WEBVTT - Selects: What's a quinceañera anyway? 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:05.240 Hi folks, Happy Saturday. I hope you're enjoying your weekend. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.640 I hope you're with your friends, your family, your loved one. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.080 If you don't like anybody at all, hope you're by 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.000 yourself and you're having a good time. I just hope 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.200 you're well in general. This episode is from May fifteenth, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:22.319 twenty eighteen, and it's called What's a Kintanira? Anyway, I 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.680 didn't know until we did this episode, so listen and 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:25.040 find out. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:31.319 If you don't know, Welcome to stuff you should know. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:37.680 A production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.080 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.640 there's Charles w. Ch'bryant. There's Jerry, and this is a 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.400 very special day for us. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.040 It's a very special day for Jerry because she's celebrating 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:56.120 her her very special day because today Jerry turns sweet fifteen. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.880 Right, well, technically it's her chiple Kintigne. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:00.560 No. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.280 Jerry started producing the show when she was five. Oh yeah, 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:06.880 he was wonderin. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.479 She's a child prodigy three, A lot of temper tantrums. Yeah, 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.800 but we got through that time, we did the Terrible fives. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.959 And now she's just a pretty little lady in her pink, lacy, 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.200 satiny dress. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.280 Yeah, that dress is a lot, even for a King 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.960 Signora dress. Jerry agreed. I can I go ahead and 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.000 say I don't do the R role very well, So 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:34.119 I'm just gonna say Keen Sognia okay instead of Kingsanna. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.560 Yeah, that wasn't very good either, right. I used to 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.720 do a good R role because of German, but I 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:39.880 feel like I've lost it a bit. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:44.160 And I guess it's actually an n roll King Signetta. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.840 It's those good right, yeah, but if I try to 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.960 keep it up, it's it's I think it's gonna fatigue 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.320 everybody pretty quick. So Keen Sannira. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.160 Well, and the last thing we want to be here 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.760 to jackass white dudes. Well, that's how we do it, 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.760 laying it on too thick, too forty something white dudes 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.560 are about to talk about. Keintignertis like, we know what 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.680 we're talking about. Well, we did the research, and I 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.120 think it's uh. I think it's good to cover stuff 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:08.360 like this. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.560 I did too. I had very little understanding about this, 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.959 just from what I've seen on like MTV or whatever, 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:19.400 you know, did they have a show they have one 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.440 called like my sweet sixteen or whatever that I might 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.240 be conflating with. But I swear I've seen Keinton like 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.280 I knew some of this stuff somewhere. I don't know where, though, 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:33.080 somewhere just in the just being plugged into culture, I 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:34.480 knew it, I guess. Yeah. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.600 Well, I lived in Los Angeles, as you know, and 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:42.760 they have obviously quite a Latin population, and I looked 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.280 up Hispanic and Latino. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.360 I wanted to get it all right, good, good, let's 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:46.919 hear what you got. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.560 Well, it says that they can generally be used interchangeably 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:55.240 these days. But I think Latino can like I think 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.959 Hispanic refers to whether or not you actually have Spanish 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:58.760 speaking roots. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:02:59.960 Oh is that right? 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:05.119 But Latino can be like Brazil and places in South 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:06.919 America as well, if I'm not mistaken. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.119 I heard once that Ronald Reagan was the person who 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.000 coined the term Hispanic, or at least popularized it. 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.160 Really Yeah, well it was that tattoo across his upper 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.120 back Hispanic for life. 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:20.880 For life, yep, with the number four. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.160 But at any rate, you know, lived in LA and 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.240 there's you know, a large Mexican population, So I would 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:31.840 see kingtonettas going on all the time. When you're just 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.400 driving around on a weekend. I would see stuff and 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.560 I was like, wait a minute, it's not prom it's summer, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:38.360 Like what's going on. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.160 It's like Prom times ten. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.080 And then some somebody hit me in the head and 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.320 they're like, you dummy, dumb white guy from the South. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.880 It's a king signettas right, And so I was like, well, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.240 you know what, one day, I'm gonna do a podcast 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:51.600 about that. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.360 They said, what is a podcast to make up for 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.240 all this? You said, just watch that's right. So one 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:02.240 thing I saw was with Latin, you know, like with 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:07.560 Latino or Latina, there's that ingrained masculine. But something I 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.240 saw pop up in a couple of sites is they 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.880 would replace the O or the A with an X 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.520 just to make it the word gender neutral, like Latin X. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.760 Oh yeah, I don't know how you pronounced it. I 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.159 didn't get that far, but I saw it imprinting a 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.560 couple of different sites, so where they were trying to 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.760 remove the gender from you know, Latino or Latina and 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.159 just make it gen gender neutral. Because there's there's a 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.880 I haven't seen it, but there's an HBO documentary about 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:41.920 KINGTONIERZ and one of them is for a trans girl. Okay, 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:47.960 would it be pronounced LATINX? Maybe? I mean I have 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.840 to see it written down. How is the X in 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.599 like wahaka? Isn't it like hot? Whaha? So maybe Latin woa? 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.000 I have no idea. That's where I'm going with here 0:04:59.000 --> 0:04:59.240 we go. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.120 I didn't want to be too dumb dumbs and we're 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.720 so far down dumb dumb lane. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.360 It's not even funny. No, so let's try to get 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.520 this back on the rail, shall we. I think what 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.039 we just did was great because we explored some questions 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.080 we had. But now we can talk about everything we 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.239 know about kingsing gartis. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.960 Right, which is we've been dancing around this thing. This 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:26.559 is the fifteenth birthday celebration for young ladies young women 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:32.360 in Mexico, Puerto Rico and Cuba and the United States 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:33.760 kind of all. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:40.520 Over the world. This can take place. Yeah, and it 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.719 seems to be so it's a it's actually a very 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:53.160 traditional thing to where Catholic, like the catholicness of the 0:05:53.160 --> 0:06:01.719 girl and her even pre Catholic origins fine together with 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.800 what I guess you would call like is a universal 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:12.919 coming of age celebration that also focuses on the individuality 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.279 and tastes of the girl. You put all those things together, 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:21.200 you have a King Signeta, which is a fifteenth birthday party, 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.400 which is a coming out party for a girl as 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:29.359 she transitions from girlhood into womanhood. It happens on this 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.400 day and they throw a huge celebration, and there's a 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.800 lot of really cool traditions that you're going to find 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.960 at like every King Singetta that have some a neat 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.839 origin story to them or a neat symbolism to them. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:47.320 And also some great music, some delicious food, and family 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.520 coming together for an important day. 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.200 It's really great. Not just family, the whole community is 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.240 meant to, you know, like extended family, people in the 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.160 community that have had an impact on the girl's life, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.640 like a teacher, people been for the expense of this. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.320 It's like a real communal thing. Should we go back 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:08.520 in time? Okay, let's or did you want to go 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.920 to the future? No, No, we'll go back in time 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:11.400 all right. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.120 So the origins of this they date back all the 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.720 way to the Aztec Indians. Obviously in the fourteen hundreds 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:24.360 and fifteen hundreds they were performing these festivals because girls 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.000 back then were marriage ready at the age of fifteen. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.080 That's kind of what it symbolized, right, And like it 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.360 wasn't just the Aztecs, like around the world and cultures 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.480 around the world, like you would find some sort of 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.760 coming of age or rights of passage into womanhood. And yeah, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.400 when you came out the other end, it was like 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.720 you were on the market then from that point on, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:47.800 that's right. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:52.480 And they had ceremonies, they had speeches talking about how 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.280 important it is to become a wise, upstanding member of 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.559 society as a young woman. Then the Spanish come along. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.080 Of course, they invade what we now call Mexico over 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.600 through the Aztecs, and that brought in a European influence 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.040 to this whole experience. And this is where things got 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:14.760 a little more, a little more like debutante. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.360 Yeah, it's actually I looked into this a little further, Chuck. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:23.119 And they can't say for certain where keinsignetaz came from, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.559 but they think the Aztecs. But their source comes from 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:33.360 a single nun working in Mexico who wrote an account 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.840 that had been given to a priest forty years earlier. Wow, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.240 from another priest who had supposedly in the fifteen twenties 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.480 interviewed some Aztec high priests about their culture. So that's 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.200 where the whole idea that there was a rite of 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.480 passage at age fifteen comes from kind of shaky. And 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.480 then other people say, well, no, this is obviously a 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.839 Spanish colonial influence, like being presented at court. But the 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.160 idea that it's a rite of passage in womanhood is 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.200 so universal that it probably is a combination of the 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.320 two of them. No one can just say for certain though, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.160 what the origin is specifically. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:14.480 Yeah, and apparently until the nineteen sixties it was really 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.760 kind of an upper class thing. But then in the 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:23.160 nineteen sixties, as Latinos immigrated to the United States and 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:27.120 they became more part of American fabric, they really kind 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.199 of really kind of spread throughout the US and Latin 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:36.559 America as becoming across all socioeconomic classes. And we'll get 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.600 to this a little more later. But wonderfully, like you said, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.840 in poorer communities, you see entire communities chipping in some 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:48.120 money many times, or the godmothers and godfathers of padernos 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.400 and madarinas like that. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.640 Yeah, that's good to help pay for this stuff. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.880 I saw this photographer did a really great photos series 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:04.000 of Quintinetas celebrations in poor neighborhoods in Mexico and photograph 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.880 these really beautiful photographs of these these young women in 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.400 their dresses sort of in the middle of a very 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:15.120 depressed neighborhood and just showing how important it was that 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.160 they still had this celebration. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:24.320 Even though they it was a burden financially on their families. Right. Yeah, 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.160 I think Mexico City got together in two thousand and 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.240 seven and some of the businesses, some of the some 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:36.760 nonprofit groups held like a big mass kinsingerra and now 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.600 they do it every year for girls who wouldn't otherwise 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.240 be able to have one. Yeah. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.640 I also read a New York Times article where there's 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.640 a lot of bias, like when it comes to things 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.200 like this and bar and bought Mitzvah's and debutante balls, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:54.600 where it's very easy for someone to say, like, you know, 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.960 if you're poor living in Mexico City, why are you 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.360 wasting And that's an air quo quotes your money on 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.000 this celebration when your family doesn't have much money, and 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:06.840 they say, you know, you never hear this kind of 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:12.920 criticism for bar mitzvahs and bot mitzvahs or debutantes, regardless 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:17.280 of socioeconomic status. So it's just a very important, important 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.520 part of their culture that should be shouldn't be looked 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.000 down upon just because they may not have the kind 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.679 of money to throw a big one, you know what 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:28.120 I'm saying. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.439 Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I'm sure. One of the things, though, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.000 you just kind of hit on the head is that 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:38.120 it's a it's a it's a part of latinix culture, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.880 which is one reason why it's become so big in America. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:48.000 It's a way of people of Latino heritage to say, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.880 you know, this is my heritage too, and this is 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.760 how I'm going to come of age in America. But 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.400 because it's also in America and these are American born 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:02.480 girls of Latina heritage, they they have come over time 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.800 to kind of meld together with what Americans look at 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.360 and say, that's just one enormous sweet sixteen party, right, 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.120 But there's there's some details in there that you'll find 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.040 out at Kinsonnira that you won't at a sweet sixteen party, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:39.480 and we'll talk about those right after this. Well done, 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.240 all right, Charles, So we are going to start the day. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.439 It's a frantic day, It's a hectic day. From everything 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.599 I understand from what I've read, this is a and 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.559 actually like a cool day for a girl, but also 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.079 very stressful. All right. 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.880 It's like a it's like a wedding or a prom 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.200 or anything where there's a lot of pressure on this one, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.840 you know, six hour experience. 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.640 But think about this. With a wedding, you've got your 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.360 s O to plan the wedding with. With prom, you've 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.920 got a handful of other girls to plan. You know 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.840 what you're doing with prom, and plus proms already being 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.880 planned for you by your school or whatever. This is 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.880 like your day, and part of your responsibility is the 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.679 King Signeta, which by the way, King Signeta literally translates 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.240 to the girl who is fifteen. Yeah, so this is 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.439 technically your Fiesta de kin Signetta or something like that. Right. 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.720 Part of your responsibility as King Signetta is to show 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.960 that you can take part in this planning. On the 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.640 one hand, it's to allow it to reflect your personality 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.360 and your taste, so you're the one who needs to 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.679 choose all this stuff. But it also shows that you 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.240 can be a grown up too, and undertake months of 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.679 planning leading up to this thing and basically pull it off. Correct, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.800 you are right, Okay, So the whole thing starts with 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:08.760 a trip to church, which is not right, which is 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.040 not what you're going to find a normal American like 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.480 say sweet sixteen party. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.720 No, And it depends on the church where you're going 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.160 to have and you know, sometimes the celebration also occurs 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.200 at the church. Sometimes that occurs at a different spot, 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.320 kind of like a wedding, you know, sometimes you'll have 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:26.720 the reception somewhere else. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.800 Right, that's not how it started, which we'll talk about 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.080 that in a minute, but go ahead. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.800 But it depends on the church where you're a member 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.640 or where you're having this initial ceremony. But the girl 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.840 before this all happens for weeks ahead of time, may 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.480 actually be required to attend classes in advance of this, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:45.040 so they're prepared. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:51.280 They know what to expect, right they well, yeah, that's 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.800 about it, as far as the weeks ahead part, well 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.560 as far as the church and all the planning, yeah, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.560 of course. Right. So on the day they arrive at 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.120 the church, and you were saying, like, you know, now 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.120 it's kind of evolved to where you have like like 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.440 a wedding, you have the ceremony of the church and 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.760 then the event elsewhere, well you can, right, and that's 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.440 becoming more and more the way. But one of the 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:16.000 reasons that is becoming the way is because in nineteen 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:20.560 ninety in Los Angeles, the Los Angeles Archdiocese issued like 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.880 a set of guidelines that basically put the kibosh on 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.320 this idea of the kingsonira as a big lavish affair, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:33.480 and it really dampened this burgeoning I guess industry or 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.120 tradition or whatever. It put a damper on it for 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.720 a little while because families didn't want to go against 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.320 the Church, so they kind of toned down the kings andiras. 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.600 But the reason the Church was doing this is because 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.640 there were too many kingsoniras, not enough Spanish speaking priests. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.200 And then also the Catholic Church has always had an 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:59.400 awkward position in this tradition. It's not a Catholic tradition. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.720 It's a cultural tradition by a group of people who 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.840 are predominantly Catholic and involve the Church as part of 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.600 this tradition. But this tradition, if anything, is a syncretized tradition, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.240 remember when we were in Guatemala. The melding of Catholic 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:22.680 beliefs and pagan pre colonial beliefs indigenous beliefs is syncretism. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.960 This is an example of that. There's like as tech 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:31.600 rituals supposedly mixed with this. The whole thing starts at 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.000 a Catholic church with a mass, so the church has 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:39.480 kind of had alternately hands on and hands off view 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.080 of this whole thing, and in nineteen ninety the almost 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.400 put a complete damper on it. But since then it's 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.480 just kind of said, Okay, we'll just start off at 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:51.640 the church and we'll have the party afterward elsewhere. Yeah. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.760 And I've also seen that a lot of churches now 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.880 are straying away from me is because they feel like 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:01.760 there's just a lot of disrespectful behavior, like you know, 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.120 people partying on the pews and taking pictures with their 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.520 phone and texting, and. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.160 Like they kind of forget that they're in a church, right, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.320 which I mean if you step back and think about it, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:17.719 having a girl's fifteen year birthday party in an actual church, Yeah, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.520 that's a terrible idea to begin with, probably about yes, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:24.520 so it makes sense to do this kind of solemn 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.600 ceremony at the church and then party elsewhere, which I 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.000 think is pretty much par for the course these days. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:35.000 All right, so before the mass takes place, this young 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:39.360 woman has and Kristen Conger, remember Kristen. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.800 Of course, what's the name of their podcast, Unladylike, unlady Like? 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.280 That's right, yeah, Kristen Caroline formerly of stuff Mom never 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.199 told you Now with Unladylike, she wrote this article and 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:55.600 she said that custom calls for fourteen damas or maiden attendance, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.960 to represent the fourteen years of her life up into 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.960 that point. I saw elsewhere seven. That's what I saw too, 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.480 to be paired with seven young men. You want to 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.200 pronounce that shambalons. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.159 Yeah, that's how I took it, shambalans, but chambalon. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.040 I read in another place. I was like, well, wait 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.280 a minute, which is it? And it apparently can be 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.159 seven to fifteen. So yeah, depending on I guess how 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.439 many really close friends you have, kind of like picking 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.600 out your bridesmaids and groomsmen. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.440 Yeah, and I saw plenty of videos of kinsigners where 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.639 like there were three girls, there's a four. Yeah, but 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.840 I think under strict tradition of the King Signetta. You 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:44.800 would have fourteen girls and fifteen dudes. You got fourteen damas, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.920 fifteen Chambalains and then one I got it, and then 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:54.560 one Chambalaine day on air, which I totally missed up. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:59.920 But it's it's basically the escort of honor. Who is 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.000 the King Signetta's date? That's right. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.440 And again I'm sure that there's some leeway. The Kingsiannetta 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.080 cops aren't gonna come by because you don't have enough 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.679 friends helping you. They have larger fish to fry on 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:15.760 Kingsannetta Day. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.960 Right, although the whoever is helping you plan this, it 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.920 would probably love it if you had fourteen guys and 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.240 fourteen girls because they all have to be outfitted. Oh yeah, 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.840 in exactly what you want them to wear, because it's 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.360 your party. That's right. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.280 And I don't think we mentioned, but the dress is 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:36.200 a very big part of the celebration. Traditionally it's either 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.639 pink or white, very satane. I mean it looks kind 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.840 of like a prom dress, a big frilly, floor length gown. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:48.240 But that also is eight feet wide, yeah, exactly at 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.280 the waist like out it's extraordinary. It's like a princess dress. Yeah, 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:57.160 like I want to Kenzannira, Well we can throw you on, buddy, Okay, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.560 don't do that. Sure you don't get all pretty for 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.840 the camera. I definitely would find a nice stress, all right. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:05.920 So the first stop, though, like you said, is the church, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:10.520 and this is where a lot of the ceremony takes place. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.879 They receive a blessing from a priest, the young woman 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:20.560 commits herself to her, protecting her virginity and her spiritual devotion, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.480 and then they leave a bouquet of flowers near the 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:29.560 Virgin Mary statue. And then traditionally they would give away 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.439 a porcelain doll, one of their childhood dolls, or again, 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.040 tradition varies. These days, it might be a step teddy 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:40.200 bear or something else that just meant something to the girl. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.880 One thing I saw was a ki Signetta barbie. 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.320 Oh yeah, all right, Well they'll pass that along to 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.399 a younger sister or another relative, another female relative, to 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:55.040 basically say again symbolic of I'm entering young adulthood and 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.879 I'm passing on this silly barbie to you. 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.720 What's the name of that the ultima Muneka? Oh, I 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.520 don't know. I didn't see that ultima muneka. It means 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:09.440 the last doll, and it shows that she's leaving girlhood behind. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.240 And you can guess which which one of those, the 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.200 ceramic doll or the old toy or the brand new 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:22.240 barbie the younger female relative wants these days. Sure, yeah, yeah, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.960 So so that may or may not happen at the church. 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.719 The thing that seems to be what definitely happens at 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.400 the church is the girl is presented with a rosary, 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.840 a prayer book or a Bible and leaves flowers at 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.080 the altar and or the statue of the Virgin Mary, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.320 and then receives a blessing. Right, so let's say that 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.040 all that happened at the church and the girl has 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.840 been blessed. Sometimes it's part of a regular mass, like 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:50.520 she may stand up and come up to the altar 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.160 and get a special blessing. If her parents are pulling 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.200 all the right strings, maybe she can get her own 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.879 mass for it. But she may also be sharing that 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.879 mask with other quin sigietas. There's a bunch of different 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:04.840 ways to do it. But once the mass is done, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.040 once she said like I am committing myself to the 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:12.320 Catholic Church and I'm a very spiritual girl, and thanks 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:15.840 for the blessing. I'm out e five thousand. She's heading 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.439 off to the party. That's right. Get that just like 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:20.479 a good wedding. 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.880 Get that part over with quickly so you can get 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:25.800 your party on right. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.800 So whilst she's getting into the limo, we'll take another break. Okay, 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:30.639 all right, look at her trying to stuff that dressing. 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:58.800 Then okay, chuck. So she has gotten in the limo, 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:01.879 she's driven off, and now they're going to the venue, 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.439 which is basically anywhere that you would also hold like 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.919 a wedding reception, you could hold a King Signira party. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.480 Yeah, I mean it could be. It really depends on 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.800 the budget of the family involved. They could rent out 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.760 a large hall, or they could it could be in 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:20.520 the backyard of their own home or at a friend's house. 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.440 Yeah. And again this is not just on the parents shoulders. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.840 It's very customary and very traditional for the girl to 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:34.320 approach family members. Yeah, members of the business community, just 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.920 anybody she can think of to say, hey, costs are 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.679 really adding up and can you, you know, chip in 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.840