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Speaker 1: My next guest is Tory is the best selling author,

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Speaker 1: writer and podcaster Towards well known for his work on

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Speaker 1: pop up culture correspondent on c n N. Tory hosts

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Speaker 1: a new series. I'm very excited to announce Masters of

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Speaker 1: the Game, a monthly one hour program on De Grill

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Speaker 1: as host on this one on one interview with living

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Speaker 1: legends and intimate settings touring, His special guests will discuss

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Speaker 1: their crafts, brilliance and rhodes, something I tried to do

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Speaker 1: on here, but he's doing it at a much higher

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Speaker 1: level and I respect that. Please welcome to the host

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Speaker 1: of Masters of the Game, the one and only Tory.

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Speaker 1: How you know, thanks man? How are you pretty good? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Your face is so familiar. And that's as a compliment

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Speaker 1: because but if I say that in complimentary way, because

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Speaker 1: it's been on so many different platforms. You know, when

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Speaker 1: it came into my life, it was on the tennis

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Speaker 1: far My daughter was striving to be the next Venus

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Speaker 1: she's a college graduate and honors graduate and graphic designs.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy. But she was a prodigy of sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, in that world. I like to go

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Speaker 1: into that before we get it to the Masters, because

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Speaker 1: I think that's what the whole thing is about people's

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Speaker 1: lives and perspectives. And you have such a unique perspective

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Speaker 1: because you've done so many things, Tori, so many things

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Speaker 1: well in the name of tennis. What are the upsides

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Speaker 1: what are the downsides? That's a great question. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, definitely one of the upsides is learning how

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Speaker 1: None of these kids paid to fly themselves there. Um,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't to me, um, although you know, the most

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more money Making Conversations Master

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Speaker 1: Class with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversations Master Class with Rushan McDonald. You know, it's always

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Speaker 1: especially with my brother, and I want to thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'll be watching Masters of the Game. I'll be promoting

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Speaker 1: of that big change. And degree Oh keep winning My brother,

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