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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome.

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Speaker 2: It's my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: That's Georgia hertstart.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen and Kilgarriff, and we're about.

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Speaker 1: To podcast for you. Watch this.

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Speaker 3: This is like we have to think of something to

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Speaker 3: say after welcome every week, and we're doing it every

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Speaker 3: week for ten years almost ten years, ten years.

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Speaker 1: Ten years ten.

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Speaker 3: So here's what I came up with for Georgia for

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Speaker 3: this week. Okay, I started this sentence, how did I

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Speaker 3: say it? And we're going to podcast that you oh

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Speaker 3: yo oh, just now. Right before we started, you said

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Speaker 3: I'm going to right, I'm going to get that's right,

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Speaker 3: you said I'm going to get and then you said

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna save it for the podcast. And yes, in

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Speaker 3: my wildest dreams, I can't imagine. I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Top three.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get another tattoo? Is that what it was?

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Speaker 3: Another fish tattoo? Another a second fish, second salmon tattoo.

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Speaker 3: But this one is five times the size of.

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Speaker 2: The first one.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get ready to walk out of here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, storm out. The best storm out is when you

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Speaker 1: warn people seven minutes in advance that you're going to

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Speaker 1: angrily stand up and walk out.

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Speaker 3: And you're waiting until you're on your being recorded.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly as many witnesses as possible.

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Speaker 2: Could the last one be I'm going to get more dogs?

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Speaker 1: Oh I am, But I mean that's not what it was, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to.

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Speaker 2: Be so about what is it?

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Speaker 1: When you play games like this, you can't help but

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Speaker 1: set yourself up to be like, I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: to get a bunch of Kleenex because my nose has

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Speaker 1: started randomly, all the sudden running when I have no allergies.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way I live my life. No, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden just it's menopause. Do you know? It's

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Speaker 1: the single stream of just something coming out of your nose.

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Speaker 1: You're like, what the hell? And then what it is?

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Speaker 2: Is that a thing too?

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Speaker 3: Yes, because I just blame everything on menopause. Now that

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Speaker 3: would be I mean I kind of do already, but

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Speaker 3: the nose is going to start running.

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Speaker 1: It's the thing you used to talk about during the

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Speaker 1: show where you were like, I have to have cleans

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Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, my nose will just run,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like okay, okay. And then like some point

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I was just sitting outside literally like sipping

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Speaker 1: a diet coke and it was like, go oh, onto

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Speaker 1: my lips. I was not ready.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to the fucking tissue world, socks. It's annoying.

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Speaker 2: Although my allergies are much better.

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Speaker 3: I've been taking these drops you can get like allergy

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Speaker 3: drops made. They test you and then they like gave

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Speaker 3: you the fascinating stuff for a true crime podcast.

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Speaker 1: What the people they want to hear about compounding pharmacies

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Speaker 1: on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: They want to tune into.

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Speaker 3: I always think of the beginning of these when we're

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Speaker 3: talking stupid shit like this, of the girl who's playing

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Speaker 3: it for her sister or her mom.

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Speaker 2: Be just wait, they get it gets better.

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Speaker 1: It's not always like this.

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Speaker 2: Let me pass forward, Let me let me pass forward.

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me that people aren't gripped by my

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Speaker 1: story of I'm about to get dot dot dot.

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Speaker 2: And my guesses? Let me nothing to nobody.

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Speaker 1: None of this means anything that anybody.

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Speaker 3: Means anything to anyone, And that's what we're here for.

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Speaker 1: And that's the lesson of ten years of podcasting.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I'm going to be in Ireland when this

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Speaker 3: gets posted and this gets what art dublin?

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah?

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Speaker 3: And then We're going to Edinburgh, which I'm a little

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Speaker 3: nervous about because the fringe Fest is going on and

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Speaker 3: it looks like every street performer is just up in

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Speaker 1: Yes, but it's Ireland, so they're more low key the

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Speaker 2: Now they're Scottish.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Oh sorry, I was thinking about when

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Speaker 1: I went to the Galway. You're talking fringe Fest. I

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Speaker 3: Okay, now that sounds great.

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Speaker 1: Your vacation is my vacation this world.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to this same my were places.

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Speaker 1: Edinburgh is one of the greatest cities there is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: Have you been before?

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Speaker 3: I went as a broke twenty five year old with

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Speaker 3: my friends who were doing a festival tour all over Europe,

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Speaker 3: for like twenty four hours. So now I'm going back

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Speaker 3: all fresh. We're gonna see Oasis on Vince's fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 2: So excited.

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Speaker 3: This is this is it?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to spare your beer cup full of pea?

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Speaker 1: Remember that moment?

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Speaker 3: But they always Oh my god, dear, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Thank god, that doesn't happen in my favorite murder Oh

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Speaker 3: live shows. Well you don't, I mean not anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a great fiftieth birthday. Yeah, that'll be very fun.

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Speaker 1: But then there's all the witchy things that you can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, castlely things and witchy things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, blood of tours and I mean there's just

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Speaker 1: the oldest of cultures.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I have to say that someone's going

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Speaker 3: to be living at my house while we're gone, so

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Speaker 3: no one breaks in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is that what Marty's on duty?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what ten years of this podcast will do you,

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Speaker 3: because you get so paranoid.

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Speaker 2: That you have to, you know, do that.

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Speaker 3: People should know though, I have pat So clearly someone's

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Speaker 1: Going to be watching the house for me, me and

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Speaker 3: She'll scratch your fucking eyes out.

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Speaker 1: Be careful of MEMI all right, anything else exciting going on?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a great exciting trip to take.

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Speaker 3: No. I mean, we're just planning for our live shows.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it's coming up so fast.

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Speaker 1: It is coming up back.

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Speaker 3: Go to my favorite murder dot com slash live to

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Speaker 3: get tickets.

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Speaker 1: Please, that's right, and we do want to thank everybody

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Speaker 1: for all of your excitement. We announced and you showed

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Speaker 1: so much. There are a couple tickets left Pasadena, San Diego,

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Speaker 1: So go to my favorite murder dot com slash live

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Speaker 1: and get what is now available. At the airing of

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Speaker 3: I'm picking out so many dresses, you guys are gonna

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Speaker 3: I'm picking out dresses that I looked at it and

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Speaker 3: my Karen's dad would say, what.

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Speaker 2: The hell is she wearing? I don't know why. That's

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Speaker 2: my goal, Yes, for your dad to what in the

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Speaker 2: hell is she wearing?

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Speaker 3: Jesus's from the nineteen sixties?

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Speaker 2: Why would she wear that?

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Speaker 1: You were Kathleen out a dress like that? Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: a great idea. Yeah, I'm always dressing for the opposite

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Speaker 3: Don't want to hear it, don't comment on my clothes.

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Speaker 3: Do want to hear it, But I have to say.

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Speaker 3: I was doing some shopping this week, and it's so

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Speaker 2: Come on, like, where I am?

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Speaker 1: Where am I going to put that little Apple remote?

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be in bed the whole time. I'm

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Speaker 1: Rocking around with the Apple remote in your pockets and shit,

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Speaker 1: it's gone forever.

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Speaker 2: And I put my headphones.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so we're preparing to Are you prepared?

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Speaker 2: For sure? Prepared? Please come and don't throw your pee.

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Speaker 1: Please don't pull an Oasis audience on us. Oh that

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Speaker 3: Thank you for doing that. Yeah, all right, Well this

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Speaker 3: is a solo episode because summer it's vacation. The live

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Speaker 3: shows are coming up, so you tell me a story.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's my chance to shine.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: There was a very famous movie very recently about these

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Speaker 1: murders that I'm going to tell you about.

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Speaker 3: We begin today in Osage.

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Speaker 1: County, Oklahoma, home to the O Sage Nation. Holy shit,

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Speaker 1: this wasn't always the O Sage Nation's home. In the

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Speaker 1: eighteen seventies, after having already been pushed out of their

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Speaker 1: Osage are then forced to relocate from Kansas to eastern

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma on land that white authorities have deemed worthless for farming,

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Speaker 1: but decades later, underneath that same worthless land, oil deposits

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Speaker 1: sitting on a gold mine, they meet with the federal

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Speaker 1: government and shrewdly negotiate to maintain their reservation's mineral rights,

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Speaker 1: flipping a very racist power dynamic on its head. So

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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty three alone, those oil royalties brought in

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Speaker 1: around thirty million dollars for the Osage nation. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to guess what that would be in today's money?

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Speaker 1: One hundred and seventy five, four hundred and eighty million dollars. Shit, yes,

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Speaker 1: and that's in one year.

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Speaker 3: The person who did the accounting, a fucking white manager.

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Speaker 3: The accounting like just send them there?

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Speaker 1: Yes, fired? Well, because yeah, exactly, they're like, this is

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Speaker 1: not our colonial plan where we're trying to oppress these people. Right,

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Speaker 1: So how the Osage decide to handle it is they

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Speaker 1: pulled that money and then they divide it equally among

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Speaker 1: the two thousand, two hundred and twenty nine people listed

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Speaker 1: on the official O Sage tribal role. Wow, everybody gets

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Speaker 1: a cut jam and there's more than enough to go, right,

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Speaker 1: is there? Yes, And so each person's share become known

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Speaker 1: as their head rights, and will refer to head rights

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Speaker 1: kind of for the rest of the story. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: by the nineteen tens and into the twenties, the Osage

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Speaker 1: goes to visit Molly in Ernest and she gets a

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00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: ride home from Ernest's brother Brian, who she's actually gone

441
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: on a few dates with. After that, Anna vanishes. Her

442
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: family members don't hear from her for several days, which

443
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: is extremely out of character for her. A week later,

444
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: squirrel hunters find the body of thirty six year old

445
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: Anna dumped in an Osage County ravine. She's been shot

446
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: twice in the head, and even though there are no

447
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: exit wounds, the White doctors who perform her autopsy can't

448
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: seem to find the bullets in her skull.

449
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: God like her last moments realizing that it was all scam.

450
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: They've been betrayed. Her sister's husband like he's about to

451
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: go back to her, is fucking.

452
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: It's her sister's husband's brother is one away. But still, yeah,

453
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: you're totally right where it's like, all of a sudden,

454
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: it all is a plot. Ye, Like this is the

455
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: confirmation she can't tell anybody.

456
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, horrifying.

457
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: So those bullets could be critical evidence, but of course

458
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: they just simply quote unquote can't find them. On the

459
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: same day that Anna's body is found, a second body

460
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: is found under some brush near the town of pah Husca,

461
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: which is also an Osage County. The victim here is male,

462
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: but like Anna, he is Osage, he's wealthy, he's in

463
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: his thirties, and he's been shot twice in the head.

464
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: There's a letter addressed to a Charles Whitehorn in his pocket,

465
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: and that's how authorities identify him. So these two murders

466
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: send shockwaves through the Osage nation, and the expectation, of course,

467
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: is that both deaths will be properly investigated and the

468
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: perpetrators will be brought to justice. But despite a few

469
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: people being brought in for questioning, including Anna's ex husband

470
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: and ernest brother Brian, the man who drove Anna home

471
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: the night she went missing, no one is charged in

472
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: either case, and police don't even determine whether or not

473
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: the murders are connected.

474
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 3: Two bullets each, yeah, and maybe they're not connected.

475
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: Exactly m O same day.

476
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

477
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: In July of nineteen twenty one, about two months after

478
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: those bodies are found, the inquiry into Anna's death is

479
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: officially closed with the determination that she was murdered quote

480
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: at the hands of parties unknown. That's just as far

481
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: as it's going to go. The case cold, case closed.

482
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: This is the same verdict reached in the Charles Whitehorn investigation.

483
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: So with the white authorities failing to take real action,

484
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: the victims loved ones are forced to investigate themselves. So

485
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: that is the advantage of this oil boon, is that

486
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: now instead of being put in this place of like

487
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: having to beg people, they can hire private investigators, so

488
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 1: that's what they do. Both families hire private investigators, and

489
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: they soon uncover a bombshell. It turns out that Anna

490
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: was pregnant at the time of her murder. Oh shit,

491
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: no one knows who the father might be. So now

492
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: the families post rewards for any information that could help

493
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: solve the cases, with Molly's family offering two thousand dollars,

494
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: which is thirty five thousand dollars in today's money.

495
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

496
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: They also enlist William Hale's help, who talks to his

497
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: buddies down at the police station and at the DA's office.

498
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: That's the head guy guy around town.

499
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he is like, like, I'm going to help.

500
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: He just is like, I'm friendly, I'm friends to the

501
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: Osh people. He's also basically saying I'm going to pull

502
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: some strings, being the uncle that kind of Orzat's uncle

503
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: of Ernest. Around the same time, Molly's mother Lizzie gets

504
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: very sick and dies. Lizzie did have some underlying medical issues,

505
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: and some people wonder if the grief of losing two

506
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: daughters within just a couple of years was just too

507
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: much for her to handle. But Molly, Rita, and Rita's

508
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: husband Bill share a nagging suspicion that there is more

509
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: to that story, but no doctors are interested in investigating

510
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: Lizzie's cause of death any further. So Meanwhile, Lizzie owns

511
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: several valuable head rights. She has her own, she has

512
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: her late husbands, and then she has the partial ones

513
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: she inherited back from both Mini and Anna. So now,

514
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: following her death, these headrights will be divided between two households,

515
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: Molly and Ernests and Rita and Bill's. OK, this is

516
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot of money.

517
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

518
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: Molly and Rita have now lost two sisters and their mother,

519
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: all in close succession, and they are deeply in grief.

520
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: But Rita's husband Bill is becoming very vocal about his

521
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: belief that their family is systematically being murdered.

522
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 3: Oh God, I'm scary. Yeah.

523
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: He even takes it upon himself to investigate the murders

524
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: alongside the private investigators they've hired, but he always stop

525
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: short of accusing anyone by name, because he's not an idiot.

526
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: They are surbrounded. Meanwhile, across the county, more members of

527
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: the Osage nation are dying under strange circumstances. In nineteen

528
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: twenty two, a twenty nine year old champion steer roper

529
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: named William Stepson picks up the phone at his home

530
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: in the Osage County town of Fairfax, where he lives

531
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: with his wife and two children, and he receives some

532
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: sort of message that then prompts him to leave the

533
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: house immediately. When he comes back later that night, he

534
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: is very, very sick. He dies within hours of making

535
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: it back home.

536
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 3: So someone called and we're like, you got to get

537
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: over here, and then something the faery has happened.

538
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and he makes it back home, just basically

539
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: to die at home. Many Osage immediately suspect William was

540
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: poisoned that night, but beyond hiring private investigators and posting rewards,

541
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: there are very few avenues to meaningfully investigate, as local

542
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: police just refuse to acknowledge the possibility that it was

543
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: a murder. A few months later, an Osage man in

544
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 1: his thirties named Joe Bates starts quote, frothing at the

545
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: mouth after drinking whiskey he'd purchased from a stranger. He

546
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: collapses and dies not long after, leaving behind a wife

547
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: and six kids. The Osage Nation suspects yet another poisoning,

548
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: but again local officials decide not to investigate. So now

549
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: the Osage Nation of a completely lost faith in the

550
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: local whiteworn institutions and they basically feel forced to take

551
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: matters into their own hands. So about a month after

552
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: Joe Bates's murder, tribal leaders enlist a white, fifty five

553
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: year old oil man named Barney McBride, whom the Osage

554
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: trust and consider to be an ally, to head up

555
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: to Washington, d C and lobby the federal government to

556
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: send investigators to Osage County. But shortly after arriving in DC,

557
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: Barney is ambushed, stabbed to death, and dumped in an alleyway.

558
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: Holy sh okay that now you're like, we're not being paranoid.

559
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: No one's being paranoid. They weren't being paranoid the first time.

560
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: And now it's like confirmation after confirmation. How terrifying, and

561
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: the suspicious deaths continue. In January of nineteen twenty three,

562
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: the body of forty year old Henry Ruin, who is

563
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: Molly and Rita's cousin, is found north of Fairfax in

564
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: his car, slumped over the steering wheel having been shot

565
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: in the back of the head. This is another clear homicide,

566
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: and the police do not meaningfully investigate it. Makes months later,

567
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: in June of nineteen twenty three, an osage man in

568
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: his forties named George Bigheart becomes very sick. He suspects

569
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: he's been poisoned, and from his deathbed, he asks to

570
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: see a fifty four year old white lawyer named W. W. Vaughan, who,

571
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: like Barney McBride, is widely seen as a true o

572
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: sage ally, and he shares with him what he claims

573
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: is key information about the murders, along with a stack

574
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: of incriminating documents. After George dies, W W. Vaughn calls

575
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: his wife, who has just given birth to their tenth child,

576
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Oh my God, to tell her where he stashed some

577
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: money in case anything happens to him, because he knows.

578
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: He then contacts the sheriff. He's saying he's on the

579
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: way with evidence. Once he leaves that hospital, he vanishes.

580
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got to be scary.

581
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: That's got to be the scary. Yeah, to be that guy.

582
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did it anyway, He sure did it.

583
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: What I mean, like, he fucking did it anyway.

584
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: He truly was acting on the Osage's behalf clearly.

585
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

586
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: A few days later, W. W. Vaughan's dead body is

587
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: found near some railroad tracks, having clearly been thrown from

588
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: a moving train. Jesus, neither his nor George Bigheart's killers

589
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: are ever found, nor are the documents that George gave

590
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: Vaughn at the hospital just gone. Now it's spring of

591
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three, and the violence and lack of accountability

592
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: are so extreme that many Osage believe that white officials,

593
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: the cops, doctors, politicians, all of them aren't just covering

594
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: up their white friend's murders. They're actively participating in what

595
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: is like a conspiracy to ostensibly steal their victim's fortunes.

596
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: There's the sense that any O Sage person might be next.

597
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: This fear is so intense that Rita and Bill move

598
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: from the countryside into a more populated Fairfax neighborhood, hoping

599
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: that being around other people will help keep them safe.

600
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 3: Like a systematic execution of the whole of the whole family,

601
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: community and family. Yeah, Molly and Ernest, who have just

602
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: welcomed the third daughter named Anna, named after her aunt.

603
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: They live just down the Street. So one night in

604
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: March of nineteen twenty three, Molly and Ernest wake up

605
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 3: to the sound of a massive bang. Mollie jumps out

606
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: of bed, runs to the window, and sees a huge

607
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: orange fireball rising.

608
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Above her sister's house. Rita in Bill's home has just

609
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: been bombed. The property is reduced to rubble. Rita and

610
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: the family's teenage maid, a woman named Neddie Brookshire, die instantly.

611
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Bill lives through the explosion. He hangs on for several days,

612
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 1: and then Sue comes to his injuries. Holy shit, his

613
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: doctors inject him with so much morphine that he isn't

614
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: able to say much before he dies. Aside from this quote, Okay,

615
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: they got Rita and now it looks like they've got me.

616
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: Damn end quote. So, aside from Ernest and their children,

617
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Mollie is now the only member of her immediate family

618
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: that's left alive. This means all of their assets and

619
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: head rights, her father's, her mothers, and her three sisters

620
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: are transferred to her in Earnest.

621
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah.

622
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: So now, meanwhile, up in Washington, DC, a twenty nine

623
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: year old j Edgar Hoover, who Leonardo DiCaprio has also

624
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: played in a film has just been made the acting

625
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: director of the Bureau of Investigation, which is the early

626
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: incarnation of the FBI, And even though homicides aren't really

627
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: the Bureau's purview at the time, they're more known for

628
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: tackling white collar crimes. They've technically been working on the

629
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Osage case for a couple of years, even though it

630
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: is a complete mess. So in nineteen twenty five, Hoover

631
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: sends a respected law man named Thomas B. White to

632
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: take over the Oklahoma Field Office and to shake up

633
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: this investigation. Agent White is a six foot tall Texan

634
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: in his forties with a no nonsense, incorruptible reputation. He

635
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: has a sterling background as a Texas ranger and as

636
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: a special agent for railroad companies. We've actually talked about

637
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: this man before in episode four to ten, which was

638
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: entitled The Bossy One, because he will eventually become a

639
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: prison warden that gets taken hostage during the Levenworth prison

640
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: break of nineteen thirty one.

641
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: That's right, I remember that.

642
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, So that's same guy. So Agent White is

643
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: his younger years. He assembles a team of agents, including

644
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: undercover operatives, to go into Osage County, but right away

645
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: they hit a wall of silence because people are very

646
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: afraid to share what they do no or even what

647
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: they suspect.

648
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: Everyone could be the enemy, yes.

649
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Because if you aren't acting with the enemy, then then

650
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: you'll just get killed too. So as Agent White interviews

651
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: people and digs around in the case files, he's finding

652
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: signs of a clear conspiracy which corroborate with the Osage

653
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: have been suspecting all along. Important pieces of evidence go missing,

654
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Autopsies are hastily prepared, witness statements are never followed up

655
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: on alibis go unchecked, and one of the people that

656
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Agent White really wants to speak to about this is

657
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Molly Burkhart, but when he first meets her, he is

658
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: stunned by how sick she is. Ernest explains that Molly

659
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: suffers from diabetes and that she's recently started taking insulin,

660
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: which is hard to come by and considered experimental at

661
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: the time, But instead of improving, Molly seems to be

662
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: getting worse. Because of this insulin, Agent White suspects that

663
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: Molly is being poisoned by someone. He can't do much

664
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: with the suspicion until he pulls some evidence together, but

665
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: fortunately a tip comes in. An incarcerated man named Bert

666
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Lawson spills that back in nineteen twenty three, he was

667
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: ed to blow up Bill and Rita Smith's home using nitroglycerin.

668
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: He was paid five thousand dollars to do this, which

669
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: is ninety thousand in today's money, and the man who

670
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: hired him none other than self professed best friend of

671
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: the Osage himself, William Hale, and his nephew, Ernest Burkhart,

672
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: Molly's doting husband, served as his intermediary agent. White then

673
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: learns that William Hale was the beneficiary of victim Henry

674
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: Rowan's twenty five thousand dollars life insurance policy, which is

675
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: worth nearly four hundred and fifty thousand dollars today, despite

676
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: Henry leaving behind a wife and children, So for some reason,

677
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: he's got a life insurance policy that names this dude

678
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: and not his immediate family. Not long before Henry's murder,

679
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Hale shopped around to different insurers before finding one that

680
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: was willing to sign off and such a suspicious policy,

681
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: and insurer will eventually claim he'd actually asked Hale if

682
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: he was planning on killing Henry for the payout, and

683
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Hale reportedly said back, quote, oh God, I am hell.

684
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, and then just sign here, sir, Like what

685
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: the fuck?

686
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: Just sign here so I can go on my White

687
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: Way and never say a fucking word about it.

688
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, on my White Way. It's the new

689
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: follow the elepric road.

690
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: Please know, every time we tell a story about the

691
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: White Way, it's not great.

692
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: Gotta say yeah.

693
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: Agent White theorizes that the motive here is obvious and straightforward.

694
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: William Hale profited from Henry Rohan's death and stood to

695
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: gain even more with the help of his compliant nephew, Ernest.

696
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: Molly's mother and sister's estates and oil head rights funneled

697
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars straight into Earnest's control and

698
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: by proxy, William Hale's. Yeah, these estates are worth millions

699
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: and millions in today's money. As the investigation closes in,

700
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: people who Agent White believes are tied up in this

701
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: conspiracy wind up dead. Any of these are white men

702
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: suspected of working with Hale, who were then silenced before

703
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: they could talk, turn on him, or testify. Yeah, the

704
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: three d's I threw the second t in because I

705
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: wanted it to be three. Agent White himself becomes a target.

706
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: One of his relatives will later tell David Grant that

707
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: quote once when he went to open his window, he

708
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: found sticks of dynamite behind the curtain. No end quote,

709
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: just by chance, like.

710
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: A fucking cartoon, Lennytun's cartoon.

711
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: So White starts sleeping with a gun, and he keeps

712
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: his head on a swovel anytime he's out in public,

713
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: knowing that William Hale wants him dead and actually has

714
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: enough power to make that happen in Osage County for sure.

715
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Then Agent White starts meeting with Ernest Burkhart, who, little

716
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: by little starts talking. It all gets very complicated, but

717
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: essentially Ernest shares just enough to implicate one of William

718
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: Hale's goons, who then in turn says just enough information

719
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: about Hale and Earnest to implicate hate them. As the

720
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: men slowly reveal more and more information, a tangled web

721
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: of White settlers is exposed and taken into custody for

722
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: the murders of Anna Rita Bill, the Smith's maid, Nettie Berkshire,

723
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: and Henry Rohane. And the only reason Minnie and Lizzie's

724
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: deaths are not part of this FBI investigation, is because

725
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: their cause of death remained unclear. Meanwhile, Mollie has now

726
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: become so sick that she's actually nearing death, so she's

727
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: rushed to a hospital and while she's there, her condition

728
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: quickly improves, and that's how it's determined that her insulin

729
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: injections were being laced with poison. Those shots were being

730
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: administered by the same white doctors known as the Shawn Brothers,

731
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: who had quote treated her mother Lizzie before her death,

732
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: injected Bill Smith with so much morphine following the blast

733
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: that he couldn't speak, and determined her sister Minnie had

734
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: died of a quote wasting illness, and suspiciously the ones

735
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: who couldn't find the fatal bullets in Anna's head during

736
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: her op top seating. So here's your conspiracy made real. Yeah, horrifying,

737
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: And of course these doctors just happen to have a

738
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: very chummy relationship with William Hale. So in nineteen twenty six,

739
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: the first trial in this case kicks off, but there

740
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: will be many in the coming years as prosecutors unravel

741
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: this conspiracy and work to convict William Hale, Ernest Burkhardt,

742
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: and their accomplices. The Tulsa Tribune describes the packed courtroom

743
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: as filled with quote, well groomed businessmen and society women,

744
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: as well as cowboys in broad brimmed hats and Osage

745
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: chiefs and bearded garb It's.

746
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 2: Pretty surprising that they even were brought to trial.

747
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I would suspect that they would just never

748
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: get caught and never brought to justice.

749
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's pretty incredible.

750
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: They get brought to justice and then in this way

751
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: where like people get to show up. I mean, it's

752
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: why they cut people off from money, because money is power.

753
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: Money is that voice that you get to hire in

754
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: a lawyer that makes that real. So Mollie herself is

755
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: there and with Hale and Ernest both pleading not guilty,

756
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: she seems to be standing by her husband, presumably because

757
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: she can't fathom what he's being accused of. A conspiracy

758
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: to this level and because of her support of her husband.

759
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Mollie is shut out by much of the Osage community.

760
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: At the same time, she's shunned by the white people

761
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: who blame her for William Hale's downfall. Mollie is also

762
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: enduring the horrific testimony about her beloved family members and

763
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: their debts. For example, in a particularly shocking twist, prosecutors

764
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: reveal in court that her sister Anna had confided in

765
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: close friends the identity of her unborn child's father. Oh shit,

766
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: she believed it was William Hale's baby. No, this is

767
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: a married man, so if he did get Anna pregnant,

768
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: presumably be because they had an affair. This suggests another

769
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: possible motive for her murder. Tragically, Molly and Ernest's youngest daughter,

770
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: Anna then eyes of whooping cough around this time, and

771
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: that seems to fundamentally shift something in Ernest Burkhart. He

772
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: decides to rescind his not guilty plea and come clean,

773
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: and he names Hale as the mastermind of this entire conspiracy,

774
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: while duly admitting to facilitating the bombing at the smith

775
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: House and the shooting death of Henry Rowan. Ernest wasn't

776
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: the guy who lit the fuse or pulled the trigger

777
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: in either of those murders, but he found men willing

778
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: to do it, and he made sure the jobs got done.

779
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: And while Ernest's exact knowledge on the plan to kill

780
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Anna isn't clear. We do know that his brother Brian

781
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: was directly implicated. A man named Kelsey Morrison eventually confesses,

782
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: claiming that William Hale hired him to kill Anna. Kelsey

783
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: testifies that Brian was right beside him as he pulled

784
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: the trigger that night, and he'd even driven Anna to

785
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: the ravine in Ernest's car. Oh god. When Brian is

786
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: eventually charged in connection with Anna's murder, his trial ends

787
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: in hung jury and he's a quitted No. The one

788
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: thing Ernest does always maintain is that he had no

789
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: idea that they were poisoning Molly's insulin, and no one

790
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: knows if that's true. Suspect right, well, yes, I mean,

791
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: like if other people are dying of poison, you should

792
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: have suspected it before you, Like, I mean, if you

793
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: were clear on that, that would have been something you

794
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: would have been all over. Regardless, Ernest admitting to everything

795
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: shifts something in Molly. Of course, she can no longer

796
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: cling to the hope that he is somehow innocent. She

797
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: files for a divorce and refuses to ever look at

798
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: him again. Wow, I mean yeah.

799
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, yeah, good for her.

800
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: The betrayal. It's someone your thought.

801
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: He it's so heartbreaking, and that you had a family with.

802
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: And it's like Bill was her sister's husband. Bill was

803
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: the real deal.

804
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, also did he love the kids? Who?

805
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 3: The fuck?

806
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: Right?

807
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: You'll never know for sure?

808
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Right? Who were you this whole time? Could there be

809
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: love if you're also then killing my mother, killing my sister?

810
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: Like, that's not how love works? No?

811
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Is your love good enough?

812
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: Oh? My god?

813
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: David Grant writes that quote. Whenever her husband's name was mentioned,

814
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: she recoiled in horror. In the end, some semblance of

815
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: justice is served, which many o Sage were not expecting.

816
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: Both Ernest Burkhart and William Hale are sentenced to life

817
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: in prison. Of course, Hale serves just twenty one years

818
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: before being paroled in nineteen forty seven, although he is

819
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: barred from ever going back to Oklahoma. He dies quietly

820
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: in an Arizona nursing home in nineteen sixty two at

821
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: the age of eighty seven. What's weird is when Hale

822
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: goes to jail for this stint, He's sent to Leavenworth

823
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: and that's where Thomas White will soon become the warden Wow,

824
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: Agent White, So they overlap weird at that jail. Ernest

825
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: Burkhart also gets parole, but it happens a bit earlier

826
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven. He's arrested not long after that

827
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: for robbing a house. Somehow, he still receives a full

828
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: pardon from the then Oklahoma governor in nineteen sixty five,

829
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: ostensibly pardon ostensibly because his confession helped put Hale and

830
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the others away. But the pardon does allow him to

831
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: go back to Oklahoma. Ernest winds up moving into a

832
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: trailer in Osage County that he shares with his brother Brian,

833
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and he dies there in nineteen eighty six at the

834
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: age of ninety four as a pariah. Wow. So it's

835
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: not like he doesn't go back to life as he

836
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: knew it in.

837
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: Any way, bad fucking loaners who live out in a

838
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: trailer together.

839
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: And also but.

840
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Long Yeah, whether he is a tool of his evil

841
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: uncle or a part of the plan. This idea that

842
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: you think you could go anywhere where people will be like, hey,

843
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: you served your time for a betrayal that to that

844
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: lie level.

845
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, of your own wife, yeah, and children of course children.

846
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: As for Mollie Burkhart. She maintains a low profile for

847
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: the rest of her life. We know she eventually remarries,

848
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: and that she dies young at the age of fifty

849
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven of an unspecified illness. Mollie's death

850
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: is not considered suspicious, except for maybe by me and you,

851
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: maybe coincidental that she dies the same year Ernest is paroled. Yeah,

852
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: so Mollie's two children and earnest two children inherit her estate.

853
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: But at this point, by the time they inherit it,

854
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: it's dwindled because of the Great Depression, so it's nothing

855
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: like it was before. But this isn't the end of

856
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: the story. Despite Agent Thomas White's commendable work in Oklahoma,

857
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: this case does not conclude it with the FBI swooping

858
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: in and catching the bad guys, even though Jay Edgar Hoover, ever,

859
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: the egotistical, power hungry guy, was very eager to frame

860
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: it that way. Hoover, like his agents and just about

861
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: everyone in the oce Age Nation, knew very well that

862
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: there was a much larger, more insidious conspiracy going on here,

863
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: and he chose to ignore it. But not before he

864
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: built the Osage Nation twenty thousand dollars the equivalent of

865
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy thousand dollars in today's money, for

866
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: what for the work his agents did on the William.

867
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: Haleka Sorry, this is not like a fucking cleaning service

868
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: that came and cleaned. You don't get to charge Yeah,

869
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Speaker 3: FBI built taxes, bro Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And that is something that was not captured in the movie.

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00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: But it's a point David Grant drives home in the

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Speaker 1: book Killers of the Flower Moom. Basically, William Hale was

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Speaker 1: not some homicidal mob boss behind every unsolved o Sage

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Speaker 1: County murder like Jaya gar Hoover wanted him to seem. Instead,

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Speaker 1: he was one bad actor of many who were all

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00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: operating within a culture of complicity and violence geared at

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Speaker 1: making white settlers richer at the expense of Osage Nation members,

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Speaker 1: and also at the expense of their neighbors, their friends,

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Speaker 1: and even their family members, which is essentially colonialism. As

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00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: David gran has put it, quote, this is not a

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00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: story about who did it, It's a story about who

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00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: Damn. Just give me a yeah.

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Speaker 1: For example, Charles Whitehorn, the man whose body was found

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00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: the same day as Anna's body is widely assumed to

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00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: have been murdered by a white man in collusion with

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Speaker 1: Whitehorn's white widow, Hattie, presumably for his head right. Ye

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00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: Hattie once even told investigators quote, if I tell you

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00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: what happened, you will send me to the electric chair.

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Speaker 1: The other suspicious deaths, the ones of William steps and

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00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Joe Bates, George Bigheart, Barney McBride, and W. W. Vaughn,

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Speaker 1: are never solved, but they are not thought to be

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00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: directly tied to the William Hale conspiracy, which means they're

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00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: just from their own either conspiracy of a different group,

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Speaker 1: or anyone else that these people were exposed to with

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00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: no protection from.

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Speaker 3: Yeah who had the same goal in mind.

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Speaker 1: So in the mid nineteen twenties, laws are finally passed

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Speaker 1: that make it more difficult to transfer head rights to

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Speaker 1: non Osage people, even through marriage. But for many this

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00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: happens way too late. We will almost certainly never have

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00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: a conclusive death toll for this period of time in

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Speaker 1: Osage County. The most modest estimates put that number in

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00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: the dozens, but a historian named Lewis Burns has said quote,

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Speaker 1: I don't know of a single Osage family that didn't

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00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: lose at least one family member because of head rights.

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00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

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00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah end quote. Today, the o Sage Nation as a

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00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: population of around ten thousand people, many of them live

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00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: outside of Oklahoma. And of course the oil boom days

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00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: are over, as are the big checks that came with it,

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Speaker 1: but the ripple effects of this dark chapter are still

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Speaker 1: widely felt among the Osage people. In Killers of the

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Speaker 1: Flower Moon, David Grant interviews the great grandson of Henry Rowan,

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00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: who says that the murders are quote still in the

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00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: back of our minds. You just have it in the

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00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: back of your head that you don't trust anybody end quote.

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Speaker 1: And that is a story of the Osage oil murders. Wow.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad the book was written about it because

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00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: you'd never heard of it before. Yes, And it's a

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Speaker 3: huge historical story.

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Speaker 1: And it's the kind of thing I think that when

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Speaker 1: white people hear about that, it's like, oh, yeah, bad

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00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: things happen, and we know that bad things happen, but

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00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: it's like, no, we should actually.

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Speaker 2: Talk about specific moment.

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Speaker 1: How it happened. Yeah, so it doesn't happen anymore. Then

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00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: the responsibility of people who are going to go in

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00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: there and say, we are the police, we are the sheriff,

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00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: we are the people who hold people accountable. And how

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00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: do you make it so that everyone's a bad actor

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00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: on that side of the fence.

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Speaker 3: There's no hope.

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Speaker 1: Wow, got a change. Good job, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That was an epic story.

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Speaker 1: It was a big one. Mary mclatchan. When the great

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Speaker 1: researchers of our time, all right, well, great job, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. That's a solo episode.

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Speaker 3: That's how it's done.

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Speaker 1: Feels like a tripler.

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Speaker 2: We hope your sister enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: We hope your mother takes you up on this and

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Speaker 1: comes back right right.

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Speaker 3: We hope your road trip's going well.

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Speaker 1: We promise we won't swear as much next time. It's right,

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Speaker 1: and stay.

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Speaker 3: Sexy, don't get murdered.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, Elvis.

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Speaker 3: Do you want a cookie?

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 3: Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Aristotle Oscevedo.

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Speaker 3: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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