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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, it's Stole Stein.

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Speaker 2: This episode is going to be a little bit different

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Speaker 3: Who's got that kind of time when you're already busy

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Speaker 3: has got in that youble job harditories single story. Just

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Speaker 3: listen to smart people speak, conversation, film with information. It's

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Speaker 2: Every episode I hear that theme song mocking me, telling

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Speaker 2: me I'm not a real journalist. So I was shamed

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Speaker 2: into spending the last six months reporting out my own

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Speaker 2: story of the week, which just ran as the cover

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Speaker 2: of the Financial Times weekend magazine. It's about this woman

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Speaker 2: named Simone Gold, who sacrificed a pretty sweet job as

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Speaker 2: a doctor during the pandemic because she was convinced the

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Speaker 2: hydroxy chloro queen would.

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Speaker 1: Save us all.

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Speaker 2: I was going to interview myself for this episode, but

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Speaker 2: I'm way too lazy to both parts of his interview,

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Speaker 2: so I asked our producer Nishavenka to interview me. I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure they said yes in order to take out

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Speaker 2: a lot of long simmering resentment towards me.

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Speaker 1: God help me.

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Speaker 4: Joel Stein, Hello, you wrote Mega Maga meltdown for the

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Speaker 4: Financial Times and it's the story of the week. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I had no choice. I'm contractually obligated to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: Who is Simone Gold?

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Speaker 2: Simone Gold is a doctor from Long Island and she

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Speaker 2: graduated high school early and then she signed up for

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Speaker 2: this program that allows you get your undergrad and your

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Speaker 2: medical degree in seven years. She became a doctor at

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Speaker 2: her luck. The show Dukie Hauser came out while she

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Speaker 4: And so she graduates and then she decides to do

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Speaker 4: something else entirely, which is go to law school. What

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Speaker 2: She was not social at all, so she was not

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Speaker 4: At all except this one guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was trying to tell me what her social

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Speaker 4: Okay, if someone asked me out on a date to

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Speaker 2: Look, Stanford's a huge campus. Palo Alto is super expensive.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm with Simone. That's the first strike. Casey Cooper

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Speaker 2: So she went back to practicing medicine. Wow, and she

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Speaker 2: particularly focused on emergency room medicine, which I didn't realize

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Speaker 4: So she takes this highly paid er job and then

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Speaker 2: She's stoked, she'd told me. I think that's the word

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Speaker 4: It sounds like being in the army, like your purpose

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, very much so.

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Speaker 2: And then when COVID hit, she was prescribing, like many

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Speaker 4: Right, But COVID is also the kind of thing that

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Speaker 1: But it's not because of Tiger King, and.

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Speaker 2: That's what was going on with hydroxychloro queen and the

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Speaker 2: idea of prescribing it massively to people.

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Speaker 4: And so she's spending a lot of time with her

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Speaker 2: It's very upsetting as a doctor if you're doing something

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Speaker 2: She gets really pissed. So she organizes a bunch of

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Speaker 2: doctors who feel the same way, and they write an

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Speaker 1: About this and let doctors prescribe it.

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Speaker 2: She organizes a smaller group of doctors who feel even

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Speaker 4: And in this group of doctors is a pediatrician, an ophthalmologist,

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Speaker 4: America's Frontline Doctors, right.

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Speaker 2: This is America's frontline doctors. They go on the steps

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Speaker 2: Why because Trump Trump is taking hydroxy chloro queen prophylactically,

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Speaker 4: That's crazy. So what is this period like for her personally?

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Speaker 2: there's a whole world that's taken her in, but not

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Speaker 4: But then, you know, the conservative movement kind of like

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Speaker 1: Oh right, right, she's got a new family.

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Speaker 4: So she gets fired from being an er doctor, and

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Speaker 4: what happens to her like nonprofit with the four doctors

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Speaker 2: So she forms a five oh one c three nonprofit

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Speaker 4: Who's donating to her nonprofit?

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Speaker 2: Though most people are giving like twenty nine dollars. I

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Speaker 4: Why are people resonating with this so strongly?

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Speaker 2: People are pissed if you remember about lockdown. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, why she's so convincing to so many people? Like,

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Speaker 4: what is it about Simone that's galvanizing this whole movement.

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Speaker 2: One interesting thing with a lot of the people that

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Speaker 2: She uses it to file a lot of lawsuits against

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Speaker 2: I mean it is America's frontline doctors. She gets a

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Speaker 4: Wow. So eventually she ends up at this conservative conference

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Speaker 4: she meets someone named Joey Gilbert. Now, who is Joey Gilbert?

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Speaker 2: handle your diuis Oh my god. So Joey Gilbert got

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Speaker 4: Wait, how did he join this movement?

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Speaker 2: His father called him one day, who also lives in Reno,

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Speaker 2: It turns out he got COVID really early, and Joey

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they kissed it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all, okay, Why am I like actually in love

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Speaker 4: Hell for it too. I'm currently howling for it. So

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Speaker 1: It's January sixth.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one, the day of the insurrection.

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Speaker 4: And they go to work the rallies supposed to be

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Speaker 2: They follow them and Gilbert, who's with his dad, get

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Speaker 2: But Simone Gold is stoked and she and Strand follow

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Speaker 4: So search a valedictorian.

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Speaker 2: There's pictures of her standing with Strand behind her. He

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Speaker 2: No, she's a lawyer, so she doesn't think she did

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Speaker 4: After the break, Simone Gold ends up with way more

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Speaker 4: So she gets arrested, which is not a great look

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Speaker 1: I think it was a great look.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're a J six martyr, you wind

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, people like it?

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Speaker 2: After he finally gets released on bail, he puts up

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Speaker 2: So she's under house arrest with her.

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Speaker 4: Right dinner and death cab forever.

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Speaker 1: It's the story of the week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So the Feds are now on her tail,

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Speaker 4: Decides to do something else with her money, which is

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Speaker 4: Simone Gold has this house that's paid for by America's

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Speaker 2: She's got a Mercedes benz Van, a Hundai Genesis, a

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Speaker 2: They've been expensing five thousand dollars a month in housekeeping

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Speaker 2: She has a for profit company she's starting called gold Care,

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Speaker 4: Can she do this along with America's frontline doctors?

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Speaker 2: Well, she thinks she can do them both within the

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Speaker 2: she presents that to the board. They don't go for

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Speaker 2: that idea, at which point she says, well, then I

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Speaker 2: don't quit the board, and they say, well, you've already

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Speaker 2: quit the board.

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Speaker 4: But she has bigger problems than even this, right because

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Speaker 4: she's literally going to court about the January sixth stuff,

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Speaker 4: and she decides to plead guilty.

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Speaker 2: Actually yeah, So she and Strand are co defendants. Her

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Speaker 2: model boyfriend and her lawyers tell her that she should

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Speaker 2: plead guilty, go a misdemeanor of trespassing and probably won't

446
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Speaker 2: serve any time for trespassing and they won't take away

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Speaker 2: her medical license. So she does that, but they tell

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Speaker 2: her she shouldn't tell Strand. Oh no, the government will

449
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Speaker 2: like that. So she and stand are zoom call when

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Speaker 2: she pleads guilty, and he's kind of heartbroken because he

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Speaker 2: will not plead guilty because he's a very religious person,

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Speaker 2: and he believes this is what God intends, and he

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Speaker 2: won't lie because he doesn't feel.

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Speaker 1: Like he did anything wrong.

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Speaker 4: Does this break them up?

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Speaker 1: No? No, that they work their way through this.

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Speaker 4: Okay, how for it too? Still on good to know.

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Speaker 4: So she pleads guilty and who's the judge?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a crazy thing. So her lawyer tells her

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Speaker 2: that she's very lucky because she got assigned a really reasonable,

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Speaker 2: smart judge named Christopher Cooper.

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Speaker 4: And why is that name so familiar?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. It's a fuliar smong gold. She's

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Speaker 2: just like, great, it's a good judge. And but then

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Speaker 2: she starts looking him up and she's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: it's Casey the guy who asked me out.

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Speaker 1: At Stanford Lost, the dining hall guy.

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Speaker 2: And she's like, maybe that works in my favorite because

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Speaker 2: maybe he's got some positive memories of me because he

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Speaker 2: liked me back then, or maybe just Stanford loyalties.

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Speaker 4: And does Casey Cooper decide to do her solid or what? No.

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Speaker 2: Casey Cooper is disgusted by what she did on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: and more disgusted by the fact that she's taken in

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Speaker 2: all this money to promote anti vaccine theories with money

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Speaker 2: based on her being involved in January sixth, So he

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Speaker 2: hits her somewhat hard considering she played guilty for a

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Speaker 2: misdemeanor and she gets sixty days in prison. She runs

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Speaker 2: up in a pretty serious prison, and in fact, she

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Speaker 2: winds up in solitary for a bit, because that's how

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Speaker 2: they were handling COVID. They would just put you in

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Speaker 2: solitary for a couple weeks to make sure you have COVID.

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Speaker 4: So simone goal is in prison. And now Joey Gilbert

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Speaker 4: has to run the company right And what is the

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Speaker 4: first thing that he decides to do while she's out

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Speaker 4: of the picture.

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Speaker 2: Drops are off in prison and goes to the three

487
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Speaker 2: point six million dollar house and he gathers everyone together

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Speaker 2: and zoom on zoom, and he says, there's a new

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Speaker 2: sheriff in town. Everyone, throw away your credit cards. You've

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Speaker 2: all been spending way too much, especially you John Strand.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's no longer acceptable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, John Strand, what's he spending money on?

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Speaker 2: Well, Gilbert has accused gold and Strand of expensing basically

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Speaker 2: their whole lives on company credit cards. He especially accuses

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Speaker 2: Strand of expensing bubbly water.

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Speaker 4: Bubbly water.

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Speaker 2: Gilbert winds up suspending Strand, and then Strand uses a

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Speaker 2: credit card anyway, and then Gilbert fires him. This is

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Speaker 2: all while Gold is in prison all while.

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Speaker 4: So she comes out eventually and finds out that.

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Speaker 2: She comes out in these amazing braids.

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Speaker 1: You can see video of it.

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Speaker 2: And there's a congress person there to greet her and

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00:25:06,424 --> 00:25:10,304
Speaker 2: give her a beautifully folded up flag from the Capitol

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Speaker 2: that she had stormed to thank her for her service

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Speaker 2: and being a martyr for January six.

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Speaker 4: But you know, she has bigger problems than just her

508
00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:22,424
Speaker 4: weird braids. Her boyfriend got fired from his job at

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Speaker 4: America and.

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Speaker 1: Is about to be on trial for January six.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, what does she do? She gives Gilbert

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Speaker 4: a phone call. What does she tell him?

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Speaker 2: She calls Gilbert and she said, I've looked at your

514
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Speaker 2: expenses and they're outrageous. You're you've flown you and your

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Speaker 2: daughter first class on America's frontline doctor money. And she's

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Speaker 2: quite upset at his spending and wants a yet rid

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Speaker 2: of him.

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Speaker 4: And then they sue each other a bunch.

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Speaker 2: He starts to sue her, she countersues him, he drops

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Speaker 2: his case, and they wind up going to court in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: See who runs America's Frontline Doctors? Because he says that

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Speaker 2: she quit the board. Oh and she says no, this

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00:26:03,304 --> 00:26:06,024
Speaker 2: is her organization. So they have a fight over that,

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Speaker 2: and then it becomes quite ugly.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it's like a messy divorce.

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Speaker 2: Well, Gold says, it's like a divorce, except Joey doesn't

527
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Speaker 2: care about the kid.

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Speaker 4: So what's happening with the kid in question? America's Frontline Doctors.

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Speaker 2: There's two separate boards. There's Simone Gold who's back in

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Speaker 2: her three point six million dollar house running zoom meetings

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Speaker 2: with all of these doctors. And meanwhile, Joey Gilbert has

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Speaker 2: this separate board that claims to be also running America's

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Speaker 2: Frontline Doctor which has access to some of these bank

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Speaker 2: accounts that she gave him, and so they have millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars And what they're mostly doing is working on

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Speaker 2: the case against Simon Gold.

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Speaker 4: So like, where where are we right now? With the lawsuit?

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Speaker 2: Brand has been sentenced to quite a bit of time

539
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Speaker 2: in prison, which he's leaving for very shortly.

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Speaker 4: Guilty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's appealing but he's going to prison for quite

542
00:27:03,584 --> 00:27:04,224
Speaker 2: a bit of time.

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00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:08,984
Speaker 4: God, So everything kind of implodes spectacularly.

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00:27:09,544 --> 00:27:12,824
Speaker 2: And there's still this money that this parallel board that's

545
00:27:12,864 --> 00:27:16,184
Speaker 2: run by this guy that Joey Gilbert picked has it

546
00:27:16,224 --> 00:27:20,704
Speaker 2: is still using to pay himself and these other people

547
00:27:20,904 --> 00:27:23,664
Speaker 2: that are taking on Simone Golds. So she's got these

548
00:27:24,144 --> 00:27:27,584
Speaker 2: people who still have the money that she raised, you know,

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00:27:27,904 --> 00:27:29,864
Speaker 2: filing lawsuits against her with that money.

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Speaker 4: In the end, what do you think was really motivating

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Speaker 4: Gold throughout all of this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think she believes. I think she truly believes.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's easy to tear things down, it's

554
00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:43,384
Speaker 2: harder to build things up. So you have a bunch

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00:27:43,424 --> 00:27:46,824
Speaker 2: of people who believe they have a corrupt system, but

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00:27:46,824 --> 00:27:50,264
Speaker 2: then when they organize themselves, I think things are more difficult.

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00:27:50,344 --> 00:27:54,264
Speaker 2: And I think that's what leads these people to fall

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00:27:54,304 --> 00:27:57,464
Speaker 2: prey to corruption themselves, because they think corruption is everywhere,

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00:27:57,824 --> 00:28:00,544
Speaker 2: and so it's in some ways okay, and then they

560
00:28:00,584 --> 00:28:03,384
Speaker 2: wind up attacking each other for being corrupt.

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Speaker 4: Do you believe in Simone Gold's mission?

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00:28:07,024 --> 00:28:09,424
Speaker 1: Which part? What do you mean own.

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00:28:09,304 --> 00:28:11,224
Speaker 4: Gold convince you? Is what I'm asked?

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00:28:11,304 --> 00:28:13,504
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not gonna be signing up for

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00:28:13,504 --> 00:28:13,944
Speaker 2: gold Care.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's my take as a first time host of

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Speaker 4: this podcast.

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00:28:19,584 --> 00:28:20,584
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty fun to do what you do and get

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00:28:24,264 --> 00:28:27,224
Speaker 4: producers to feed you along list of questions instead of

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Speaker 4: actually reading this story. Yeah, I could get used to this.

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00:28:30,744 --> 00:28:32,584
Speaker 4: Your job is way easier than mine.

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00:28:33,184 --> 00:28:35,144
Speaker 1: Well apparently except for writing an outro.

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Speaker 4: You got me there, you got me there. We're just

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Speaker 4: gonna go straight to theme.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the show. What's next for Joel Stein?

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00:28:47,784 --> 00:28:48,784
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll take a.

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Speaker 3: Nap, a book a round online.

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Speaker 4: Our show today was produced by Kate mccauliffe and Nisha

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Speaker 4: Vankot and was hosted by me Nisha Vankot. It was

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Speaker 4: edited by Lydia Jane Kott. Our engineer is Amanda kay Wang,

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Speaker 4: and our executive producer is Catherine Giordeaux. Our theme song

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00:29:07,904 --> 00:29:10,864
Speaker 4: was written and performed by Jonathan Colton. To find more

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Speaker 4: Pushkin podcasts, listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 4: wherever you listen to them. I'm not Joel Stein and

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Speaker 4: this is story of the week. Do you think you

587
00:29:26,624 --> 00:29:28,704
Speaker 4: could take Joey Gilbert in a fight?

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00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:32,744
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Joey I've been to Joey Gibbert's office. He

589
00:29:32,824 --> 00:29:37,264
Speaker 1: has he has belts, he's won belts. Yeah, no, he's

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00:29:37,624 --> 00:29:39,544
Speaker 1: he's a boxer. No, of course not