1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous historians in the United States and abroad. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: Uh. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: We got to tell you. Sometimes we record an episode 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: that only becomes increasingly relevant as the years went on. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: And I think in this one we were both surprised 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: that you can become an honorary citizen of the United States. 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: M hm. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: And it ain't easy and it doesn't, at least in 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 3: the back in the day, just involve paying a bunch 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: of money for a gold credit card. Yeah, an honorary citizen, 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: much like getting an honorary degree from a university, definitely 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 3: was a thing that is part of ridiculous history. So 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: why don't we talk a little bit about the honorary 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: citizens of the United States. 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome Ridiculous Historians. 16 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in a little bit of background at 17 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: the top of the show. Today we have been gallivanting, 18 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: uh hither and yalling. Let's see. Uh No, where were 19 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: where were you recently? 20 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: Oh? 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: I was in Mauritania for a little while, and then 22 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: before that I went to Fraggle Rock, and then I 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: spent a little bit of time down at uh. 24 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: In Little Australia. 25 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see I went to uh Texas, I pursued 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: some of my old SKA band dreams. 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: What does that mean? Is Texas like Scott Central? 28 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: No? No, this was after Texas. After Texas, I went 29 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: to Brussels, where my SKA band lives. It's a long story. 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: And then also, let's see between us, we've got Chicago, 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, some other countries again, but we can't mention 32 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: those Fraggle Rock. 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: Was my far my favorite through Those little dozers are adorable. 34 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: I think they're an authoritarian regime. I have serious problems 35 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: with their governments, that's fair, but they're still cut at buttons. 36 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: So so despite all of our travels, I gotta say, 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: it feels so good to be back in good old 38 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: Atlanta ga US. We are joined today by our guest producer, 39 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Controlled decad. Let's give it up for him. 40 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: In what we said, your name your nol I am 41 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: Even if we didn't, I still am. 42 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm Ben. 43 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 44 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: Do we get that? 45 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: You know, we don't need to have your name said 46 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: for you to have an identity. 47 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: So that's true, that's true. But if you want to 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: be a citizen of the United States, there is some 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: paperwork involved, as well as some verbiage. If they're cited oath. 50 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: Got to speak an oath, You gotta put your bloody 51 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: thumbprint on a document, sign your name and in blood. 52 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: No, well, you know it's changed over time. You still 53 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: have to have interviews, you have to take citizenship tests. 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: Naturalization as what they call it, right mm hmm. 55 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: And all three of us recording today and quite a 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: few of us listening today are citizens of the United States. 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: What's strange about this is that the United States is 58 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: one of the countries that gives you citizenship just for 59 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: being born here. Not every country is that way, but 60 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: if regardless of what your parents past is, et cetera, 61 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: if you were born on US soil typically for most 62 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: of history, that makes you a US citizen. However, you 63 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: and I started looking into a very a very strange story, 64 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: something about honorary citizenship. You know, this means that you're 65 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: allowing the US to kind of claim you. They're like, 66 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: all right, she or he is one of the good ones, 67 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: but they don't have to actually do anything, and you 68 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: don't have to do anything. 69 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Getting an honorary degree, you know, just for being a 70 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: good guy. 71 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: Like how a professor E. Meredith doesn't teach classes. 72 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: Really, yeah, yeah, E Meredith just imply some sort of 73 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: like ephemeral kind of like honor, you know, or just 74 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: by virtue of being this luminary in the field, you 75 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: get to be this thing. 76 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and that sort of applies here as well. 77 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and I think that's spot on, 78 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: because it would be cool to be an honorary citizen 79 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: of a country like I'd love to be an honorary 80 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: citizen of Baton or Vanuatu, which will show up in 81 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: a late episode. But in the case of the US, 82 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: we found out that is it is a real thing. 83 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: You can't have honorary citizenship if you don't want the 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: whole kit and kaboodle. The problem is that honorary citizenship 85 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: may be one of the most difficult things to achieve 86 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: in this country of ours. 87 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: That's right. It is granted by an Act of Congress 88 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: and the President, and to this day, unless we're missing one, 89 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: only eight honorary citizenships have been bestowed the entire time. 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: Eight only eight. Here's what the State Department says about 91 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: honorary citizenship. Honorary citizenship does not carry with it the 92 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: rights and privileges of ordinary citizenship, and such status does 93 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: not confer any special entry, travel, or immigration benefits upon 94 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: the honorey or the honorees relatives and dependents. 95 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: We're in Texas, weren't you, man. 96 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: It also does not impose additional duties or responsibilities in 97 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: the United States or internationally on the honor read. It 98 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: is a strictly symbolic act and no oath is required. 99 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: Aha, So it's not quite so it's literally just like 100 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 3: a wave of the hand and then it happens. 101 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a key to. 102 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: This saying of the city. It's just like that, and 103 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: it's first of all you. Then they can give it 104 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: to you without your consent too, can't they. 105 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: Yes, sort of the way that the Church of Louder 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: day Saints got in trouble for proxy baptisms. 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: Right, that's a whole can of worms there. But yeah, 108 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: that's the thing. 109 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: None of these people are like asking for this as 110 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: as some sort of benefit or like it's going to 111 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: do something positive for their lives or they're going to 112 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: be able to use it in any functional way. It's 113 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: a strictly symbolic act that implies that this individual not 114 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: a citizen has done great things to aid our struggle 115 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: as a country. It's such an ada boy, And that's 116 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: why it's such a thin list, because it has to 117 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: be a lot like the burden of you know, do 118 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: goodery is quite high. 119 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. 120 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: So what we wanted to do today was explore the 121 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: stories of these eight honorary citizens, many of whom will 122 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: be familiar to you, some of whom may be deep cuts. 123 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: So let's get started with first and foremost, one of 124 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: the most pugnacious, uh, one of the most pugnacious aserbic 125 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: characters in modern European history, Winston Churchill, who is His 126 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: drunken escapades are worth an episode alone, I would say. 127 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: But Winston Churchill was the first foreign national to receive 128 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: honorary citizenship in the United States. Eight states this is 129 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: interesting had already granted him citizenship, just not the federal government, 130 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: which I didn't know was a thing that could happen. 131 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, if you're I guess if you're the the 132 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: governor of New Mexico, or maybe you're the what's a 133 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: different state? What's the state? No one talks about? Delaware? 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: Fragile rock still not a state. Man, Well, that's legally 135 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: a territory telling you it's because they have tremendous not 136 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: human rights abuses, but fragle rights. 137 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: You don't think they should get honorary statehood and just 138 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: for their contribution to popular culture? 139 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: No, man, really, no, those war crimes are really bug 140 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: Have you. 141 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Read the UN report? No? O oh man, they're heavily redacted. 142 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: So yes they are, and they should be. I am 143 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: not a fan of puppet crime, which is why I 144 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,119 Speaker 1: support Sesame Street. 145 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: That's fair. 146 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: But you can love them both, right, It's not a 147 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: pepsi coat thing. So yeah, I did not. I was 148 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: not aware that states could individually grant citizenship, but eight 149 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: states had already granted citizenship to Winston Churchill. His mother 150 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: was American, and this happened all before JFK and Congress 151 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: followed suit. So we have a quote from Kennedy in 152 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: his proclamation. Here's what he said about Winston Churchill. 153 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, this proclamation praised Churchill for his quote, bravery charity 154 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: in Valla both and WAW and peace have been a 155 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: flame of inspiration and freedom's darkestall is that? Okay, Kennedy? 156 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's probably a Kennedy outside. 157 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: There there's a little bit of Kennedy, Kennedy, and there 158 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: was like maybe ten percent Kennedy in Oh. 159 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: We got it mixed up. Let's keep it interesting, right, 160 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: Like it's like potted meat. It's like potted meat now 161 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: with ten percent Kennedy exactly. I would I would buy 162 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: that at the grocery store. So Churchill is watching this. 163 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: He is despite the flagrant abuse he subjected his body 164 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: to over the decades, he is still alive. He is 165 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: eighty eight years old. He's watching a satellite relay of 166 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: this from his home in London, and his son Randolph, 167 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: accepts the honor on his behalf. One other interesting fact, 168 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: One other interesting fact about Churchill. He was also the 169 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: recipient of the nineteen fifty three Nobel Prize for Literature, 170 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: which a lot of people didn't know. But that's him. 171 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: That's that's an easy one. The famous rip roar in 172 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: Oh Okay. I can't keep saying Winston Churchill is a 173 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: rip roaring drunk unless I do at least one quotew. 174 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: Rip and cigar smoking drunk. 175 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah, perfect, Let's let's just pull up 176 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: one of his weirdest, weirdest drunk quotes a real hum dinger, 177 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: a real hum dinger. So, once upon a time, Winston 178 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Churchill is in a conversation with m P Bessie Braddock 179 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: or the Conservative Lady Astor, who is the first female MP, 180 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: and one of them accuses the Prime Minister of being 181 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: quote discostingly drunk, to which he responds, my dear, you 182 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But 183 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: tomorrow I shall be soba and you will still be 184 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: DISGUSTI leg oh man. 185 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: Jeez, if that didn't get him a swift slap across 186 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: the jowls, I don't know what would. 187 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: Good gels that are hard to miss. Sure, So he 188 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but he had tremendous influence on the course 189 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: of the world in which we live today. And he's 190 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: an honorary US citizen. 191 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: Wasn't he also like weirdly eugenic or he did like 192 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: you had some you had some real weird, weird, deep 193 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: cut Churchill issues. 194 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: Probably. 195 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not super cool. He's not a cool guy. 196 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: But he was just very racist, that's what it was. 197 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, against people who lived on the Indian subcontinent. 198 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: Yea, Yeah, he was. 199 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: Still very much a son of the Empire, as. 200 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: In like the colonizer, kind of like mentality. 201 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: Star Wars like evil Empire. Yes, yeah, most of most 202 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: of the prequel Star Wars films are actually based off 203 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: Winston Churchill. 204 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: He even kind of sounds like the Emperor. 205 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: He does. 206 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: Ah, I Winston church the Emperor. 207 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,119 Speaker 1: At the last second. And this is the biggest controversy 208 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: about Star Wars. They actually cut out Winston Churchill's character 209 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: and replaced him with jar Jar Binks. So if you 210 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: look back next time you watch Star Wars, you remember 211 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: how much people disliked jar Jar Binks. Just imagine it 212 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: in its original form with Winston Churchill. Bw It's great, 213 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: it's a good, it's a good, it's a good piece 214 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: of cinema. So that that was the first one in 215 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: the era of JFK. But who was after that? 216 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: It wasn't until nineteen eighty one, shockingly, which I guess 217 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: makes sense considering how few of these there are in 218 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things. 219 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 3: But we have Raoul Wallenberger, who is a historical figure. 220 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: I was not aware of it, something of a of 221 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: a Oscar Schindler type figure. 222 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So Hungary fought alongside Germany during World War 223 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: Two and passed past anti Semitic discriminatory laws towards Jewish people, 224 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: but the Jewish population of Hungary was to a degree 225 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: spared the tragic, horrific genocide of the Holocaust. Once Hungary 226 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: waivered in the Axis Cause, Hitler ordered the country immediately 227 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: occupied and Jewish people living in Hungary were ordered to 228 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: be rounded up and deported, and within the space of 229 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: one year, a half million people were murdered by the 230 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: German regime. And this is where Raoul Wallenberg comes in 231 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: what makes him a shindleresque figure. 232 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 3: So Wallenberg was a businessman who got sent to the 233 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: Swedish embassy in Hungary, and he was an issuer of passports. 234 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: He issued six hundred and fifty passports to Hungarian Jews 235 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: with ties to Sweden and that would offer them protection 236 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: from deportation. So when Wallenberg got into this post, he 237 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: looked at how massive this humanitarian crisis was and decided 238 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 3: he needed to really take charge and step up his game. 239 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: And so, with a little bit of creative paperwork, a 240 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: little bit of you know, kind of Maverick like diplomacy, 241 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: he was able to protect in the same way that 242 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: Schindler shielded Jews with jobs in his factory and kept 243 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: them from getting sent to the camps. He was able 244 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: to shield them with this paperwork and these passports. 245 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he didn't have the luxury of thinking in 246 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: a very long term way about this. This is a 247 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: crisis situation. He's just attempting to save innocent lives. The 248 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: fascists learn of Wallenberg's operation, they pick up the scent, 249 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: and so they immediately invalidate all the paperwork they can find. 250 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: They round up Jewish people who had escaped with his help, 251 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: and they force these people to walk to the Austrian border. 252 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: But Wallenberg is undeterred. So he is driving behind this 253 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: forced march and people are pointing guns at him and 254 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: he's ignoring it. He's feeding these people, he's bringing water, 255 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: he's attempting to do anything he can medicinally, and he 256 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: still keeps issuing these documents. So at this point there's 257 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: a good argument to make that he has defied death, 258 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: that he should have been shot. Right, So let's fast 259 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: forward to the Soviet Union. They occupy Hungary in January 260 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: of nineteen forty five, and they take Wallenberg into custody 261 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: and here is where we stumbled across a mystery. Raoul Wallenberg, 262 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: you see, was never seen in public again. 263 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: Oh that's so, that's so anytime you say that statement, 264 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: shivers my friend. And they were never heard from again. 265 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: Has to be a pregnant pause before again if he 266 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 3: just leave it as never never heard from And that's 267 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: sort of like it's very vague. 268 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: It's kind of like, wait, don't mean that they didn't call. 269 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: You don't know how you don't call. 270 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: They had a throat thing, they couldn't speak. Well, this 271 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: was you know, this was Cold War era, so information 272 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: was tightly controlled, and we do not know what happened 273 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: to Wallenberg. We know that the Soviet government said that 274 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: he died shortly after being taken into custody, that he 275 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: had a heart attack in a prison in Moscow in 276 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, but still no official word, no confirmation, 277 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: And that is why in nineteen eighty one he was 278 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: declared an honorary US citizen, which makes you wonder, you 279 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: know how much of that was a propaganda move. 280 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is clearly has a lot of 281 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: propaganda potential. 282 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: Right there is the aim Uncle Sam at this point 283 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: on the record at least is. They said, you know, 284 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: we're going to make him an honorary citizen because this 285 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: will pressure the Soviets or the you know, the Reds 286 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: or whatever they called him at the time to disclose 287 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: information about Wallenberg. 288 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: It did not work, now, definitely did not work. He 289 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: was never heard from again. Gain Gang, Gang, Paul. Can 290 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 4: we get a little a little distant, A ghostly. 291 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: Wush felt that Christmas spine? 292 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: All right? 293 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: Ben? Here we got next? Only a scant two years later. 294 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: A scant two years later, nineteen eighty four. Our third 295 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: honorary citizen is William Penn. So this story dates back 296 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: to the sixteen eighties. There was a guy named Charles 297 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: the Second. He was in charge of a place called Britain. 298 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: He owed the Penn family money like Lanister style, you 299 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he settled a debt with 300 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: them in sixteen eighty one by giving William Penn forty 301 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: five thousand square miles of land north of Maryland. 302 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: He gave. 303 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: He said, you know, I can't pay you the cash, 304 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: but here here's all this land. What they call it, 305 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: Penn Pennville, Penn Town, Pennyweight, no pennywise, Okay, I like 306 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: that I'm thinking it's something more familiar than we may 307 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: have heard it before. Although now that I'm thinking about it, 308 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: why why Sylvania? Where I want to know the origin 309 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: of a Pennsylvania. It's like Transylvania. 310 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: You think that's what it is. 311 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: Sylvan means forest. 312 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 3: That's a good point. So a Sylvania is a Sylvan 313 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: region penn forest. 314 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: Maybe. 315 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what we call real time etymology to 316 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: just we just kind of spitball it out. Probably true, 317 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: possibly not true. 318 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: This is this is what we call. That's what we 319 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: call speculative edibology, speculative etymology. 320 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: I like that. 321 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm that's gonna be a It's gonna be my my 322 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: new title. I like the validation, gonna gonna get a certificate. 323 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: That decreased me to be a speculative etymologist. 324 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: I think you deserve that, Ben, And more so, it's 325 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: true Penn's colony, which he dubbed Pennsylvania in honor of 326 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: his father, which you know also one could argue in 327 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: honor of himself. Hey, hey, now you know he is 328 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: his father's son. You know they share the name. But 329 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: it was a religious haven, which you guys do you 330 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: guys know about this? For for his fellow Quakers and 331 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: settlers of different faiths, and Penn was a huge proponent 332 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: of the rights of representative government and also religious freedom 333 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: and the ability to receive trial by jury, public education, 334 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: a lot of the important tenets of the US Constitution, 335 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: and our you know, wonderful country. 336 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, good looking out, dude. Thank you. On a personal level, 337 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: I enjoy all of the things that you are into. 338 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: If you can hear me from beyond the great So 339 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: the wheels of justice grind slow, but exceedingly fine. And 340 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: thus it comes to pass that more than three hundred 341 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: years after Penn first arrived in this colony, he received 342 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: honorary citizenship in a country that he never lived to 343 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: see established, because the US didn't become a thing until 344 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: after Penn's death. 345 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: Which leads us to Hannah Callo Hill Penn, who also 346 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: received honorary citizenship in that very same year of nineteen 347 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty four. She lived in Pennsylvania for 348 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: only about two years, and she was Penn's second wife. 349 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: Twenty four years younger than him. 350 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm okay with that. Now, that doesn't work. That 351 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: doesn't actually work out with the with the math. The 352 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: math Okay, dating math. 353 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: Have you guys heard the Have you guys heard the 354 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: dating math? What is it? It's half your age plus 355 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: seven seven? Is that the every time I have heard that, 356 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: outside of outside of our our irreverent conversations, every time 357 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: I've heard somebody say that, seriously, it's a little bit 358 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: off putting, you know what I mean. It's like some 359 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: guy you don't really know, You're at a bar and 360 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: they're telling you about their life and then they refer 361 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: to the math capital T, capital. 362 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: M exactly, which also, could you know? 363 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: I mean, I would love to believe that that in 364 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 3: that context is some sort of acronym. 365 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: That we have. 366 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: There we go. 367 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 2: We have yet to fully decode. 368 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: The master age technical hierarchy. 369 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: I like that? Or how about this the the master 370 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: age transgression? Shoot? I want to say grand book gradient. 371 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: There's no g inn that would be cool, the math 372 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: only only math with a G. What I want to 373 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: know is, where's the magic? We've got the math? Now, 374 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: where's the magic? Just wait? 375 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: You will hear more about that, Yes, you wills episode 376 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: so or in one of these episodes. So she's only 377 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: lived two years in Pennsylvania, and you know we're joking 378 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: about the math or whatever. But you know, if people 379 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: are happy and they're not hurting anyone, and let them 380 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: be happy. 381 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: Right. 382 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: She didn't get honorary citizenship because because of her husband, 383 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: she in her own right was known to be an 384 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: activist and an advocate for espousing the same principles that 385 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: William Penn also evangelized for. 386 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, when William became sick in seventeen twelve, he had 387 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: a bunch of strokes. Actually I didn't really realize that, 388 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: and gradually became worse and worse and wasn't all there. 389 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: She was able to kind of take over it, hit 390 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: the business that he had started and carry on that 391 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: mantle and really manage the colony's affairs, and she was 392 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 3: sending letters to various officials within the colonial governorship. And 393 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: when William passed away seventeen eighteen, she became the essentially 394 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: the governor herself. 395 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: But that's not what they called it. They called it 396 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: sort of an acting proprietor, which I guess is sort 397 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: of like being what do you call that when you're 398 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: interim governor, like a substitute Yeah, substitute landlord, which is yeah, 399 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: it's a little bit diminutive for sure, now it's a 400 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: lot of bit diminutive. 401 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: And then she passed away in seventeen twenty six, and 402 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 3: she was the longest serving woman in control of a 403 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 3: British colony. 404 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: A very important colony as well, Hannah Calo Hill Penn 405 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: that she is, I would say, one of the more 406 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: upstanding people on our list, speaking of speaking of controversy, 407 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: which I've foreshadowed just a bit here, fun we'll see. 408 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: Our next one is Mother Teresa. Her first name was Agnes, 409 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: but everybody called her mother Teresa. And if you grew 410 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: up around the time that Nola and I grew up, 411 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: then you have you heard about her as a kid. 412 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: She was hot, she was big, yeah yeah, and the scene. Yeah, 413 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: she was a real she was a real, guaranteed headline. Right, 414 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: you have a Mother Teresa headline. Boom papers are selling 415 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: out back when people used to read physical newspapers. Agnes 416 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: goncha bojaksu. Uh. That's g o n x h a 417 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: b o j x h. 418 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: I U not gonna lie. We had to google that 419 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: one pronunciation, Yeah, yeah we did. 420 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: Uh. She, like Churchill, was named an honorary citizen while 421 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: she was still alive. Get this, She and Winston Churchill 422 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: were the only people so far to be named honorary 423 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: citizens while they're still alive. It makes me think of currency, 424 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: you know, like here in the US, you don't get 425 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: your face on currency or coin until well after your death. 426 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: So so mother Terresa was an Albanian, she was an 427 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: Albanian nun, and she'd already received tons of the highest 428 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: US accolades in terms of the Nobel Peace Prize, Presidential 429 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: Medal of Freedom. And the funny thing is is she 430 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: didn't really spend a whole lot of time in the 431 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: United States to begin with. She worked with soup kitchens 432 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: under the Missionaries of Charity that she founded in nineteen fifty, 433 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: had emergency shelters, nursing homes, after school programs. I almost said, 434 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: after school specials. That's something different, it would be great, 435 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: that's a little more fragile rock. Really it's very much so. 436 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: And she, you know, she just founded all of these 437 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: really really important nonprofits essentially that were designed to help 438 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: and nurture the poor and the homeless and just the 439 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: less fortunate. And when she did receive that honor ray 440 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: citizenship when she was eighty six years old, the Ambassador 441 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: to India, which is the country where she first started 442 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: doing all of these good deeds good works, called her 443 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: quote a daughter of a man America, and she had 444 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 3: done a lot of work in Calcutta, which was known. 445 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: For its poverty. 446 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 3: And she actually went on to be canonized as well 447 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: and received sainthood in twenty sixteen. But this is a 448 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: really interesting story and the process that goes into canonizing 449 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: someone within the Catholic Church is fascinating to me, and 450 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 3: some things that I was not aware of. 451 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: Right, for a long time, the Vatican had a step 452 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: in the canonization process that required someone literally deemed as 453 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: a devil's advocate, and their entire role was to argue 454 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: against beautification and canonization, to say this person doesn't qualify 455 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: as a saint for the following reasons. You know, there 456 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: were no snakes in Ireland to begin with, right, something 457 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: like that. It was abolished in the eighties, but the 458 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: Vatican still still flutzed around with the idea, and Christopher Hitchins, 459 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: the famously militant atheist, testified as her devil's advocate. 460 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: How did he get involved in the proceedings if he's 461 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: not even a believer. 462 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I think he just likes to stir up that pot, 463 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: and I has to poke that bear. He likes to 464 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: bag that badger. I guess he said he represented the 465 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: devil pro bono. A little bit more on Mother Teresa. Yeah, 466 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: she was canonized on September fourth, twenty sixteen, and she 467 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: still had some controversy throughout throughout her life and afterwards 468 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: because certain people would would study her clinics and say, hey, 469 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: they received millions of dollars in donations, but they don't 470 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: have medical care, good diagnoses, systems, necessary nutrition and so on, 471 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: and three Canadian academics actually said that she was purposely 472 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: allowing people to suffer. Specifically, they said Mother Teresa believed 473 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: the sick must suffer like Christ on the Cross. And 474 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: then Christopher Hitchins was one of Mother Teresa's most outspoken 475 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: critics for for a long, long, long long time. He 476 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: he said she was not a friend to the poor, 477 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: that she saw poverty as a necessary gift of suffering 478 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: from God. So he had stake in the game. Next 479 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: we arrive at one of my favorite rappers, one of 480 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: my favorite recent rappers, I should say, Nellie No, the 481 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: Marquis de Lafayette. 482 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, of course, he's from the Hamilton Musical. 483 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: Played by Davy Diggs, who has a great who has 484 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: a great hip hop group. I want to say on 485 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: the West Coast, maybe they're called Clipping with a period 486 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: in front. They're great. 487 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: He's also going to be blind Spotting, which is quiet good. Yes, Yes, 488 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 3: I believe he wrote that. 489 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: I think he did. He co wrote it. 490 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: He was on movie Crush with Chuck, him and his 491 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: co writer for that movie. We're on movie Crush talking 492 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 2: about I can't remember what their favorite movie was, but 493 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 2: you should check it out. 494 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Was it Police Academy for it. 495 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: Had to have been. That should be everyone's favorite movie, 496 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: because otherwise I'm cult classic. 497 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: Otherwise, you know, Chuck and Air great friends. But I'm 498 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: not going to listen to it. 499 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah. 500 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: So there's an article on mental mental flaws that goes 501 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: through eight of these honorary citizens and they make the 502 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: point that I think is completely valid that the United 503 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: States would not exist had it not been for the 504 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: Marquis de la Fayette. 505 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 506 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 3: I haven't seen them. I'm not going to do no spoilers. 507 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 3: I haven't seen the musical. I don't know really any 508 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: of the music. 509 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: Oh just listen to the soundtrack. 510 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: I should. Yeah. 511 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's pretty it's solid. 512 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: I would. I would say, you know, if you're like 513 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: folden laundry or something, it's good. Or you're on a 514 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: long walk, maybe a plane. I don't know, got it. 515 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: I do have a flight tomorrow. We'll check it out. 516 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 3: But yeah, he was the French general who was in 517 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: charge of divisions in the Continental Army during the American Revolution. 518 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So a lot of the story you might 519 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: hear in Hamilton is true. This guy came in supporting 520 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: the ideas of liberty, equality and so on, and he 521 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: really didn't have to have a stake in this game. 522 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: But he is primarily the reason that France came to 523 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: aid the US colonies against Great Britain. And then later 524 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: when he went back to France, he introduced the Declaration 525 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen before 526 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: the National Constituent Assembly, and he co wrote this with 527 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, you may remember from previous episodes, because no 528 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: one's heard of Thomas Jefferson until they listened to Ridiculous History. 529 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: Right, I certainly hadn't been I certainly hadn't. 530 00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: You know. 531 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: What's weird is the way the way statistics work. There's 532 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: probably someone named Thomas Jefferson right now, and they're probably 533 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: mad that their parents named them Thomas. 534 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 3: I agree. Yeah, it's definitely like sort of that name 535 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: sort of been ruined. I mean, okay, one could argue 536 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: that name has been lifted up and elevated. 537 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: It's taken. 538 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 2: It's totally it's taken. 539 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: It's like it's like Michael Bolton right right right, or 540 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: or you know, there are two Nick Caves. I remember 541 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: that always. That always astounded me. Well, there's the artist 542 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Nick Cave. But but people typically think of Nick Cave 543 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: in the bad seats. 544 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but the artist Nick Cave is 545 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: equally awesome in his own right. It makes sound suits 546 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: and you know the he actually did a performance here 547 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: at the building where we. 548 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: Did a documentary. 549 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: They did very very cool. 550 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: Paul, did you work on that documentary? Paul's given us 551 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: the nod. Michigan Control worked on it, so it's got 552 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: his stamp of approval. But uh, names aside, You're right, 553 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: there is a tremendous argument to be made aid that 554 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: this country would not exist without the efforts of lafa Atte, 555 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: And I would say he really earned this honorary citizenship. 556 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: When he died, the US House and Senate draped the 557 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: chambers in black. They knew we owed this guy. But 558 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: when did he When did he become an honorary citizen? 559 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: It was after his death, right. 560 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 3: Two thousand and two, quite a bit after his death, 561 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: during a joint resolution. 562 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: Yes, he was given that citizenship. 563 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: But that was the federal citizenship because he was given 564 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: a citizenship via Maryland before then, right while he was 565 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: still alive. 566 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: Oh, that's what we're talking about the top of the show, 567 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: This who Little the Many citizenship. Yeah, yeah, that seems 568 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 3: like a stretch, doesn't it. I mean, I would you 569 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: think of it this way? 570 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: If one province of Canada gave you citizenship and you know, 571 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: you could travel there or something, but you were still 572 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: a were an entity in any of the other provinces. 573 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 1: That's weird, you know what I mean? Well, like, what 574 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: if Utah gave you honorary citizenship? Now you gotta get 575 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: into and out of Utah. It's tough. 576 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: Seriously, I think it was gonna air drop you in there. 577 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: This didn't. 578 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, anyway, it's it's obviously a symbolic act on 579 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: on all fronts here. 580 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: But that's an interesting one to me. Uh so, what 581 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: do we have next? 582 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: We have Kazimir Pulaski. So, Kazimir Pulaski also set sail 583 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: for North America to help the American side in the 584 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: War for Independence, right, he wanted to fight for the 585 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: continental cause. He did a bunch of stuff. Famously, during 586 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: the Battle of Brandywine, he led a cavalry charge that 587 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: saved the life of George Washington. He was promoted to 588 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: a general who organized mounted soldiers. He even wrote the 589 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: book on cavalry tactics. Literally, he wrote a book about it. 590 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: Was that, like, that's like mounted attacks huh yeah, yeah, yeah, 591 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 2: it's all about formation, huh, formation, strategy, flanking, yeah, no 592 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: one when to hold him, when to fold him, yeah, 593 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: when to charge them, when to scold him, when to 594 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 2: scold him and say, hey, buddy, you're not riding that 595 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: horse very well. You're doing a bad job. 596 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: And when to mold them. 597 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: Get what it's all about, molding them. It's all an 598 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: excellent cavalryman, yes, yes, uh yeah. He's one of the 599 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: fathers of American cavalry. 600 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: And for a century or so, his death has been 601 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: a holiday or a day of remembrance. 602 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 2: Pulaski Day, Yeah, is that a thing? 603 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: I guess so it's you and I must be a 604 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: horrible patriots, Paul, have you ever heard of Pulaski Day, 605 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: Casimir Pulaski. 606 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 3: Paul is saying that it's a Sufi and Stephens song 607 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 3: and I, to which I replied, it is probably bigger 608 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 3: in Michigan. Okay, let's let's actually incorrect. 609 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: It's it's in big in Chicago, which was the second 610 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: Sufi on Stevens State based album. 611 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: There we Go. 612 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: Feel the Illinoise come on, I feel. 613 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: I hope he gets the other ones. I hope he 614 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: does it. One day. I keep thinking about that. That 615 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: bugs me. I stay up at night thinking about you 616 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: and your albums. Souf, I call him Souf uh So 617 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: Pulaski Day, which we have to celebrate in October eleventh. 618 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: Let's let's get up to Chicago. He's one of Illinois's 619 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: favorite sons. Here's some malort. Well, celebrate Pulaski Day. We'll 620 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: get a get a Chicago dog. We'll go see a 621 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: Cubs game in Wrigleyville. Drop by Second City, Oh man 622 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: see what they have going on Plascu. Wise, since that's 623 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: a big celebration. Uh yeah, yeah, so it is a holiday. 624 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: And he said he sounded like a superhero coming in. 625 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: So he's a Polish military officer. When he arrives in America, 626 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: he looks at Washington and he says, I came here 627 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: where freedom is being defended, to serve it and to 628 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: live or die for it. 629 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 3: Hard as nails, really tough, tough guy, tough sounding dude, 630 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 3: like the cut of his gym. 631 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: And so we come to the last, but not least, 632 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: honorary Citizen of the US. 633 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: Bestowed in twenty fourteen to Bernardo de Galvez. 634 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: In seventeen seventy seven, Colonel Bernardo of Galvez was made 635 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: the interim governor of Louisiana, and at the time Louisiana 636 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: was under Spanish control. Galvez hated the British, so he 637 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: helped smuggle supplies to the Continental forces through the port 638 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: city of New Orleans. He also orchestrated a campaign against 639 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: the Red Coats, defeating them in several battles, including Baltin Rouge. 640 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 1: And he became general like you do. 641 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's when he won some pretty significant battles 642 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 3: in the Battle of Fort Charlotte, and he took mobile 643 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 3: away from the British. 644 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 2: Finally, I know. 645 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: You wonder back after all these years, loathed these many years, 646 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 3: And that's when Washington really praised Galvez as being a 647 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 3: deciding factor in the outcome of the Revolutionary War. And 648 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 3: then in twenty fourteen when this resolution was drafted that 649 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 3: made Galvez an honorary citizen, that was quoted and put 650 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 3: in the in the. 651 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: Paperwork and the documentation. 652 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 3: He's also you know, this is the most contemporary honorary 653 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: citizenship that we've got on the books. 654 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 2: Who knows, Who knows what's next? Ben Who knows who 655 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 2: will come next? 656 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe someone listening today, It could be you. 657 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 2: It could be you want to be a citizen of 658 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 2: the United States. You don't want to do the work. 659 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: Just become a key military lynchpin in some really important 660 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 2: conflict that changes everything, or or you know. 661 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: Do something that people will appreciate two hundred years after. 662 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: That's true. 663 00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: True. Interesting facts about Galvez. He is, although he's little 664 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: known today, he is the namesake of Galveston, Texas, which 665 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: I didn't know. 666 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 2: I thought that sounded familiar. 667 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: Rights it's weird because he played such an instrumental role 668 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: but is relatively little known, but. 669 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 2: Didn't play any instruments the accordion. 670 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: Perhaps I don't know accordions a lot to haul with you. 671 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: Maybe he Yeah, because he wasn't the father of Calvary. 672 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: He's no Pulaski. Pulaski being both from Poland and riding 673 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: on horses all the time. Surely he's my accordion pick 674 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: I like it. I don't want a pigeonhole or stereotype. 675 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: I just think he's more likely to have an accordion, 676 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: And I think about that a lot when we're doing 677 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: this show. I think which of these historical figures is 678 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: most likely to have an accordion. 679 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: And to have accordion chops? 680 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: So how did he die? Spoiler alert? 681 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 2: He's dead. Yeah, he definitely died, and his remains are 682 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 2: lost to history. 683 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: Yep, we're doing our own sound effects. But while his 684 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: bodily remains may be lost to history, his legacy is not. 685 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: The bar is very high when it comes to honorary citizenship, 686 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: and while many of these people on this list are 687 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: controversial for one action or another, the truth remains that 688 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: they did fundamentally huge things for the US and in 689 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: the case of Mother Teresa, for people who are suffering 690 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: in other parts of the world. 691 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 3: That's right, So our hats off, our collective hats off 692 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 3: to all these folks because they really did make a 693 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 3: big impact, enough so that we were able to grant 694 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 3: them citizenship. In these days, the citizenship is becoming more 695 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 3: and more of a divisive thing, so it's sort of 696 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 3: like almost the highest honor that you can. You know, 697 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 3: it's not easy to get citizenship, and it's becoming even 698 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 3: more difficult to get citizenship and to become a naturalized citizen. 699 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 3: So hats off to all of these players players. 700 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we want to hear your deep cuts. Folks. 701 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: Who do you think is deserving of honorary citizenship today? 702 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 2: And more importantly, who do you think you are? Let 703 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: us know. You can write to us at Ridiculous at 704 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio dot com. 705 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's a little confrontational. Hey man, you know, 706 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: are you punchy? Are you punching? 707 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm not punchy. I'm just punching. Okay, I'm punching. I'm 708 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 2: punching above my weight class, oh boy, and below the belt. 709 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 2: At the same time you can. 710 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram, you can find us 711 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter. You can find our favorite part of the show, 712 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners on our Facebook page or Ridiculous Historians, 713 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 1: and you can follow our own strange adventures. I am 714 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: at Ben Bollen on Instagram. 715 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: I am at how Now Noel Brown on Instagram as well. 716 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: Big, big, big thanks to Alex Williams, who composed the 717 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: track and recently appeared on an episode of Ridiculous History 718 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: with us. Do tune into that if you haven't checked 719 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: it out. Paul, Mission Control Decket, I'm making eye contact 720 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: with you outside the studio to thank you so much. Dude, 721 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: Casey is pursuing his double life. 722 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 2: He is as LaBouche, as Lebouche and La France yes. 723 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: Yes, where he wears a leather jacket, has a single 724 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: ear ring, single dangly cross earring, and we think he 725 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: has two secret families that don't know about each other. 726 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 2: And lots of other secret stuff. 727 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: Did we mention this on air? 728 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, okay, I think we mentioned it at the 729 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 2: top of the show during the the Fmerald episode without great. 730 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: Well, hats off to you, La Bouche. You are missed. 731 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: And thinks so as always, to Gabe, our research associate. 732 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: Thanks to you Ben. 733 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: Thanks to you Pal, you really make it easy. We'll 734 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 2: see you next time. 735 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 736 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.