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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode Believe or Not, number four of Bird Noises,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons podcast about football and mostly everything else. Today

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Speaker 1: we are joined by the man who not only was

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Speaker 1: on the receiving end of what will be remembered as

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Speaker 1: the Holy Buck Guys play by the Ohio State Faithball,

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Speaker 1: but the man who caught Matt Ryan's first NFL pass

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Speaker 1: and took it to the house. Michael Jenkins, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Bird Noises. Thank you there like applause, like animated applause.

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Speaker 1: Back here there's there's aufs birds going on right now

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Speaker 1: in the background, lots of bird noises going out right now.

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Speaker 1: We get that going by end of this. What do

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Speaker 1: you think of the name? I've asked the I've had

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Speaker 1: asked Jack Crawford, Matt Shop and Jerry Ray, longtime trainer,

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Speaker 1: what they thought, And I gotta ask you, Oh, be honest,

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Speaker 1: I think we can work on it. Okay, give us

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Speaker 1: some time. Yeah, that's that was kind of my thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Took um. Well, welcome and so glad that you. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I know you're a busy guy, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: that in a minute, but thanks for coming to a

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Speaker 1: beautiful flowery branch. Oh, no problem. That was actually out

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Speaker 1: this way, so it wasn't it made it easy? Perfect? Um,

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Speaker 1: I just need I need to get a T shirt

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Speaker 1: or something that says bird noises or maybe we can

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Speaker 1: find room in the budget for that. Um. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the catch and we'll just we'll just

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Speaker 1: start in right there since I brought it up. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to the catch. It's fourth and one on the

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Speaker 1: perdue thirty seven, one forty four left in the game.

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Speaker 1: You're down sixty three. Craig Krenzel's behind center and Trestle

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Speaker 1: calls King right sixty four? Why shallow sharp? Wow, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that Matt Ryan catch first. UM, all right,

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Speaker 1: So I had Mike Malarkey on Matt Ryan with Dirk Cutter,

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Speaker 1: and I asked them if they could remember the play call,

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Speaker 1: the down and distance, what the coverage was, who the

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Speaker 1: corner was, everything from that game when you guys opened

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Speaker 1: up the season against the Detroit Lions, and it was

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Speaker 1: September seven, two thousand and eight. Yeah, I'm gonna now,

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Speaker 1: I want to get your take, your perspective on everything

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Speaker 1: remember at Michael Jenkins because you, after all, caught the

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Speaker 1: ball and took it sixty two yards, you scored the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: But tell me everything you remember about that play, the conversations,

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Speaker 1: the coverage, your route, and then and then I'll kind

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Speaker 1: of match up what Matt and Malarkey said about it.

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Speaker 1: But just dying to hear your perspective. All right, So

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Speaker 1: let's let's go back a little bit to that draft. Okay, Wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. I think we had what a third pick.

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Speaker 1: Mat was a third pick over all that year. And

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a debate. What yeah, especially

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Speaker 1: you know guys talk, so do we need a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Obviously all the stuff with vic Um happening and the

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Speaker 1: Glenn Dorsey was it? Yeah, Glenn Dorsey, And they were like, well,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was saying, hey, we should go Dorsey.

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Speaker 1: And we come in with Matt, so we have no

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Speaker 1: from day one in camp, like Matt kind of he

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Speaker 1: smart kid out of BC. We all saw the shot

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Speaker 1: that he took in college in his chest caved in. UM,

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Speaker 1: and he just keeps fighting. And he came in with

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Speaker 1: that from day one. UM, leading us up to the

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Speaker 1: first game against Detroit and play call sixty two commons sink.

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Speaker 1: That's very popular, wondering. Yeah, I remember that fifty two

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Speaker 1: You remember who the safety was? I do not, Gerald Alexander,

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Speaker 1: but go ahead, you got me there. Um, down was

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Speaker 1: but were you think? What were anything going through your head?

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Speaker 1: You're not trying to like think, oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: get ran down. Because we had a big fine system

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Speaker 1: drop passes. Ye, drop touchdown passes. So drop passes gotta

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Speaker 1: Does um drop touchdown pass one hundred bucks? Wow? No cuts.

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Speaker 1: This was donated to charity. Oh yeah, all donated to cherry.

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Speaker 1: And then go off the field. All right. So if

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's pretty much. Matt talked about a conversation

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Speaker 1: Sam Spence, are you is that cool? I guess there's

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Speaker 1: time with the Falcons. You know, I'm not missing field goals,

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure gonna hate on it at all. Um.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, just by the way that, according to

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame, Matt Ryan became the first

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Speaker 1: did it against the Courts. Yeah, and a little, a

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Speaker 1: going to ask Christians ponders, first pass you got tackled.

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Speaker 1: books to read. I can't tell you the book or author,

423
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Speaker 1: but you know, just stuff to help. Because he would

424
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: see stuff in us as younger guys and say, hey,

425
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: you guys can be great. You know, just trying to

426
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: pass out knowledge that he's at. That's that's pretty incredible.

427
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: And when he said that, guys didn't go why no

428
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 1: one questioned him. Right, They're just like they just start

429
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, you just start doing it every day.

430
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: It's incredible. And then you see, it's not a surprise

431
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: when you hear those stories. It's not surprised, you know,

432
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: to see him. You hear all those kinds of stories

433
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: come out when he when guys making into the Hall

434
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: of Fame. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. Now he has a podcast.

435
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what's it? You've been on it. I'm not

436
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: special enough to be on to. Hey, Tony, you need

437
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: to You need to get Michael Jenkins and his wife.

438
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: His wife's on there, October's on there. But he's he's

439
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: got one. Guys are doing them more and more. You know,

440
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: what do you think do you think Tony Gonzalez listens

441
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: to bird noises? Be honest, he's gonna start though. We're

442
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna send you the link. You can send it to him. Okay,

443
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Speaker 1: all right, Um, the one player that you shared the

444
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: field with that when you came out, you kind of

445
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: got a little starry eyed over like the best player?

446
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: Did you did that ever happen? Did you ever take

447
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: the field with somebody? Go? Okay, now I know you can't.

448
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: You played Ohouse State and you played with a lot

449
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: of great players. But when you came to the league,

450
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: and I know you just talked about Tony Gonzalez, but

451
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: was there another guy and another team where you just like,

452
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I grew up watching that guy or not. Well,

453
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: so there's obviously there's a lot of great players. So

454
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: getting here to Atlanta were done. Yeah, getting to play

455
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Speaker 1: with him Tampa Kin grew up in Tampa. So I've

456
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Speaker 1: seen Ward played for you years. Name with a school leado, Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: l e Eto, Lato, Lato Hispanic? Okay, all Hispanic, very Hispanic. Yes,

458
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: principles mister Bilniga Okay. Athletic director is mister Roderiguez. I

459
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: understand you think you made some nice donations to their program. Yeah.

460
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: I bought uniforms for them one time. It's pretty cool.

461
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. But the guy work, it's one I'll say,

462
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: because I got to play with him. Okay, but you're

463
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: allowed to go to Okay, thank you. Going on the field,

464
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: we played Randy Moss when he was still like really

465
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: in his prime with Minnesota and don't say Culpepper. So

466
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: I went to West Virginia and grad scholled Marshall So

467
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: and never forget, I mean they actually still show the play.

468
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: It might have been preseason, but Randy is on D'Angelo Hall,

469
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: other first round draft pick, went eighth overall, and D'Angelo

470
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: is like eight yards off. Pretty cockey guy, pretty good

471
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Speaker 1: cover car. Randy come in de'angelo, I mean, one of

472
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: the fastest guys coming out and come and buying all

473
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: that stuff. So Randy comes off the ball literally like

474
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: four yards and throws his hand up like a mailbox,

475
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: like I'm telling the quarterback I'm open already, and he's

476
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: going deep at four yards. I've never seen it before

477
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Speaker 1: in my life, and cold pepperer back throws it fifty

478
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: yards and he runs right past D'Angelo and I was

479
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: just like, oh my guy. So that was But that's

480
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: one where you when they're playing, you're like, if we're

481
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: not got, if we don't have anything going on the sideline,

482
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm watching this, I'm watching him. Yeah, that's pretty h

483
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: high praise um. And finally number twelve your number. See

484
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Speaker 1: how I did that? Yeah? Best coach, head coach position

485
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: coach can I go? It's just best coach, best coach,

486
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: Jay can only go one. That's tough, man, I know

487
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: because I've had all your coaches out there. That coach Michael,

488
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: he loves you. But I have very different styles of coaches. Um,

489
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: big George Stewart my first coach here, big guy, loving guy.

490
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: To Paul Petrino, who's who would dip and swallow the dip? Wow?

491
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: And if you're anybody like that, but he's like that,

492
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: don't spit. He took the dip and coke and yeah,

493
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: that was That was Paul. That doesn't work out well

494
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: to Terry Robiski, who is I don't even know if

495
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: you can describe Terry Ribisky. Fiery guy, right, fiery, funny, motivational,

496
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: really cares about football. Um, I'll go with Terry. Okay,

497
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: that's a great one. Yeah, um, all right, I promise

498
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: I'd go back to Holy buck Eye all right, and

499
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I know how much you love your buck Eyes. I do.

500
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Let's say this. Are you a true Michigan fan though?

501
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: Are you like die Hard? You m blee blue and yellow.

502
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can even tell you this

503
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: right now, because I'm afraid you might walk out of

504
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the podcast just asking him painful if you are. You know,

505
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: it's been rough. Okay. I went to West Virginia. Okay,

506
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: so you know different we played a state once. It

507
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: end well for us. We have a good team every

508
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: four years in West Virginia. But to back back to

509
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Speaker 1: your question, because you know I'm gonna be honest, I

510
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: did I know the words to hell to the victors? Okay,

511
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: let's leave it at that, Okay, But speaking of the

512
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State Buckeys, you're six and oh right now, tied

513
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: with Georgia. We are for third in the latest eight pepole.

514
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: Things are gone well very well. Yeah, high hopes for

515
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: this team, I do. Okay. I like the way you're

516
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: playing right now, especially on defense. Okay, all right, So

517
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: did that play against Purdue? And just to set it

518
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: up again, it was fourth and one. You guys were

519
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: ten and oh. You were down six to three against

520
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Speaker 1: Purdue with a minute twenty two left in a national

521
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: champion All your hopes of a BCS title game would

522
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: have been dashed at that point. Georgia would have been

523
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: in that year. Everybody in their yeah, everybody in there.

524
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: You know what mother was thinking. They're going to run

525
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: the ball here, and then they call that play. Do

526
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: you remember what it was? Again? King Wright? Sixty four

527
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: y shallow swap. You know how I know that? Not

528
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: because I know Trussell. It's because that play has its

529
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: own Wikipedia face for grind out Loud, and I don't

530
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: trust Wikipedia for what it's worth. Um So Craig crncled

531
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: the pressures on. It looks like he's gonna be hit, dropped,

532
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: steps up, unloads, It does, and the rest is all you.

533
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: And the crazy part is, I honestly think I ran

534
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: the wrong route because this is a swap. So initially

535
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: all I know is you ended up in the left

536
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: corner of the end. I did, I did. I just

537
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: ran a go route. But I think initially so you ran.

538
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: I was supposed to have a post, breaking news, I

539
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: supposed to have a dig route and Chris runs a

540
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: post and I just want to go, is that something?

541
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: Why did you do that? Just beat the guy? And

542
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: a little did you know you? Were you doing this?

543
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: Were you waving your hand pulling a Randy Moss just

544
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: a little? I don't know. Okay, stars were aligned for

545
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: me just to run straight, okay, And I just wanted

546
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: to reiterate this. You ran the wrong route on the

547
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: game winning play that goes down in Buckeye Lore. Okay, yeah,

548
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: and won the game, won the game. Do what you

549
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: gotta do a little fun fact here, Yeah, that was

550
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: a pretty good fun fact. The corner for Purdue for

551
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Purdue also number twelve. I didn't book this up at

552
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: the time. His name is Antoine Rodgers. Okay remember them? Okay,

553
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: so re run real quick. Dad's military grow up. Moved

554
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: around a little bit, moved to Germany with the Cincinnati

555
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: for six years. Okay, little league football myself corner, I'm

556
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: going against Antoine Rodgers. We played little league football for

557
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: three years together. Oh wow, did hear he knew you?

558
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: So we knew each other very well. And uh I

559
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: beat him for that. Holy black I play that he'll

560
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: ever be tied to as well. Are you guys still friends?

561
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: We dude? Still talking? Okay? We do? And do you

562
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: bring this up often or no? Nah? Okay, he brings

563
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: it up more than I do because he's still yeah smart. Yeah. Yeah.

564
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: They had a good team, right, No, I'm trying to

565
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: think they were solid. They were Okay, they were my

566
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: freshman year in two thousand. Drew Brees was there and

567
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: we talked about him a lot. Right. They went to

568
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl Drew Drew Breesy Okay, yeah, um yeah

569
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: they were. It would clearly to beat you guys that

570
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: day would have made their season. Hey, it would have.

571
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: I also blocked the punt that game. A team guy,

572
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: you're a team guy. Team, you've established us you guys though,

573
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: had still had Illinois again, they took us the overtime

574
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: the next Yes, before you could get to that double

575
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: overtime game out in the desert in Tempe where the

576
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: where the falcons are right now. Yeah, I've never got

577
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: to do that when I played here, but I talked

578
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: to Mike Smith about that. Yeah. Um, but you guys

579
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: end up win the national championship. We did, and you

580
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: talk about wouldn't happened if you didn't make that catch? No. Um,

581
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: thank god for the Ets back then, because if he

582
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: went off of trying to get into the college football Playoff,

583
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we were undefeated, but it would have been

584
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: why do these guys get to go in and we're

585
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: barely beating teams every week? You know, ten and six

586
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: against Purdue, overtime with Illinois's unrans, double overtime Michigan and

587
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: just to get to win. Um. So going into that

588
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Miami game, who was loaded had one? I don't know,

589
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: they won that championship the year before, and I don't know,

590
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: maybe twenty some wins in a row or something until

591
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: they played US. Yeah, they don't do that anymore down there.

592
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: And then I mean they literally had like seven or

593
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: eight first rounders on that one team. Yeah, it was

594
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: it was insane. Um. So obviously we didn't have a

595
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: shot from everybody else outside of you know, oh here

596
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: we go, you got I mean, you know, you gotta

597
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: lay out the whole story, you know, guys with a

598
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: chip on their shoulders. Yeah, so it felt good to

599
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: get that when that was That was a fun game there. Well,

600
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: the Buckeyes were forty and eleven with Michael Jenkins in uniform.

601
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: That's pretty darn good. National champs, Big ten champs. Um,

602
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: you were team captain, but you're also voted MVP, and

603
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: I think only I don't know, I think only two

604
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: other I think Chris Carter and maybe David Boston were other.

605
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: The only receivers to be named MVP. Maybe someone sense

606
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: as a receiver and so it's kind of rare, I

607
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: guess in Buckeye Land a little bit. Yeah, so that's

608
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It's pretty cool. Um. And then you

609
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: were drafted twenty ninth overall to the Falcons in two

610
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: thousand and three. Also also, I'm a trivia fact. Yeah,

611
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: we love you wouldn't love trivia. Yeah, So if you

612
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: would think who has an all time receivering record at

613
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: Ohio State, m Michael Jenkins doesn't really come up, No,

614
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't. No, no, no, no offense non Chris Carter

615
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: made Chris Carters. Yeah, Terry Glenn, Oh gosh, I would

616
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: have said Terry Glenn, Antonio Holmes, Michael Thomas, Santonio Holmes,

617
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: I forgot. Yeah. I mean it's a lot of great

618
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: guys has been there. Yeah, but I'm at the top. Wow,

619
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Speaker 1: we are so we got we got still have the record,

620
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: we got the best right here. Ye still have the record.

621
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty awesome. I did not know that. And shame

622
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: that's question right there for Black Eyes the South, Well,

623
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: I can't wait to send this to my brother who's

624
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: in Michigan. Fan. Um, all right, so you're a pretty

625
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: busy guy. And if for people that aren't watching this podcast,

626
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: you got you're you're wearing your work clothes right now,

627
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: right now, you're in scrubs, little Dougie Howser, Dougie Howser. Um,

628
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: you're a busy man. You're you're you're married, and you

629
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Speaker 1: have I think five kids. Um, you own or co

630
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: own a CrossFit gym in coming beautiful town. I lived there,

631
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: I rent there. Um it's called CrossFit ecstatic. And you

632
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: also co own it with another former NFL player, right yeah,

633
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Johnson played nine years as well, and Penn State guy,

634
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: I played receiver. It's pretty cool. Um. And then you

635
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: do the job that you just came from, which is

636
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: you sell medical devices. Yes, basically power tools for okay,

637
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: neuro surgeons. Okay, all right, that's all right. That sounds

638
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: pretty heavy, no pun intended. Um, but uh, what kind

639
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: of what kind of equipment? I mean, what like what

640
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: kind of things? We talk about? Drills? Drills? Ye? So yeah,

641
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: I mean drills. These machines that run the drill. These

642
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: aren't cheap, no're not cheap no no. And it's funny.

643
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: It's a good drill go for these days for neuro surgeon.

644
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: What what are we talking like? Uh, you know, let's

645
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: price twenty five wow, so I can get like my car.

646
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: We sell them a little cheaper here do you sell?

647
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: You sell tools? They're more expensive than most cars now.

648
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: But it's funny because you hear people, you know, just

649
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: anything random like Hey, this isn't brain surgery. Figure it out.

650
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: And I'm literally sitting brain surgeries every other day. So wait, yes,

651
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: oh wow in there? Do you really? Oh yeah, you

652
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: want to see some skin get peeled back and skull

653
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: get popped open and they go in the brain. What

654
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: did you major in? Just care stuff? I was a

655
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: business guy okay, yeah, so business and underground. So you

656
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: could have never predicted when you were in Tampa or

657
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: Columbus that you'd be watching skulls be peeled back. Never. Never. Um,

658
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: you gotta have a certain kind of stomach for that facinating.

659
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know how I would handle it the first

660
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: time I saw it. Yeah, and uh, you know, yeah,

661
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: make sure your knees a bit so straight, ag, have

662
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: some water before you go in. If you can't handle it,

663
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: do you bring any smelling salts in you ever need any?

664
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: I have it? Okay. Lately I've seen some pretty gruesome stuff. Okay,

665
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: but I made it through. All right. Well that's for

666
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: the next podcasts. Yeah, we won't get into all that. Um,

667
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: So with five kids watching brain surgeries and then working

668
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: out at your CrossFit, and and I wish I had

669
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: known this about two weeks ago. Because I just got

670
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: a membership at another gym. I won't say where in coming.

671
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean, where are you talking about bird droppings in

672
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: bird sounds? So tell them the name of this gym

673
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: this year? Just eat the frog. There we go. All right.

674
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: We gave him a little pub, so it's it's a chain.

675
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: It started out west. It's a lot like orange theory.

676
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: We won't get into eat the frog, but I like it.

677
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: I wish I had known about CrossFit. Maybe I can

678
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: come visit. Oh yeah, stop being on Saturday. It's free. Okay,

679
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: it's free for just me or for everybody, for everybody, okay,

680
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: sound special? All right? Um, so you're busy. I mean

681
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: what do you do? You do you have any free time?

682
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: And what do you do in your spare time? No? No,

683
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I guess not enough hours in a

684
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: day now. Um. I retired and I said, all right,

685
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: I get my weekends back. No more traveling going to games.

686
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Kids were young, but when I retired, they were a

687
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: little bit older. So then they started playing sports and

688
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: weekends are consumed with being an uber driver. For them,

689
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: they were making sure they have a ride, get picked

690
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: up that whole night. Um ah, boys, all girls, boys,

691
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: three boys, two girls, okay, all play sports, soccer, cheerleading, football, basketball,

692
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: you name it. I have three kids. I can't imagine five,

693
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: but go ahead and then free time. It's just it's

694
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: really like golf. If I can get the golf. Do

695
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: I love to play? Got a favorite course? Got a

696
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: dream course? You want to play at? Dream course? I

697
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: want to play at something dream of playing with someday.

698
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Of course, we wouldn't want to play with Tiger his

699
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: state now still, um would love to have a round

700
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: with ye yeah, um dream course? I mean there's so

701
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: many Pinehurst, Pebble Beach, it's best course you ever played,

702
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: Uh you know what in Georgia, Piedmont Driving Club. It's

703
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: probably the prettiest course I've ever played on. Okay, but

704
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: I have done a five day trip to abandoned dunes

705
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: out in Oregon, which is a must do for any golfer. Okay,

706
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: this is all I hope, I hope I'm taking notes here.

707
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, um, I know, I know, I do know

708
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: this that you do spend time on your shoe game.

709
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: In fact, today you've got some nice kicks, and I

710
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: do I did notice that you've got some air. Jordan

711
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: eleven concords on your Twitter page. I'm a I don't

712
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: have a pair, but I've always wanted a pair of shoe. Guy.

713
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: It's pretty. It's pretty sad. Yeah, yeah, Like, how many

714
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: do you have? Okay, let's just say I started counting

715
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: one day, Yeah, and you stopped and I stopped because

716
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: it was just depressing. I was at three fifty at

717
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: the moment, and I just stopped. Wait, fifty pairs? Yes,

718
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: do you have like a garage for this for these shoes? No? There,

719
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: there's actually a separate room. Okay. It was a room

720
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: in our house when we bought it. It has no windows,

721
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: but it's not a closet. Yeah, And it was like,

722
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: what do we do with this? So we put some

723
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: built in and kind of turn it into a closet.

724
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: Your wife's cool with us, she is now okay. And

725
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: initially started with closing there, clothes started coming out and

726
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: going to squeeze in other closets because shoe boxes was

727
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: going in everywhere. So so I gotta you keep them

728
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: in their original boxes, I guess. Yeah. Have you ever

729
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: like said opened a box and said, oh I forgot

730
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: I had these? Yes? Or or can't find a pair

731
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: that I thought I had and then going crazy after

732
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: about two hundred boxes, I'm like, I give up, But

733
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: I have pictures, So you did like smart. Yeah, there's

734
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: pictures on the outside of the box. That's smart within

735
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: the box. So that helps. I hope, I hope you

736
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: ensure all these Well, it doesn't help when you have

737
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: a Nike contract while you're playing, so you get a

738
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: lot of free shots. See that. Okay, that helps, But

739
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: I mean that's been almost six years now, and yeah,

740
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the collection still grows, so those aren't free. Yeah, I

741
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: opened that Nike happen. It's trouble. Yeah, all right, Well

742
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: let's wrap this up with let's talk a little football

743
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: as in the twenty nineteen Falcons. Okay, Um, it's been

744
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: a tough year. You've had some tough years. Yeah, it's

745
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: been a tough year for this team. They've dropped four

746
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: of their first five. Um, you know, we're just talking

747
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: about some of your high and low moments. Give us

748
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: the Michael Jenkins take, give us your take on where

749
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: this team is and where it goes. With eleven eleven

750
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: more games to go, well all is not lost. Um.

751
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: If people remember just last year the Coats were one

752
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: in five, made the playoffs, made the playoffs, win a

753
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: playoff game and one in five, so all is not lost.

754
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is just win the next game.

755
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: They beat Arizona. Feel good stories, get a little bit

756
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: easier in the papers, get a little bit more confidence.

757
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: It feels good to come back to practice, because it

758
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: sucks to practice when you're you know, you're losing four

759
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: or five, six straight games in a row. I mean,

760
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: you gotta do your job. But um, now we're guys,

761
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: are human. You know, you have emotional ties to the game.

762
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: So um, if they could just win the next game, um,

763
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: they can make something happen. As a player, if you

764
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: lose two, three, four in a row, does it is

765
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: it harder in the game? Do you tighten up more?

766
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: Or um? You just take that mental like you just said, hey,

767
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: just gotta win one and you just just just be

768
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: ball out and just not think about it. That's it.

769
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you're trying not to think about it. But

770
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: I can say, you're humans, so they're so you go out.

771
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: Let's just say, let's Arizona. They go out. We've had

772
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: slow starts. Okay, we go out and once again we're

773
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: down seventeen three and half, and part of you does say,

774
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: oh man, we go again, you know. But the other party,

775
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, let's come out a second half

776
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: and let's more. Yeah, no more, let's go, you know,

777
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: get a touchdown defense, get the three and out, special teams,

778
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: get a big play offense, scores all right, here we go,

779
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: let's start rolling. Get a win. Um, but it's just natural,

780
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, Um, but I mean it's there's a lot

781
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: of issues, you know. Unfortunately this year, defense hasn't been

782
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: able to get off the field like they want. Um.

783
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: Old lines had our issues, run game has issues. Um.

784
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: You know, you hate to score thirty points and still

785
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: lose in the NFL. So but all that's in the past.

786
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, if they could just win the next one,

787
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: try to win the one after that, start putting something together,

788
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, beat your in conference opponents, Speed, the Saints, Bucks, Carolina.

789
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: You know that's you know, fans don't want to hear it,

790
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: but they've got all six division games right to go.

791
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: In the second half of that. We haven't played anybody

792
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: in division, so we could technically lose to everybody outside.

793
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: But if we went six and oh against everybody in

794
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: division win division. It's weird, but you know, it's just

795
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: one of those things that I asked her. Sorry, I

796
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: asked Ricardo Alan Kanner kneel that in the in August,

797
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: if you know, look at the schedule, if they like

798
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 1: how that sets up, and they, to be fair, they said, look,

799
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: we're not thinking about that, right, You're thinking about this

800
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: game in front of you, because so much can change.

801
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: But as a former player from your seat, now, do

802
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: you like how that's how because of the way things

803
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: are playing out? Do you like how that sets up

804
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: with all those games after the bye and the bye

805
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: being smacked aub in the middle of the season. You

806
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: always liked to buy later for sure? Um, the first

807
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: time you've ever seen in all those games division games

808
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: like that. It's act like that. Yeah, you could just

809
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of go either way. You know, you could win win,

810
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: win and get through those or if you lose and

811
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: you lose two then you know, kind of like writing

812
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: is kind of on the wall. If you lose the

813
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: third one out of the six, yeah, you see, so,

814
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: um right now, just to just be when the next

815
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: one be the next one? You know, if they can't

816
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: get through that stretch, and win all of those. I mean,

817
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: obviously the whole season changes for them, so we'll see. Um,

818
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: it could be done. Anything can happened in this league,

819
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: so still your proof man, anything can happen on the field.

820
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I think when when the next one?

821
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect way to end this one.

822
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: Michael Jenkins, thanks so much for coming on Bird Noises.

823
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: Thank you, Like, like, what kind of birds did you?

824
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: It's a falcon. It's a falcon. So like every time

825
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: we say bird noises, it just happened again. There's like

826
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: this shrill gotcha? So I wanted to get like an

827
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: actual like bird on the table here. I don't know

828
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: what do you think I'd be attacking like a bit much. Hey,

829
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me. Hey this is former

830
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: Falcons Michael Jenkins, and you've just tuned into Bird Noises podcasts.