Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
Speaker 1: build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2: Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser.
Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer.
Speaker 1: Joining me is a man who has quite a busy
Speaker 1: week I had him here, but also one of my
Speaker 1: first friends in this league who really made a difference
Speaker 1: when it comes to mental health. He is my battle buddy. Hell,
Speaker 1: he lived with me for about five months with my
Speaker 1: son and I. He was one of the first guys
Speaker 1: who really took on our mich Marslat's training program to heart.
Speaker 2: I'd have to change his life and he's changed mine
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: The all world right tackle for the Philadelphi Eagles, Lane Johnson.
Speaker 2: How are we doing, big boy?
Speaker 3: Man? Doing good?
Speaker 4: Uh? Yes, quite a busy week in a busy one
Speaker 4: coming up, but yeah man, thankful, time's going fast and
Speaker 4: uh yes it's spending five ride.
Speaker 3: So third one crazy?
Speaker 2: How this one different from the other two? Like now
Speaker 2: that you what you know?
Speaker 3: Well, every team's different. I just feel like, uh, not the.
Speaker 1: Team, just the experience, Like how are you able to
Speaker 1: better prepare because you've we advented twice?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I just trade as another game. I don't
Speaker 4: make it more than what it is. And so yeah, really,
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean a lot of it comes down
Speaker 4: to a lot of factors, Like staying healthy is one
Speaker 4: of them. And but I just feel like we're close
Speaker 4: on and off the field, and all that stuff translates to, uh,
Speaker 4: you know what's happening on the field?
Speaker 2: Is there stuff though that you learned?
Speaker 1: But obviously you know, finding for the new guys, like
Speaker 1: what advice do you give them about Hey, when this
Speaker 1: comes up?
Speaker 2: How do you make it just another game?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just got to stay in the moment.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of what athletes do is overthink
Speaker 4: and over analyze, and so when you do that, you
Speaker 4: don't play as fast. You're not reacting as fast. So
Speaker 4: you know, that's really one of them. And you know
Speaker 4: a lot of it's staying focused and you got to
Speaker 4: practice stay in the moment and stay in the present
Speaker 4: because you know, a lot of what we do is
Speaker 4: you know, dealing with distraction. So that's the biggest thing
Speaker 4: that don't make the situation bigger than what it is
Speaker 4: a lot of distractions.
Speaker 1: Down there, right, there's a lot of you let it
Speaker 1: become a distraction.
Speaker 2: It's easy for it to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easy to attackle and you don't have to
Speaker 4: play quarterbacks or roundabout.
Speaker 3: It's pretty easy.
Speaker 1: What so again, you know I've said a couple of things. One,
Speaker 1: you're my battle buddy, the mm A. It's funny because
Speaker 1: the unbreakable mindset for us used to be, right, Lene,
Speaker 1: I used to tell you and all, I got a rule, right,
Speaker 1: no putting your hands on your hips, neutral face, neutral face,
Speaker 1: don't show that we're hurt. Don't show that we're hurt,
Speaker 1: and we need that in football and fighting. Now we
Speaker 1: have a different unbreakable mindset right outside those white lines
Speaker 1: are outside that cage. We got to open up. We
Speaker 1: got to show that we're hurt, and we got to
Speaker 1: show that we're well, that the things are bothering us.
Speaker 1: You know, let's dive into that a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's really going for being a robot slash
Speaker 4: animal to a human.
Speaker 3: The human again, So that's surely what it is.
Speaker 4: And it's hard to turn that on and off when
Speaker 4: a lot of your friends or whoever you hang out with,
Speaker 4: or alpha males and a deer there in a different
Speaker 4: line of work.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's just diver from that aspect, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting though, because like the I'll never
Speaker 1: forget what we go back to our first workout, you
Speaker 1: threw up play eight times just to hip them up right,
Speaker 1: and I thought that's just because being randy coatur are
Speaker 1: wearing you out. And then it comes to find out
Speaker 1: it's not really that's your anxiety which gets.
Speaker 2: Not to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of both. Yeah, so we'll.
Speaker 2: Take credit for the first part of it, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, just what I was saying is a lot
Speaker 4: of it's goes down over thinking things and making stuff
Speaker 4: worse than what it actually is. So, you know, I
Speaker 4: think a big quote is people suffer more and is
Speaker 4: in their heads and what they do in reality.
Speaker 1: You know, So how much your life changed since we've
Speaker 1: started coming out and talking about this, just as.
Speaker 4: Far as what's yet, I think it you know, allowed
Speaker 4: me to help a lot of other people as well
Speaker 4: as help myself. But you know, with anything, I just
Speaker 4: think it's made the conversation a lot easier and people
Speaker 4: being vulnerable on themselves and so, you know, I think
Speaker 4: that's the most important thing is that it doesn't feel
Speaker 4: forced and it's not fake. And yeah, I mean definitely
Speaker 4: wouldn't like that. Ten years ago when I first got
Speaker 4: in the league, you know, it was you know, a
Speaker 4: lot different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just the I mean, hell, I came
Speaker 1: into a future last week with playing and he and
Speaker 1: I got together a little work out, a little so on,
Speaker 1: and I told him and to talk like, dam man,
Speaker 1: I'm struggling because I'm.
Speaker 2: Just I'm worn down and tired.
Speaker 1: And you know, we were trading partners, but we didn't
Speaker 1: know we had that until now, and it's just that
Speaker 1: helped me so much. And that's what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: these things were able to lift each other up now
Speaker 1: that we just didn't know we had five years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really Uh, I don't know, you left
Speaker 4: fear and those emotions that you feel really consume you
Speaker 4: and dominate your lifestyle or your life. And it's like
Speaker 4: and those come up in any time, and so you
Speaker 4: feel like you're you don't have any control of anything,
Speaker 4: and so I want you to flip that around, you know,
Speaker 4: then then you control everything.
Speaker 1: Tell people heard how much you still go through it,
Speaker 1: because I want people to understand there's something we work on,
Speaker 1: but it's not like we don't know what, but just
Speaker 1: how we head.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just game game days are rough on me.
Speaker 4: Every every everything else is usually pretty good.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Game days are just mornings nausea. Just uh, confidence is low,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I just feel like it's not luck.
Speaker 4: There's not a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The first stats for us are usually negative like pressures, hurries, sacks.
Speaker 3: So uh, but like.
Speaker 4: I said once, I once, I have to deal with
Speaker 4: emotions and over overcome that.
Speaker 3: I just really get out there and try not to think.
Speaker 4: I really try to rely on my training and like
Speaker 4: my habits, and so whenever pressure is applied, all that
Speaker 4: stuff comes out and it's nothing, you know, nothing that
Speaker 4: I have to think about. And after all these years,
Speaker 4: it's really you know nothing thinking about a whole lot.
Speaker 2: If you're okay, if I could tell the world that,
Speaker 2: like look what I tell you on game deck, Yeah okay.
Speaker 1: So Lane calls me when he's going through it, which
Speaker 1: is again this is like that's your honor, that's your battle, buddy, right,
Speaker 1: there's no no one's questioning our manhoods and we're going
Speaker 1: through we call each other and he'll call me on
Speaker 1: game damn when it's going rough, and this year, I'm like, here, bro,
Speaker 1: that just means you get to put your armor on.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That means if you're starting to feel that anxiety, you're
Speaker 1: starting to throw up, you getting that nose here, Fuck,
Speaker 1: it's motherfucker. You get to go fight and you put
Speaker 1: that armor on. It's you gotta use it. You got
Speaker 1: to weaponize. You gotta kind of make it your superpower.
Speaker 1: And these are conversations that are man, there's way more
Speaker 1: powerful than anything we.
Speaker 2: Ever could have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think a lot of it is too,
Speaker 4: Like once you played a certain standard, you feel like
Speaker 4: personally and professionally you have to meet that standard every
Speaker 4: year and anything that may be short of that is
Speaker 4: considered a failure. So you know, I think for you know,
Speaker 4: athletes that have that mindset, they can be hard on
Speaker 4: themselves some buns. But like I said, I think it's
Speaker 4: also what makes an individual different than than the rest.
Speaker 4: So once you learn to control it and use it,
Speaker 4: you know to your advantage.
Speaker 3: You know, it goes completely the other way.
Speaker 1: We also told you too, like look, you've trained with
Speaker 1: Randy Gator and Chuckle Deeligether and these guys knock each
Speaker 1: other out I'm like, no one looks at them and
Speaker 1: judges their career by one knockout and one law.
Speaker 2: Same for you.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey man, your body you work is Your
Speaker 1: body work is not whether you have a good game
Speaker 1: or not. It's not whether you have a good series
Speaker 1: or not, not whether you have a good play. It's
Speaker 1: your body work. And that's I think one of the
Speaker 1: biggest challenges we have. It's to convince you and other
Speaker 1: guys have it's your body of work. It doesn't come
Speaker 1: down on one player that game.
Speaker 4: Yes, that and just you know, letting others define you
Speaker 4: in general, I think is a big problem. A lot
Speaker 4: of people use external resources for you know, internal gratification
Speaker 4: and I already good quote other days for as Selvish
Speaker 4: as we are, and as much as we care about ourselves,
Speaker 4: we care about what others think a lot more, which
Speaker 4: is insane.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just think a lot of people are older, they'll
Speaker 4: realize how much time they wasted morey in wasting time, I.
Speaker 1: Would just put a couple of Fight teammates two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: Mark Kerr Couture, Alec Carroll Lexis, who was on the
Speaker 1: first Fighter of the Ultimate first, he's the ultimate fighter.
Speaker 1: And Alex said, hey, man, the whole stix and stones thing,
Speaker 1: they get it backwards like sticks and stones won't break
Speaker 1: behind the bones.
Speaker 2: But words fucking hurt us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking fantastic, it does. That's how we are.
Speaker 1: Like shit, physical paid is nothing to us, but somebody
Speaker 1: says about its man, we're sensitive or we see on Twitter, Instagram.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, emotionally and yeah, I guess when everything's
Speaker 4: like in the public eye too, and that can also
Speaker 4: amplified things too. I don't know, it can be a
Speaker 4: frustrating process, but I've learned with I guess with age
Speaker 4: to handle it more with grace and talk and communicate
Speaker 4: it instead of, you know, letting it turn into something.
Speaker 2: What are some of the things you do to coop now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot for me is uh, you know,
Speaker 4: we train concentration grands to do that a lot.
Speaker 3: On game day.
Speaker 4: I do a lot of Sudoku on game day. Don't
Speaker 4: really listen to music anymore. I mean, we have it
Speaker 4: in the locker room, but I just try to save
Speaker 4: my mind, you know, pretty pretty relaxed, focused, but relaxed.
Speaker 4: And then when I get to the game. I I
Speaker 4: trying to thank too much, you know, I know what
Speaker 4: to do. We I mean, all we do is do
Speaker 4: walk throughs and and then go play, you know, game
Speaker 4: after game, season after season.
Speaker 3: So with all the experience, you know, but it goes
Speaker 3: down to communication.
Speaker 4: Uh, and every game is different, but a big part
Speaker 4: of its communication and being able to adapt because sometimes
Speaker 4: your game plan didn't match you know, what they have
Speaker 4: on the field, and you have to adjust.
Speaker 1: So beside from football, what do you do to cook?
Speaker 1: So I learned the journal from you. You're the one
Speaker 1: who told me. Yeah, because again we start talking about
Speaker 1: this five years ago whatever, I was still learning shit.
Speaker 1: Also now I know how to do breath with working
Speaker 1: meditation and a gratitude list, and you know, I'll do
Speaker 1: a cold plunge and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I'll work out. I do all this stuff before I
Speaker 2: look at my phone. What are some of.
Speaker 1: Your rituals to get you to get to get the
Speaker 1: roommates in your head to talk nice to each other
Speaker 1: each day?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I think is getting away from the phones.
Speaker 4: Anything to do with me outside or in nature, usually
Speaker 4: by a body of water usually or somewhere where I
Speaker 4: like to go. But yeah, for me is really getting
Speaker 4: off the phone and just just being content, you know,
Speaker 4: really and not having to feel like I have to
Speaker 4: be somewhere, you know, or have to be doing something.
Speaker 1: Is your anxiety caused more by a fear of what's
Speaker 1: about to happen or stuff that happened in the best.
Speaker 4: No, My my fear is that I have to be
Speaker 4: perfect against somebody that has to rush forty times against me,
Speaker 4: and I have to ever lose, and I'm on the
Speaker 4: island the most. They don't help me at all with
Speaker 4: guards or any tight ends or running backs jobs retally
Speaker 4: the hardest in the league.
Speaker 2: Because you're that good. Yes, so it's kind of a
Speaker 2: double edged sword.
Speaker 4: Yeah well yeah, well, like I said, that did help
Speaker 4: you off, they're helping you. Yeah, well, like I said that,
Speaker 4: the upside is the money outside is is Bisically, Hey,
Speaker 4: you have to go against another team's alpha male and
Speaker 4: uh they're trying to run over you or through you,
Speaker 4: around you whatever they got to do. So but you know,
Speaker 4: it's a battle. It is what it is, and it's
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I mean I love it.
Speaker 2: What's the funnest part about Super Bowl Week?
Speaker 4: Uh, just enjoying it with the teammates, everybody else has
Speaker 4: different reactions and emotions. But uh, you know, knowing that
Speaker 4: the season is is finally uh here to this last
Speaker 4: week is you know, something to celebrate in itself before
Speaker 4: it kicks off?
Speaker 1: Is the game is amp you up or like a
Speaker 1: letdown of like because there's so much other stuff.
Speaker 4: I know, it's uh, I think it's a great wig.
Speaker 4: I think it's a great you know experience for the
Speaker 4: fans and families. And yeah, by game time it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're ready to play. It's you know, we've we've done
Speaker 4: their duties. Let's get down the business.
Speaker 1: You have a funny Super Bowl moment where you're standing
Speaker 1: there one of the other games and you saw someone
Speaker 1: famous for somebody in the crowd.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh.
Speaker 3: Shit, trying to think super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw Kevin Hart running through the crowd, and
Speaker 4: I think you want to go stats the super Bowl trophy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty wild man.
Speaker 1: And this is is this our second or is our
Speaker 1: second two Bowl we've done together?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, same team last time.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I want to get kind of just on this thing
Speaker 2: again about our mental health.
Speaker 1: It's not just depressing anxiety, right, mental health that six
Speaker 1: inches in between years also leads to greatness.
Speaker 2: So you know, I changed this for Mental Wealth podcast.
Speaker 1: And one of the things about being great is find
Speaker 1: out who the best is and do more than them
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over. That's one of
Speaker 1: the things when I first met you, You're like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm I could do something different. But every year I
Speaker 1: want you to explain to people. You don't just sit
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, this works for me last year. You
Speaker 1: always build. You always keep adding stuff each year. Who
Speaker 1: taught that to you? And explain a little bit about
Speaker 1: that people, because that's really the that's how you become
Speaker 1: great by always trying to get better every year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really like an internal scouting. I mean you
Speaker 4: kind of find you know, everybody, every player has their
Speaker 4: things that they're great at, and they have some things
Speaker 4: that they may be the fishing or not as good at.
Speaker 3: So everybody has things to attack.
Speaker 4: And so as you get older, people get more stiff,
Speaker 4: the mobility decreases.
Speaker 3: So work a lot on mad and then work a
Speaker 3: lot in.
Speaker 4: You know, some moving, some waiting, some you know, two
Speaker 4: or three lifts that I think are functional for football,
Speaker 4: and then yeah, I mean I do that usually five
Speaker 4: days a week. During the off season throughout the year,
Speaker 4: I do all day cass, but I make sure that
Speaker 4: the gym is there and that you know I'm doing
Speaker 4: what I'm so sweet doing. But I think you know,
Speaker 4: listen to your body is one thing, and then you know,
Speaker 4: as you get older and and just yeah, I think
Speaker 4: it's worked well. But what the first thing to do
Speaker 4: is you know, trying to tack your weaknesses and you know,
Speaker 4: stay consistent with that.
Speaker 2: But it's not just you know, getting stronger till so
Speaker 2: how you rehab better, how you sleep better, how you
Speaker 2: eat better. Every year you come up with something else,
Speaker 2: every every else is No, it's not just about you
Speaker 2: lift and you've figured it out too. There's more recovery.
Speaker 1: Something else I could do for recovery, breathing, breath work, sleeping, eating, everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot of like just stress control,
Speaker 4: the breath works, some of the best love the sauna,
Speaker 4: love the cold punge, and that's kind of part of
Speaker 4: you know, the routine now. But yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 4: think the thing is it's not it's not sexy, it's
Speaker 4: not cool, but it's being consistent with it. And that's
Speaker 4: what you find, you know, as as the time goes on.
Speaker 4: Some people stay on the trained with it, or some
Speaker 4: people hop off.
Speaker 2: So tell everybody what you learned from me and doing
Speaker 2: the MMA stuff being ran in Chuck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you just gotta it's all about learning
Speaker 4: new techniques and they're there to help you, but really
Speaker 4: about you know, fighting, and you know stuff's just gonna
Speaker 4: go bad, and you know you may throw up a
Speaker 4: few times and not feel very good about yourself. But
Speaker 4: as the days go on, you start getting better and
Speaker 4: you improve, and you know you're not the same person
Speaker 4: you were. You know, a few weeks from when you started,
Speaker 4: you start changing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we told you when you come in then
Speaker 1: we're gonna change. Tell you, man, you follow us, we'll
Speaker 1: change your grandkids' lives.
Speaker 2: Be the hardest.
Speaker 1: We'll make football easy, but you make it a fight, right,
Speaker 1: you don't see that you're hurt as we start wearing
Speaker 1: them now. But we work on your hands, we'll work
Speaker 1: on your hips more than make you violent when we
Speaker 1: make it a fight every fucking play. And that's what
Speaker 1: you gotta do football, We're gonna do fighting. That's what
Speaker 1: you gotta do in life. But most people just they're
Speaker 1: gonna want to type out most people don't sign up
Speaker 1: for a fight.
Speaker 2: They sign up for a business or a sport or
Speaker 2: a game, not a fight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people need to talk to themselves more than they
Speaker 4: listen to themselves, So try that a little bit, sir,
Speaker 4: explain that, Uh, talk to yourself is come on, you
Speaker 4: can do this instead of listening to your h the
Speaker 4: good Wolf, Bad Wolf.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot. Give me the again.
Speaker 1: Since you've come out and talked about method, they got
Speaker 1: one or two questions left for you. How many players
Speaker 1: come up to like does it happened often? So guys
Speaker 1: come up to during the game, before games, just like
Speaker 1: thanking you for making okay for.
Speaker 2: Us to talk about this.
Speaker 3: Yes, usually uh like after games. Uh, usually when we
Speaker 3: have time to talk, which is probably the coolest thing.
Speaker 4: So you know it's happened numerous times, and you know
Speaker 4: we exchange numbers or you know, uh talk a lot
Speaker 4: act of the game, but really kind of build a
Speaker 4: connection from the game after that, so.
Speaker 3: Which is really cool.
Speaker 2: You pride yourself for this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's helped me, and
Speaker 4: it's it's helped others, and I think it's you That's
Speaker 4: ultimately what it's about.
Speaker 3: And I think it's authentic. So which is you know
Speaker 3: all I care about.
Speaker 1: People always say to me, yeah, you're so courageous by
Speaker 1: opening up, and I don't view it that way.
Speaker 2: I just I know how you do. Like I never
Speaker 2: saw it courageous.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, man, if I could be a
Speaker 1: service someone, Ye, I'm fucked up and I'm learning to
Speaker 1: be good my fucked up and that's if you canna
Speaker 1: help you, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Do you feel what's what's your thought? How does it
Speaker 2: make you feel when someone says it to you?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all talk abub well better able to communicate
Speaker 4: myself and uh you know it slopped me to change
Speaker 4: and to you know, grow to the person I want
Speaker 4: to become and not let any setbacks or any fear
Speaker 4: or anything that I have.
Speaker 3: In front of me set me back. So that's really
Speaker 3: what it's what it's about.
Speaker 2: All right, brother.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining us, man. I know we're a
Speaker 1: little brevia here super Bowl week. Love you, dude, love
Speaker 1: everything that. Appreciate you leaning into me on those those
Speaker 1: hard days, on Sundays and every day. Because when you
Speaker 1: lean into me, dude, even though you're trying to get
Speaker 1: help for you.
Speaker 2: It lifts me up to me to be your brother,
Speaker 2: so I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Tides raised, raised all the boats. That's how we go on.
Speaker 4: I love you too, Love.
Speaker 2: You brother, good luck this week. I'll see you down there.