WEBVTT - My Affair With Satan 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:05.080 It's five thirty two a m. In Honolulu, and you're 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:18.680 listening tonight. Call. Good evening, everybody, and welcome tonight Call. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.520 I am one of your three night callers, Molly Lambert, 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:27.440 and I'm here today with Tess Lynch and Emily Yoshida 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.680 in New York. This week's podcast is brought to you 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:38.920 by Lisa Mattresses. Welcome back, everybody. Hey, so, um, I 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.440 want to start off just to get us rolling at 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.000 the beginning, because I think we I think maybe when 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:48.360 Claire was on, we kind of off handedly mentioned send 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:53.000 us ghost stories, and we got a lot of people 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.960 sending us a ghost store is so thank you, we 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.360 feed us more ghost story Um, so thank you. But 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.480 but I'm very impressed with everybody's stories and also jealous. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:06.560 But I feel like we can get into that in 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.400 a little bit. Yeah, well we I set this up 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.880 as a transitional episode. Uh connector last week with the 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.720 Atomic Museum that I wanted you guys to watch Haunters 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.959 The Art of the Scare. Yeah, the documentary on Netflix 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.839 about people who are are obsessed with haunted houses. Because 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.560 I thought, hey, it's the beginning of spring, let's I'll 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.520 watch a documentary about Halloween. Well, you kind of you 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:33.640 sold it strangely because you said it was about people 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.640 who are obsessed with haunted houses. But these are people 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:44.759 who actually their life is being scarers or whatever. That's what. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.319 they are. They are the They are the men and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.800 women behind the curtain and behind the bowls of blood 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.360 and whatnot. And the stories. Tell me. Tell me your 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.120 reactions to Haunters the Art of the Scare. Oh, I 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.360 loved it so much. I was. I watched the first 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.360 ten minutes. I was like, I'm not going to finish 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.440 this documentary. But you have to kind of like immerse 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.080 yourself in it for a bit. You have to like 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.800 marinate in it, and it gets super good. I felt 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.960 like it reminded me a lot of Cannibal cop in 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.880 that even if you don't think you'll enjoy it, you 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.560 you will if you give it a chance. Or maybe not. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.440 I don't know. Emily, Um, I mean, I am fascinated 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:27.400 with this stuff and um in addition to having done 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.680 a lot of the haunts around uh the l A area, UM, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.000 I also worked with the writer at the Verge for 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:35.840 a while who was doing a lot of these experiences 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.440 and like did black Out and all that. So I've 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:41.480 always been really interested in um and kind of what 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.800 the latest is an experiential scares? I really so, I 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.520 really liked the doc for that. I liked I liked 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:56.440 um needing shar shar mayor the like Queen scares incredible. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.760 I mean I love that, like, I love that was. Yeah, 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.760 I love the I love the coda. We won't we 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:07.960 won't spoil listeners about shar So shar Is she has 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.760 been a scarer or like what is it, what's the 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.000 actual word? Scare actors, scare actor since the seventies. I 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:19.239 think she's um and she has worked in like all 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:23.880 of the you know, she's done Scary Farm, she's done Blackout, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.800 She's done like a universal um what do they call it? 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.440 Halloween hornets. Yeah. I should pause you though, because I 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.480 had no idea what blackout was. So for anyone who 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.960 doesn't know what blackout is, it is a haunted house 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:45.960 experience that involves nudity and touchings of of uh haunts 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:50.480 I guess in New York, right, Yeah, they set it up. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.400 They usually have like a month or so that they're 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.760 set up. Um, I'm sure I think they've done other 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.120 places as well. I think that they did it at 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:04.560 Comic Con one year. Um, it's like yeah with naked naked. Yeah, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.840 it's it's part of the general wave of new haunted 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.440 experiences or haunted attractions that have safe words, um, which 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.280 is another big part of this documentary. Um. But yeah, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.920 I'm really close to experimental theater right right, right right, Yeah, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.279 Like Sleep No More is is like the big one 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.400 in New York that isn't It's not as like, um, 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:29.240 exploitative necessarily or is like um specifically gory or like 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.200 over the top or doesn't have torture scenes or anything 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.599 like that. But it's more of like a like a 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.839 thing you walk through and you're involved in. You definitely 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.159 have like contact with the actors and everything. Um. But 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.120 so yeah, so Shar Shar has done everything and she's 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.039 also gotten like crazy injured over the course of her career. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.599 That's how you find out is people punch scare actors 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.360 in which makes sense. But it's like she's like, oh, yeah, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.240 one time I was posted around this corner. I was 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.080 just like everybody who came around the corner. As soon 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.479 as I popped out, they all like punched me in 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.960 the face. And she like had she has like a 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:05.080 back injury. She's basically like unable to keep like being 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.320 a scare actor, which was very sad and you can 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.720 like know, but then she retires into being like an 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.720 actor and jumping out scare actor. She's still an actor 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.760 in haunted houses, but she's like, now I play the 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.080 teacher in the haunted schoolroom instead of like the student 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.840 with the chainsaws, so much happier because I don't get 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.599 punched in the face as much anymore. The scare widows, 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.880 all the scare windows. She okay. So shar is like 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.560 she's like a Jane Lynch character, is what I thought 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.640 about her. She's just like a kookie broad who just 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:37.680 loves to scare. Like it really comes across that all 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.159 these people's relationships are very strained by the fact that 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.120 they're so obsessed, which is also what makes it a 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.000 good documentary because I just like documentaries about people obsessed 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.039 with things, and they're all just obsessed with like being 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.400 part of haunted houses, and it totally alienates their partners 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.640 from the room. Also because a lot of them spend 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.920 so much money on these things and as much time. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.279 I mean, it's you even if it runs for the 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.000 whole month of October, where they're spending like six months 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.160 of the year. I kept comparing it to Burning Man, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.599 because like Burning Man, Natos and Widowers are a real 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.040 thing to write write in person is really into Burning Man, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.160 and they spend all their money and time and energy 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.880 thinking about Burning Man. So I think that the filmmaker 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.440 John Schnitzer, who directed this documentary, um, he does. I 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.520 I think I appreciate his like even to the like 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.280 with the subject, so that he isn't going in depth 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.320 with like he asks everybody what they do for a 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.359 day job, like maybe that he doesn't ask anything else 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.240 about their life or their family or anything. But so 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.800 you get to like get this picture of just all 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.160 these people who you know, I'm a I'm a executive 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.839 assistant or whatever, and like this is my vacation every year, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.240 Like I go to southern California so that I can 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.719 be a zombie universal or whatever. Like this is how 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.599 I choose to spend my time off. Which is so 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.599 it's it's very um, it's very interesting. It's very revealing, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.760 I think. And so there's like one half of the 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.320 documentary that's like the American movie half that's like the 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.400 people that are like really into scaring, but they're sort 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:09.160 of like wholesome ultimately, uh, and they just like love 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:13.360 they love craft. They're they're like they're actors. They love 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.000 like the theater and you know. And when I went 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.200 to Not Scary Farm, where I'd never been before, but 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.360 I went and loved um. And I totally liked the 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.080 part where you like walk through the old West town 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.080 and people come out and scare you and they were things, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.640 which is terrify. 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Definitely abu see is a good um he yeah. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.480 This this part, I well, the only the only misgivings 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:10.400 I have about this documentary or it's use of the 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.720 footage of the people who go through the McCamy manner, 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.280 which is like obviously a huge part of the McCamy manner, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.440 which is the super extreme like way beyond blackout, which 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.760 is typically build I guess among people who don't do 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:24.440 this all the time, it's like being the most extreme 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.880 haunted house. But there they have a safe word um 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:28.400 that's like a part of it is that you can 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.280 opt out at any point if you want, and you 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.040 cannot opt out of the McCamy manner. And he makes 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.880 he he makes videos of the people that go through, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.080 which I guess this is a huge wait list, but 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.200 he films them while they are like crying, covered in 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.240 their own snot and vomit like like you know, people 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:51.440 who are like literally being waterboarded in Haunted House signed 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:56.439 up for So here's the deal. So Russ mccami super 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.920 was super interesting to me. First of all, He's a 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.079 wedding singer stage job and I'm obsessed with that. It's 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.320 like frightening, like daytime horror, like the black Hole Sun. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.520 What do you know? I mean, he reminds me so 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.680 much of these people I know he is. So I 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.200 looked him up and he spent twenty three years in 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:19.840 the Navy, and he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink, he 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.880 doesn't drink coffee. I think he should drink where well 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.920 I'm like, wait, is how is it like person in 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.040 the world was like a dry drunk too. It just 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.400 makes you want to torture people. I guess I just 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.319 think it's interesting, but I think that it's interesting how 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.800 he kind of uses his detractors as publicity because even 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.119 in the documentary, when people were so traumatized by the experience, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.920 like they go back, what's okay? So what the name 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.719 not all the not the neighbor, but the neighbor did 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.000 not go back volunteerly, she got tricked into coming back. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:59.680 It's really fun three times. What I think is the 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.800 c of this documentary that makes it so crazy is 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.839 that at a certain point they like interview everybody who's 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.840 gone through the crazy torture water boarding. So it starts 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.400 out with like he feeds you bugs, and then he 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.960 like ties you up and tortures you, and then he's 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.880 like water boarding you and like hard buried alive. It's 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.200 a little hard to tell what actually happens because like 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.640 every time they show the footage, it's so chopped up 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.480 and has all the stuff step music over that it's 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.880 really hard to like tell what's actually happening. But people 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.000 like they talk about what they do in it. They 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.000 talk about what they do in McCamy manner the whole documentary. 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.280 He's like, it's this crazy, extreme haunted house and they 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.320 talk about it, and they lead up to it and 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.440 then they show it and there's like fifteen minutes of 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.040 them showing which is what happens inside. And I was 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.000 watching this at work. I was like, very worried about 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.000 people seeing what I was, like what I had on 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.160 my computer because it looks like a snuff film, like 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.160 a film. Well, that's what I'm saying too, is like, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.560 ultimately this guy is shooting a snuff film. It's just 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.439 a really long snuff film. But eventually he's going to 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.480 kill some but right, yes, well, the other the most 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.520 problematic thing I think about it, besides the lack of 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.960 safe word, which I think exists at every other haunted 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.400 everything another haunted house does. That's why mccainey manner is 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.959 kind of notorious because they leave it up to the 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.480 scare actors to gauge when a person has had enough, 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:22.640 which let out the watching people beg for their lives. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.000 And you see that. That is when he gets a 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.240 boner too, And that's what's so girl, literally see the boner. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.520 But you can set his eyes light up and it's 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.840 like he spends all the TA It's like he like 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.320 all his free terms, he doesn't spend filming people in 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.520 the manner, he's like editing the footage because he considers 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.760 himself a filmmaker, which is also kind of weird. The 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.960 wife makes a movie. His wife is just sort of 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.200 like it's a thing she has seen so much ship 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.920 Like she looks like when the most haunted people in 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.840 this entire she was actually she may have actually just been. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.760 I'm not sure that they were married, but I read 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.400 online this may not be true that they split up, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.680 which is interesting because she was the most supportive spouse. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.400 I mean, she was kind of raining him in at 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.840 certain points, but she seemed like she was supportive in words, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:17.280 but like her eyes were dark with But there's another 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.120 twist in this documentary that you don't see coming, but 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.360 you're thinking. Okay, So first of all, when the people 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.200 get out of the thing and then they interview them 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.800 and they're like, how do you feel about it, They're 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.280 all like, I want to go back and charge them. Molly, 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.280 you're misrepresenting, like the there's like a few people that 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.280 that do. Like it's like, how about Mario and Luigi. 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.720 That's the scariest part. The two guys, the two brothers 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.760 who go through it wearing Mario and Luigi and the 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.760 like we want to go funk people up after this, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.920 but like, that's not everybody, Like the people that he 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.880 sits down with and they watched the footage at the computer, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.920 those people are not having it. They were not happy 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.960 with their experience and they say that they hate Also, 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.200 they sign waivers, but they only sign waivers after they 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.880 have been initiated into the experience by being basically, you know, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.520 giving permission to be kidnapped verbal permission, and then they're 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.160 like tortured a little and then they're handed a form. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.480 And some people, because there are a lot of on 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:13.160 Facebook in particular, a lot of forums dedicated to how 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.560 much McCamy manner is terrible and it's like a liability 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.000 and shouldn't exist and uh, and they all say that 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.240 the biggest issue is that you sign the waiver under duress. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.520 And at that point you feel like these people are 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.040 so sick and like you've kind of given yourself over 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.880 to them that you have to do whatever they say. 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:36.000 So that, I mean, that's really well. That's also what 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.440 makes it interesting that he was in the Navy for 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.640 so long. And then also the other twist is that 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.560 you find out that his dad was part of the 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:49.480 Nevada tite project. That's the real tie back. And his 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.960 dad got melted by an atomic bomb, and they're like, 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.520 he didn't die because of the atomic bomb. He died 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.960 he killed himself because miserable. And then you're like, this guy, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.960 I signed a waiver for the government, being like, I 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.920 trust you not to melt my insides. Uh, And it 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.320 like kind of explains the psychological motivation of the McCamy manner. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:16.720 Guy explains but does not excuse. But I would, you know, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.199 I feel like it would be even scarier if it 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.680 wasn't motivated by anything, you know, the fact that there's 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.320 like a backstory and like a psychological thing that you're like, well, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.080 obviously this guy is obsessed with like control and death 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.439 because like his country killed his dad, and then he 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.399 served and then he served his country. Well I did. 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.720 I mean, I think that the Shar puts it really best, 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.280 like the best at one point, because obviously all these people, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.360 it's like a kind of small community, so everybody knows 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.000 of each other, and everybody knows of McCamy manner, and 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.000 so Shar, this woman who's been in it forever and 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.439 seeing like all these different stages of the evolution of 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.479 this stuff. She's like, she's like, I love being a 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.000 scare actor, but the whole fun of it is that 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.760 somebody is there voluntarily. Like it's like a cat in 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.080 a house, and like once the mouse is dead, it's 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.199 not fun anymore. So like why wouldn't you want to 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.879 give people away to leave? Like otherwise you're you're not 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.720 playing anymore, and it's not fun. And I feel like, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.280 you know, even with the most extreme stuff, even with 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.680 the full contact hunt of houses, that's still a part 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.440 of it. And like there's everybody has a different threshold 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.479 of what they can deal with. It's like, you know, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.680 like if you it's it's very there's so much crossover, 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.720 especially with safe words and stuff with like um with 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.160 like b D S M stuff and and like you know, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.320 getting dominatrix or something like that. But there's not gonna 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.320 be a dominatrix who like you hire who like literally 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.360 doesn't let you out of a cage for two weeks 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.280 unless you specifically say I don't want to be let 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.480 out of a cage for two weeks, you know, and 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.959 there are people who want that. And again, yeah, and 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.560 if you do, that's fine. Yeah, But and that's what's 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.720 interesting about this also is you're like, it just shows you. 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.359 You're like, there should never be anything where you can't 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.560 withdraw consent at some point if you feel the need to. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.080 Because all of these people go into this thing being 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.040 like it'll be fun, which is also like I'm already 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.040 lost when they do the tagline for the experiences, you 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:11.640 don't want to do this. But that's of he got 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.320 kicked out of San Diego. He got like run out 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.840 of San Diego because his neighbors complained about him waterboarding 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.359 people in the backyard constantly, which they were like, slates 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.960 can see you torturing people, Please don't do that. Although 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.480 there is also like a black Ops military base right 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.560 in San Diego right there where they do some stuff, uh, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:35.520 but you can't see it from your backyard. They make 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:36.960 it really hard to see. That's why what they do 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:41.879 with Black opsites purposely difficult to see. One thing that 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.280 became like fucked up? Is it? So it started off 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.240 and this is alreadie like messed up. He would just 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.280 have like teenagers come and teenagers who don't know how 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.320 to like properly interact with people in a way that 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.560 doesn't like cross the line into assault, like he just 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.919 had teens running around who were like being fed pizza 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.879 and mountain dew and letting them just like like you know, 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.960 run rampant on the guests. And then there was a 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.239 problem because apparently one of the adult scare people was 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.800 sending inappropriate text messages to one of the teen scare actors, 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.240 and so then he replaced them all with like fucking 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:21.560 like skinheads and like people would like assaulted and awful. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.919 Like what, I can't believe that any of it is 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.480 legal at all, Like I hate to be the alarmist 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.680 like Christian radio person right now, but it's like skirting 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.320 the lines of legality because but you know what, like 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.439 I I know another person who's really into haunted houses, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.399 my friend Eva, who I asked her about this documentary, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.439 and she's like knew who everybody was, but you know, 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.520 people who go to home haunts. There is like a 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.800 whole culture of people where it is also very like 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:52.600 it overlaps with experimental theater. She paid a theater troupe 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.040 to do an experimental play on her for a year 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:02.360 what what like it was like two She's really into 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.639 haunted experiences and so she she paid a theater troupe 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.879 to like do a haunted experience on her, where I 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.080 think it was like people would just show up sometimes 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.760 and be like asked her questions that we're confusing and 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:20.720 be like I'm the doctor. And then herself. I was like, 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.640 what are you going for with this? Like are you 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.800 trying to make yourself unhinged? Because like I have enough 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:30.120 problems with that without hiring people to come man like, 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.920 so she and well, she said like eventually it ended 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.920 because they ran out of money. They never like came 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.040 to the conclusion of the play. She never like found 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.280 out the answer to the mystery because they're like they're 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.800 like a theater troupe from San Francisco who like moved 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.760 down to l A to haunt her, and then they 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.720