WEBVTT - Give the Gift of a Mystery Box

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuffworks

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Hey, welcome the Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have a classic episode for you here today, a

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<v Speaker 1>holiday episode to to get you through this period of

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<v Speaker 1>holiday stress and uh and gift giving. That's right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the Mystery of Box. And for some reason, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to go, Yeah, it's inter the mystery Box aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of this is interesting because I believe we do mention J.

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<v Speaker 1>J Abrams uh in this episode and uh. J j

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<v Speaker 1>Abrams has kind of made a name for himself with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mystery Box is one of the you know we

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<v Speaker 1>lost and then with his subsequent film work. Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of it's kind of earned a backlash from

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<v Speaker 1>it at times, the idea that that maybe at times

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're actually withholding a little too much for us,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes the mystery box, like the Virginity box that

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<v Speaker 1>I discussed in this episode, turns out to be empty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. And I guess that's based on interpretation too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's heavily subjective, but but I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to I want to throw that out there in case

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that's really hating on J. J. Abrams right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not saying you should. Uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have high hopes for the new Star Wars films like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else, but but just in case, just take just

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<v Speaker 1>understand that this is coming from from earlier Julius and Roberts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And gentle listener, if you would like a

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<v Speaker 1>quick recommendation of a mystery box like documentary, check out

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<v Speaker 1>Finding Vivian Mayor. This is fascinating. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody is familiar with us, but if you're not, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great documentary about what happens when John Mloup, a

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<v Speaker 1>real estate agent, buys four hundred dollar box of mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>He's looking for some archival stuff and discovers one of

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<v Speaker 1>the richest tapestries of American street photographs and this very

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious woman behind the photographs. To check it out. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are in the holidays, in the midst of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're piping the music and to the mardest station. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's some sort of vaccine. It's going to protect

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<v Speaker 1>us simply being a wonderful chime. Yeah, that one that

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<v Speaker 1>makes seven in the morning, you know, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to your own music or get stuck in your

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<v Speaker 1>own book. At any rate, it's not even December yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm you know, I'm already I understand the train

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<v Speaker 1>station is U is killing your air drums with Christmas music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean the big thing about Christmas, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is the gift giving, right Christmas saw Holidays, So the

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<v Speaker 1>whole whatever you're you're calling your winter gift giving shenanigans, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it generally relates to taking something in a box, wrapping

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<v Speaker 1>it up, sticking in a bag, creating this air of mystery, right,

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<v Speaker 1>what's inside it? What could it be? And and people

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<v Speaker 1>get excited about it, right right, So in this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>we're basically advocating give the gift of an empty box.

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<v Speaker 1>Well okay, not necessarily an empty box. And we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this because maybe you could, you could fill this

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<v Speaker 1>box with ideas, thoughts and presented as a president, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that will go over really well, especially with the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're so cheat. Yeah. I do. My uncle

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<v Speaker 1>Craig and the gift raffle this year, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give him some like a box of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and we'll see how that plays out. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna love it, and I think that that you should.

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<v Speaker 1>If he doesn't understand it, he's going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this podcast so he can really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes one of the base gifts is a mystery, right, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And we can't help but get really excited about a

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<v Speaker 1>mystery about what might be inside of a box. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes we approach it, we unwrap it with gusto,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes we shy away. And so we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that in various forms today, right, because that's what's is.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what it's always fascinating about a gift box

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<v Speaker 1>or a mystery box. It's the mystery. It's not I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tear into that thing and get what's in it.

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<v Speaker 1>And and Grant, we sort of lose track of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes with our gift giving, with the with

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<v Speaker 1>the use of saying like an Amazon gift list and

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<v Speaker 1>all this, because it's like because it's it's so regimented,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, these are the things I want, these are

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<v Speaker 1>the things you may give me, Please check them off.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know people are cheating anyway, and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>there's no mystery there and seeing what they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get ahead of time. But but yeah, mystery boxes in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We were chatting about this. We each have like a

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<v Speaker 1>few different stories that relate to mystery boxes in our

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<v Speaker 1>own life. Will you talk a little about the art

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<v Speaker 1>in your house? And yeah, yeah, we have um in

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<v Speaker 1>our house. We have a giant painting and it's an

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<v Speaker 1>abstract and it sort of looks like it could be

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<v Speaker 1>um maybe like an advertising, like a poll or something

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<v Speaker 1>that is that is has like a little advertisement on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of that is an envelope that has

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<v Speaker 1>been attached to this painting and it is sealed and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way you could remove it without absolutely destroying

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<v Speaker 1>the painting, or if you open it, you would destroy

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<v Speaker 1>the pain. But it is a part of the work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not merely something that says like, hey, guys, hope

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoyed the piece I make for you. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>receipt for the painting, suckers. Um. But no, this was

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<v Speaker 1>actually something that was given to us by a friend

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<v Speaker 1>and we traded out some of our work and so

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Jeff will never tell us what is

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<v Speaker 1>inside that envelope. But as you can see, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at it, actually you can see the corners of

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<v Speaker 1>the envelope have been played with enough that they've been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of turned up. And so it drives everybody crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly my father in law. He wants to know what

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<v Speaker 1>is in that envelope. Uh, and I'm pretty sure he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably tried to steam an open before two and we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been home. But it does drive people nuts because

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<v Speaker 1>there's this idea that maybe it could contain the secrets

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<v Speaker 1>of the world, or maybe it would, I mean, at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least just have something really interesting to say, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because it contains basically anything in the world until you

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<v Speaker 1>open exactly, it has all the pa abilities in the

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<v Speaker 1>world until you open it. Right, But could it be

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<v Speaker 1>a Pandora's Box? Could all the ills of the world

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<v Speaker 1>fly out of that envelope and they can never be

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<v Speaker 1>stuffed back in, They can never be stuffed back in.

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<v Speaker 1>All the demons are out there. Um. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that you mentioned is a little postcard that

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<v Speaker 1>I have or a couple of them at my cubicle.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, it's a scratch off like sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a I guess what you call like a lottery ticket. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lottery ticket, and there's a woman in a beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>dress and she's got a big round scratch off over

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<v Speaker 1>her head. You can scratch off and see what's underneath,

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<v Speaker 1>but I refused to. I want the mystery. Now, did

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<v Speaker 1>you place them on there? Or did they come? They came?

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<v Speaker 1>They came that way, because every time I walk by

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<v Speaker 1>your desk, I see those and there is a temptation like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on under there? Yeah? What is what is

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<v Speaker 1>going on with that lady? Or in one of them

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<v Speaker 1>a llama or something? Yeah, there's a llama? Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>is this? Allama have a head? Is it is it's

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<v Speaker 1>head missing? I don't know, I know, is it? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it a monkey underneath a lama? And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you've just revealed yourself. If I ever find them scratched,

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly who did it. Well. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really a miracle that that nobody has scratched it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I brought a model airplane to work and it's been

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<v Speaker 1>broken twice by mysterious hands. Yeah, but how mysterious hands

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<v Speaker 1>are not going after your art? Because that whatever like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of gremlin we have is interested in model airplanes

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<v Speaker 1>and not art. Um So anyway, there's are some examples,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you have an example of a mystery thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, I have a really good one. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a story. I haven't actually told this one a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's such a good story, so now I

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<v Speaker 1>will share with the world. Back when I was like

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<v Speaker 1>in junior high, my my family went to this Southern

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<v Speaker 1>Baptist church and they were big on the whole wait

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<v Speaker 1>till you're married to have sex. And if you've had

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<v Speaker 1>sex already as a junior high kid or a high

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<v Speaker 1>school kid, um, you need to sort of regain your virginity,

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of a new replacement virginity can be bestowed

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<v Speaker 1>upon you and then keep that one intact until such

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<v Speaker 1>time as you're married in the eyes of God and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. So a part of this campaign, if you will. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>We were all issued a little box who was wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>in gift paper. It was the size of a cassette tape.

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<v Speaker 1>For those of you who remember cassette tapes, the little

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<v Speaker 1>plastic case that it comes in. It was that size,

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed, if you pressed on it and sort of

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<v Speaker 1>felt the package, you could tell that it was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact like a cassette box that was wrapped up okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's sealed, right, But it's sealed, and and then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the big question is is what's inside that

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<v Speaker 1>box now? Now, obviously, what is the purpose of the

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<v Speaker 1>SPOX Why the box is supposed to represent your virginity,

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<v Speaker 1>the special gift that God has bestowed upon you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you were supposed to keep it in treasure it and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and you're not supposed to unwrap it until

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<v Speaker 1>such times. So when you make love and the Holy

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<v Speaker 1>Spirit then visits you, you're able to unwrap this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah there. Yeah. Basically, so they were like, here you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course after you've been married yet, this is a reminder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's like a metaphor no now, So

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up sticking this package away for for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time because, as it turns out, I didn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>have to open it until I was into my twenties. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>which is no big deal. If you're you know, any

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<v Speaker 1>of your kids listening right now, and you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of weird pressure to go out there and

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<v Speaker 1>and have some sex, let me just tell you if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that big a deal. So I just uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, chill out. It'll all make a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>sense later. But but so I'm in my twenties and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I'm doing whatever. And then I realized, hey, um,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing happened the other week, So now technically I

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<v Speaker 1>can open that package and I won't be cheating because

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine some of the kids took it home and

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<v Speaker 1>opened it immediately because they were like, oh, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what this is? What's inside this? And I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>have You weren't married, right, like, you didn't know? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to hear. I'm just saying like this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this was the the idea, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't it was. There were other causes for me

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<v Speaker 1>not opening that package though I was in my twenties, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So but I'm saying, though, it's not like you wait

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like okay, no, no, it's just you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's that package. Right. It just ended up not happening

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<v Speaker 1>in my life until I was at that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at this particular age. And then then I realized, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got that package. And so the next time I

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<v Speaker 1>came home and I went through a box of my

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<v Speaker 1>old stuff and I found it. I'm like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go ahead. And open this up see what

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<v Speaker 1>this was all about. Because I was kind of superstitious

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<v Speaker 1>about it before. I was like, well, if I opened

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<v Speaker 1>it too early, what if that jinxes me for life?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, even though you don't subscribe to

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<v Speaker 1>any even though you don't subscribe to it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. And then I was also thinking, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>if there's like this nasty note in it that it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's from my youth pastor and he's like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you're really screwed up there, buddy, or or a way

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<v Speaker 1>to throw away your precious gift. You know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I um, so I opened it up and the

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<v Speaker 1>box is empty. There's nothing inside it, Like there's not

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<v Speaker 1>a note saying I'm shaking my head now, God bless

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<v Speaker 1>or a note saying I hope you did the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, a prize, a gift certificate. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's really sad because I mean, that to me is

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<v Speaker 1>just laziness. Because or I would think that the church

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<v Speaker 1>thought so little of the kids ability to retain the

0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.360
<v Speaker 1>virginity that they were like, you know what, that's not

0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.839
<v Speaker 1>going to happen anyway, Let's not fill it with anything. Well,

0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.320
<v Speaker 1>it would have also been bed if they filled it

0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.480
<v Speaker 1>with something perishable, like some candy or something, because then

0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wow, they had no faith in us at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, just go ahead and put you know,

0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the expiration date is next month. Uh, they're probably gonna

0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.440
<v Speaker 1>open it tonight. Might as well have a treat in

0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.880
<v Speaker 1>there to keep them business. And see, so you were

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<v Speaker 1>disappointed because all of the possibilities ceased to exist, right,

0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I was disappointed. Uh, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just more kind of fascinating, like why why didn't they

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<v Speaker 1>put something? And it was it intentional? I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>to think that probably they were just pressed for time

0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and they wanted to do something. But like a far

0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.520
<v Speaker 1>side cartoon, they could have thrown in anything. Yeah, you

0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:51.240
<v Speaker 1>know a fortune cookie? Um? Uh what you mud call it?

0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.079
<v Speaker 1>A little slip of paper? Yeah, I know the lottery

0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:55.720
<v Speaker 1>numbers on it. I don't know. I wasn't you know,

0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.520
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't disappointed, and I certainly wasn't like, oh I

0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.160
<v Speaker 1>wish I had opened this ages ago, literally or figuratively.

0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it's It just shows you, though, how

0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the idea of something in a package can sort of

0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:12.240
<v Speaker 1>captivate your mind for years and years on end. Well, okay,

0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:16.040
<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about one more story. Ben Bolan gave

0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.320
<v Speaker 1>me a special gift the other day stuff they don't

0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.680
<v Speaker 1>want you to know. Yeah, And by a special gift,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he gave me a package, not his virginity

0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.640
<v Speaker 1>but but it was. And I didn't know it was

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<v Speaker 1>from him at the time, but I came into work

0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.040
<v Speaker 1>and there's a package and it said mystery, Um, you know, gift.

0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.080
<v Speaker 1>You can choose to open it, keep it or throw

0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.439
<v Speaker 1>it away or cross out your name and give it.

0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It says, a mystery package arrives. Do you do? And

0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I shared this on the Facebook and we had different answers.

0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Some people were like, throw it away, give it away,

0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.640
<v Speaker 1>open it now, I must see what's inside it. And

0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it turned it was a book that we had been

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. But but it really captivated my well psychologically,

0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that everybody was like, what could it be?

0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Could it be something good or ill will? Which is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially what every box presented to you, is right? And

0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.880
<v Speaker 1>is it a test? I was kind of getting shadows

0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.520
<v Speaker 1>of the uh, the virginity box there because I'm like

0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Clay am I nant to open this am I meant

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<v Speaker 1>to give it to someone else, so I ended up

0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.760
<v Speaker 1>actually crossing out my name, putting yours on it. And

0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.839
<v Speaker 1>then you treat you were scared to death of it.

0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, thanks, Lamb. So then I ticket

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<v Speaker 1>to someone else and then we crossed it out and

0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>then back back. So it was meant to be. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh it was a book Illuminati trilogy. Yeah, there we go,

0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:37.000
<v Speaker 1>which lovely think for Ben does Ben? Thanks if you're listening. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, let's talk about when you you receive a

0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.000
<v Speaker 1>box that you don't want. And let's say that your

0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:48.040
<v Speaker 1>name is Enzo Antonia and you live in Genoa, Italy,

0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and your port worker who specializes in radiation detection. Ah,

0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.239
<v Speaker 1>this is the the story. I believe this was unwired

0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:01.040
<v Speaker 1>um about the the radioactive cargo container. Yeah, shows up.

0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's inside it, but we know that

0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.040
<v Speaker 1>whatever is inside it is radioactive. Yeah. Like basically, it's

0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.800
<v Speaker 1>just another day, another thousand of these things a day

0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.120
<v Speaker 1>coming into this one particular port. So that's that's actually

0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a pretty sobering statistic, by the way, because if you

0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:15.960
<v Speaker 1>think about it, there are millions and millions of these

0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.720
<v Speaker 1>shipping containers and cargo containers um going around the world.

0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.160
<v Speaker 1>So here's this one port thousand a day and Zoe

0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.160
<v Speaker 1>shows up, turns on his radiation detector and the thing

0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.680
<v Speaker 1>goes nuts. In fact, it gets off the charts, and

0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.280
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't even gone into the area to actually try

0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to UM do his security check. So it turns out

0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that there is uh something inside of it obviously that

0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.440
<v Speaker 1>is highly radioactive, and they think that it could be

0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.400
<v Speaker 1>a dirty mom and they freak out and they move

0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it away as far as possible. In the meantime, it

0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:54.840
<v Speaker 1>languishes on that doc for almost a year, Yeah, because

0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.480
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to figure out who is going to pay

0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:59.040
<v Speaker 1>for it, Can we get it, can be a where

0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.160
<v Speaker 1>did it come from? And we ship it back Saudi

0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Arabia from from whence it originated? Was like no way, no,

0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you? Um. And you know these things are really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to track yea. And what does it contain? Is it?

0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Is it some sort of nefarious device? Is that? Is

0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it just waste material? Is it the ark of the Covenant?

0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:21.920
<v Speaker 1>But exactly exactly and it is actually tagged as waste material.

0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a picture of the inside bit. Of course, when

0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.200
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at all these copper coils, you know, twenty

0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.000
<v Speaker 1>two tons of copper coils. Something obviously could be put

0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.000
<v Speaker 1>in there and and you would never discover it. Uh

0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.920
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, sat there for a long time until they

0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.000
<v Speaker 1>finally got a robot to go in and um, they

0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.800
<v Speaker 1>use some cameras and they figured out that it was

0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a chunk of cobalt. Yeah, which was even odd because, um,

0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is not some sort of material that

0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.600
<v Speaker 1>you find every day. In fact, I believe that it

0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.000
<v Speaker 1>came from or at least they're thinking that it came

0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.560
<v Speaker 1>from some sort of medical device or machine used to

0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.040
<v Speaker 1>sterilized food. And it's really expensive to dispose of this

0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. Um, but apparently this is just not

0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.120
<v Speaker 1>all that odd that you would have shipping containers with

0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.920
<v Speaker 1>nefarious things inside of it. In fact, that Wired dot

0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:14.160
<v Speaker 1>com the article wise is cargo container emitting so much radiation?

0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Said that there was this one guy who they found

0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and this was just six weeks after Nune eleven, by

0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the way, Um they found him inside of when the

0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.600
<v Speaker 1>shipping containers because they heard noise and they opened it

0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.240
<v Speaker 1>up and lo and behold, they found that this guy

0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.200
<v Speaker 1>was hanging out in there with a satellite phone, uh,

0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:37.160
<v Speaker 1>cell phone, a laptop, cameras, maps, security passes to airports

0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.160
<v Speaker 1>in Canada, Thailand and Egypt. And the container was outfitted

0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.920
<v Speaker 1>with a bed, a water supply, a heater, and a toilet.

0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so, and you know, okay, it was a little

0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.920
<v Speaker 1>bit odd, right, don't you think? Well, I don't know,

0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seen some magazine articles where dudes take a cargo

0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.080
<v Speaker 1>container and transforming into an upscale apartment, right right. But

0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.440
<v Speaker 1>he was not, you know, that some sort of model

0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.080
<v Speaker 1>for Dwell magazine, you know, saying oh look at my

0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.560
<v Speaker 1>great postmodern home here. Um. They actually nicknamed him container

0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Bob and the Kui posted bail and Italian court. It

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was never seen again. Yeah so, I mean, you know,

0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and there's been a lot of talk actually about security

0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:20.320
<v Speaker 1>of shipping containers, and so that remains a pretty big problem,

0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.359
<v Speaker 1>or you know, I guess you would say a blind

0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.919
<v Speaker 1>spot in security, right, And of course we don't have

0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to dwell much on this, but obviously there are tons

0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of like the big thing, the big show today on

0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.040
<v Speaker 1>multiple networks is the whole antiquers and these people checking

0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.000
<v Speaker 1>out abandoned the storage facilities, uh where they get to

0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the auction off the contents of abandoned storage, especially in

0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.720
<v Speaker 1>this economy where people are no longer able to pay

0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.760
<v Speaker 1>for him, right, and they're mostly filled with nothing anyway,

0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.960
<v Speaker 1>But there's always that chance, and people get really into

0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.719
<v Speaker 1>that idea because they don't say, all right, everybody, go

0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:55.160
<v Speaker 1>in here and check it out and see if there's

0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.800
<v Speaker 1>anything you want to buy. They're like, we're gonna sell everything.

0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.320
<v Speaker 1>You buy, you buy everything or nothing, you keep everything

0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.119
<v Speaker 1>or nothing, and you just get a break. So so

0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.760
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a great example of people that are just

0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 1>captivated by the possibility that in the midst of all

0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that junk and and left over uh material from somebody's

0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.240
<v Speaker 1>life and somebody's sob story. Uh, there's gonna be something

0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that I have read that mostly what people find are

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.040
<v Speaker 1>like stacks of porn. I'm not kidding, really, Yeah, and

0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe there's some vintage porn in there that

0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that you could sell on eBay. I don't know, but yeah,

0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.360
<v Speaker 1>most of the time, it's not anything that that's that's

0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.840
<v Speaker 1>very exciting. It's not like you get like Hannibal Lecters

0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.320
<v Speaker 1>storage unit had a vintage car and a severed head.

0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.160
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of science of the lens too, because

0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.879
<v Speaker 1>it's not Hannibals, but like somebody else's and they have

0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.879
<v Speaker 1>somebody the new Hannibal, right, like a head in a

0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.920
<v Speaker 1>jar or something. You're right. It was Ruskin or something,

0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.359
<v Speaker 1>one of his patients. I think that was his name.

0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I remember that. But in a

0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.399
<v Speaker 1>moment here we are going to talk about humans as

0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.200
<v Speaker 1>mystery boxes, and we'll get a little more into the science, uh,

0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:11.399
<v Speaker 1>and not just amusing tale. That's right, keeping containers. All right,

0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 1>we're back. Let's uh, let's open this up. Okay, if

0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.080
<v Speaker 1>it was insided here, all right, So before we get

0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to humans, we're gonna have to talk about cats, specifically

0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.919
<v Speaker 1>a cat in a box. Yes, and this would have

0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.720
<v Speaker 1>This was one that I think most of our listeners

0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.520
<v Speaker 1>are gonna be familiar with, and that is, of course

0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.879
<v Speaker 1>shroed Injur's cat. We're not gonna dive too deep into

0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the quantum physics here because but but essentially this is

0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a this is a thought experiment, and it has to

0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:41.840
<v Speaker 1>do with the Copenhagen interpretation of uncertainly. Yeah, that was

0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the first proposed by boer Uh and it says that

0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a quantum particle doesn't exist in one state or another,

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.240
<v Speaker 1>but in all of its possible states at once. It's

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.800
<v Speaker 1>only when we observe its state that a quantum particle

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.320
<v Speaker 1>is essentially forced to choose one probability, and that's the

0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.760
<v Speaker 1>state that we observe, all right, So it's essentially a

0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:05.280
<v Speaker 1>lesson in uncertainty and particle physics in the quantum world. Right.

0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 1>So here comes Stroinger in Austrian physicist, right, and he

0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.400
<v Speaker 1>puts together a thought experiment. Like thought experiments are often

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.680
<v Speaker 1>really useful to to to illustrate a point and to

0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.320
<v Speaker 1>make something that's a little uh hard to grasp a

0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.840
<v Speaker 1>little more concrete, right, And then in the point of

0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.160
<v Speaker 1>a thought of experiment is not to have a solution

0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 1>per se, right, yeah, nor to kill cats, but to

0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.199
<v Speaker 1>just sort of make you think about it. So in

0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.760
<v Speaker 1>his experiment, he puts a cat in a box along

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.439
<v Speaker 1>with a bit of radioactive material like and you know,

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 1>like we're talking about with this radioactive container um and

0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.760
<v Speaker 1>a Geiger counter, all right, which is a device that

0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.679
<v Speaker 1>measured radiation. Of course, So the the Geiger counter is

0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.280
<v Speaker 1>designed so that if it senses the decay of the

0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:52.080
<v Speaker 1>radioactive material and all radioactive material decays, it triggers a hammer,

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:57.479
<v Speaker 1>which then breaks a flask that contains acid it put poison.

0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Their different versions of this, but basically you've if if

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.520
<v Speaker 1>this radioactive elopment decays, it triggers something that kills the cat.

0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>And so if you were to open that box, that

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.440
<v Speaker 1>that that the particles are gonna have to be in

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.280
<v Speaker 1>one state or the other. The cat is going to

0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>be alive or dead. There's no there's no one between.

0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:17.679
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be one or the other. Even the that

0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:21.000
<v Speaker 1>cat has been poisoned with the ham or whatever had

0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.000
<v Speaker 1>acid poured on it, or it's fine and just maybe

0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:25.679
<v Speaker 1>a little ticked off that you put it in the

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 1>thought experiment. But but it's unknowable. I mean, essentially it's unknowable.

0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:31.720
<v Speaker 1>And you have to sort of accept that this cat

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.959
<v Speaker 1>is in both states, right, and and don't think you

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.159
<v Speaker 1>can't listen for the me owing. Yeah, described and if

0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:42.359
<v Speaker 1>you start thinking about the hammer thing and the radioactive decay,

0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 1>it's just sort of imagine shorting or as as a

0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:48.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of like a peewee of the physicists, like creating

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>these little contraptions. Yeah, and he also knew that the

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.040
<v Speaker 1>more thought he put into. Actually, he also realized that

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the more thought he put into into how the cat

0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 1>actually dies, the creep period it would be so right again,

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.679
<v Speaker 1>no cat died. This was just a thought experiment. But

0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.480
<v Speaker 1>why the reason why we're talking about it is that, um,

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you could give a sort of alternative reading about whether

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>or not this really applies to us in how we

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.080
<v Speaker 1>perceive reality. Right, because the cat in this in this

0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.200
<v Speaker 1>situation is in a quantum state. It is, it is

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.639
<v Speaker 1>both dead and alive. It is in both states at

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 1>once until we open the box and by perceiving it,

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:34.359
<v Speaker 1>change it. So there's this question consciousness of reality, right, Um,

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, is there an actual consciousness of reality? Does

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it only exist until we begin to think about it? Um?

0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Or is there just no material reality whatsoever? You know

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about here. So in terms of like, okay,

0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 1>are we all just linking the cat in the box.

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:54.440
<v Speaker 1>We're both dead and alive, We're both unconscious and conscious

0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.800
<v Speaker 1>until we begin to really speculate about life and sort

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<v Speaker 1>of peel back the layers and begin to to investigate

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 1>what it means to be alive or what it means

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to even be part of this physical world. Yeah, does

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.879
<v Speaker 1>does Spain exist if you don't know about it? That

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing exactly true? Make a sound on the forest, yeah,

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:19.679
<v Speaker 1>exactly to hear it all that, you know, it's it's it.

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>That's that's one of the reasons that the Stroger's Cat

0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:28.119
<v Speaker 1>is so endearing. Well, I don't of endearing. It's the words, right,

0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.400
<v Speaker 1>but but it's such a good u such a good

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 1>cognitive chew toy for everyone because it gets down to

0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of really um, you know, mind rending philosophical

0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.679
<v Speaker 1>pondering about the state of reality. So you sent me

0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.359
<v Speaker 1>this link to this guy named Scott Aaronson, Yes, and

0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and he sort of takes this idea not not like wholesale,

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.800
<v Speaker 1>but he applies it to us as automatums, right right, Yeah,

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy Scott Aaronson came up with this notion presented

0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>at this lecture. Uh. And it's basically a touring test

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 1>for free will. Turing test being something that I aimed

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 1>at to gauge the intelligence of the machine to see

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.919
<v Speaker 1>if the machines can think on the same level as humans.

0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>It's also been using a lot of sci fi and

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 1>all that. Yeah, and the main question that touring asked

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.240
<v Speaker 1>was kN machines think right, this was the initial question,

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>and then he sort of threw that out said, you

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>know what, that's not even the question. The question is

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 1>are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the imitation game? Right? Right? Like he basically he redefined

0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the question in terms that it could be actually examined

0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a little closer and tested. Um. So Aaronson is is

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>dealing with similar question, but he's he's interested about free will,

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.199
<v Speaker 1>all right, and it also involves super smart computers. And

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.440
<v Speaker 1>that's when when when we say super smart computers, that's

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about the imitation game, right right? Okay,

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>So what does this test consist stuff? Um? Okay. On

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the surface, it basically means somebody would hand you an envelope,

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.239
<v Speaker 1>probably a robot when hand you the hanvelope, right, and

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>it would tell you that. The idea would be, if

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 1>you open this envelope, it'll tell you what you're thinking

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>or or saying or doing at a particular point in

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.679
<v Speaker 1>the future. It would be like that. It would be

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like the Virginity box if I opened it, however, many

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.119
<v Speaker 1>years later and found a note inside to tell that

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>told me exactly where I lost my virginity and how

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>into who oh wow? Okay, so then with that and

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>that would be like whoa how did a machine know

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 1>that ahead of time? Clearly I'm if I'm not predictable,

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>if I'm that kind of a system that can you know,

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>It's it's like weather, right. We build these computer models

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>of weather and an atmospheric systems to try and figure

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>out what they're going to do in the in the future,

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and we can only do that with a limited amount

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of of success, with only so much accuracy. So could

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you have data that can continue to bring you back

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>into a more accurate system, right? Right? So what if

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>we we dipped into something like the Blue Brain project,

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, the idea of building a working copy, digital

0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>copy of the human mind. What if a supercomputer was

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 1>able to build a copy of your mind and then

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>by analyzing that copy, that mathematical model of you, and

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>then they could accurately plan out the rest of your

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>life or anything you could conceivably do, say, or think,

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.160
<v Speaker 1>and then tell you make up this note and printed out,

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>hand it to you and say open this next Thursday,

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you what you did. Right, And this

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>is what Aaronson the same that you could do this

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.159
<v Speaker 1>in a couple of ways, Like you could continue to

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>do some sort of trial and error process where you, uh,

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 1>you sort of get the landscape of someone's brain by

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 1>asking someone a ton of questions and then build a

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>model of predictability based upon that, right, Or you could

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 1>do something like the Blue Brain project, which is a

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 1>reverse engineering the brain by building a detailed, realistic computer

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>model of the human brain. And it's one trillion synapsis.

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.199
<v Speaker 1>So then you have this this this other system that

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.640
<v Speaker 1>is analyzed sing the way that you think, what how

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>your your snapses are firing and what they're responding to.

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, essentially, what what Aaronson is saying what is

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>so interesting is he's saying, you know, maybe there's not

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>free will. You know, maybe there is a certain amount

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of predictability unpredictability, but it's finite. Right, It's almost like

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the cat in the box. There are only two choices.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>There is a factor of unpredictability there because it's either

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>dead or alive, but it's still you know, just these

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>one of two things. Right, So through trial and error

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>there you're going to predict or accurately predict eventually what's

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>happening with this cat um And I'm not saying that's

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>what it's going to happen in quantum physics, but in

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>terms of how we begin to really think about technology

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and how it's interacting with us at a meaningful level

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 1>as we go forward. Um, it does sort of beg

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the question even more about free will. And we've talked

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>about it many times before, but this this is certainly

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>an interesting proposition, pretty predictable, Yeah, and it comes down to, uh,

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.199
<v Speaker 1>we keep coming back to this idea of at what

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>point does science demystify, uh, the human experience and then

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>how do we relate to that? And then it tends

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>to to to divide into two basic camps. Either it's

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>terrifying or it's deliberating, Like the idea that that that

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>there that there's no free will. Uh, it either means great,

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>there's something maybe there's there's something in charge, or I

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about it there's not you know,

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to get been on a shape over

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the over choices because ultimately there are no choices, or

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 1>that's ultimately really damning because you're you're thinking there's no

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>choice in life. I'm just this automaton mindlessly following its programs,

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>making the same mistakes over and over again, doing the

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>same stuff, and there's no changing it. And that's why

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>mysteries becomes really important again, right, because sometimes that's even

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>more important than the actual knowledge, because that's how you

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to the heart of it. Yeah. I actually in researching this,

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I found a book called and bear with me that

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>The title here is the Triumph of God over Evil

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 1>um by William Hasker of the University of Edinburgh. And

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's actually an interesting looking book if anybody would like

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to read, like a whole thick book about the theology

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and philosophy of comedy it uh. I think there's a

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>little humor in there, but but mostly it's like it's

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Hasker getting really philosophical about what what is what is

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the nature of free will? How does it factor into

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the belief and God, the belief and evil, you know,

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>getting into some of the old questions about why would

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>God allow evil to exist? And basically he sets out

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>to justify the ways of God demand which which always

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>works well for for authors. But it looks like an

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting book, so if you're into that, check it out.

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 1>But he was actually asking the same question with the

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>same sort of thought experiment. Imagine somebody handed you an

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>envelope and it and you opened it up, and it

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>told you what you just thought or said or did.

0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>And he he predicted that pretty much anybody would be

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>frustrated and angry and resentful upon opening that envelope, even

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>if you agreed with everything it's said, and there's a

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>good chance you would not be happy with what it's

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>said anyway. But even if you were perfectly fine, you

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>were like, yeah, that's me to a t, you probably

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be particularly pleased. Well, no, because I mean, we

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>all want to believe that we're unique, and essentially I

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 1>do think that we are. But certainly there are some

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>things about humans that are predictable and that's so unique. Um, which,

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>of course is going to bring me to J. J. Abrams. Yes, yeah,

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of course the mystery box thing. Um, he really blew

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>up when he did that on the internet because he

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>did that, Ted talk like a year a year ago.

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Maybe no, no, it's more, maybe more because I don't

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>think lost. Yeah, And basically he was talking about well

0:30:43.560 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>he's doing a lot of talking, uh, And it was

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 1>it was a little rambley even for me, and because

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a lot of room to talk. But

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>but basically his whole point was the idea of the

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>mystery box is is so inspiring. He was talking about

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>getting this mystery package from a magic store in New York,

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe, and and you know it's some one of

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>these like you pay a certain amount. He's probably just

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>got some you know, some garbage in it from the

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>magic shops, some stuff they couldn't move, and so they

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 1>just packaged it up in this and sold it. But

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>the Archie McPhee mystery bag, everybody knows about Archie McPhee.

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Who's Archie. It's an online emporium of all things silly,

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and you can get you know, bacon, breath, mints, so

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>on and so forth. So so his Tellhole Ted Talk,

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>which you can you can find easily online Ted Talk,

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>j J Abrams and Google search. He was, he was.

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>He makes the argument that the the idea of the

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>mystery box is what stirs human creativity and what really

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>uh certainly his own creativity and really um motivates him

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to to create. And you actually sent me a really

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting um PDF about curiosity is a memory enhancer. Right,

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>So there's this idea that that that it's not just J. J.

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Abrams talking about how great it is, that there's actually

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>some some research back. Yeah, yeah, that that you know, this,

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>this mystery has to be unraveled in our brains again,

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>like you said, needs a good chew toy which really

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>helps us to learn better into uh, get our noggains engaged. Yeah.

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 1>This particular study was from the California Institute of Technology

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and they did some fm R eyes on people when

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.959
<v Speaker 1>they There are a couple of different like phases of

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>this experiment, but people wanted they were reading trivia questions

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>to creating mixture of high and low creativity UM. They

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 1>measured subjects pupil dilation UH and tested their memory recall

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.959
<v Speaker 1>and and the fm R I showed that the curiosity

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>increases activity in memory areas UM such as the pair

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>of hippocampal gyrus and the left inferior frontal gyrus when

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>subjects said guests incorrectly, which suggests that curiosity may enhance

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 1>memory for new information. And it's funny too. I was

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>thinking about that yesterday. I was working from a coffee

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>shop in there was a French tutor with her to

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>students and they were kind of like scraggle I don't know,

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe like thirteen year old boys and you were working

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>like a Madeline children's book. Yesterday, Yes I was. I

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>was in Paris and there was a gypsy in the

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>corner that was going to kidnap us all. But before

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>that there was a French lesson and uh, they you

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>could tell the guys were kind of bored. And I

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking to myself, if they had this context of like, okay,

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>this this phrase, this sort of rope phrase of like

0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>how are you doing today? I love this artwork here,

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, these sort of things, we might be so

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>much more interesting if their their curiosity was piqued, if

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>their imagination was engaged, if they might think that the

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>person that they were talking to could be uh, you know,

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Hawking or a pretty girl or an attractive boy.

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like you know, they're there are different

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>ways I think that we can play with the blueprint

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of our mind in the way that we acquire a knowledge.

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And I thought that was so interesting that the curiosity

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:56.719
<v Speaker 1>about something really does help this this flicker of our

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>um flame of memory, and uh, I don't know, it's

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>exciting to me. All right, there you have it. Hope

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you enjoyed the mystery box. Do you have a mystery

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>box of information that you want to send to us?

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>You can, indeed, And you know, we'd also love to

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>hear any mystery box scenarios that have gone down in

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>your gift giving our gift receiving life. Um, I'm sure

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>you have some fascinating stories to share with us as well.

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