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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. We are investigating

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Sarah Stern, a gorgeous team girl, her

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Speaker 1: car found abandoned late at night on a remote bridge,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. We are joined by Sarah's dad, Michael Stern,

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Speaker 1: local reporter on the scene on the story from the

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Speaker 1: get go, Alex Napoleonello, Mama County Prosecutor Christopher Gramicioni, the

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Speaker 1: lead detective on the case, Brian Weisbrot is with US

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Speaker 1: doctor Daniel bober Renow, forensic psychologist. Last week we ended

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Speaker 1: with police trying to piece together a timeline of Sarah's disappearance,

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Speaker 1: her comings, her goings. Now neighborhood home surveillance cameras managed

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Speaker 1: to catch Sarah's car leaving her home several times the

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Speaker 1: day she goes missing. That's a good start, but there's

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Speaker 1: nothing saw it to give cops the league they really need.

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Speaker 1: All hope is seemingly lost. Then a new tip is

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Speaker 1: the love of money, the root of all evil. The

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Speaker 1: search intensifies. How any time Saturday morning, this weekend, and

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Speaker 1: you want to help search for Sarah Stern, Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Chillers unmongst Us, Sarah Stern. She's the young lady nineteen

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Speaker 1: years old missing since last weekend. Her car was found

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Speaker 1: on the Belmar Bridge through thirty five Bridge at three

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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. And she's from Neptune City and

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Speaker 1: no trace of her. Nobody can find her. Coast Guard

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Speaker 1: and law enforcement has been looking all over that area

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Speaker 1: and no trace of her yet. So her father Michael

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Speaker 1: is getting a bunch of people as many volunteers as

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Speaker 1: can come to the boardwalk tomorrow morning Ocean Grove at

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Speaker 1: Ocean Pathway at Ocean Avenue at the Boardwalk Pavilion. They

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Speaker 1: gather there at eight thirty and they fan out the

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Speaker 1: towns all up and down the shore. And if you're

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Speaker 1: a parent like me and you've ever had a child missing,

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Speaker 1: my heart goes out of this guy and to anyone

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Speaker 1: else who's close to Sarah and wants to try to

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Speaker 1: help find her. That's din as hard. At one on

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Speaker 1: one point five, the whole community joining in to comb

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Speaker 1: the area looking for Sarah. To Detective Brian, wife brought

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Speaker 1: with Mama County Detective, tell me this, tell me about

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Speaker 1: the land search for Sarah. So, the land search we

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Speaker 1: had that was conducted by the police and the various

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Speaker 1: volunteers with e MS and fire departments in the area

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Speaker 1: was conducted in and around the area of the bridge

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Speaker 1: where Sarah's carr was found over the Shark River on

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Speaker 1: round thirty five. That's essentially where the primary search began

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Speaker 1: and then it spanned out. Of course from there, an

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Speaker 1: extensive amount of searching was done by the marine law

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Speaker 1: enforcement units with the state Police in the County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: office as well. And we were doing uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: campusing for surveillance cameras and an effort to be able

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Speaker 1: to locate Sarah. You know in the area. Detective, did

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Speaker 1: you bring in tracker dogs? Yes, we did. We had

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Speaker 1: canine dogs assisting us, especially during the early portions of

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Speaker 1: the search. We had dogs in boats with their handlers, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, searching the shoreline as well. You know what

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know is that a dog,

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Speaker 1: a tracker dog can pick up a scent even in

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Speaker 1: the water. If the person has been in the water

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Speaker 1: that scent. To Michael Stern, Michael, that had to be

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Speaker 1: so surreal. Everything's fine when you leave for Florida. You

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Speaker 1: talked to her the night before. Everything is fine, she's happy.

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Speaker 1: The next thing you know, her car is abandoned, she's

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Speaker 1: not in the home, the dog is in the cage,

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Speaker 1: locked up, and all of a sudden you look out

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Speaker 1: and there are tracker dogs looking for your girl. Well,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of a lot of things going on.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of activity with between the local

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Speaker 1: local police and the Sheriff's department to order rescue unit.

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Speaker 1: So it was just it was just so many things

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're you know, we're throwing the information

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Speaker 1: that that Sarah's missing out farther and farther, So would

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Speaker 1: you know to just try to, you know, get some

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what was happening at the scene

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Speaker 1: of the search. Things are becoming very desperate. I really

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Speaker 1: didn't want to do this. I thought, you know, Sarah

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Speaker 1: would be fine. This is just that's you, Michael. That's

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Speaker 1: in the midst of everyone looking for Sarah. Do you

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Speaker 1: remember that moment when you spoke to NJA dot com? I,

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Speaker 1: actually I don't. I spoke to so many people and

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Speaker 1: that it just never ended. It was just one continuous

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Speaker 1: We know, we wanted to get as many media people

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Speaker 1: leads all the way to Canada. At the bridge, the

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Speaker 1: search begins in the water to public safety dive instructor

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Speaker 1: and trainer and evidence recovery specialists being Dobrin being thanks

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Speaker 1: for being with us, being what do you make of

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Speaker 1: the point where the car was found that remote bridge.

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Speaker 1: If Sarah Stern jumped off the bridge where they were

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Speaker 1: told she jumped off the bridge, the first thing you

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Speaker 1: do is put boats in the water. You need to

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Speaker 1: find out what the tide is doing. That's a tidal

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Speaker 1: with an outgoing tide, that that body can be washed

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Speaker 1: out very quickly, and once it gets from the ocean,

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Speaker 1: your search area has just gone up exponentially. If it's

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Speaker 1: an ingoing tide, you know, that really kind of narrows

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Speaker 1: a difference if somebody jumps in, there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: something like that obviously you're going to start right under

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Speaker 1: teams walking on the shoreline. But you also can have boats.

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Speaker 1: Helicopters can be a very good asset, especially if the

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Speaker 1: person had just jumped. If you have a helicopter with FLEAR,

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Speaker 1: of ways. Been question. Would it have helped if someone

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Speaker 1: so that the families can have closure, because sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: and the family can grieve with the body. Well, Ben,

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Speaker 1: what about the height of the bridge. Would the height

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Speaker 1: within a hundred yards of where he jumped in Durban

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Speaker 1: Michael Stern. Could you ever imagine Sarah jumping from that bridge? No,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine at all. That just wouldn't wouldn't be star.

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Speaker 1: will be totally unlike Sarah. Just nothing thought like that

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Speaker 1: your mind? I mean, in your mind, she would never

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Speaker 1: together what happened during this significant event. So it makes

430
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: perfect sense. Man, don't we all take a listen to

431
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: what else? Liam tells detectives, dishes cleaned of the house.

432
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: Then I called her initially that's whar I want to

433
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: get some food. What time do you hope about it? Sarah?

434
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes between them one and two o'clock one and two,

435
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: I went over. Did you go to eat? No? Yeah,

436
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: we did go to eat fire. I'm sure we initially

437
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: um wrapped up all her stuff, put in the containers

438
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: and then went across the street to the drapers put

439
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: the stuff and they're basing them and Sarah and I

440
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Taco Bell. Would you eat there? Now? We went back

441
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 1: to her house? Did you stay there the whole time? Here?

442
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: If you went back to her house? Yeah, we actually

443
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: went up into her and take some baby games. There

444
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: you have him again confirming the Taco Bell trip, and

445
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: they meet around one o'clock. They bring in containers of

446
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: her stuff to neighbors homes, which always has stumped me.

447
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: But forget about the containers where you're Sarah, They go

448
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: to Taco Bell, and you actually pull up video of

449
00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: them at Taco Bell. So Christopher GRAMICIONI you're one of

450
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Mammoth County's lead prosecutors. There you've got Liam's timeline hanging

451
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: together again. There at Taco Belle, just like you thought,

452
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: you confirmed that with video. That's right. So, just like

453
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: a puzzle, we're piecing together a timeline of what happened

454
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: from the point where Sarah was last known to be

455
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: to find out where she was, and trying to piece

456
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: together what happened there from. So that's just yet another

457
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: piece in the puzzle. Now I find something that came

458
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: out during Liam mctasney's police interview to be highly probitive.

459
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this, Christopher, what's the extent of

460
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: your relationship? Were pretty close friends? Ever your girlfriend? Now?

461
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: Sarah's friends and family portray her as this happy, go

462
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: lucky girl that never had any reason to say she

463
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: would hurt herself or hurt someone else, but Liam portrays

464
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: a different picture. Does she ever talk about like guys

465
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: or don't I know girls? No, she has been known

466
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: to obsess over girls in the past, though. He talks

467
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: about an ex girlfriend of his, Maggie, who Sarah became

468
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: obsessed with. She would always say stuff like, Maggie, if

469
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you don't come here right now, I'm gonna kill myself.

470
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: During his interview with detectives, Liam also asks them this question.

471
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: One thing. I want to fuck to you guys about boys.

472
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: She she did jump off the bridge? What did the

473
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: odds say She's not somewhere all the way out to detected?

474
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: Brian Weiss brought you know right there. That just strikes

475
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: me as odd. You're in the middle of trying to

476
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: piece together a timeline when suddenly mctasney starts asking, wouldn't

477
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: her body have washed out to sea by now? Yeah?

478
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: That was one of one of a few very odd

479
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: questions that Liam had had either asked or statements that

480
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: he made during that interview. We found it extremely Here

481
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: we are looking to find one of his close childhood friends,

482
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: and the question that he asks is that I would

483
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: have expected that he would have asked questions such as

484
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: what can I do to help? What have you done

485
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: so far? And perhaps identify additional people that we could

486
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: speak to to assist us in Low King Sarah. Yeah.

487
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: And the way he actually gesticulates to Mama County Prosecutor

488
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: Christopher Gramicione, Chris, the way he kind of like gesticulated

489
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: out to see. It's like he wanted her to be

490
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: out to see. It's hard to read within his mind. Obviously,

491
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: we can't do that. But I think that throughout he's

492
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: not only creating this ruse that Sarah maybe killed herself

493
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: or had some kind of depressive problems that might have

494
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: caused her reason to want to kill herself, but he's

495
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: also probing to find out how much the state has

496
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: on the case. The interview William mctasney goes on, you

497
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: guys keep questioning him. Then you find out something very

498
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: very odd and inconsistency. You haven't told us about the bank.

499
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: How can you haven't told us about the bank? Well,

500
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: I told the bank. Did you go to the bank?

501
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I was with her? Okay, that's the way back from

502
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Taco Bell, Well, thank you, char I shouldn't badly be

503
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: called Carney. What did you do with the bank? No idea,

504
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: it didn't going you stay at the car? Yeah, why

505
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: don't you stop at the bank. What did she tell you?

506
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: She was stopping the bank something to do for money.

507
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. She has found money in the one

508
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: house she wants ago and she has a lock box

509
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: call money any there. I don't know. She was taking

510
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: money out, putting money in there in a lock box?

511
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: School moneywhere and Carney Bank? On the way back from

512
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Taco value stuff to the bank, ro own new stuff,

513
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: being straight to the house. After that, you're at the

514
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: house until I want to work. Okay, Now wait a minute.

515
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: To Christopher Gramicione, we knew some money was in the

516
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: car with her when she checked on the money at

517
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: the bank, thousands and thousands of dollars in a safe

518
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: deposit box. We knew that. Didn't really know who. But

519
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: what difference does it make whether Liam went with her

520
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: or not to the bank, Chris, that's it. I mean

521
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: he left out one of the more material and important

522
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: parts of what we learned during the investigation, that he

523
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: accompanied her to the bank, that he watched her go

524
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: in get the money, they had discussions about the money,

525
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: and leaving that out, I know, created a serious concern

526
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: and raised the red flag for our investigators. Yeah, I

527
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: mean to forensic psychiatri is joining us doctor Daniel Bober,

528
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: I typically get more worried when somebody outright lies when

529
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: you've got a missing girl that could be murdered, could

530
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: have committed suicide, could have been kidnapped, and you leave

531
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: out a portion of the day. But yet on the

532
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I worry more when somebody lies about it. Here he

533
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: just left out what seemed to be an innocent trip

534
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: to the bank. Does that really bug you, doctor Bober? Yes,

535
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's lies of comission, there's lives of omission,

536
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: and clearly, if he was going to cooperate completely, he

537
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: would give a full and complete story. So yes, that

538
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: would be concerning to me. So let me tell you

539
00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: how this interview ends, Richard. If she had told me

540
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: that she was going to jump off the bridge, there

541
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: would have been no way that I could have gone

542
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: to work. That she's something she had to get away Canada,

543
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: get away from her dad. I think Canada was a

544
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: place that she had been, that she had a great experience,

545
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: had when it was something that she talked about potentially

546
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: moving there in Canada. I couldn't tell you. I can

547
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 1: honestly tell you that I'm one of her closest friends,

548
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: and I have no idea why she wouldn't tell me

549
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: anything before she left. When did you last see Sarah

550
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: when I was leaving her house to get a work.

551
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting because Liam is very chatty in these initial

552
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: first interviews, but eventually Tom runs out heres lawyer and

553
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: he stops talking. WHOA He lawyers up and stops talking Uh,

554
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: is that what happened to Chris GRAMICIONI yes, it is.

555
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: At some point after a detective White Brott was questioning him,

556
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: and soon after that the question concerning would you would

557
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: you would you be able to find her body if

558
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: it was out to see um? He has ended up

559
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: asserting his Fifth Amendment rights and opted no longer to

560
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: speak with law enforcement. Cops hit a dead end with

561
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: friend Liam mctaznie when he lawyers up and won't talk anymore,

562
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: so they turn to the third member of the Tree

563
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: of the Three Musketeers, Preston t l Or Listen tell

564
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: you about his day here there everything that Liam had

565
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: told us, Preston had confirmed there were no real inconsistencies

566
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: that they presented. At one point in the intervie, you

567
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: police ask Preston what he thinks happened to Sarah Stern?

568
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: What do you think? And if you watch and listen closely,

569
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: you'll hear his voice slightly cracked and his hand reaches

570
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: up to wipe something from his eye. He should jump?

571
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Why do you jump? Heard her? Dad? I went down

572
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: that night and watched his statement. When Brian came out

573
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: of the statement, he said, something's not right here. At all.

574
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: I did not have a good feeling about the information

575
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: that both Liam and Preston had told us. I wasn't

576
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: satisfied that something didn't happen to her, detected Brian Wispot,

577
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: Right there, you say you've got a bad feeling. Why

578
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: by the information that Liam was both telling us and

579
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: failing to tell us. Is his failure to tell us

580
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: about going to the bank. That certainly, as the proster said,

581
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: was a huge red flag for us. We felt as

582
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: though that if he was truly trying to assist in

583
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: locating one of his closest childhood friends, that was a

584
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: piece of information that he would have shared, especially considering

585
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: the fact that we had already learned that Sarah had

586
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: come into this money. I want to go to special

587
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: Guests joining me, Sarah Sterns dad, Michael Stern, the closest

588
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: person in the world to Sarah, trying to make sense

589
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: of her disappearance, Michael, when you learn her best friend,

590
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: Liam mctasney lawyers up and won't talk. And then Preston Taylor,

591
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: the third of the trio of three Musketeers, leave cops

592
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: feeling uneasy and queasy when you hear that, what do

593
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: you think, well, he was always the suspect in my mind.

594
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: When the first information we had was that he had

595
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: lost his phone, and that was on the way back

596
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: from Blarden. I asked the detective, you know, did anybody

597
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: check his phone? And he had lost his phone? Right away,

598
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: I was suspicious, but I had nothing else. That's all

599
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: I had. You had a dad's intuition. Something made you

600
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: ask cops day one, when you are driving through the

601
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: night to get home from Florida to find your daughter,

602
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you think then to say, well, where's his cell phone?

603
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: What made you think that, Michael, Well, if they had

604
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: his phone, they would see any communication that he would

605
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: have had had with Sarah. So if she had contacted

606
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: him after or you know, during that time when she

607
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: was between when he said he last saw her, that

608
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: there would have been something on there on his phone

609
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: if Sarah had called, because Sarah's phone also was missing.

610
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I know every jury is told point blank

611
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: the invoking your right to remain silent under the Fifth

612
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: Amendment or getting a lawyer, which is also a constitutional right,

613
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: means nothing, or at least it's not supposed to to

614
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: a jury. But Michael, when you learn your daughter's best friend,

615
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: lawyer's up and won't talk. What went through your mind

616
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: when you heard that? I was just I was overwhelmed.

617
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: You know. There was always something that said he had

618
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: something to do with it. We just couldn't pin it down.

619
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: Between the police and the detectives and any of Sarah's friends, nobody,

620
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: nobody could figure it out. It was everything led to

621
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: dead end. Michael. During all the years that your daughter

622
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Sarah was friends best friends with mctazney and Taylor, what

623
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: was your impression of them? Um? Just regular, you know,

624
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: regular guys. You know, didn't seem anything, you know, nothing

625
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, you know, kind of cordial, not

626
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really have a lot of interactions

627
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: with them, although I did, uh you know, was in

628
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: the car pool and stuff and participated in school projects

629
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: and stuff in grammar school, and you know, they were

630
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: on the same swim team in high school. Also, uh,

631
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Liam was on the Bradley Beach Fire Department as cadets.

632
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: Was Sarah too. So you know, I had a lot

633
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: of interaction with them, but nothing out of the ordinary

634
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: that would make them seem like you would even be

635
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: inclined to do anything like this. Neither well so far,

636
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: their stories are checking out, their alibis are holding, what

637
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: with the Brennan Steakhouse job and mctasni is on video

638
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: serving plates that night. So to you, County Prosecutor, Christopher

639
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: GRAMICIONI to me, Leah, mctasney strikes me as Eddie Haskell.

640
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: Do you remember him from Leave It to Beaver? I do?

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Speaker 1: I do. It's a great analogy, Yeah, I do. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's smiling in Sarah in Michael's face, But what's

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Speaker 1: he doing the rest of the time. Nancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,