1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: The next morning, I go for a run and a 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: block away I come around a corner and there's twenty 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: fifteen story projects Cabrini Green Housing project. I had moved 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: by mistake, a block away from the worst housing project 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: in America? Is that really true? Yeah? You didn't know? Yeah? 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: So people, you are a smart guy. How did you 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: not know? We came in from the Hasinos from the lakeside? Seriously? Yeah, 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: I mean we had a UHUL behind it. I had 9 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: a couple phone calls and I said, this is thirty 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: three years So that night, I'm sitting on my deck 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: that night, near room. I don't think of this. It 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: was May. It was around Memorial Day, and I thought 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: this must be a patriotic neighborhood this year. 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been a football coach in 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: inner city Memphis. And the last part somehow led to 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: an oscar for the film about our team. That movie's 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 2: called Undefeated. Guys, I believe our country's problems will never 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: be solved by a bunch of fancy people. And nice 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: sus using big words that nobody ever uses on CNN 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: and Fox, but rather by an army of normal folks 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: us just you and me deciding, hey, maybe I can help. 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: That's what Bob Muzakowski, the voice you just heard, has done. 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: Bob accidentally moved into a home that was next to 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: the worst housing project in America, and instead of running, 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: he dug in. 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: He started a little. 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: League for its kids, then intentionally moved into the hood 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: on the West side of Chicago and ended up starting 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: the largest inner city little league in the country. And 32 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: finally he decided that would enough, so we built a 33 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: world class school there called chick Haigo Hope Academy. And 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: on top of all this, this dude is hilarious. I 35 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: cannot wait for you to meet Bob right after these 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: brief messages from our general sponsors, Bob Muzakowski, Welcome to Memphis. 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Good morning. 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you played football, but 39 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: if you did, that would have to have been a 40 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: middle linebacker or full back. 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: With that name moves Zakowski. I can hear people going moves. 42 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: What kind of name is that? Polish? And Uh? I 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: was a tight end and outside linebacker in high school 44 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: when you have to play them alt right, you got 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: to play both waysers, Well, you're only playing half the game, 46 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: that's right. But uh, there's been a lot of good 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: polish by Bronco. Nogirsky was a Bull's fullback and he 48 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: was a great player. Ran hard, and in those days 49 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: the goal posts were in the front. So it's fourth 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: and eight. They give it the Bronco breaks three tackles 51 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: and slams into the goal post right and spins in 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: the end zone. He staggers back to the huddle and 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: everybody says, are you okay, Bronco, and he goes that 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: last guy hit me really hard. Got to be a 55 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: polish joking. Yeah, So Bob. 56 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: This we could literally sit here for much longer than 57 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: we have, hours and hours and hours. 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: Your story is phenomenal and to unpack it all and 59 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into it. But first, just I 60 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: think it's cool. Just kind of tell me where and 61 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: how you grew up. So I grew up in Bayona, Jersey, 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: which is actually the closest point to the Statue of 63 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Liberty in New York. The statue is actually closer to 64 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: the Jersey side, so I actually watched out my bedroom 65 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: window as the two towers went up. The twin towers 66 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: went up, and then on September eleventh, we watched them. 67 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: We all watched them come down. You're kidding. So Bayone 68 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: blue collar town, a lot of veterans, exon a lot 69 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: of dock workers. My father worked at Westinghouse factory in 70 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: Jersey City for thirty one years. Died when I was nineteen. 71 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: They beat the Germans so that they couldn't beat the 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: cigarettes and the boosh, you know. So anyway, my neighbor, 73 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: this is Bayone. Chuck Webner was the new Jersey state champ. 74 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: I think Chuck was like twenty six and ten boxing, yes, 75 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: and between Ali flights Fraser fights, Ali wanted to tune up. 76 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: So he fights the Bay One bomber, Chuck Webner, who 77 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: knocked muhammed a Leid down in the eighth round, went 78 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: the distance, got about sixty stitches, but went the distance. 79 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: And Sylvester Stallone so the Webner Ali fight and wrote 80 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: Rocky in three days, you're kidding. The bail guy shopd Webner. 81 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: Stallan saw that fight in Cleveland and and wrote Rocky. 82 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: He was the he was the the it was ration 83 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: behind rock He was a liquor salesman and was a 84 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: good boxer, but you didn't get paid enough. Then he 85 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: was your neighbor and there were five guys on my 86 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: block that could beat up Chuck. Are you so it 87 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: was that kind of neighborhood. I know that was a 88 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: classic bal So if you google the bay O one bomber, 89 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: Chuck Webner, Rocky So and still Loan made a fortunate 90 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: and but and you know would be fair. The Rocky 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: stuff was great. It made hundreds of people go work 92 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: out and get in spot whatever. Who didn't go for 93 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: a run, not to the Rocky So you're gonna fly 94 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: now and the whole thing. But that is so you 95 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: so you know this? So Webner, I saw that a 96 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: Yankee game maybe five years ago when I was in 97 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: New York. He's still around. Yeah, Chucks, what gott to 98 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: be mid seventies maybe late seventies. So he would say, 99 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: he said, uh, he was on Johnny Carson two days 100 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: after the fight, all banged up, and Johnny Carson says, 101 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: Chuck looks pretty rough. He goes, I get it worse 102 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: a night out with the boys. I would have kicked 103 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: his in a phone booth. So that was bad. That's 104 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: where I grew and I went to All boys Catholic 105 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: School Marist. I had a scholarship there, played football, bass, 106 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: was captain of all the teams. And I had a 107 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: great experience growing up in the Catholic system. You know, 108 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the priests didn't abuse anybody. And 109 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: it's not everybody. It's great people. And the priests and 110 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: the nuns that taught me, they taught for forty years 111 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: for they didn't get paid. Right. So now in Chicago, 112 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty Catholic schools have closed in the 113 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: last fifty years, and the gangs filled avoid of the parish. Wow, 114 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: parish was a good thing. That says a lot. Yeah, 115 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: and everybody, you know, it worked, the Catholic school system 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: when the urban poor were white, the Germans, the Italians, 117 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: the pole they saved millions of us and it worked 118 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: and everybody went golfing in the suburbs. They forgot where 119 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: they're from. So uh oh, say that again, that's really 120 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: interest the school system. Dagger John Ughes in New York 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: City was He's buried at Saint Patrick's and not many 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: people are. And they called them dagger John, because he 123 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: signed a big cross that looked like a dagger. There 124 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: is a priest, an Irish priest, and he went to 125 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: the mayor of New York City and said, why won't 126 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: you let the Irish Catholic kids and your Protestant schools? 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: And the mayor said, because you're a disease ridden, filthy, 128 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: violent animals. So John Hughes says, well, give me some 129 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: money and I'll educate the Catholic kids. And the mayor 130 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: had a security throw John Hughes down the stairs of 131 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: City Hall in New York City. And then John Hughes 132 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: that afternoon started the Catholic school system in New York 133 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: Saint John's Fordham. All these wonderful schools and all privately funded, 134 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: not a government nickel, but the teachers taught for free. Now, 135 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: there's not many duns and brothers and Jesuit priest around, right, 136 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: And so the math of it didn't work right. But 137 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: it isn't fair because at this point I asked all 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: the time, should faith based Christian Catholic schools be only 139 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: for rich kids? I'll ask you that obviously not. Should 140 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: they are, Should they be racially segregated? No? But they 141 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: are if you look at a picture of except for 142 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: the guy who runs a four or five and conduct. 143 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: That's true. Everybody's got a couple. They got Jamal and 144 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Tyrone out there. Man. So but so we started, let's 145 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: I'll get into our school later on when we talk 146 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: about that. But it's just not right. And so the 147 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: Catholic school system America did a great chat. Think about this. 148 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighteen a constitutional amendment past called prohibition banning alcohol. 149 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: Whether it worked or not doesn't matter, but that was 150 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: because of the Irish in Boston, New York, Chicago. The 151 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: family starve and the death and the guy's drunkly in 152 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: the street with is bending his whole paycheck. And that changed. 153 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: The Catholic school system changed every time. I don't know 154 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: how strong it was down here in Memphis, but I'm 155 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: sure there's some good Catholic schools here. No, it's actually 156 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: still pretty strong. Yeah, And so that's the why I went. 157 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: So I went with a thousand boys, had a great 158 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: experience there, and then my other was dying of cancer. 159 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: I had offers to play at Villanova Rice. I visited. 160 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: First time I ever heard people say y'all all better. So, 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: but I have forty five minutes away from Columbia University 162 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: in New York City, so we were training the bus. 163 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: So I went and played at Columbia, trying to turn 164 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: the program around. I was in a powerful four five 165 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: and one team, which for Columbia is pretty good. And 166 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 1: so look, I go to a school and half the 167 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: school looks like Woody Allen. So how are you going 168 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: to be good in football? Right? My classmates, listen to 169 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: my my graduating class school looks like Woody. Here's my 170 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: here's my class, Obama graduate. He transferred into the sophomore 171 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: from Occidental to Columbia to general studies, so he was 172 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: he came in as a sophomore. George Stephanopolis from Good 173 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: Morning America wrestled. These are all my graduating class Obama. 174 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: Stephanopolis McGreevy, who was a governor of New Jersey and 175 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: left his wife or a guy a clumb University is 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: like a noble thing because he found So this guy 177 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: is on the Jersey shore. He's governor of New Jersey 178 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: and is making out with a guy on the lifeguard 179 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: stand and a dumb sover and breaks his leg and 180 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: that's how he kind of got out. It. I wouldn't 181 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: do that in high school man with my girlfriends, like, 182 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: that's a right true story. Couldn't make this up. And 183 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: then Patterson replaced Elliott Spitzer. He was an African American 184 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: partially blind guy. Because I remember I ran the columb 185 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: University pub. Drinking age was eighteen. Great job for a 186 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: future alcoholic, right, running the school pub, and Patterson would 187 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: be reading a book at a picture of Heineken in 188 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: the corner of the bar. We had cheap trick and 189 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: live bands. I mean it was mommy's all right, that 190 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: is this university's pub, five hundred people and he's reading 191 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: a novel in the corner, drinking a picture Heineken. And 192 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: he became the governor New York. Great guy because Elliot 193 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: Spitzer got out and he was next to them. So 194 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: that was there's a classic Columbia, right, blue collar kid 195 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: from New Jersey hanging out with people like all kinds 196 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: of people this culture shop. Yeah, I didn't even know 197 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: it was the Ivy League. So I got recruited to play. 198 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: So he had no idea and I didn't have to play. 199 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: So and then Columbia was five that my son just graduated. 200 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: Two of my boys just graduated. I got a lot 201 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: of kids. I missed that bird control section of the 202 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: vib I was not in there. If the good guys 203 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of kids, maybe we can change this thing. 204 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: I tell my kids and all his students and everybody up. Coach, 205 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: make more good people dealing with your best friend. So so, 206 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: so here I met Columbia, and I remember this. Uh 207 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: it's freshman orientation. We're sitting in a room and you know, 208 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: forty of us on our floor, and you talk. You 209 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: have to introduce yourself. And a guy before me is 210 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm Chauncey Phillips, the third My father was captain school 211 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: watch team at Yeah, and Bubba and I said, I'm 212 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: bubb musa Cali. I'm from Bayone and that's in France. 213 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: You've probably never heard of it because it is named 214 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: after Bayonne, France. So but you know, you fake it, 215 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: so you make it. And if you got in my 216 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: teammates football, you know the dumb guys are smart Columbia, right, 217 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: So my teammate Pomer played football and running back and 218 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: he's like the best cardiovascular surgeon in the world. Maybe, right, 219 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: And so a lot of guys went on to do 220 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: really well so uh, and a lot of people quit football. 221 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the If you start with 222 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: fifty freshmen and I think fourteen of us finished, a 223 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 1: lot of the kids finish school. But it's pretty hard 224 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: to go to school and put four hours into football, 225 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: and it's hard to do it any school, much less Ivy. Yeah, 226 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: and freshman year I played baseball too. I'm giving you breaks. 227 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: In the classroom, I wouldn't say they hated us, but 228 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: there was a little anti jock thing going really. Yeah, 229 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: we were the jocks, were the dumb guy, the stereotyped 230 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: dust right. So fortunately we had Barnard College across the street, 231 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: Fashion Institute of Technologies, a lot of others school that 232 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: would come visit us, so you'd graduate from Clumbia. Yeah, 233 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: And then I was admitted to a joint program business 234 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: in law school, which is a prestigious thing at the time, 235 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: And that summer I got yeah, and I got a 236 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: job working for Mayor coach right that summer, and so 237 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: I ended up taking my MBA. But I didn't finish 238 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: law school, and I went to work for the city 239 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: under Mayor Cooch, who was a phenomenal guy. Right. I 240 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember him, bigh so Cotch looked 241 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: like Frank Perdue the chicken, Yeah right, only only six 242 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: six three hundred with Frank Perdue's face, right, remember that. Yeah, 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: So he was he just loved the city with a passion. 244 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: Single guy. I don't know what people would say it was, 245 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: but I never saw a pretty good gaitar and I 246 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: didn't see that on him. But yeah, he was just 247 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: a riot Mayor Coch and he loved his city and 248 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: he was handed from and at that point it was 249 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: fear city. Remember the movie Death Wish with Charles Bronson 250 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: that I was about saying. At that time, New York 251 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: would add on Columbia, we lost a kid or two 252 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: every year student, you know really yeah, crazy from to 253 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: shot or stabbed to death. Because the Columbia's and Harlem 254 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: right now, it's a giant Starbucks. It's like the safest 255 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: place in America. So you I remember that these guys 256 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: were playing football in the middle of the campus and 257 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: this young African American guys running by say hit me. 258 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: So the kids threw him the ball. He caught it 259 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: and just pulled kept going right. He caught the ball 260 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: and bull Stride was gone. That was just classic. We 261 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: used to have to again or the locks on our 262 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: cars right because of my battery got stole stolen monthly 263 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: out of the car and people were killed. So then 264 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: came Juliani, Well, hold, let's go about what did you 265 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: do for uh mayor car I was in labor relations, 266 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: so we we probably might have saved the city of 267 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: New York. A bunch of guys at Columbia Business School 268 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: and Frank Hablichak and Professor Ray Horton started a thing 269 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: called overtime equalization with the unions because guys were bankrupting 270 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: the city. When you're sixty five, you worked, you get, 271 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: you get like sixty percent of your last year's pay, 272 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the guy's getting all the 273 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: overtime his last year making two on a grand. Yeah 274 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: he's going to get one swan. He's a fireman, right, 275 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: So we started overtime equalization where they have big son. 276 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Now it's all computerized, but you had a big board 277 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: and nobody could get sixty hours ahead of anybody else, 278 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: so the old guy couldn't load up. And it saved 279 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: the city hundreds of millions of dollars and pension over 280 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: you know. It was a bunch of guys in a 281 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: case of beer at Columbia Business School doing that, and 282 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: so so we I was like there, Columbia whiz kid 283 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: with an NBA. I'm twenty six and I'm playing rugby 284 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: at that point for Old Blue couldn't play football. They said, 285 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: why didn't you play play pro football there? Because the 286 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: other guys were better than they were bigger. There was 287 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: only one reason we played Rutgers in the Meadowlands and 288 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: that and they beat us like forty seven to seven, 289 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: and we were three and one at that time, and 290 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: it was the first college game in the meadow Lands 291 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: and uh, and all of a sudden, may be Tennessee 292 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: the following week. Rutgers was starting to get good, right, 293 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have been playing us, And everything was 294 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: just happening a little bit faster. Everybody's just like, you know, 295 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: if you were blocking down on a guy who's gone, 296 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: you couldn't get to him at time, like chop legs. 297 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: But it was great fun, you know. And so uh, 298 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: I was working there playing rugby for the Old Blue 299 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: really competitive rugby blosus in the National Championship a couple 300 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: of times. Rugby is a great game is one of 301 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: the fastest growing sports in America. We have a thing 302 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: called mephis inner City. Yeah, they've been up and visit 303 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: at Chicago. Oh yeah, okay, well we went. We played 304 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: saw them in Washington, d C. Last year they played 305 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: in a tournament with Yeah. 306 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: But and yeah they It is not only a great game, 307 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: but they are turning inner city kids. 308 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: We want to stay championship. It's rugby has gotten professional now. 309 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: There's a new league about five years old, and the 310 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: Hounds in Chicago practice at our place. So if you 311 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: wonder why United State He's loses to New Zealand and 312 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: South Africa for fifty to nothing in rugby, it's because 313 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: they're getting paid and we're not. Now you're starting to 314 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: pay our guys. We'll get good just on the table 315 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: and we'll so so and it's just a great game. 316 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: You know, you don't dance when you score. He handled 317 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: ball to the rough. I act like you scored before. 318 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna make up some dance where the Bears 319 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: guy is mocking the fans and he misses the last 320 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: play and we lose the game. I don't know, or 321 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: you blow your knee dancing. Yeah, so that also happens. Yeah, 322 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: so it's just a really great and the home team 323 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: is required to feed, host and feed the visiting team 324 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: every game, and that is magical. 325 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: I had a friend that was from Liverpool in college. 326 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: Actually he was he was skid studying at his doctorate, 327 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: believe it or not. I played a little football and 328 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: all that, and then actually I hurt my shoulder and 329 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: I played soccer right, And he used to say that rugby. 330 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: He would say that soccer is a gentleman's game played 331 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: by Ruffians and rugby is a ruffians game. 332 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's you really see a fight. Sometimes you 333 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: see a fight, but rarely a fight in a rugby game. 334 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: Really is a big changing thing in my life. 335 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. But 336 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: first I hope you'll follow us on your favorite social 337 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: media channels, where we share more powerful content, including reels 338 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 2: from our video studio and testimonials from army members. We're 339 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: at army of normal folks on every channel. Give us 340 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: a follow, We'll be right back. 341 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: So I'm playing rugby. To me, I never smoked pot, 342 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: never smoked a cigarette. Like my father died from lung cancer. 343 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: Three packs a day. Chesterfield king. It was thirty cents, 344 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: and he'd always give me fifty, so I knew I 345 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: had twenty cents for candy. It's great incentive bringing home cigarettes. 346 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: So I but I was when I was in business school. 347 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: When I was in I was a senior in college. 348 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm running the pub. So it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday night 349 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: till three in the morning, and a guy comes up 350 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: to me and says, you look tired, man, try this 351 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: art hungsuckle. He's sober now, so he wouldn't mind me 352 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: saying his name. He was at Prince from Taiwan, and 353 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: he had cocaine. I never knew. I never took hardcore 354 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: dro so I tried it, and I went home and 355 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: studied right, And this is from four to six am. 356 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: And the next night he was by. I tried it again. 357 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: And the third night he said, hey, it's a cheaper 358 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: if we get a lot of that. So I had 359 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: to run with you. Yeah, and I didn't, you know, 360 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: I picked what, you know, just suck it up. How 361 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: could someone be an alcohol ark or addict? Do we 362 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: start doing that? I mean, it's just it's hard to 363 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: stop it. So I wouldn't do it for a month 364 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: but when I was a streaky guy like that, but 365 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: I would go out on Thursday night, you'd see me 366 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: on Sunday, so and we had all this creative stuff. 367 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: We had a sippy cup, like you know he'd give 368 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: to your kids or your grandkids so they don't spill 369 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: their drink. We'd crush an ounce of cocaine that which 370 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: is that's prison time, right, and I'd have it in 371 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: my car with the sippy cup. So if I ever 372 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: get pulled over, the cops are never going to think 373 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: this cocaine and a sippy cup. You're hitting me and 374 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to work for the mayor banging up? Are 375 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: you serious? Because the drug is a stimulant, so it's 376 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: not like a pot guy or drunk who's staggering around. 377 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: You're actually on top of it, right, So yeah, it's 378 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: kind of expensive. Yeah, And that was my bay only thing, 379 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: wanting to act like a big shot, you know, because 380 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm now I'm working making money with the city, I'm 381 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: running a club three nights, I'm making money and acting 382 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: like a big deal all that. And that was when 383 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: I made a searching and fearless moral inventory, which is 384 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: the fourth step and a na it was all about that, 385 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: trying to act like a big shot. Right, So hold it? 386 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: Can I just make sure I heard what I just heard. 387 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: You've got cocaine in a child sippy cup, working for 388 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: the mayor and running a club, doing life in New 389 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: York in your late twenties, and playing rugby, playing hard rugby. Yeah, 390 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: so that sounds pretty mong Yeah. So the great thing 391 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: about rugby there's usually three or four sides. So if 392 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: you're not on the A team, the other somebody has 393 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: a B team, the other team and your second string 394 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: and third thing. So I played the game was better 395 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: at that than football. I mean concussions and people say, oh, 396 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: you don't get concussions and rugby because you hit with 397 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: your shoulder. That's that's assuming the guy doesn't move. My 398 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: job was to go get a concussion, and when you 399 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: got one, they put you next to the keg right. 400 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: That was that was that was question produce what was 401 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: what was the saying he got his bell rung? He 402 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: got it right there? It is so so I'm not 403 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: condoning this behavior. So I'm on the sideline, finish my game, 404 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: got the sippy cup, and a guy gets old you're 405 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: hanging out with a concussion by the keg and you 406 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: got your sippy cup well, because you probably need to 407 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: wake up a bit because I have to run the 408 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: club that night. Right. So this guy is thrown out 409 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: of the B side game for fighting, right, and somebody 410 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: says to me, that guy's a priest, so I go 411 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: over with my sippy cup. It's bj Weber, the Shepherd 412 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: of Times Square, evangelical pastor in Times Square in New 413 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: York City, and he played rugby. He just moved from 414 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: Iowa where he played rugby and it came to christ there, 415 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: picked up by a Trappistine monk. So I offer him 416 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: phissippy cup. He turns me down and it gives me 417 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: a business card. Bj Weber Lamb's church one thirty West 418 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: forty fourth Street and dares me to come to his church. 419 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: And the next morning, with a brutal hangover, I go 420 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: to this church, right, and people are calling for a 421 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: fair catch when they're singing, and there call in the 422 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean they were singing, they knew the words, and 423 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: they were into it. And they were homeless people, middle 424 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: class people. Everybody was there. Hold it. They were calling 425 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: for a fair catch. Where that's hilarious, But at this point, 426 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: I've never been in a non Catholic church. 427 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: So oh yeah, you're using to this, yeah, Neil down, 428 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 3: stand up man, And I'm not saying that was bad. 429 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: So uh so, And after everybody eats, they put up 430 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: tables and chicken and all these people. And I'm like, 431 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: there's this guy who smells really bad sitting next to 432 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: a family with their three kids. And this is how church. Now, 433 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: I know, this is how church is supposed to be, right, 434 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: So don't tell the rich man come and have a 435 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: good seat and till the poor man sit over there 436 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: somewhere in Matthew So I uh, I started to go 437 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: to this church and work on one night a week. 438 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: And I'm still doing my jack one high thing, right, 439 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: but I'm going to the church and I get invited 440 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: to the presidential prayer breakfast by bj Weber and those 441 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: guys in Washington, d C. Why because they're the lamps. 442 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: They're like this cutting edge in New York City church. 443 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: And I've been working on Wednesday night with the youth group. 444 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: You know who I's working with, Mike de Toronto and 445 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: Denny Rule. And Denny Rule had a little kid then 446 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: a little five year old Matt so Matt Ruhle head 447 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: coach in Nebraska. Who we're kidding. He's running around at 448 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: the Lamb's Church on forty fourth Street when he was 449 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: a little boy. So he was born in series rule 450 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: was born in New York City, no kidding. And he 451 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: turned around Temple, he turned around Baylor, and then he 452 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: did a year in the Pros, which he can't turn 453 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: the stuff around because he'll tell you what to do, right, 454 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: it's all about money. And now I was on Nebraska 455 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: and he still goes and has dinner at people's houses 456 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: when he's recruiting kids. Was just a wonderful. But his 457 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: dad was a key guy. Whoever I'm still in touch 458 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: with at the Lamb's Church, assistant pastor. So I got 459 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: when I get down to DC, and I didn't realize 460 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: this prayer breakfast is a big thing at that Hilton 461 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: and they have that mother Teresa speak and it's a 462 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: massive thing. Yeah, it's Bowler. Now they've tone it down 463 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: because of Biden and them didn't want to go to 464 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: it because they might ask hard questions. Right, Catholics for 465 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: abortion anyway, So don't get me started. He doesn't have 466 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: a filter. No, we want no filter. So I say, 467 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: give me my ticket, I'll meet you guys there. So 468 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: I go out somehow I end I went to dinner 469 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: with an old girlfriend or her husband, which is so stupid, right, 470 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: that's weird. Yeah, and I end up in College Park, Maryland, 471 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: at a big bar with big bouncers at it, and 472 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm wondering why do they have all these bouncers? And 473 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: now I'm are you here to go to the Prayer 474 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: brother prep breakfast the next morning? But You're don't get 475 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm just following along, like I'm not an alcoholic. I 476 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: just go drinking at a bar where I don't know anybody, 477 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: in a city where I don't know anybody. Right, of course, 478 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: that's don't everybody. I didn't have it, Okay, this is important. 479 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: So I a fight breaks out, and all of a sudden, 480 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: the bar gets packed. It's College Park, Maryland North Carolina 481 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: basketball game across the street. I want to why do 482 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: they have these big bounces because the bar is going 483 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: to get packed. So somebody's this kid stole a long 484 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: hair tattooed up kids, stole a purse, and the bouncers 485 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: grabbed him and they were holding them on the ground. 486 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: I saw this one bouncer kicked the kid in the 487 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: face once and the second time, I just it wasn't 488 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: even my fight. He was going for the kid's face 489 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: and I just nailed them right. Why you felt sorry 490 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: for the long hair to hit again? And I had 491 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm spider Man after ten dricks kind of save everybody, right, 492 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: So I nailed him and the other guy bounce and 493 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: breaks a Heineken bottle goes from my face and I 494 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: catch it. He puts it right through my hand, so 495 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: I got the bottle stuck in my hand. The broken bottle. Yeah, 496 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: and I hammered his face with a you know, the 497 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: heavy beer mug. It's got some serious and I hit 498 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: him perfect. So his face is on the other side 499 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: of the room. The other guy I gotta hunt. I'm handcuffed, 500 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: assault would intend to main, malicious destruction of property and battery. 501 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: Did you not explain everybody you were just taking up 502 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: for the kid. Yeah, I did it, But they and 503 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: in court later on. There were fights in that bar 504 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: every night, and those bouncers were always in some stuff 505 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: like they were looked gunning for. You're supposed to be 506 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: a protector, not the aggressor. Near the bouncer. So anyway, 507 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: I'm locked up, and two days later I get a 508 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: phone call. Buddy in New York calls BJ. Here. They 509 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: come and bailed one hundred thousand dollars bell I had 510 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: and this is what this is eighties, so that'd be 511 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Now he gets a lot of money. 512 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: Then when you see a guy in a hot right 513 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: after a fight and he's got it looks a lot 514 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: worse than it is. In a couple of days. It's 515 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: not so bad, but right after the fight you got, 516 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: so it's like Chuck Webner, right, give it a week 517 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: to cool that. So BJ bails me out with Brad Curl, 518 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: who played at Oklahoma, spoke French and was a beautiful 519 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: artist and he had an art gallery in Washington, d C. 520 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: So much for all Christian guys being born right the 521 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: plays for Oklahoma, speaks a lot of different languages and 522 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: as an artist, right and Pat Rowayne, a Catholic guy, 523 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: they come up with the ten thousand bucks because when 524 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: you bail someone, which I've done many times, you need 525 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: to pay ten percent cash, which is a big topic 526 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: right now because a lot of people don't have the cash. 527 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: So basically, the poor black kids can't get out, and 528 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: if you have money, you can get out, right, So 529 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: that's a whole nother argument. Usually when you're in there, though, 530 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: you're not in there because you didn't do anything. So 531 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: they bail me out, and I pray to receive Christ 532 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: outside of Prince George's County jail, which is a rough jail. 533 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: BJ and these two other guys, Christian guys bail me 534 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: out of jail, and they pray with me. Brad Curl 535 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: says to me, when I get out of here, he 536 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: hugs me, big guy Barro, Yes, you remind me of Paul, 537 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: And I said, Paul, whose right? So? But you know, 538 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: if they were praying to bog one, you bail me 539 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: out of jail, I'm probably going to go your Wayn't 540 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: they right? So but I prayed with them, and then 541 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: we drove back to New York and I get back 542 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: in my apartment and my drinking party buddy, Dave Vidello 543 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: calls me up and says, hey, let's go meet tonight, 544 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: and I go. I got a court case coming for 545 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: some bouncers assault charges in a bar. I'll quit drinking 546 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: and all that. He goes, don't meet me tonight, so 547 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: I meet him at seventy ninth Street and LEXINGTONA. I'm 548 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: in New York City. Wait, I know it sent me 549 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: out and love, I know that. Yeah, it's a. It's 550 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: there's a meeting. I don't know there's still meetings. It's 551 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: ana Aamy. So I pray to receive Christ in the 552 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: morning in Washington, and that night, by mistake, end up 553 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: in an AA meeting with my old drinking buddy who's 554 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: still sober today and I keep in good touch with 555 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: so I got sober and said this time sixty five. No, 556 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: at this time when I did that twenty eight? Okay, 557 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: at twenty eight, twenty nine? Yeah, So anyway, did the 558 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: questions get harder as we go along? No, there's your 559 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: more fun. So, so how old are you even? I 560 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: remember that we will be right back? So so I'm 561 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: twenty eight. Yeah, but I mean, given everything you've told 562 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: us so far, yeah, I packed a lot in there. Yeah, well, 563 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: I mean I guess, but think about what was it 564 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: sitting in jail that woke you up? Yeah? One phone 565 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: call because they came up that you know, the doctor 566 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: didn't even give me anything. They pulled the thing out 567 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: in the jail doctor sold me it was great, Right, 568 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: that came out really nice. Can you imagine if that 569 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: was on your face, you'd have to make up a 570 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: really good story, you know, I think that. I don't 571 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: think you have to make anything. That's a pretty good story. 572 00:30:53,800 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is what what happened these between 573 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: the day you missed the prayer breakfast for a bar 574 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: fight and two days later, well, I'm sitting in jailing 575 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: the guys bailed me out with a big number. Right, 576 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: So remember Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, they're being chased, 577 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: and they kept saying, who are those guys that couldn't 578 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 1: they couldn't lose them, right, And BJ and the Christian 579 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: guys were like that, you know who are these guys? Yeah? 580 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: The real Christian. In the Book of James one two, 581 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: it says, do not merely listen to the word and 582 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: so deceive yourselves. Do what it says and with a 583 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: lot of fun. At the Lamb's Church in New York City. 584 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: So before this I'm doing, it was the beginning of AIDS. 585 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: So the Lambs had two rooms with monk beds of 586 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: twenty four, so forty eight guys in there dying of age. 587 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: And in those days you died in six it looked 588 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: like Auschwitz. Right, guys are really dying. In those days 589 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: you got age, you died in six months. There was 590 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: no cocktail, and are mostly hom active, homosexual guys and 591 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: drug users. And BJ and Denny Rulin always we're doing 592 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: these guys diapers. We don't know what. I don't have 593 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: any gloves and I'm just changing. These poor guys are 594 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: iron right and his blood. It was a mess. And actually, 595 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, the liberal people were watering their plants in 596 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: greens Village wanted down and dirty work of serving these 597 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: people dying of age was the Catholic nuns at Saint Vincent's, 598 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: people at the Lamb's church. The Christian churches really served 599 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: like nobody's business, asking no questions, how did you get aids? 600 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: The bottom line is this guy's dying, and I'm called 601 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to help these people. 602 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: And the Lambs was quietly doing that, and so they 603 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: were just so my first witnesses of Christ, of real 604 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: down and dirty Jesus people were pretty fired up people, right, 605 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: And so I had really good examples of that. And 606 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: then now and now they're bailing me out of jail. 607 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: Who are these guys? They're the followers of Christ. And 608 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: they did it laughing and joking like bj he could 609 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: drop some serious f bo. I mean he was, he 610 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: was not. He's a big tough guy playing rugby. Right, 611 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: So Denny Rules played small college quarterback. These are Mike 612 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: Toronto was a hockey I mean not wimpy little girl, dude. 613 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: It's not that wonderful. There's not wonderful soft Christian people 614 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: right there are, but he's not my guys, so and 615 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: that might not have done it for me. So then 616 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: I got serious about the church. Father William Wilson comes 617 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: and speaks to the church, and he's just started a 618 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: ministry in Aisle in Bolivia, South America. So instead of 619 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: going now sober two months and instead of going to 620 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: club med the Chase Girls with my I go to 621 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: Bolivia to help this priest for a two week vacation. 622 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: And my friends are going Bolivia. Isn't that where the 623 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: cocaine is from? You done, as we say on the 624 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: West Side of Chicago. You done los your mind. So 625 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: now I'm in Bolivia. I was actually with Mick Luckhurst, 626 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: who kicked for the Falcons. He was there with NFL Charities, 627 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: and that's where I meet Mickluckhurst. I meet him and 628 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: aram A c. Bolivia. He's there for two weeks for 629 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: NFL Charities, and I'm there to help out this priest 630 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: I met in New York and the six six baby, 631 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: Mick and I and my father drive him three hours 632 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: down the mountain to coach Obamba, which is a modern 633 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: city like that, and we go to the hospital with 634 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: the sick baby and they won't let us in because 635 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: the babies catch you up. And we're like the other. 636 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: Now I'm sober two months now, right, and I'm thinking 637 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: Christianity is going to be this boring, right, Well, I'm 638 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: not going to have fun anymore. So we go to 639 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: this doctor who treats Indians and I could see by 640 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: the look in his face. I remember it like as 641 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: I said, this was a serious situation. And the baby 642 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: dies in my arms in the living room, a little 643 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: Ketchua Indian boy, and I got you, I got Luckhurst, 644 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: me and the father have to drive up the mountain 645 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: for three hours with the dead baby. So I ended 646 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: up staying there for about fourteen months. I called all 647 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: work said I'm going to take some time off, and 648 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: I really got rooted in the scripture down there. I 649 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: was back and forth a bunch of times with the 650 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: Sister Columbus Sister Lords. When people start, a lot of 651 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: the evangelicals say the Catholics are trying to work their 652 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: way into heaven, or their works are like filthy. Expect 653 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: They're created in Christ Jesus to do good works right 654 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: and with a smile and the most intense Jesus people. 655 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: Often I've seen our Catholic right even in the inner 656 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: city of Chicago, Like this guy, you want to get 657 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: some work done, give me hungover Catholic guys, We've got 658 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: some good guilt working, and the Evangelicals are praying for 659 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: me on the fourteenth hole of the country Club. We 660 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: got some good guilt working. Kyle was made and we 661 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: let a lot of Catholics to Christ through the Little 662 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: Leagano because they don't Catholics in Chicago, big Catholic town 663 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: mayor Dale, big Irish Catholic ethnic and they don't care 664 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: what we say. They watch what we do right. Let 665 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: your light so shine before men, so they will see 666 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: your good works and glorify the fuck So here I am, 667 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: I come to the mission has always broke. They got 668 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: no money. I'm back in New York City. My guys, 669 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: I graduated with her. They got big houses in Greenwich, Connecticut. 670 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: They're thirty years old now. 671 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 2: And yeah, but you spent you spend fourteen months in 672 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: Bolivia hanging out with a priest. Your whole Yeah, your 673 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: whole network in New York has now moved on. 674 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume, well, no, I'm asking them for dumb, 675 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: which is sort of like to help this mission. But 676 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: the mission was always broke. So I went into the 677 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: financial markets in New York City then, because I'm like, well, 678 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: my amo, and that's what we're doing now we can 679 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: make a lot of money and live low and give 680 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: a lot of money away, right, you know, do not 681 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: Matthew six, Do not stow up your treasures on earth 682 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: when Moth and Russ's corrupt and thieves break in and steel. 683 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: Stow up your treasures in heaven, for where your treasures 684 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: are there will your heartby Also, So what is that? 685 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: Because did you learn that in Belivia? I got time 686 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: to really read it that. Seriously, I'm not I'm not 687 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: being smart. It wasn't a whole lot to do, right, 688 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, help you. First of all, your 689 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: storytelling is so good. You need to have a podcast 690 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: because you're hilarious. But you skip something. You drove up 691 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: a mountain with a dead baby. Yeah, and you stayed 692 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: fourteen months. I think there's a whole lot germane to 693 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: your life story from that drive to fourteen months later. 694 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: And I got humble tell me about this. I used 695 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: look and still still once in a while. You know, 696 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: when I go to my friend's giant house in Naples, 697 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: you know Naples, they called the Chicago Riviera in Naples, Florida. Yeah, 698 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: and I got a little pangagin like me and I 699 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: could have done. And then like in New York, New 700 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: York granted some nice suburbs of Chicago. And then about 701 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: a day, Lary, what are you going to do tomorrow? 702 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: There's nobody out here to help. Everything looks like it's fine, right, 703 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: got great window dressing, so but I but the mission 704 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: was broke. So I come back to New York City 705 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 1: and he went into the business investment business and made 706 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: some though and met my wife there, who was a 707 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: foreign currency trader. At Bjay's house, his wife invited ten 708 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: girls and he invited ten guys and we didn't know 709 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: that Bruce Harper played for the New York Jets. He 710 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: was there. So what was a big setup thing. Yeah, 711 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: it was kind of kind of a like a college mixer. Yeah, 712 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: thirty second Street of Manhattan. So people in their late twenties, 713 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: early thirty So three of ten people well got met 714 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: and got married from that. No kid at BJ's Holt. So, 715 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: and my wife was became a Christian of Brentwood Academy 716 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: in Nashville. In Nashville, she was in one of the 717 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: early classes. Chicago Hope Academy in New York City is 718 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: modeled on Brentwood Academy in Nashville. Okay, let's skip to 719 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: So she became a Christian there. And so she won 720 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: a rotary scholarship to scott and studied in Scotland. For 721 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: she was a five handicapped, really good golfer. My wife 722 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: was a good golfer. And so, and you couldn't be 723 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: more op like, we're just opposite. I'm a city guy, 724 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: she's from Tennessee, which is her mom. God bless her. Still, 725 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: it took her a while to like she needed to 726 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: interpret with me. Hey, now when I'm fixing to do 727 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: that right, quick, right quick, you mean in the hurry right? 728 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: So that was a lot. So well, I got met, 729 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: we got married in Brentwood and at one pm. The 730 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: wedding was a night wedding. Weep Old Blue Rugby played 731 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: the Tennessee All Stars, so I played at one get married, 732 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: it's having a black eye. My best man broke his 733 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: ribs and my wife's great aunt was Miny pearl cabin. 734 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: So the girls are you kidding me? The girls went 735 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: to many Pearl's house, who's the opposite of that character 736 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 1: Many Pearls one that always still had the price tag. 737 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: So the girls are in my wedding album. The girls 738 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: all have that and we're all banged up playing rugged 739 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: so and oh yeah and so uh there's a lot 740 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: of mine in New York. We were at the Brent 741 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: would Marry It, and I like ran out of coke 742 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: and had a FedEx to the hotel for the wedding. 743 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: I believe so. And I you know, I have a 744 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: lot of guys, and you know, when bad stuff happens, 745 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: that's when they call me. Right. So even even to 746 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: this day, I get asked to speak, it's and you say, 747 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: when are you going to be muzz again instead of 748 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: born again? Yeah, but when people get in trouble, they 749 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: know what to call, right, so so, so that's kind 750 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: of been our m O. Right, you could live, you 751 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: could live great on X amount of dollars. Tithing is 752 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: you're supposed to tie your first dollar. I tell my kids, 753 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: if you make one hundred dollars, you're supposed to be 754 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: But once you start making some money, I mean tithing 755 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: you make, you make a million dollars, you keep nine hundred, 756 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: Like what what versus that? At one point? At one 757 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: point you become a fifty percent guy? Right? Like that? 758 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,959 Speaker 1: What's the guy I got? 759 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 3: No? 760 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: Not right? Actually no, I think it's pretty thin air 761 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: someone that comes a fifty guy? Yeah, that guy in 762 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: so No, not right? What's the guy's name? In California? 763 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: The ministry wrote that great book, The Forty Things You 764 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: go you read every day. Stephen Covey, No, Rick Warren, Yeah, 765 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: he's like so. And don't you know if you could 766 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: walk with kings and not lose the common touch, if 767 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: all men count with you, but none too much. I 768 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: like going to retreat and you stay at the ritz 769 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: called the Naples. I like that, right, I have a 770 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: big brownstone in the heart of what was a bad neighborhood. 771 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: It's changed a lot, but I got a fireplace, so 772 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, I so I don't do that. I say 773 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: for when I'm old. You know, it's part of my 774 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: career is getting people to do that. So but the 775 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: third house and the fourth house come on, guys, right, 776 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: So Naples, wreckin Ridge, Shakak, come on. So action, your father, 777 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: William Wilson, the priests, and Bolivi, who lives in Birmingham. 778 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: Now he's still alive, right, Will's eighty three eighty four, 779 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: is still super fit. And he said stuff, He said 780 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: this to me, what's the difference between the brand new 781 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars Porsche and a real nice Ford 782 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: feeding the whole orphanage for a year. That's the difference 783 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: in price. Right, you could buy a quarter million dollar car, 784 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: you could buy a nice fifty thousand dollars car. They 785 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: both get you the same place, and an extra two 786 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: hundred could feed the whole orphanage for a year. So, 787 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,919 Speaker 1: and you know he would say things like that. Right, 788 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: there's three things you can be. You could be passionate 789 00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: about doing ministry passionate about funding it or disobedient. That's all. 790 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: You can be right and some of it overlaps like 791 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: your coach and you give right. So but you know, 792 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: if you have the gift of giving mind of giving 793 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,479 Speaker 1: an exhortation rate, if you have that gift, it helps 794 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: to have the gift of getting right. I mean all 795 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,799 Speaker 1: the things that we run. The football program, we built 796 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: an inner city high school from scratch. We run the 797 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: biggest uh inner city baseball program in the country. We 798 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: had a farm for drug addicts, and that all takes money. 799 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: I'm a capitalist to the core. You're supposed to make 800 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: all you can employ. The best thing you do is 801 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: you employ an minister. You employ a ton of people. 802 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,360 Speaker 1: We just that's the best minister you can do. We 803 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: just released recently a podcast from Todd Kombernikki, who is 804 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: the director of the movie Bonhoffer, Pastor, Spa and Assassin. 805 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: It's a really great event by Taxes. Is a dear friend, 806 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: he wrote, who wrote the book. Yeah, he's a dear 807 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: friend of yours. You have many interesting friends. What I 808 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,720 Speaker 1: meet them through j of course, why not? That's access. 809 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: But one of the things that Todd continued to hammer 810 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: to the audience was money is not the root of 811 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: all evil. It's the love of money. And you know 812 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: that's an important distinction, and I'm hearing the same thing 813 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: from you. It's it's not making money, it's not doing well, 814 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: and it's not having a comfortable life for your family. 815 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: But the excesses are where it gets to be a problem. 816 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,359 Speaker 1: You can do a lot with those access. 817 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 2: And that concludes part one of my conversation with Bob Muzakowski, 818 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss part two that's now 819 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 2: available to listen to. It just keeps getting better. Together. Guys, 820 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: we can change this country, but it'll start with you. 821 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,959 Speaker 2: I'll see in part two. 822 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: Li