote

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Speaker 2: not guilty as well. Mother's Day is going to be

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Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, his son is a catcher for

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Speaker 2: the University of Chicago. They are playing right now up

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Speaker 2: at the White Sox Field. That is pretty awesome. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure that was fun to watch as a dad. Congrats Andy,

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Speaker 2: Let's dive into this chaos. New York Times publishes an

806
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Speaker 2: editorial so if you've had time to see it, basically

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00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: saying the entire concept of this Trump trial is garbage.

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Speaker 2: Credit to the New York Times editorial page for publishing it.

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Speaker 2: It's a Boston University professor in the law school there

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Speaker 2: who wrote it. Has anything that you have seen in

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Speaker 2: the first two and a half days three days of

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Speaker 2: the trial changed your mind about the legitimacy of this case.

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: And if so, or is it even more convinced you

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Speaker 2: that it's garbage.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's more convinced me it's garbage play. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I think now that we're looking at it really closely.

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00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I hadn't looked at it closely by now,

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Speaker 5: but like the insidiousness of this was not as apparent

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Speaker 5: as it's become. To put it in a nutshell for people,

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00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 5: you're supposed to if you indict somebody, the charges have

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Speaker 5: to be in the indictment. That's a constitutional requirement of

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Speaker 5: the Fifth Amendment. What Bragg indicted Trump for was falsification

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00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 5: of business records with criminal intent. At the same time

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Speaker 5: he filed the indictment, he filed his own statement.

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Speaker 7: Of facts of what he purports to be facts.

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Speaker 5: Now, that in it of itself is peculiar, because usually

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Speaker 5: what prosecutors and grand juries do is in the indictment itself.

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Speaker 5: The grand jury alleges the narrative in which the various

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Speaker 5: criminal offenses are alleged to have taken place. That's not

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Speaker 5: what Bragg did here. He had the grand jury return

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Speaker 5: a bare bones indictment, essentially just stating the statutory offense

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Speaker 5: without any color or description. Then he files his own statement,

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Speaker 5: which is not the grand jury statement, in which he

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Speaker 5: says the crime is that Trump conspired Will actually uses

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Speaker 5: the word scheme schemed to steal the twenty sixteen election

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Speaker 5: by suppressing politically damaging information, which is not what the

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Speaker 5: grand jury says. Then they get to trial and the

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Speaker 5: anti gets up, so now they're not using the.

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Speaker 7: Word scheme, they're using the word conspiracy.

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Speaker 5: And the problem with this is, aside of the fact

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Speaker 5: that it's not in the indictment, there's no such crime

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00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 5: as conspiracy to steal an election or conspiracy to suppress

843
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 5: politically damaging information. A conspiracy is an agreement by two

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Speaker 5: or more people to commit a statutory crime like bank

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Speaker 5: robbery or murder or the like. There is no crime,

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Speaker 5: and Trump is in charge with it in the indictment.

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Speaker 7: So the whole thing is just ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: From Jump Street, Andy, who can in the system do

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Speaker 3: something about this? Like what are the ways in which

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Speaker 3: someone either on appeal or on some kind of an

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Speaker 3: emergency motion, like how can this crazy t be stopped?

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Speaker 5: The only thing I could think of buck would be

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Speaker 5: and I don't think this would work like an emergency

854
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 5: application to federal court saying that Trump's constitutional rights are

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Speaker 5: being violated. And I think what the federal court would

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Speaker 5: probably say is, We're not going to intervene at this point.

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Speaker 5: We'll wait to see what happens in the case, because

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Speaker 5: if he gets acquitted, there'll be no reason to do anything.

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Speaker 5: And if he gets convicted, he'll have his full array

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Speaker 5: of you a pellet rights plu. That court hasn't been

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Speaker 5: friendly to him anyhow, So I'm not sure they'd be

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Speaker 5: tripping over themselves to intervene here, but they really should

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Speaker 5: because what's happening here is pretty outrageous.

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 5: The other thing to note is that the way that

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Speaker 5: Bragg inflated this misdemeanor falsification of business records on which

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Speaker 5: the statue of the limitations would have run in twenty

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Speaker 5: nineteen because the crimes that the alleged crimes were in

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Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen. The way he does it is he

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Speaker 5: says that the falsification of records was done to conceal

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Speaker 5: or commit another crime, and it turns out the crime

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Speaker 5: which he apparently he hid this from the grand jury too.

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Speaker 5: The crime he's talking about is federal campaign finance violations.

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Speaker 5: And I think one of the things we haven't noticed

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Speaker 5: but we should start noticing, is that this is a

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Speaker 5: this is a clear episode.

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Speaker 7: Well it's not clear, but it's an.

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Speaker 5: Episode of collusion between the Biden administration, the Biden Justice Department,

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Speaker 5: and BRAG.

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Speaker 7: And the reason I say that.

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Speaker 5: Is, you know, it's easy enough when we're talking about

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Speaker 5: Jack Smith to see that there's a relationship between the

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Speaker 5: special counsel, the.

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Speaker 1: Biden Justice Department, and Biden.

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Speaker 5: You know, Jack Smith exercises Biden's executive power and he

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Speaker 5: answers to Merrick Garland, So that's easy enough to see.

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Speaker 5: But here it's a state prosecution, so it's not easy

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Speaker 5: to see. But the fact is, if you look at

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Speaker 5: the Justice Department guidelines and the Federal Election Commission guidelines,

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Speaker 5: what they say is that those two agencies are the

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Speaker 5: exclusive authorities in law for enforcing federal campaign finance law

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Speaker 5: in connections with elections for federal office. So if anyone

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Speaker 5: else other than Trump were the person in the trick

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Speaker 5: bag here, and a local prosecutors somewhere in the United

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Speaker 5: States tried to enforce federal campaign law, the Justice Department

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Speaker 5: and the SEC would ordinarily go crazy. They would not

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Speaker 5: tolerate it. They'd be in court trying to stop it.

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Speaker 5: They it just wouldn't happen. But here they haven't made

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Speaker 5: a peep. And the only reason that makes sense that

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Speaker 5: they haven't made a peep is that it's Trump.

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Speaker 2: I also think this ties in, and you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to explain this better than I could. We talked earlier

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Speaker 2: this week about the prosecutor who made the opening case,

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Speaker 2: Matthew Colangelo. He had risen to third overall in the

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice. I think we talked about this with

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Speaker 2: Cash Ptel Monday maybe or Tuesday on the show. You

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Speaker 2: were a prosecutor, have you ever seen somebody from this

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Speaker 2: high in the Department of Justice leave the Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice to prosecute a state crime? The analogy I made

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Speaker 2: you're at a ballpark up there in Chicago, would be, this

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Speaker 2: is a little bit like somebody who's in the major

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Speaker 2: leagues going back down to single A or double A ball.

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Speaker 2: If you have the political power that you would that

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Speaker 2: high up in the Department of Justice, overall federal charges

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Speaker 2: to go and then do a state prosecution. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of unheard of, right, which to me is evidence of

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Speaker 2: how enmeshed the Biden administration really is in this Salvin

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Speaker 2: brag case.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's highly unusual now, to be fair, a couple

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Speaker 5: of things. I don't know what Colangelo's status was there, Like,

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: If he thought that they had their eyes on moving

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Speaker 7: him out and moving somebody else in.

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Speaker 5: And sometimes when people have political ambitions rather than just

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Speaker 5: prosecutorial ambitions, a seemingly lateral move or even a move

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Speaker 5: down can be something that.

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Speaker 7: Helps your political career.

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Speaker 5: So, for example, Rudy Giuliani was the number three guy

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Speaker 5: in the Reagan Justice Department, but he asked instead to

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Speaker 5: become the US Attorney in the Southern District of New York.

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Speaker 5: And even though a lot of people in Washington may

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Speaker 5: have thought that was a crazy move for someone who

933
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Speaker 5: was politically ambitious and wanted to be mayor of New York,

934
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Speaker 5: it made perfect sense, and he became a much more

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Speaker 5: famous and effective figure as the US attorney in New

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Speaker 5: York than he would have been as the number three

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Speaker 5: guy in Reagan's Justice department.

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Speaker 7: So there's a lot that goes into it.

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Speaker 5: But to leave a position like that to try a

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Speaker 5: single case would be highly, highly unusual. Although you and

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Speaker 5: I both know that you know, whatever Democratic prosecutor nails Trump.

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Speaker 7: Is going to be, you know, he's going to be

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Speaker 7: an icon for these guys.

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Speaker 3: So Andy, this brings us back to uh where where

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Speaker 3: this is all heading it seems right now? And also

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Speaker 3: the the gag order. Can you can you tell us

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Speaker 3: about how how you're viewing that component of it, because

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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of back and forth between Trump

949
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Speaker 3: already and the judge and they're saying, oh, you know,

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Speaker 3: he's he's saying things about witnesses he's not allowed to say.

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Speaker 3: It just feels like, what what are the limits of

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Speaker 3: this gag order?

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Speaker 1: Can you can you just weigh in on that component?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I've I've had a big problem with the

955
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Speaker 5: gag orders from the beginning. Fuck not just this one,

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Speaker 5: but also the one Judge Chuck and issued in Washington.

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Speaker 5: And the reason is, I think these arrogant judges, and

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Speaker 5: these are the Democratic judges. I don't think Ayling Cannon

959
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Speaker 5: has done this then in Florida, but I think these

960
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Speaker 5: arrogant judges won't accept the fact that in this system,

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Speaker 5: every right and every duty has to coexist with other

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Speaker 5: rights and duties with which it's intentions. And sometimes, even

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Speaker 5: though the administration of justice in a case is a

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Speaker 5: very important public interest, there are higher public interests than that.

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Speaker 5: So robust political debate in connection with an election for

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Speaker 5: the highest office in the country is a high constitutional interest.

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Speaker 5: Trump has a constitutional right to run for the presidency.

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Speaker 5: So even if in a normal case you would crack

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Speaker 5: down on what parties could say for fear of influencing

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Speaker 5: the jury pool or intimidating witnesses or what have you, here,

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Speaker 5: the interest in the administration justice has to yield to

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Speaker 5: some extent to these other more important interests. And these

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Speaker 5: judges won't do it. And the fact that they keep

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Speaker 5: saying the administration of justice has to be exalted overall

975
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Speaker 5: otherwise Trump is, you know, somehow above the law is ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: If they were that interested in the administration of justice,

977
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Speaker 5: they could put the trials off until after the campaign

978
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Speaker 5: is over, and then nobody could argue that the administration

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Speaker 5: of justice was the higher interest at that point.

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Speaker 7: But they won't do that, of course.

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Speaker 5: Because the prosecutors who they're working in cahoots with it

982
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Speaker 5: seems want these trials to take place prior to the election.

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Speaker 5: So it's like they create the crisis that puts the

984
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Speaker 5: Administration of Justice intention with these other more important constitutional issues,

985
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Speaker 5: and then they say, you know, Trump is the one

986
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Speaker 5: who has to yield as if like the a Court

987
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Speaker 5: doesn't have to ever bend to some more important interests.

988
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 5: So that's what's happening here. And I actually think given

989
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 5: that Trump is the running for president, which he's entitled

990
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Speaker 5: to do and giving the public, the public interest in

991
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: robust debate in a presidential campaign, Trump should not be

992
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Speaker 5: gagged except to the extent that the law already essentially

993
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Speaker 5: limits what people can say. So, for example, if Trump

994
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Speaker 5: makes a comment that amounts to incitement or obstruction of justice,

995
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 5: he can be prosecuted to that. If he says something

996
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 5: that to sames someone, he can be sued for that.

997
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 7: If he says something that helps the.

998
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 5: Prosecutor's case, they can use it against him in the trial.

999
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 7: So he's got a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of incentives not to say stupid things, and there's a

1001
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Speaker 5: lot of downside for him in saying stupid things. But

1002
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 5: he shouldn't be gagged ahead of time. And told what

1003
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Speaker 5: he can say and what he can say under circumstances

1004
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: where every witness is allowed to talk about him, and

1005
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Speaker 5: every political candidate, including Biden, can say whatever they want

1006
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 5: about a law fair against Trump and he's not allowed

1007
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 5: to respond. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you here, Andy, You've picked a lot

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Speaker 2: of juries over your life and been involved in jury selection.

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Speaker 2: I know you haven't set for jury selection, but based

1011
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: on what you have seen Buckett I both say there's

1012
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: a zero percent chance of a not guilty verdict.

1013
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: I bet you would likely say that as well.

1014
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: Do you feel like Trump has any reason for optimism

1015
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Speaker 2: based on the jury was selected, that there might be

1016
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Speaker 2: someone or maybe more than one person who are willing

1017
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Speaker 2: to consider a not guilty verdict.

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Speaker 1: Any read from you on this jury?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say two things about that, Clay. One is,

1020
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Speaker 5: some of that gets even dad. I agree that Manhattan.

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Speaker 7: Is not great for Trump, to say the least.

1022
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Speaker 5: On the other hand, you know, I wouldn't read too

1023
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Speaker 5: much into Manhattan by the fact.

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Speaker 7: That they elect Alvin Bragg as their DA.

1025
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Speaker 5: Those the people who vote in those elections are you know,

1026
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Speaker 5: it's tiny compared to what the jury pool is. And

1027
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Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of people in the jury

1028
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 5: pool who would be sympathetic to Trump. And statistically, what

1029
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 5: the advantage Trump gets, aside from not having to approved anything,

1030
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Speaker 5: is that he only needs one juror to get a mistrial,

1031
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Speaker 5: whereas brag needs all twelves to convict. And the one

1032
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Speaker 5: other thing I would say about it is I think

1033
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Speaker 5: under New York law, Trump is entitled to a lesser

1034
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Speaker 5: included offense instruction, which means he should be able to

1035
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Speaker 5: get the court to instruct the jury that they could

1036
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Speaker 5: find him guilty of the misdemeanor business record.

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Speaker 2: Sort of a compromise. Verdict is an option. In other words,

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Speaker 2: it's not either a yes but here.

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Speaker 5: If they were to convict him of that, the Statute

1040
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Speaker 5: of Limitations ran on that in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 7: So the case would have to get thrown. Now.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's a great point. Very interesting. Andy.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna need you to stick around. I know you

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Speaker 3: got baseball with the sun and fun things to do

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Speaker 3: in life. Life, but you know it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a long What have we got six seven months here?

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Speaker 3: So thank you for being with us, Andy McCarthy, and

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Speaker 3: go check out his latest at National Review.

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