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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by Draft Kings. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: bringing in one of our favorites, Cole Jackson, a friend

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Speaker 1: of the Lounge, good friend of the Lounge. You can

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Speaker 1: find his work on YouTube check out Road Graders where

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Speaker 1: Cole breaks down all the offensive lineman, defensive line and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff just gets in the trenches. That's your

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Speaker 1: kind of that's your area, Cole, and that's what we

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about here today. A lot

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Speaker 1: of talk about the Ravens drafting an offensive tackle and

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Speaker 1: that being quite likely. I want you to break down

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Speaker 1: some of the top guys who you think could fit

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and I'll kick it off here, Garrett. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with the big guy, Amarus Mims from Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely definitely a guy that fits the Ravens kind of mold,

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Speaker 2: if you will. He kind of reminds me in terms

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Speaker 2: of his build of Orlando Brown Junior when he was

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Speaker 2: on the right side. Comes and at six eight three

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Speaker 2: forty thirty six inch arms, just kind of a typical

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Speaker 2: tackle that was built in a lab, but also brings

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Speaker 2: some interesting risk factors, which you know, it's it's it's

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Speaker 2: an interesting one because on one hand, it's why he

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Speaker 2: could kind of slip into the thirty range for the

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Speaker 2: Ravens to even be able to draft him. But on

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Speaker 2: the other hand, it you know, it makes you pause,

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Speaker 2: It makes you a little you know, it brings out

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Speaker 2: that risk calculator. So he's got limited experience due to

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Speaker 2: kind of two primary factors, one being that he rotated

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Speaker 2: I should say, with Warren McLendon and Broderick Jones who

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Speaker 2: are no stranger to rotations, so that's not that's kind

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Speaker 2: of an interesting connection there. But then also in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three he had mid season surgery. He just suffered

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Speaker 2: an injury, and then he also tweaked his hamstring again

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Speaker 2: at the combine when he was running the forty yard dash.

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Speaker 2: So a guy that's going to, you know, bring a

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Speaker 2: little bit of risk, but a guy that again is

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Speaker 2: built in the lab and it's just one of those

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Speaker 2: guys that I think has all the traits that the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens fall in love with. In the run game,

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Speaker 2: I found he kind of struggled to locate in the

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Speaker 2: second level a little bit, but when he did engage

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Speaker 2: especially at that size, and gain leverage and really drive

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Speaker 2: guys and move bodies, which is something that the Ravens

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Speaker 2: are gonna want in that you know, right tackle position

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Speaker 2: that's been vacated by Morgan Moses in his pass pro

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Speaker 2: was the part of the game where I really liked

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Speaker 2: what he did. And that's kind of I think we've

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Speaker 2: seen under Todd Munkin, especially compared to Greg Roman, offense

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Speaker 2: a bigger requirement on you know, asking offensive tackles to

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Speaker 2: one on one block five man protections, not keeping in

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Speaker 2: running backs and tight ends as an extra blocker, and

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Speaker 2: so that onus really goes on offensive tackles to you know,

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Speaker 2: play one on one a little bit more often, so

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Speaker 2: to see that high level pass protection. He's very patient

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Speaker 2: at that size because he's got that length that you know,

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Speaker 2: gives him such a high level margin for air that

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Speaker 2: I want to see you know, patients, but also range.

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Speaker 2: So he's got that athletic ability to move very well

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Speaker 2: So he's got you know, the length and the range

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Speaker 2: that you'd want to see in a right tackle and

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Speaker 2: it should fare very well against some of the juiced

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Speaker 3: So you know the other guy and these two players,

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Speaker 3: they kind of get discussed in tandem, kind of together

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Speaker 3: talked about and Tyler Geyton, like we had Daniel Jeremiah

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Speaker 3: those two guys together and he's actually got him right

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Speaker 3: next to each other in his overall player rankings and

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Speaker 3: some of the same things you got, I mean, both

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Speaker 3: your take on Guiten and do you see them as similar?

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Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite for who could better fit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely like Geiten Moore just you know, he's

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Speaker 2: got he's limits some of that risk, right, you know

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Speaker 2: that was just you know, his his playing ability catching

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Speaker 2: guys in this draft class where he's just so athletic

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Speaker 2: ability to play the left side even though he played

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Speaker 2: So but it's really that athletic ability at his size

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Speaker 2: where I see the most upside. He moves with very

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Speaker 2: And we saw that a lot at the Senior Bowl practices,

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Speaker 2: where players would attack him there. But what he did

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Speaker 2: he just screams Raven to me. You know, they love

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Speaker 2: guys that perform well at the Senior Bowl. You know,

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Speaker 2: you see it every year they come away with three

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Speaker 2: It just seems to be, uh, you know, a place

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Speaker 2: they really look. So it's just I would have getting

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Speaker 2: ahead of Mims because I think he brings that same upside,

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Speaker 2: the same you know, size and freakish athletic ability, but

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Speaker 2: it comes without you know, sort of the risk and

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Speaker 2: limited experience that you had in Amarus men.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting lock it in you make has already

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Speaker 3: locked in Mimes in his draft.

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Speaker 4: He's been saying it. He's getting am I his seven

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Speaker 4: round lock. He's going Mams. Well, now now I go.

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Speaker 4: I went ahead and claimed giton I put it.

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Speaker 1: It's like the lock on the door. But you haven't

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Speaker 1: dead bolted it for me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You can still pick that lock pretty easily, So we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. You know. I like about guiding and what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Cole is I didn't realize the left handed

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Speaker 1: of playing right tackle right just like that's what he's

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Speaker 1: kind of programmed to do in college. But on the

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Speaker 1: flip side, is like the responsibilities of a left tackle.

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Speaker 1: And for the Raven, it like if you were to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some of that, you know, especially important ability to

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Speaker 2: that's really why they just have, you know, a bigger

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Speaker 2: so it you know, it makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 1: One another guy I want to talk about is Duke's

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Speaker 1: Graham Barton because I've seen him in the Ravens Lengths

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Speaker 1: sometimes and you know, this is a guy who, by

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Speaker 1: all accounts you read about him, he can play any

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Speaker 1: screams Ravens right, they like versatility. But I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like the consensus is his best position might be its

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Speaker 1: But do I really want to take a guy in

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Speaker 1: the first round who's you know, his best position is

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Speaker 1: where I already have a pro bowler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great way of looking at it, because

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Speaker 2: it's not that I don't think Graham Barton could perform

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Speaker 2: kind of seeing that right now is the Cowboys. Tyler

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Speaker 2: And you can see his His offensive line coach throughout

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Speaker 2: the draft process was Duke Mannyweather from a line of masterminds,

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Speaker 2: and he's been tweeting pretty adamantly that they should leave

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Speaker 2: him at left guard. And that's not so much that

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Speaker 2: he's not going to fit that need for you, but

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Speaker 2: And it's, you know, do you want someone who might

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Speaker 2: a guy who's an All Pro guard? And that's really

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Speaker 2: what I think you'd be looking at With a guy

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Speaker 2: like Graham Barton, I do think he can do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, he lacks length, he's kind of like a

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Speaker 2: he reminds me a lot of McCarey in terms of

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Speaker 2: his past protection, where he's just so scrappy. He plays

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Speaker 2: with you know, ultra quick hands, elite hand placement, does

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Speaker 2: all those things that you know, limit bigger, longer, more,

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Speaker 2: there and just battles all day. And that's really what

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Speaker 2: Barton does so well. But you know, you can see

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Speaker 2: the traits that project so well just at a high

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Speaker 2: you know, that's where it comes down to the value proposition.

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Speaker 2: Is it worth you know, if you get that high

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Speaker 2: to really focus on an offensive tackle, especially with the

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Speaker 2: need at right tackle right now for the Ravens. So

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Speaker 2: that's really the question you have to ask.

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Speaker 1: It's not happening. Look, look, the Gravens have been draft

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Speaker 1: mid round, late round guards and develop team. I don't

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Speaker 1: see him, you know, the days of Ben Grubbs are

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Speaker 1: long gone. I don't see him taking a first round guard.

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Speaker 1: They're going to take him now that I say this,

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Speaker 1: of course, but I don't still see it, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the more the more likely scenario,

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Speaker 3: it seems in my mind as I look, you know,

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Speaker 3: sitting here in early April, like, it seems more likely

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Speaker 3: if a guy's going to play guard that he's really

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and so maybe then that that player could slide

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Speaker 2: Just some of the stuff I saw in the run game,

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Speaker 1: So if the Ravens were to maybe trade back from

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Speaker 2: Do you think this just cues me up so well?

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Speaker 2: For my my guy at offensive tackle, and that's Kingsley Swamatea.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love this kid. He's just every year this happens,

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Speaker 2: he just really fits that mold. One thing I did find, though,

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Speaker 2: he almost reminded me of an NHL defenseman where he

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Speaker 1: That always it's like Tavy's Robinson. I mean, he was

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Speaker 2: That's an all timer. And you know, in the past

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Speaker 2: He reminds me a lot of Tyler Smith coming out

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Speaker 2: that can really get there. He also has experience playing

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Speaker 1: Swamateea. If if we drafted him, he have to be

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Speaker 1: swarm mateya. Is that good for an offensive line? You

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Speaker 1: just swarm him? I don't know. It sounds you got

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Speaker 2: I see the people will disagree with me, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll have comments all over saying I'm crazy, but I

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Speaker 2: I feel confident enough and with offensive tackle, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't really see a reason why swam Mateya can't

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Speaker 1: You think even with the technical refinement that he needs,

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 2: And again I just see the parallel with Tyler Smith

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Speaker 1: All right, so quickly, let's talk about three guys who

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Speaker 1: I think could be second round options potentially for the

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Speaker 1: Ravens at a tackle. That's Patrick Paul out of Houston.

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Speaker 1: Kiren a measuredy helped me out.

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Speaker 2: Cool, No, I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Patrick Paul is one of those other He's if

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Speaker 2: you know, he plays with that mall or mentality. You know,

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Speaker 2: focused on Joe Alt on that Notre Dame offensive line,

434
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: but what was going on the right side of that

435
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 2: offensive line was still some very high level offensive tackle play.

436
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 2: I think he's he's got to be one of the

437
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 2: more underrated tackles in this class. And you know, there's

438
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 2: a number of scouts out there have actually talked about

439
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 2: Fisher being more of a natural talent than Joe Alt.

440
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 2: But what really differentiated the two is the consistency. And

441
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: obviously Joe Alt is just you know, head and shoulders over.

442
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, if you if you take a look at

443
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 2: like Lance Zierland's right up on NFL dot Com, that

444
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 2: was one of the scout scout quotes he pulled was just,

445
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, fl Fish is actually the more natural talent.

446
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 2: So I found that so intriguing, and you can see

447
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: those consistency laps on his tape. The biggest one that

448
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: I saw was just in pass protection. Consistently and constantly

449
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: laid off the ball and it really doesn't play as

450
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: athletic as he tested, which makes you kind of question

451
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,360
Speaker 2: why and kind of the processing there. But he has

452
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: the necessary strength, anchor and bend that makes me think

453
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: he's going to get there as a pro. He also

454
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,360
Speaker 2: has a really good redirectability and the way he refits

455
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 2: his hands and is able to bend makes me feel

456
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: pretty good about developing him as a pass protector. And

457
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 2: the run game, that's really where he popped to me.

458
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: Extremely agile, really good fit for his zone blocking scheme,

459
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: and the natural power that when he engages guys he's

460
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: able to drive them. So just kind of that athletic

461
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: ability and the potential, I think he's going to be

462
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,479
Speaker 2: a better pro than college player and could really outplay

463
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: his draft status.

464
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Speaker 4: Interesting.

465
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 3: So my question here as we kind of wrap the

466
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Speaker 3: conversation on the offensive tackles like if you're if it's

467
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: a dream scenario for you and and one player that

468
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 3: I'll when we talk to Jeremiah, he shut it down

469
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 3: in a hurry with his Troy Pontanu out of Washington.

470
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: You know, could he fall to the Raves and he said,

471
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: absolutely no way. You know, he's he's there's no shot

472
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 3: he could get there at thirty. But like, who is

473
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: the guy that at thirty if he's there, like it's

474
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: a rush it to the podium?

475
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 4: Is it Geiten? Like who is it? In your mind?

476
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: I think it's Geten because he just checks a lot

477
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: of the boxes that I think you want to see.

478
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: You know, he's got the tools, he's got good tape,

479
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 2: and he's got that kind of ability that I think

480
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 2: projects as you know, kind of a day one starter

481
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: at right tackle with that ability to play left tackle

482
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 2: later in his career.

483
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Speaker 4: Okay, interesting, interesting, all right.

484
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 3: So I always as we go through this process, and Cole,

485
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: obviously you look at it from from two perspectives, you know,

486
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: offensive line and trench play is I think as well

487
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 3: as anybody that's doing these you know, these evaluations, and

488
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons that we always enjoy this

489
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: conversation with you.

490
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 4: But you also look at it, you.

491
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: Know, as a fan of the Ravens and and kind

492
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: of knowing what this team likes and how they like

493
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: to operate. So I'm curious from your perspective to to

494
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: look at a few positions and get your take on

495
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 3: on who screams Raven because like at the end of

496
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 3: every draft they do the press conference, and like you

497
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: you've we've all heard the quotes like, man, this is

498
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 3: a this is a red star guy.

499
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 4: You know.

500
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: You know, we talked to his high school jim teacher

501
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: who said that, like he was always the first guy

502
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: here in gym class, like never late, you know, and

503
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: like you always hear that stuff. Right, this guy screams

504
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: Raven on the field, off the field, has got an

505
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: incredible story. So so I'm curious to look at a

506
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: couple of positions. Let's just start with outside linebackers, since

507
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: we haven't talked about that, and you are looking at

508
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: those guys in the trenches, who at the outside linebacker

509
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: pass rusher positions screams Raven to you.

510
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's kind of two guys that I all group together,

511
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: and it's just because they kind of play the similar

512
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 2: way and I think they have that raw ability that

513
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: the Ravens look for and kind of a three four

514
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: stand up outside linebacker, and that's Mo Camaro to Colorado

515
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: State and Marshawn Neeland out a Western Michigan. These are

516
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: just two guys that are kind of you know, there

517
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: they'll be seen as undersized, but they just have that

518
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: you know, most importantly, they have a speed power conversion.

519
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: They have very very strong hands, and it's just you know,

520
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: they're those guys that they want to kind of soup

521
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: up on the edge and get them attacking downhill and

522
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: just develop them as a pass rusher. I think both

523
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: need to really advance their pass rush plan and that's

524
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: something that we've seen already out of Chuck Smith working

525
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: with the guys that we have that He's done such

526
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: a great job with the Ravens current outside linebackers. So

527
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: these these kind of guys that are coming from I

528
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't say small schools, but we'll say, you know, non

529
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: Power five schools. You know, they just scream Raven to

530
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: me because they're going to kind of come in, you know,

531
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: be a little bit undersized, but have that advanced athletic

532
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: ability and you know tenacity that they look for. It

533
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me a little bit of what they

534
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: got and undrafted free agent Malie cam out of I

535
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: can't think of what school he came out of the

536
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 2: top of my head, but you know, when he kind

537
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: of came into camp last year, everybody was pretty amazed

538
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: by kind of that athletic ability, that burst, that explosiveness,

539
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: and the way he was able to kind of use

540
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 2: that ability in preseason. Obviously got hurt unfortunately, but you know,

541
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: he really just reminds me of those you know, these

542
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: two and kind of what I think they could bring

543
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: to the table.

544
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think of Chop Robinson.

545
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm just intrigued by him.

546
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: I think everyone's you know, making the obvious comparison to

547
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 2: odaf Ioway, which I don't. I don't even think they

548
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: kind of play the same so I don't really see that.

549
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: I think they just went to the same school and

550
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: it could potentially be first round picks. I think Chop

551
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: Robinson's a much more advanced player coming out, so you know,

552
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: in terms of guys that and I mean this happens

553
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: every year with the Ravens. It seems like where their

554
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: pick kind of comes around and they're looking at it

555
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: like how did this guy fall to him? You know,

556
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: the Kyle Hamilton pick and that sort of thing, And

557
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,719
Speaker 2: Chop Robinson does feel like he could be that kind

558
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: of guy that kind of slips down into thirty and

559
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: then you know you're you're like, we can't not go

560
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: with him, right because he's right there. But yeah, I

561
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: like Chop Robinson. I think his athletic ability shows up

562
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: on tape, and I just think he has a more

563
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: refined pass rush plan than Away did coming out, So

564
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: I don't really see the direct comparison, but I also

565
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: think that's why Robinson's probably going to go, you know,

566
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: a little bit too soon for their pick.

567
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, so wide receiver got to talk about the

568
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: wide outs who screams raven to you at that position?

569
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: Well, I must say it wouldn't be a wider. It

570
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't be a Baltimore Ravens offseason if we didn't talk

571
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: about wide receiver every year. But you know, this is

572
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: a really intriguing class because you know, they kind of

573
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: have the small, fast, shifty wide receiver and Za Flowers

574
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: and now it's almost like they need to kind of

575
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: find that other body type. And this year is just

576
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: filled with kind of athletic freaks at that position. So

577
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: you know, there's a ton of guys that I think

578
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: could fit, and I think it's a little bit of

579
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: a you know, choose your flavor in terms of, you know,

580
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: what type of wide receiver do you want? They got

581
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: They have three level separators and a done Mitchell and

582
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: Lad mcconky that I think make a ton of sense

583
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: for the Ravens and kind of the way Lamar Jackson

584
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: plays and how he likes to exploit the middle of

585
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: the field, and obviously mcconky having that connection with from

586
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: the Georgia offense and with Todd Munkin already, then they

587
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: kind of have, you know, the outside wide receivers with

588
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: that kind of deep speed ability, and it's something that

589
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: the Ravens did a lot this year where they tried

590
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: to push the ball down field to for Shad Bateman,

591
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: and you know, they could get a more natural deep

592
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: threat and a guy like Troy Franklin out of Oregon

593
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: or Jermaine Burton out of Alabama and then they kind

594
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: of have the big, physical X wide receiver you know,

595
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: the old school does Bryant look, and a key on

596
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: Coleman or in Xavier Laggett. And I think my favorite

597
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: out of all those guys is Xavier lagged out of

598
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: South Carolina. I spent a lot of time, you know,

599
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: watching his tape and really kind of taking it in

600
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: and just a lot of the things he does. His

601
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: ability to get deep, his ability to get up for

602
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: contested balls readjust downfield and adjusted deep thrown balls that

603
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: may not be directly on target was just really high level.

604
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: And he's just an ascending prospect. He's a guy that

605
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: doesn't have multiple years of production, and I know that's

606
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: going to scare teams off, but you know, just the

607
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: trades are outstanding, big, physical, fast, you know, he's a

608
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: true blazer, but he can also get up downfield, and

609
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: so you know, that's a guy that I think really

610
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: compliments this wide receiver room. And then another guy that

611
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: he might be able to get a little bit later,

612
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: and you know, he's a guy that I don't think

613
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna, you know, blow the wheels off anyone. But

614
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: Marcus Rosemary Jackson out of George's another guy that really

615
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: intrigues me. I actually noticed him a bunch of times

616
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: watching other players. He was just kind of constantly making

617
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: plays and reminds me a little bit of what the

618
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: Ravens had into Marcus Robinson, where he's not going to be,

619
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of number one focal point and

620
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: you're not gonna have to draft him at that type

621
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: of spot. But he's just constantly making plays, getting open,

622
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: you know, good hands catcher, that sort of thing, and

623
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: just really kind of when when we talk about you know,

624
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: guys that they come away with and it's like, well,

625
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: there's a Ravens pick, it's kind of you know, that

626
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: type of skill set that I see in him.

627
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: Yes, the Xavier Legett conversation is one that really intrigues me.

628
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 3: I just he just feels like somebody who could be

629
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: a perfect fit, you know, like body type. And I'm

630
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: with you, like I think that you know, if you're

631
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: looking at like it's always a it's always a combination

632
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: of factors. But like you have smaller guys, you have

633
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: the shifty speed receiver in Zay Flowers and getting a

634
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: leget you know, sixe twenty one pounds. Of course, he

635
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: played at South Carolina and so the Deebo Samuel like

636
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: comparison gets thrown around there. But man, like, he just

637
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: seems like he can make a lot of sense. But

638
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: is he there like in the second round for them, Like,

639
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: is that is that feasible?

640
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look at mock drafts right now, and you

641
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: can see him going as early as twenty eight to

642
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: the Bills, Right. So it's just in that kind of

643
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: phase where it's like, what are we going to do?

644
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: And wide receivers a position where you know, you sometimes

645
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: just have to invest premium capital. So you know, it

646
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: reminds me of twenty twenty when we drafted Patrick Queen

647
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: in the first round and then I'm like, okay, well,

648
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Michael Pittman will fall, and then Day

649
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: two starts and t Higgins and Michael Pittman go off

650
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: the board in the first three picks, right, because wide

651
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: receiver is such a premium.

652
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting.

653
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I also think the conversation about diversifying the body type

654
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: or the skill set of the receivers is a good

655
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: one and kind of building out that starting five of

656
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: a basketball team. And I totally get that. At the

657
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: same time, I have this like nagging thing in the

658
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: back of my head that is, like, what if they

659
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: just want to get more fun toys like Zay Flowers.

660
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: They just say, you know what, let's just get like

661
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: the best toy box, you know, and like would get

662
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: somebody like Malachi Corley, right, He's just like strong, like

663
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: five eleven smaller dude, but fast, strong, ultra competitive. Uh.

664
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just I don't know that the

665
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Ravens have really I mean, when's the last time they've

666
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: gone out and gotten the six three six four like

667
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: one of these bigger guys. They just haven't done it.

668
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: And I know fans have been clamoring for a long

669
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: time of like give me that big jump ball guy,

670
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: give me the red zone guy, And I just don't

671
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: know if they're really playing that game.

672
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: And doesn't fit what Lamar does so well because we

673
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: don't really typically see those type of jump balls. You know,

674
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: when when des was on the team and they had

675
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: that potential to you know, throw balls up for him,

676
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: they just they never went there, right, So they you know,

677
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: he seemed to thrive really well with you know, kind

678
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: of the the more three level step of separator type

679
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: and you know, finding those guys over the middle and

680
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: exploiting the middle of the field, and you know, pairing

681
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: that with how he can manipulate a defense to play

682
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: up to the line of scrimmage and really exposed the seams.

683
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: So that's where a guy like you know, Lad McConkie

684
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: makes a ton of sense. Is one of the most

685
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: refined root runners that knows mon Can's scheme so well.

686
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 3: Right, all right, So I also want to get your

687
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: take on the cornerback position. As we're talking about guys,

688
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: who could you know the scream Ravens. So if you

689
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: look at cornerback, who is it that that you see

690
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: there that you know? I go back when the Ravens

691
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: drafted Marlon Humphrey. It was kind of like, oh, wow,

692
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: the Alabama cornerback who like is big and physical and

693
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: like we spent zero time discussing during the pre draft

694
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: process and he was just there. Wow, that should have

695
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: seen that one coming. So, like, who is it that

696
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: screams Ravens to you? At the quarterback cornerback position?

697
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: I feel like it really is Cooper to John and

698
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: he's kind of the guy that you kind of see

699
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: slipping in some of these mock drafts. And the reason

700
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: I say that is because he has that versatile ability.

701
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: You know, he's a he's a bigger, physical he's little

702
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: tight hipped, and I think that's going to kind of

703
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: scare some teams off with them. But with the Ravens

704
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: having Brandon Stevens and Marlin Humphrey as are outside corners.

705
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: Dejean is just a guy that you know, you can

706
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: be so creative with how you use him, kind of

707
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: similar to how they use Kyle Hamilton so diversely.

708
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: That's my question, like is that are you are you

709
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: kind of just are you kind of just like replicating

710
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: what you already have in Kyle Hamilton, who's a great

711
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: play Like do you are.

712
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: You just do you already have that player? Well, he's

713
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: different from Kyle. I mean, he's not as big as

714
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton. But my thing is like I don't really

715
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: want to take Kyle Hamilton entirely out of the slot,

716
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: Like I want Kyle Hamilton to continue to play back

717
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: and play in the slot and blitze off Kyle Hamilton.

718
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Let's look at it that way.

719
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: Right right, That's the question is like can you have

720
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: too many Kyle Hamilton's Like no, you know, I'll take

721
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 1: eleven of them please and thank you. Yeah, But but

722
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I guess if you drafted

723
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: Cooper to John, like do you play him? The question

724
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: to me is can he play outside consistently enough where

725
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: you can also use Kyle Hamilton in the slot and

726
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: have him on the field at the same time, you

727
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

728
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really what I think the question is.

729
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: I think he can, but I know it seems like

730
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: more and more teams are thinking he might be a

731
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: safety at the next level, and so you know, that's

732
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: where you got to kind of answer that question. And

733
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: then it's like, you know, and and but that's also

734
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: again kind of why you might see him slip down

735
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: because he's such a high level talent that he was,

736
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, seen as for a long time as kind

737
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: of the locked in top two cornerback and it was

738
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: kind of between him and Mitchell out of Toledo, and

739
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: so they're just kind of now, you know, And it's

740
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: kind of the same thing with kool Aid McKinstry. It's like,

741
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: is he a safety, is he a corner or can

742
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: you exploit that versatility and work it into your defensive scheme.

743
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I think the Ravens need to answer, right.

744
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: All right, And then the last position, just to get

745
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: your take on, is interior. We spent a lot of

746
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: time talking about line, but interior offensive line Dale Jeremiahs

747
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: told us that the Ravens are going to draft three

748
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: offensive linemen over the course of draft weekend.

749
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: Cole loves it. Oh my god, there's nobody loves that

750
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: playing more than Cole.

751
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: He's like only.

752
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: Three, Only three, that's it. And so they've got nine

753
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: draft picks right now. Three would be a lot, but

754
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: like they're going through a rebuild there. They want to

755
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: invest there, so like it's not shocking. I mean, that's

756
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: certainly feasible. So if they're if they're drafting three, some

757
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: of them are going to be on the interior. Who

758
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: is it on the interior? Now we're getting into this

759
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: is this isn't your wheelhouse, buddy, Like, this is the

760
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: mid to late round interior offensive line guys. So give

761
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: it to me, Cole.

762
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: Who you got?

763
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a guy that screams raven to me and

764
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: really brings me back what they were trying to do

765
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: with Ben Brettison and Ben Powers and kind of these

766
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: guys that were multi year starters at P five programs

767
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: that you know, had the All American and the and

768
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: the team Captain and you know all those kind of accolades.

769
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: Is Cooper b b Out of Kansas State? Like that

770
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: is the guy that you know when I look through

771
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: the Ravens history of drafting offensive guards. I look at

772
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: him and I say, I might as well give you

773
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: a purple jersey right now. Such a natural fit. And

774
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: I had to laugh because I was looking looking through

775
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: uh Lance Zerland and all the great work he does.

776
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 2: And he actually had his player comp as Kevin Zeitler.

777
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: So what a natural fit to kind of bring a

778
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: guy in that, you know, had that as a player camp.

779
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: But he's just one of those guys where he's so crafty.

780
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: He's one of my favorite guys in this class to study,

781
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: just with his you know, the way he kind of

782
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: plays games with guys and is using advanced techniques like

783
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: a slingshot technique when he's uh, when he's a you know,

784
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: in outside zone, and just some of the craftiness and

785
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: hand placement. And he's also just he's got to be

786
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: the strongest guy in this class kind of pound for pounds,

787
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: so he is. I was surprised at how well he

788
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: tested that. You know, if you had asked me before

789
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: the combine, what's his athletic ability, like I would have

790
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: said it was something he needs to work on, but

791
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: then he tested so well at the combine, so it

792
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: really makes you wonder, you know, is he just a

793
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: good tester or is that just you know, him scratching

794
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: his potential. But he's really that guy that kind of,

795
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: you know, I think he just has that Ravens vitality.

796
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: And another guy put in there is Tannerbordolini out of

797
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Wisconsin and he's gonna be probably seen as a center prospect,

798
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: but he played all five positions for the Badgers. And

799
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: a guy that plays all five positions and kind of

800
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: gives you that Patrick McCarry type replica. We know, the

801
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: Ravens love that versatility and their ability to to do that.

802
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: And he's just a guy that again plays the game

803
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: the right way. And I love drafting offensive lineman out

804
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: of the Big ten. I don't know what it is

805
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: about the Midwest, but they seem to, you know, be factories.

806
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: You get Ohio State and and Wisconsin and Iowa and

807
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: just you know, they all seem to produce great offensive linemen.

808
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: So those are two guys that, you know, really intrigued

809
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: me as guys that they could get later in the

810
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: draft that I think come in here and you know,

811
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: develop into really good football players. BB's who had a

812
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: third rounder, Yeah, I think that's his stock went way

813
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: up after the after the combine. I think it was

814
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: just him showing that athletic ability where it made people

815
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: be like, okay, like maybe this is And I think

816
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: he was seen as a bit scheme dependent. He had

817
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: to be in a gap scheme, kind of the old

818
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: throwback Greg Roman type offense. But now that he's kind

819
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: of shown that, and you look at his tape and

820
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: you see his ability and zone and you know, I

821
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: think he's got a lot more versatile than many thoughts.

822
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: So it's kind of bumped up. But you know, a

823
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: pick like they got when they traded traded up in

824
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: the fourth round, you know that's that's a position. You

825
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: could really find a solid guard prospect with that pick

826
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: one thirteen that they got in the trade.

827
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, lock it in, book, I'll take yeah for

828
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: your mock drafts. Take it. Don't even touch on Yea.

829
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: We're going to see our marks come out here in

830
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks and it's just going to be

831
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: like all the players that he mentioned here and.

832
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: Today's I can tell you you're taking geittin.

833
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: We'll see.

834
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: Oh I did lock it in, but you know we'll

835
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: still see anyway.

836
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: Hey, Cole, thank you for joining us buddy, all of

837
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: our listeners out there, make sure you check out Cole's

838
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: work on YouTube. Road Graders, just put that in there

839
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: and search out. You know what's funny cool is I

840
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: saw your tweets saying, you know, I haven't been posting

841
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: as much content. I've been really you know, the family's

842
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: been kicking my butt here. I've been busy. And then

843
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: I hit him up. I was like, hey, cool, how

844
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: about doing some more work. You gonna come on the pod.

845
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: You know I can't turn this one, Dawn. I actually

846
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 2: have my five year old who's home sick right beside

847
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: me right now. So this has been a great year

848
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: just where I feel like she's finally starting to pick

849
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: up on my obsession with football and the Ravens and

850
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: trying to kind of I don't want to say brainwash,

851
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: but it's kind of brainwashed. So she's just kind of

852
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: big there she is. She's just taken in all things Ravens,

853
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: and you know, having her I didn't get to watch

854
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: the conference championship because I got down to Baltimore for

855
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: that game, but watching the Houston game and letting her

856
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: stay up to kind of watch the end, it was

857
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: just such a blast. So it's it's as much it

858
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: is long days with the kids home. It's fun to

859
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: share this type of hobby with them.

860
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well enjoy it be uh, you know,

861
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: be on dad mode here. We'll let you go.

862
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, absolutely, Thank you guys so much, joys and

863
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: honor to.

864
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: Be on here.

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Speaker 3: dot org or call one eight hundred Gambler. So Cole

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Speaker 3: was obviously super knowledgeable about really the whole draft, but

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Speaker 3: I think that his perspective on the offensive lineman is

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Speaker 3: is great. You know, I thought that the conversation around,

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Speaker 3: you know, keep it to the first round like mems

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Speaker 3: and guiten is fascinating, and you know, I kind of

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Speaker 3: came away. If you haven't listened to the Jeremiah episode,

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Speaker 3: go back and listen to that one. I kind of

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Speaker 3: came away from that feeling like that. You know, it

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Speaker 3: seemed like he I kind of just felt good about man.

885
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Speaker 3: So he's talking about these coaches and who are saying

886
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: that he's the best pure pass blocker that they've ever

887
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Speaker 3: had it in Georgia Will Yeah, he was shutting down

888
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Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker every single day in practice and all this

889
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: stuff like so so, but then talking to Cole, you

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Speaker 3: hear about Titan and how he you know, projects to

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00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: the next level and how he's kind of the dream scenario.

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting. I do think if either of those

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Speaker 3: guys are there, I think that there's a very high

894
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 3: likelihood that they're at the pick.

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Speaker 4: I think that there's a very high likelihood of that.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's encouraging because you're sitting here at

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Speaker 3: thirty and I would say, historically speaking, that's not really

898
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Speaker 3: a spot where you can always get a plug and

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Speaker 3: play starter on the offensive line at the tackle position.

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Speaker 3: But it seems like if one of those two guys

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Speaker 3: is there, that's a pretty high likelihood. And even Kingsley

902
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Speaker 3: he thinks if he's there at thirty, he would make

903
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Speaker 3: a lot of sense there, which is probably a little

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Speaker 3: bit high. But like if you're getting a starting tackle,

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Speaker 3: it's not high.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, my gut tells me they're gonna be gone. Yeah,

908
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: there are so many teams out there. I just put

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Speaker 1: together a full first round mock draft that's gonna drop

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Speaker 1: here Monday, and just putting that together and looking at

911
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Speaker 1: all the team needs and and googling up all right,

912
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Speaker 1: you know, familiarizing myself with with all the team's needs.

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Speaker 1: Like everybody has tackle, tackle guard high on their list

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Speaker 1: of need offensive line help immediately, right, And I know

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of them out there, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you sit here and you count Joe alt JC Latham, Fuaga, Fushanu,

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Speaker 1: funt Faltanu. Gosh, I can't pronounce all these mimes right,

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Speaker 1: Like there's seven Barton. I mean, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of offensive tackles that are going to go in the

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Speaker 1: first round. And I just get this nagging feeling that

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Speaker 1: none of those guys are going to get to thirty

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Speaker 1: because there's so many teams that need offensive tackles and

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Speaker 1: you have a really, really good class.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that you know, that could be

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Speaker 3: the case, but like you know.

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Speaker 4: That you could totally be right.

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Speaker 3: But there's also there's going to be four quarterbacks that

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Speaker 3: are taken maybe more in front. There's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: run on wide receivers. Pass rushers go quick, like.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a couple of corners, a couple of

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Speaker 1: corners in there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the time of the year right now

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Speaker 3: where there's fifty first round picks, right because everybody's a

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Speaker 3: first round pick. Everybody's climbing the board. Everybody's now reaching

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Speaker 3: into the back half of the first round. Like that's

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Speaker 3: that's what everybody's saying right now. And of course there's

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Speaker 3: only thirty two of them. So I hope I could

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Speaker 3: I totally I agree with what you're saying, and that

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Speaker 3: could definitely be the case. I hope that that's not

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Speaker 3: the situation. And I think that there's still you know,

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Speaker 3: those guys aren't perfect prospects, so one of them could

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Speaker 3: be there for the Raves at thirty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll see it.

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Speaker 1: Certainly could be. My biggest question still remaining is if

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Speaker 1: neither of those guys is there, what do you do then? Right,

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Speaker 1: and it's either one, do you take Kingsley Swamateea? Do

947
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Speaker 1: you feel like he or somebody else is good enough

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Speaker 1: to pick at thirty? Do you feel like you can

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Speaker 1: trade back and maybe get one of those guys? Or

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Speaker 1: and this is the more likely scenario, best player available? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you could take the best player available at edge,

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Speaker 1: corner or wide receiver would be the three.

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Speaker 3: Right, then you're like, Okay, at receiver is that is

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Speaker 3: at a Ladd McConkey, at corner is at a kool

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Speaker 3: A McKinstry, is.

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Speaker 4: That you know?

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Speaker 3: Or the kids from Missouri Chop Robinson? Like, are those

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Speaker 3: who do you like?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 3: I think that there's enough areas that the Ravens could

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Speaker 3: just go best player available. I think, and I'll just

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Speaker 3: say this now, like, I don't think the Ravens are

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Speaker 3: trading out of the first round. I know that that's

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Speaker 3: an easy thing that a lot of people point to.

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Speaker 3: I think that they put some level of value on

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Speaker 3: that fifth year option. I don't know exactly how much

967
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Speaker 3: value they put on it, but trading out of that,

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Speaker 3: you lose a year of control and you lose that

969
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: opportunity to have. Now fifth year's option is not cheap,

970
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: but it's also not as expensive as the next contract.

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Speaker 3: So like, I think that they like having that as

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Speaker 3: an option and as a potential, and so I don't

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Speaker 3: think they're going to lose that unless they get a

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Speaker 3: great deal, a crazy great deal for somebody to move up,

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Speaker 3: just like the Ravens God to give up a second

976
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Speaker 3: round pick, you know, the next year to go up

977
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Speaker 3: and get Lamar Jackson that year. So unless you're giving

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Speaker 3: up like getting a really great return, I don't really

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Speaker 3: see that being the case.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the question is would they get an

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Speaker 1: offers from somebody early in the second round. Let's say, uh,

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Speaker 1: let's even say that Broncos, the Giants, somebody that might

983
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: trade up to take a quarterback at the end of

984
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Speaker 1: the first round, whether that be a bo Nix, maybe

985
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Speaker 1: that's a Penix, Michael PENNOCKX Junior. You know somebody that's

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Speaker 1: really once that fifth year option really badly take a

987
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Speaker 1: quarterback before they the second round starts. Now you're going

988
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Speaker 1: to have most of the quarterback hungry teams are going

989
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: to take their guys one, two, three, and potentially four, right,

990
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Speaker 1: I mean, probably not four. The Cardinals are picking for.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of talk of them trading and maybe

992
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Speaker 3: trading back. Exactly, Really your top three really quarterback hungry

993
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Speaker 3: teams are they have the first three picks, and for

994
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: a reason. So it would be a question of a

995
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 3: team like the Raiders and Broncos who pick it twelve

996
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: and thirteen in the first round. They are the other

997
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: teams that need quarterbacks. The Vikings, you know, the question

998
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 3: is that the Vikings move up. The Vikings like are

999
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: one of those teams if one of those quarterbacks is

1000
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Speaker 3: hanging around. Let's just say JJ McCarthy weren't taken early

1001
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Speaker 3: in the first ten picks by the Vikings or whatnot.

1002
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Speaker 1: Let's say the Broncos really like bo Nicks. Let's say

1003
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: the Raiders want to come up and get somebody right like,

1004
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: they could try to trade up and Baltimore has a

1005
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Speaker 1: early second round pick, And in that case, I don't

1006
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Speaker 1: hate it, because I do think even though the Ravens

1007
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Speaker 1: are set to get the max compis next year and

1008
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Speaker 1: they already have nine picks this season, I do think

1009
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Speaker 1: that Eric Decasa's mindset. Now with Lamar Jackson's contract, you know,

1010
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger, like you have to have a

1011
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of good young talent coming in, and more picks

1012
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: equals more shots of young, good young players, right.

1013
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think all that makes sense.

1014
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: So I don't want to trade back twenty picks, but

1015
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Speaker 1: if I can move somewhere, you know, ten, somewhere around

1016
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Speaker 1: that range, I just thybe I'm interested again.

1017
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Speaker 3: I just think there's a value on that fifth year.

1018
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 3: How much of a value there is, Like it's hard

1019
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: to put an exact number on it, but I think

1020
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Speaker 3: that like there's there will be hesitation to move back

1021
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: eight picks and give.

1022
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Up that fifick unless they didn't pick up the fifth

1023
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: year option on Patrick Queen. You would like to pick

1024
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: it up. Though, if they might not have picked it

1025
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: up on Marcus Brown, maybe maybe they'll pick it up.

1026
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: We remains to be seen a bateman in no way.

1027
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: But they're not slam dunks.

1028
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Speaker 4: But part of.

1029
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Speaker 1: That's great, But it's expensive. It's not like the fifth

1030
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Speaker 1: year option is like gives you the player at five million. No.

1031
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: But the part of the reason they got a first

1032
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: round pick on Marquis Brown is because there's two levels

1033
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Speaker 3: of two years of control left on him, so they

1034
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Speaker 3: got a first round pick in return for Markus Brown

1035
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Speaker 3: part of that fifth year option. So like I think

1036
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Speaker 3: you feel, if he hadn't had that fifth year option,

1037
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Speaker 3: I don't think they would have gotten a first round

1038
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Speaker 3: pick in return for him. Sure, So again I don't

1039
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Speaker 3: know exactly how much value there is. I just think

1040
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: that there there's definitely some and I think that the

1041
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: Ravens prioritize that. So this is all good stuff to

1042
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: to discuss, and I think it'll be fun to talk

1043
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: about it over the course of the next couple of

1044
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Speaker 3: weeks as we.

1045
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: Get ready for the draft. So we appreciate you listening.

1046
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Speaker 3: As always, you can emails the lounge at Ravens dot

1047
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 3: NFL dot net and coming up on Tuesday this week

1048
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: is the pre draft press conference. We're going to get

1049
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: a chance to hear from you know, Eric Costin, John

1050
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 3: Harballs as they preview of the draft and discuss what's

1051
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: the So stay tuned for that. Also head over to

1052
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: the Ravens Press Pass podcast feed where that full press

1053
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: conference will be posted after it's done on Tuesday. So

1054
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: thank you for listening, and we will talk with you

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Speaker 3: again soon