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Speaker 1: and Andrew Gillem.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome home, y'all.
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Speaker 1: We are still celebrating the tail end of Black History.
Speaker 1: By the time you guys get this podcast, it will
Speaker 1: officially be March. I mean, where did February go? Is
Speaker 1: a leap year and time is going so fast. What
Speaker 1: did you say, Andrew?
Speaker 4: No, I said, holy crap. No, but we have two
Speaker 4: more days.
Speaker 5: Right, No, you have one more day on Black History Month?
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, on the podcast release.
Speaker 1: Right, And by the time people listen, it's going to
Speaker 1: be supposed to be able to talk better.
Speaker 2: This week, I still can't talk.
Speaker 6: It's because we have so much to talk about.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say, speaking of can't talk, I
Speaker 1: do want our listeners and viewers to know I am
Speaker 1: a bit under the weather. Her and find you a
Speaker 1: crew that cares enough about you to instacart you a
Speaker 1: bunch of mens. Angela uh, doctor Angela medicine woman remedies
Speaker 1: off of the natural remedies.
Speaker 4: Decline hopeful.
Speaker 6: Look.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to call Angeline figure out how to
Speaker 1: taste this. It was the heart shape herb. But I
Speaker 1: had to pray to the answers to turn around and
Speaker 1: bow three times. I just took one of everything. I
Speaker 1: took one of everything, and.
Speaker 2: That was specifically not what she was told to do.
Speaker 5: Two tablespoods and apple sider vinegar is not one of everything.
Speaker 2: But I digress, Angela.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you everything that was in that bag. I
Speaker 1: was taking one and I'm like, this is bingo ail.
Speaker 1: Do I drink it?
Speaker 6: Do I put on my.
Speaker 2: Record?
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 6: And stuff It's good juices and berries, juices and berries.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Anyway, guys, I will tell you one thing I really
Speaker 1: hate about the echo chamber is I never see us reflected.
Speaker 1: So I really love convening with you guys every week
Speaker 1: where we have conversation that we really have all week
Speaker 1: and now it's just like you guys get the eavesdrop
Speaker 1: on the conversation and we love that you're a part
Speaker 1: of it too. So I want to break down what
Speaker 1: we're going to get into. We had a big primary
Speaker 1: in a battleground state, Michigan, so we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about that what happened there with that protest vote. No
Speaker 1: big surprises in the winners, but that nuanced protests vote
Speaker 1: is certainly something to talk about.
Speaker 6: And we have a big week coming.
Speaker 1: Up because we're looking ahead to Super Tuesday that's coming
Speaker 1: up Tuesday, March fifth, and the President will deliver his
Speaker 1: State of the Union address on March seventh. So we
Speaker 1: asked you guys to weigh in with what you wanted
Speaker 1: to hear him talk about, and boy did you ever.
Speaker 6: So we have some of your comments. We're going to
Speaker 6: be talking about that.
Speaker 1: We also want to get into how the DEI issues
Speaker 1: remain under attack. There are so many attacks on these
Speaker 1: issues across the country and they continue.
Speaker 6: And speaking of things being under attacked, our pockets are
Speaker 6: under attack.
Speaker 1: We're going to get into this win these surge pricing
Speaker 1: on this episode. So we got a lot to get into.
Speaker 1: So let's kick it off and in the words of
Speaker 1: old school Jane and Jackson, give me a beat. In
Speaker 1: some other news, fresh off Capitol Hill, Mitch McConnell, Senator,
Speaker 1: Senator Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, I'm sorry, Senate
Speaker 1: Minority leader. He is the minority they have. The Republicans
Speaker 1: are on the Senate, on the Senate in the upper chamber.
Speaker 1: He is stepping down now. He's not stepping down from
Speaker 1: his Senate seat despite experiencing several medical incidents that we've
Speaker 1: all bought witness to, but he is stepping down from
Speaker 1: his position in leadership. Interesting facts about Mitch McConnell. His
Speaker 1: he made some remarks I think what last year, maybe, Angelie,
Speaker 1: you remember when he talked about black people voting just
Speaker 1: as much as Americans voting as though they're separate. Another
Speaker 1: interesting facts about Mitch McConnell. His family actually enslaved black people,
Speaker 1: which is part of how he got to his leadership position.
Speaker 6: So thoughts and prayers to.
Speaker 4: Him, Tiffany Man, I add one more interesting fact. Yes, Sir,
Speaker 4: Mitch McConnell also pulled off the greatest theft in history
Speaker 4: by taking and stealing a Supreme Court justice seat during
Speaker 4: Barack Obama's term as president. And they got away when
Speaker 4: it's Scott free.
Speaker 1: So let's get into the big news this week, and
Speaker 1: that is the Michigan primary. No big surprises there, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have heard us talk about the
Speaker 1: protest vote that was introduced Congresswoman racheated to leave, encouraging
Speaker 1: people to do a protest vote. Well, a lot of
Speaker 1: people listen because as of right now, one hundred over
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people according to the latest reporting, voted uncommitted.
Speaker 1: So before we get into the discussion, I want to
Speaker 1: let you guys hear what Congresswoman Rasheated to Leave had
Speaker 1: to say when she was leaving the voting vote.
Speaker 6: Take a listen, and we'll talk about it. On the
Speaker 6: other side.
Speaker 7: Everyone, it's Rashida. I was proud today to walk in
Speaker 7: and pull a democratic ballot and vote uncommitted. We must
Speaker 7: protect our democracy. We must make sure that our government
Speaker 7: is about us, about the people. When seventy four percent
Speaker 7: of Democrats and Michigan support a cease fire, yet President
Speaker 7: Biden is not hearing us, this is the way we
Speaker 7: can use our democracy to say listen. Listen to Michigan,
Speaker 7: Listen to the families right now that have been directly impacted.
Speaker 7: But also listen to the majority of Americans who are
Speaker 7: saying enough, no more wars, no more using our dollars
Speaker 7: to fund a genocide, no more.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's Congressman Rashida to leave talking about
Speaker 1: voting uncommitted Angela Andrew, What do you guys make of that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? You know. The thing that I have to say
Speaker 5: here is I just have some frustration to express. I
Speaker 5: am so frustrated with the last of empathy, particularly from
Speaker 5: people on social media. I can't tell you if I
Speaker 5: was the sole Palestinian representative in Congress, what I would
Speaker 5: want people to do to make their voices heard. I
Speaker 5: want to remind folks that this is a primary election.
Speaker 5: It is the perfect time to make your voices heard.
Speaker 5: However you choose to do that, whether it is I'm
Speaker 5: a vote for you, but here are my demands, I'm
Speaker 5: a vote for you, but here's my agenda, or I'm
Speaker 5: saying I'm uncommitted right now and I'm going to make
Speaker 5: sure that I put all the pressure I have the
Speaker 5: ability to apply to you until we get to the
Speaker 5: convention in Chicago. I think that she had to do
Speaker 5: what she had to do. I understand it. I don't
Speaker 5: love it. It scares me, particularly when I look at
Speaker 5: the results from Biden versus Donald Trump, where you see
Speaker 5: Joe Biden at six hundred and eighteen thousand plus votes
Speaker 5: and you see Donald Trump at seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: six thousand plus votes. If the election were held today,
Speaker 5: that would have meant that Donald Trump would have beat
Speaker 5: Joe Biden and Michigan.
Speaker 2: And that is a battleground state. It's a state that's needed.
Speaker 5: The one thing that we know we can't afford to
Speaker 5: do in this country is right off any particular state,
Speaker 5: Like everybody needs to vote. Every single state, every battleground
Speaker 5: needs to be blue in order for democracy to be preserved.
Speaker 2: That is where we are. So there's a lot at stake.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna say, how dare she do this?
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't.
Speaker 5: She's she is fully human, fully Palestinian, and walking a
Speaker 5: very lonely road, and I don't know what that's like.
Speaker 5: So you know, I kudos to everyone who won turned
Speaker 5: out because that's the most important thing. What is not
Speaker 5: a protest vote is you sit in your ass on
Speaker 5: a couch. That's not a protest vote. That's letting somebody
Speaker 5: else vote for you. And so I think that the
Speaker 5: best thing that we could hope for in a democracy,
Speaker 5: in a two party system that frankly hasn't served the
Speaker 5: least among us very well.
Speaker 2: I support them being active. Nonetheless, agreed, agreed.
Speaker 1: Now now, Andrew, you know, Michigan is home to a
Speaker 1: very large Arab American population. We have all seen the
Speaker 1: carnage out of Gaza. It is hard to look at
Speaker 1: and it is not just an issue for Arab Americans.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are looking at what's happening over there.
Speaker 1: I'm very unhappy about it.
Speaker 4: What do you mean, Yeah, I mean I think you're right,
Speaker 4: and both of you are right, Angela. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: what the sentiment has been on social media. I think
Speaker 4: it's probably pretty well known. Now. I don't read social
Speaker 4: media comments anymore, but I got to tell you, the
Speaker 4: exercise of a demonstration vote could not have been better
Speaker 4: place than in a primary election. Let's just be clear
Speaker 4: about this, because if we were at November, which thankfully
Speaker 4: is nine months away, and we were dealing with this
Speaker 4: kind of a protest vote, we'd beat up up the
Speaker 4: creek without a pedal. Hillary Clinton lost the state of
Speaker 4: Michigan by somewhat eleven thousand votes to Donald Trump eleven thousand.
Speaker 4: Joe Biden in the rematch. Obviously in last year, oh sorry,
Speaker 4: last election cycle won the state by a little over
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand votes, so we're anywhere between eleven thousand
Speaker 4: and one hundred thousand votes, making the difference between who
Speaker 4: gets the electoral votes out of Michigan and what that
Speaker 4: also means, by further extension, who wins the presidency of
Speaker 4: the United States of America. That's what it comes down to.
Speaker 4: And so I saw interviews on television many of those
Speaker 4: voters who came out and said, I voted protests because
Speaker 4: I want to send the White House a message that
Speaker 4: I don't like how the President is handling this war
Speaker 4: in the Middle East. And they said, but I want
Speaker 4: to I want to vote for Joe Biden. I want
Speaker 4: to be convinced to be able to vote for Joe
Speaker 4: Biden come the November election. So I think a good
Speaker 4: number of these people will come home, But I don't
Speaker 4: believe they're coming home unless they see something different by
Speaker 4: way of how this administration is effectuating policy there. And
Speaker 4: it should be a warning sign to the White House.
Speaker 4: But I will tell you who else out of adopted
Speaker 4: a warning sign. Donald Trump. He lost three hundred thousand
Speaker 4: votes to NICKI Haley. Practically you can't win, to say
Speaker 4: to Michigan losing that many Republican voters and so I
Speaker 4: don't know how many of them say I'll vote for
Speaker 4: her now and then I'll switch and vote for him later.
Speaker 4: But my guess is a number of those people are
Speaker 4: probably not Trumpers, or never Trumpers are now never Trumpers,
Speaker 4: and so that that ought have sent a oney sign
Speaker 4: to the Republicans as well.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought up Nicki Haley because she
Speaker 1: actually said that she is not getting out the race.
Speaker 5: Let's wait, I just have one quick thing, quick thing.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's going to be super quick. The only
Speaker 5: other thing I wanted to flag for everyone is in
Speaker 5: twenty twelve, when Barack Obama was in the race, there
Speaker 5: was a primary where eleven percent of Michiganders voted uncommitted
Speaker 5: as well. It wasn't a protest for twenty it was,
Speaker 5: but it was it was eleven percent of the turnout,
Speaker 5: and so I just want to make sure that folks
Speaker 5: also know that as well.
Speaker 2: That was all I love.
Speaker 1: All right, So, nick I'm glad you brought up Nicki
Speaker 1: Haley because she says she's not getting out the race.
Speaker 1: So let's take a listen to what she told CNN's
Speaker 1: Dan of Ash this week.
Speaker 8: We've only seen a handful of states vote. I mean, look,
Speaker 8: I've said this before. As much as the media wants
Speaker 8: to jump ahead, we're taking this one state, one day
Speaker 8: at a time.
Speaker 2: That's what this is about.
Speaker 8: You know, if I got out when y'all were talking
Speaker 8: about it earlier in New Hamphire, South Carolina, whatever, it
Speaker 8: would be the longest general election race in presidential history. Still,
Speaker 8: if I got out today, it'd be the longest general
Speaker 8: election race in history. America is blessed to be a democracy.
Speaker 8: Let people vote now. In the next week, we're gonna
Speaker 8: watch twenty states and territories vote. Let's let that happen.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, that is the whole point of a contest.
Speaker 1: Angela has been doing an excellent job posting these news updates.
Speaker 1: You guys, be sure to follow Native Land Pod on
Speaker 1: Instagram because you can keep track of what's happening.
Speaker 6: Just so folks know.
Speaker 1: Super Tuesday, Tuesday, March fifth, the state's voting Alabama, Alaska,
Speaker 1: that's GOP only in Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah or Mount Virginia, and
Speaker 1: the US territory of American Samoa. Angela, What do you
Speaker 1: I mean, does Nicky have a path to the White House.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Nimroda, but I know you don't like when
Speaker 1: I call her that. But do you think she has
Speaker 1: a path to the WHI Well.
Speaker 5: First, I just want to add that there have been
Speaker 5: a great number of people who are supporting us on
Speaker 5: the news clips online, and I want to shout out
Speaker 5: camera and Lolo.
Speaker 2: Lolo's going above and beyond these days.
Speaker 5: She's like, research has to be in the news clips too,
Speaker 5: So shout out to them. Nicky Hayley does not have
Speaker 5: a path unless there's some magic math that's going to
Speaker 5: happen at some point. She is picking up delegates along
Speaker 5: the way. I think right now at twenty two delegates
Speaker 5: in counting, but we probably won't count that manymore. I
Speaker 5: am suggesting that even though she says she's going to
Speaker 5: stay in the race, I don't think she'll stay in
Speaker 5: much longer than Super Tuesday, which is the same thing
Speaker 5: we said last week.
Speaker 6: Well, what is the point of her staying? Like, what
Speaker 6: do you think about it? Andrew?
Speaker 2: With her?
Speaker 6: Like, is her presence making a difference?
Speaker 4: I think that, first of all for the Democrats. I
Speaker 4: absolutely think that it's making a difference. Why because we're
Speaker 4: going to be able to clip every one of these
Speaker 4: comments and put them in commercials and ads, radio, television,
Speaker 4: and otherwise during the general election and target that very
Speaker 4: specifically to independent voters, undecided voters who are trying to
Speaker 4: make a decision between Donald Trump and the President Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: And to have the how do you say, the co
Speaker 4: sign of a triedent for Republican who represents a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff I don't believe in, has set a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff I detest. But to have a Republican saying
Speaker 4: what she is saying in truth about Donald Trump, we'll
Speaker 4: add a lot of fodder for the campaign as we
Speaker 4: get closer to election day. But I will tell you
Speaker 4: just say, I think there are two advantages that here
Speaker 4: staying in one, I think she's probably preparing herself for
Speaker 4: the next round of this twenty twenty eight coming out
Speaker 4: of this election, basically saying, once all the trials are
Speaker 4: all done, once you know, hopefully Donald Trump is in
Speaker 4: nick cuffs and prison ate you know, in prison, she'll say, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm your girl. I stood up when all the men
Speaker 4: dropped out when everybody else didn't have the courage to
Speaker 4: take it toe to toe with Donald Trump. I did it,
Speaker 4: and I deserve to be the nominee this time. That's
Speaker 4: one reason too. I think she's potentially waiting for one
Speaker 4: of these trials to straight up in this man's political career.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that will happen prior to November,
Speaker 4: but I think she's probably hedging that that might be
Speaker 4: a possibility. And if she's the last woman standing, last
Speaker 4: person standing, she may feel that she's in good position
Speaker 4: to win the party's support as its nominee. Should he
Speaker 4: Should he not make it to November?
Speaker 1: Okay, but here's my question, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: are never Trumpers until they ain't correct what we see
Speaker 1: a day when Nicki Haley is on stage saying, I
Speaker 1: Nicki Haley support Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: She's served in his administration.
Speaker 4: So I think we can see that.
Speaker 6: So they will fall into guess what.
Speaker 4: Those words aren't going away, her critiques of him aren't
Speaker 4: going away, and the accuracy of those critiques don't go away.
Speaker 4: So it doesn't diminish our ability to take her words,
Speaker 4: put them in advertising, and let her take him down
Speaker 4: for real, not lightweight but real.
Speaker 5: The only thing I'll say to this is, you know,
Speaker 5: in so many instances, you hear people, I think, particularly
Speaker 5: young people these days, who are like this is why
Speaker 5: I don't like politics, because if you watch people speak
Speaker 5: out of both sides of their mouth. And we don't
Speaker 5: even have to wait for Nikki Haley to be on
Speaker 5: the stage endorsement Donald Trump, maybe even hoping that she
Speaker 5: becomes his VP, right to watch the double speak. She
Speaker 5: will double speak and talk herself in circles in one interview.
Speaker 5: We saw it on the Breakfast Club. We saw it
Speaker 5: on State of the Union, so we.
Speaker 4: See it over and over again.
Speaker 5: We see it at the town halls like she will
Speaker 5: talk herself in circles. So these are this is the
Speaker 5: reason she embodies why so many people, particularly young folks,
Speaker 5: don't like politics. It's frustrating to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look, I just have seen time and time
Speaker 1: again where people have come out been highly critical of
Speaker 1: this man and eventually they fall in line, and it
Speaker 1: is crazy. It's like a cult.
Speaker 4: I don't doubt that, y'all. But this is why Fanian
Speaker 4: Angela and I know we know this, but that's why
Speaker 4: we can't take any voter any vote for granted, When
Speaker 4: you can lose the presidency by the by eleven thousand
Speaker 4: votes in one state, then y'all, if you need anything
Speaker 4: else to underscore the importance the imperative to your voice
Speaker 4: being in the process, this is it, because that's what
Speaker 4: it's going to come down to. A few states and
Speaker 4: a few thousand votes or maybe a few hundred votes
Speaker 4: in between. Bush, you did become president with a four
Speaker 4: what was it a five for Supreme Court decision, right,
Speaker 4: and a couple hundred votes in Florida in two thousand.
Speaker 4: That made the difference every time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the hanging chest. That's swinging chess. Yeah, hanging Chad, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Your next.
Speaker 4: Started on there.
Speaker 6: Florida, Florida.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I tell you, you brought up a really good point about
Speaker 1: being able to lose the presidential election by just a
Speaker 1: few thousand votes, But there are some nuance to that,
Speaker 1: and I want us to discuss that.
Speaker 6: We have a viewer question.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for submitting all your questions to us,
Speaker 1: and you can keep sending those at Native land Pod
Speaker 1: on our Instagram handle. But we have an interesting viewer
Speaker 1: question that we want to get to. But first we're
Speaker 1: got to take a really quick break, but don't go
Speaker 1: anywhere because right after this we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: Trump and black Trump supporters.
Speaker 6: Is it a real thing. We'll get to that on
Speaker 6: the other side. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we have a question from Joyce Smith from
Speaker 1: the Bronx.
Speaker 6: Joyce, what you got?
Speaker 2: My name is Joyce Smith Jones. I'm from the Bronx,
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 9: My question is why are some of our folks in
Speaker 9: our community still willing to support Trump after so much
Speaker 9: he can continues to be transparent about how he feels
Speaker 9: about our community.
Speaker 2: He has.
Speaker 9: Always been a racist and has never supported anything, even
Speaker 9: when he was a Democrat and he was in the
Speaker 9: end crowd and hanging out with jay Z. He's never
Speaker 9: really been someone that we should trust and get behind.
Speaker 9: But yet so many of us are still willing to
Speaker 9: support this man, and I just don't understand why when
Speaker 9: he's clearly showing us that if he gets re elected again,
Speaker 9: we might as well be reporting to the nearest white person.
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you for that bad question, Joyce.
Speaker 1: I have to just start out with right kick because
Speaker 1: you guys and say the math eight math in here, guys,
Speaker 1: there is no large enough constituency of black men supporting
Speaker 1: Donald Trump that could swing this election either way.
Speaker 6: When you look at the map of where black voters.
Speaker 1: Live, it is just not I mean, if we want
Speaker 1: to talk about people who are supporting Donald Trump, the
Speaker 1: biggest number is white people. It's conservative white voters. In
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, most white blue collar voters supported Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: In Michigan. We just had a primary there.
Speaker 1: And there although the Union people they swung their support
Speaker 1: to Donald Trump. The UAW endorsed President Biden, but they
Speaker 1: acknowledge most of their members support Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: So it baffles me.
Speaker 1: While the media is constantly pushing this storyline as though
Speaker 1: black men could hand the presidency to Donald Trump, is
Speaker 1: just not true and I hate that storyline. So I
Speaker 1: take your point, Joyce, because you probably see that on
Speaker 1: social media, you probably see it on cable news. But
Speaker 1: there is not a large number of black men supporting
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. There are some, but not a large enough
Speaker 1: number that they could hand this presidency to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: But my co hosts may have different thoughts, So what
Speaker 1: do you guys.
Speaker 5: I just want us to be really careful about how
Speaker 5: we throw people's names into things. She said that he
Speaker 5: was hanging out with jay Z, and I would like
Speaker 5: for her to tell me when and where that happened.
Speaker 5: Jay Z's been consistent in his criticism of Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: When Donald Trump said that we come from shithole countries,
Speaker 5: jay Z said that that was unnecessary and hurtful. When
Speaker 5: he was talking about his presidency overall, he said, and
Speaker 5: I quote, he's bringing out an ugly side of America
Speaker 5: that we wanted to believe was gone. Like, I'm just
Speaker 5: trying to understand when we decide like who's doing what
Speaker 5: and why and on this you know, at the same time,
Speaker 5: we have someone who I love. I love Joey Krack,
Speaker 5: I love Fat Joe. But he's saying, on one side,
Speaker 5: I don't support Donald Trump, but on the other hand,
Speaker 5: he's waving a Trump sneaker online, Like some of that
Speaker 5: stuff is not helpful. But I also want us to
Speaker 5: be very careful and cautious with our words, and I
Speaker 5: want us to also be careful with our influence. We
Speaker 5: can do all of those things. And I think that
Speaker 5: what is sad is you have and we've talked about
Speaker 5: already on this show show. We have fifty cent talk
Speaker 5: about maybe Trump got it right on the migrant crisis.
Speaker 5: He ended up sitting down with people who we know,
Speaker 5: some of whom we love as well, and he of
Speaker 5: course corrected after a conversation as well with Eric Adams.
Speaker 5: But it's fine to express your frustration, but beware of
Speaker 5: the influence you carry and know that people are going
Speaker 5: to follow suit. When they think that you're frustrated enough
Speaker 5: and you throw Trump's name in it, they might think
Speaker 5: that is a vote.
Speaker 2: They may not want to engage. I just brought up
Speaker 2: a reason in the last portion.
Speaker 5: If they don't trust politicians, but they trust you because
Speaker 5: you've always shown up for them.
Speaker 2: You sound like them, you grew up like them.
Speaker 5: Be very careful and mindful of the platform you carry
Speaker 5: and how you use that thing. And at the same time,
Speaker 5: just because one rapper did it, don't mean all rappers
Speaker 5: did it. So let's not throw that at the feet
Speaker 5: of everybody. That is ain't cool and it ain't right.
Speaker 1: So that's that is so important, and really quickly because
Speaker 1: share responsibly. Just because you see something somebody wrote something
Speaker 1: like make sure verify your sources, seek information from reliable,
Speaker 1: responsible sources. And Will just pointed out we have no
Speaker 1: record of jay Z standing with Trump or endorsing Trump's
Speaker 1: presidency and some of these to your point, right, is
Speaker 1: that we have not seen anything like that. So so again,
Speaker 1: when you say things like that, it's important to make
Speaker 1: sure that you're accurate. And I just want to point
Speaker 1: out to the point of fat Joe, I echo everything
Speaker 1: you said, Angela. Fat Joe is obviously in the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican community. I believe he lives in Florida. It's a
Speaker 1: solid red state. Fat Joe holding the Trump sneaker is
Speaker 1: not going to win the election for Donald Trump. But
Speaker 1: I think Angela makes a good point Andrew in that influence,
Speaker 1: I don't think that you know, Listen, most black people,
Speaker 1: I just hate that, like we that the media reduces
Speaker 1: black men like they're gonna see Fat Joe holding a
Speaker 1: sneaker and if they're.
Speaker 6: Gona vote for Trump.
Speaker 1: Most people are not looking to gen X rappers for
Speaker 1: how they're going to vote.
Speaker 6: But I don't want us to buy. They're looking at
Speaker 6: like I don't want.
Speaker 1: To donate to his I don't want to donate to
Speaker 1: his legal donate to exactly. But we're looking at these
Speaker 1: rappers like you look a You look a fool when
Speaker 1: you when you stand.
Speaker 6: We're looking at you like.
Speaker 4: That's right. That's just real quick for joy I think
Speaker 4: she was saying. She was saying, even though he stood
Speaker 4: next to and and engage with with jay Z and
Speaker 4: she listened to some others did not.
Speaker 5: I don't even want us to say that that did
Speaker 5: not happen. But it did not happen. That's why you
Speaker 5: didn't see it. It has never happened.
Speaker 4: I get it what I think she's referring to. For instance,
Speaker 4: just like you've seen the Clintons in the same place
Speaker 4: location where Donald Trump has been, maybe there were New
Speaker 4: York events. Because she is in New York, she may
Speaker 4: have seen them at the same place and thought that
Speaker 4: they were. So I just want to I'll put that
Speaker 4: in its own perspective. But I agree with you, Angela.
Speaker 4: If it were sit down meeting and a pat on
Speaker 4: the back and you go do this, that ain't happen.
Speaker 4: We haven't seen that. But I will say you're your
Speaker 4: Your comment around the celebrity piece really hits close to
Speaker 4: me because I do think that they have the influence
Speaker 4: to help move people to the polls, keep them from
Speaker 4: the poles potentially, and maybe and shape ower person may vote.
Speaker 4: I don't know for sure, but I will say this, y'all.
Speaker 4: Celebrities largely got more money, more resources, live in a
Speaker 4: different world than you and I get to live in.
Speaker 4: And so I don't think it's beyond the pale for
Speaker 4: people who are wealthy in this country to be lightweight
Speaker 4: side with Trump here or there. Possibly, I don't know
Speaker 4: for a fact, but possibly, but know that they are
Speaker 4: motivated by different set of reasons, then you might be
Speaker 4: motivated when you go to the polls. Furthermore, if Trump
Speaker 4: is using selling Hawking some plastic orange or yellow slash
Speaker 4: gold and pale sneakers as his entree into the black community,
Speaker 4: and why you ought to vote for him, or if
Speaker 4: he's he's he's pitching you on the fact that he
Speaker 4: got a mugshot and therefore we ought to be in
Speaker 4: solidary andrew with him. They just know, y'all, that that
Speaker 4: is the lowest hanging invisible fruit there ever is to
Speaker 4: compel anybody to be for you. Which if you want
Speaker 4: me as your voter, come to me with some public
Speaker 4: policy that is going to alter my life in such
Speaker 4: a way that I earn more that I am able
Speaker 4: to start a business as a minority and get some
Speaker 4: grant and loan assistance that takes it there. But this
Speaker 4: this stuff that this man is doing as a way
Speaker 4: to outreach to people of color, and more specifically black folk, y'all,
Speaker 4: we are to all be outraged and insulted, but you
Speaker 4: know what entree to us. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me well, before we go on, guys, I just
Speaker 1: want to remind people what Donald Trump actually said. So
Speaker 1: take a listen to what he believes is his appeal
Speaker 1: to the black community.
Speaker 10: We've all seen the mugshot, and you know who embraced
Speaker 10: it more than anybody else, the black population.
Speaker 5: It's incredible.
Speaker 10: You see black people walking around with my monk shot.
Speaker 10: You know, they do shirts and they sewn for nineteen
Speaker 10: dollars apiece.
Speaker 6: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 5: Angela, Listen, I'm gonna tell you something that's not gonna
Speaker 5: be popper. We have a lot of people who are
Speaker 5: motivated and inspired to go to the polls for some
Speaker 5: really interesting reasons. There was a time in our electorate
Speaker 5: where someone who appeared to be the first real shot
Speaker 5: we had at a presidency after the ways, the many
Speaker 5: ways in which Reverend Jackson paved the way right, But
Speaker 5: we knew that that was even a long shot. Barack
Speaker 5: Obama ran on hope and change, change we could believe in.
Speaker 5: It wasn't substantive policy. It was the hope that America
Speaker 5: could actually finally serve us. And then there are these
Speaker 5: other folks and and and we have to be really
Speaker 5: careful with like, well, rappers don't really move the needle.
Speaker 5: There's a reason why there are surrogate operations in every campaign,
Speaker 5: from the mayor to the governor to the president.
Speaker 2: It does move the needle on some things.
Speaker 5: I am insulted by the direction in which Donald Trump
Speaker 5: has taken this thing, but I'm not going to be
Speaker 5: intellectually dishonest and say that broad stroke themes don't work
Speaker 5: to move bodies to the polls. Shame on him for
Speaker 5: saying that his mugshot was enough to move a base.
Speaker 5: But I think the real thing is, and this might
Speaker 5: be a whole ass ted talk podcast that we need
Speaker 5: to do to unravel it. There is something remarkable about
Speaker 5: someone who can relate to the many challenges that we've had.
Speaker 5: It is not Donald Trump, to be super clear, but
Speaker 5: I think that it is highly worth considering. As someone
Speaker 5: who is a student of political strategy. What it means
Speaker 5: to find someone who is has been othered. What it
Speaker 5: means to find someone who has had to pull themselves
Speaker 5: up by their bootstraps after they found some boots that
Speaker 5: they could actually afford.
Speaker 2: What it means to.
Speaker 5: Really like be one of the people who was ostracized
Speaker 5: and not really allowed, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 5: what does it mean to have this person who really
Speaker 5: understands the plight of a community that has been so
Speaker 5: marginalized despite our significant contribution. And I think there's language
Speaker 5: at play that he has effectively used to reach some
Speaker 5: of our folks who haven't felt heard in the process.
Speaker 5: The problem is, I need y'all to understand what gas
Speaker 5: lighting is. This isn't hope and change you can believe in.
Speaker 5: This is someone who is praying on you. Not praying, praying,
Speaker 5: pouncing on you where you've been most vulnerable, playing like
Speaker 5: they understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been in a relationship with a.
Speaker 5: Dude who has never heard you and then all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, when you're about to walk out that door,
Speaker 5: the dude starts telling you everything you ever told him.
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, when you.
Speaker 5: Said such and such and so and so, I feel
Speaker 5: you I get it, I got you, I'm with you,
Speaker 5: and they're all that, and then you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: he really gets it.
Speaker 2: I finally feel heard.
Speaker 1: And then you go back, why is Angela telling him? Listen,
Speaker 1: but we gotta nail this so we get it right,
Speaker 1: so we can see the demon coming.
Speaker 6: That is what he's doing.
Speaker 5: And then when he gets you, boo boo, he gonna say, actually,
Speaker 5: you I am still the lawn order president.
Speaker 2: Your ass going back to jail for nothing.
Speaker 5: When he gets you, he's gonna say, I do still
Speaker 5: think Harriet's ass deserves to be on a two dollar
Speaker 5: bill and not a twenty. When he gets you, he
Speaker 5: is gonna say, I do think you should be shared
Speaker 5: cropping and not holding shares in this corporation. When he
Speaker 5: gets you, he's gonna say, actually, grab them by the vagina,
Speaker 5: don't let them have IVF, don't let them have an abortion.
Speaker 5: I don't care if there was rape or incest involved.
Speaker 5: And on top of that, fuck your birth control. That's
Speaker 5: what we're dealing with. He's saying all the right things,
Speaker 5: but he's doing it for all the wrong reasons. He
Speaker 5: hope your ass stays at home. He hopes you go
Speaker 5: to the polls and votes for him. He hopes you
Speaker 5: get a Nigga for Trump t shirt and then you
Speaker 5: are booboo the fool. And I don't think that we're
Speaker 5: that dumb. Prove me right that we're not that dumb.
Speaker 5: I didn't cussed, I didn't got in trouble with my
Speaker 5: pastor my mom and daddy and all that.
Speaker 1: But that was necessary. A lot of people listen to
Speaker 1: the podcast who ain't bad about it.
Speaker 2: Andrew was a bishop today now all the time.
Speaker 1: I have a question for you guys, though, because this
Speaker 1: is a point of disagreement, and I may be the
Speaker 1: cheese may stand alone here because Andrew you made this point.
Speaker 1: Angela made this point. Andrew you're saying celebrities have an influence.
Speaker 1: Angela you're saying rappers can sway people. I am trying
Speaker 1: to think if I've ever been moved by a celebrity
Speaker 1: on a policy of position.
Speaker 6: You know that not.
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 1: So that's my question, like who is the population? You
Speaker 1: guys think, who is almost everybody? But the reason why
Speaker 1: this nuance point when I don't know about that, because
Speaker 1: the reason why this is such an important point because
Speaker 1: I think the media gets this wrong so much. My
Speaker 1: grandmama wasn't never moved by a celebrity. My unts weren't
Speaker 1: never moved. But there are To your point, If you
Speaker 1: guys are saying that, I just wonder who are these people?
Speaker 1: And I want our viewers when you guys listen to
Speaker 1: this and way in do you know people who are
Speaker 1: moved by rappers or celebrity? Have you ever been swayed
Speaker 1: by a rapper or celebrity on how you cat celebrity?
Speaker 6: I agree now I'm just hearing this.
Speaker 4: I mean I think yes they do have. Angela mentioned
Speaker 4: the fact that there is an operation side of every
Speaker 4: campaign that has ever run that is likely been successful.
Speaker 4: Where you have Sarah Getz who come and they do
Speaker 4: it for a number of reasons, one of which they
Speaker 4: want press.
Speaker 6: But are theyties?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean my campaign did it. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: we had everybody who would come, everybody, and in part
Speaker 4: because we knew that different people took their marching orders,
Speaker 4: took their influence from different folks. I am not for everybody, Angela,
Speaker 4: you are not for everybody. Tiffany, you are not for everybody.
Speaker 4: We are not even as wide diverse and divergent opinions
Speaker 4: as we may have as as as I think model
Speaker 4: a person. The both of you are different. Folks look
Speaker 4: different places to get influence, and they find to find influence.
Speaker 4: And that's why there's an influencer culture, because we know
Speaker 4: that there are folks who do things based off of
Speaker 4: what other people say. That said, Angela, your points were brilliant,
Speaker 4: And the only thing I have to say is that
Speaker 4: I think if he is communicating, if he is that
Speaker 4: man that you're about to walk away from, who then
Speaker 4: starts viewing the right things as if it's been there always,
Speaker 4: he didn't do a good job at spewing it. I'm
Speaker 4: talking Donald Trump, just the overwhelmingly obvious tokenizing way in
Speaker 4: which he does and says what he says. Because I
Speaker 4: agree with you, Angela, I opened myself up to a
Speaker 4: whole new round of people after being indicted. I didn't
Speaker 4: know it was a thing, but there were people who said, man,
Speaker 4: I wish you were governor, and I wish you had
Speaker 4: done that thing, and this is that and a third
Speaker 4: But bruh, you know, you now know what the man
Speaker 4: does and what they do, and you're not fool and
Speaker 4: so it signaled something different. However, I had and unpacked
Speaker 4: of conversation about the for larger the criminal justice reform,
Speaker 4: because it shouldn't be that you've got to hire a
Speaker 4: million dollar lawyer and be a former elected official and
Speaker 4: a former you know, a party leader to be able
Speaker 4: to fight back against a system that trounces on us
Speaker 4: every single day. Right, this man didn't do that. He
Speaker 4: just said I got a mug shot and mugshot and
Speaker 4: y'all ought to be with me. The blacks are out
Speaker 4: there with me because my face because I went to
Speaker 4: I have a mug shot. That's not sincere. It is
Speaker 4: nothing but tokenizing. And for those who buy that bait,
Speaker 4: maybe you get what you deserve. But the problem is
Speaker 4: if you're getting what you desider, I'm sorry, but you
Speaker 4: getting what you deserve puts your foot on my neck
Speaker 4: and that of my children and my children's children. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's why it's so important that we take this thing
Speaker 4: for real and for serious, because it ain't just about you.
Speaker 4: The implications will impact you, please believe, because everything Angela
Speaker 4: said is right, but it's going to impact more than
Speaker 4: just You can limpack the communities and the people you
Speaker 4: care about the most.
Speaker 1: Really quick on well, speaking of impacting the community, I
Speaker 1: just want to say under the Trump administration, because you
Speaker 1: talked about cj our criminal justice reform in a day,
Speaker 1: his ag at the time, Jeff Sessions brought back mandates
Speaker 1: and that was a huge thing that devastated the black community.
Speaker 1: I also just want to make the point that when
Speaker 1: you guys are saying celebrities as validators, I think community
Speaker 1: validators can also be your book for it can also
Speaker 1: be your sororities of your friend brothers.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 1: So I just wonder I really want to hear from
Speaker 1: the audience.
Speaker 2: I know you don't want to hear it from me
Speaker 2: no more.
Speaker 5: But I got one more thing on the Syriaca just
Speaker 5: because we went I know we went a lot longer
Speaker 5: on this, but I think it is yea, it should
Speaker 5: be something that we unpacked point by point on another pod,
Speaker 5: but surrogate operations aren't because that person in and of
Speaker 5: themselves saying I'm going to do this, therefore you better.
Speaker 5: Although it might if Beyonce goes and says I'm going
Speaker 5: to do this, therefore you better, maybe it moves bodies
Speaker 5: to the polls. She did it with Bejo. It didn't
Speaker 5: work all.
Speaker 2: The way, but maybe if she was any.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true, but it you know, but we had
Speaker 5: a concert for you the night before the election, and
Speaker 5: people still went to vote for you, Andrew in the rain,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So like, there are people
Speaker 5: when that that have the function of moving bodies to
Speaker 5: the polls. But you know what, I think the bigger
Speaker 5: purpose of a surrogate operation is to bring in people
Speaker 5: to do no harm. There are people that stepped out
Speaker 5: against Andrew. I will never forget Luke Campbell.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't against you. It was for yep.
Speaker 5: It was for the mayor of my It was in
Speaker 5: Miami Beach, yeah, Levine, Yeah all right. And I was
Speaker 5: so like, how could you do this when a black
Speaker 5: man was running? Luke said he didn't know Andrew was running.
Speaker 5: That couldn't could indeed have been the case. Andrew was
Speaker 5: running on a shoe string budget in the primary. He
Speaker 5: was making it happen. But I do think that the
Speaker 5: most important thing that a surrogate operation could have is
Speaker 5: a provision of doing no harm, bringing enough people to
Speaker 5: do no harm to get educated about it. So when not,
Speaker 5: since it's put on social media, they're in a position
Speaker 5: to push back a little bit. That is I think
Speaker 5: the initial purpose of serrogus, but they do move bodies
Speaker 5: not only to the polls, but to do no harm.
Speaker 4: And since you bought it, and I think that's tweeted
Speaker 4: this past week.
Speaker 2: Yes he did what he said. Trump, he said tump,
Speaker 2: though I need somebody to spell.
Speaker 1: We all go from this point on, ain't and look
Speaker 1: at these look at these questions I want because so
Speaker 1: many people waited in a lot of people have things
Speaker 1: that they wanted President Biden to address in his State.
Speaker 11: Of the Union.
Speaker 4: Than by the way, I'm going.
Speaker 6: To get those people.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you guys, Yes, let's roll that and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it.
Speaker 12: Native lamb Pod thank you so very much for this
Speaker 12: called the action. I am Manny's millennium mouth, huge fan.
Speaker 12: And what I want President Biden to address at the
Speaker 12: State of Union is the fact that we're only two
Speaker 12: months in twenty twenty four and already eight school shootings
Speaker 12: have occurred, and every time the topic of gun control
Speaker 12: is brought up, the pushback is from the people that
Speaker 12: claim they are so pro life, and they'll say, what
Speaker 12: about the protection as the Second Amendment? What about the
Speaker 12: protection of our children? Parents are sending their children to
Speaker 12: school to get an education, and instead they're getting a
Speaker 12: healthy hospital bill or they're getting a funeral service.
Speaker 2: You know why she picked this question, Andrew.
Speaker 4: Because she's interviewing for the fourth Oh You.
Speaker 2: Baby Park Atlanta Park at LANTAA.
Speaker 4: How about shout out to OH every show. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: an honorary I'm an honorary doctor from Pluck Atlanta.
Speaker 2: You really know.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, c A Vonn and our brother. What do
Speaker 1: you guys think about it? I do just want to
Speaker 1: put a little news here. This week, the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: is considering banning bump stocks. You guys remember of that
Speaker 1: horrific shooting in Las Vegas. The Trump administration surprisingly issued
Speaker 1: a ban on bump stocks. It's been banned since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: There is a chance this week that the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: could overturn that and reintroduce bump stocks into society. I
Speaker 1: don't know why anybody would do that, but that is
Speaker 1: happening this week. But what do you guys make of
Speaker 1: his question?
Speaker 5: I didn't really feel like he asked the question. I
Speaker 5: think he told us exactly what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Back here.
Speaker 4: Thought he was interviewing for the fourth co host, I'd
Speaker 4: like him.
Speaker 1: Well, he was saying, what about the protection of the
Speaker 1: Second Amendment? What about the protection of our children? How
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of black people who you know,
Speaker 1: there are plenty of black people who are Second Amendment advocates.
Speaker 6: There are plenty of black gun a moment, can we
Speaker 6: have both?
Speaker 1: Especially in that Bible bell in the South, like my
Speaker 1: uncles think, it's so strange that I live in the
Speaker 1: house and I don't have.
Speaker 6: A gun, and they're like, you have a gun. You
Speaker 6: need a gun?
Speaker 1: Right pop a ride look like he packing. So I
Speaker 1: just wonder, but is there how do we balance that
Speaker 1: with all this this gun violent school shooting And is
Speaker 1: gun control legislation going to stop these mass shootings? I
Speaker 1: believe it will. It will limit it. I don't know
Speaker 1: that it will bring it to a speeching, not a hope.
Speaker 4: But yes, what from the world, and there is not
Speaker 4: another developed nation in the world that confronts the level
Speaker 4: of gun violence incidents that we have here in the
Speaker 4: United States in a single month of the year. We
Speaker 4: can't find another country that has had that many violent
Speaker 4: gun violence related incidents and mass shootings. Then a one
Speaker 4: year analysis in their own countries. So there's something special,
Speaker 4: particular and unique in this country about our gun toting
Speaker 4: culture that is uncomparable, uncomparable to any other place in
Speaker 4: the world. It is a problem. We all have to
Speaker 4: know it now. Why it is that we have folks
Speaker 4: in Washington, DC who are so entrenched, as the brother said,
Speaker 4: who are so pro life, but don't care a thing
Speaker 4: about life once it's out of the womb, care a
Speaker 4: thing about it, right, do nothing to advance life beyond
Speaker 4: the speaking point, the talking point, the political advantages of it.
Speaker 4: And I'll just say, look no further than the humongous
Speaker 4: lobby that exists for guns, largely the National Rifle Association,
Speaker 4: the money that they put into campaigns and elections, and
Speaker 4: you will get your answer, all right, money is the
Speaker 4: guiding principle here. That's what they want, that's what they're after.
Speaker 4: Many of these folks don't carry guns themselves, they don't
Speaker 4: have them in their homes themselves. Yet they're out here
Speaker 4: advocating what our founders and framers could have never conceived of.
Speaker 4: And that look back then, if you shot a gun,
Speaker 4: you had half a chance of shooting yourself. That was
Speaker 4: the technology of the day. They did not consider that
Speaker 4: you could have a gun then in a matter of seconds,
Speaker 4: seconds could strike down twelve people. They never conceive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, Angela, you got another question for it.
Speaker 3: I won't President Biden into it. Dress why he is
Speaker 3: willing to give ninety five point three billion dollars to
Speaker 3: Ukraine and Israel, ninety five point three billion of our
Speaker 3: tax dollars to foreign countries instead of dealing with the problems.
Speaker 4: That we have here at home.
Speaker 6: We have student loan.
Speaker 3: Crisis, we have an education crisis, we have an infrastructure crisis,
Speaker 3: we have a healthcare crisis. We have black unemployment crisis,
Speaker 3: we have a black wealth crisis. Do you realize that
Speaker 3: ninety five point three billion dollars is the same as
Speaker 3: given three million Americans thirty thousand dollars worth of relief
Speaker 3: from their student loans.
Speaker 5: I don't feel like he's asking a question. He's yeah,
Speaker 5: he made it plain, he's super clear. It's a great proposal.
Speaker 5: I don't mind it at all. I'm always for relief,
Speaker 5: financial relief for our people we need it, and certainly
Speaker 5: for reparations, even though this wasn't a reparation proposal. But
Speaker 5: I think our folks did a great job of weighing
Speaker 5: in with what they wanted to here from President by
Speaker 5: and in the State of the Union address.
Speaker 2: Hopefully his team is taken note.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm but Andrew, what do you what do
Speaker 1: you think about what he was saying about this aid
Speaker 1: that we are look a big issue that we just
Speaker 1: saw play out in the Michigan primary is we are
Speaker 1: funding a lot of what we see the IDF doing
Speaker 1: in Gaza and a lot of people feel very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with that. Do we think that will have an impact
Speaker 1: in the general and what would what would he say
Speaker 1: about that or what could he say about that during
Speaker 1: the State of the Years to put maybe put the
Speaker 1: people's at ease.
Speaker 6: But I don't think people will.
Speaker 4: I think he could say a lot, but it would
Speaker 4: be more important that if his words would actually carry
Speaker 4: sway with uh Benjamin Nett Yahoo versus basically going into
Speaker 4: the ether and not really having an impact. We see
Speaker 4: the country American taxpayers, of course funding has funded largely
Speaker 4: Israel's security, UH sense its independence and and I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't take issue with that at all.
Speaker 4: And by the way, I think student loans and student
Speaker 4: loan debt is an issue that out of stand on
Speaker 4: its own two feet, and the President does have a
Speaker 4: proposal in that regard, and what we have to worry
Speaker 4: about is whether the Supreme Court is going to take
Speaker 4: a machete hatchet to it and strip that program down
Speaker 4: to the point that it doesn't exist unless the Congress
Speaker 4: gets their act together and passes it. The one thing
Speaker 4: that I neglected to say earlier when we talked about
Speaker 4: the results in Michigan is that outside of Dearborn, Michigan,
Speaker 4: where we have the largest concentration of Palestinian Americans, the
Speaker 4: other constituency that is terribly shaken by watching what they
Speaker 4: see happen on their TV screens over there are young people.
Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about young people concentrated in Michigan.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about young people everywhere around the country. They're
Speaker 4: coming out on college campuses and the neighborhoods. And Justice's
Speaker 4: brother did with the question to say, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: They are acting as a matter of conscience, and young voters,
Speaker 4: let me tell y'all, they ain't stupid. They don't have
Speaker 4: told what to do, when to do, and so on
Speaker 4: and so forth. For them, they are acting as a
Speaker 4: matter of conscience, and they don't believe that conscience resides
Speaker 4: in any one party by itself. They believe that conscience
Speaker 4: resides based off of what you do, from action to
Speaker 4: action to action to action. And so I feel that
Speaker 4: and I just you know, I'm proud that they're engaged
Speaker 4: and involved. And I hope that the President, frankly, is
Speaker 4: able to deliver more than lip service in a state
Speaker 4: of the Union such to the point that circumstances change
Speaker 4: on the ground.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys for submitting all these questions.
Speaker 1: We have one more coming right up after this break,
Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere. We'll see you on the other side. Okay,
Speaker 1: our last question it comes from Akiva.
Speaker 6: Let's see what Akiva has to say.
Speaker 13: Hi, I'm Akiva, say and said, I'm a'ma Southern college
Speaker 13: and we're in an africanis ultilodox class. And our question
Speaker 13: today is how do we convince a single mother who's
Speaker 13: TAKS sixteen hundred dollars client test creator is nice but
Speaker 13: not sufficient for the young man with the felam in
Speaker 13: conviction that the ability to vote or not get him housing, employment,
Speaker 13: or restore his serenity. More importantly, how would you convince
Speaker 13: those of us in college who see mountains of their
Speaker 13: lower waste jobs and higher cost of living that voting
Speaker 13: in this or in election will change the way we
Speaker 13: currently see our futures.
Speaker 6: Well, what do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, what I say is the president should answer that
Speaker 4: and and and through it and and by the way,
Speaker 4: I think we'll have a good answer on a number
Speaker 4: of those of those issues. But I think the broader point,
Speaker 4: and it's well taken, it is that everyday, people who
Speaker 4: go out and cast a vote expecting that their lives
Speaker 4: are going to change, to shift in some really demonstrable
Speaker 4: way as a result of having done so, expect to
Speaker 4: see it happen. And the only the thing I would
Speaker 4: add to it is it should happen. And in truth,
Speaker 4: many of those issues can be addressed through public policy.
Speaker 4: Problem is is that it takes a cooperative house, co
Speaker 4: operative Senate, a president prepared to sign it and go
Speaker 4: to bat for it. And that's just part of the process.
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to walk away thinking that their
Speaker 4: vote didn't matter or didn't count because their their thing
Speaker 4: or one of their things didn't get cured over that
Speaker 4: particular person's you know, time in office just know that
Speaker 4: politics requires the long game, even though elections are every
Speaker 4: two every four or so years. It requires not the
Speaker 4: patience of job we ain't got, we ain't got to
Speaker 4: wait for they long years. Uh, in a process that
Speaker 4: that should be responsive, but it does sometimes take time.
Speaker 4: Don't give up based off of of of of of
Speaker 4: of unfulfilled efforts. It just means apply more pressure. And
Speaker 4: guess what pressure bursts pipes, which is why it requires
Speaker 4: our involvement in the process.
Speaker 6: I love it. Thank you for that, Andrew.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sympt us a little bit, uh and talk
Speaker 1: about politics are everywhere because they are this week.
Speaker 6: Here's the question where's the beef? I might I know
Speaker 6: I'm not the only one to remember my commercial where's
Speaker 6: the beef? Yes? Well, I got beef with Wendy's.
Speaker 1: The fast food giant is expected to roll out serge pricing,
Speaker 1: which is similar to what Uber does, so essentially, demand
Speaker 1: will determine how much we pay for food the A
Speaker 1: spokesperson for the company said this could start as early
Speaker 1: as twenty twenty five, and they're going to be testing
Speaker 1: a variety of enhanced features on digital menu boards like this.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, guys, I do not like this
Speaker 1: at all. Well, this is why, because first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't eat a lot of fast food. But when
Speaker 1: you consider where our people live, I think it's like
Speaker 1: one out of every five black people live in a
Speaker 1: food desert. So it's not like they got a whole
Speaker 1: foods on the corner or fresh produce, you know, around
Speaker 1: the block. And so sometimes their meals come from these
Speaker 1: convenience stores or bodegas or fast food chains. And then
Speaker 1: when you look at the well gap and how that
Speaker 1: packs our people, Black communities are more likely to face hunger.
Speaker 1: And so I think at twenty two nearly twenty three
Speaker 1: percent of black people in this country, in this very
Speaker 1: wealthy country, experienced food and security.
Speaker 6: And so this just to me seems like corporate greed.
Speaker 1: I don't like it at all. I think nearly nine
Speaker 1: million black people cannot have no access to a healthy
Speaker 1: lifestyle restaurant, et cetera. So we were talking about this
Speaker 1: in our group chat, and our good friend doctor Jason
Speaker 1: Johnson said, well, the employees get paid more during those
Speaker 1: those times, and right, it just I don't know, And
Speaker 1: there was some reporting today.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys saw this.
Speaker 1: It was about Family Dollar and they were fined forty
Speaker 1: one point six million dollars because they were storing food
Speaker 1: in places that were rat infested and selling it to
Speaker 1: customers and people knew about it, and they just did it.
Speaker 1: And so this just seems like another way to crush
Speaker 1: our people.
Speaker 6: I just don't like it, do you guys have?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just saying so. The CEO of the
Speaker 4: company says they detest the word surge. They don't mean
Speaker 4: the comparison between them and Uber. In fact, they didn't
Speaker 4: even mean higher prices. I just want the CEO to
Speaker 4: use the word that they preferred was dynamic. They said
Speaker 4: their proposal is dynamic pricing. And I'd like the CEO
Speaker 4: to just use the word dynamic pricing in a sentence,
Speaker 4: maybe a few sentences, so that we could get a
Speaker 4: better understanding of you didn't mean higher prices at different
Speaker 4: times or lower prices at different times, then what is
Speaker 4: what exactly is dynamic pricing? Please? And by the way,
Speaker 4: to Wendy's Twitter, when I used to read it, it
Speaker 4: used to be off the chain, very you know, very
Speaker 4: direct and honest. I don't know what they're saying about this,
Speaker 4: but y'all got to correct this thing real quick because
Speaker 4: I don't know what dynamic pricing means.
Speaker 1: Right, nobody does, and they say it isn't. This is
Speaker 1: according to their spokesperson who told us a Fox UH
Speaker 1: Business reporter AI enabled H. Well, what they say is
Speaker 1: AI enabled menu changes and suggestive selling based on factors
Speaker 1: such as weather. So this is another area where AI
Speaker 1: will influence even our food product. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: it's it's a bigger deal than I think they are
Speaker 1: making it. But Wendy CEO Kirk Tanner announced this on
Speaker 1: an earnings call. So I just want to say I
Speaker 1: do not use it as a sentence.
Speaker 4: Use it in a sentence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's move on.
Speaker 1: I want to take us back to the dirty, dirty,
Speaker 1: the dirty South UH and talk about what is happening
Speaker 1: with these attacks on DEI. I want to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to the good brother Randall woodfin down there.
Speaker 1: So let me first tell you all what the story is.
Speaker 1: So there is a bill that passed in the Senate
Speaker 1: that will essentially kill any DEI funding state funding to
Speaker 1: go to schools, So any de I programs, they won't exist.
Speaker 1: Now take a listen to why Senator Barfoot, who is
Speaker 1: a Republican obviously who says why this is problematic.
Speaker 14: Those offices that would be abolished in this legislation certainly
Speaker 14: are some of the office that we're promoting the divisive
Speaker 14: type concepts.
Speaker 6: So he's saying, DEI is divisive.
Speaker 1: Mayor Randall wood find he's mayor of Birmingham, a Moorhouse
Speaker 1: College alum a member.
Speaker 6: Of Alpha Phi Alpha.
Speaker 1: He said on social media that if state lawmakers passed
Speaker 1: this bill barring diversity, equity and inclusion programs in state's
Speaker 1: public schools and universities, he would encourage parents of minority
Speaker 1: student athletes to select colleges and states where diversity and
Speaker 1: inclusion are prioritized. This is a huge way for young
Speaker 1: people to exercise their power. Andrew, a lot of athletes
Speaker 1: come out of Florida. It's a big football town. I'm
Speaker 1: curious your thoughts on this.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we had like a town but yeah, Firth, good state.
Speaker 4: We have some town mentalities sometimes. But you know, the
Speaker 4: point by Mayor wood Fin is well taken. And we
Speaker 4: know that we know that the self produces a great
Speaker 4: number of athletes. We know what percentage black athletes, black
Speaker 4: men particularly and black women take up in the various
Speaker 4: fields of sport, and it could be used as a
Speaker 4: real leverage should folks collectively decide, you know, decide to
Speaker 4: do so. I would just say the diversity and equity,
Speaker 4: equity and inclusion is becoming a bad word. And if
Speaker 4: we don't figure out a strategy very quick, fasten in
Speaker 4: a hurry to help put into contexts the ways in
Speaker 4: which if you aren't thinking about us, if you are
Speaker 4: not talking about us, then we are not a consideration.
Speaker 4: If we don't call out the ways in which these
Speaker 4: disparities exist and then create ways to close that gap.
Speaker 4: The only thing I can take away from you is
Speaker 4: that gap doesn't matter to you. And that's what these
Speaker 4: legislators are trying to communicate. That gap doesn't matter to them.
Speaker 4: It's never mattered to them when these who came after
Speaker 4: George Floyd. Let me tell you, it of course matters.
Speaker 4: I'm saying for those folks who are putting in place
Speaker 4: like in my state, an end, a ceasing of diversity
Speaker 4: and inclusion programs, funding targeting in that direction, the ending
Speaker 4: and obliteration of affirmative action, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 4: If you don't count it, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: But it matters to them. The reason why they're trying
Speaker 5: to stop it is because it matters to them. They're
Speaker 5: afraid of it. Do you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They are afraid we are so what I'm saying, they
Speaker 4: don't want it because it doesn't as far as the
Speaker 4: priority is there concerned.
Speaker 2: It matters to them.
Speaker 5: And let me tell you how much it matters to
Speaker 5: them that they would go even further in Senate Bill
Speaker 5: one twenty nine further than the Stopwoke Act in Florida
Speaker 5: to expand divisive concepts to include funding and recognition even
Speaker 5: for a black student union, that they would go that
Speaker 5: they would go so far as to say, and this
Speaker 5: I think is consistent with Florida's HB seven that any
Speaker 5: author who expresses that they feel complicit in past wrongs
Speaker 5: because of their identity or historical documents demonstrating historical perspectives
Speaker 5: on race, gender, or class, those readings, essays, books, and
Speaker 5: films would be prohibited. They cannot assign them. They don't
Speaker 5: even want to talk about like slavery.
Speaker 2: What slavery?
Speaker 5: That's just we were all roommates living together, being fed well,
Speaker 5: sleeping well, and sharing the same land, just working on
Speaker 5: it for fas Joe didn't.
Speaker 4: Want to say dow here that if you call a
Speaker 4: person a racist that you can be sue for liable.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I'm what I'm saying is and so if
Speaker 5: I know how frustrating HB seven and the impacts of
Speaker 5: it in Florida have been to you, I'm telling you
Speaker 5: how the BAMA made it bigger. So one of the
Speaker 5: things that my dad has been saying for many years
Speaker 5: is that he is eager to see athletes not just
Speaker 5: when they're existing and making money for the schools in
Speaker 5: the races South Confederate South, but also the schools who
Speaker 5: exist in covert practices of racism even in the North.
Speaker 5: He's like, all of these black athletes need to go
Speaker 5: to HBCUs. This is why he's called for that for
Speaker 5: so many years. Senate Bill one twenty nine is horrible.
Speaker 5: I Mayor wood Finn, you know I reached out to
Speaker 5: you and asked for a video. This is why I
Speaker 5: knew we were going to talk about on this podcast.
Speaker 5: We talked about it on the Breakfast Club. It's major.
Speaker 5: I would love to see the African American mayor's associations
Speaker 5: stand together with him in this The CBC to stand
Speaker 5: together with him in this. For the one governor, we
Speaker 5: got Wes Moore to stand with him in this, and
Speaker 5: hopefully we can get some things move in a different way. Andrew,
Speaker 5: I think you said earlier in another way, but DJ
Speaker 5: Quick said it best. If it don't make dollars, it
Speaker 5: don't make sense. We need to make sure that we
Speaker 5: take our dollars somewhere else because they're not respecting our person.
Speaker 2: That's a remix on doctor King.
Speaker 4: That's real.
Speaker 1: Can I just put into context the dollars. This is
Speaker 1: according to the latest reporting. It's kind of I think
Speaker 1: it's from twenty seventeen, so it's probably more. But about
Speaker 1: twenty six percent of the popular Alabama is black. Eleven
Speaker 1: percent of the students at the University of Alabama are black.
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, about eighty percent of the starters of
Speaker 1: the twenty seven seventeen football team were black. The head
Speaker 1: coach at the time, who you guys know, Nick Staban.
Speaker 1: He was the highest paid employee on campus, earning more
Speaker 1: than eleven million dollars annually. The next three highest paid
Speaker 1: individuals at the university were assistant coaches, all white. The
Speaker 1: football players were not paid, so they are willing to
Speaker 1: profit off our bodies, a very American thing to do,
Speaker 1: but not prioritize our equality and inclusion. Another thing, Angelo,
Speaker 1: to your point about the legislative body and the roles
Speaker 1: that we play. When Scotus struck down affirmative action, they
Speaker 1: made a key exception for the military. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very telling. It's okay to consider quotas as they
Speaker 1: would call it for the military. And I, just as
Speaker 1: we close on this topic, want to say what Justice
Speaker 1: Kontanji Brown Jackson observed, the Court has come to rest
Speaker 1: on the bottom line conclusion that racial diversity and higher
Speaker 1: education is only worth potentially preserving in so far as
Speaker 1: it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other
Speaker 1: underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not.
Speaker 6: In the boardroom.
Speaker 1: So we got a lot of work. Were still in
Speaker 1: the fight. Were still in the fight, y'all, Still in
Speaker 1: the fight. All right, let's take a quick break. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be right back after this break. All right, Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. Native Lampard. I'm kicking it to our
Speaker 1: resident attorney. She's an occasional medicine woman because she sent
Speaker 1: me a care package, but she's gonna put her attorney
Speaker 1: hat on Angela. I you know, I am not as
Speaker 1: vested in this funny case as you. I want to
Speaker 1: know what the ladies is in this case, and I avested,
Speaker 1: but I hate that it's about her. I'm like, is
Speaker 1: he is still the person who broke He.
Speaker 2: Is still the person that broke both the law and
Speaker 2: it's not a whole case. She's not on trials. There
Speaker 2: is a fearing about her conduct. So I want us
Speaker 2: to be very you know, I'm very serious about being careful.
Speaker 6: Well, they're trying to make like that. I have to
Speaker 6: be better with my words and more responsible. This is
Speaker 6: a hearing. She is not on trials. She did not
Speaker 6: break a law.
Speaker 1: It is not the only thing broke. It is to
Speaker 1: see if she can right. You're not sure, Well, they're
Speaker 1: not even. The question isn't even if she broke. If
Speaker 1: she perjured herself, we have a challenge. If she perjured herself,
Speaker 1: we have a significant challenge.
Speaker 5: But nonetheless, the question at hand is whether or not
Speaker 5: Fannie Willis and the Fulton County DA's Office writ large
Speaker 5: will be disqualified from prosecuting Donald Trump and his eighteen
Speaker 5: co defendants.
Speaker 2: It's nerve wracking. You don't want any distraction.
Speaker 5: You want this thing to go forward, because you were like,
Speaker 5: let's just get to the testimony, let's present all the evidence.
Speaker 5: But right now, the only evidence that anybody's considering is
Speaker 5: what when Nathan Wade went to her house for the
Speaker 5: first time, when they started texting, what they were texting.
Speaker 5: That's likely to come up later on this week. By
Speaker 5: the time this pod airs, they'll be prepping for that,
Speaker 5: and apparently Nathan Wade's business partner, Terrence Bradley, was on
Speaker 5: the stand on Tuesday, and right now we're going to
Speaker 5: take a listen.
Speaker 11: That's a simple question, mister Bradley, you're a lawyer. Did
Speaker 11: you lie to miss Merchant when you told her facts
Speaker 11: about mister Wade and missus Willis's relationship, Not.
Speaker 15: That I recall. I don't recall. I mentioned earlier that
Speaker 15: I speculated on some things. I've testified to what I
Speaker 15: did know, so I can't recall whether or.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 11: Mister Bradley's speculation is kind of a weasily lawyer word.
Speaker 4: Let's speak truth here that you're under a the argumented it.
Speaker 4: At this point, you're on a relevant question, mister.
Speaker 6: Brads find the question, mister Russ, mister.
Speaker 11: Bradley, when you're communicating different details of the relationship between
Speaker 11: miss Willis and mister Wade to missus merchant, did you
Speaker 11: lie to her about any of those details?
Speaker 4: Conjection has to answer the life.
Speaker 11: I don't think he's answered you.
Speaker 15: I don't recall ever.
Speaker 3: Whether any of it was a liar or not.
Speaker 5: Okay, So here you have Yeah, here you have someone
Speaker 5: who's under oath. He's trying not to perjure himself. At
Speaker 5: least this is the appearance. I'm not gonna say anything.
Speaker 5: He appears to be trying not to perjure himself. Do
Speaker 5: not recall is normally a safe bet. And at some
Speaker 5: point in his testimony he references the fact that he speculated.
Speaker 5: And this is the thing that I want to say
Speaker 5: to you as a black woman in this country. And
Speaker 5: then I'm gonna put my lawyer back, lawyer hat back on.
Speaker 5: The thing that I want to say to you as
Speaker 5: a black woman in this country is shut your ass up.
Speaker 2: Now back with my lawyer. Had I'm gonna say, you know,
Speaker 2: this is really this presents a real issue.
Speaker 5: You don't want to have someone speculating on your relationship
Speaker 5: and then putting you more in the crosshairs of something,
Speaker 5: creating more of a distraction. And what is I know,
Speaker 5: Fani Willis's biggest trial of her life, Nathan Waye's biggest
Speaker 5: trial of his life. You do not want to be
Speaker 5: the distraction. This is why a lot of folks don't
Speaker 5: take cases like these, because their personal lives aren't above approach.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not, but right now we got
Speaker 2: a little bit of smoke.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you I watched the entire hearing yesterday.
Speaker 4: The brother said in an undisputed way that he did
Speaker 4: not have any personal direct knowledge of when the relationship started.
Speaker 4: So if what we're trying to get to is a
Speaker 4: definitive on the date of when it started in the
Speaker 4: end of twenty nineteen or in January, February or March
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty, he couldn't provide that. So I know
Speaker 4: the records on Friday, go ahead.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Do you know why he was on the stand?
Speaker 4: I do know why he was, understand because he texted.
Speaker 2: Text messages speculating.
Speaker 4: For sure and all.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 4: He should not have done that of course he shouldn't have,
Speaker 4: but he seemed all too eager to want to throw
Speaker 4: himself into that. Now, mind you, this is also a
Speaker 4: lawyer who parted ways with Nathan Wade because there was
Speaker 4: an allegation at the firm of sexual assault or misconduct
Speaker 4: by this gentleman. And so we've had two face to
Speaker 4: face witnesses who have who had put themselves into a
Speaker 4: position of being a fact witness, who both have access
Speaker 4: to grind with the two principles that subject here, mister
Speaker 4: Nathan Wade and of course UH District Attorney Fannie Willis,
Speaker 4: so the only two people who supposedly saw her or
Speaker 4: done anything done. But between these two people are both compromised.
Speaker 4: He was completely and compellingly unconvincing and uncompelling in his
Speaker 4: testimony yesterday. But I have to tell you, I can't
Speaker 4: see why bar bar Georgia attorneys would make statements and
Speaker 4: profit profess before the court and other filings that that
Speaker 4: that they have done something or didn't do something that
Speaker 4: actually can be proved that that occurred and perjured themselves
Speaker 4: and they lose their bar license. I don't know why.
Speaker 4: Three not counting including him, now three bar attorneys would
Speaker 4: do that. So it's just I'm sick of the fact
Speaker 4: that I feel like the judge by going down every
Speaker 4: rabbit hole, exposed every rabbit hole, I think is expanding
Speaker 4: this way beyond the scope that is necessary and required.
Speaker 4: Because doing that, the judge, he's making.
Speaker 5: The decision, but he's being asked by the Trump attorneys,
Speaker 5: And I think that the thing that we have to
Speaker 5: be mindful of is the thing keeps unraveling. The first
Speaker 5: issue at play was whether or not she financially benefited
Speaker 5: from this relationship at all. Then it started to become
Speaker 5: a parent that conflict of interest was even more at play.
Speaker 5: Now there's a third issue beginning to unravel, and that
Speaker 5: is perjury. Yeah, but it is the responsibility of the
Speaker 5: judge to be impartial, to hear both sides and if
Speaker 5: they're like the reason why this took so long is
Speaker 5: because this man got on the stand, said more than
Speaker 5: he needed to say and then tried to rope it
Speaker 5: all back in. It is like, oh, actually, this is
Speaker 5: protected by attorney client privilege. Well, you already exposed yourself
Speaker 5: to violating attorney client privilege by oversharing on the stand.
Speaker 5: There had to be a separate conversation with the judge
Speaker 5: about that they are making. There's a ton of unforced errors.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, y'all, there are a ton of Andrew, you
Speaker 5: and I we are in agreement.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is every door that is open, every
Speaker 4: door that is apparently opened in this case is also
Speaker 4: summarily closed without ever reaching the determination that she had profited,
Speaker 4: that she had conflict, or that the relationship began outside
Speaker 4: of when she said so.
Speaker 2: That's because the evidence is still being presented.
Speaker 4: But every hole they can go down, and that the
Speaker 4: judge allows. He had to allow whether or not a
Speaker 4: phone records are going to come into play here. He
Speaker 4: had to allow whether or not he was going to
Speaker 4: strip the attorney client privilege back to uh uh not come.
Speaker 5: After the attorney violated it on the stand. Though, I
Speaker 5: just I think we need to this judge. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: like you. You very rarely hear me defend a white judge.
Speaker 5: This judge has been very fair. He's been He checked them.
Speaker 5: When Fannie Willis was getting asked and answered the question
Speaker 5: over here, He's like, we've been down this, We're doing
Speaker 5: this with fine.
Speaker 4: He didn't do it yesterday. Yesterday he overrode nearly every
Speaker 4: objection made by.
Speaker 2: H because the guy was not answering the question.
Speaker 4: No, because he was answering it, it wasn't to his satisfaction.
Speaker 4: Maybe it wasn't to his belief And therefore.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just watched his testimony. It's hard for
Speaker 2: me to believe it there was. That's why my.
Speaker 4: Thought I thought he was terribly unconvincing. All I'm simply
Speaker 4: saying is the judge has a complete amount of discretion
Speaker 4: on what avenues allowed that he allows to be open,
Speaker 4: and this man needed to be able to prove that
Speaker 4: he could be a fact witness. Here's sake is probably the.
Speaker 5: Judge is probably being careful now because his contribution to
Speaker 5: Fannie Willis of one hundred and fifty damned dollars is
Speaker 5: now in question.
Speaker 2: Like he hast be okay, he gotta be a person.
Speaker 4: I think we could judge is certainly presenting himself as
Speaker 4: impartial on on on the side of the Trump defense.
Speaker 4: Certainly I think he is.
Speaker 6: He can I well, can I just hop in here.
Speaker 1: I just want to remind everybody that we have Donald
Speaker 1: Trump on asking elected officials to five eleven thousand votes
Speaker 1: while we are going over minutia of this woman answering
Speaker 1: what she could have, should have would have done. But
Speaker 1: the bottom line is these people try to upend democracy
Speaker 1: and that is a very serious charge and a serious issue.
Speaker 1: And when these two started banging old work should not
Speaker 1: be messing up her presenting this case. That should be
Speaker 1: issue in for this man trying to steal an election.
Speaker 6: That's a very SERI.
Speaker 4: Be clear that this act has now become a complete circus.
Speaker 4: What isn't act? Yeah, now become and it is nobody's
Speaker 4: one fault. But I can tell you Fannie could have
Speaker 4: nipped this in the bud. I'm sorry, Da Willis could
Speaker 4: have nipped this in the bud by never having hired
Speaker 4: this gentleman in the first place.
Speaker 1: Given what maybe, but this is where we are, and
Speaker 1: I just I don't want to follow their narrative and
Speaker 1: what she's doing. The narrative is this man is on
Speaker 1: tape asking to find eleven thousand votes. That to me,
Speaker 1: it should always be there is you guys talking about well,
Speaker 1: but you guys talking about this has made me think
Speaker 1: of another case, and that is of Marilyn Moseby. So
Speaker 1: I for those who don't know Marilyn Moseby, the attorney
Speaker 1: the Baltimore DA, former Baltimore DA who brought charges in
Speaker 1: the Freddy Gaate case great case, has now caught a
Speaker 1: case herself.
Speaker 6: I want us to talk about that.
Speaker 1: We don't have time because we're out of time this week,
Speaker 1: but maybe next week or or the week after.
Speaker 5: You guys that I just want to say, just as
Speaker 5: you know, well, I know we're not at calls to
Speaker 5: action yet, but I think we're close.
Speaker 6: Comes to call to action, perfect segue and will kick
Speaker 6: us off call to action.
Speaker 5: Mine is Marilyn Moseby reflected what black prosecutors should look
Speaker 5: like as a state's attorney in Baltimore, and what I
Speaker 5: will tell you is my one ask is that these cases,
Speaker 5: there's two cases that she's caught. As sentencing come draws near,
Speaker 5: that the administ administration, the Biden administration, remembers the discretion,
Speaker 5: the full discretion it has to pardon people who have
Speaker 5: only been out to seek justice. The DOJ should have
Speaker 5: never had her on their target lists. We talk about
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars, and we'll talk more about what this
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars is later, but there's no reason, no,
Speaker 5: she should never spend a day in prison. She should
Speaker 5: not be prevented from practicing law because this should not
Speaker 5: be on her record. Her records should be expunged, she
Speaker 5: should be clear, she should be completely pardoned. And that's
Speaker 5: my call to action this week.
Speaker 4: Well where you know where I would be on that,
Speaker 4: because I think the the the the targeting of black
Speaker 4: elected officials who are impacting in significant ways on society,
Speaker 4: largely contrary to what the governing powers in different cities, counties, states,
Speaker 4: and this nation would like. And they are and they
Speaker 4: and they bring down swift response when they deem necessary.
Speaker 4: And I think this is the case we ought to
Speaker 4: illuminate for every listener out there in every part of
Speaker 4: this country. We ought to be making noise about targeted prosecutions,
Speaker 4: that's for sure.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, all right, So was that your call to actually.
Speaker 4: Oh well, my really was something was said I think
Speaker 4: last week Angelo, we were in that conversation about the
Speaker 4: video and you said, you know they're playing this on
Speaker 4: Fox News and I said, yeah, I know, but I
Speaker 4: don't know because there isn't a conservative outlet out there
Speaker 4: I necessarily listen to because it get hot, get heated.
Speaker 4: I'm going to ask that you all choose to join me.
Speaker 4: Not you too, because you apparently already do, but that
Speaker 4: the listeners if you are like me and you can't
Speaker 4: really tolerate nonsense that we spend ten minutes this week
Speaker 4: deliberately listening to a well known or known about conservative
Speaker 4: outlet and just hearing what is said. Just give us
Speaker 4: ten minutes of it and let's see how we emerge
Speaker 4: from it. I'm gonna do it, and I'll share with
Speaker 4: y'all how I feel. And I'm asking that I not
Speaker 4: be the only one going through this missive that others
Speaker 4: join me in trying to hear an opinion of voice,
Speaker 4: a thought different than their own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you for that. I know we
Speaker 1: said a lot about Marilyn Moseby. We will fill in
Speaker 1: the gap when we talk about this. We want to
Speaker 1: give her the appropriate amount of breath that do this
Speaker 1: case deserve. So please join us. Next week we'll revisit
Speaker 1: this topic because it's a really big deal for us. Andrew,
Speaker 1: I completely respect you, I love you. You know that
Speaker 1: I am a black woman. I grew up Bisueia, Ohio
Speaker 1: and Georgia. I know how conservative white folks think. Enough,
Speaker 1: I don't have a bit of any more intellectual curiosity
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 6: I have lived experience with it, but you know, more
Speaker 6: power to those who want to do it.
Speaker 1: So I try to give a call to action that's
Speaker 1: not really political, and so something that I'm working on
Speaker 1: that has been really challenging for me, and so I
Speaker 1: am inviting other people to do this with me is patience.
Speaker 1: On my way here, my Uber driver was like he
Speaker 1: was a slow driver. He couldn't find my building. You know,
Speaker 1: I was frustrated I was getting here. The people the
Speaker 1: front door were driving me crazy. I was just short
Speaker 1: with everybody. And I think sometimes the universe sends me
Speaker 1: situations to teach me patients, to take a breath, to
Speaker 1: treat other people with grace, and we can easily forget
Speaker 1: about that, you know, when you're in a rush, you're
Speaker 1: trying to do something, and you know, try to think,
Speaker 1: like if this were my mother, how would I want
Speaker 1: someone talking to her? Because or my child, how would
Speaker 1: I want someone talking to them? So take a breath,
Speaker 1: be kind, extend grace to others, and it's kindness is
Speaker 1: free and it's contagious. You know, sometimes I'm in a
Speaker 1: bad mood and I just walk outside my house around
Speaker 1: the block. Uh, and I pet dogs. That makes me
Speaker 1: feel great. But just seeing people smiling at people, it
Speaker 1: can make us all a better community. So just a
Speaker 1: lesson in kindness and patience. And look, I'm a work
Speaker 1: in progress, so that would be my ask. I love
Speaker 1: it some love, kindness and patience. Before we go, one
Speaker 1: quick thing, we have one final viewer question. We won't
Speaker 1: answer it, but just take.
Speaker 14: A quickness able to Chris flow this video submission for y'all.
Speaker 14: Question for y'all, I'll keep it short. Where did you
Speaker 14: get the name Native lamp Podcast? What does it mean
Speaker 14: to be native to you? These people that say, you know,
Speaker 14: off of America. My dad has been from America. You
Speaker 14: know that's not necessarily being native.
Speaker 2: Chris, welcome home. Thank you so much for that question.
Speaker 5: We actually answer that question in our promo recording for
Speaker 5: Native LAMPID, but it's come up so much in questions
Speaker 5: in comments online. People ask about it when we go
Speaker 5: and talk about this show on air. Because of how
Speaker 5: much we've been asked about this, and you all want
Speaker 5: to hear our explanation of Native lampod. We're doing a
Speaker 5: separate mini pod episode that will drop this upcoming Tuesday
Speaker 5: where you can hear all about it and let us
Speaker 5: know how you feel. Make sure that you download that episode,
Speaker 5: you watch it on YouTube, you talk about it in
Speaker 5: the comments, let us know what you think.
Speaker 6: I love that. All right, Thank you to my co
Speaker 6: host for a pact show today.
Speaker 1: Before we end the show, I do want to thank
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