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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out.

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Speaker 2: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Laser.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 1: Joining me is a man who has quite a busy

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Speaker 1: week I had him here, but also one of my

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Speaker 1: first friends in this league who really made a difference

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Speaker 1: when it comes to mental health. He is my battle buddy. Hell,

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Speaker 1: he lived with me for about five months with my

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Speaker 1: son and I. He was one of the first guys

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Speaker 1: who really took on our mich Marslat's training program to heart.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to change his life and he's changed mine

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: The all world right tackle for the Philadelphi Eagles, Lane Johnson.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing, big boy?

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Speaker 3: Man? Doing good?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yes, quite a busy week in a busy one

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Speaker 4: coming up, but yeah man, thankful, time's going fast and

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Speaker 4: uh yes it's spending five ride.

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Speaker 3: So third one crazy?

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Speaker 2: How this one different from the other two? Like now

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Speaker 2: that you what you know?

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Speaker 3: Well, every team's different. I just feel like, uh, not the.

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Speaker 1: Team, just the experience, Like how are you able to

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Speaker 1: better prepare because you've we advented twice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I just trade as another game. I don't

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Speaker 4: make it more than what it is. And so yeah, really,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean a lot of it comes down

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Speaker 4: to a lot of factors, Like staying healthy is one

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Speaker 4: of them. And but I just feel like we're close

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Speaker 4: on and off the field, and all that stuff translates to, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know what's happening on the field?

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Speaker 2: Is there stuff though that you learned?

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Speaker 1: But obviously you know, finding for the new guys, like

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Speaker 1: what advice do you give them about Hey, when this

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Speaker 1: comes up?

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Speaker 2: How do you make it just another game?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just got to stay in the moment.

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of what athletes do is overthink

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Speaker 4: and over analyze, and so when you do that, you

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Speaker 4: don't play as fast. You're not reacting as fast. So

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Speaker 4: you know, that's really one of them. And you know

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Speaker 4: a lot of it's staying focused and you got to

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Speaker 4: practice stay in the moment and stay in the present

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Speaker 4: because you know, a lot of what we do is

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Speaker 4: you know, dealing with distraction. So that's the biggest thing

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Speaker 4: that don't make the situation bigger than what it is

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Speaker 4: a lot of distractions.

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Speaker 1: Down there, right, there's a lot of you let it

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Speaker 1: become a distraction.

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Speaker 2: It's easy for it to happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easy to attackle and you don't have to

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Speaker 4: play quarterbacks or roundabout.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: What so again, you know I've said a couple of things. One,

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Speaker 1: you're my battle buddy, the mm A. It's funny because

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Speaker 1: the unbreakable mindset for us used to be, right, Lene,

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Speaker 1: I used to tell you and all, I got a rule, right,

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Speaker 1: no putting your hands on your hips, neutral face, neutral face,

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Speaker 1: don't show that we're hurt. Don't show that we're hurt,

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Speaker 1: and we need that in football and fighting. Now we

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Speaker 1: have a different unbreakable mindset right outside those white lines

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Speaker 1: are outside that cage. We got to open up. We

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Speaker 1: got to show that we're hurt, and we got to

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Speaker 1: show that we're well, that the things are bothering us.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's dive into that a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's really going for being a robot slash

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Speaker 4: animal to a human.

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Speaker 3: The human again, So that's surely what it is.

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Speaker 4: And it's hard to turn that on and off when

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Speaker 4: a lot of your friends or whoever you hang out with,

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Speaker 4: or alpha males and a deer there in a different

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's just diver from that aspect, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting though, because like the I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget what we go back to our first workout, you

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Speaker 1: threw up play eight times just to hip them up right,

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Speaker 1: and I thought that's just because being randy coatur are

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Speaker 1: wearing you out. And then it comes to find out

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Speaker 1: it's not really that's your anxiety which gets.

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Speaker 2: Not to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of both. Yeah, so we'll.

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Speaker 2: Take credit for the first part of it, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, just what I was saying is a lot

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Speaker 4: of it's goes down over thinking things and making stuff

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Speaker 1: You know, So how much your life changed since we've

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Speaker 4: Far as what's yet, I think it you know, allowed

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Speaker 4: wouldn't like that. Ten years ago when I first got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just the I mean, hell, I came

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Speaker 1: I got together a little work out, a little so on,

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling because I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just I'm worn down and tired.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we were trading partners, but we didn't

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Speaker 1: know we had that until now, and it's just that

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Speaker 1: helped me so much. And that's what I'm saying, like

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Speaker 1: that we just didn't know we had five years ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really Uh, I don't know, you left

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Speaker 4: fear and those emotions that you feel really consume you

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Speaker 4: feel like you're you don't have any control of anything,

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Speaker 4: and so I want you to flip that around, you know,

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Speaker 4: then then you control everything.

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Speaker 1: Tell people heard how much you still go through it,

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Speaker 1: because I want people to understand there's something we work on,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just game game days are rough on me.

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Speaker 4: Every every everything else is usually pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Game days are just mornings nausea. Just uh, confidence is low,

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Speaker 4: There's not a lot to look forward to.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The first stats for us are usually negative like pressures, hurries, sacks.

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Speaker 3: I just really get out there and try not to think.

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Speaker 4: I really try to rely on my training and like

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Speaker 2: If you're okay, if I could tell the world that,

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Speaker 1: So Lane calls me when he's going through it, which

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Speaker 1: is again this is like that's your honor, that's your battle, buddy, right,

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Speaker 1: there's no no one's questioning our manhoods and we're going

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Speaker 1: game damn when it's going rough, and this year, I'm like, here, bro,

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Speaker 1: that just means you get to put your armor on.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That means if you're starting to feel that anxiety, you're

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Speaker 1: And these are conversations that are man, there's way more

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Speaker 4: Like once you played a certain standard, you feel like

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Speaker 4: So once you learn to control it and use it,

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Speaker 3: You know, it goes completely the other way.

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Speaker 1: We also told you too, like look, you've trained with

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Speaker 2: Same for you.

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Speaker 1: It's like, hey man, your body you work is Your

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Speaker 4: Yes, that and just you know, letting others define you

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Speaker 4: and I already good quote other days for as Selvish

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Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just think a lot of people are older, they'll

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Speaker 4: realize how much time they wasted morey in wasting time, I.

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Speaker 1: Would just put a couple of Fight teammates two weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: And Alex said, hey, man, the whole stix and stones thing,

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Speaker 1: they get it backwards like sticks and stones won't break

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Speaker 2: But words fucking hurt us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking fantastic, it does. That's how we are.

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Speaker 1: Like shit, physical paid is nothing to us, but somebody

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Speaker 1: says about its man, we're sensitive or we see on Twitter, Instagram.

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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, emotionally and yeah, I guess when everything's

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Speaker 4: like in the public eye too, and that can also

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Speaker 4: frustrating process, but I've learned with I guess with age

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Speaker 4: to handle it more with grace and talk and communicate

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Speaker 4: it instead of, you know, letting it turn into something.

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things you do to coop now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot for me is uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: we train concentration grands to do that a lot.

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Speaker 3: On game day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we told you when you come in then

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Speaker 2: Be the hardest.

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Speaker 1: We'll make football easy, but you make it a fight, right,

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Speaker 4: So you know it's happened numerous times, and you know

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Speaker 2: All right, brother.

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Speaker 2: It lifts me up to me to be your brother,

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Speaker 4: Tides raised, raised all the boats. That's how we go on.

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