1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Close a deep down field turn. Thanks the Dad. Want 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: a play by many, want a Dutch by time, reef 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: man it thanks the staff, lots of my first right 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: up and cuts down heat falled down the left sideline 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be cast. Was he a bounced yes? 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Manning him on the sideline, Brandy, He's one down the 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: middle of the field into the ends on a jump 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: ball and it's incomplete. And the ball games over and 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: the Giants it wants super Bowl forty. Welcome to the 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: newest episode of Papa's Perspective, brought to you by Bob's 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and mattress partner of 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: the New York Giants. I'm John Schmilk. As always, were 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: joined by the voice of the New York Football Giants, 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Bob Pop and Bob. We're kind of flying by the 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: seat of our pants a little bit on this episode 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: because quite frankly, the Giants haven't beat the Chargers in 17 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: the last twenty years or so, so we don't have 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: that many fun calls. We do have a couple will 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: get to from a couple of games. We'll talk a 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: little bit about Elien Philip Rivers but we're gonna start 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: with you going further back time to I went back. 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: I looked for literally the cassette tape because that's what 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: w f N record the games on in Because I'm 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: not kidding you, they had the thing called the Morgue 25 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: at w f a N. It was in Mark Turnoff's 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: old office, these huge file cabinet drawers, and they called 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: it the morgue and you would go back there and 28 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: it was just filled wall to wall with cassette tapes. 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: And just so people understand how this goes. When I 30 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: left f A N in two thousand and seven, I 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: worked there from as an intern and O two and 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: I worked until oh seven. When I came here to 33 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: work for the Giants, I literally scoured the morgue for 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: three or four weeks for every single possible old audio 35 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: tape that had Giant stuff on it, so i'd bring 36 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: it over here, and I ended up finding everything from 37 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: two thousand on because Bob, there was a time and 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: this was most of the time where the Giants weren't 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: on w f A N and they're on a radio 40 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: station and you could talk about it that is now defunct, 41 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: and a lot of those old tapes just or probably 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: sitting somewhere in like a box in the back of 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: some old radio station in basement, but nobody knows what 44 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: the well. No, the old w N e W a 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: M folded and uh it was AM and FM. You know, 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: that was so strong in the seventies and eighties, even 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: into the sixties if you go that far back, and 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: then John, forget about cassette tapes. I started in the 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: world of real the real tapes. If you went into 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: the newsroom at the old w N E W a M. 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: The late great John Kennelly was the sports director and 52 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: he did the Parcels show on the show from Gallaghers 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: and the pre and the post game show, and Mike 54 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Preeley was the news director. They had these boxes, these 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: white boxes that had real to reel tapes of them. 56 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: That's how they recorded things. And they had the Kennedy assassination, 57 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: and they had the Man landing on the Moon, the 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: Mets World Series, and they were they look almost like 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: small pizza boxes. And by the way, when I did 60 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: Best of im as at F A N, because I 61 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: did that for about two years before I left, they 62 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: still had some of those old IMUS segments on reel 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: to reel, and they actually had the machine. You could 64 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: still cut it like the whole nine years listen. I 65 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: used to edit tape that way. I mean I would 66 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: when I was working at w N E W A 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: M and doing the Sports connection with Richard Near and 68 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: we had a guy named Bill Gagan who was the producer. 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: You know, we'd had added interviews, and you literally would 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: put the two reels in and they had this uh 71 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: like crayon e kind of pencil, and you would mark 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: where you'd want to make your edit and then you 73 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: would take up this piece of specialized tape and tape 74 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: it together and hope it didn't break as you edited 75 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: out segments that you didn't want. Um. And but what 76 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: happened in the in the later days of w N 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: E W A M. Is as they were saving money, 78 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: trying to save money and stay afloat once they got bought. 79 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Once they got bought, UM, they weren't buying a lot 80 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: more tape. So what they would do is you would 81 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: in order to erase the tapes. It was called bulking it. 82 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: And there was a big magnetic thing that you would 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: turn on and you would put this real gigantic reel 84 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: on it, and you would rub it on it and 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: you'd flip it over like you were cooking a burger, 86 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: and that tape would then be cleaned and then you 87 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: would record over it. Um. So so many great things 88 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: got lost. There was a guy who was who was 89 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: brought in in the late eighties named Gary Brant, who 90 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: was the finest gentleman who became the producer, the executive 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: producer of the Giants broadcast. And Gary was great, had 92 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: a great relationship with the Giants. He was a real professional, 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: and he tried to start archiving things because he knew 94 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: where this was headed. So he started grabbing the reel 95 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: the reels and putting them on cassettes or carts or 96 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: whatever to try to save some of this. But so 97 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: many things got lost in the bulking of tapes. Yeah. 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: So in terms of like calls, I have pretty much 99 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: everything since the two thousand one season onwards. Before then 100 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: we found oh gosh, I forget the guy's name, Bob. 101 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: There's a guy that literally collects old broadcasts of games 102 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: and he has a website and you can get him 103 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: from him. I got a couple where I think he 104 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: literally had like a microphone up to his like TV 105 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: monitor for like the eighties six Super Bowls. We have 106 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: a couple of full games that way. And of course 107 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,799 Speaker 1: we have stuff all of the old NFL films, videos 108 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: and you know tapes that you know Stephen did he 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: had back in the day too. He's one of the 110 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: guys that works here in our video department, and you know, 111 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: we can post off off of those. But in terms 112 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: of full calls, that's all. We can't go much deeper 113 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: than two thousand because the tapes are either sitting in 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: some former w n W producers basement or they've been 115 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: booked or been completely erased. So anyway, let's go back 116 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: to Bob. Is this something you want to talk about? 117 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I was fourteen, you were. It's your 118 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: first year doing play if I played for the Giants. 119 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it's a regular season finale and the 120 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Giants are playing the Chargers at the old Giants Stadium. 121 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Now the Giants are going nowhere. Uh. This is Dan 122 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: reeves second to last year as the head coach. The 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: Giants would finish five and eleven. That would be their 124 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: worst record since Bill Parcel's first year's head coach in 125 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: three So it's thirteen years, they hadn't had a record 126 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: like this. Parcels first year they only had three wins. 127 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: Uh In Reeves third year because he took over ninety 128 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: three five and eleven was like complete despair. So it's 129 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: snowed all week. Okay, it's snowed all week. The Chargers 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: are coming to town, and the Chargers are like on 131 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: their way to the playoffs. And I'll never forget this 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: because the night before the game, we got hit with 133 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: like another foot of snow. So the people that ran 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: Giants Stadium, they worked their tails off, volunteers staff to 135 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: clear out the aisles to get people in. Not only 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: about fifty thou fans showed up because the Giants weren't 137 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: going anywhere and they couldn't get all the snow out 138 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: of the seats. I mean they got the out of 139 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: the aisles for people to get to the seats. So 140 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: what do people do when they're board and the team's 141 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: not doing well. They start snowball fights. Well, it went 142 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: from people throwing snow at each other two now people 143 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: start firing snowballs down on the field. And I remember 144 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: there was a player on the Charges who had an interception. 145 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember, uh what his name was. Um, 146 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: But anyway, he got an interception as he's running. Yeah, 147 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: I mean some good throws to get them all the 148 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: way out out of the field. But the trainer, uh, 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: the the equipment guy for the charges, he got hit 150 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: in the head pretty bad. And it was to the 151 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: point where Bob Shepard, the late great p A announcer 152 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: you know, made an announcement and the game was almost forfeited. 153 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: The game was almost forfeited, and Dan Rees I remember 154 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: him saying, I wouldn't have been upset of it was forfeit. 155 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: In the late Wellington Mara I thought agreed as well 156 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: that you know the fans behavior, Um, it was just 157 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, it got bad. In fact, the Giants took 158 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: out an ad, a full page add they paid for 159 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: a full page ad in the San Diego newspapers the 160 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 1: following day apologizing to the Chargers and to Chargers fans 161 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: for the behavior of the snowballs. But yeah, that was 162 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: the way. The first year as the voice of the 163 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Giants ended with the snowball game against the Chargers and Giants. 164 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: You know what people then do? They packed the snow 165 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: and they put some liquid in there. And they freeze 166 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: them and then all of a sudden they gets really 167 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: it's a problem. Yeah, and there was all it was 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: also like there was ice, there was it was. It 169 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,239 Speaker 1: was not a good situation, no Um. And the situations 170 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: with the Giants and the Charges didn't get better as 171 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: we moved the long year, Bob. So let's talk about 172 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: the connections between these two teams and then we'll kind 173 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: of go back and talk about a couple of our 174 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: our our coll leagues that we've worked with back in 175 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: the day. But Gihnants and Chargers obviously to make a 176 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: big trade on draft Day, the Philip Rivers, Eli Manning trade, 177 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: and you know that was a situation and maybe you 178 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: could talk about this a little bit. You know Archie 179 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: and his experience in the National Football League. You know 180 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: that impacted how we talked to Eli about his decisions 181 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: with the draft. But with that year, with Eli, Roethlisberger 182 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: and Rivers all going in the end, all three guys 183 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: seemed to wind up where they needed to wind up 184 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: to be successful. I agree with you on that one. 185 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: And look, the Chargers were a mess, um because you 186 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: had a general manager at the time who did not 187 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: get along with the head coach Marty Schottenheimer, and they 188 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: were at odds. Okay, so it was kind of a 189 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: dysfunctional situation. There was this whole thing they needed a 190 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: new stadium back then, okay, they they the old Murph 191 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: the Jack Murphy Stadium, uh is where the Chargers played. 192 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: In fact, the Niners, the Chargers, and the Raiders had 193 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: the three worst field situation stadium situations in the NFL. 194 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: There were old, archaic baseball stadiums that they would reconfigure 195 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: for football. That's the thing, by the way, some teams say, oh, 196 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: we need a new stadium. They really needed a new stadium. 197 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: So there was always this talk that the Chargers may 198 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: move so on and so forth, and there was friction. 199 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Schottenheimer got fired after a fourteen and two season, 200 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the Mannings just wanted stability, 201 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: um and a stable situation. And the Giants were a 202 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: stable situation with ownership, the hiring of Tom Coughlin coming in, 203 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: who was coming you know, who had been let go 204 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: by the Jaguars but had built the Jaguars franchise. So yeah, 205 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: and Roethlisberger went to Pittsburgh. Look, the Giants loved Roethlisberger too. Um, 206 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: but the Chargers fans forever, we'll always holding against Eli 207 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Manning that he didn't want to go play there, but 208 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: it worked out. Yeah, And then they first played, And 209 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play one highlight from this game because, um, 210 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy it. And Bob hasn't heard this yet, 211 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: so I want to get his reaction as he listens 212 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: to it too. But Bob, that was a really big deal. 213 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: When the Giants went to play at San Diego on 214 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: September and five, it turned out to be a forty 215 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: three Giants loss in that game. And the two quarterbacks, 216 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, this was Philip Rivers wasn't playing yet, right, 217 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: This was Drew Brees that was the quarterback for the Chargers. 218 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: And you know, I played pretty well in that a 219 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: pair of touchdowns, no picks. But boy, the Charger fans 220 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: remembered that day and they were a little cranky. Oh yeah, 221 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: they were very cranky. I thought the Chargers organization was 222 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: a little bush League two in some of the video 223 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: stuff that they were putting on the board during the game, 224 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: What do they do and all that stuff. They were 225 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: just kind of putting up these faces and I think 226 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: they really played loose and fast with the rules of 227 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: what could be on the board ward once play started, Um, 228 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of music and there was 229 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, they were they got caught up in it too, 230 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: And um, look, I thought Eli handled it as good 231 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: as he could. I'm knocking beca is Eli's Eli in that? Yeah, 232 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: And I mean the Charges were really good team. Um. 233 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, the Giants was Eli's first full year as 234 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: a starter. The Giants would obviously make the playoffs in 235 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: two thousand five. It was a tough environment. I mean, 236 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: the sports talk radio, the fan base because remember Breeze 237 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: was playing, Rivers wasn't playing, he was on the bench, 238 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: and the fan base was just in this frenzy. The 239 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: town was in a frenzy that Eli Manning was playing 240 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: there and he had turned them down, no question about it. 241 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: And in that game with Dadian Thomlinson went for one 242 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: nine two. In that game he had three touchdowns on 243 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: the ground, but he also had a touchdown through the air, 244 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite Bob Pop calls of 245 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: all time. Gates split out left, toss right and pass. 246 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: Tomas said He's gonna throw it, loves it down feel 247 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: white up in MarCad the touchdown. Do you even remember 248 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: that call? Do you remember that call? Not be able 249 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: to get out of acardel? Keenan McCardel. Yeah, that name 250 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: always that There's certain names that like always get yeah, 251 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: because it's like Keenan McCardel. There's like a lot of 252 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: n sounds in there. And quick and how about Tick 253 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Lynch in the background. Oh, it's gonna be but yeah, 254 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: the guys I've done this with Bob now since two 255 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: thousand and six, I have never heard him not be 256 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: able to get out in name. And that is literally 257 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: one of the only times one more down feel wide 258 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: up in mardade. It's pretty good Keenan McCardel as opposed 259 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: to just saying McCardell. I I felt like I had 260 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: to say his first name, Keenan McCardel. And you know, 261 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: it's funny and this is probably a good opportunit me 262 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: now to to to talk briefly about Dick Lynch, because 263 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: you hear him in the background of all these calls, Bob. 264 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: And if you go to broadcaster school, they'll tell if 265 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: they'll tell you if you do in color, don't talk 266 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: a whoile the playo plays going, but it and sometimes 267 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: like that it added something because he would see it 268 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: just give one word and it would give the fans 269 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: an idea of what to expect in what was coming next. Well, 270 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: Dick Lynch was the Phil Rizzutto for Giants broadcast. You 271 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: had the lovable former Yankee Phil Rizzutto who would be funny. 272 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: He would say like whatever was on his mind at 273 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: the moment um. And Dick Lynch was that for Giants fans. 274 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy that was part of the 275 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: great Giants teams of the fifties and early sixties and 276 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: he had been there, he had done that. He was 277 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: a star at Notre Dame, and he didn't really care. 278 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a guy you know, he worked 279 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: on Wall Street. Um, he did the games. Uh. He 280 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: was a huge Giants fan. He loved the organization. Um, 281 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: he'd love the Matra family, would do anything for him. 282 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: Would never talk badly about uh the organization or the team, 283 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: uh in a mean spirited way. But he would also 284 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: if it was football wasn't good, he would be more 285 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: than happy to share that with you. The other thing 286 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: about Dick Lynchard j always you know, because he sounded 287 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: on the air funny, and sometimes he would have malaprops 288 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: and he'd say things and phrases that were kinda off 289 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: center or whatever, and he'd be like, what did you 290 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: just say? But he really knew football and his exes 291 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: and O's acumen not on the level like today where 292 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: guys talk about, you know, the three technique and the 293 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: five technique and shading over the guard and making sure 294 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: you have great leverage and high pointing at all. Now. 295 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: He talked like a normal person and he was funny. 296 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: He always had you know, his doctor friend was sitting 297 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: in the stands that he would say before the game 298 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: that so and so was there and his daughter Jennifer 299 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: and his grandkids or his son or whomever. And he 300 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: made it fun, you know, a little birthday wishes allah 301 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: Phil rizzutto uh we talk about Gallagher Steak Cauis or 302 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: p J Clarks and hanging out. Yeah, well Bobby um. 303 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: But what was very underrated about Dick Lynch is he 304 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: would be watching. He would before the game. He would 305 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: just say before the broadcast, he well, here's what the 306 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: Giants have to do. Here's what they need to do. Here, 307 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: here's what they have to do to win this game, 308 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: or or if they were getting beaten in a certain area. 309 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: And you know, he was spot on and and as 310 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: the game was unfolding in his own unique way, he 311 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: could tell you what was working, what was not working. 312 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: And he was tough as nails. I mean tough as nails, Bob. 313 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I remember I was only with Thick for a couple 314 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: of years doing the games. But I remember in two 315 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: thousand and seven that Super Bowl run when he was sick, right, 316 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: and we go into Green Bay negative, you know, twenty degree, 317 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: real feel. We're in the booth. We have those windows open, 318 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: and there wasn't a whisper of a complaint from him 319 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: about he's closed the windows. He wanted them open. He listen, Dick, 320 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: Dick was He was from another generation. You know, he 321 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: was from a hard, tough, nose minded generation. And he 322 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: didn't let things bother him. Uh. He would tell you 323 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: where you stood. Uh. He was really good with the needle. 324 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: Uh if he wanted to give you a little dig. 325 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: And you know what, he battled through that last season 326 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: as uh radio analysts for the Giants. He didn't tell 327 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: anybody that he was sick, did not tell, didn't tell anybody. 328 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: He just battled through it, and um, you know I 329 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: missed him every day. He was the best. And then 330 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: can we talk briefly just before I want to jump 331 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: to the next thing really quick, what it was like 332 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: trying to great into a three man booth there as 333 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: we kind of shifted Carl upstairs for that run, well 334 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: before that, there was a lot of other guys that 335 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: w F a N tried to shift in there. I mean, 336 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: we had a whole host of guys that they rolled through. 337 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: And the thing that Dick, the thing that Dick if 338 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: he felt that guys were putting the effort in, because 339 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: he put it the effort in in his own way. 340 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: He might come out to practice or what he his 341 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: preparation was unique to him, despite you know, visiting somebody's 342 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: tailgate before the game or after the game or whatever. 343 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: He put in his own kind of work. And if 344 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: he felt that guys were just coming in there and 345 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: they were being plopped in there to kind of replace 346 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: him and they weren't putting in the effort, he really 347 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: could be tough on him in the booth. He could 348 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: really be tough now obviously, And Dave Jennings was let 349 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: go by the Jets. Jennings was obviously a great player 350 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: for the Giants and was a fantastic radio analysts and 351 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: again cut from a different era, You're you're you're not 352 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: getting a punter to be the main radio analyst or 353 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: TV analyst on television or or or for a team. 354 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: But Dave Jennings was awesome and he knew the rules, 355 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: So Dick Dick respected Dave, he knew Dave. He welcomed 356 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: Dave into the booth. And then when it was time 357 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: for Carl, obviously Dick had called all those games when 358 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: Carl was a player. Dick had tremendous respect from Mark Bavarro. 359 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: Bavarro and Carl were very tight based on their competition 360 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: and practice every day in training camp. So again Carl 361 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: put in the work, Dick welcomed him. It was really 362 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: a matter of he felt the guys were working. He'd 363 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: be more than happy to share. All right, this is 364 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: how I'm gonna transition. As you mentioned Dave Jennings, I'm 365 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: want to go to the two thousand nine game Giants 366 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: and charges here Bob. And this might be a stretch 367 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: of a connection, but I'm making anyway. The Giants lost 368 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: this game, but one of our car and broadcast partners 369 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: actually had had a role in that loss. So now 370 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: a thirty nine yard field goal attempt coming up for 371 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: Lawrence Times with Fiegals to hold. Figals get set with 372 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: Times snap is good and it's bothered by Fiegals and 373 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: then he gets tackled on the spot. Fiegal's mishandled the 374 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: snap and the Giants come away with no points, which 375 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: has nothing rarely happened, by the way, Jeff was great 376 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: holder and all that stuff. But you mentioned Dave Jennings, 377 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: and we have a kind of history here. Jeff's down 378 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: one of our broadcast partners. Here the Giants are not 379 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: afraid to put their special teams guys in their punters 380 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: into the booby for John la dead on our stuff 381 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: before too. You know, working with Dave for me was 382 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: to your point. He was so intelligent and he knew 383 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: the rules inside and out, and he said things quietly 384 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: with a soft voice, but they carried so much substance 385 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: with them because you knew that he would not say 386 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: something and be forceful on something unless he really believed it. Yeah, 387 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: and he was very prepared that Dave would be a 388 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: practice all the time Um, Dave was inquisitive. He was 389 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: best buds with Bill Belichick, so he had that pipeline 390 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: to Bill Belichick to pick his brain. UM. And you know, 391 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: now when you listen to or watch a broadcast, it 392 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: is expected that the announcers that you're watching on TV 393 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 1: or you're listening to on the radio know all the rules. 394 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: In fact, the league has gone out of the way 395 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: to have rules seminars for their broadcast partners. UM officials 396 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: will come in during training camp pre COVID and have 397 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: a little seminar like they would do with the players. 398 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: They show you all the new areas of emphasis. Well, 399 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: rewind back, A lot of the broadcasters didn't stay up 400 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: on the rules, know the rules, nor did they have 401 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: the kind of access two things that the NFL now 402 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: provides for their broadcast partners. But Dave Jennings, he was 403 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: really smart because he knew the game. Dave was a 404 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: great athlete as well. Dave knew the game, understood the game. 405 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: But he realized, I think he realized to him He probably, 406 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, to himself, realized, well, what's going to separate 407 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: me from all the other people doing it? Because I'm 408 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: a former punter. So what's gonna separate me? And Dave 409 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: made it his life's work to know every detail of 410 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: just about every rule and have it ready at the 411 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: top of his head when situations arose. Nobody else was 412 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: on top of it like that. People were guys would 413 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: guess in the air, Guys would watch replays and sort 414 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: of try to figure out what was going. Jennings knew 415 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: the rules to a t, so that if something happened, 416 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: you'd look to Dave, and Dave would explain exactly what 417 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: the rule was as if he was reading it out 418 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: of the rule book. That made him a difference maker 419 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: and made him a very important figure in broadcasting because 420 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: I think because he was in New York for all 421 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: those years with the Jets and then with us for 422 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: the with the Giants and the media columnists that would 423 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: listen and watch and everything else, I think they started 424 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: citing that Dave Dave Jennings on Jets Radio and then 425 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: Giants Radio. He had the rule down, he had a cold, 426 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: and I think he put pressure on people who were 427 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: making a lot more money doing it on network TV 428 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: to make sure that they got it right. So I 429 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: think Dave Jennings in a lot of ways changed things 430 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: for people, and Bob. Dave Jennings also one of the 431 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: first hits of what was the original iteration of Big 432 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff, which is Big Blue Hit, which we did 433 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: from the conference room in the Old Giants offices inside 434 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: the Old Giant Stadium. When we first did Big Blue Hits, 435 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: which is basically like a jewry rigged set up, no calls, 436 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: just you know, it was kind of like a podcast 437 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: before a podcast or a podcast, and we did that 438 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: and Dave was one of the first guys I did 439 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: that with, so I always remember that how he helped 440 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: us kind of get this whole thing started. Now, Bob, 441 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: we talked about how Dick Lynch kind of battle through 442 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: his his illness in his final year Unford, and but 443 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: nobody knew, unfortunately, with Dave, who was stricken with Parkinson's disease. 444 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: That's something we all kind of saw happen and go along, 445 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: which was, you know, really sad for all of us 446 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: because we all loved and respected Dave. But he was 447 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: someone that that still showed up and did the best 448 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: he could fighting through. You know, for anyone that's dealt 449 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: with anyone that has Parkinson's, it's just a debilitating disease. 450 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: And you know, people I don't know. Dave was a 451 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: tremendous athlete too, and it just slows you down physically 452 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: your ability to speak and for him to you know, 453 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: he was always sharp. He could knew everything that was 454 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: going on, but sometimes he just had trouble verbalizing it 455 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: because of the Parkinson's And it was just a really 456 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: tough thing for for everybody to go through. But but 457 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: Dave really fought through with his best he couldn't. Yeah, 458 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a tremendous basketball player. He was 459 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: a great athlete. He loved working out before working out 460 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: became chic. Um. He was always tremendous for and they 461 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 1: had to watch the deterioration, but to watch the grace 462 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: and dignity in which he handled all of this, UH, 463 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 1: was an inspiration. And obviously we became very friendly. Um. 464 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: We were very friendly over the years, UM because I 465 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: think he always loved the Giants, and I think the 466 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: fact that the Mara and Tische family when he was 467 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: ridiculously let go by the Jets, immediately added him back 468 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: into the equation, which is why our broadcast booth has 469 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: his picture in it. Here at Mattlive, stadium. It's the 470 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: Dave Jennings broadcast booth and he's giants and jets at work. Yeah, 471 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: and uh, it's pretty cool. Um. I'll give you one funny, 472 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: little quirky thing about Dave Jennings. He was very punctual. 473 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: He was very meticulous in his preparation, his notes. He 474 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: followed a very set routine, and he was obsessed with 475 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: flight time. So whenever we would get on the team 476 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: charter and we'd get on the plane, he would have 477 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: a stopwatch and as soon as the plane lifted off, 478 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: he would hit start is that true? And he would 479 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: run his stopwatch and then to the minute we touched down, 480 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: and he would give you the exact time of the flight, 481 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: because you know, the pilots and flight attendants always come 482 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: on and they say, okay, you know we're flight time 483 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: is an hour and thirty eight minutes or whatever like that, 484 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: and Jennings would be like, no, it's an hour, all right, 485 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: two more thanks before they say goodbye. I couldn't find 486 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: the audio, Bob. I'm gonna still try to find to 487 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: see if I can edit it in before this post. 488 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: But there was I think it was a preseason game 489 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: and it was you, Dick and Dave in the booth together, 490 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: and the officials were just botching calls left and right. 491 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: Some things changed and you guys had got you guys 492 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: just started laughing. And this is something I've seen happening 493 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: with Bob before. Not just on the air, by the way, 494 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: but when you get Bob on something funny and he 495 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: starts laughing, sometimes he can't stop. And I remember that 496 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: you literally can't talk because Dave and Dick made you 497 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: laugh so hard. At one point, Dave through giggles and goes, Bob, 498 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: you gotta get it together. I don't know if you 499 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: remember that. I remember it well. It's even even in 500 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: the TV shows that we do here is usually it's 501 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: tied into fatigue. So if I'm really tired, um, you 502 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: know whatever, you know, because at that time I I was, 503 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: I probably was doing NETS games as well. I was 504 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: doing boxing on ESPN. I mean I had one time 505 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: where I did a boxing match for ESPN and Warez 506 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Mexico on a Friday night. I flew to San Diego 507 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: Friday morning, went into war as Mexico did the fight, 508 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: drove back at a car take me back to the 509 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: airport in San Diego, took a red eye home and 510 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: then did a Giant game on Saturday. I think this 511 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: was a nineties seven when the Giants beat Washington and 512 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: Giants Stadium to win the division. And then that night 513 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: I had a Nets game over at the Meadowlands Arena. 514 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: So I got a little tired. I get a little punchy, 515 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: and because it was a preseason game. Once I get 516 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: going with something that I find funny, it's hard to regroup. 517 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: How many times in the TV studio we had to 518 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: like take a break because I like, all of a sudden, 519 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: I go into this laughing spell. I can't stop it, alright. 520 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: Final think before Zacobay, you talked about a couple of 521 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: the colleagues that we've lost in Dick Lynch and Dave Jennings. 522 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: A producer that I met in the game that we 523 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: went down to. I believe it was Carolina, right, I 524 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: met Tom Tracy, who is your former producer. So Richard 525 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: near down there was obviously still with us on at 526 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: the end. But um, you can talk a little bit 527 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: about Tom and you know who was with you guys 528 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: for a long time producing the games in the booth. 529 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: He was the mother hand he had. He was from 530 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: the South. He came up to New York when he 531 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: was just a kid. Um kind of raised himself, you know, 532 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: lived in Harlem. Uh was in all the speakeasies, nightclubs, whatever. Uh. 533 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: He had unbelievable stories. I really didn't know a ton 534 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: about football. But he worked in the music department at 535 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: w N E W A M. And he was a 536 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: guy that pulled the shows because when the DJs would 537 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: come in to play all that Sinatra music and Ella 538 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and all this other stuff, you know, the the 539 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: Tom Tracy and another guy named Bob Tail, they would 540 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: pull the music for each DJ and here was the 541 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: sequence of carts and songs. The guy was brilliant. He 542 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: was right out of the street. He knew everybody. Um. 543 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: He had a relationship with Mrs Mara, Mrs Anne Mara 544 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: that was second to none. Like sometimes in the hotel 545 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: he would have breakfast with her on a road game. 546 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: But the first game I ever did filling in for 547 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Jim Gordon who was sick, was in Anaheim and nine 548 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: two when the Giants played the Rams. And then I 549 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: got I got to do a game with the Giants 550 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: and Dolphins in Miami and nine and Dick couldn't have 551 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: been better. He treated me like royalty. He knew that 552 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: eventually when Jim Gordon retired that this would be a 553 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: spot for me. Um. He was caring. He was protective, 554 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: but if you crossed him he would m f you. 555 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean he had he had some kind of vocabulary 556 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: and he had phrases that you know, it was hilarious. 557 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: By the way you said Dick, by the way you 558 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: mean Tom right, Yeah, And would always be dressed to 559 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: the nines. He had a little derby hat on the 560 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: goatee and he would he was just he knew everybody. 561 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: Everybody loved Tom Tracy. Um and he was one of 562 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: those characters that just doesn't exist anymore. It's like from 563 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: another era. There'll never be another Tom Tracy. I told 564 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: you we beat all over the map. I was online, 565 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: but it was fun. Thanks Bob John Pleasure. Poppa's Perspective 566 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: brought to you by Bob's diskin of Furniture, the official 567 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: furniture store and Matches partner of the New York Giants. 568 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: That's another episode of Papa's Perspective. Next week we have 569 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: our pick up a bunch of games for this one. 570 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys, it'll be a lot of fun to 571 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: join us next week for another episode of Poppa's perspective 572 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: on the Giants Huddle. Podcast feed