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Speaker 1: What's up this way up? For angela? Ye, and this

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Speaker 1: is exciting cuts for the first time saying John is

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Speaker 1: hanging out here with me?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 1: It was a little blast Miths Earlier, you said you're

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Speaker 1: not from Brooklyn, are you? And I said, actually, yes,

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Speaker 1: I am. Where'd you thinkuy was from?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't super sure. I knew it was the East Coast, right,

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Speaker 2: because it's East Coast energy, but I was like, it

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Speaker 2: might not be Brooklyn. But sometimes people say that about me,

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Speaker 2: They think I'm from like London or something.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I could see that.

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Speaker 2: I think they just saying I'm flying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see, Well, you could be flying from Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Too, Nah, but it's a different thing.

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Speaker 1: But you're very eclectic. I think what does that mean

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Speaker 1: When people say that. It means that you can't be

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Speaker 1: lot of different things and a lot of different sounds.

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Speaker 1: Even your style is not necessarily like I could tell

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Speaker 2: It's not one dimensional. I always take that when somebody

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Speaker 2: says electic like, oh, that's a synonym for widow. You

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Speaker 2: call me a widow. I think you meant that. But

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Speaker 2: that's about to clarify it, because you could have people

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Speaker 2: Eclectics definitely sounds like widdow.

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Speaker 1: No, because I think dynamic means more like energy wise.

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Speaker 1: I think eclectic is more style wise in my in

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Speaker 2: That's how you interpret it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's dynamic. We actually in my college at Wesley

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Speaker 1: and we had a house called the Eclectic House. Well,

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Speaker 2: I know you see, I know, I know what they're electic.

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Speaker 1: You're dynamic, and I just want to say you're very dynamic,

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Speaker 1: right but even like your style of music, and I

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Speaker 1: seeing how you interact with people, it's very dynamic. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, And how you call your albums

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Speaker 1: aren't albums. You said they're collections and you're very clear

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Speaker 1: on that. So just break that down though for people

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Speaker 2: Well, for me, collection clarify as all the pieces that

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Speaker 2: go into them. So my art requires fashion, film, this

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Speaker 2: multi media. This sounds all the elements of design, So

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Speaker 2: to call it an album wouldn't characterize it or classified.

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Speaker 2: And the way that it encompasses all the other things,

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Speaker 2: all the mediums of art go into my art. I'm

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Speaker 2: in fashion week looking at production. I'm looking at fabrics

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Speaker 2: and production. I'm looking at the way their parents sound

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Speaker 2: with clothing. I'm thinking about that and how to incorporate

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Speaker 2: that in my song. I'm about I go home. I'm

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Speaker 2: would this sound good with silk? It's crazy. I don't

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Speaker 2: that's part of my process. So to encapsulate or encapsulate it,

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Speaker 2: to it. Like people that I really respect and really revere,

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Speaker 2: like fine artists, their bodies of are collections. Okay, Picasso's

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Speaker 1: I could see. Maybe that's why I know you were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's crazy James. That's my brother. I

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Speaker 2: definitely give me that like, Yo, you're from London. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: It's definitely expensive, yeah, similar to New York for sure.

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Speaker 1: And so I want to talk about just so many

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Speaker 1: First of all, you talk about fashion. It is fashion

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Speaker 2: I was doing nonsense, what I would call nonsense now.

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Speaker 2: I remember taking it like a Louis Vuitton speedy you

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Speaker 1: But how did you even have a Louis Batan.

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Speaker 2: Fake one too, hundred percent of fake one. I was

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Speaker 2: I'm in high school with how y'all know, y'all don't

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Speaker 1: I remember my first designer bag. That was way after

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Speaker 2: you realized it was cool. I had it. I got

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Speaker 2: I didn't even buy it too. A good friend of mine,

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Speaker 2: Okay, she was scammy. She was scamming. She had a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she helped me out. She bought it for me,

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Speaker 1: This is not the same girl that change the locks

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Speaker 2: Nah, that was my mom And okay, yeah nah moms. Wow,

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Speaker 2: she really did change the locks on me. I heard

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Speaker 1: But look, you did buy her a house. You paid

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Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Let's go back to that. Why

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Speaker 2: Back after caira man. Shout out to Kira. I closed

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Speaker 2: finessing people like oh you want to yeah, get your

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Speaker 1: So I was like flinging snuggies.

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Speaker 2: I was like a half wicked kid, but I had

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Speaker 1: He's so good at this, ladies, you hear this, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I had really good intentions because all of my brothers

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Speaker 2: gonna work if I go hustle. Look, it's like it's

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Speaker 2: All this ain't Oh, this ain't no Tony Montana movie.

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Speaker 2: This ain't gonna work. One of us gotta do something different.

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Speaker 2: So I participated in some things and then other things.

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Speaker 2: I tried to be like way more smart, way more advanced,

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Speaker 2: because I just didn't think I was. I didn't have to. Look,

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Speaker 2: you know, we all know somebody in the street. Just

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Speaker 2: not confessing nothing. I'm just saying we all know somebody

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Speaker 2: playing nothing never happens. I wasn't that kid. I just

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Speaker 2: Different type of finesse. So nah, it wasn't like I

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what my mom thought. She just

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Speaker 2: That's just good media or bad media, depending on what

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Speaker 2: For sure, one of my closest friend, Rennie Penny, he

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Speaker 1: See that's crazy, and people don't understand it. They're like,

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Speaker 1: So when I hear people talking about, oh, why aren't

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Speaker 2: There's nothing easy about becoming an American citizen. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: And that's a test I can't even pass either. When

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Speaker 2: So I'm not voting for disparaging things that just throw

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Speaker 2: you got get out of it.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you family. I've had a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Diana, So this is not an unfamiliar conversation

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Speaker 2: for me, right, like you being a dirt back, I'll

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Speaker 2: get it all right, Cool, you're trying to get money. Cool, Cool,

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Speaker 1: I know. Sorry, I know we were completely off charge

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this installation that you have now, because

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Speaker 1: you know it is festival season, you're doing Coachella.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm finally doing Coachella.

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Speaker 1: That's a look at the smile. That's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So Where were you when you got that call? How

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Speaker 2: I probably was in Puerto Rico. I live in Puerto

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Speaker 1: You live in Puerto Rico now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yah, I live in Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 1: In taxes, right, I'm not mad at that.

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Speaker 2: This looks there's some benefits if you can get beaches,

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Speaker 1: Than go for I love this. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: So I think I was in port. I think I

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Speaker 2: I don't I might not actually want to go. And

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Speaker 2: It's happening, and you know, everything happens on time, even

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Speaker 2: first time. But I was grateful for it. Nonetheless, because

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Speaker 1: But that was on a list, right, that's a vibe

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Speaker 1: right there. So festival season, So is that part of

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Speaker 1: Like why festival Season as the name of the collection.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just important for us to brush showler

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Speaker 2: you and people that you don't know who to enjoy

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Speaker 2: So this collection, when you listen to it, that's it's

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Speaker 1: Live a live show. A live show, yeah, a live performance.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is a set list. It starts like

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Speaker 1: That's going to listen. So they sent it to me yesterday,

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Speaker 1: when people talk too much about music when you haven't

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Speaker 1: name of the performance that you just did? Popping?

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Speaker 2: Is that what I was? Yeah, yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this song for a second, because it

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Speaker 1: It's like it's got like a sexy red vibe. And

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Speaker 2: It's just an ignorant record. It's not in my mind,

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Speaker 2: actually not just in my mind. In my catalog of music,

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Speaker 2: I've touched this space a bunch of times. It's these

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Speaker 2: gone for four years and come back and present this

436
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,520
Speaker 2: like this is something you need to see. It's aggressive,

437
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,360
Speaker 2: it's almost disruptive. So if you just wanted to hear

438
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 2: something melodic and something pleasant, it's not that. But that's okay.

439
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,840
Speaker 2: Everything has its place. Take Keith, it you weren't crazy.

440
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,800
Speaker 2: It's ignorant, but I'm always known for ignorant music. It's

441
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 2: part of that because that's part of my dynamic.

442
00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,879
Speaker 1: That's what makes me, That's what makes it makes to

443
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,159
Speaker 1: you because I feel like we all have that, we

444
00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 1: have all sides right to be able to sit here

445
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,640
Speaker 1: and have these more in depth conversations. But then when

446
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,840
Speaker 1: you all got that fun ignorant side to us too.

447
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely you know you're from Brooklyn.

448
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, even the girls going to church be twerking.

449
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 1: So it's just that Christian sex club.

450
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:13,919
Speaker 2: Christian sex club.

451
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it all is kind of.

452
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 2: Like that lives in my space. I always dance on

453
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 2: the line. I dance on the line of is that okay,

454
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 2: did he go too far? Is it too far? What

455
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,120
Speaker 2: does he mean? Do I believe in that? Is it exciting?

456
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 1: You know? But like you said, it's been four years,

457
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 1: So did you have any type of like hesitation about

458
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 1: it or were you just like you just don't care.

459
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 2: I do care. Be foolish to pretend like I don't care.

460
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time making art. I care enough.

461
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 2: I almost care too much, But I didn't want to

462
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 2: overproduce the results of it. For one, when you listen

463
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 2: to this entire body of work, all of it will

464
00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 2: makes sense, okay, when you take things, when you take

465
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 2: things outside of context of you know, the whole sound beat,

466
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 2: the whole collection, you might itemize and be like, I

467
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 2: don't want that. I get why you don't want that.

468
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 2: If I just took a scene out of pulp fiction

469
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 2: and gave you no context to it, it just seems

470
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,120
Speaker 2: like the guy's having a monologue about.

471
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: Nothing right right, Okay, But when.

472
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 2: You watch the movie, you go, oh, he was called killer.

473
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: That's it. The entire cinema of this performance. Sonically, it

474
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 2: all reads well together, It all lives well together. It's

475
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: a live show.

476
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: Listen all right, Well, I'm gonna talk about some of

477
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 1: the songs that really stuck out to me. A fuck

478
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: me and Sad. I enjoyed that one. And you know,

479
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,479
Speaker 1: I think relationship wise too, as you talk about how

480
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: there's these different sides to you relationship wise. I can't

481
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 1: figure out what it is that you want. So if

482
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: you had to say relationship wise, this is where you

483
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: see yourself, what would you say? Because you know you

484
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 1: had the song previously wedding day and it feels like

485
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: you want to be married and you wanted to last forever.

486
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: But then.

487
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 2: I don't know it just don't be working.

488
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,400
Speaker 1: So don't be working? Is it because of you?

489
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 2: Or oh I got to be partially accountable. Maybe it's

490
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: because of me. Maybe maybe because I make bad picks.

491
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure, but it got to be a

492
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: combination of things. If I keep picking bad then.

493
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: That got to be on me, right m hmm okay, yeah.

494
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: So even look in all of my artwork, there's a

495
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: reoccurring theme. There's something in a visual art. I keep

496
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: putting me in a bride. There's always a woman in

497
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: a veil. I even did this for my video called Lust.

498
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: The song called Lust, I had four Chocolate Barbie brides

499
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: in the desert in white veils and white lingerie and

500
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: we were on a Nissan that I think Z six

501
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: three hundred or something like that. I remember the car.

502
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: I keep flirting with the idea because the fantasy in

503
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: my mind is to meet the type of woman it

504
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: would make me want to get married, not forced me

505
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 2: to marry her, but would be so exciting that me.

506
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: It would make me challenge something that it's not something

507
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: I believe in, because the idea of marriage just don't

508
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 2: work in twenty twenty five. It really doesn't work. The

509
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: sanctity of it, it's a beautiful concept, but the practicality

510
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 2: of it, living through it, it's really difficult and most

511
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: people can't survive it. So I flirt. I'm constantly am

512
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: flirting with the danger of Oh, I'm telling the truth

513
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 2: of the danger of I don't really believe in it's

514
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: because it don't work, But I like to be a

515
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: place where somebody makes me feel so compelled that I

516
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: want to try something that I know is disastrous.

517
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: Have you ever felt that even for a moment, because

518
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,959
Speaker 1: I feel like I could see that there's been moments

519
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: when you're like, you've probably even said it.

520
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: Before, Oh, like I want to marry it, Yeah, you have,

521
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: I gotta say it. Let me say I want to

522
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: marry you. I'm trying to say to relive it in

523
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: my head, I wouldn't marry you. I want to marry you.

524
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

525
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever even.

526
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: Said it, because it's to call someone wifey.

527
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 2: You know, I used to hate that word.

528
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really like that.

529
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: I hate that word wify. So I'm not really even sure.

530
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the song by next you being

531
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: my wife what we call like, you know, anyway, go ahead.

532
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever done that, but I've I've

533
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: had I've been in relationships where I would have married

534
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,719
Speaker 2: the woman, but I wouldn't. I didn't believe in it,

535
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: so it wouldn't have been right either way. I would

536
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: have done it to honor the relationship. But I'm like,

537
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: that's dumb. That doesn't work.

538
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: So you think that maybe one day it would just

539
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't be traditional because listen, being with somebody getting married,

540
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: I think now there's all different ways that people are

541
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: having relationships where it's like we're married, but X, Y

542
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: and Z, or maybe you have four brides.

543
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: For the four brides that sound like that sound like

544
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: that could work?

545
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you can handle that?

546
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: You know what? People pretend like that's some easy thing.

547
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: That's not a small sport. Definitely not nah, that's a

548
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 2: big sport to manage four personalities keep everybody happy. I

549
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: would try. I try real hard.

550
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I try real hard. I feel so

551
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: sorry for you. Would be so stressed.

552
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: Out, probably, but some days wouldn't be so stressful at all.

553
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 2: Some days would just be wonderful.

554
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: Now you said accountability on yourself, What do you think

555
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: about you? Because you know, sometimes people would say, a

556
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: guy made me this way, like everything was good. He

557
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: did this to me, he hurt me, And now this

558
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: is how I am and I'm acting so out of character.

559
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm not like myself because of what you did to me.

560
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: I don't blame nobody for me, not necessarily the things

561
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: that I just didn't learn, I really just didn't like

562
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: my mom didn't teach me anything about she thought I

563
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: was going to abuse it. I remember her being like,

564
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm not telling y'all nothing about girls, nothing about how

565
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: to deal with women. I was kind of a miss.

566
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: I was a misstep, but she was just trying to

567
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: make sure that we didn't become more wicked. But what

568
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: she really did was she didn't give us information.

569
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: I think that's a Caribbean thing too, Like because my

570
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: mom they definitely never had any talk with me about

571
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: anything when it came to relationships or you know, whoever

572
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: I was going to end up with. It's just not

573
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: a conversation. Not they just don't want you to do it.

574
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: Did they talk to you about sex though, No, my

575
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: mom definitely talked me about But did she tell you

576
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: about se put on that condom? I don't want no babies.

577
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: She was just keeping it a buck and I could

578
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: live with that. I was like, cool, you got a

579
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: bunch of boys. You got to figure out how.

580
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: To do that because you could be bringing home all

581
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: kind of kid.

582
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could go left. But she definitely just didn't

583
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: want to give me game on women. But and my

584
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: pops was just he's had a lot of women.

585
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: So I had dad as your yeah, example of what

586
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: it is.

587
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: My earliest superhero was a guy that just had a

588
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: ton of women around him. He wasn't treating them well

589
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: because he definitely was gone. It went left with my mom.

590
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: She was still in his life when he just had

591
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of women. His mistress used to live a

592
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: couple blocks away, and everybody knew, we knew, my mom knew.

593
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 2: I guess this is wild. She might hear this and

594
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: be like, yo, you tell me, Oh, she might be at.

595
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: It right, but that was normal that you're so right

596
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: about that. One of my friends is Jamaican and her

597
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: it was actually her husband had a whole other family

598
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: around the corner. She only found out because she followed

599
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: him one day. Oh my god, and he act like

600
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: he had a job, he was going to work, but

601
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: he was going to his other house around literally around

602
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: the corner. That's expensive too, Yeah, yeah, it is. You

603
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: got to really have it going on to really do

604
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: yo broke.

605
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: Maybe God's be broke having three families. I don't know how.

606
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: They do it, Yeah, because one family is a lot,

607
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot, And I could tell you have expensive taste already, So.

608
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm gonna have I'd have my girl and

609
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: my kids being fly. I would end up being a

610
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: bum if I had multiple families, right, because.

611
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: They care them first. Yeah, Now look back to fuck

612
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: being sad. You did say that you wish you were

613
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: still friends with your ex, but she don't mess with you?

614
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: Which ex are you talking about?

615
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: She's not going to get the credit, so I'm not

616
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: even gonna point it.

617
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, why don't she talk to you at all? Anymore,

618
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: like why and what do you miss about that?

619
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: I think we just had a really good relationship, like

620
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: our connection, our bond is people like we were friends first.

621
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: So in the last couple of relationships, I figured out

622
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: whole friendship has to be the thing that you prioritize.

623
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: Me it took a while to do that. Only you

624
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: meet somebody, you're just interested in them for the purposes

625
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: you're interested in them for so Yo, she's exciting, she's sexy,

626
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: he's sexy, whatever you like, like you know when it's

627
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: male or female. But you don't go into it with

628
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: the intention of, Yo, you cool. I just want to

629
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: be cool with you. You're attractive, I'm attracted, but that's not

630
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: the intention here. I just want to see if you're cool,

631
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: and we could hang out, we could play table tennis,

632
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: and we could.

633
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: Go table whatever it is, you know specific.

634
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: And she was that. She was just a cool a

635
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: really cool person, like a really great friend. But then

636
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: when we introduced the relationship component friendship, it's just everything

637
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: went out the window. It just couldn't work. It wasn't sustainable.

638
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you could be faithful.

639
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: Faithful? Nah, I'm saying that I'm looking around the room.

640
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: Monogamy is a heavy responsibility on everybody. Yes, it's heavy.

641
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: It's heavy. So for you to ask somebody to make

642
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: sure that you're there all and there you're all, and

643
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: they come to you to seek all of their needs

644
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: that they can't fulfill internally, all the things that external needs,

645
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: that's heavy. Most people aren't ready for that. They say

646
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: they are, but how could you when you get the

647
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: two am call? Yo, come on, you know what's up?

648
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: I melick.

649
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: Dan's getting married in a couple of months and he is.

650
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to be you know, I

651
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to be faithful. Yeah, I'm not.

652
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean I can't guarantee anything, but it definitely feels

653
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: like for them, they're each other's Are you just maybe

654
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: haven't found that yet? Like you said, well, you.

655
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: Know what, not the drag Dan into this because he's

656
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: got to go home to his woman and that would

657
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: be dangerous. She's lit them, I can Dan. How difficult

658
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: is it to go to one person for all of

659
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: the things you need, even when they're an exceptional human being?

660
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: How challenging is it? Really? Text? Because that becomes our expectation,

661
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: we really do expect the person that we love and

662
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: we trust and we're transparent with to somehow be able

663
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: to fulfill the things that we communicate to them that

664
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: we need right and they have their own life qualms, expectations, faults, Like,

665
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: how does that work for real?

666
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: It's just a conversation.

667
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

668
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: I feel like no one will ever be able to

669
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 3: fulfill everything anyone needs. No one will ever reach that

670
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: level of fulfillment period. So like for me with my fiance,

671
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: it was kind of just like, what are the most

672
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: important things in my life that I either can't do

673
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: by myself or don't want to do by myself? And

674
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: is this someone that I can see to be the

675
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: mother of my children? Is this someone that I can

676
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: trust to like lead me? Is it someone I can

677
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: trust to make important decisions under stressful situations? And yeah, and.

678
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: He converted his religion to get married, so he's Muslim

679
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: now wow? Yeah, sorry, Dan, Yeah, he's a big fan

680
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: of yours. Doesn't wanna let you know. He was very

681
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: excited you would coming.

682
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: To the fire.

683
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Fire questions, That's why That's why he was That's why

684
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: he has no problem answering these questions.

685
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: But I'm also not going to answer questions behind the scenes,

686
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: and then people are watching the interview on everyone it's like,

687
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: what are the saying?

688
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, of course he's a professional. Did you have

689
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: any questions before I finish? Before I continue?

690
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: Now you keep doing your thing, okay, all right, So.

691
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: Christian Sex Club, since we just talked about religion and

692
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: your fashion, Like, I do have a sweatsuit that I

693
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: love that I've had for literally years.

694
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: How's the fabric?

695
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: It's amazing. When I tell you, I could wash it,

696
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: put it in a dryer, no problem. And every time

697
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: I wear it, people are like, where did you get

698
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: that from?

699
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: How's the packaging that it arrived in.

700
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember the packaging. I felt like maybe I

701
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: had the zipper bag.

702
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a tour It should have been even transparent.

703
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: It was transparent black and it has like the oh.

704
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: It says not a cult.

705
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah so, and I love it like to this day

706
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: it's still in. It looks brand new like the day

707
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: that I got it. And you know, I'm big on quality.

708
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm not the type. I don't like fast fashion.

709
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: Same yeah, same. I mean I do like a skin

710
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: tight something on somebody I like mm hm and I

711
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: usually ain't so expensive.

712
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: Right, right, But I don't want to well women, I

713
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: think get away with that.

714
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: Guys, don't it don't work.

715
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: You can't have No. I don't want well made quality clothing,

716
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: strings hanging off of it.

717
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: Crazy. You got lint in your bed from the inside

718
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: of your terry cloth shirt or hoodie that you wearing,

719
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: you could tell.

720
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: But even the name Christian sex club. Talk to me

721
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: about that because we just talked about religion. We just

722
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: talked about the two different like, you know, you're young

723
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: and you're yang, So was that ever something that like,

724
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: did you get any flack for that or did with people? No?

725
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Nope, I didn't get any flack. And saying that out

726
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: loud now, who knows what that's going to fight? Who

727
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: knows what's gonna come from that. But no, people never

728
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: took it as something that was sacrilegious because it doesn't

729
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: come from that place. Right. I'm too rooted in religion,

730
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: too real for me. In fact, the whole part Saint John,

731
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: Christian sex club, the Cross, these are all things that

732
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: I ran from. My mom pushed me into religion, forced

733
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: it upon us. She wasn't even going to the church.

734
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: She had us going to what. Yeah, she was on

735
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: that type energy. Yeah, Caribbean mom energy.

736
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: I used to have to go to church with my

737
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: my grandfather all the time, and as soon as he

738
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: moved back to the West Indies, my mom stopped going

739
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: to church and my grandfather would write us letters every

740
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: week about how my mom was now like a you know,

741
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: just how he was upset about the path that she

742
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: took and we have to go to church, and he

743
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: became a missionary and everything.

744
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: My mom is a minister.

745
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, that's next level.

746
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: So and my so, my grandmother and my mom they

747
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: both studied metaphysics and I guess they got their masters

748
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: in metaphysics. So that's their acting. Well, my grandmother passed now,

749
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: but my mom is carrying on a tradition and she's

750
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: a minister. So if she's not offended, and she knows

751
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: the intention of her child, she knows how she read me.

752
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: And she's so proud of you.

753
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure, super proud of me, super proud. I played

754
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: her festival season. I went to see her in Connecticut

755
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: for like Christmas. H yeah, Christmas, and I played it

756
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: for her in a car and some of it is

757
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Volga for sure. So I'm like, oh man, how's Barbara

758
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: gonna deal with this? She wasn't tripping at all, she

759
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: ain't break a sweat. She actually was like, this is unbelievable.

760
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Because my mom calls me my first name, which is Carlos.

761
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: N Yeah, well she says Carlos. So she was like, Carlos,

762
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: this is beautiful. She gave me the greatest compliment. I

763
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: don't play music for my mom, really I don't. It's

764
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: not something that's not a part of my practice.

765
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: But does she come to shows?

766
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: She has, because I've invited her, for sure, and she

767
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: comes and she's really proud, and she'd be she'll drip,

768
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: she'll be dripping in her own aesthetic. She won't look

769
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: like nobody else. And she I remember, she said, this

770
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: body of work is so incredible and refined and mature,

771
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: and she just kept saying things. And I only have

772
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: like two instances in my life when I played music.

773
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: For first time was when I sent her Brownskin.

774
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Girl, because you knew she was gonna love that automatic.

775
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: Automatic, so she loved that. And then the second time

776
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: was another song. And I think this is the third,

777
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: this is the third or the second I.

778
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: Believe that Brownskin Girl, that's surreal. Like to have that

779
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: under your belt. That's something that I don't know who.

780
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: That's a rare accomplishment for anyone.

781
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: Thank you.

782
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: It feels good.

783
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: Yes, that's how I felt when I wrote it. That's

784
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: I felt just like that because my intention was so clear.

785
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm not when I'm making music, I'm trying to be honest, right,

786
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm just being honest with whatever the emotion is at

787
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: the time and the transparency of my feelings. But Brownskin

788
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Girl had an intention. I knew what I was aiming

789
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: to do when I was making it. I don't often

790
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: do that, so to look at the target fire and

791
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: hit it. Because I was trying to make a song

792
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: that I thought about my future children. I was thinking

793
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: about a future daughter that I could have one day.

794
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: And if all I did was make songs and all

795
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: I did was leaving money, and all I did was

796
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: take cool pictures, and all I did was know some

797
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: people and make some movies, then I didn't do anything

798
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: intentionally for them or for her. So this was future daughter.

799
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: This is for you. I'm making this for you because

800
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: I want to sing this to you at night.

801
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: I want you to know beautiful.

802
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: That was my hope in my dream. So I don't

803
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: have the I don't have a kid yet. Yeah, but

804
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: that was my hope, and I didn't consider all the

805
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: people that would be singing it to their daughters. I

806
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: was making it for one that I would have.

807
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: So wait till that happens. That's gonna be. I can't

808
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: wait till you do that.

809
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that.

810
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: Clip with this music playing and you in the hospital.

811
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: It's gonna blow my whole mind.

812
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: Having a daughter is also gonna change probably your whole

813
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: view on Yeah.

814
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be I'm be softer, I'm be a sucker, right,

815
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: that's what happens. Guys would come.

816
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: Sucking you gotta get for you.

817
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: They saw a review in the tapes and all the

818
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: terrible things they did.

819
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't want that karma to hit me

820
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: and my daughter goes because the one thing I will say,

821
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: as a man, you should want your daughter to be

822
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: with somebody like you.

823
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so you got little time to work on it.

825
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm a really good guy, you know what.

826
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if most guys will say, if they're

827
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: really honest, they look in the mirror I'm like, no,

828
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: you look, this is just me talking about me. So

829
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: it sounds crazy either way. Taking however, the quality of

830
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: human being that I feel like I am when I

831
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: look in the mirror, I'm who I say I am.

832
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: And that's the most important thing to me. I'm who

833
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: I say I am. How many people you mean, they're

834
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: not who they say?

835
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: Are you right? You know what you're getting?

836
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some I got some things, I got fixed,

837
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: some patches I gotta patch up. But I'm who I

838
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: say I am. And I think that's remarkable, and.

839
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: You feel like you're exactly where you need to be.

840
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: Because even thinking about how you got on the map

841
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: as far as being an artist, because we know you

842
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: were writing songs also, but getting on the map as

843
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: an artist and having a song like break through the

844
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: way it did, that's also something that's really I don't

845
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: know too many situations like that either, you know, just

846
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: with Roses and seeing how everything happened and transpire from

847
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: when you put it out and then years later to

848
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: have that be a song that's like a big hit.

849
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: It was incredible confirmation for me. When I first put

850
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: out Roses, I was certain it was a hit record.

851
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: What's funny is that that's part of the Beyonce conversation too,

852
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: because initially I wrote Roses because I was trying to

853
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: get it to her and it just never landed, and

854
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm no, this is this is

855
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: a record. And I tell this to the other songwriters too.

856
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, somebody came up to the media other day,

857
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: like I was in Berlin, and they're like, y'all, I

858
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: got a hit record for you. First of all, I'm

859
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: not taking records from nobody.

860
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Ecause then they gonna act like you stole this song.

861
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: I gave him the record. I ran up on him

862
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: in Berlin.

863
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't take nobody writes my songs. I write every

864
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: single thing I do. I co produce every single thing

865
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: that I make. I don't want nobody's ideas, not because

866
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: other people don't have good ideas, just because every word

867
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: I say. I want to be true to my story

868
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: in my belief system. I want to design a fabric

869
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: I live in.

870
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Does that come from you having written songs for other

871
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: people and their interpretation of it maybe not being your

872
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: intention or where does that come from?

873
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: I think all my heroes were just independent, okay, and

874
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: I borrowed from that, and I just want to be

875
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: the author of my own destiny and all the language

876
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: and all the script that goes with it. That's always

877
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: been a course that I wanted to chart. So a

878
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: God comes to me and Berlin, he's like, I got

879
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: to hear record for you, and I tell him that.

880
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 2: I was like, it's a hit. He's like, yeah, I said,

881
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: and why are you trying to bring it to me?

882
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: Fam put it out. If it's what you say it is,

883
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: you don't need me. That's what I felt when I

884
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: made Roses. If it's what I say it is, I

885
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: don't care who doesn't want it. It's going And it

886
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: did that. So that was incredible confirmation for me. I've

887
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: seen my dreams come true and confirmation of my belief

888
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 2: multiple times in my life enough to know that I'm

889
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: not crazy. Other people just don't get it yet.

890
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: What are another couple of examples where you've seen that happen.

891
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen in fashion when So Christian Sex Club,

892
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: I turned it from a thirty thousand dollars investment to

893
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: a multimillion dollar company that's huge, just independently and not

894
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: to I don't say it like no flex, I say

895
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: it like.

896
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: That's a big deal.

897
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: That's business acumen. Because I'm an art entrepreneur. I take

898
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: my ideas and I turn them into real things that

899
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: are tangible. So all I do is continue believing in

900
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: myself and I continue investing in my ideas and my thoughts.

901
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: Most people don't do that.

902
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: You're right about that. People will have the best ideas,

903
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: but if you never execute an idea doesn't matter. And

904
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: then someone else does it, and you're like, I had

905
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: that idea, and now I see this person doing it.

906
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: And there's also people who are creative but also don't

907
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: like to deal with the business aspects of things. But

908
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: you are very involved in your own business side of things.

909
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to manage myself. I came from that

910
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: school of thought where I have to go in a

911
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: room and talk to people and learn the game.

912
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: And then bigs But does big still manage you? So

913
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: how did that come? And that's for a while now,

914
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: So how did you even how were you able to

915
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: even give up that type of control being that you

916
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: manage yourself, And clearly a lot of what you do

917
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: business wise is you being independent doing your own thing.

918
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: I wanted some When I first met Biggs. First of all,

919
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: it's Biggs. I'm wearing a Rockefeller cham.

920
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: I see the whole thing.

921
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: All right, this is just part of my childhood dreams.

922
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: I get really excited think about it. A Brooklyn, this

923
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: is it. This is it. When I met him and

924
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: he was a fan of mine, which is trippy. He

925
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: was like, yo, bro, I'm a fan. Tata just put

926
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: me onto the music and we just started building a

927
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: really good relationship. And what I needed at the time,

928
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: and what I still need and require, is I just

929
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: needed somebody who's going to fight with me, not fight me,

930
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: fight someone else on behalf of the things that I need,

931
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: the belief systems that I have, the art that I

932
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: was making. I just needed somebody in a room that

933
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: could have a difficult conversation with other people. That's all

934
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: I wanted. I didn't need anybody with great resources. I

935
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: didn't need anybody who knew how to do this. Are

936
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: you willing to put your fists up for me?

937
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: Right? Do the hard negotiation?

938
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: That's it? And he was that.

939
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: He was like, sometimes negotiating for yourself gets emotional too.

940
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: It does.

941
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: It's hard because it's like you know your value, and

942
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to hear other people try to like place

943
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: something on it that you think is more valuable than that.

944
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: It's good to have somebody else do that because it

945
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: can get very heated in those conversations. When you're going

946
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: to bat for yourself and you know what you want

947
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: and then someone says something, you'd be like, you know what,

948
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: forget it? Fuck you.

949
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: You need separation, Yeah, you do, because you're talking about yourself.

950
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: They say business isn't personal, but when you're a person

951
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: doing business, it's as personal as it possibly gets. So

952
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: you need a little bit of separation just so you

953
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: can communicate your needs and somebody else can. Someone else

954
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: can scream as someone without it coming back to you. Right,

955
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: you need a bat.

956
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what happened in that. I

957
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: just want to know we got to where we needed

958
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: to get to.

959
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great at that because he was a silent

960
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: partner for one hundred and thirty nine years, so he

961
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: knows how to be a polite bully.

962
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: And Bigs ain't big no more either.

963
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: This is this is six pack of bigs. It's a

964
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: sick faust. Bigs ain't big no more. You got me

965
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: adulged in this.

966
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: Now I want to talk also about because you are

967
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Guyanese and you know the song Loneliness that's not a

968
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: new album that has a Caribbean feel to it all

969
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: the way, all the way. So tell me about, you know,

970
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: the process of making that song and how this came about.

971
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: So we started it everything that I did from this

972
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: collection I made in Puerto Rico. Okay, So when I

973
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: was there, as I'm living there, I'm listening to reggaeton,

974
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: I'm listening to them bao, I'm listening to everything that's fast,

975
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: it makes you move, that makes you dance, and I've

976
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: never really been able to make people dance. That's like

977
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: one of my I gotta figure that out because I

978
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: think it's a skill. Right. So when I was making Loneliness,

979
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 2: I was like, this song is beautiful, but it didn't

980
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: have the drums and it didn't have the tempo yet.

981
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: I just made it just the chord. So it was

982
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: just a really pretty sad song, which I'm clearly good

983
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: at making sad songs because I'll be sad. But then

984
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: I called Mashall Montana That's the king. Me and Mishall

985
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: met a couple of years ago Road March in Trinity

986
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: and we've been meaning to work and I was like, bro,

987
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: I got a record. He's the King and I'm super

988
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: humble and we got a good relationship, and I'm like, bro,

989
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: would you would you do this? Would you get on

990
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: this record with me? The song is done. I just

991
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: needed him to do backgrounds. I just wanted him to

992
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: do ad libs and he was like absolutely, and.

993
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: I was like, that's great.

994
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: Bro. Marshall was down straight to the top and I

995
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: was like, yo, the drums. He was like, I know

996
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: the drums ain't there. He's like, I'm gonna get it right.

997
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: So he worked with his guys to get the drums right.

998
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: That's so dope.

999
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: So it makes my heart warm. That's hometown hero for.

1000
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: Me's I feel you on that. I met him at

1001
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: the they had the Caribbean Awards and he was there.

1002
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: I was like, this is amazing. He's in Brooklyn at

1003
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: King's Theater, like crazy, yeah, crazy.

1004
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: So that song Loneliness is Soca. It sounds like Afro

1005
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: Caribbean is really a Soca.

1006
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: Record, right right. I feel it because when I heard it,

1007
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: I was like, this feels like you at you know,

1008
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: at a carnival or a road march.

1009
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait to do it at carnival. He was like, Yo,

1010
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: we gotta do this one a carnival. I said, we're

1011
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: gonna win. We're gonna ren ruled March if we go.

1012
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: So wait, So you still have another collection after this, Yeah,

1013
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: and you said they are both. This is coming out

1014
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: February twenty first festival season, but then you have the

1015
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: next collection dropping this year.

1016
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Fake Tears from a Pop Star.

1017
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Fake Tears from a Pop Star? What is that?

1018
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: So Festival Season and Fake Tastes from a Pop Star

1019
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: a two halves from the same Apple Festival Season is animated.

1020
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: It's extroverted, and Fake Tess from a Pop Star is introverted.

1021
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: There's lots of moments on it when I'm reflecting on

1022
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: things that are difficult for me to talk about. Okay,

1023
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: you hear a lot of information, a lot of life reality.

1024
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: It's probably me at my status and most vulnerable and

1025
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: most open, and I try to be open and honest

1026
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: in all of my music, and sometimes it's clouded by

1027
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: the production, Like when you hear Festival Season. The production

1028
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: is so dynamic that you don't realize there's moments that

1029
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: are troubling me, that are things that are hurting me

1030
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: because it's disguised by the drums in the sense right,

1031
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: But on Fake Tears from a Pop Star, the title

1032
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: of it in and of itself is I'll tell you

1033
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: what it really derives from. I know that the place

1034
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: that I've managed to walk myself into at this point

1035
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: in my life means that even when I'm going through something,

1036
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: it just seems performative to people. When I'm on that

1037
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: stage and I'm giving my best self, my most hurt self,

1038
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: my most honest self, my most difficult conversations happen when

1039
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: I'm on that stage. Festival season is the stage, and

1040
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: Fake Tears is the result of being on the stage

1041
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: knowing that when I cry and they clap, it doesn't

1042
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: solve my pain. And the applause that I get from tears,

1043
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: they just think it's cool, he's performing. They don't know

1044
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: that I go home and I got to deal with

1045
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: myself and my realities are harsh, no matter what car

1046
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: I drive, no matter where I live or how big

1047
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: my windows are. Same kid from Brooklyn, the same kid

1048
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: from East New York as found himself in a different

1049
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: place in life, but his problems found him.

1050
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you said, nobody wants to hear

1051
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: these complaints from a rich Yeah.

1052
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody wants to hear a rich and a good cry.

1053
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. It doesn't seem free because especially not on social media.

1054
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, as soon as somebody's having some issues,

1055
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: they're like, well, what the they're famous, what do they

1056
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: care to they have money, we don't want to hear

1057
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: even like look at the fires in La right, I

1058
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: saw people not having any type of empathy for people

1059
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: who have literally lost their homes. Yo, you're rich by

1060
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: another one, because you don't know what people's You know,

1061
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: you might have a nice home, maybe that was your everything.

1062
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: But just seeing that, I was like, we are in

1063
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: a world where people don't be having no empathy for you.

1064
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: If and when people see like a rich person, they

1065
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: automatically think your life should be perfect.

1066
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because well it looks like that. H from the

1067
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: outside end. I was a super poor kid, just just

1068
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: trying to hustle, trying to get it, so I might

1069
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: have thought the same thing until experience taught me that

1070
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: money doesn't it doesn't cure your pain. It doesn't make

1071
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: anything go away. It illuminates everything. Just so if you

1072
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: have all the resources you need and you finally have

1073
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: access all the things that you want and you still

1074
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: can't find peace, that's the scariest thing on the planet.

1075
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: Because you were told that when you grow to a

1076
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: place where things are better for you and the scenario

1077
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: is better, you will feel better. Well that doesn't happen.

1078
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: It destroys you because who are you supposed to run

1079
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 2: to because you can't run away from yourself? Fake tis

1080
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: from a pop stars that I can't run away from myself.

1081
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: Wow, this is going to be amazing. And I know

1082
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: I saw you responding to people that were like, are

1083
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 1: you sure it's really coming out? So what's the rollout?

1084
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: And people are asking questions like that, and you've even

1085
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: for the first collection though you put out like I

1086
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: think three singles yeah, yeah, ahead of time that people

1087
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to listen to. So I do think

1088
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: that people sometimes feel like they like when people are

1089
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: in pain and make music. Yeah, like audiences prefer that

1090
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: for some reason.

1091
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: But they're not hoping you heal. They're not saying yo,

1092
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: he's in pain. I wishing the best. I love this music.

1093
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing. I hope you find peace. They're

1094
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: like more pain, hurt more.

1095
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll be like, oh, Mary makes the best music

1096
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: when she's going through some heartbreak. I know this next

1097
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: album's going to be hit. And it's like, Dan, you

1098
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: don't want her to.

1099
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: You don't want to be happy. And you know, because

1100
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: you trade your humanity for this type of success or

1101
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: this type of visibility, you stop being human a minute.

1102
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: You become something that someone celebrates. That happens right your

1103
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 2: anonymity is out the window and you're no longer a person.

1104
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: You no longer your mother's son, your sister's friend. You

1105
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 2: just you just lit.

1106
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: How is Puerto Rico for you living there? And do

1107
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: you feel like you get more privacy being in Puerto

1108
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Rico than you would in La or New York?

1109
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: I do? I do. I wanted peace. I wanted something

1110
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: that felt like Diana. That's what I was chasing. I

1111
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 2: needed the version of Guyana that I can still get

1112
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: my business done because I was really close to the

1113
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: rest of the planet. So I do a lot of

1114
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: work in Europe and a lot of work in America.

1115
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: In Puerto Rico, Sandwich right in the middle I could

1116
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: get the Florida in two hours. I could get straight

1117
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: to Barcelona and seven eight hours with a direct flight.

1118
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: It's peaceful, it's simple. Nobody nobody cares about Saint John.

1119
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: Nobody's looking for me, like, yo, that's the guy who

1120
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: did Roses or brownskin girl.

1121
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: They don't care Jan right, Jan st Juan San Juan.

1122
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: So do you speak Spanish at all? Now you're working

1123
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: on it?

1124
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're my accent through.

1125
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how how is it though for you living there?

1126
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Because that is a different I mean, it's completely different

1127
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: from every experience that you had.

1128
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in some ways it might be the bravest

1129
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: thing I've ever done. But I'm so accustomed to moving

1130
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: because I'm looking for the life that I've dreamt of

1131
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: in my head. So I'm cool to hunted. I don't

1132
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: mind hunting it. Then, if I'm being really transparent, Puerto

1133
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 2: Rico's racist. No one talks about that, and I've never

1134
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: even said that out loud.

1135
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: You mean like colorism or in every variation. Yeah, we

1136
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: hear a lot about that. I remember Amaro ln Neegta

1137
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: I talked about the colorism and the Hispanic community, and

1138
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: that's been a real thing the images you see on TV.

1139
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: It's loud, active and very present. Even when you think

1140
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: of Latin artists, you don't think of nobody that don't

1141
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: look whitish, Right, you're right, and that I'm like, that

1142
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: ends up being that's an amplification of whatever's happening on

1143
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: a small scale. Right. You look at the things that

1144
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: represent the culture that we consume and you're like, oh,

1145
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: this is Latin culture. Show me what it's about, give

1146
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: me a demo of it. And you see a slide

1147
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: show you don't see any you don't see people of

1148
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: varying color. You start thinking only that exists, and only

1149
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: that should be celebrated, because that's the only thing that

1150
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: they're allowing to be celebrated.

1151
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: Like in They're Telenovela, as they say, it's all like

1152
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: white looking Puerto Ricans and Hispanic people on those same thing.

1153
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: In the musicianship, there's black artists. You never hear about them.

1154
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: Right, And then that's always been an issue in some

1155
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: of the reggae tone videos. It's like, where's all the

1156
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: brownskin women in the videos?

1157
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: The afril athenas, Where where's the representation from them or

1158
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: for them? It's just not present, and then when you

1159
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 2: get there and you live in the land, that's when

1160
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: you Yeah, I feel the absence of it, like they

1161
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: almost look at you. I remember when I first got there,

1162
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: I just didn't get it. I'm six three, my hair

1163
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: looks like this. I'll be wearing my sleeves off, my

1164
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: legs be out. I'm like, so it's kind of hard

1165
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: to miss me. I'm kind of like an alien.

1166
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Right sleeves off, legs out here.

1167
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: I am right here. I'm walking through the mall. I

1168
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: remember walking through the mall one day and I've never

1169
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: felt this before. And I've been around the world and

1170
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: I've seen racism in different ways, and I remember nobody

1171
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: looking at me, and I remember thinking, Okay, that's not

1172
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: crazy that people aren't looking at me. But people would

1173
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: go out of their way to not look in my direction.

1174
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: And it took me a while of process. I was like,

1175
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: what's going on here? I just didn't get it. I

1176
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 2: couldn't because my brain does in default too. They don't

1177
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: love me because of the color of my skin, because

1178
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: my skin is beautiful, I'm glowing. I can't. Yeah, you

1179
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: love that seems like you don't love yourself. So my

1180
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: brain didn't compute it like that, and it took three

1181
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: years before I could see the experience. I could gather

1182
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of experiences, and I saw

1183
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: that this is consistent. Like, oh, y'all, just don't y'all,

1184
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: don't rake.

1185
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: Looking at me. You purposely refused to you.

1186
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: Don't acknowledge my humanity. And then when because I'm in

1187
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: the capital, the capital of any country should tell you

1188
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: a lot about the country, right, it tends to reflect

1189
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: all of the small behaviors of that economy in the

1190
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: capital and find no black people unless they tourists. I'm like, nah,

1191
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: I can't How was that?

1192
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: That's wild?

1193
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: How was that? I gotta go to Bignon's, I gotta

1194
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: go to Louisa. I'm in San Juan. Where's the people

1195
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: of color? Everybody here white? So yeah, and I lived there.

1196
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: So I imagine this conversation on make some people upset,

1197
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: and hopefully it makes some people feel a little bit

1198
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: more reflective.

1199
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and think about you know, yea, the times that

1200
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: we're in Boy, well, listen, I want to thank you

1201
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: so much for coming, like this was an amazing conversation.

1202
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: Dan's happy you even got Dan to open up. Oh man, No,

1203
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: but I appreciate it because I know we took this

1204
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: in a lot of different you know places, and this

1205
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: could have went on and on and on. Oh, I

1206
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: do want to actually one last thing because I wrote

1207
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: down a little bit of notes the song anything can

1208
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: happen where I know you've worked with Kanye and Mika

1209
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: is on there. He addresses Kanye his support of Trump.

1210
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes people get on your records, not just you, but

1211
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: like in general, and they talk about someone else. Is

1212
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: that a decision to make? Like Ooh, I don't know

1213
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: if I want to put this on my song because

1214
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: we've heard this happen with other people, Like I know

1215
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: he was gonna say something about this person, or what

1216
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: did you think when you heard it?

1217
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool. It's freedom and speak you

1218
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: got to be It's is art. If you can't express

1219
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: yourself in art, then where would you feel free enough

1220
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: to even communicate your pains or truths. I thought it

1221
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: was cool, Like that's how you really feel. He ain't

1222
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: really say nothing offensive. He just said his perspective. He

1223
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: ain't say nothing derogatory or degrading.

1224
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: It was just like we're thinking, like a lot of

1225
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: us this.

1226
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: A line of thinking don't make sense for me. I

1227
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: thought that was cool. But if somebody says something I

1228
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 2: genuinely don't believe in and I got to stand behind

1229
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: it on a piece of art, like I don't even

1230
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: like the opinion that it exists, then I might have

1231
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: to counsel myself, because I really don't want to limit

1232
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: people from being able to tell the truth, but I

1233
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: don't want them.

1234
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: To do it on myney, not on your Have you

1235
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: ever had to be like, let me take this off,

1236
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: let me I haven't. Okay, I haven't. Do you ever

1237
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: have to send something back to someone and be like,

1238
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm really feeling this verse? Can

1239
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: you okay?

1240
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: Do it again? That's not the direction. I ain't do

1241
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: it again?

1242
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: Is that hard to do?

1243
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: Oh? I just get on the phone and have an

1244
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: artist artist conversation.

1245
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: Okay, some people get offended. That's by no.

1246
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: I'll be like, look, so the way I was thinking

1247
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: about this was melodic. You went rhythmic.

1248
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: That's nice. You're so good. You're dynamic.

1249
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: I'm dynamic.

1250
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: Well. The first the second installation, a collection to Fake

1251
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: Tears from a Pop Star, is going to be out

1252
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: later this year. Right, that's a that's a promise. That's

1253
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: a promise. Yeah, Okay, I don't want to have to

1254
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: run his bag, no, because that would.

1255
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: Be dissatisfied for me. I'd be dissatisfying. Okay, it's been

1256
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: four years. People have been waiting for collection too, so

1257
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm clear that it needs to happen because musically, I

1258
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: got to move on. Creatively, I have to keep going.

1259
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 2: So if I've been here making fake tasts from a

1260
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: pop star for four years, that means that the fact

1261
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: that you and I having this conversation right now means

1262
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: that I'm actually no longer creative.

1263
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: Lea there, So that's donner. Is it done already?

1264
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 3: Wow?

1265
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm in a future. I'm thinking about the collection great,

1266
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: the two collections that come out after that. I'm almost

1267
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 2: fashioning the way that I look at art, the way

1268
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: designers release their collections a close. I'm looking at Fall

1269
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six nice like I can't. I can't

1270
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: live here in this moment for too long. I get stuck.

1271
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: Well, festival season is for sure February twenty I heard

1272
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: it February twenty first, and I'm gonna go back and

1273
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: listen to it some more since I just got it.

1274
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: But don't worry, I won't leak it out or nothing.

1275
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: Cool And yeah, thank you so much. This was such

1276
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: a pleasure to be able to sit and have this conversation.

1277
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: May you finally got the talk?

1278
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: Finally? I know we've been working on this, but thank

1279
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: you so much. Just two Brooklyn kids, you know, kicking.

1280
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: It Brooklyn kids. More to come, all right,