Speaker 1: Sons on the side.
Speaker 2: What's up.
Speaker 3: It's gandhi and I'm here with my girl Diamond say hello, Hi,
Speaker 3: I hate your fake I Hi, good morning. That is
Speaker 3: not what she ever sounds like in real life. In
Speaker 3: real life, you walk by her.
Speaker 1: She's like, what do you want? Oh my god, exactly yet.
Speaker 3: To you, our lovely listener, she says, Hi, do you
Speaker 3: know what I found out?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: So you know? My mom's best friend passed away, very
Speaker 3: very sad. We went to the funeral services over the weekend,
Speaker 3: and there were so many people there who said that
Speaker 3: they listen, and they were quoting different things.
Speaker 1: Oh there were kids, there.
Speaker 3: Were adults, And it made me so uncomfortable because I
Speaker 3: was like, I didn't even think when I was talking
Speaker 3: all this shit on this podcast that y'all would be
Speaker 3: the ones listening. But now I have to really think
Speaker 3: about that the podcast. Yes, Oh no, well you thought
Speaker 3: the show. I was actually surprised though, because you know,
Speaker 3: we always say that radio is for like a certain
Speaker 3: demographic of people. There were so many young people. They're
Speaker 3: like very young, like high school, still in high school,
Speaker 3: going into college. Who and actually my little cousin who's seven, who.
Speaker 1: Are like radio that's so cool. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're confusing with podcasting. I don't know, but either
Speaker 3: way that makes me happy. It was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well now I have to think about what we're saying.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 3: Uh okay, No, I'm like I will. I mean, your
Speaker 3: parents listen all they my dad does? Why is it
Speaker 3: your mom? Why does she hate us?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: My mom Just it's so funny because during the show
Speaker 5: is like her back to sleep time. Like when I
Speaker 5: leave the house in the morning, she gets up to
Speaker 5: make sure that I lock the door because I guess
Speaker 5: I'm just irresponsible.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised by that.
Speaker 5: And she says that, like she never could just go
Speaker 5: right back to sleep, So she's up, she does things
Speaker 5: around the house, and then around like six or seven
Speaker 5: is when she actually falls back asleep, so she just.
Speaker 1: Misses the show. Interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I also told her to stop listening once years ago.
Speaker 5: It was like my second week on the show, and
Speaker 5: she I had a boyfriend at the time, and I
Speaker 5: talked about him and she was like that was so cute,
Speaker 5: and I was like, don't ever listen again.
Speaker 1: How dare you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just weird. I'm like, don't listen. Yes, my
Speaker 5: dad just doesn't say anything unless it's funny. See, I
Speaker 5: appreciate that. Yeah, my mom had a lot of big ideas.
Speaker 5: When she first started.
Speaker 3: Listening, she was really critiquing me about the things I
Speaker 3: would say. She told me not to make fun of
Speaker 3: myself because if I pointed out my weaknesses, other people
Speaker 3: would capitalize on them and maybe HR would realize that
Speaker 3: I was making mistakes.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding?
Speaker 3: HR?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do they exist here?
Speaker 4: I don't?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is she? Yes?
Speaker 5: She?
Speaker 3: But also that's what we do, is we make fun
Speaker 3: of ourselves. And I was like, Mom, you are literally
Speaker 3: like the lead HR person for the United States Postal Service,
Speaker 3: which is a federal agency kind of at the moment,
Speaker 3: I don't think the same rules apply. Also, you literally
Speaker 3: didn't listen to me at all until I moved here,
Speaker 3: So now I don't want this feedback. Yes, sorry, I
Speaker 3: appreciate that you're listening. Now I would like you to stop.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious, Oh yeah, and meanwile my dad's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Half the time, he knows what you're saying. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think he does.
Speaker 3: He can't hear anything, and he won't put his hearing
Speaker 3: aids on. Okay, I think I have told you is
Speaker 3: He asked me one time what butt hurt meant. I
Speaker 3: don't vaguely remember.
Speaker 1: Maybe not.
Speaker 3: He said, I need to explain to me what is
Speaker 3: butt hurt? And I was like, oh, it's you know,
Speaker 3: like when somebody really hurts your feelings. And he said, ah,
Speaker 3: so like emotional sodomy.
Speaker 1: So you did not especially, that is a very good
Speaker 1: way to put it.
Speaker 3: It's funny, he's insane. I love people think it's a joke.
Speaker 3: It is not a joke anyway. I digress. Oh, oh,
Speaker 3: do you know what I found out?
Speaker 1: He did? What?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Somehow, some way? And I know it's because he's doing
Speaker 3: some shady things on his phone, not anything pervy, but
Speaker 3: I know he's on like dark web political websites doing
Speaker 3: crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Oh, he somehow got a FaceTime call from somebody he
Speaker 3: didn't know, so he answered it one strike one, why
Speaker 3: would you ever do that? But he said it was
Speaker 3: two people and they were speaking Spanish, and then they
Speaker 3: said something to him with his last name in it,
Speaker 3: so obviously they knew who he was.
Speaker 4: What is this.
Speaker 3: What is this? I said, Dad, just hang up the phone.
Speaker 3: He called me right after it happened. Should I call
Speaker 3: him back? I said, absolutely not, hang up the phone,
Speaker 3: block the number. Just don't don't respond to this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. Asked me what he did? Oh god, he
Speaker 3: called T Mobile to report it. I said, who did
Speaker 3: you talk to? What what he called someone to? I said,
Speaker 3: you called people? He said, oh yeah, every time I
Speaker 3: get a spam call, I called T Mobiles And what
Speaker 3: are they gonna do about?
Speaker 1: That's what I said. I said, Oh no, Dad, those
Speaker 1: people with T Mobile hate you. He said no they don't.
Speaker 3: They said, thank you so much, sir, we appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I said, okay, you do your due, diligent citizen. You
Speaker 3: report every spam call. Oh my god, I want to
Speaker 3: block him. When he called me about that, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh what.
Speaker 1: The man is crazy? Like, how do you tell on spammers?
Speaker 1: Nobody does? They called me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, the best is one they call from an
Speaker 3: unknown number. I'm like, so you reported that someone called
Speaker 3: you from a unknown number?
Speaker 1: Mobile steps.
Speaker 3: I called my sister immediately. I said, do you know
Speaker 3: what your father's doing? He's reporting every spam call to
Speaker 3: T Mobile.
Speaker 1: This is hilarious. What's her reaction?
Speaker 3: She said, don't tell me this stuff. He calls you
Speaker 3: for a reason. He doesn't call me because he knows
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like, are you kidding? Goodbye?
Speaker 3: You entertained? She said, you entertained this shit, and that's
Speaker 3: why you get it. I'm like, I will always entertain
Speaker 3: this because that's funny.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's why my dad says things to
Speaker 1: me that he doesn't say to my sister because she
Speaker 1: doesn't entertain it. She's just like, wow, daddy, Wow, that's it.
Speaker 3: She's the older one. Yeah, see, you're with the shits.
Speaker 3: The youngest ones are with the ships. The oldest ones
Speaker 3: are like enough, Yeah, I'm gonna handle this.
Speaker 1: Are you insane? Please explain? Walk me through this?
Speaker 5: Like he stole the he stole the Oh you go
Speaker 5: to Red Lobster, you get shrimp the uh things that
Speaker 5: they is that what it's called that they put Yes,
Speaker 5: they put the uh totter sauce in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: He took my grandfather out to eat this weekend and
Speaker 5: came home with three of them. And I'm like, how
Speaker 5: did you come home with three?
Speaker 1: Where do you put them in?
Speaker 2: To go?
Speaker 5: Back.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, but like three of them come on seriously.
Speaker 3: So when I used to work at Ruby's Tuesday back
Speaker 3: in the day, I don't even know if any are
Speaker 3: still open. That was like the number one most stolen item.
Speaker 3: People steal ramigans because if you think about it, where
Speaker 3: do you really buy a ramikin? You can order them
Speaker 3: now if you really want too, sure you can go
Speaker 3: order some. But it's just one of those things. We're like,
Speaker 3: I only need like one or two of these at home.
Speaker 3: I could just take it from here. He steeves no,
Speaker 3: and then I have a bunch of buy apartments.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Then he goes all right, pass it to me, like
Speaker 5: he's like throwing his plate away, and.
Speaker 1: I had it in my hand.
Speaker 5: I was like, what the hell is this? He's like,
Speaker 5: pass it to me. I'm throwing them out anyway.
Speaker 1: You stole them to throw them out, Henry, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a lunatic.
Speaker 3: Oh but you can also ordered to go cups so
Speaker 3: that they're you know, disposable, which I don't know which
Speaker 3: is worse.
Speaker 5: I think he just wanted to be like a criminal
Speaker 5: for a second and it made him feel good in whatever.
Speaker 3: And now we're talking about you, Henry Ye, would you
Speaker 3: like to name the establishment from which he sold it?
Speaker 5: Was it? Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought you were just using that as an example.
Speaker 1: No oh no, see I wasn't smart enough to do that.
Speaker 1: Red Lobster. Keep your eye out for the Coopers, Oh god, Covin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's payback, pay back to them.
Speaker 3: Okay, So today is the episode that we promised you
Speaker 3: last week with Crystal Kung Min Goff, who I really
Speaker 3: like m I shouldn't have said that before the interview,
Speaker 3: because you should make a decision for yourself. Diamond, as
Speaker 3: somebody who watches all of the shows, did you like
Speaker 3: her more before or after?
Speaker 1: Or did it not make any difference?
Speaker 5: It didn't make a difference. I'm kind of eh on
Speaker 5: her just as a human being. She seems really nice.
Speaker 5: The right on her because she didn't bring the drama
Speaker 5: that I wanted on the show, which you know, it's like,
Speaker 5: I think that should tell you about who she is
Speaker 5: as a person.
Speaker 1: Like you're a good person.
Speaker 5: You don't really live for the drama the way the
Speaker 5: other women do.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 3: Okay, well we'll get to the bottom of some of that.
Speaker 3: Here she is, Hello, Hi, how are you doing good?
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of stuff to talk to you about, okay,
Speaker 3: but specifically, we're going to start with the way you'r
Speaker 3: Wikipedia bio reads, which is best known for being a
Speaker 3: full time cast member of three seasons of the Real
Speaker 3: Housewives of Beverly Hills. Is that how you would like
Speaker 3: to be remembered or memorialized on your Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. Before I started the show, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, that's my biggest nightmare to be remembered by that.
Speaker 1: But now that I'm, you know, on this side of it,
Speaker 1: I really think of it as an honor. It was
Speaker 1: really fun. It was a chapter of my life. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the like on my epitath or
Speaker 1: you know, my you know, but that's part of me.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm a mom, a wife, I a co
Speaker 1: founder of Real Cocoa, a coconut water company that I'm
Speaker 1: very proud of, and now co host of Humble Brag,
Speaker 1: which I actually wish is gonna be like my top
Speaker 1: tier one because I love it so much.
Speaker 3: And Humble Bragg is the podcast that you're doing with
Speaker 3: Cynthia Bailey ye correct. Yeah, okay, so I want to
Speaker 3: get all the details on that. But before we actually
Speaker 3: started recording, you said something that was pretty cool, and
Speaker 3: that was that you grew up really watching the Housewives
Speaker 3: and never thought you were going to be one. How
Speaker 3: did this all come about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I grew up. I grew up in LA
Speaker 1: but I went to college Orange County where it started,
Speaker 1: and I just remember just watching these women were so
Speaker 1: insane and like I didn't really relate to any of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm like a Chinese kid, you know, pre
Speaker 1: med and they're like this wild white women, you know,
Speaker 1: going crazy and white women. I would watch that show.
Speaker 1: We can do it, we can produce together. And so
Speaker 1: it's like I remember getting the call. I got the
Speaker 1: call end of March twenty twenty, so I always remember
Speaker 1: because Lockdown started a week prior. So I was just
Speaker 1: like sitting in my couch in the dark. I didn't
Speaker 1: turn the lights on because I was like, oh, we
Speaker 1: have to save money, electricity. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: world is imploding and I'm getting this call and it
Speaker 1: was like, are you interested in interviewing? I was like no,
Speaker 1: like no way, because and I have Olwitch watched the
Speaker 1: shows and I just was like, I'm not that person.
Speaker 1: But through a lot of convincing and conversation I ended
Speaker 1: up saying yes six months later and yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a crazy experience, and yeah, you never think I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess there's someone out there who like always thought
Speaker 1: about it, probably lobbied for it. Probably, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that exists a lot. My world wasn't like that. I
Speaker 1: knew Teddy Mellencamp through like Mommy Me Group. So whenever
Speaker 1: you're on the season, they ask you to sort of
Speaker 1: like give a list of friends that you would think
Speaker 1: that or that people that you know in your world
Speaker 1: that might be interested. So she put my name down
Speaker 1: and she called me. It was like, I think you
Speaker 1: should really interview. I think that like they want you
Speaker 1: on the show, and like, well, I don't like you
Speaker 1: just when you don't think about it. It's not something
Speaker 1: you lean into right away. It takes a lot of
Speaker 1: convincing and yeah, you got you gotta get through it.
Speaker 3: So I think it would be very intimidating and probably terrifying.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't really consider the editing. I just watched
Speaker 1: it like an audience member, you know. So now I
Speaker 1: know how the sausage is made. But like I didn't
Speaker 1: really watch it, Like I wasn't a diehard like that.
Speaker 1: I love them, but I didn't really think of it
Speaker 1: like that. I just thought that's how they acted, so
Speaker 1: like I don't act like that, you know, And then
Speaker 1: you realize, like when you're in it, they draw it
Speaker 1: out of you. And of course there's editing, but in
Speaker 1: alcohol sometimes and alcohol, but like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know that for I would say for Beverly Hills, that
Speaker 1: wasn't a massive part of it, like and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like negative. We would the girls don't drink like that,
Speaker 1: and it seemed really scary.
Speaker 3: So Andrew has a question about the process before you
Speaker 3: go on the show.
Speaker 6: Okay, is there psych testing before? Like do you have
Speaker 6: to get an evaluation? Make sure you're like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pad, yeah, I think that's standard for any show
Speaker 1: that you join, whether it's reality or scripted.
Speaker 3: You're telling me all these reality stars have past psych evaluations.
Speaker 1: It's like a thirty minute phone call, so that's why.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they do that, but you don't really call
Speaker 1: them when you're stressed because you're always stressed out, so
Speaker 1: you call your friends. You don't really call this psych
Speaker 1: lady on the other end of the phone.
Speaker 6: So there's like a doctor on staff that you're if like, oh,
Speaker 6: you're feeling stressed, called this person type of deal.
Speaker 1: She just was like, I'm around if you need So,
Speaker 1: how did it change your life?
Speaker 3: Because you didn't really think about doing something like this,
Speaker 3: then you get a call and now you're three seasons in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally changed my life. I'd be lying if
Speaker 1: I said it didn't it. Also, it's really intense when
Speaker 1: it's happening, when you're filming, when it's airing, so like
Speaker 1: now that I'm off of it, it's like I every
Speaker 1: day goes by, I'm like, oh, yeah, that happened.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like the chapter kits farther and farther. But it's
Speaker 1: a mix. There's highs and lows about it. You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously the highs are like you get a lot of fun,
Speaker 1: you know, do a lot of fun things, more things.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been married to Rob for so long,
Speaker 1: so in the business I've gotten to go to a
Speaker 1: lot of amazing parties and whatever. But then when it's
Speaker 1: like now my invitation, that's kind of fun too, Like
Speaker 1: it's a totally different world. So Rob gets to join
Speaker 1: me and he's like, oh, this is so fun.
Speaker 3: You know when you say, Rob, we're talking about your husband.
Speaker 3: Husband brought Minkoff, you want to talk about the Lion
Speaker 3: King connection, because I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So yeah, as my husband is Rob Minkoff, he directed
Speaker 1: the original Lion King. No big deal, no big deal.
Speaker 1: And he's a giant child. He has like not age,
Speaker 1: she will not age. He just has just like stuck
Speaker 1: as like a twelve year old boy. We all are
Speaker 1: no offense gentlemen in the room. It's a good thing.
Speaker 1: And then both give thumbs up. Yeah exactly. It's amazing
Speaker 1: when you have kids because he's just like the ultimate dad.
Speaker 1: So it's so much fun. But yeah, so it's just
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. The negatives social media of course,
Speaker 1: and then people sort of you know, the audience and
Speaker 1: it's not their fault, like they only see what they see,
Speaker 1: so their judgment and reaction is solely based on that,
Speaker 1: and it's very intense. And I think when I started,
Speaker 1: it sounded like, you know, I have all the producers
Speaker 1: and the cast sort of like sharing like their experiences
Speaker 1: in the years past. I think because it was you know,
Speaker 1: during COVID and everyone was really watching a lot of
Speaker 1: TV and stuff and on social media, it just ramped.
Speaker 3: Up't have anything to do, so that's plenty of time
Speaker 3: to talk.
Speaker 1: That's right, It's right. So you know that part is
Speaker 1: tough because you know, you expose yourself in a way
Speaker 1: that and I also I am exposed to a whole
Speaker 1: new community out there, a very broad community. I am
Speaker 1: like a West Coast La Chinese girl. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: now you know, race and all those things are being
Speaker 1: talked about. It was like I just wasn't used to that.
Speaker 3: And then here come the Jerseys fans. Yeah, are a
Speaker 3: wild pack of people.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's all different, but it was. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was an amazing experience.
Speaker 3: How did it impact your relationship with your friends and
Speaker 3: your family?
Speaker 1: Oh god, well that was up and down. You know
Speaker 1: my fourteen Friends saga, which never got ever kind of
Speaker 1: deal dealt with on the show.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about the fourteen friend saga for
Speaker 3: the people who don't know what that is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, happy too. So when I started the show,
Speaker 1: I had a group of friends that were not supportive,
Speaker 1: and they essentially dropped me fourteen of them I made up.
Speaker 1: I sort of said the number fourteen to Lisa Renna,
Speaker 1: and it was like an arbitrary number because I was
Speaker 1: sort of explaining it that it felt so big, like
Speaker 1: I have like fourteen friends that won't talk to me now.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a made up number, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't one, you know, And it never went farther
Speaker 1: than that on the show because it was about the show. Sure,
Speaker 1: so it's breaking the fourth wall. So it was kind
Speaker 1: of like touched on and mysterious, like why did Crystal
Speaker 1: lose friends? It was about the show, so we just
Speaker 1: sort of no one talked about it because they knew
Speaker 1: it was about the show. And then you the other
Speaker 1: side of it is like you have the most incredible
Speaker 1: like your best friends really show up and show out
Speaker 1: for you. They filmed with me. I'm doing Watch It
Speaker 1: Happens Live tonight. They're like they're in town to come
Speaker 1: with me. They did Taco Tuesday. You'll see that crew,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, and they really are super supportive
Speaker 1: every time, like I have to go in it's my turn.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's my turn tonight. I have to
Speaker 1: like you know, argue with someone. They like root me on,
Speaker 1: like you can do it. So, yeah, it's the whole gamut,
Speaker 1: the whole gamut, and my family super supportive. You have
Speaker 1: to have very important Yes, you have to in this experience.
Speaker 1: Like if they're not into it, they don't really like
Speaker 1: want to be on the show, but they're like, this
Speaker 1: is your choice, Like we're all in.
Speaker 3: So the fourteen friends, Yeah, have you talked to any
Speaker 3: of them since some Do you want them back in
Speaker 3: your life? Or are you kind of like, you know
Speaker 3: what if you can't do this with me? Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: not shooting in the gym, you're out now.
Speaker 1: It's like what do they say, like show me who
Speaker 1: you are? Like they show you or believe them? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm done. That's wild. It's wild.
Speaker 3: Was it the show itself that they didn't like or
Speaker 3: what was it about that experience that made them?
Speaker 1: I actually think it's I think it's kind of a
Speaker 1: broader sort of idea of like when someone does well
Speaker 1: or successor or outside of the box that they've put
Speaker 1: you in, that it makes them uncomfortable and it's really
Speaker 1: about them, not me. But at the time, because I'm
Speaker 1: such a people pleaser, I really made it about me.
Speaker 1: And I really I talk about it. I'd have a
Speaker 1: whole episode about on the podcast, but I literally was
Speaker 1: I dumbed myself down on the show. I quieted myself
Speaker 1: because I was so uncomfortable about coming out on this,
Speaker 1: like like being big on the show to like appease them,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's very complicated, but it's life lessons
Speaker 1: and you know, I came out of it and much stronger,
Speaker 1: and I my boundaries are much clearer.
Speaker 3: So you are Chinese, I am Chinese, I am Indian. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think correct me if I'm wrong. Was any of
Speaker 3: this related to cultural norms with you? Because with Indian
Speaker 3: people there is definitely this notion of don't stand out,
Speaker 3: don't try to get the spotlight, being the attention zone.
Speaker 1: You don't want that.
Speaker 3: You just want to blend in, do really well at
Speaker 3: what you're doing, and move on. You don't want to
Speaker 3: be in entertainment. Was any of that a part of
Speaker 3: the friend circle?
Speaker 1: So I would say that is exactly how I felt,
Speaker 1: just personally, whether it was yes or no for me
Speaker 1: doing the show. I think that's why you don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of Asian people on TV, especially in reality.
Speaker 1: We're taught to put your head down, work hard, don't
Speaker 1: make waves, don't create attention. And so I remember at
Speaker 1: the time this okay, I got asked, you know, Midsummer
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, this was height of BLM anti Asian hate
Speaker 1: crimes are happening, and I remember asking the producers like
Speaker 1: how many Asian people are, like are you interviewing with me?
Speaker 1: And like you're it? And I said to my husband like,
Speaker 1: if I don't say yes, that is one less Asian
Speaker 1: person who's going to be on TV for representation. And
Speaker 1: I remember I had the weight of the world on
Speaker 1: my shoulders. I was so stressed out, but I also
Speaker 1: felt like it was vital. My mom like locked herself
Speaker 1: in her house for three weeks because they were just
Speaker 1: randomly attacking Asian people at that time, and I just
Speaker 1: felt this kind of the universe was pushing me at
Speaker 1: this time. I think I said yes, it was like
Speaker 1: the world brought it to me at the right time.
Speaker 1: In terms of the friends. I hope not. I hope
Speaker 1: not that that was the reason. I'm going to just
Speaker 1: lean into that that that's not what it was, because
Speaker 1: that would be too devastating. I mean, I just feel
Speaker 1: like it was based on them, just you know, putting
Speaker 1: being outside the box of what they wanted from me
Speaker 1: or expected from me. But yeah, their business. But you
Speaker 1: think that, you think that, But yeah, no, people they
Speaker 1: show their true colors when things like this happen, and
Speaker 1: you just have to respond to that.
Speaker 3: You're very well put together for the wild ride, I
Speaker 3: would imagine it was over. I don't really want to
Speaker 3: do this. Holy crap, I'm on this ride now and
Speaker 3: everything's happening. How do you feel you represented yourself and
Speaker 3: the Asian culture?
Speaker 1: Wow? Well, I try not to have regrets, but I
Speaker 1: do look back on wishing I was more outspoken and
Speaker 1: less scared. But I did have a lot of that
Speaker 1: fear influence on me. I think saying yes to begin
Speaker 1: with was already a lot as a Chinese person. But
Speaker 1: I remember telling the producers, I said, it's so important
Speaker 1: that I get to share my culture on the show.
Speaker 1: That's why I did making Dumpling Nights, I hosted Chinese
Speaker 1: New Year. They allowed all those moments for me, and
Speaker 1: I just like because they always, you know, they always
Speaker 1: wanted to really fancy so like, what about your chef,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't have a chef. I on
Speaker 1: the show cold Dumbling. That's why I'm actually a chef,
Speaker 1: so like that's what I do. And my first event
Speaker 1: was dumpling making in my kitchen, very casual, but I said,
Speaker 1: this is who I am as a real person, and
Speaker 1: it's really important. I'm going to do all the other
Speaker 1: stuff that you need me to do, but like if
Speaker 1: I can have these couple things like that would be
Speaker 1: really great. And then they let me have my first
Speaker 1: year the finale party, which was a big deal. They
Speaker 1: don't usually do finales for first time cast members, and
Speaker 1: I got to close it out with Chinese New Year
Speaker 1: and that was really special and all the girls there
Speaker 1: was a lot of inviting per usual, but they were
Speaker 1: so respectful. It was like my mom was there, Marshall
Speaker 1: her boyfriend was there, and I just said, like, this
Speaker 1: is really really special for me, and if you guys
Speaker 1: could just show up in a way that's you're not
Speaker 1: going to ruin it.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: So when you say you were sort of operating under
Speaker 3: some fear, what what were you scared of?
Speaker 1: I think you know, being Asian, it's you want to
Speaker 1: represent not you know, it's not just about you, it's
Speaker 1: about your kids, your family, your parents, your grandparents, and
Speaker 1: then beyond that, it's the whole community, right being Chinese
Speaker 1: being yeah, yes, and like I wanted to be perfect
Speaker 1: for everybody. I wanted them to feel proud of what
Speaker 1: they're seeing. And what's scary is that it's a show
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily designed to make you look good. Oh
Speaker 1: I don't think so, right, so, you know, but it
Speaker 1: was It's not like I was an actress, had other opportunities.
Speaker 1: It just kind of came to me and it just
Speaker 1: felt like this was my moment to do this. But
Speaker 1: I really, really, you know, I really worked hard to
Speaker 1: try and represent properly. But it took such an emotional
Speaker 1: toll on me because my husband was like, you are
Speaker 1: not every Chinese person. You are. There are a billion
Speaker 1: of there's them, correct, And he's like he was my guide,
Speaker 1: you know, they're this whole thing. And he's like, there's
Speaker 1: just you. You're a singular person. You happen to be Chinese,
Speaker 1: you happen to be very much ingrained in your culture,
Speaker 1: and you have I'm a Jewish man. We have half
Speaker 1: Jewish kids and Chinese kids, and like this is who
Speaker 1: we are, and like you just can represent yourself, be yourself,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And I'm like, okay, of course that
Speaker 1: was like I don't know if I took you the advice,
Speaker 1: but I tried and that was really helpful. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I really had the weight of the world
Speaker 1: on my shoulders and that's on me. I mean that
Speaker 1: was just my personal feeling. But no, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: overall happy. I just wish I was louder, okay, stronger.
Speaker 3: You have a podcast and you have a chance to
Speaker 3: be as loud as you want to. Yeah, anytime you
Speaker 3: want to, that's right. What made you leave the show?
Speaker 1: Well, it was just time for on both sides. But
Speaker 1: I you know, that's it. It was just time.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't I will. They're gonna have
Speaker 3: to drag me out of here, even if they tell
Speaker 3: me like it's time. So I'm always impressed when people
Speaker 3: make a decision for themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't me. It was a conversation. It was
Speaker 1: definitely like I was heading into the four my fourth season,
Speaker 1: and it was a few conversations with the network and
Speaker 1: the producers, and ultimately it just didn't work out. And
Speaker 1: that's where I am. That was the close of that chapter, but.
Speaker 3: It has sent you on a path that you are
Speaker 3: interested in pursuing. Yes, which is your cocoa water, cocoa real.
Speaker 1: Real coco, real, coca real coca. But I've had real
Speaker 1: coca for thirteen years. Oh so well before this, well
Speaker 1: before okay, yeah, did it get a little boost from
Speaker 1: so I will say, you know, I was actually very
Speaker 1: protective of the brand, so I didn't show it too much.
Speaker 1: I would you know, the girls wanted to drink it.
Speaker 1: They were very interested in the brand. They would drink it.
Speaker 1: Other than that, we did not chow it at all
Speaker 1: because it had been an established brand for ten years,
Speaker 1: and you know, you have to be careful, like there's
Speaker 1: like house brands and there's real brands, and I just
Speaker 1: wasn't quite sure where it was going to go. And
Speaker 1: I have a team investors. I mean, it's a company.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I would say it's really fun to
Speaker 1: like I always wanted it to be a name brand,
Speaker 1: and so the show definitely people were like they started
Speaker 1: to make the connection, but no, I didn't bring it
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: What I think is interesting is you have this successful
Speaker 3: company for a decade and you're labeled a housewife.
Speaker 1: What in the hell. It's very odd. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think what people don't really realize, and the girls don't
Speaker 1: get enough credit, is that it really is a career.
Speaker 1: Being a housewife is not just a housewife. And I really,
Speaker 1: despite whatever issues I had with some of the women
Speaker 1: and we were not aligned necessarily in our values or whatever,
Speaker 1: all of them work very hard. It is a full
Speaker 1: time job and they deserve every penny they make because
Speaker 1: it's really hard. It seems like it. Yeah, it's a job.
Speaker 1: Social media on its own, people should be paid to
Speaker 1: deal with the abuse. Yeah, I say from personal experience,
Speaker 1: it's wild. It is wild.
Speaker 3: Are you just sitting there?
Speaker 1: Like, are you kidding me? What is going on right now?
Speaker 3: I say all the time, I will block the shit
Speaker 3: out of hell. Yeah, because my page is not a democracy.
Speaker 1: It is a dictator, that's right.
Speaker 2: And if you.
Speaker 3: Are not one of my people, get.
Speaker 1: Out of here. It's crazy. Like, don't they have jobs. No,
Speaker 1: I don't even do it. I want to do what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They have all the time to come at
Speaker 1: me like I want your.
Speaker 3: Job, also, like you're coming at me. There's so much
Speaker 3: other stuff to be coming out at the moment.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you.
Speaker 3: Right, please, what is the rest of your life? Like yeah,
Speaker 3: andrew your other questions, do.
Speaker 6: You feel like anxious before going to certain scenes? Like
Speaker 6: if you know, like O, yes, they're going to bring this.
Speaker 1: Up, you answer yes that I'm tilling. My girlfriends have
Speaker 1: to like pep talk me like you walk in knowing
Speaker 1: what it's going to be about. It's not random because
Speaker 1: you know to show oh right, and so whatever topic
Speaker 1: it was yesterday, it's still the same topic. Right. It's
Speaker 1: because there's a through line, right, and no one's saying
Speaker 1: it's a through line. You just know that. Like if
Speaker 1: someone was finding yesterday, we have to ask, or if
Speaker 1: you weren't there, like you're asking what happened? You know, No,
Speaker 1: even if it's not about me, I'm like so stressed out,
Speaker 1: like oh my god, I have to ask them why
Speaker 1: did that is happening? Like it's not normal to do that,
Speaker 1: you know, But you got to move story along because
Speaker 1: then you would just be watching hours of people sitting
Speaker 1: there not talking right, or just talking about their kids
Speaker 1: like no one cares, you know, reasonable yeah, reasonable, yeah,
Speaker 1: like normal conversations. So yes, it was highly stressful. I
Speaker 1: actually loved hosting because then you kind of like get
Speaker 1: in there without like I'm sorry, I have to go
Speaker 1: get the chicken. And I remember my first year because
Speaker 1: I went to culinary school and so like food is
Speaker 1: my thing, and I became sort of the in house bartender.
Speaker 1: So I would just like, do you guys want to drink?
Speaker 1: I'm just make everyone drinks. And the producer came around
Speaker 1: to me, he goes, I know exactly what you're doing.
Speaker 1: This is your last drink of the season. You cannot
Speaker 1: make one more. Get back on the couch and get
Speaker 1: in there. I'm like, okay, So I was like the
Speaker 1: slowest drink I've ever made in my life. But yes,
Speaker 1: it's so stressful, it's so scary.
Speaker 6: Uh like retrain your brain afterwards, So like, okay, I'm
Speaker 6: in like a safe spot. This is just a dinner.
Speaker 6: Like I trust you, we're good. We're not gonna argue tonight.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's adorable, and no, you can never not
Speaker 1: fight and so no, so now you can retrain your
Speaker 1: brain all you want, but you won't get to walk
Speaker 1: away not having it out. And it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a big blowout. It just something needs to be
Speaker 1: put on the table. And I just don't want to
Speaker 1: be the one to do that, except if it's a drink.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: So post filming, though, how long does it take you
Speaker 3: to kind of decompress and get back to Hey, this
Speaker 3: is my real life and I'm not going into this
Speaker 3: dinner about to fight with someone or throw a drink
Speaker 3: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't do that off camera even when I
Speaker 1: was filming it. I seem like a drink thrower. I'm not.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm really cheap, So I would never like
Speaker 1: waste a drink. Yeah, I would not, you know, it
Speaker 1: isn't really we laugh out loud. It's okay, I'm very
Speaker 1: very cheap, she was pointing at her public. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: very cheap and yeah, so yeah, no, you know what.
Speaker 1: That was my first year because it was COVID. I
Speaker 1: couldn't see my friends. You know, we were very much
Speaker 1: like a bubble on the show because they didn't want
Speaker 1: you getting you know, we had a film every day,
Speaker 1: so you can't like go and decompress with your friends.
Speaker 1: So that that first season felt very stressful for me
Speaker 1: because it's all I had. It was like filming and
Speaker 1: then I go home to nothing like my family but
Speaker 1: it was like lockdown. And then after I ended up
Speaker 1: going out so much more like we'd literally finish a
Speaker 1: dinner scene and I text my friends like meet me out,
Speaker 1: to meet me out right now, because I needed to
Speaker 1: see them to feel like, Okay, this is normal. Yeah
Speaker 1: that was not normal. So I think my problem was
Speaker 1: that I separated them so much. And I think the
Speaker 1: producers are like, we really need you, like this is
Speaker 1: all one real life moment for you. I'm like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I need to like I don't do that, I do this.
Speaker 1: But then towards the end, I was blending because it
Speaker 1: takes time to get to know the girls. So for
Speaker 1: me it was just more of like opening up to
Speaker 1: them and getting to know them. But for me when
Speaker 1: it was all over, when I didn't go back for
Speaker 1: my fourth season, I would say it was two weeks
Speaker 1: of like what is happening? And then that was it.
Speaker 1: I know for most girls it's a lot longer of
Speaker 1: a transition. I think it becomes their whole life.
Speaker 3: Oh, we know some people that it is their whole life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: even when they're not doing whatever show they're doing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they're talking to you, you're kind.
Speaker 1: Of like, eh, yeah, yeah, what is this? What are
Speaker 1: you sending me? It's happening right now. It's becomes your
Speaker 1: life in it. But I'm, like I said, I was
Speaker 1: able to separate that that this is something that I'm experiencing,
Speaker 1: and so I got to just kind of jump back
Speaker 1: into my normal life, which is really like being a
Speaker 1: mom and driving the kids to sports and stuff. And
Speaker 1: I didn't do that for a couple of years, and
Speaker 1: they weren't really used to that, Like they were very sad,
Speaker 1: like where are you? You know? And my kids would say,
Speaker 1: can you get a regular job? Like why I actually
Speaker 1: have a regular job. You just didn't know because you're
Speaker 1: at school, and like now my job is like going
Speaker 1: out to dinner. It's like they didn't really get it
Speaker 1: because they never seen the show. So yeah's just going
Speaker 1: back to like the hustle of my regular life, which
Speaker 1: is very busy, but I love.
Speaker 3: I have to say, I've had a few housewives through here,
Speaker 3: and we encounter them all the time because we live
Speaker 3: in New York.
Speaker 1: New Jersey.
Speaker 3: It seems to me that you're just too hinged to
Speaker 3: be doing like of all of them. I genuinely I'm
Speaker 3: not just saying this because you're here right now. I
Speaker 3: would want to hang out with you the most.
Speaker 1: You're so sie.
Speaker 3: This seems like you seem like a very fun, well versed, cultured,
Speaker 3: well read person who can separate the two and have
Speaker 3: a good time. But still, you know, show up and
Speaker 3: do what you need to do and then get out
Speaker 3: of there.
Speaker 1: I don't think that works for them, but maybe that's
Speaker 1: why they're great housewives. You know, Unhinged is fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And I always say, if you had eight of me,
Speaker 1: you would have like Shark Tank or something like it
Speaker 1: would be like not being out Lives, you know, it's
Speaker 1: my favorite show. Yeah, there we go. If anyone out there,
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to do Shark Tank. But
Speaker 1: do you have a business that you're trying to get
Speaker 1: out there? Well, you know real Coco's already there, So
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just create ones be on the show. But
Speaker 1: thank you for saying that, And I think that, yeah.
Speaker 1: I always say that, like that's I have to give
Speaker 1: flowers when it's due. And like those iconic housewives, I
Speaker 1: imagine like they're so big it's because they're probably just
Speaker 1: really hinged. Yeah, and they really you're not wasting it,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's boring, you know. So I think that
Speaker 1: the ones that go all in, I can see how
Speaker 1: it becomes their whole world. I'm also I've been with
Speaker 1: Rob for twenty two years. Like I've I've sort of
Speaker 1: been married to like watching the business. I've never been
Speaker 1: in it at all. I just was like on the
Speaker 1: arm of it. But I think that helped me gain
Speaker 1: more perspective heading in. I like, I think when you
Speaker 1: become a house like the sort of the average trajectory
Speaker 1: is like you just jump in and you're like, you
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to look like. I spent so
Speaker 1: much time researching and I watched the show, but I
Speaker 1: watched with different eyes. I talked to my husband's agent,
Speaker 1: I talked to it. I mean, like, I really did
Speaker 1: a lot of research and prep work, which why I
Speaker 1: think I was so timid and scared the hinged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just h tightly wound, my husband would say. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but that was just that's who I am. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a super free spirit. I'm super open when I'm comfortable. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm very relaxed here. This is really like something I
Speaker 1: love to do. I love podcasts, I love chatting, but
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna like yell at me about something.
Speaker 3: So well maybe yeah, maybe, well I don't know, but
Speaker 3: you're the one that gets all the yelling when we
Speaker 3: talk about hinged versus unhinged.
Speaker 1: This man is unhinged. Well, maybe he'd be the next
Speaker 1: house site. He'd be great at that.
Speaker 3: He'd just put up a little sign at his cubicle
Speaker 3: that says a bully free zone or no bully zone.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 6: It's bullyfree zone.
Speaker 3: Immediately immediately by Diamond. By the way, would you do
Speaker 3: reality TV again?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I do get this question, and my initial
Speaker 1: is like no, just say no. But if I said
Speaker 1: no from the start to do Housewives, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to be sitting here and having my own platform now.
Speaker 1: And so you know what, I never say never. I
Speaker 1: just don't. That's not what I'm aiming for. But that's
Speaker 1: not what I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: And there's all kinds of different reality TV. It could be,
Speaker 3: you know, like a physical challenge type thing.
Speaker 1: It's survivor The Traders Love Traders? Do you love Traders?
Speaker 1: Because I'm really like in term my brain is like
Speaker 1: like I think I would be really gone on Traders yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's put it into the universe right now.
Speaker 3: Then if that's what you want to do, right I
Speaker 3: I think I would only do well on Traders if
Speaker 3: I immediately got chosen to be a trader.
Speaker 1: Really I need to be a trader. I feel like
Speaker 1: being a trader would feel less stressful in the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think going into the season every day would
Speaker 1: get harder, every hour, get harder to keep that lie up.
Speaker 1: But I think initially it would feel like more grounding
Speaker 1: because you know what's going on. But then as you know,
Speaker 1: when you watch, you see like traders turn on each
Speaker 1: other and da da dah. It's like it's such a gameplay.
Speaker 1: But I love it. You know, the show is based
Speaker 1: on villagers and wolves, which is just a fun game
Speaker 1: at home, and it's like someone closes their eyes and
Speaker 1: there's always like a mafia. It's like mafia. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I play those my friends. So then when I
Speaker 1: saw the show, was like, oh, they stole my show,
Speaker 1: Like I love this show totally. But if we're putting
Speaker 1: things into the universe, yes, I don't. I never think
Speaker 1: is reality. But I did go to culinary school, and
Speaker 1: so a food show, a travel show like that is,
Speaker 1: I would say that I would be leaning towards intentionally.
Speaker 1: Do you want to host it? Or do you want
Speaker 1: to compete? Like could you do chopped?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I could?
Speaker 1: You could?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in my head I could do it
Speaker 3: all the time. And then they present like a flower,
Speaker 3: I'm I.
Speaker 2: Going to cook that.
Speaker 1: You could do it? You could do it. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what this one item is the protein? What
Speaker 1: is that? Is it like a clam? Is it a snail?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, So I went to culinary school
Speaker 1: when I was in my late twenties just for fun.
Speaker 1: I just did it because I just loved food, and
Speaker 1: what's a school for fun? I just did I would
Speaker 1: So I went to a French culinary school. And what
Speaker 1: I loved about it was it wasn't like you just
Speaker 1: learned French recipes. It's and I was a science major.
Speaker 1: I was a biology major. And it's really the science
Speaker 1: of food is culinary school. That's how I read it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, here is your protein, here's your heat source,
Speaker 1: here's your liquiord or dry, and this is what equates
Speaker 1: to it's literally a science project. All the flavors, all
Speaker 1: that stuff, is really just like that's your art. If
Speaker 1: you want to make it tie, you're going to use
Speaker 1: cafir lime and you're going to use basil and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. If you want to do Mexican, you're going
Speaker 1: to use those ingredients. But it's really a science of
Speaker 1: heat source and how to apply it to a protein
Speaker 1: or vegetable and then what comes out of it.
Speaker 3: You make it sound so reasonable, I will in that kitchen.
Speaker 1: Is that way too, Hitch?
Speaker 3: It is The level of hingedness that comes out of
Speaker 3: you is wild. I want to touch on something that
Speaker 3: you said really quickly. You said you've been with Rob
Speaker 3: for twenty two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Crazy means you saw the Lion King as a little
Speaker 1: kid too.
Speaker 3: I did, how long were you guys dating before you
Speaker 3: found out that he directed it?
Speaker 1: Okay? So he hates so wat we talk about it
Speaker 1: because it just like ages him and like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I meant him when I was twenty okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I just forty two. Okay, so it's I met
Speaker 1: him May tenth, So May tenth will be twenty two
Speaker 1: years wow? Okay? Yeah? And I knew immediately because I
Speaker 1: went to a birthday party at his studios and it
Speaker 1: was like flex, yeah. Yeah, he was saying a birthday
Speaker 1: party for friend, and my girlfriends knew the birthday boy. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so I was in college. We just went to
Speaker 1: this party thinking anything like meeting anybody. I was in college.
Speaker 1: I was like a student, you know. And he had
Speaker 1: this giant Chuck Jones poster of Bugs Bunny on his
Speaker 1: like huge, like wall size, and and I just kind
Speaker 1: of started talking about it. But it was an animation studio,
Speaker 1: so like I just and he was the director and owner,
Speaker 1: so I just knew that's him. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he said lyon King that night because he was Oh
Speaker 1: he was directing. Oh my god, this is ironic. He
Speaker 1: was directed Haunted Mansion. Oh wow, that was in production
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Tilley. Okay, so there's all that together. But
Speaker 1: I found out pretty immediately. But this is a funny
Speaker 1: tibit which he hates me sharing because again it's like
Speaker 1: in so embarrassing for him. So Jonathan Taylor Thomas was
Speaker 1: the voice of Simba yep, and he was at my school.
Speaker 1: He's a year older, but he was my biology partner
Speaker 1: in high school.
Speaker 3: He was like every girl's drive in the mid nineties.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he had the middle page of every magazine.
Speaker 1: He was dating this girl, Nikki, who's a year older,
Speaker 1: like tall, blonde, gorgeous, like the whole thing, like supermodel.
Speaker 1: But it's so funny because I looked at him, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's like Simba. He still went to school?
Speaker 4: Was that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He would go to s Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 1: Was it Home Improvement? So yeah, a lot of kids would.
Speaker 1: It's la right, like kids are celebrity kids, so they
Speaker 1: would go whatever film or whatever and then come back
Speaker 1: to school. But I was not in that, so I
Speaker 1: just knew he left. So he was always like away
Speaker 1: during like lab work, what a shitty partner? Was he
Speaker 1: good at biology? Yeah? Aside from the fact that he
Speaker 1: might be lying about this, but I think he went
Speaker 1: to Harvard? Oh so he probably maybe was he went
Speaker 1: to Harvard or ye, he's something like that. Let's all
Speaker 1: ask Siri. See I did totally make it up, and like, Siri.
Speaker 3: Where did Jonathan Taylor Thomas go to college?
Speaker 2: Harvard? See?
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh my god, how many schools does this man attend?
Speaker 1: He's super smart?
Speaker 3: Harvard University, the University of State Andrews in Scotland, and Columbia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really smart. My god, guy, I know you're
Speaker 1: never Yeah, well he's simbas I gotta something. So okay,
Speaker 1: so you're he your husband doesn't love you to talk
Speaker 1: about that fact, but I find it faster.
Speaker 3: I think it's also what an amazing flex again I directed.
Speaker 1: It's just so many funny it is King, Oh the King.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Did he have any thoughts on a live
Speaker 3: action version?
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 1: He hated as much as I did. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: And it was really you know, John Favreaux directed it,
Speaker 1: and he did a great job with the Jungle Book
Speaker 1: Lion King. He did great, and he brought Robin and
Speaker 1: they had you know, he asked Rob his advice and
Speaker 1: he was great about it, and he really wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, keep the essence of Rob's original storytelling, and
Speaker 1: that you did.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, Rob is also very much like that's no
Speaker 1: longer my project, you know, like amazing I built these characters,
Speaker 1: and you know, we were at the Mufassa premiere and
Speaker 1: he's watching. He goes, oh, so they're not actually brothers.
Speaker 1: That's not how I built them. Spoiler alert, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. You go figure this out. Okay, sorry, but
Speaker 1: you know he's also like, that's not how I envisioned.
Speaker 1: That's not who the characters were in my mind. But
Speaker 1: it's no longer my character, you know, Like he's very
Speaker 1: much like this is very very zen, very hinge together geez,
Speaker 1: because I'd be like, how dare you? This is my pet?
Speaker 1: He might internally, but with me, he's pretty hiny with me,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that would make sense. Why you've been together
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how old are your kids?
Speaker 1: Zoe's ten, Max's twelve. Little, that's little to me. It's
Speaker 1: like they're little, you know, their babies. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: let's talk about your podcasts. Yeah, how excited are you?
Speaker 1: I love it. I've been working on it for two years,
Speaker 1: the idea of it, and I really felt like this
Speaker 1: space was right for me because I just always felt comfortable.
Speaker 1: And I thought about it because I was filming a
Speaker 1: show in a space that I felt uncomfortable. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I knew there was something out there for
Speaker 1: me that made more sense. But when you're filming, it's
Speaker 1: just it's so much work that it's hard to sort
Speaker 1: of navigate something like this and start it. Also, I
Speaker 1: was like I didn't. I knew I would have to
Speaker 1: like talk about the show in real time, and I
Speaker 1: was already like, so I didn't want to talk about
Speaker 1: even more to film it. So I was like, and
Speaker 1: once I went home, I wanted to wash it off.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't going to start a podcast and talk
Speaker 1: about it. And so that's why, you know, when when
Speaker 1: I started it, I asked Cynthia to be my partner.
Speaker 1: Who She's like blowing up my phone right, I'm like,
Speaker 1: leave me alone. I love you, Sonthia, this is my time. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It was fun. I was like, didn't think I would
Speaker 1: invite a friend who was a housewife, but Cynthia is
Speaker 1: just way beyond that for me. She is my friend,
Speaker 1: my confidant, and someone that I really like called and
Speaker 1: used to help me through my experience. And so I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we really have a lot of history together and the
Speaker 1: people don't know that. And you know, she's like very
Speaker 1: successful model, like huge model and actor, and she lives
Speaker 1: really kind of a fun la life and that was
Speaker 1: really the idea of it. You know, Beverly Hills Housewives
Speaker 1: is sort of the glossy version, but I like, I
Speaker 1: live it in real life. But in what I think
Speaker 1: is just but it's actually my life, you know, in
Speaker 1: an everyday way. And it's really fun because I think
Speaker 1: Cynthia does as well, and we've got to just share
Speaker 1: stories that we go through. They just happen to randomly
Speaker 1: have like a celebrity involved or something. But we're just
Speaker 1: moms at the end of the day, and we're just
Speaker 1: hustlers at the end of the day, and we're just
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out and it's just really fun.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like therapy for me.
Speaker 3: I see what it's called humble brag because you're like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just everyday life. We have a fun story,
Speaker 3: maybe there's a celebrity. Do you want to tell me
Speaker 3: one of your most favorite encounters that happen to have
Speaker 3: a celebrity in it.
Speaker 1: I'll think about the most recent.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I went to that because it's Oscar season, so there's
Speaker 1: all those you know, there's a lot of screeners and
Speaker 1: a lot of panels. So this was last year and
Speaker 1: I went to the Color Purple to see it and
Speaker 1: Octavia Spencer, who was in Rob's movie, invited us. She
Speaker 1: was hosting the panel and I and Fantasia was there
Speaker 1: and I walk up and I'm like, I was like
Speaker 1: a little like high, and she's like looking at me.
Speaker 1: Her eyes get big, and then I knew she was
Speaker 1: looking at me because she knew who I was. I go, no,
Speaker 1: please don't tell me, you know wh I am. She's like,
Speaker 1: I watch all of them, and we just it was
Speaker 1: so funny because she got so excited, and Rob's looking
Speaker 1: at me like like his head, he doesn't get who
Speaker 1: watches the show, so he's like Fantasia watching it. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: she has a reality start a lot of ways, you know.
Speaker 1: So that was really fun because then now I'm like,
Speaker 1: getting to talk to Fantasio, I think is so brilliant,
Speaker 1: especially in that movie talking about a very unhinged television
Speaker 1: show that I was on. So that was really fun.
Speaker 3: So that's what we're gonna get from your podcast stories
Speaker 3: like this. Yes, do you ever have guests come on?
Speaker 1: We do?
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 1: We just had Denise Richards on last week. I knew
Speaker 1: Denise before the show, but we talked about it'll be
Speaker 1: out I think next week. But we talk about sort
Speaker 1: of our experiences pre and post show and just life
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and you know, our mutual friends, and that's
Speaker 1: really what it is, like, it's girlfriends chatting about our
Speaker 1: lives just kind of in Hollywood. In Hollywood. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we're also normal. But it is normal.
Speaker 3: I know it's normal for people in Hollywood. For us,
Speaker 3: that's not normal. So I would definitely listen to this,
Speaker 3: right right, Andrew, do you have more questions?
Speaker 6: Do you think that people put on a certain lifestyle
Speaker 6: to show on television that's not necessarily their real life?
Speaker 1: Do you think they do it on social media?
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Then yes, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 3: So we say all the time, you get a little
Speaker 3: snippet of who people are and then you think you
Speaker 3: know everything. I'm guilty of it too. Yeah, there are
Speaker 3: celebrities that I'm like, I know everything about this word No,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well that's well, that's the beauty of the podcast, right,
Speaker 1: like I don't. None of Housewives is fake, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a snippet though, because there's only so much
Speaker 1: time you could show, and they don't have the time
Speaker 1: to show an entire personality and my whole life of what.
Speaker 1: They don't want to see me driving to baseball that's
Speaker 1: not that interesting. They want to see the glamour and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Which exists too. So that's what's the
Speaker 1: beauty about this podcast. It's the whole thing. I get
Speaker 1: so many messages like how come we didn't see this
Speaker 1: side of you, and like, well, I don't control that, right,
Speaker 1: this is who I am and it's really fun. I
Speaker 1: feel like the response has been great, and like Cynthia
Speaker 1: is literally like everyboday like who are you? Like You're
Speaker 1: you just are always coming out out of nowhere and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get to just be myself and it's
Speaker 1: really nice to just do that without we don't. Our
Speaker 1: whole thing is not to like go after someone. We're
Speaker 1: all positive. We talk about the show, we talk about
Speaker 1: you know, like our relationships with the people and Bravo.
Speaker 1: But we're not out to get anybody. That's that's not
Speaker 1: our vibe at all.
Speaker 3: Has there been any accidental uh shit storring because of that?
Speaker 3: I didn't expect. Yes, I was actually expecting. You know
Speaker 3: what happened.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I'm not. I'm not sure coding anything.
Speaker 1: I'm but I'm not making it salacious to be silacious,
Speaker 1: you know, So I just tell stories. And I did
Speaker 1: get a call from an ex cast member, and not
Speaker 1: a call very intense text, but we have since made up.
Speaker 1: We ran into each other and they're humble at Paris
Speaker 1: Fashion Week and it went very well. Okay. I was
Speaker 1: not expecting to see this person and it went very
Speaker 1: very well, and I'm very happy about it. So okay, good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what happens, you know, because I'm not there
Speaker 1: lying about a story. I'm just there to tell a story.
Speaker 1: Like why did you tell a story? Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know just because it happens my wife. I'm just telling stories.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I actually said a fact about what was going on.
Speaker 3: So you're liking it, You're going to continue with.
Speaker 1: Podcast for a while, I hope. So yeah, where can
Speaker 1: people find it if they want to listen? Where you
Speaker 1: can hear all podcasts? We're us on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 1: We were I Heard Radio app, iHeart Radio app, I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. We were Apple's top ten new podcasts
Speaker 1: when we came out, so that was super exciting. Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think people just want to hear real stories. It
Speaker 1: feels very I think bts of a housewive show. That's
Speaker 1: really what I was like. It's the real real housewife
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you might have just picked up two new listeners.
Speaker 3: I left it on my right Diamond and Andrew, because
Speaker 3: I think that's what they're really into.
Speaker 1: Well, I would listen to the fourteen Friends one because
Speaker 1: if you're really interest in Beverly Hills. I think that
Speaker 1: was such an elusive sort of topic because we couldn't
Speaker 1: really talk. Well, I guess we could have, but I
Speaker 1: don't think they would have aired it. But I really
Speaker 1: dive deep into the details of that and super cathartic
Speaker 1: for me because I held it in. It's almost five
Speaker 1: years when that happened, when I Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: I'm still surprised that some of them haven't circled back
Speaker 3: and reached out, like you know what, but.
Speaker 1: It's probably all at better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's that, you know, relationships have, you know
Speaker 1: their time limits sometimes, and that was it for me,
Speaker 1: So the reason in the season. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: So Instagram, they can find you at Crystal Cone mink
Speaker 3: Off where Andrew really enjoyed your cucumber pickle recipes.
Speaker 6: Call it it's the infamous cucumber, the infamous crystal cucumbers.
Speaker 1: That I do love that you win. I love that
Speaker 1: you said pickles because it's so for good, buddy. But yes,
Speaker 1: I am very proud of that recipe. It's so funny
Speaker 1: because it's such a humble Chinese dish and it's literal cooking,
Speaker 1: it's lois assembly, and it really like took off went
Speaker 1: viral and I'm saying it's like if you typed in crystal.
Speaker 1: The next search was crystal cucumber, and which I again
Speaker 1: is very proud cucumbers. I don't know. And because I'm obsessed,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm obsessed with is Hilaria oh Baldwin? Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I really used that video a lot to be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, how do you say, like so awesome? How
Speaker 1: you say in English cucumber cucumber? I was like, this
Speaker 1: bitch is crazy. Oh my god, it's incredible.
Speaker 3: But also, can we talk about your your company, Really
Speaker 3: Real Coco.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can find us online at enjoy Realcoco dot
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Speaker 1: coconut milks. I'm just really proud of it. Most our
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Speaker 1: and I mean it's just a perfectly clean brand and
Speaker 1: that was really important to us, just having clean, pure
Speaker 1: coconut water, nothing added, nothing taken out. And yeah, well
Speaker 1: guess what.
Speaker 3: Someone to my right, Andrew just got a Costco membership.
Speaker 3: He's headed over there to get this right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. We're getting it, and it's really good,
Speaker 1: you know, put in the fridge, it's great, chilled, it's
Speaker 1: super high, and it's just people call it like coconut water,
Speaker 1: like nature's gatorade.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's no sugar, you know, it's natural. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 3: It, you know, talking about reality shows every time they're
Speaker 3: digging for water in these places on like, you dumb asses,
Speaker 3: there are coconuts around. You get the coconuts so much
Speaker 3: better than whatever is about to happen down there.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 3: But also you can find real coca. Is there an
Speaker 3: Instagram page for that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's at enjoyrealcocoa dot com. Okay, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining. Thank you. Okay, I really liked her.
Speaker 3: I thought she had a lot of interesting things to say.
Speaker 3: I would definitely want to be friends with her. She's beautiful.
Speaker 3: She got her own business, and she said it's a
Speaker 3: real business.
Speaker 1: It is. It's not a housewife.
Speaker 5: It's not a housewife business. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 5: any other housewife that has a real business.
Speaker 3: Oh my, real business mean something that was started before
Speaker 3: they came into the Housewives, because the skinny girl stuff
Speaker 3: really took off for Bethany, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be the only other legitment.
Speaker 1: Because you want cookies, what are they a girl bar? Whatever? Whatever.
Speaker 5: It's like, just like, I cannot say how sick I
Speaker 5: am of Joe and Melissa Gorga. I think I have to.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of them. She's tired. I am tired, gonna
Speaker 1: take it anymore? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's blaming them for the demise of the Jersey franchise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Teresa deserves blame too, but I'm like, I'm exhausted
Speaker 5: by them.
Speaker 3: Listen, speaking of the Housewives. This is a spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: If you have not finished Traders, stop listening right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, I gave you enough time. Our girl Dolo she
Speaker 1: won the Traders. How hers housewife in history to win?
Speaker 1: She was the worst.
Speaker 3: This was Okay, So this season of the Traders. I
Speaker 3: love that show.
Speaker 1: It's great. Thank you for introducing me to it.
Speaker 3: By the way, season three of the Traders US version,
Speaker 3: the people who made it to the end, it was
Speaker 3: just by sheer like. I think the only one of
Speaker 3: the four who actually deserved it was Dylan. Dylan saw
Speaker 3: through everybody's shit. He was just a little too nervous
Speaker 3: to really go after them and call it out, but
Speaker 3: he knew what was up. Dolorous, my girl voted wrong
Speaker 3: every single.
Speaker 1: Time, every time, every time. I love her though.
Speaker 3: She just voted for her heart. She was just mad
Speaker 3: at people, so she was carrying out grudges. It didn't
Speaker 3: matter if it made sense, it didn't matter if it
Speaker 3: took the balance of what was going on. She played
Speaker 3: with zero politics. She just went for like, but that's
Speaker 3: how I feel about.
Speaker 4: It, yep.
Speaker 1: And then she has Hiva. I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's like, excuse me, Tom, I don't trust you. It's like, no,
Speaker 5: you're mad because he voted for you.
Speaker 1: Just say that, Just say that.
Speaker 3: But the people who made it to the congratulations to Dylan, Gabby, Dolores,
Speaker 3: and Ivar. Will never figure out how they did it,
Speaker 3: but they did it. Also, the Traders this year. They
Speaker 3: had one good point. I said, Danielle and Carolyn were
Speaker 3: the worst traders I've ever seen. Yes, they were god awful,
Speaker 3: absolutely terrible, horrible. To be fair, Danielle did make a
Speaker 3: point that she made it farther as a trader than
Speaker 3: anybody else ever had.
Speaker 1: Either way, Danielle was a horrible player, horrible. Carolyn was
Speaker 1: a horrible player, a mess.
Speaker 3: But if they did get farther than everybody else, or
Speaker 3: are they that horrible?
Speaker 1: Yes, the cast could get dumber and dumber.
Speaker 3: You know season one I didn't watch it. Did Traders
Speaker 3: want or did faithfuls one?
Speaker 5: I didn't watch season one either. There were no So
Speaker 5: season two was when they started bringing in the people
Speaker 5: that I watched, like, you know, all the housewives and
Speaker 5: stuff like that. I think season one was full of
Speaker 5: like everyday people, oh oh, okay, mixed in with a
Speaker 5: few because I know Kate Chestein was on season one.
Speaker 5: I can't remember anyone else. Okay, but the show was
Speaker 5: very entertaining. Justice for Derinda, she would have made great TV.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, but let me tell you in the reunion,
Speaker 3: she was really hung up on the fact that Bob
Speaker 3: the drag Queen didn't know who she was. She wouldn't
Speaker 3: let it go. It made her so unlikable. I have
Speaker 3: no idea who Derinda was either. I think I've met
Speaker 3: her a couple of times. But it's okay, you're in
Speaker 3: this little niche of celebrity, and definitely everybody who watches
Speaker 3: that show is going to know. I'm sure who you are,
Speaker 3: but all the people who have no idea, I couldn't
Speaker 3: name any housewives except for the ones that have been
Speaker 3: on the show, right, I think that podcast, I should say,
Speaker 3: She's always been a person of like principle, and I
Speaker 3: think she was probably more offended of like the way
Speaker 3: that he said it, like I don't know who she is,
Speaker 3: and it's like she probably felt like that was rude,
Speaker 3: but she didn't know who he was. Yeah, I'm mad
Speaker 3: that he didn't take back the insult toward Dylan Ephron
Speaker 3: about Zach Effromne bad after.
Speaker 1: Was that was rude? Come on, Troy Bolton.
Speaker 3: And I was a fan of Bob the Drag Queen
Speaker 3: even up until the end, up until the reunion. In
Speaker 3: the reunion, I was like, Oh, she lost me, yeah,
Speaker 3: or he lost me whatever, fucking Bob all right on
Speaker 3: that note. We'll be back next week, and I don't
Speaker 3: know what we're gonna do. Maybe we'll do a miniso.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll talk to someone you know.
Speaker 1: TVD TVD leave us a talkback though, hit.
Speaker 3: The little microphone button if you're listening on your phone
Speaker 3: and say something to us. Maybe we'll do a whole
Speaker 3: episode of those, because that's kind of fun. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: also like follow, subscribe, leave us reviews. Somebody left us
Speaker 3: a very hilarious I'm trying to leave you guys a review,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if I can actually leave a
Speaker 3: review with my question. I was like, that'll actually be funny.
Speaker 3: Go for it if you want to. We're still holding
Speaker 3: study at four point nine. It's I don't know how,
Speaker 3: but I'll take it.
Speaker 1: People like you for now.
Speaker 3: As the year progresses, we'll see how that works out. Okay,
Speaker 3: people want to find you online, Diamond where they.
Speaker 5: Find you at diamond since here on Instagram, at diamond
Speaker 5: sincere with an underscore on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I'm at baby hots us on Instagram and Twitter.
Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time. Say bye bye.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm