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Speaker 1: Loka Tora Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm diosa m and I am Mala Munjos. Lokatra Radio

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Speaker 1: is yr Brima's favorite podcast, hosted by us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 2: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through

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Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit

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Speaker 1: and Las Bocaces Prosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 1: Barto el Mundo, Welcome to season eight.

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Speaker 3: Are you listening?

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Speaker 1: O La la Loka mot Is, Welcome to season eight

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Speaker 1: of lok at Though Radio.

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Speaker 2: I'm Viosa and I am Mala.

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Speaker 1: You're tuning into Capito one eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: Last time on look at Thought Our Radio, we interviewed

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Speaker 2: Doris anaim Munios. Go ahead and tune into that episode.

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Speaker 1: So by the time this episode is released, will be

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Speaker 1: in that holiday limbo, which is post Christmas, pre New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve. Nobody knows what day it is, nobody knows

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Speaker 1: what time it is. So we hope you're listening to

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Speaker 1: loc at Thought a radio in the comfort of your home.

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Speaker 2: If you need to sneak away from your family, if

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Speaker 2: your mental health is suffering because of the holidays, listen

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Speaker 2: to this episode because it's actually about self care for

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Speaker 2: Latina's Yes, it's the perfect time to tune in with

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Speaker 2: the stress of the holidays and the anticipation of a

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Speaker 2: new year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we hope your Christmas was filled with you know,

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Speaker 1: lots of rest, good food, damalis, whatever your family makes

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Speaker 1: eats during the holidays, and hopefully no drama.

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Speaker 2: And if there is drama, hopefully it's juicy and you

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Speaker 3: You can tell us about it.

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Speaker 1: We also if you're getting your New Year's Eve rituals ready.

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Speaker 1: My family does the twelve grape set midnight and sometimes

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Speaker 2: Us, that's so cute. For New Year's Eve historically, well,

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Speaker 1: We're going on a friend's trip and we're really excited.

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Speaker 1: a little getaway with our closest dearest friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We're going to the desert. We're going to be isolated.

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Speaker 2: We're going to see some stars.

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Speaker 2: I think it's been a year and we deserved I.

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Speaker 1: we are joined by journalists, writer, and longtime friend Raquel Richard.

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Speaker 1: She's an award winning journalist and editor and currently she

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Speaker 2: She reps Orlando real hard and we've just loved Raquel.

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Speaker 1: Be talking about her debut book called Self Care for Latinas.

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Speaker 1: A little bit about this book. Between micro and macroaggressions

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Speaker 1: With Self Care for Latinas, you'll find one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty exercises to radically choose to put yourself first. Whether

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Speaker 1: it's time to make the radical decision to prioritize you,

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Speaker 1: your life, your joy, and your self care.

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Speaker 2: It is hard to be us.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to be us.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to be us.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to be us.

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Speaker 3: But here we are.

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Speaker 2: Here we survive severe every day, we persevere.

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Speaker 3: And we look good while doing it.

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Speaker 2: Especially we look especially good while doing it. Yes, So

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Speaker 2: if this speaks to you, keep on listening, pick up

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Speaker 2: the book Self Care for Latinas, and let's hear more

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Speaker 1: Okay, look, I'm what is without further ado, we are

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Speaker 1: so excited to bring Launica, the incredible, the beautiful Raquel

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Speaker 3: Welcome Raquez.

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Speaker 1: Please introduce yourself and say hello to our listeners.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, what an intro. Thank you. I'm Raquel.

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Speaker 4: I'm an Orlando based bodyguad journalist and now author.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have been knowing Raquel for a long

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Speaker 1: incredibly exciting for us. So tell us about this your

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Speaker 1: debut book, right, You've been working as a journalist for many,

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Speaker 4: So like again, so circle, you.

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Speaker 1: Were the first journalist to reach out to us and

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Speaker 3: In Downy like Mala and I taking the interview with you, and.

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Speaker 2: Our first time doing press and for real, real like

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Speaker 2: true day one listeners. Raquel was one of the original

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Speaker 2: founding members of the Mommy Collective. Yes, yes, the East Coast.

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Speaker 2: absolutely not. So we went around the it wasn't your bottle,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't your bottle. You were innocent. You were innocent

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Speaker 2: hair up, put on these lasses. Here's a jacket.

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Speaker 3: So the whole function so funny. Yeah, I thought about that.

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Speaker 2: So the whole function got moved across the street to

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Speaker 4: Yes, and we had to tell everyone to go there.

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Speaker 3: I had never bought any thing. Mala didn't have her

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Speaker 1: There was a period where Mala was losing her id

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you were at a steak how is

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Speaker 3: And I was like my lists, like I have my lists,

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Speaker 2: But you did a great job.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have done some wild things together.

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Speaker 3: So it's fun that.

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Speaker 4: It's also been like a handful of times that we've

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Speaker 3: It's always a great time.

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Speaker 1: The sisterhood is real in spite of only being like

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Speaker 2: because we've seen you over the course of your career

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Speaker 2: over the past yeah, several years, and we've known you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's been a wild ride. I feel like

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Speaker 4: I say wild multiple times a day, every single day

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Speaker 4: all started. But so self care for Latinas, I've been

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Speaker 4: describing it as a resource for Latinas hoping to nourish

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Speaker 4: themselves mentally, physically, and spiritually. In the book, there are

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Speaker 4: accompanied by data, history, and narratives that really underline why

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Speaker 4: these tools are necessary to begin with, right, so highlighting

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Speaker 4: the social, cultural, and political blows many of us experience,

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Speaker 4: Yep, exactly. Like so much of my work has focused

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, it's so ingrained in us, in our families.

436
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: And then you know, our mothers often then raise us,

437
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: and we perpetuate this my dani'sma on each other. I

438
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: think about now, in my first first year of marriage,

439
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: how my mother has these expectations for me, not necessarily

440
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: my partner, the person that I married, but my mother

441
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: has these expectations of how I'm supposed to be as

442
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: a quote wife, and we don't adhere to them, right,

443
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: And so even this external force that is someone so

444
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: close to me obviously, like my mother, is still putting

445
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: this pressure on me to behave a certain way, do

446
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: things a certain way, even though i've that's not what

447
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: we do and how we want to be in a relationship. Right,

448
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: But it very much runs it can't It has the

449
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 1: ability the potential to run our lives if we let it.

450
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, And like that's that's the goal, right,

451
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: Like the very idea of gendered self sacrifice is colonial. Yes,

452
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 4: Madianismo gets its name from the Virgin Mary, you know,

453
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 4: a figure who the Catholic Church has turned into the

454
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: paragon of self sacrifice. She dedicated her entire her entirety

455
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: to the Catholic God right having having its literally having

456
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: its son, and then committing herself to him. And so

457
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: when the Spanish colonize what's now known as Latin America

458
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 4: and parts of the Caribbean, they facilitated the expansion of

459
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 4: their empire through religious conversion. We know this overwhelmingly by force.

460
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 4: And this included religious gender based expectations that supported their

461
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: patriarchal conquest. These traits, you know, included things like you know,

462
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 4: being su war in it being pure, being quiet, being humble,

463
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: being modest, and the colonial church taught that these are

464
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 4: the attributes that make good women. And in reality it

465
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 4: was and remains traits that make good colonial subjects, right, good, quiet,

466
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 4: accommodating servants in their empire. And that's still true today.

467
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: It's so funny that we're talking about this on the

468
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: like it's literally December twelve listening.

469
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: Don't get mad if your mom's it's okay. We love you, guys.

470
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: We're just saying, just saying.

471
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: The history history context is important.

472
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean it's an impossible standard to live

473
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: up to you because, oh you you have to be

474
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: a mother but a virgin at the same time, or

475
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: you're doing it wrong.

476
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly exactly.

477
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: So let's get into some of the specifics of the book.

478
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: You know, this book is broken up into three parts

479
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: of mind, body, and Spirit. So I wanted to talk

480
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: about some of them today. I brought a couple We

481
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: brought a couple examples, starting with mind. One of my

482
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: favorites that you wrote was turn reggedon lyrics into affirmations

483
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: and repeat them to yourself.

484
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: And I love this one.

485
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: So much because I know that you have a longer

486
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: essay that you published a couple years ago about how

487
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: Regged Doon music helped you in your healing journey. So

488
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: I loved seeing this callback to that. So tell us

489
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: more about, of course, the inspiration behind this affirmation, this

490
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: tip for self care of the mind, and what went

491
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: into you creating this.

492
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just this was actually one of the

493
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: tips that I had shared in my overview, like because

494
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 4: it was one that just felt so like, this is

495
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: something that I'd already been doing for years and literally

496
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: no one can hype you up the wayhypes you up,

497
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 4: like like oh my god. And so I you know,

498
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: I often you know Boigua from Orlando, like you hear

499
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: Heeyathong everywhere you go here, and these lyrics just they

500
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: helped bring me back to life during a really really

501
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 4: dark time, and they continue to do so in different ways,

502
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: like even you know, thinking about unanoin the the album

503
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: Bad Bunny is not his last album but two years ago,

504
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: so wow, yeah wild, But that album, I actually I

505
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: didn't listen to it at first, which is like shocker,

506
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 4: because y'all know I had a whole Bad Bunny birthday party,

507
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: like Stan right, But that was the first summer that

508
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: I was experiencing without my best friend, and so that

509
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 4: title just knocked me out. And then when I started

510
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: listening to it, it just it it gave me life.

511
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: It gave it really just like it gave me life.

512
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: And it also felt like Angie was with me while

513
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: every time that I was listening to it. And so

514
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 4: I just think that there's something so there's something so

515
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 4: powerful in these lyrics, right that you know, some might

516
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: see as frivolous, but the way in which the way

517
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: that they can really empower you and breathe new life

518
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: into you and just hype you and make you feel

519
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 4: good about yourself, like that's that's not frivolous to me.

520
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: I love that approach too, because over the years, you know,

521
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: of course there's been criticism, whether it's like of hip

522
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: hop lyrics or reggaeton lyrics, of like objectifying women or

523
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: whatever the language maybe hyper sexualization. But then there's also

524
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: been folks like you know, got that, I think you're

525
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: doing this too with the way you're using regaton. It's

526
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: like reclaiming it and finding the good and finding the

527
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: positive and like, I don't know, giving it like some

528
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: cultural context that is not. It's not so damning, you know.

529
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: It's like, no, let's look at this for what it

530
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: is holistically, yep.

531
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: And both things can be true, right, Like we can

532
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 4: critique and we can also take what serves us and

533
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: makes us feel good.

534
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: Totally.

535
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

536
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: Hell yeah. I also feel like over the years, I

537
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: really when I think of you, Raquel, I think of

538
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: a lot of the work and the writing that you've

539
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: done around body positivity and bodily autonomy. And I love

540
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: how you are touching upon that as well in the

541
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: book and in different ways about rebuilding your relationship with

542
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: cultural foods and also reclaiming your bodily autonomy. And I

543
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: want to ask why it was important for you to

544
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: include the cultural foods and the bodyly autonomy in the

545
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: self care book.

546
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. So this section was the easiest for me to write.

547
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 4: Someone actually asked if there were more tips in this section,

548
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: and they're not. There aren't any more than the others.

549
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: It's evenly split. But I think maybe these these excerpts

550
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: are a little longer. But yeah, I was really able to,

551
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: I think go off in this section because it has

552
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: undered so much of my work on and so especially

553
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: like these two topics that you mentioned rebuild your relationship

554
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: with your cultural foods. Yeah, I felt like this was

555
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: so necessary to include, especially for me as a vegan.

556
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: Like I know that when I first when I first

557
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: went vegetarian, I went vegetari when I was fourteen, I

558
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: felt like I had to not eat Puerto Rican food

559
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: because it was just impossible to do so, right, because

560
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: everywhere I went, I couldn't. I couldn't escape the pork.

561
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: And even at home, like with my mom, like my

562
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: mom would try to sneak ham y, Yes, she would

563
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: try to sneak it in there for me and I.

564
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: Have the other would do that to me, Oh my God,

565
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: and I.

566
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: Would feel it like I would like I would end

567
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: up throwing up because my body rejected it, you know.

568
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: And I also remember like being so I grew up

569
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 4: in the Pentacostal church, and I remember being in church

570
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: and people putting hands on me praying for me to

571
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: like eat meat because they were just like, what's wrong

572
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: with her?

573
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Like this is a passing from God.

574
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding right right, So like at this time

575
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: where I'm just like I just feel like I can't

576
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: eat my foods, foods that have just comforted me throughout

577
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: my life have just now felt like yeah, like I

578
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: just I it just felt like, you know, like everyone

579
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 4: trying was trying to force me into eating meat through

580
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: my cultural foods, and so I it took some time

581
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: for me to rebuild that relationship, and that meant learning

582
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: to uh cook Puerto Rican dishes vegan. And then also

583
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 4: the fact that there are so many vegan bodygua restaurants now,

584
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: like or I think Orlando's like has more vegan Puerto

585
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 4: Rican restaurants than anywhere outside of Puerto Rico. So just

586
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 4: seeing other people find ways to create like pernil right, mofongo,

587
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: like just all of these delicious dishes. My it's it's

588
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: been helpful. And also what's been helpful is I think

589
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: now I've been able to like change my family's perspective.

590
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 4: And so I remember one year actually for Christmas made

591
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: me vegans. Ah, And now if we go somewhere, like

592
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: my mom will always call in advance and say, hey,

593
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: are there me in like the Arons or like do

594
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: do we need to you know, cook a cook a

595
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: separate a separate pot for Raquel. But that took time,

596
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: but for for a lot of us like it's this,

597
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: it's that right. But then it's also like the ways

598
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 4: in which I mean and vegan you know, the vegan

599
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: culture is guilty of doing this as well. It's like

600
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: demeaning and villainizing these foods that we all grew up

601
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 4: with and calling them bad when they're not bad.

602
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean, praying over you that you would eat

603
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 2: meat again is like something else. That's the next level.

604
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 3: It's wild.

605
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: It's wild. It haunts me still.

606
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: It's also fascinating because it sounds like, you know, like

607
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, like everybody is all in in everybody

608
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: else's business, Like dang, what do you know what I mean?

609
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: Like why do they care so much about what you're eating?

610
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: It's just that's that Like it's very Latino, you know.

611
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was definitely a Spanish language.

612
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: Church.

613
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: It is so Latino.

614
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: It's so Latino too, because it like it teaches us

615
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: so young that like our body is not ours, right,

616
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: like everybody can have an opinion not only about what

617
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: our bodies look like, but what we even put in them.

618
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: Totally right, it's food, right, it's food, and and that

619
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: we're not even allowed to do that. And so yeah,

620
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: of course like you have been centering like bodily autonomy

621
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: in your work for over the past decade, and I

622
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: just I love to see this the rebuild your relationships,

623
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: the cultural food and reclaim your body autonomy, Like I

624
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: loved seeing this, and just that whole section I think

625
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: is so powerful.

626
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 4: Goes back to the idea of marianismo, right, Like, that's

627
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 4: what teaches us that our bodies are not ours, right,

628
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: it teaches us that our modesty will protect us when

629
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: it doesn't, and then it that concept like, because of

630
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: that is why we then blame ourselves for the crimes

631
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 4: committed against us when it's all it's all bullshit, It's

632
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 4: all connected.

633
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Yes, So you know, the last section is the spirit section,

634
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you about this passage that

635
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: you have about discovering the heroines of your homeland. So

636
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: tell us more. This is one of my favorite passages.

637
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: Tell us more about this one.

638
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

639
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 4: So in this passage, I write about how we don't

640
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: often hear or learn the stories of our you know,

641
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: Latina Latin American Caribbean heroines. We rarely even hear those

642
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 4: stories of our heroes, right, and so even less women,

643
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: and that sometimes makes us think that we don't have heroines, right,

644
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 4: but that's not true. We have you know, latinas both

645
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 4: here in the United States and women across Latin America

646
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: and the Caribbean who have long like stood up against colonialism, violence,

647
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 4: who have just pushed back, fought back, used their voices,

648
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: used their privileges, and then also in various you know,

649
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 4: like mediums, right from politics to music to communities. We

650
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 4: have heroes in our own families. So it's it's necessary

651
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 4: to excavate this history and connect and be inspired by

652
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: these women.

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Speaker 2: Love it, including you, you being one of those women, yes,

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Speaker 2: at this stage, and like as you continue to work, no,

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Speaker 2: for sure, totally you're like you've been killing it for

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Speaker 2: a long time, you continue to do so. We're so

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Speaker 2: proud of you and proud to know you. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's also very exciting that this book is being

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Speaker 2: carried at major outlets. I mean, it's Simon and Schuster,

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Speaker 2: but you can buy this book at Target, you can

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Speaker 2: buy the book at Barnes and Noble, which I think

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Speaker 2: is a humongous accomplishment. How does that How does it feel?

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Speaker 4: That's wild? That's so wild to me, Like I I

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Speaker 4: was on the phone. So I've just been like, I

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Speaker 4: know that these the book is available online, and I'm

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Speaker 4: just like I'm curious, like, are like you know, like

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Speaker 4: store funds, like are they selling the book too? And

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Speaker 4: I know that the barn there's a few Barnes and

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Speaker 4: Noble Nobles like here in Orlando and just across the

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Speaker 4: country that are, but I was really curious about like

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Speaker 4: the Targets and the walmarts, and so I actually a

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Speaker 4: few days ago I called the Target that I grew

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Speaker 4: up going to in East Orlando and to ask if

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Speaker 4: they were going to be carrying this book, and they

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Speaker 4: sent me around to so many different people, but at

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Speaker 4: the end there was this really really sweet lady and

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Speaker 4: she was like, oh my god, yes, we're going to

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Speaker 4: have a few copies here. I'm going to let you

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Speaker 4: know when we have them, and I'm going to call

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Speaker 4: you so you could come by if you want to

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Speaker 4: like take a look. But congratulations, we're so happy for

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Speaker 4: you here at like Orlando Target.

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Speaker 2: It was I love that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Wow, hometown hero, hometown down. I'm telling you doing it

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Speaker 2: Orlando's finest.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean you have been putting people on

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Speaker 1: not only like across the US, but specifically. I know

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Speaker 1: you rep Orlando really hard. That's your hometown, so it's

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Speaker 1: so exciting to see.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all know, I go super hard for Orlando. I

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Speaker 4: when I had when I got my box of galleys,

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Speaker 4: I kept like five of them and I wrote little

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Speaker 4: notes in them and I put them in little libraries,

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Speaker 4: you know, the little community library box. Yeah, across downtown

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Speaker 4: to East Orlando. And it's just again, the reception has

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Speaker 4: been really really beautiful and they've all been taken. So

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Speaker 4: folks out here are reading. I gave Orlando that sneak preview.

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Speaker 3: Lovely thing.

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Speaker 1: The book is going to travel far and wide. We're

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Speaker 1: so excited for you. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us today. This has been such a long like overdue interview,

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Speaker 1: Like we've been wanting to have you on for a

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Speaker 1: long time now, so I'm so glad our first interview

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Speaker 1: officially is about your book. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you both.

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Speaker 3: I love y'all.

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