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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Say, it's another edition of Talking Cowboys

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Speaker 1: here from Oxnard, California, as we continue on training camp. Guys,

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Speaker 1: this is episode number five already for us here in California.

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Speaker 1: We've got plenty more to go as we are right

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Speaker 1: around that halfway point of our stay on the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: We've got Rob Phillips, We've got the legend, mister Mickey

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Speaker 1: spag Nola. I'm Kyle Yeoman's why why the laugh? I've

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Speaker 1: just never heard him call the legend by that was great,

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Speaker 1: need to start. I didn't disagree. I've just never heard

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Speaker 1: that as your as your moniker, I usually call the

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Speaker 1: great Rob Phillips or Cowboys insider Rob Phillips, Isaiah's usually

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion, and then heckma's professional football analysts. So

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Speaker 1: I've never make you in there with the legendary Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fames in like three days is something we don't

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Speaker 1: know about. Are you getting the Hall of Fame conducted? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably a little bit awats from that, just a

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Speaker 1: little bit, yeah, I think maybe a tad. But about

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Speaker 1: from here to Canton, Uh, we had a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: I think here in Oxnard, the Cowboys in general, they

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Speaker 1: had great crowds. On hand, I mean, my gosh, the

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Speaker 1: fans showed out in all sorts of groves out here

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Speaker 1: in California, and then the weather was fantastic. But I

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Speaker 1: think most importantly we had some good practices along the

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Speaker 1: way as well, both Saturday and Sunday, wrapping up a

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Speaker 1: span of five practices in six days. Rob, what s

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Speaker 1: took out to you of what you saw over the

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Speaker 1: weekend and what were some of the positives took out

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Speaker 1: of it? I thought there was good competition on both sides.

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Speaker 1: I mean when we had the show a few days ago,

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Speaker 1: the topic was how the defense was dominating, and I

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Speaker 1: thought that without Dak, you know, he's still not throwing

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Speaker 1: in these practices, there are some steps forward from the offense.

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Speaker 1: I think you're seeing some nice connections with Garrett Gilbert

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Speaker 1: active out there. The communication seems good, and I think

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Speaker 1: we've all been impressed with how the defensive line has

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Speaker 1: consistently gotten pressure in these practices. Now they are padded.

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Speaker 1: Mickey brings up a good point that there really isn't

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Speaker 1: a huge threat of the run in some of these drills,

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Speaker 1: so that can help guys get up the field and

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Speaker 1: feel better about rushing. But I think it's been competitive

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Speaker 1: on both sides. It sure would be nice to get

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Speaker 1: Dak back in here, though. I think Dak, coupled with

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Speaker 1: some other injuries on the offensive side, does make it

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Speaker 1: difficult for the offense against this first team defense. Right now,

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Speaker 1: you're missing some receivers. Blake Jarwin not in full team

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Speaker 1: work right now. Tyrant Smith's been held out lately of

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Speaker 1: at full strength, and that's something Mike McCarthy's trying to

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Speaker 1: juggle with this game coming up. Nick, So let's start here.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the crowd. Yes, I found out that they

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Speaker 1: capped the attendance at twenty five hundred. Wow, so pretty

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Speaker 1: other day when I told you I saw one hundred

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Speaker 1: Those people knew they better get in here early. So

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Speaker 1: my PSA for Saturday coming up with the practice against

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Speaker 1: practice starts at three. They probably don't start letting people

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Speaker 1: They're counting heads in the car. So twenty five hundred.

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Speaker 1: They capped it and they closed it on They were

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Speaker 1: would imagine yesterday wasn't much different since you mentioned the crowd,

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Speaker 1: the weather the last two days, this is paradise, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good thing when you're starting to see that

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Speaker 1: really nice job with the defense. All three quarterbacks made

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood field in the golf field, golf field, right, trying.

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Speaker 1: It's my first first time out here. I got to

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Speaker 1: try and step in with this coach lingo who took

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a blitz right, He read the hole and

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to call me a legend,

426
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Speaker 1: you can, but I don't think I'm at that status yet. Um,

427
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Speaker 1: we got some fans on the fifty questions. Let's hit

428
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Speaker 1: that sound or mister Chris Beam fans on the fifty

429
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: as always, Beamer doing great work in the back. William

430
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: Boykins also in the house as well. All right, this

431
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Speaker 1: first question comes from Ernie. It's about the Hall of

432
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: Fame game. Give me one player on offense and defense

433
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: who would most benefit from a strong performance in that

434
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game. Defense? Sure, the first one that

435
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: jumped to my mind is Luke Gifford. I think he's

436
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: made a impression at the backup linebacker spots, and I

437
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: think that he we will get to see a whole

438
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: lot of him. So I think I'm gonna go with

439
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford on defense. Offense, somebody who ends up playing

440
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: that backup center spot, and it might be Forniac can

441
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: help themselves quite a bit if they get the snaps

442
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: right and do a good job blocking. Okay, that's those

443
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: are two really good ones. Offense, I will go with

444
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: Semi Fihoko perfect because we've seen some other receivers kind

445
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: of in our eyes again elevate in these practices. We've

446
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: talked about Malik Turner, h O Cyrus O Cyrus Mitchell

447
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: had a really good day too. I was gonna say

448
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: sorry I talk about him I was gonna say, oh, Cyrus,

449
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: Mitchell to me is a better receiver than Semi Phohoko.

450
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: And I said that even last year. I thought I

451
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: thought Mitchell was a fifth round receiver last year and

452
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: Fahoko I had as like a six or seven. So

453
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: to me, Mitchell needs to come out and not have

454
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: a great day, not just a great day receiving, I

455
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: should say, because he needs to have a good day receiving.

456
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: He needs the show he's as good of a special

457
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: teams player, or a better special teams player than Fohoco

458
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: if he has any remote spot to make this team.

459
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: Because Fohoco has the fifth round at at I guess

460
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: advantage of being a draft pick at over a guy

461
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: like Mitchell. Okay, here's the deal with Mitchell, and then

462
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: the same thing with Turner. Okay, one day we see Turner,

463
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: the next day wears Turner, one day we see Mitchell.

464
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: Now can he continue that? Correct? He's got to be

465
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: you can do it two or three days in a row.

466
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: Consistent though, good yesterday right the day before, wasn't it Turner? Well,

467
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Turner has been consistent. Well, it

468
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: seems like one day, one day one day, Right, You

469
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: got to do it back to back days. You can't

470
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: just flash. And so that's why when you ask the question,

471
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: this game is really important for the lights come on

472
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: and you better be ready to go. Who was the

473
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver that really played well? He was undrafted rookie

474
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: played well in camp? Andy Jones. No, No, that was

475
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: one example. Lance. Lights came on and all of a sudden,

476
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: he's dropping passes and he's disappearing dropping punts, and it's like, Oh,

477
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: where's the guy I saw in practice? So got to

478
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: perform when the lights come on, especially guys that are

479
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: on the fringe, uh in in the preseason games. Yeah. Absolutely. Defensively,

480
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: how about Jabil Cox at the linebacker position. Yea. You

481
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: know he's gotten some second third team reps in there.

482
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not saying he's off to a

483
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: rough start, but there are other linebackers that at least

484
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: jump out at you they're in practice, and he made

485
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: he made a nice play in coverage the other day.

486
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: But he needs the benefit of some of the the preseason reps.

487
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: And I think one of his his deals is as

488
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: an off the ball linebacker. He's great in coverage, but

489
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: he's got a show he can he can be successful

490
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: against the run, and now we're seeing we're gonna see

491
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: some live reps here on Thursday night. And and for

492
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: the sake of not being obvious, man, obviously the other

493
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks need to play well. But a lot of that

494
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I'll have to do with how well is the whatever

495
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: offensive line is playing that they put out in front

496
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, because sometimes you know, if your offense,

497
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: depending on how the Steelers are playing it, if your

498
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: offensive line ain't holding up, that makes life very difficult

499
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: on backup quarterbacks, no doubt. And the Steelers are going

500
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: to bring a pretty ferocious front seven, no doubt about it.

501
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the TJ. Watts, because he's definitely

502
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: not going to play in that game. I'm talking about

503
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: some of the depth they have. They've got really good

504
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: depth up front, and I think the front seven is

505
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: going to be something that is going to challenge this

506
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: offensive line. It's going to challenge this run game. And

507
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: so I think some of those running backs need to

508
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: be mentioned in there as well, maybe a Jaquon Hardy,

509
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: a Rico Doubtle if they want to try and find

510
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: their way onto this roster, because like we've talked about before.

511
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: Taking a heavy assortment of defensive lineman and a heavy

512
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: assortment of defensive backs are very much so in play

513
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: whenever the roster cuts come down. So if you can

514
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: trim down on two running backs of full back instead

515
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: of having three running backs and one of them being

516
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: mostly special teams, that might be one of the places

517
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: that they trimmed down. Later on, sticking with the defensive

518
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: side and talking about those defensive backs, Jacob Rodgers asks

519
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: over under two interceptions for the defense during the Hall

520
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: of Fame game. It's a pretty good one over. Under

521
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: is that the guy from Oxnard Dick failed as an

522
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys offensive lineman. I don't know. I think so, Jacob

523
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: Rogers wouldn't that is no, he just says, an Avid

524
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: Dallas pick at four. Yeah, from Oxnard, California. Yeah, yeah, Uh.

525
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: It's just a fun game, man, under bar games, Mick,

526
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: let's go, they'll they'll hit two. Okay, so you call

527
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: it a wash. Yeah, okay. Everybody gets their money back.

528
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: That's the way make gets it. I'll take the under.

529
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: Maurice Kennedy gets a pick because he's every day he

530
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: gets one, So he gets one Thursday night, oh nice. Okay,

531
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say over just for fun, just to keep

532
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: it different for everybody. So I know that doesn't answer

533
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: your question very well, but that's uh, that's at least

534
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: one that we can we can talk about. We didn't

535
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: mention the quarterbacks. I did, did you? Okay? All three?

536
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I said, because it'll depend on what kind of protection

537
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: they get. Yeah. Yeah, they're at the mercy of their

538
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: offensive line, and we can guess what the offensive line

539
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: looks like. But you know, if the starters aren't out there,

540
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: Oh my d Nucci in particular, yes, like has to

541
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: have close to his hometown. But actually he'll be like ready,

542
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: like actually have a chance to prepare to play more

543
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: than a couple of days like he did against Philly

544
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: last year. So I you know, people, I think some

545
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: people want to write him off based off of that game.

546
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: We'll see. He's gonna have an opportunity and he does

547
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: make some plays out here on occasion when when he's

548
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: asked to lead the team in a situational drill, So

549
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. He had the one yesterday. We've

550
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: already brought it up about the Artavious Lynn drop in

551
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone. That was a fantastic

552
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: play from Denucci to extend out of the pocket, set

553
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: his feet, he made a really nice throw to an

554
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: open receiver, and then Lynn just kind of fumbled the ball.

555
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean didn't even fumble the ball, he just dropped it.

556
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I agree with you. I was

557
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: never wanting to write him off after the Philadelphia game,

558
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: but he has had a really rough camp. I'm talking

559
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: about media, well, I know, but like in general, he's

560
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: got to have a good preason. Well yeah, I mean,

561
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: if not, he's not gonna be around. He's not getting

562
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot reps. You know, even even with dak out,

563
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: he's not sure a ton of reps. And yeah, that's

564
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: a that's a telltale sign though. Sure. No, I mean

565
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: if he makes this team, he's gonna make this team

566
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: as strictly again a developmental guy, you know, but he's Yeah,

567
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: he's got to show something in preseason, no question about it.

568
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: Only if they don't find another quarterback to bring in.

569
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Only what if they bring in a veteran backup? Do

570
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: they keep Gilbert or would they keep Denucci as the

571
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: third guy. It's a great question. Oh, that is a

572
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: very good question. That's preseason will tell the tale. Yep,

573
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: because Gilbert's going to have a have a good preseason

574
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: as well. Okay, I see what you guys are saying.

575
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: If you if you got a backup that has experienced,

576
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: and maybe you look at Denucci as all right, this

577
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: is a de My third guy should be a developmental guy,

578
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: sure right, And Gilbert doesn't fit that mold as a

579
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: thirty year old guy Cooper Rush at this point, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

580
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I think Gilbert is that's without I mean, so even

581
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't even to go with without saying that he

582
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: he's competing against every quarterback in the country, that that's

583
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: that could that could conceivably come in here and be

584
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: a number two. Ganucci needs the show that he's worth

585
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: keeping as a developmental guy exactly, sort of the same

586
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: boat that the Clayton Thorson was in. Um, why do

587
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting Stephen McGee? You know that type of guy. Ye,

588
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: not the immediate backup, but a guy that might be

589
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: my backup. Sort of probably why they were looking at

590
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: Dak when they drafted him. Very much. Hey, it'll be

591
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: the third guy. There was a time when Tony Romo

592
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: was struggling right out on those practice fields, you know.

593
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: And it's not the second time you've compared. I'm not

594
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: making a direct comparison. I'm not doing that. But they

595
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: both came from divisions one double A or whatever. Romany, yes,

596
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: one double A, you know, and he was the the

597
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Walter Payton Award winner for the best player in that division.

598
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: Now you're starting to do it. There are comparisons. I mean,

599
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: they are comparisons on how they got here, right, sure,

600
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: And now what do you do after you're here? Because

601
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, Romo's first second year was pretty rough. Uh,

602
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: and he doesn't make this team if they don't cut

603
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter right here in two thousand and four exactly,

604
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: And he said as much. It's interesting on deep Blue.

605
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: Um moving just asked me. I kind have saved you

606
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, it's true. Oh you are you minimizing

607
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: deep blue? Yea, what we're doing now? It sounds like,

608
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: all right, I just said you should have asked me.

609
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: That's all. Well he shot it on camera. Oh gosh,

610
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: Jake just asked Mick a question. Rob You you'll get

611
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: a chance to answer this too. But do you remember

612
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: a period where the corner room was more deep slash

613
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: competitive than it is now. Yeah, that's probably it's probably

614
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: been a while that they could go uh maybe and

615
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: we think four or five from what we've seen, yeah,

616
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: that they can go four or five deep at this point. Um.

617
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: But again, so four, we're counting on four. I'm not

618
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: sure who the fifth is, you know, if if it's

619
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: if it's uh Diggs, Brown, Lewis, Lewis, Kelvin, Joseph. Okay,

620
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: that's four, right, Kennedy, Kennedy. We'll find out about that one. Five. Yeah,

621
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: at the moment, and he needs and he needs to

622
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: uh and he needs to step up. Any know the

623
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: other guy that has moments that Deontay Burton Burton uh

624
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: sometimes um and then you've gotten a sean right, But

625
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: you know what, since the pads come on, I don't

626
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: think i've seen him touch a ball. He had a

627
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: PBu yesterday he did, Yeah he did, Yeah, he definitely did.

628
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean he hasn't. He hasn't flashed

629
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: the way we saw in nonpadded stuff. Right, I'm not

630
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 1: sure what's what happened. He's a young guy. Yeah, mean,

631
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody got really excited and remember

632
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean he's you know, I think the plan for

633
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: him is just keep developing. I don't think they're expecting

634
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: him to be So maybe going back to that guy

635
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: to question, maybe when you consider those other three guys, Yeah,

636
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot of competition, sure, right, and it's

637
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: good competition. It's not competition that well when I ambody else.

638
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: So somebody's got to make it. And boy, I can

639
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: take you back to the early two thousands. Oh god,

640
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: some of the draft picks they missed off. Just you know,

641
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: it's like make you shake your head. Oh please, don't

642
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: take us back there about you, Rob. I'm trying to

643
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: think back like the last ten years, and I mean

644
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: I would say it's pretty good competition right now, especially

645
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: the way Kelvin Joseph when he's been out there has

646
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: has picked it up, you know, because we didn't see

647
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: him a lot in the offseason. So to me, he's

648
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of the X factor. If he can push Anthony Brown,

649
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, we've got we've got some

650
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: nice competition here. Because the other side is Trayvon Dick's job.

651
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: That's his job. So how how does the rest of

652
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: the group fill out? And you know, Mike McCarthy spoke

653
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: to the the amount of cornerbacks you need in today's NFL,

654
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, I would say it's at least

655
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: four or five that you can feel good about coming

656
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: in and playing a football game. And we mentioned all

657
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: those guys and we didn't bring up Reggie Robinson. Yeah,

658
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: I think normal position. Maybe he needs another year on

659
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 1: maybe practice squad um to continue playing corner uh and

660
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of in a developmental spot, because I think that's

661
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: where he's at right now. If Maurice Kennedy bumps him out.

662
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: You know, I was looking at the safety position and

663
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: I like the Tyler Coyle sure like him a lot.

664
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: But I was sitting there going, if they keep the

665
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: all those veterans and now bringing in Hooker as another dB,

666
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: he gets squeezed, right, and that would be a shame

667
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: because I thought he had a chance to squeeze on

668
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: to the roster. Well, it's just tough because I mean

669
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: they also drafted also to convert him to safety, so

670
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, and in my opinion, Mukuamu's probably a better

671
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: fit for that spot or what they need because they

672
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: need to center field safety and Quamu fits that role

673
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more than I think. I think he

674
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: would be better in the box for sure. They've been

675
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: putting him out at free he hasn't really played a

676
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: whole lot of box, but he would be better. But

677
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: I see him going out there with the second set times.

678
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: Yes he has, so that's encouraging for well. And kind

679
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: of along that same notes, they did a lot of

680
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: shifting and a lot of mixing and matching in terms

681
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: of first and second teams yesterday, and I was surprised

682
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: to see at least the first group out on the

683
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: field which were all ones. I mean I went back

684
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: and charted it all ones along the way and there

685
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: was not Jordan Lewis in the slot. Was Maurice Kennedy.

686
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: So you talked about he went out, Lewis went out

687
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: at times. I'm talking about for the full one, first, second, third,

688
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: fourth down team drill, it was Kennedy at the slot

689
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: and Lewis did go out with the ones. I agree,

690
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: But like I said, they're mixing and matching. We just

691
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: talked about Kelvin Joseph pushing Anthony Brown. Is there a

692
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: chance that Maurice Kennedy pushes Jordan Lewis in the slot

693
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: and maybe looks and challenges for that job. Well, if

694
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: he does that, then some other guys ain't making the

695
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: team because Lewis with his his contract, he's on this team,

696
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: um and and and and so yeah, I mean, I

697
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: guess you could keep him as a special teams guy

698
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: and mix and match as a dime type uh slot guy.

699
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: But that that's some interesting competition going on. And like

700
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: I said, when he missed those couple days in a row,

701
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you better get back out there. Better

702
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: get back out there. And and and you know, the

703
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: safety was position is crowded, right because of all the veterans.

704
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: But every one of those guys they signed, including Malik Hooker,

705
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: are on one year deals, and nobody's got a contract

706
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: that says they got to make the team, right and

707
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: and and I think Kean O'Neill, however you want to

708
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: look at him, he's the only one that got a

709
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: little bit more than the minimum signing bonus you can

710
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: give a guy and keep him on that veteran exception.

711
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: So these guys are expendable there, their signing bonus doesn't

712
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: say they got to make the team. And that includes Hooker.

713
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: By the way, and I don't know how long it's

714
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: gonna take for him to ramp up. He's ptice a

715
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: little bit more out there, but he's doing conditions. I'm

716
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: just saying, just trying to get back to football activities, right,

717
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I bet he doesn't. You know, as soon as he

718
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: gets back into practice is maybe next Tuesday. Yeah, you

719
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be in team drills or at least

720
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: in fundamental drills tomorrow. I don't. I have not, but

721
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and tomorrow's practice is going to be getting

722
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: ready for whoever is going to play against the Steelers.

723
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: So we should get a better idea of who's playing

724
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: and who's not, who's out there that's not on the

725
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: Cards team, because they're gonna be trying to get him

726
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: ready for what Pittsburgh does. And so if he's not

727
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: practicing Tuesday, he's probably not playing against the Rams and

728
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: then they have those two days off. So I think

729
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: as soon as he gets back out there is the

730
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Tuesday prior to the second preseason game, and and we'll

731
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: see if he does that. And if he doesn't get

732
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: in until we get back to the Star, then you know, okay,

733
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: you better get going. Yeah, I mean there's a chance.

734
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: I guess we could see him before we get back home,

735
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: but you know they come back if he's not practicing

736
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: before this game, which you know the day before that

737
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: they leave for Canton. I doubt that's gonna be a

738
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: heavy practice anyway. Now, then you get back and that'll

739
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: be a walkthrough. Yeah, and then you practice against the

740
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: Rams when you get back. You want to throw him

741
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: in for that, so I mean, and then after that,

742
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: you've only got a couple of practices left, so we'll see.

743
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: Mickey's right there, question marks at that position still, and

744
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: we got to remember we're only four padded practices into

745
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: this thing, and it's gonna continue when we get back.

746
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Not to mention the rest of the games, I will

747
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: say Demante Casey has he's made some plays out here, Yeah,

748
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's any question that what Donovan

749
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: Wilson brought last year in terms of physicality and toughness,

750
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: that's something Mike McCarthy wants on his defense. So I

751
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: think he's going to play, and I would think he's

752
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: a starter. We'll see, but that free safety job, you know,

753
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: depending on what Hooker can do when he gets in there.

754
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Up for grabs. As far as I'm concerned, I don't

755
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: know if you can keep both Curse and Hooker. I

756
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: don't think you can. I did a I did an

757
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: exercise last night where I went through and put the

758
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I cut down to the fifty three man what I

759
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: would do personally, and I did not have both of

760
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: those guys on the line of he have to go. Yeah,

761
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: and it might come down to you know, I'm I'm

762
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: assuming Curse I thought when they first, I mean, I

763
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: know he started some last year with Minnesota, right Detroit, Okay,

764
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: so UM had the right division. He did, but maybe,

765
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that Hooker is going to

766
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: play special teams, but maybe that guy has to play

767
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: special teams and and and be able to do some stuff.

768
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: And I think Curse that's how he made his bones initially,

769
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: was on special teams. UM. So yeah, that's gonna be

770
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: That's gonna be an interesting one to watch because bringing

771
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: in and Hooker kind of made the field a little

772
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: bit crowded. And we didn't and I had and I

773
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: assumed Donovan Wilson got one spot. Yeah he's yes, he's

774
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: locked in. And remember you can always put Neil at

775
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: one of those spots too, hanging on how you use them.

776
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: At the linebacker spot, and it looks at linebacker he's

777
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of a matchup guy in special packages, but he's

778
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: more of a box safety if he's a safety. Yeah,

779
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the free safety spot where you're talking about more center

780
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: field coverage, you know, it's you're looking at Kazy and

781
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: maybe Hooker can push him when he gets back out there.

782
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: There were a couple plays yesterday where there were three

783
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: listed safeties out on the field and it was Kazy, Wilson,

784
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: and then you also had Curse out there too, and

785
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Curse was kind of playing a little bit further up.

786
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: So I mean they're mixing and matching. They're trying to

787
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: figure out who fits best where. I mean even Wilson

788
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: was playing a bit of free safety in yesterday's practice

789
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: as well. So still lots to go. I do have

790
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: one more question, any updates on Rondelle Carter and Brent Urban.

791
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: How have they been mixing in and how have they

792
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: been looking to you guys, They've been mixing in Urban

793
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: a lot more. I saw him getting some reps with

794
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: the first team yesterday yesterday, so that'll be an interesting

795
00:42:53,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: one to watch Carter's been mostly second. But you gotta

796
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: remember when DeMarcus Lawrence gets back, then everybody else gets

797
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: bumped bumped down, right, Um, So yeah, because Basham's a starter.

798
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Basham is working as a starter. Um and and so

799
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: and and then you got Armstrong and you start doing

800
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: the numbers and it's like, you know, where are you

801
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: gonna fit an extra guy in? So, yeah, that's that's

802
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: a crowded field right now for him and Armstrong. We

803
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: talked about it at practice yesterday. He is his pressure

804
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: has been good in these in these team drills, um urban. Yeah.

805
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: We up until yesterday, I didn't really see many reps

806
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: for him with the first group. It's been mostly Carlos

807
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: Watkins working alongside Nevill Gallimore inside. But they drafted him.

808
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry they signed him. I would say

809
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: specifically for his run defense. You look at some of

810
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: his metrics where he's been in other spots, and he

811
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: can stop the run. He's got what they talk about

812
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: with size and length. I mean, he's as big as

813
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith. When you look at him out of the field,

814
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: and you know, so you would think, yeah, six foot seven.

815
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: So when when we when we look at that defensive

816
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: tackle spot. I think that's one reason why we haven't

817
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: seen Tristan Hill out there. They placed him on pup

818
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: and if you watch him doing rehap, he's doing everything

819
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence is doing. But I think they look

820
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: at it as m M that that defensive tackle spots

821
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: a crowded field right now, and if we leave him

822
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: on pup, then you know he's got six more weeks

823
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: before you know he would be eligible to start practicing,

824
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: and just hoybe they just say, Okay, we're putting him

825
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: in our back pocket. Uh, to make sure we don't

826
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: have to cut somebody that we don't want to cut.

827
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: I do that with my ir spot and Rob and

828
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: I Fantasy Baseball League all the time. Guy gets healthy.

829
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I've got guys in my spot. I

830
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: gotta leave him there for a little bit. Some playoffs

831
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: coming up. I've lost track of my out somebody, somebody's

832
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt and open up. Yeah, there's a spot

833
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: that'll be opened up later on. It's a nice little

834
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: reserve pocket that you could keep Tristan Hill in and

835
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: not rushing back from injury too, because he's got to

836
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: have a really good year. If he's gonna stick around

837
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: former second round pick. Okay, when we come back, Mickey

838
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: wanted it, Mickey gets it. Do we have a kicker

839
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: conundrum in Dallas? Do we have a punter problem in Dallas?

840
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: We'll see when we come back. We're talking special teams.

841
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,560
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904
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Speaker 1: to talk about it, kicker, Yeah, he was trying to

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Speaker 1: it at all. We have not seen Zerline kick one ball,

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Speaker 1: just go up there and boot it. Uh. He's still

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Speaker 1: rehabbing from his back surgery and I don't know if

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00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: he had something else, but uh, the only two three

912
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: kicks we've seen is nice wander at the end of

913
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914
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915
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916
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917
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Speaker 1: minus eight because of that, because they didn't hit the

918
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: field goal. Three attempts, that's all I seen. One pice. Yep,

919
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Speaker 1: that's one practice. And uh So you know when I

920
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Speaker 1: asked Mike, and you know, does it at some point

921
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Speaker 1: you need to see him kick? And his answer was, well,

922
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Speaker 1: he's a veteran. Uh. And he says, and we've got

923
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: a veteran holder, a veteran snapper. But maybe they're on

924
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Speaker 1: their mock games or working together on it, on any

925
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Speaker 1: of the stuff. I don't know, but we haven't seen it. Uh.

926
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Speaker 1: And you know, you may have a veteran holder and

927
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Speaker 1: a veteran snapper, but they haven't worked together. Nope. So

928
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Speaker 1: and we're assuming when he said that the veteran holder

929
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Speaker 1: has to be anger. Yeah, he's not veteran, although he

930
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: kicked punted awfully well last year and he held awfully well.

931
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Speaker 1: Here's the quote from Mike McCarthy. First, he was asked

932
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Speaker 1: about only it was three attempts in one practice from

933
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: nice wander so far. He said, that's part of it,

934
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: that's just part of the install. Uh. And then he

935
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Speaker 1: was asked about Greg's rline said he's on a time

936
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Speaker 1: That was your question. He said, he's on a timeline.

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Speaker 1: A good thing about particularly the guys being hurt. There's

938
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Speaker 1: a sense in talking to the staff that some of

939
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: these guys we got to protect against themselves. He went

940
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Speaker 1: on to say, you know, got a veteran holder, a

941
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: veteran snapper. He's plenty of time to get that right.

942
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: He's not concerned about the operation. So, I mean when

943
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: camp started they said every guy that's on pop, they

944
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: don't feel like they're that far off. And Tristan, as

945
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, Tristan Hill is probably the furthest away.

946
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: So I think coach Fossil said early in camp too,

947
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Speaker 1: he thinks maybe Greg can get in there in preseason

948
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Speaker 1: at some point. So you'll see maybe two games he

949
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Speaker 1: needs to kick at least one you would like to see, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: get ready for the season. I mean, if you think

951
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: about it, all these years, until Dan Bailey established himself

952
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: as Dan Bailey, we'd sit here and spend half to

953
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: our time in training camp charting kicks right, every one

954
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Speaker 1: of them. And then Bailey has the bad year and

955
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: he was hurt. They bring him back the next year

956
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: and I mean here we were charting his kicks and

957
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: then they did the surprise and let him go. He

958
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: ended up in Minnesota, and now it's like, okay, can

959
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: any of these other guys kick? And we haven't had

960
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: the chart, you know, we hadn't have to go stand

961
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: underneath the goal post and will decide if it's good

962
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: or not. And poor Henry, Henry and a chance because

963
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: that was his deal. He raised his hands. You know,

964
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: one hundred nice Wander last year, twenty six punts. He

965
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Speaker 1: had a forty seven point two yards per punt average

966
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Speaker 1: and as long was fifty eight, he was pretty darn good.

967
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Speaker 1: He was good. Those are good numbers. He was better

968
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: than Chris Jones inside the twenty was there. Chris Jones

969
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: had a nice run here as the punter. But what

970
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: nice Wander did in a limited what eight ten games

971
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: last year was better than what we saw from Chris Jones,

972
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, because he was before his injury. But I

973
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: would say even the year before, I thought he kicked through. Okay, yeah, true.

974
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: From I'm just saying strictly from a production standpoint, he

975
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: was not bad last year filling in. But look, Brian

976
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: Anger has ten years of experience. Yeah, how did he

977
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: fossil last year? Though? Well, I look at his numbers.

978
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: His career numbers are about in line with what nice

979
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: Wander did last okay, and so from an experience standpoint,

980
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: that's obviously what Fossil wants. Oh and and also from

981
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 1: a knowing the special teams kick uh coach because we're

982
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: we're starting he never he never coached him. I mean

983
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: we're starting to see what didn't he kicked for the Rams?

984
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: No he didn't. Okay, No, that was the long snappers. Yeah,

985
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: because it seems like Fossil has a pretty strong voice

986
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Speaker 1: on who does the snapping, the kicking, and the punting. Okay, punting.

987
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: Last year for Brian Anger, he had fifty four punts,

988
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: so about it twice as much as what nice Wander

989
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: had forty six point four, so a little bit less

990
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Speaker 1: than that. He had a long of sixty seven, which

991
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: was much longer than nice wanders fifty eight. Yeah, so

992
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Speaker 1: the long very compresses up your average wants, right, you

993
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Speaker 1: know them Fitch job. Yeah, four years in Jacksonville, three

994
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Speaker 1: years in Tampa Bay, and then two years in Houston

995
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: now here with the Cowboys, and we really haven't seen

996
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: any punting competition either have we No, we haven't seen any,

997
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: and they've usually used the judgment. And here's here's my

998
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: deal on McQuaid. You know, I think the one practice

999
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: they they they snapped. They had the special teams out there, right,

1000
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: they snapped, But nice Wander didn't kick. He just went

1001
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: in there and swung his legs. Right, So we saw

1002
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: McQuaid at least snaps him. Well, I'm telling you he's

1003
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Speaker 1: got to be perfect because one mistake would be one

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Speaker 1: more than LP ever made in his career except for

1005
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Speaker 1: that snapping fraction in Washington. Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm

1006
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Speaker 1: just trying to roll up. And so we haven't we

1007
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: haven't seen him, you know. And maybe they're punding in practice.

1008
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: Maybe they're doing a lot of field goals, I mean games, yeah,

1009
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: mock games, and we don't get to see. We're gonna

1010
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Speaker 1: have to sneak in here, and we can't do that. Say,

1011
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really allowed. But maybe legends can

1012
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Speaker 1: get in there, you know, maybe maybe it's legend. I

1013
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: don't know. That didn't get me to listen to to

1014
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: Dak's car wash interviews. You were still out there though,

1015
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: Oh they kicked out. They kicked everybody out. Mick, don't

1016
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Speaker 1: feel bad, But I was the last one. I went

1017
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: up to Doucy and I said, Deuce, way to ask

1018
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: those questions because you're the only interview I got to hear.

1019
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, um just keeping along with the special

1020
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: teams talk. Who is untouchable from a special team standpoint

1021
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: so far? Because of course C J. Goodwin was one

1022
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: of those guys in the past, Maurice Kennedy has come

1023
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: in and he has played or is he has a

1024
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: reputation of being a fantastic special teams player? Is there

1025
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: anybody that is untouchable from that point? Noah Brown? Okay,

1026
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: Now I think Noah is one of the top four receivers.

1027
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: But in addition to what he's done for years on

1028
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: special teams win healthy. Yeah, I think he's making this team.

1029
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: Maybe Tom's Darien. Is there room for him? But when

1030
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: you back up corner, maybe because he is a good

1031
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: special teams player, But you just talked about all that competition.

1032
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: I know, and Malik Turner Thompson is huh oh, Thompson

1033
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: is a safety guy. Good ones in the corner. Yeah,

1034
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: Malik Turner is a guy they they they brought in.

1035
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, he formerly of Seattle and was more of

1036
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: a special teams guy there wasn't wasn't active for a

1037
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: lot of games last year, but made the team as

1038
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: quote unquote wide receiver because of his special teams How

1039
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: many guys can you keep that have just kind of

1040
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: more of that role as the question we need to

1041
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: bring John Fossil into answer that. I mean, that's it's

1042
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: it's a Thompson with all those safeties and and he

1043
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, I thought the year before when he came

1044
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: in and played safety, I thought he played well. I

1045
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: thought this last year maybe not so much. When they

1046
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: had to bring him in too. I think he started

1047
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: like seven or nine games last year at safety. Yeah.

1048
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: Uh and it wasn't as good. Uh So. Yeah, when

1049
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: you asked the question about, you know, a special teams

1050
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 1: guy that might not that that safety position is getting

1051
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: pretty crowded. Yeah, I during my like I said my

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Speaker 1: exercise that I did yesterday, I think Thompson was one

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Speaker 1: of those borderline guys. I think I kept him around.

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Speaker 1: Though I don't have my sheet in front of me,

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Speaker 1: I left it in the room, But I think I

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: kept Thompson around basically just for special team. Same thing

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00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: with Noah Brown and then C. J. Goodwin was also

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: on that list as well. But I think that that

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00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: helps out guys like Murray's Kennedy. If he's gonna make

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00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: the team and he's gonna be your fifth corner and

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00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: he's one of the best special teams players you got,

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00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a double dip that you could possibly

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00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: see happening, even though it is a crowded cornerback round.

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00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: And it helps out Gifford because probably none of your

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00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: other top linebackers are playing special teams, right Jalen's not,

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00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Layton's not. I would imagine Keane O'Neil's not. Now Parsons,

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00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: I'd put him out there on special teams just because

1068
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: just because he's gonna do something. It's a matter of fact.

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00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: My eye da for him is he's the personal protector

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00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: on punt because I snapping him the ball and let

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00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: him run with let him go a couple of different times.

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Speaker 1: Because you gotta remember last year, Nick wants to play

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00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: him at tight end in the red zone. Last year

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00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: at Penn State, UM, you know they were going to

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00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: use him as the kickoff returner if he had played.

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Speaker 1: I've seen the head coach, is it Franklinton Um. I

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: saw a quote from him saying, had had Michael Parsons

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00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: played last year, we were gonna let him return kicks.

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00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was facetious or not. I think

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: cheek Now, I think he was absolutely telling the truth.

1081
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: He's he's that kind of athlete. I mean, yeah, I

1082
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: mean you just see it out there and and he

1083
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's even the best athlete at linebacker.

1084
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: They've got some really good athletes at that position. I mean,

1085
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: late Manner is his drifts the best athlete on the defense,

1086
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: I think so absolute. Anybody else on that defense in

1087
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: high school run for two thousand yards or played defensive end.

1088
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: Maybe Trayvon Diggs is a pretty terrific athlete, Randy Randy Gregory.

1089
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs is a receiver playing corner. Now right, go

1090
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: get the foot. Do you remember that play when the

1091
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: before the pads came on, they did the scrambled drill

1092
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: and CD takes off from the line of scrimmage and

1093
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: ended up in the end zone. And the guy that

1094
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: was right behind him was Michael Parsons. It's true right then,

1095
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: and they basically started at the same spot. Best athlete

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: on defense is that's a good question. Well if Lawrence, yeah, yeah, no,

1097
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: if okay, I mean, if you're having this conversation now,

1098
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: and it's even a debate that Michael Parsons is possibly

1099
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: the best or best athlete on your defense, right this

1100
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: second man, what is he going to look like after

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00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: he gets some NFL offseasons in him? Think about this.

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Speaker 1: The guy ran a four three ninety, yes, he's two

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: forty six any and then mother guy's gonna run a

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00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: four three five forty Probably not. And if they do,

1105
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Speaker 1: they're doing it at two hundred and ten pounds, So Hannah, yeah,

1106
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Speaker 1: that's good pound for piles. Might be the best, might be,

1107
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: might be that's gonna do it for us. Here on

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys had a lot of fun. We covered a

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Speaker 1: lot of ground, I feel like throughout this episode, and

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Speaker 1: we made use of those extra fifteen minutes. Yes we did,

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Speaker 1: Yes we did. We'll be back without our extra fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes on Wednesday. Oh well, maybe we do. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If coach is talking on Wednesday, he might he may talk.

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Speaker 1: Is are you guys working on Wednesday? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You guys are William Chris. Yeah, on wednesdayman's gonna be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he'd probably be gone, right, Yeah, so he's Oh, I

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Speaker 1: guess we're not working on Wednesday. Oh well, we'll be

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Speaker 1: back after the Hall of Fame game. I guess. Well

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Speaker 1: we might just get on zoom and do a special

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Speaker 1: one for you. Yeah, let's not Yeah, let's not try

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Speaker 1: and make any an unnecessary work here, all right, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next time at some point along down

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Speaker 1: the road. For you for Talking Cowboys, for Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: the legendary Mickey's back. No, I'm Colin Yeoman's for William

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Speaker 1: Boykins and Chris Bean. We'll see you next time on

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys

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