1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuffworks 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, welcome the Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas, and 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: we have a classic episode for you here today, a 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: holiday episode to to get you through this period of 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: holiday stress and uh and gift giving. That's right. It's 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: called the Mystery of Box. And for some reason, I 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: want to go, Yeah, it's inter the mystery Box aspect 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: of this is interesting because I believe we do mention J. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: J Abrams uh in this episode and uh. J j 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Abrams has kind of made a name for himself with 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: the Mystery Box is one of the you know we 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: lost and then with his subsequent film work. Um, and 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of earned a backlash from 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: it at times, the idea that that maybe at times 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: you're you're actually withholding a little too much for us, 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: and sometimes the mystery box, like the Virginity box that 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: I discussed in this episode, turns out to be empty. 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: It's true. And I guess that's based on interpretation too. Yeah, 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's heavily subjective, but but I just want 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: to I want to throw that out there in case 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: anybody that's really hating on J. J. Abrams right now, 23 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you should. Uh, you know, I 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: have high hopes for the new Star Wars films like 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: everybody else, but but just in case, just take just 26 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: understand that this is coming from from earlier Julius and Roberts. 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: That's right. And gentle listener, if you would like a 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: quick recommendation of a mystery box like documentary, check out 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Finding Vivian Mayor. This is fascinating. I don't know if 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: anybody is familiar with us, but if you're not, it's 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: a great documentary about what happens when John Mloup, a 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: real estate agent, buys four hundred dollar box of mystery. 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: He's looking for some archival stuff and discovers one of 34 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: the richest tapestries of American street photographs and this very 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: mysterious woman behind the photographs. To check it out. Really, 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: here we are in the holidays, in the midst of it. 37 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: They're piping the music and to the mardest station. It's 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: like it's some sort of vaccine. It's going to protect 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: us simply being a wonderful chime. Yeah, that one that 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: makes seven in the morning, you know, you're trying to 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: listen to your own music or get stuck in your 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: own book. At any rate, it's not even December yet, 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm already I understand the train 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: station is U is killing your air drums with Christmas music. Yeah, 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: but I mean the big thing about Christmas, of course, 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: is the gift giving, right Christmas saw Holidays, So the 47 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: whole whatever you're you're calling your winter gift giving shenanigans, Uh, 48 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: it generally relates to taking something in a box, wrapping 49 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: it up, sticking in a bag, creating this air of mystery, right, 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: what's inside it? What could it be? And and people 51 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: get excited about it, right right, So in this podcast, 52 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: we're basically advocating give the gift of an empty box. 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: Well okay, not necessarily an empty box. And we'll talk 54 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: about this because maybe you could, you could fill this 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: box with ideas, thoughts and presented as a president, I'm 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: sure that will go over really well, especially with the kids. 57 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean they're so cheat. Yeah. I do. My uncle 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Craig and the gift raffle this year, So I think 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to give him some like a box of 60 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: ideas and we'll see how that plays out. I think 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna love it, and I think that that you should. 62 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: If he doesn't understand it, he's going to have to 63 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: listen to this podcast so he can really appreciate that. 64 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes one of the base gifts is a mystery, right, um. 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: And we can't help but get really excited about a 66 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: mystery about what might be inside of a box. Um. 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: And sometimes we approach it, we unwrap it with gusto, 68 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: and sometimes we shy away. And so we're gonna talk 69 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: about that in various forms today, right, because that's what's is. 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: That is what it's always fascinating about a gift box 71 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: or a mystery box. It's the mystery. It's not I 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: want to tear into that thing and get what's in it. 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: And and Grant, we sort of lose track of that, 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: I think sometimes with our gift giving, with the with 75 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: the use of saying like an Amazon gift list and 76 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: all this, because it's like because it's it's so regimented, 77 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: it's like, these are the things I want, these are 78 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: the things you may give me, Please check them off. 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: And then you know people are cheating anyway, and seeing 80 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: there's no mystery there and seeing what they're going to 81 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: get ahead of time. But but yeah, mystery boxes in general. 82 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: We were chatting about this. We each have like a 83 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: few different stories that relate to mystery boxes in our 84 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: own life. Will you talk a little about the art 85 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: in your house? And yeah, yeah, we have um in 86 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: our house. We have a giant painting and it's an 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: abstract and it sort of looks like it could be 88 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: um maybe like an advertising, like a poll or something 89 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: that is that is has like a little advertisement on it. 90 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: And on top of that is an envelope that has 91 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: been attached to this painting and it is sealed and 92 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: there's no way you could remove it without absolutely destroying 93 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 1: the painting, or if you open it, you would destroy 94 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: the pain. But it is a part of the work. 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: It's not merely something that says like, hey, guys, hope 96 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: you enjoyed the piece I make for you. Here's the 97 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: receipt for the painting, suckers. Um. But no, this was 98 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: actually something that was given to us by a friend 99 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: and we traded out some of our work and so 100 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: and of course Jeff will never tell us what is 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: inside that envelope. But as you can see, if you 102 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: look at it, actually you can see the corners of 103 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: the envelope have been played with enough that they've been 104 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: kind of turned up. And so it drives everybody crazy, 105 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: particularly my father in law. He wants to know what 106 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: is in that envelope. Uh, and I'm pretty sure he's 107 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: probably tried to steam an open before two and we 108 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: haven't been home. But it does drive people nuts because 109 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: there's this idea that maybe it could contain the secrets 110 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: of the world, or maybe it would, I mean, at 111 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: the very least just have something really interesting to say, right, 112 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: because it contains basically anything in the world until you 113 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: open exactly, it has all the pa abilities in the 114 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: world until you open it. Right, But could it be 115 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: a Pandora's Box? Could all the ills of the world 116 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: fly out of that envelope and they can never be 117 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: stuffed back in, They can never be stuffed back in. 118 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: All the demons are out there. Um. And then the 119 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: other thing that you mentioned is a little postcard that 120 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: I have or a couple of them at my cubicle. 121 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: And uh, it's a scratch off like sort of like 122 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: a I guess what you call like a lottery ticket. Yeah, 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: a lottery ticket, and there's a woman in a beautiful 124 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: dress and she's got a big round scratch off over 125 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: her head. You can scratch off and see what's underneath, 126 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: but I refused to. I want the mystery. Now, did 127 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: you place them on there? Or did they come? They came? 128 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: They came that way, because every time I walk by 129 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: your desk, I see those and there is a temptation like, 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: what's going on under there? Yeah? What is what is 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: going on with that lady? Or in one of them 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: a llama or something? Yeah, there's a llama? Yeah, what 133 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: is this? Allama have a head? Is it is it's 134 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: head missing? I don't know, I know, is it? Is 135 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: it a monkey underneath a lama? And by the way, 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: you've just revealed yourself. If I ever find them scratched, 137 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: I know exactly who did it. Well. I mean, it's 138 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: really a miracle that that nobody has scratched it. Because 139 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: I brought a model airplane to work and it's been 140 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: broken twice by mysterious hands. Yeah, but how mysterious hands 141 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: are not going after your art? Because that whatever like 142 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: sort of gremlin we have is interested in model airplanes 143 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: and not art. Um So anyway, there's are some examples, 144 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: and then you have an example of a mystery thought. 145 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I have a really good one. This 146 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: is a story. I haven't actually told this one a lot, 147 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: but it's it's such a good story, so now I 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: will share with the world. Back when I was like 149 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: in junior high, my my family went to this Southern 150 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: Baptist church and they were big on the whole wait 151 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: till you're married to have sex. And if you've had 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: sex already as a junior high kid or a high 153 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: school kid, um, you need to sort of regain your virginity, 154 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: like sort of a new replacement virginity can be bestowed 155 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: upon you and then keep that one intact until such 156 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: time as you're married in the eyes of God and 157 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: all that. So a part of this campaign, if you will. Um. 158 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: We were all issued a little box who was wrapped 159 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: in gift paper. It was the size of a cassette tape. 160 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: For those of you who remember cassette tapes, the little 161 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: plastic case that it comes in. It was that size, 162 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: and indeed, if you pressed on it and sort of 163 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: felt the package, you could tell that it was in 164 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: fact like a cassette box that was wrapped up okay, 165 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: but it's sealed, right, But it's sealed, and and then, 166 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: of course the big question is is what's inside that 167 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: box now? Now, obviously, what is the purpose of the 168 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: SPOX Why the box is supposed to represent your virginity, 169 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: the special gift that God has bestowed upon you, and 170 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: you were supposed to keep it in treasure it and 171 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: uh and and you're not supposed to unwrap it until 172 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: such times. So when you make love and the Holy 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: Spirit then visits you, you're able to unwrap this. Yeah. 174 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: Yeah there. Yeah. Basically, so they were like, here you go. 175 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Of course after you've been married yet, this is a reminder, 176 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, and it's like a metaphor no now, So 177 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: I ended up sticking this package away for for a 178 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: long time because, as it turns out, I didn't actually 179 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: have to open it until I was into my twenties. Um, 180 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: which is no big deal. If you're you know, any 181 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: of your kids listening right now, and you feel like 182 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: some sort of weird pressure to go out there and 183 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: and have some sex, let me just tell you if 184 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: it's not that big a deal. So I just uh, 185 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, chill out. It'll all make a lot more 186 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: sense later. But but so I'm in my twenties and 187 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm doing whatever. And then I realized, hey, um, 188 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: this thing happened the other week, So now technically I 189 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: can open that package and I won't be cheating because 190 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: I imagine some of the kids took it home and 191 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: opened it immediately because they were like, oh, I wonder 192 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: what this is? What's inside this? And I'm supposed to 193 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: have You weren't married, right, like, you didn't know? Okay, 194 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I just wanted to hear. I'm just saying like this, 195 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: you know, this was the the idea, but yeah, I 196 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: I didn't it was. There were other causes for me 197 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: not opening that package though I was in my twenties, right, 198 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: So but I'm saying, though, it's not like you wait 199 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: and you're like okay, no, no, it's just you're like, oh, 200 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: there's that package. Right. It just ended up not happening 201 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: in my life until I was at that, you know, 202 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: at this particular age. And then then I realized, hey, 203 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: I've got that package. And so the next time I 204 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: came home and I went through a box of my 205 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: old stuff and I found it. I'm like, all right, 206 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead. And open this up see what 207 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: this was all about. Because I was kind of superstitious 208 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: about it before. I was like, well, if I opened 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: it too early, what if that jinxes me for life? 210 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: And then you know, even though you don't subscribe to 211 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: any even though you don't subscribe to it, you know, 212 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: and uh. And then I was also thinking, like, what 213 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: if there's like this nasty note in it that it's 214 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: like it's from my youth pastor and he's like, wow, 215 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: you're really screwed up there, buddy, or or a way 216 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: to throw away your precious gift. You know, I don't know, 217 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: so I um, so I opened it up and the 218 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: box is empty. There's nothing inside it, Like there's not 219 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: a note saying I'm shaking my head now, God bless 220 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: or a note saying I hope you did the right thing, 221 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: or you know, a prize, a gift certificate. I think 222 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: that's really sad because I mean, that to me is 223 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: just laziness. Because or I would think that the church 224 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: thought so little of the kids ability to retain the 225 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: virginity that they were like, you know what, that's not 226 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: going to happen anyway, Let's not fill it with anything. Well, 227 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: it would have also been bed if they filled it 228 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: with something perishable, like some candy or something, because then 229 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, they had no faith in us at all. 230 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: They were like, just go ahead and put you know, 231 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: the expiration date is next month. Uh, they're probably gonna 232 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: open it tonight. Might as well have a treat in 233 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: there to keep them business. And see, so you were 234 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: disappointed because all of the possibilities ceased to exist, right, 235 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I was disappointed. Uh, it was 236 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: just more kind of fascinating, like why why didn't they 237 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: put something? And it was it intentional? I tend to 238 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: to think that probably they were just pressed for time 239 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: and they wanted to do something. But like a far 240 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: side cartoon, they could have thrown in anything. Yeah, you 241 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: know a fortune cookie? Um? Uh what you mud call it? 242 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: A little slip of paper? Yeah, I know the lottery 243 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: numbers on it. I don't know. I wasn't you know, 244 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't disappointed, and I certainly wasn't like, oh I 245 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: wish I had opened this ages ago, literally or figuratively. 246 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's It just shows you, though, how 247 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: the idea of something in a package can sort of 248 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: captivate your mind for years and years on end. Well, okay, 249 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: so let's talk about one more story. Ben Bolan gave 250 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: me a special gift the other day stuff they don't 251 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: want you to know. Yeah, And by a special gift, 252 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean he gave me a package, not his virginity 253 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: but but it was. And I didn't know it was 254 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: from him at the time, but I came into work 255 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: and there's a package and it said mystery, Um, you know, gift. 256 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: You can choose to open it, keep it or throw 257 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: it away or cross out your name and give it. 258 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: It says, a mystery package arrives. Do you do? And 259 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: I shared this on the Facebook and we had different answers. 260 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Some people were like, throw it away, give it away, 261 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: open it now, I must see what's inside it. And 262 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: it turned it was a book that we had been 263 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: talking about. But but it really captivated my well psychologically, 264 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: I think that everybody was like, what could it be? 265 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: Could it be something good or ill will? Which is 266 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: essentially what every box presented to you, is right? And 267 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: is it a test? I was kind of getting shadows 268 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: of the uh, the virginity box there because I'm like 269 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Clay am I nant to open this am I meant 270 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: to give it to someone else, so I ended up 271 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: actually crossing out my name, putting yours on it. And 272 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: then you treat you were scared to death of it. 273 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: I was like, well, thanks, Lamb. So then I ticket 274 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: to someone else and then we crossed it out and 275 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: then back back. So it was meant to be. And 276 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: uh it was a book Illuminati trilogy. Yeah, there we go, 277 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: which lovely think for Ben does Ben? Thanks if you're listening. Yeah, 278 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: So okay, let's talk about when you you receive a 279 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: box that you don't want. And let's say that your 280 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: name is Enzo Antonia and you live in Genoa, Italy, 281 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: and your port worker who specializes in radiation detection. Ah, 282 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,239 Speaker 1: this is the the story. I believe this was unwired 283 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: um about the the radioactive cargo container. Yeah, shows up. 284 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what's inside it, but we know that 285 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: whatever is inside it is radioactive. Yeah. Like basically, it's 286 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: just another day, another thousand of these things a day 287 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: coming into this one particular port. So that's that's actually 288 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: a pretty sobering statistic, by the way, because if you 289 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: think about it, there are millions and millions of these 290 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: shipping containers and cargo containers um going around the world. 291 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: So here's this one port thousand a day and Zoe 292 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: shows up, turns on his radiation detector and the thing 293 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: goes nuts. In fact, it gets off the charts, and 294 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: he hasn't even gone into the area to actually try 295 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: to UM do his security check. So it turns out 296 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: that there is uh something inside of it obviously that 297 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: is highly radioactive, and they think that it could be 298 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: a dirty mom and they freak out and they move 299 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: it away as far as possible. In the meantime, it 300 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: languishes on that doc for almost a year, Yeah, because 301 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out who is going to pay 302 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: for it, Can we get it, can be a where 303 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: did it come from? And we ship it back Saudi 304 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Arabia from from whence it originated? Was like no way, no, 305 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: thank you? Um. And you know these things are really 306 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: hard to track yea. And what does it contain? Is it? 307 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: Is it some sort of nefarious device? Is that? Is 308 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: it just waste material? Is it the ark of the Covenant? 309 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: But exactly exactly and it is actually tagged as waste material. 310 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: There's a picture of the inside bit. Of course, when 311 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: you're looking at all these copper coils, you know, twenty 312 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: two tons of copper coils. Something obviously could be put 313 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: in there and and you would never discover it. Uh 314 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: So anyway, sat there for a long time until they 315 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: finally got a robot to go in and um, they 316 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: use some cameras and they figured out that it was 317 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: a chunk of cobalt. Yeah, which was even odd because, um, 318 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, this is not some sort of material that 319 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: you find every day. In fact, I believe that it 320 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: came from or at least they're thinking that it came 321 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: from some sort of medical device or machine used to 322 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: sterilized food. And it's really expensive to dispose of this 323 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: sort of thing. Um, but apparently this is just not 324 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: all that odd that you would have shipping containers with 325 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: nefarious things inside of it. In fact, that Wired dot 326 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: com the article wise is cargo container emitting so much radiation? 327 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Said that there was this one guy who they found 328 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: and this was just six weeks after Nune eleven, by 329 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: the way, Um they found him inside of when the 330 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: shipping containers because they heard noise and they opened it 331 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: up and lo and behold, they found that this guy 332 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: was hanging out in there with a satellite phone, uh, 333 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: cell phone, a laptop, cameras, maps, security passes to airports 334 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: in Canada, Thailand and Egypt. And the container was outfitted 335 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: with a bed, a water supply, a heater, and a toilet. 336 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah so, and you know, okay, it was a little 337 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: bit odd, right, don't you think? Well, I don't know, 338 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: I've seen some magazine articles where dudes take a cargo 339 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: container and transforming into an upscale apartment, right right. But 340 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: he was not, you know, that some sort of model 341 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: for Dwell magazine, you know, saying oh look at my 342 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: great postmodern home here. Um. They actually nicknamed him container 343 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Bob and the Kui posted bail and Italian court. It 344 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: was never seen again. Yeah so, I mean, you know, 345 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of talk actually about security 346 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: of shipping containers, and so that remains a pretty big problem, 347 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: or you know, I guess you would say a blind 348 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: spot in security, right, And of course we don't have 349 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: to dwell much on this, but obviously there are tons 350 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: of like the big thing, the big show today on 351 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: multiple networks is the whole antiquers and these people checking 352 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: out abandoned the storage facilities, uh where they get to 353 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: the auction off the contents of abandoned storage, especially in 354 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: this economy where people are no longer able to pay 355 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: for him, right, and they're mostly filled with nothing anyway, 356 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: But there's always that chance, and people get really into 357 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 1: that idea because they don't say, all right, everybody, go 358 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: in here and check it out and see if there's 359 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: anything you want to buy. They're like, we're gonna sell everything. 360 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: You buy, you buy everything or nothing, you keep everything 361 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: or nothing, and you just get a break. So so 362 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: that's that's a great example of people that are just 363 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: captivated by the possibility that in the midst of all 364 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: that junk and and left over uh material from somebody's 365 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: life and somebody's sob story. Uh, there's gonna be something 366 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: that I have read that mostly what people find are 367 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: like stacks of porn. I'm not kidding, really, Yeah, and 368 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe there's some vintage porn in there that 369 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: that you could sell on eBay. I don't know, but yeah, 370 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: most of the time, it's not anything that that's that's 371 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: very exciting. It's not like you get like Hannibal Lecters 372 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: storage unit had a vintage car and a severed head. 373 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking of science of the lens too, because 374 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: it's not Hannibals, but like somebody else's and they have 375 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: somebody the new Hannibal, right, like a head in a 376 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: jar or something. You're right. It was Ruskin or something, 377 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: one of his patients. I think that was his name. 378 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: I don't know why I remember that. But in a 379 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: moment here we are going to talk about humans as 380 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: mystery boxes, and we'll get a little more into the science, uh, 381 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: and not just amusing tale. That's right, keeping containers. All right, 382 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: we're back. Let's uh, let's open this up. Okay, if 383 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: it was insided here, all right, So before we get 384 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: to humans, we're gonna have to talk about cats, specifically 385 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: a cat in a box. Yes, and this would have 386 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: This was one that I think most of our listeners 387 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: are gonna be familiar with, and that is, of course 388 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: shroed Injur's cat. We're not gonna dive too deep into 389 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: the quantum physics here because but but essentially this is 390 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: a this is a thought experiment, and it has to 391 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: do with the Copenhagen interpretation of uncertainly. Yeah, that was 392 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: the first proposed by boer Uh and it says that 393 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: a quantum particle doesn't exist in one state or another, 394 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: but in all of its possible states at once. It's 395 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: only when we observe its state that a quantum particle 396 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: is essentially forced to choose one probability, and that's the 397 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: state that we observe, all right, So it's essentially a 398 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: lesson in uncertainty and particle physics in the quantum world. Right. 399 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: So here comes Stroinger in Austrian physicist, right, and he 400 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: puts together a thought experiment. Like thought experiments are often 401 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: really useful to to to illustrate a point and to 402 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: make something that's a little uh hard to grasp a 403 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: little more concrete, right, And then in the point of 404 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: a thought of experiment is not to have a solution 405 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: per se, right, yeah, nor to kill cats, but to 406 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: just sort of make you think about it. So in 407 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: his experiment, he puts a cat in a box along 408 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: with a bit of radioactive material like and you know, 409 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: like we're talking about with this radioactive container um and 410 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: a Geiger counter, all right, which is a device that 411 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: measured radiation. Of course, So the the Geiger counter is 412 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: designed so that if it senses the decay of the 413 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: radioactive material and all radioactive material decays, it triggers a hammer, 414 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 1: which then breaks a flask that contains acid it put poison. 415 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: Their different versions of this, but basically you've if if 416 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: this radioactive elopment decays, it triggers something that kills the cat. 417 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: And so if you were to open that box, that 418 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: that that the particles are gonna have to be in 419 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: one state or the other. The cat is going to 420 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: be alive or dead. There's no there's no one between. 421 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: It's gonna be one or the other. Even the that 422 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: cat has been poisoned with the ham or whatever had 423 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: acid poured on it, or it's fine and just maybe 424 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: a little ticked off that you put it in the 425 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: thought experiment. But but it's unknowable. I mean, essentially it's unknowable. 426 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: And you have to sort of accept that this cat 427 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: is in both states, right, and and don't think you 428 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: can't listen for the me owing. Yeah, described and if 429 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: you start thinking about the hammer thing and the radioactive decay, 430 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: it's just sort of imagine shorting or as as a 431 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: sort of like a peewee of the physicists, like creating 432 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: these little contraptions. Yeah, and he also knew that the 433 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: more thought he put into. Actually, he also realized that 434 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: the more thought he put into into how the cat 435 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: actually dies, the creep period it would be so right again, 436 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: no cat died. This was just a thought experiment. But 437 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: why the reason why we're talking about it is that, um, 438 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: you could give a sort of alternative reading about whether 439 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: or not this really applies to us in how we 440 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: perceive reality. Right, because the cat in this in this 441 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: situation is in a quantum state. It is, it is 442 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: both dead and alive. It is in both states at 443 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: once until we open the box and by perceiving it, 444 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: change it. So there's this question consciousness of reality, right, Um, 445 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: you know, is there an actual consciousness of reality? Does 446 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: it only exist until we begin to think about it? Um? 447 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: Or is there just no material reality whatsoever? You know 448 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about here. So in terms of like, okay, 449 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: are we all just linking the cat in the box. 450 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: We're both dead and alive, We're both unconscious and conscious 451 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: until we begin to really speculate about life and sort 452 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: of peel back the layers and begin to to investigate 453 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: what it means to be alive or what it means 454 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: to even be part of this physical world. Yeah, does 455 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: does Spain exist if you don't know about it? That 456 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: kind of thing exactly true? Make a sound on the forest, yeah, 457 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: exactly to hear it all that, you know, it's it's it. 458 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: That's that's one of the reasons that the Stroger's Cat 459 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: is so endearing. Well, I don't of endearing. It's the words, right, 460 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: but but it's such a good u such a good 461 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: cognitive chew toy for everyone because it gets down to 462 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: a lot of really um, you know, mind rending philosophical 463 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: pondering about the state of reality. So you sent me 464 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: this link to this guy named Scott Aaronson, Yes, and 465 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: and he sort of takes this idea not not like wholesale, 466 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: but he applies it to us as automatums, right right, Yeah, 467 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: this guy Scott Aaronson came up with this notion presented 468 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: at this lecture. Uh. And it's basically a touring test 469 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: for free will. Turing test being something that I aimed 470 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: at to gauge the intelligence of the machine to see 471 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: if the machines can think on the same level as humans. 472 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: It's also been using a lot of sci fi and 473 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, and the main question that touring asked 474 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: was kN machines think right, this was the initial question, 475 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: and then he sort of threw that out said, you 476 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: know what, that's not even the question. The question is 477 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in 478 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: the imitation game? Right? Right? Like he basically he redefined 479 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: the question in terms that it could be actually examined 480 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: a little closer and tested. Um. So Aaronson is is 481 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: dealing with similar question, but he's he's interested about free will, 482 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: all right, and it also involves super smart computers. And 483 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: that's when when when we say super smart computers, that's 484 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: what we're talking about the imitation game, right right? Okay, 485 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: So what does this test consist stuff? Um? Okay. On 486 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: the surface, it basically means somebody would hand you an envelope, 487 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: probably a robot when hand you the hanvelope, right, and 488 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: it would tell you that. The idea would be, if 489 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: you open this envelope, it'll tell you what you're thinking 490 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: or or saying or doing at a particular point in 491 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: the future. It would be like that. It would be 492 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: like the Virginity box if I opened it, however, many 493 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: years later and found a note inside to tell that 494 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: told me exactly where I lost my virginity and how 495 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: into who oh wow? Okay, so then with that and 496 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: that would be like whoa how did a machine know 497 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: that ahead of time? Clearly I'm if I'm not predictable, 498 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: if I'm that kind of a system that can you know, 499 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: It's it's like weather, right. We build these computer models 500 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: of weather and an atmospheric systems to try and figure 501 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: out what they're going to do in the in the future, 502 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: and we can only do that with a limited amount 503 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: of of success, with only so much accuracy. So could 504 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: you have data that can continue to bring you back 505 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: into a more accurate system, right? Right? So what if 506 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: we we dipped into something like the Blue Brain project, 507 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: you know, the idea of building a working copy, digital 508 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: copy of the human mind. What if a supercomputer was 509 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: able to build a copy of your mind and then 510 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: by analyzing that copy, that mathematical model of you, and 511 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: then they could accurately plan out the rest of your 512 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: life or anything you could conceivably do, say, or think, 513 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: and then tell you make up this note and printed out, 514 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: hand it to you and say open this next Thursday, 515 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what you did. Right, And this 516 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: is what Aaronson the same that you could do this 517 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: in a couple of ways, Like you could continue to 518 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: do some sort of trial and error process where you, uh, 519 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: you sort of get the landscape of someone's brain by 520 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: asking someone a ton of questions and then build a 521 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: model of predictability based upon that, right, Or you could 522 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: do something like the Blue Brain project, which is a 523 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: reverse engineering the brain by building a detailed, realistic computer 524 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: model of the human brain. And it's one trillion synapsis. 525 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: So then you have this this this other system that 526 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: is analyzed sing the way that you think, what how 527 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: your your snapses are firing and what they're responding to. 528 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, essentially, what what Aaronson is saying what is 529 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: so interesting is he's saying, you know, maybe there's not 530 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: free will. You know, maybe there is a certain amount 531 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: of predictability unpredictability, but it's finite. Right, It's almost like 532 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: the cat in the box. There are only two choices. 533 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: There is a factor of unpredictability there because it's either 534 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: dead or alive, but it's still you know, just these 535 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: one of two things. Right, So through trial and error 536 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: there you're going to predict or accurately predict eventually what's 537 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: happening with this cat um And I'm not saying that's 538 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: what it's going to happen in quantum physics, but in 539 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: terms of how we begin to really think about technology 540 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: and how it's interacting with us at a meaningful level 541 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: as we go forward. Um, it does sort of beg 542 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: the question even more about free will. And we've talked 543 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: about it many times before, but this this is certainly 544 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: an interesting proposition, pretty predictable, Yeah, and it comes down to, uh, 545 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: we keep coming back to this idea of at what 546 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: point does science demystify, uh, the human experience and then 547 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: how do we relate to that? And then it tends 548 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: to to to divide into two basic camps. Either it's 549 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: terrifying or it's deliberating, Like the idea that that that 550 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: there that there's no free will. Uh, it either means great, 551 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: there's something maybe there's there's something in charge, or I 552 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it there's not you know, 553 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't have to get been on a shape over 554 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: the over choices because ultimately there are no choices, or 555 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: that's ultimately really damning because you're you're thinking there's no 556 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: choice in life. I'm just this automaton mindlessly following its programs, 557 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: making the same mistakes over and over again, doing the 558 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: same stuff, and there's no changing it. And that's why 559 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: mysteries becomes really important again, right, because sometimes that's even 560 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: more important than the actual knowledge, because that's how you 561 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: to the heart of it. Yeah. I actually in researching this, 562 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: I found a book called and bear with me that 563 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: The title here is the Triumph of God over Evil 564 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: um by William Hasker of the University of Edinburgh. And 565 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: it's actually an interesting looking book if anybody would like 566 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: to read, like a whole thick book about the theology 567 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: and philosophy of comedy it uh. I think there's a 568 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: little humor in there, but but mostly it's like it's 569 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: Hasker getting really philosophical about what what is what is 570 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: the nature of free will? How does it factor into 571 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: the belief and God, the belief and evil, you know, 572 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: getting into some of the old questions about why would 573 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: God allow evil to exist? And basically he sets out 574 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: to justify the ways of God demand which which always 575 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: works well for for authors. But it looks like an 576 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: interesting book, so if you're into that, check it out. 577 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: But he was actually asking the same question with the 578 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: same sort of thought experiment. Imagine somebody handed you an 579 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: envelope and it and you opened it up, and it 580 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: told you what you just thought or said or did. 581 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: And he he predicted that pretty much anybody would be 582 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: frustrated and angry and resentful upon opening that envelope, even 583 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: if you agreed with everything it's said, and there's a 584 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: good chance you would not be happy with what it's 585 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: said anyway. But even if you were perfectly fine, you 586 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, that's me to a t, you probably 587 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be particularly pleased. Well, no, because I mean, we 588 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: all want to believe that we're unique, and essentially I 589 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: do think that we are. But certainly there are some 590 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: things about humans that are predictable and that's so unique. Um, which, 591 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: of course is going to bring me to J. J. Abrams. Yes, yeah, 592 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: of course the mystery box thing. Um, he really blew 593 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: up when he did that on the internet because he 594 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: did that, Ted talk like a year a year ago. 595 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: Maybe no, no, it's more, maybe more because I don't 596 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: think lost. Yeah, And basically he was talking about well 597 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of talking, uh, And it was 598 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: it was a little rambley even for me, and because 599 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of room to talk. But 600 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: but basically his whole point was the idea of the 601 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: mystery box is is so inspiring. He was talking about 602 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: getting this mystery package from a magic store in New York, 603 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: I believe, and and you know it's some one of 604 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: these like you pay a certain amount. He's probably just 605 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: got some you know, some garbage in it from the 606 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: magic shops, some stuff they couldn't move, and so they 607 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: just packaged it up in this and sold it. But 608 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: the Archie McPhee mystery bag, everybody knows about Archie McPhee. 609 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: Who's Archie. It's an online emporium of all things silly, 610 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: and you can get you know, bacon, breath, mints, so 611 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: on and so forth. So so his Tellhole Ted Talk, 612 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: which you can you can find easily online Ted Talk, 613 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: j J Abrams and Google search. He was, he was. 614 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: He makes the argument that the the idea of the 615 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: mystery box is what stirs human creativity and what really 616 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: uh certainly his own creativity and really um motivates him 617 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: to to create. And you actually sent me a really 618 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: interesting um PDF about curiosity is a memory enhancer. Right, 619 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: So there's this idea that that that it's not just J. J. 620 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: Abrams talking about how great it is, that there's actually 621 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: some some research back. Yeah, yeah, that that you know, this, 622 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: this mystery has to be unraveled in our brains again, 623 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: like you said, needs a good chew toy which really 624 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: helps us to learn better into uh, get our noggains engaged. Yeah. 625 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: This particular study was from the California Institute of Technology 626 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: and they did some fm R eyes on people when 627 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 1: they There are a couple of different like phases of 628 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: this experiment, but people wanted they were reading trivia questions 629 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: to creating mixture of high and low creativity UM. They 630 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: measured subjects pupil dilation UH and tested their memory recall 631 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: and and the fm R I showed that the curiosity 632 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: increases activity in memory areas UM such as the pair 633 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: of hippocampal gyrus and the left inferior frontal gyrus when 634 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: subjects said guests incorrectly, which suggests that curiosity may enhance 635 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: memory for new information. And it's funny too. I was 636 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: thinking about that yesterday. I was working from a coffee 637 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: shop in there was a French tutor with her to 638 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: students and they were kind of like scraggle I don't know, 639 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: maybe like thirteen year old boys and you were working 640 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: like a Madeline children's book. Yesterday, Yes I was. I 641 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: was in Paris and there was a gypsy in the 642 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: corner that was going to kidnap us all. But before 643 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: that there was a French lesson and uh, they you 644 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: could tell the guys were kind of bored. And I 645 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: remember thinking to myself, if they had this context of like, okay, 646 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: this this phrase, this sort of rope phrase of like 647 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I love this artwork here, 648 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, these sort of things, we might be so 649 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: much more interesting if their their curiosity was piqued, if 650 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: their imagination was engaged, if they might think that the 651 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: person that they were talking to could be uh, you know, 652 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: Stephen Hawking or a pretty girl or an attractive boy. 653 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know, they're there are different 654 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: ways I think that we can play with the blueprint 655 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: of our mind in the way that we acquire a knowledge. 656 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: And I thought that was so interesting that the curiosity 657 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: about something really does help this this flicker of our 658 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: um flame of memory, and uh, I don't know, it's 659 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: exciting to me. 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