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Speaker 5: I've never lied to you, I've never live.

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Speaker 2: don't welcome to trust Me. The podcast about cult, extreme

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Speaker 2: belief and manipulation from two Gardeners who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 6: I'm Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Today our guest is Annie Taylor, executive producer of Discoveries

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Speaker 2: The Garden Commune or Cult. Annie spent time with a

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Speaker 2: controversial off the Good Community that went viral on TikTok

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Speaker 6: Fascinating show.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating interview, Annie discusses how the crew just showed up

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Speaker 5: Brilliant.

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Speaker 1: She'll tell us what it was like filming on the

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Speaker 1: group's new property with a fascinating cast of characters as

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Speaker 1: they build a community outside dumpster diving as their primary

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Speaker 1: discuss their attempt at being leaderless and how that goes

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Speaker 2: Oh, before we get into it with Annie Taylor and

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Speaker 2: The story of what the crew itself experienced is itself

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's so fascinating. Before we get into

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Speaker 1: Mean, I think my cultiest thing this week is just

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Speaker 1: reminded me about how important community is and healthy community

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Speaker 6: I like what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 2: There's an article from this like Concerned Medical.

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Speaker 7: Oh, and so here's the kicker.

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Speaker 2: He's charging eighteen thousand dollars. Oh my god for a

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Speaker 2: Anyway, turns out one of their former patients went blind.

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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, this guy has not been a

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Speaker 2: So anyway, what I'm saying is be wary of anyone

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Speaker 2: And also, like, if you're going to go to clinical

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Also, if you've navigated this world before, and

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so sorry you guys are dealing with this.

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Speaker 1: Let's Annie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Annie Taylor to trust me. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: I was obsessed watching this show, Like I feel like,

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us how you first learned about the

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Speaker 8: She had also great hair, she's great hair. Yeah, and

445
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 8: so it's like, how do you work? Can you help me?

446
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I was distracted by it.

447
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 7: I was like, you're not showering.

448
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 5: How he was doing this is the color of your hair.

449
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 8: So Julia was someone that initially bonded with.

450
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 3: And then Tree is very like he is who He's

451
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 3: like wild and fun and not afraid and to go

452
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: up to strangers and have you know, uncomfortable conversations or whatnot.

453
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 3: So he also was knocking on our door early on

454
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 3: and was like, hey, do you guys want to do this?

455
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 8: Like you should come.

456
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 7: And Tree is the fiery redhead. He's Irish.

457
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 8: He's Irish.

458
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: He is Irish, but he also grew up in the

459
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 3: in the UK, like, so he's like he's both. Like

460
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 3: he says, his accent is all messed up because of it.

461
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: I don't I feel he sounds just British, but okay,

462
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 2: that makes sense, right right.

463
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: So so Tree and Julia would definitely were people early

464
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: on that that I made a connection with. And then

465
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: Patrick Patrick Is he's the original founder of the Garden,

466
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 3: you know, twelve years ago, and he's kind of this

467
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 3: like strong, silent, stoic type. So he was someone I

468
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 3: was initially intimidated by because he does he's a.

469
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 8: Man a few words. He also has been absolutely at

470
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 8: the core of like is.

471
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: He the leader? Is he the cult leader? So when

472
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: I first show up, I'm like, oh my god, that's

473
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 3: the cult leader. But you know, he's just a matter

474
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: of making my own judgment or also just breaking down

475
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: those barriers too. And I found him to be someone

476
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: too that he's so incredibly thoughtful and to connect to

477
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 3: rainbow he is he was literally born in a rainbow community,

478
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: like he's he is so authentically this lifestyle because he's

479
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 3: only ever lived it.

480
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 8: So what.

481
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 7: Is a rainbow community and a rainbow gathering?

482
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: So the Rainbow movement just was born and out of

483
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 3: like the hippie culture back in the day, and it

484
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 3: was a gathering of pacifists and eventually it just became

485
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: like and I want to say like in the sixties,

486
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: I mean probably sixty seventies and eighties, it became like

487
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 3: a protest group and also with a with a eye

488
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: towards sustainability. So these people just started having these gatherings

489
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: throughout the United States and Colorado and what not to

490
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: promote their cause, which oftentimes was either some sort of

491
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: political like agenda and or sustainability and earth friendliness. So

492
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: that said, like any sort of radical hippie group, they

493
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 3: definitely had a more radical bend to them too. So

494
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 3: there's parts of the group that were on the FBI

495
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 3: watch lists or parts of the group that were more militant.

496
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: So parts of the Rainbow Collector that were more militant,

497
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: that were more prone to violent acts, which then landed

498
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: the entire community on the FBI watch list.

499
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 8: So you know, it has a storied.

500
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: History where they're if you were pro Rainbow, you'll say, no,

501
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: we're a bunch of pacifists.

502
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 8: If you are skeptical.

503
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: There's a number of different things you can point to

504
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 3: to be like, they were violent in the past, but

505
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: it became this just like reading ground sounds bad too,

506
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: place of people that were like anarchy definitely was like

507
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: abound there too, So that doesn't help their cause as

508
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 3: far as making the government not skeptical of you. But

509
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: Patrick will say at the time that he was born

510
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: into it, it was a lot of earth friendly people

511
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 3: that were just there to promote a different lifestyle. It

512
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: has obviously evolved and now it's a relatively big party

513
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: scene too, so there's that. So in addition to having

514
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: a bit of a storied past with some various like

515
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: violent acts that have been on record, now it is

516
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 3: definitely more burning Man adjacent or there's certain help those

517
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: gatherings that are burning Man adjacent. So then it has

518
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: that rep of being like it's just a party scene.

519
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 3: It's just a place to go do drugs and you know,

520
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: fuck off.

521
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 8: For a bit, but I know, I'm like it right, So.

522
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: That is my like top line insight into Rainbow. Harden

523
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: is born of rainbow, and Rainbow is also international. So

524
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: when I say it's you know that I'm talking about

525
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: the national history, but it is an international thing. And

526
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: and so that's where Julian Tree met. They met at

527
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: a Rainbow collective in Sweden, and and then they fell

528
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: in love and got married.

529
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's.

530
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: An interesting I mean, it's it's incredibly fascinating because it

531
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: taps into just like our national history and again and

532
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: are deep seated as a society paranoia and casting out

533
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: of like anything countercultural. So it makes sense to me

534
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: why they were accused of, you know, why they were

535
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: added to.

536
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 8: The FBI watch list.

537
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: But you know, I think it's up to it's it's

538
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: sort of like an the eye of the beholder, Like

539
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: what do you believe? Do you think that they were

540
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: just labeled that because they were hippies that were willing

541
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: to live a different way or were they actually a violent,

542
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: you know, anarchist group.

543
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 8: I don't know.

544
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: There are so many groups from that era that I

545
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: feel like you could make a case on both sides

546
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: for they kind of did go hand in hand, and

547
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: it was like people had such individual different experiences, so

548
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: that I mean, maybe we should do an episode just

549
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: on that later on the history of that. So you

550
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: finally you get in with this group, you spend this

551
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: festival with them, and then they.

552
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 8: Are it was Midsummer adjacent for sure.

553
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: Yes, honestly it read to me like the show alone,

554
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: which I'm obsessed with, but just with the most or

555
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: full cast of characters you can possibly imagine instead of

556
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: one individual.

557
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 8: Ye.

558
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: But so they then start this new location, so explain

559
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: to us how that happened.

560
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So essentially after this ten day we were able

561
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: to break down again their paranoia and the barriers and

562
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: start a dialogue. So it wasn't like okay, we're ready

563
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: sign on the dotted line, but it was like, okay,

564
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 3: we can continue to court you and develop a TV

565
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 3: show together. You know, because so much of what we do,

566
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: or what I do, I think of my work as

567
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: a partnership with the people that I have on camera.

568
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: Like I might be the expert in television, but your

569
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 3: words are better than mine. I'm never the type to

570
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 3: be like to force feed anything. I want to just

571
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: make your story Shine for television. So at this point

572
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: it was like, what do you guys want to do

573
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: and what can we can we do together? And they

574
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: decided that they did not want to put the Tennessee

575
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: property of the Garden on camera because it has been

576
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 3: so entrenched in this network of off grid communities for

577
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 3: so long and it's their their hallmark quality is that

578
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: it's an open door community. So they were like, we

579
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: have people coming here from all over the world at

580
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: any time, and we don't want them to walk into

581
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: a you know, into a situation where they could be filmed, because,

582
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: as we said, these people are anarchists, they're you know,

583
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: sometimes not in the best graces with the law, or

584
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: maybe they're recovering alcoholics and they're just trying to like

585
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: help themselves, or they're runaways, or they're coming out of

586
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: like a domestic violence situation. So there's a lot of

587
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: reasons why it became untenable to film at the Tennessee property.

588
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 3: But they have a network of communities and so they

589
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: were in the process currently of developing a property in Missouri.

590
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: They had they also have a Florida location, and they

591
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: wanted Missouri because it connects up to the Northern other there.

592
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 8: You know, there's a there's hundreds and thousands of these Yeah.

593
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: Actually I would say thousands of these of these off

594
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: grade communities that are not just under the Garden umbrella,

595
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: but they all work together. So there's this whole like

596
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: northern network, and they wanted they wanted a location up

597
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: there to connect into those communities.

598
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, they said something there about like it connects into

599
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 5: our north or like South Dakota network, And I was like,

600
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 5: what does that mean?

601
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 7: Fuck?

602
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: Are they?

603
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: Is there like a Facebook group where like how are

604
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: they connected?

605
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 8: I know, I know.

606
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: This is what's also crazy about this is this is

607
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: like these people are right under our noses, truly, like

608
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: they It's like if you were to drive by this

609
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: community nine times out of ten, you wouldn't even think

610
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: Twice you wouldn't even see them. But then it's like, wait,

611
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: that's a tent in the woods, like what are they?

612
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: And there it's like a it's a group of people.

613
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: So these places exist all over the place, you just

614
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: don't notice them. And and it has turned me on

615
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: to being able to see it or like or you know,

616
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: seeing someone dumpster diving, you you immediately think of them

617
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: in a stereotype of like, oh, this's a homeless person.

618
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: They're upno snow good or whatever, when they could actually

619
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: be a member of this community searching for food to

620
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: feed thirty people. So it's made me fliped things on

621
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: its head for me too, But yeah, they have a

622
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: whole network.

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Speaker 3: To clarify one thing about off grid, because that was

633
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: something that threw me too.

634
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 8: They are off grade meeting.

635
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: They are off the electoral grid and the grid, so

636
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: they they know running water, no nothing. They also don't

637
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: have any like they don't plug into any like wall outlets.

638
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: They do all have phones and they do it through

639
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: solar power. Because they obviously have a huge social media

640
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: presence and a big recruiting tool that they use is

641
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: TikTok is Instagram, is Facebook. So these groups do connect

642
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 3: through social media, but so they're on the grid in

643
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: that sense.

644
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 8: But yeah, there are definitely Facebook. It's weird.

645
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm like part of like amish Facebook too,

646
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: I'm like tapped into.

647
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 8: Weirdess Facebook.

648
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 7: Oh, I bet you have so many stories.

649
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, I know.

650
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 7: So.

651
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: In terms of leadership, so they're starting this new community.

652
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: Patrick the founder is there as well as Tree, who

653
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: has a very leadery quality about him, at least on

654
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: camera and on social media.

655
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: So fun.

656
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 7: He's really I mean, he seems just wild, like wild is.

657
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 3: It's true, Yeah, he is that, and that's the thing

658
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: about him, Like he and I pride myself on showing

659
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: people authentically, you know, like better or worse. I really

660
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: try to shed a light on who you are to

661
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: your core. And Tree's best qualities were also his achilles

662
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: heel while he was there, Like he is just unfiltered.

663
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 8: And a little like egomaniacal.

664
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: But I think he would say that too, like he

665
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: like he's a he's a theater guy, like he wants,

666
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: he wants to be on camera, he wants to get

667
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: the word out. And like anything, if you're willing to

668
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: be that person to like expose yourself and to be

669
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: the face of anything, like you're gonna get dragged or

670
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: you're going to put your foot in your mouth eventually.

671
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: So his again, like best qualities end up being some

672
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: things that bit him in the ass throughout the course

673
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: of filming.

674
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: What was your impression of the leadership situation? And there's

675
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: like ostensibly not supposed to be any hierarchy, but then

676
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: it's a group of humans, so naturally some wal form.

677
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 7: Can you talk about that a little bit.

678
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: I was impressed by the commitment to the the unanimous consent,

679
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: Like the commitment to the leaderless society really really impressed me.

680
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: And it comes with a ton of work because naturally,

681
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: if you are more skilled at something, people are going

682
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: to look to you to give your input, to guide you,

683
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: to lead you. Leading is like such an ugly word,

684
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: and it's so funny because like I remember being a

685
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: kid and it would be the best thing of like

686
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: be a leader, not a follower, you know, Like it's

687
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 3: such a it's so encouraged out in the real world

688
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: or whatever out in.

689
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 8: Babylon as they call it.

690
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: But there they really really tried to make a dis like.

691
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 3: To give you an example, Patrick is the best builder.

692
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: He just he knows how to build. He's done, he's

693
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: lived in this way of life forever. He will make

694
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: a conscious effort to not project manage like he will.

695
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: He will make himself a laborer to not just like

696
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: have that natural sort of leader image form.

697
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 8: So that was my insight.

698
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: I mean, whether or not I think there are leaders

699
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: is like my personal opinion doesn't really matter here.

700
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 8: You know, it's not my job.

701
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: To to tell you if I do or do not

702
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: think there are I can say that I think they're

703
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: compelling arguments on either side, and if leadership formed, it's

704
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: you know, I think the garden will say that's not

705
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: with intent, But I think outsiders might say, no, that

706
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: is with intent. There's a reason why they have a hierarchy.

707
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: It's to consolidate power and have free labor by the

708
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: people underneath you. And that would be the counter argument.

709
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: But the people within would say, no, we are all

710
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: one people. And if you think of me as a leader,

711
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: that's not because I'm claiming myself to be the leader,

712
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, that sort of thing.

713
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: It's interesting watching the consensus. What is it called the

714
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: gathering that they do is that was council council counsel.

715
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: For every decision that gets made, including about who's allowed

716
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: to stay past the ten day trial period, everyone gathers

717
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: and they have to all agree, and one person can

718
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: shut it down.

719
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 7: You know. We saw Narah was that her name?

720
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this woman Narah for listeners who haven't watched

721
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: the show yet, who's this like very new agey, spiritual

722
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: kind of gal, and she's like not vibing with the group.

723
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: There's some very serious conflict that goes on, and there's

724
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: a disagreement about whether she should be kicked out or not,

725
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: and we see Tree kind of speak up pretty fervently

726
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: as well as another woman. Was there any other instance

727
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: where everyone pretty much agreed?

728
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 7: Oh?

729
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: Actually, I feel like I watched one Tyler, who's this

730
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: new guy who comes in who's this very like masculine

731
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: prepper type who wants to teach people how to hunt,

732
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: and everyone's kind of on board with that, and it

733
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: seemed like one person said, I don't want to hunt.

734
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: I'm not for killing animals. Or whatever, and so they

735
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: shut it down. How often would that happen where one

736
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: person would just say something and then it would be like, Okay, no,

737
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: we're not doing that.

738
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 8: A lot And like.

739
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: For the nature of the show, we can't show how

740
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: long these councils are.

741
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 8: They're like four hours.

742
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: So like in the council, we're also sort of part

743
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 3: of the council. Like again, as as part of being

744
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: a documentarian and my job, I really tried not to

745
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: weigh into heavily because they would defer to us too

746
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: or they'd try to solicit our input. But I'd be like,

747
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to dictate what they're going to do.

748
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: Like if they decide today that they don't think it's

749
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: important to get water, and then two days from now

750
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: they're all like thirsty that you know, that's something that.

751
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 8: I'd be interested to follow.

752
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: So I don't want to be like, you guys should

753
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: really think about getting water because it's going to get

754
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: hot and two days you know.

755
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 8: So like that.

756
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: But we were sitting in those things for hours and

757
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: hours and hours, and a lot of times it would

758
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: be hey, I want to do this, and one person

759
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: would say I don't feel comfortable and they would eventually

760
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: they another way they would go about resolving things. They

761
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: would create subcommittees, so it'd be like, Okay, let's break

762
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: and you can take that thing up with the environmental

763
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: committee and if you guys can come back with a

764
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: better proposal, we'll consider it the next time around. Like

765
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: the storm shelter that was also part of one of

766
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: those initial councils, was something that continued to be brought

767
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: up and was blocked at various times.

768
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 8: Because of how are we going to do it?

769
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: That it was talked about, but it's I don't want

770
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: to bring machinery onto the land if we can't, you know,

771
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: It's it's that constant tension of they would call it

772
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: being sustainable while also being productive, so they would want

773
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: to use the resources of society if it meant Okay,

774
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 3: we can get things done faster and accomplish it better,

775
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: but if there's a more sustainable way, they would always

776
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: try to encourage that. So building a storm shelter was

777
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: something that got blocked a few times until as of

778
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: the most recent episode, you'll see that a tornado touchdown

779
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: like seven miles away from where we were, and it

780
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 3: became like, you know, this is where me as producer,

781
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: weigh and I'm like, we really got to figure this.

782
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 8: Out because we're all and like, I'm not going to trapped.

783
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: So the block, the reason why I was blocked was

784
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: we don't want to bring in outside machinery. And then,

785
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: but slowly, then the group conscious has changed. When we

786
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: actually were confronted with a tornado, then it was okay,

787
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: we actually need this, Maybe we allocate some of our funding,

788
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: and everyone's gonna then ask how do they get funding?

789
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 8: They get funding because they take donations.

790
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: They also do a lot of like going out into

791
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: the world and playing music.

792
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 8: They're a highly musical group, like playing busking is what

793
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 8: it's called.

794
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: They'll play music and get money given to them, or

795
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: they'll do like farm stands and sell produce and all

796
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. So that's how they create this

797
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: like little pot of funds. But I mean mainly it's

798
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: donation based, and so they decided to allocate like a

799
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: certain amount of money to actually invest in creating a

800
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: storm shelter. Eventually, after several times of being blocked by

801
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: one person just saying I don't like the idea of

802
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: having like it's called like a bobcat like a little

803
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 3: sort of digging.

804
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 8: Machine on the land. Yeah, And that's the problem.

805
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 9: With those consensus things is everybody's like, well, I don't

806
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 9: like the idea of flowing up into the air in

807
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 9: a tornado and flying away like by Cal and the

808
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 9: Wizard of Oz.

809
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: When it comes to safety considerations, where there some people

810
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: might actually know more about yeah safe.

811
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 8: And I really.

812
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 5: Guys captured such an exciting show. I mean, you got

813
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 5: a tornado after this entire you know, yeah, I know.

814
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: The timing was wild, like it's one of those things.

815
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: An interview that didn't make it in the show was

816
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: the tepee that we had worked on for so long

817
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: got blown over in one of the storms. And I

818
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: remember talking to Julie afterwards and she was just like,

819
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: I don't know why so many things have gotten so

820
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: fucked up.

821
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 8: This whole month. And it's true.

822
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: It's like whether or not it's it was weather related

823
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: or just like growing pains of starting a new community,

824
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: or the pressure that comes with just having cameras around

825
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: at all times, because like, you know, I'm not going

826
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: to pretend that that's not a factor like that definitely,

827
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: even though we're hands off, like it's very having a

828
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: camera is almost like having a mirror.

829
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 8: It eventually will reveal yourself.

830
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: And it was pretty nuts, even from an outsider or

831
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: from my perspective. I was like, we really did kind

832
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: of step into this weird vortex of a month and

833
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: a half where just like crazy shit kept happening over

834
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: and over and over again.

835
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: Dude, the drama is transfixing, Like this is a great show.

836
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Before we were recording, I was saying to Megan that

837
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: the fact that the tornado happened after Tyler was like,

838
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: we really should probably have a storm shelter, and they

839
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: were like nah.

840
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 7: And then suddenly it's like, oh.

841
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: Shit, now Tyler, like maybe is someone who's going to

842
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: try to have more of a voice, and maybe that's

843
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: it is like screenwriting, and it is like the perfect Yeah.

844
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 5: There's a little Lord of the Flies aspect of it. Yeah, yeah,

845
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 5: there is no power who's holding the conch shell. But

846
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 5: like some people just have better ideas.

847
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then some people want to assert those ideas

848
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: more strongly than other people. It's a fascinating like social experiment,

849
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: regardless what you think of the group. It is just

850
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: like watching humans come together who are completely different and

851
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: whose backgrounds like, yes, they all want to be off grid,

852
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: and they all want to be preppers in some way,

853
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: but they're all so different, so.

854
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: Different, I know exactly, and that's what's that's that is

855
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 3: the tension of the show.

856
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 8: It's like these people, especially the people.

857
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: That came in to the group, they all were seeking

858
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: this way of life for various reasons. I mean, like

859
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: Tyler is a prepper, so he calls it his wet dream.

860
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: He's like, this is like a preppers wet dream in

861
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: that I get to prepare for the end of the

862
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: world before the end of the world happens. So hell, yes,

863
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: this is a great opportunity to Sheila also is firmly

864
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: in belief that like AI is going to take over

865
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: the world. Jessica are wonderful twenty five year old valley girl.

866
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: Shes like I haven't done anything that's off my phone,

867
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: Like my relationship to technology is so unhealthy. And also

868
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: she's like a Manson girl, like in a different life.

869
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: She she's she was fascinated by cults. She got kind

870
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: of swept up in this in the whole cult allegations

871
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: on TikTok and wanted to see for herself and then

872
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: Tyler Covington ak Oak. It was more of a personal journey.

873
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: You know, he gained some weight and he wanted to

874
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: get back to being able to provide for his family

875
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: and also believe.

876
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 8: That society is on the decline.

877
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: And I think that's that is a the more I

878
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: was spending with them, and the more I talk about

879
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: the show to other people, I think that is a

880
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: sentiment that's shared by a lot of people that society

881
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: is not great right now or like not serving us

882
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: in the long run, and for various things. There's a

883
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: lot of scary things that it's like whether it's climate crisis,

884
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: whether it's banks failing or AI taking over. You know,

885
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: people are are definitely skeptical that like within our lifetime,

886
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 3: some shit might hit the fan. And and I think

887
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: that was another interesting part of the show, separate than

888
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: what initially got And it is like the cold allegations.

889
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: Now it's oh, there's actually a bigger story, which is

890
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: this like overall sentiment of society collapsing around story, right, Yeah.

891
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 5: So interesting the different like ways people respond to that.

892
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, I want a Cyanide pill in case.

893
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 8: I don't want to gold kool aid. Yeah, no, exactly.

894
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 5: I don't want to like live on the farm.

895
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I do. No, I want to but

896
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: on a cabin. I want shelter. I don't want to

897
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: live the alone life, like like.

898
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: It's either it's either like Cyanide for me or or

899
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 5: that like I'm not doing Apocalypse, it's not.

900
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 7: Oh my god. I mean I grew up on a farm,

901
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 7: so yeah.

902
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 8: That's hard. You should go. You should swing through Missouri,

903
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 8: if you know, just test it out. I used to

904
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 8: work in Missouri.

905
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: Every summer at the Oars.

906
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 7: Oh my god.

907
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 8: No.

908
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: As I was watching, I was like, I I relate

909
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: zero to these people. But like I can see that

910
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: a lot of them are really are good people, but

911
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: I just relate zero.

912
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 7: Like I don't know what I would I would.

913
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 8: Talk about with them.

914
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 5: I think I would have I think you.

915
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 7: Would relate way more than I.

916
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, there's a lot of vibe talk, like you know,

917
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: like I was named vibe, someone named Vibe soul shy,

918
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: you know, like definitely re created this whole new like

919
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 3: lexicon for myself.

920
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 8: And I'd be like, you just want to flow into this,

921
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 8: you know, the cameras will flow right in, Like what's

922
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 8: your live check, and I came back to New York

923
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 8: being like what am I saying? Like, were you given

924
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 8: a name? I was not given a name. No, I

925
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 8: was not given a name.

926
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: But other people, like the Jessica, for instance, was given

927
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: the name Juniper like they you know, Tyler was given oak.

928
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 8: But I was not so lucky to be given a name. No.

929
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: Like it seemed like most people had names that were

930
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: not their birth names.

931
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 7: Is that a part of it?

932
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 8: Definitely, yeah, it's it was, And it was explained to

933
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 8: me just.

934
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: That like stepping into this new way of life is

935
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: a rebirth, and so it's like reclaiming your sense of

936
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: who you are. And so yeah, it was garden names,

937
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: it's rainbow names. It's like all based off of earth

938
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: and vibes and energy. Like this one girl, jag her

939
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: name is Jaggalaura and she was like I just came

940
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: up with that name, like so and but she was like,

941
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 3: but that energy spoke to me, the energy like a

942
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: jaguar spoke to me.

943
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 8: So you know, there's like various.

944
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: Ways that people stepped into it, but it was definitely

945
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: about like rebirth. Now that they were separate of society.

946
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: There are these elements that are like that is cult

947
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: like when you're supposed to like sort of leave behind

948
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: your identity and form this new one that's a part

949
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: of the group. But yeah, I mean it's all people

950
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: can watch for themselves and kind of draw their own conclusions.

951
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: Two questions I don't want to forget. One is can

952
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 2: you just sort of explain how people eat, what the

953
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: like day to day life is like, and why the

954
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: cat thing is maybe a little bit more but not

955
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 2: as egregious as people might have thought initially.

956
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so the way that these people predominantly get their

957
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: food is through dumpster diving. I would say seventy percent

958
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 3: of their diet is scavenging the dumpster and eating whatever

959
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: they can make. And you know, obviously that's shocking to

960
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: any one of us to just be like, Okay, that's

961
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: disgusting that you're getting your food from dumster and it's

962
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: not just like it's like meats and produce, and it's like, okay,

963
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: this isn't just like packaged goods, right.

964
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 8: But you know, they make.

965
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 3: A really compelling point about the amount of food waste

966
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: in America and that just like oftentimes these bell peppers

967
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: just have like a mark on them, and so they're

968
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 3: cast out and so and then they go through a

969
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 3: rigorous cleaning process with vinegar and viegratable soaps and things

970
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: like that to get the food in a good place

971
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: before they eat it. So I did eat a lot

972
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 3: of dumpster food while I was there, and getting over

973
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: the mental hurdle is very tough, but you know, it's

974
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: all heavily cooked down, so it wasn't too bad. The

975
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: other thirty percent is roadkill. You know, maybe not that's

976
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: like a strong thirty percent, but roadkill in that they

977
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: would they would go look for fresh roadkill and break

978
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: it down that way, and then if you were allowed

979
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: to hunt, hunting is also part of that.

980
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 8: I would say, a decent amount, and then.

981
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: They would grow. They would raise like livestock. Some communities

982
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: will raise livestock chickens and roosters and things to butcher

983
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 3: and meat as well. So that is pretty much how

984
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: they went about feeding community. And then donations so then

985
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: they that's a big thing. If you were to go

986
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: to any one of these communities and you bring a

987
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,479
Speaker 3: bag of potatoes, will love you.

988
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 8: So that's that's part of it too.

989
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: But the cat thing to circle it back to the

990
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: cat thing. Given the fact that they are this sustainable

991
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: community and that like all food is protein is protein,

992
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: this cat was a fairal wild cat, not like a pet.

993
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: It was a cat that was killing their chicken, so

994
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: killing their food supply. So they in turn killed the

995
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: cat because it was a predator to their food supply,

996
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: and instead of wasting it, they decided to make cats stew.

997
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: And so all of this is pretty disgusting but can

998
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: be justified in that way. And that is why there's

999
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 3: a little bit more nuanced than like, oh, they're killing

1000
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: cats and eating it. You know that on its face

1001
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: sounds crazy, but when you actually dig into it a

1002
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 3: little bit more, it really fits with their ethos. And again,

1003
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: it was this animal that was also attacking their chickens,

1004
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: so it's a little bit more understandable.

1005
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: My mom is she has a bunch of animals, and

1006
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: I grew up on a farm, and you know, my

1007
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: family has frequently lived in rural areas. When an animal

1008
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: is killing your animals, it is really really normal and

1009
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: common too. Even though I think it's really sad and

1010
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: would never want to do it, that's like super normal

1011
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: in rural areas to like kill the animal that's killing

1012
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: your animals. I just think that's important to make because

1013
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: there was so much panic about that specifically, and like

1014
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: you might still disagree with it, but there is like

1015
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: a reason for it.

1016
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.

1017
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: And I also think like the reason why that this

1018
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: shit is so like hot button is because like a

1019
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: lot of it's like very coastal in that way, like

1020
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: as you were just saying, so this is gen z TikTok,

1021
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's definitely more geared towards people in

1022
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: New York and LA being like, are you seeing this?

1023
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 8: This is crazy?

1024
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: But if you were to get out in the middle

1025
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: of America, they'd be like yeah, Like as you were saying,

1026
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 3: rural communities do this all the time, Like this is

1027
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 3: like a decision that you're confronted with often, right.

1028
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 12: I think the issue becomes of and then we put

1029
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 12: it on TikTok because then you're kind of like not

1030
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 12: of the right mind of what people might think as

1031
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 12: a cult or not. And I think that's when it

1032
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 12: gets a little confusing of like your behavior is something

1033
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 12: that a lot of people aren't going to understand, right,

1034
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 12: maybe just keep it on the just like yeah, keep.

1035
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 7: It on the farm.

1036
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, for sure they need like they need

1037
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: like a marketing manager, you know, they need.

1038
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: Like not everyone is gonna think this is cool.

1039
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 7: You got right right side.

1040
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: Note I was watching with Jack, my boyfriend who works

1041
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: in food recovery. Literally his job is with a food

1042
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: recovery organization that takes food that was going to go

1043
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: to waste from grocery stores and restaurants and brings it

1044
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: to shelters because their whole mission is like apparently a

1045
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: significant contributor to climate change is all of the food

1046
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: that goes to waste in the ground. And then also

1047
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: so many people go hungry while there's all this food

1048
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: that's still perfectly good, but it just like technically had

1049
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: his expiration date, but it's still good for like another

1050
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 2: fucking week or two.

1051
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 5: Especially like movie sets and yeah events.

1052
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: Well, now La or potentially California in general, I can't

1053
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: remember which one. There is now a law that places

1054
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: can't waste food, so now you know they cannot put

1055
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: good food into the dumpsters. So that's a good thing

1056
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: for us California folks. But anyway, so in terms of that,

1057
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: like I agree with that general lifetile like we should

1058
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: not be wasting food. We should be making use of

1059
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: all of our resources and not contributing to climate change.

1060
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 7: Would I want to eat roadkill? Probably not, But.

1061
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 3: Then they would ask of you, They would say, then

1062
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: why not next time you go to the grocery store,

1063
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: consider going to the dumpster first, you know, like they

1064
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: are that much more radical about it. So like I agree,

1065
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: I agree with it too, but it's like that's a

1066
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 3: step to take to Yeah, yeah, have your first stop

1067
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: be the dumpster, and then whatever you can't get go

1068
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 3: inside and buy it.

1069
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 2: You know, how frequently did you find people talking about

1070
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: the end of the world.

1071
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 7: Did it have kind of a doomsday vibe.

1072
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 8: All the time? Like this is their favorite typic of conversation.

1073
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: We would talk about the end of the world all

1074
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 3: the time, and it is fascinating for someone that is

1075
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: like a documentarian to go down these like rabbit hole

1076
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: discussions because so many people had such varying opinions about it.

1077
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 3: Like I mean, even I don't know how much of

1078
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 3: it made it into the final episode, but there's a

1079
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: moment where Tyler and Patrick were fixing the road that

1080
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: leads up into the community and they were talking about

1081
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 3: you know, there was different visions of the land that

1082
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: were that emerged while we were out there, like what

1083
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 3: is the purpose of this land? You know, Tree wanted

1084
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: to do it for young people and try to seduce

1085
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 3: the youth into changing their way of life, like Patrick

1086
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: is like, this is to for families and there's a

1087
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: lot of work to be done and all that.

1088
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 8: Sort of thing. So there was a real split.

1089
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 3: But within that moment, Patrick and Tyler they both talked

1090
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 3: about at length how the world's going to end, and

1091
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, you can't help yourself if you're standing mind

1092
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: the hammer to be like well yeah, but like I

1093
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: kind of agree, you know, you like want to jump

1094
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 3: in and chat about it, but that doom and gloom

1095
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: is definitely part of this community.

1096
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 8: But they with an asterisk of hope.

1097
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: They believe society is going to collapse, but they want

1098
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: to say there is a way when it does collapse,

1099
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: join us in the woods. So they're essentially preparing for

1100
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 3: that to happen, and to varying levels, like some people

1101
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: have differing opinions on it, Like Tree does not.

1102
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 8: Want the world to end.

1103
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: He wants to get enough people to live this way

1104
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: of life now so that society can almost heal itself.

1105
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 5: So it's ye, like he's preparing for society not to end.

1106
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 8: Whereas Patrick thinks the world will end.

1107
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, yeah, So why does he bother Patrick.

1108
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 8: Because he's saying, like, when it does, we are here for.

1109
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 5: Is there a religious tent to Patrick?

1110
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: No, And you know, with most of these people are

1111
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: pretty like agnostic or atheist. If there is event, it's

1112
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: like towards it's towards the universe, it's towards Earth, it's

1113
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: towards you know. But it's not traditional religion in that

1114
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: way Patrick specifically, I actually couldn't answer that, but he didn't.

1115
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 8: I mean, he didn't lead with it ever.

1116
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't want to say he's not

1117
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: religious and he come out and say no, I actually am.

1118
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: I just don't really talk about it, you know. So,

1119
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 3: but no, that was never something that was part of

1120
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: his like core tenants. But it does feel that way.

1121
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 3: The Babylon the Book of Revelations vibe as definitely at play.

1122
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: And the suspicion that everyone had of the outside world,

1123
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: Like did you have a sense that most of it

1124
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: kind of came from the TikTok paranoia or do you

1125
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: feel like it kind of just existed already and was

1126
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: exacerbated by that.

1127
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: I think it existed already and was exacerbated. So you

1128
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: know again because a lot of these people are anarchists.

1129
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: So with being anarchists, you're already suspicious that the government

1130
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: doesn't have your best interest at heart, So you're suspicious

1131
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: of outsiders coming in and asking questions, right, So that

1132
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: is already just like the baseline of these people. Then

1133
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: when they were like, Okay, how do we get to

1134
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: the world, They found a lot of success initially in

1135
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: TikTok and like getting more people to show up, and

1136
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 3: they're like, great, we're recruiting all these new members and

1137
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: these people are curious about our way of life, and

1138
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 3: they thought it was just like awesome, until as social

1139
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 3: media does turned on them, then they of course became

1140
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: that much more paranoid.

1141
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 8: They were like, we almost.

1142
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: Reluctantly opened ourselves up to this found success, only to

1143
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: be accused even more of something that they believe they're not,

1144
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 3: which is a cult. So they just had very little

1145
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: trust for anybody at that point.

1146
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 8: It's not that they're like mean, it's.

1147
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: Just it's like there there is a wall and it's

1148
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: almost impenetrable, Like they trust each other and they'll huddle

1149
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 3: up and we'll talk, and then it's not like they're

1150
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: like overtly rude to you, but they just don't want

1151
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 3: to expose themselves too much to you. It was a

1152
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 3: lot to get them to like give their real feelings

1153
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: on certain things.

1154
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1155
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: One thing that I thought was super interesting to watch

1156
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: was like, while yes they are actively recruiting, there doesn't

1157
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: really seem to be and correct me if I'm wrong,

1158
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 2: but there doesn't really seem to be love bombing so

1159
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: much as like suspicion and almost like in high school clix. Yeah,

1160
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: it's clique and new people who come in have to

1161
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: sort of like fight their way into acceptance.

1162
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 7: Is that accurate?

1163
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 3: I would say it's CLICKI yeah, for sure, And I

1164
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 3: like Tree even admits it. Like Tree at some point

1165
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, like it's because like the reason why

1166
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 3: people like me is because I'm cool, Like if he

1167
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: likes Verbatim said that, and I was like, so high school, Yeah,

1168
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: they're just closer friends than other people, but these are

1169
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 3: the people that are more entrenched, so the outsiders automatically

1170
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: have like an uphill battle to climb in to try

1171
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: to like become friends with them or to try to

1172
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: even just get in their sort of good graces. And

1173
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: then you know, again a person that will say that

1174
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: there's a hierarchy would say, like, they do that intentionally.

1175
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 3: They keep the clicks closed off intentionally so that they

1176
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: consolidate power and that they can maintain order to serve them.

1177
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: And it could say out someone who's not as like

1178
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: loyal or devoted or dedicated.

1179
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: Or whatever exactly because they're skeptical, but they say, you know,

1180
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: it takes a long time to build trust and to

1181
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: know that you're not trying to uh that you're not

1182
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: part of the FBI, and that you're not this that

1183
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: the other.

1184
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 8: So that's why we remain closed off and clicky.

1185
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: And then but of course, like when when we trust you,

1186
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: you're in and everything is hunky dory at that point.

1187
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 8: So it's definitely that was also.

1188
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: A big part of the show the whole time was

1189
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: did they trust the outsiders and how hard it was

1190
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: to break into that inner circle, And like, I don't

1191
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: think it's out of bounds for me to say that

1192
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: there was an inner circle. Whether or not that's a

1193
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: hierarchy of leaders is like up to the audience. But

1194
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: for sure the people that had been living this way

1195
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 3: of life the longest were naturally closer and more closed off.

1196
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: Right, It is interesting watching a bunch of self proclaimed

1197
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: anarchists like still just follow the basic human pattern of behavior,

1198
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: which is that hierarchies emerge sort of naturally and you

1199
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: and then they do have to end up structuring they

1200
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: have a whole system of how everything works, Like you

1201
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: do have to develop a system where it's just totally okay.

1202
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: And when they kicked the girl out, people were like,

1203
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 4: we want to out the like more I would say,

1204
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: out their personalities, and then a few people were like, no,

1205
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: I want her to stay.

1206
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 5: And then within ten minutes they're convinced that you don't.

1207
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 2: Want to be the one hold Yeah, yeah, you don't

1208
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: want to be the only one dissenting exactly.

1209
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: It's a hard place to in it like this again,

1210
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 3: it goes back to this like high school, feeling like

1211
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: you don't want to be on the outside, and it's

1212
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: a it's hard for anyone to be that one dissenting voice,

1213
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: that one person that's like standing up for if you

1214
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: think it's the right thing or not.

1215
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 8: It's hard to it's like, that's a tough island to be.

1216
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: On, and like, so so much of what we came

1217
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: in to do was we were there to essentially like

1218
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: document them starting this off gard community.

1219
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 8: So it's like a build show.

1220
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, that's great, it's is this is

1221
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 3: it a cult or is it not? You know, digging

1222
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: into these allegations and then a lot of this like

1223
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: society ending and can these outsiders hack it?

1224
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 8: When we were there, though, it became.

1225
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: This weird like house reality without a home situation because

1226
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: human nature just like takes over, so it becomes like

1227
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: like some of the shit that would happen. I'm like,

1228
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 3: this is so petty, and it's almost like it's like

1229
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: Housewives adjacent.

1230
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 8: Sort of yes, yes, it was awesome.

1231
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: So I'm like it's like three legitimately stolen Aria's phone,

1232
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: so it's like what, like why is he stealing phones?

1233
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 8: Like what is happening?

1234
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: But like you'd think of that and like the Housewives,

1235
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 3: Oh they flip a table sort of thing, but like

1236
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: we're not producing towards this.

1237
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 8: It's just like a collection of people.

1238
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: And nevitally just becomes like these even if you're underneath

1239
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: the roof or not you start fighting over a little

1240
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: dumb stuff.

1241
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: By episode three, I texted Megan and I was like,

1242
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: I almost feel like I'm watching a Christopher Guest movie

1243
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: now because these characters are just so like you.

1244
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 7: It's hard to believe that they're real.

1245
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: And also I've been watching Bachelor in Paradise and the

1246
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: drama is like of equal.

1247
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 7: Level to that.

1248
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 2: But in terms of like Tree stolen Ariah's phone out

1249
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: of paranoia, you know, it was sort of alarming to

1250
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: watch this paranoia about Mariah kind of grow and you

1251
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: could see how that could evolve and grow into something

1252
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: like a little bit more sinister. You know, we left

1253
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: off on episode five, Does it get any darker?

1254
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 8: Five is a good? Five is five? There's a lot

1255
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 8: of darkness.

1256
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 3: I felt like by you know, because of that the community,

1257
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: what really became at play was the community's flitting right,

1258
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: and that was all of this stuff.

1259
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 8: And again it comes back to.

1260
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 3: Like my ethos, like I try to be as hands

1261
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 3: off as possible. Again, like sometimes as a producer it's like,

1262
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: just make sure that you tell us when things are

1263
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: happening so cameras can be there. But when you're just

1264
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: embedded in a community, for that long, like things just

1265
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: started happening and very very real. Was Tree thought that

1266
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 3: this Missouri property was going to be more like open

1267
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: and party centric and all this sort of stuff.

1268
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 8: Patrick did not.

1269
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 3: And so because they are kind of the two focal points,

1270
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: the rest of the community started to fall online and

1271
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: it was this like bigkering and they didn't want to

1272
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 3: seem like they weren't on the same page.

1273
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 8: So there was it was very hard to get that

1274
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 8: information out.

1275
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 3: But of course, you know, microphones are running and there's audio,

1276
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: and eventually it all comes to a head. I will

1277
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: say an episode six and this is foreshadowed and episode five,

1278
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: you know, Jessica reaches back out to Naraya, and so

1279
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: I would say that like while the middle episodes there's

1280
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: just a lot of we dig more into, you know,

1281
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: an outsider's perspective in the community.

1282
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 8: Can you hack it? What is the society going to collapse?

1283
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 8: Cult or not?

1284
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: Comes back around in full circle in episode six, So

1285
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: that is we we there's definitely a punctuation on whether

1286
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: or not this place actually is what it is and

1287
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 3: and to your point, is there even an even darker underbelly.

1288
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 8: That is at play?

1289
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's there's there's more to dig into and

1290
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: more to tease, and you know our hope.

1291
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 8: Of course, everything I.

1292
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 3: Do, too, is with the goal of doing multiple seasons

1293
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: of and digging in further. And this is one of

1294
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: those stories that I feel like we're only scratching the surface.

1295
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and how many episodes are there?

1296
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 7: Total?

1297
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 8: Six? So we're gearing up a lot.

1298
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 7: I can't wait. I'm so invested.

1299
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 5: I can also see that if something were to go wrong,

1300
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 5: it could get.

1301
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: Bad one hundred per I mean, especially when you have

1302
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: such strong differing opinions and people who are conflicting over

1303
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: wanting a leadership position, and then you have the exclusion

1304
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: of other people and you have these personalities, you have

1305
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: the identity change, and everyone's in such extreme circumstances and

1306
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: there is a really strong pressure to conform and not

1307
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 2: ruffle feathers.

1308
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 7: So yeah, there are a lot.

1309
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 6: Of elements here that could converge in a way.

1310
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 2: That's really unhealthy, and I guess that sort of remains to.

1311
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 8: Be seen, to be seen, Yeah, yeah, to be seen.

1312
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: I appreciated the Lord of the Flies reference earlier because

1313
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: there is that too, of like in the end, again,

1314
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 3: I think there's just a natural way that society organizes

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Speaker 3: around someone who has the strongest voice in the room.

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Speaker 8: So you know who in the end has the strongest voice.

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Speaker 2: Well okay, so where can people find the show and

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Speaker 2: tell us the name again?

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Speaker 8: The show is.

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Speaker 3: Called The Garden Commune or Cults, and it is currently

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01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: airing on Discovery Channel, but it will also drop on

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Speaker 3: Max at the end I believe the first week of December,

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01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: so all six episodes have to air on linear on

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01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: cable on Discovery Channel and then they will drop all

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01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: six episodes on Max, so you can binge it whenever

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01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 3: you want over Christmas. Perfect Christmas thing to watch. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: Discover it's currently on Discovery Channel.

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Speaker 8: Perfect.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see how I guess this season

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Speaker 2: ends at least, And thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: on today.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much, you guys.

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Speaker 3: This was so fun to talk and you guys are

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Speaker 3: great and glad that we've made you know fans out

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Speaker 3: of you. So definitely stay tuned for episode six and

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Speaker 3: let me know, let me know what you think.

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Speaker 1: And that concludes our interview with it interesting.

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Speaker 2: So, Megan, I think you kind of answered this in

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Speaker 2: the interview, but do you think that you would join

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: the garden.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 6: I love yeah, I do.

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01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: I just don't like camping. If it had electricity and

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01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: a house, yeah, for sure.

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: In their original on their original property, not the one

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01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: in the show, but the one that went viral on TikTok,

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Speaker 2: did they have indoor areas?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 6: I guess I remember.

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01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 2: Seeing like huts, but not necessarily like a going to

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Speaker 2: do it for me, No, I would if there were cabins, yeah, happy,

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01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: but also not really.

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Speaker 11: I can't.

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 6: No, there's no there's no.

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Speaker 2: Way if I if it were cabins but a bunch

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: of people who really liked to shower and not talk

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01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: about the end of the world, yeah, then you would

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Speaker 2: join it.

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01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool.

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 6: It might be you might.

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: Be something that someone, not something someone that Tree should meet,

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: because it seems like he's wanting to do more of

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01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: like not talk about the end of the world to

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Speaker 1: prevent the.

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Speaker 2: End of the world, but he wants to do burning Man,

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01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: and that's not my vibe either.

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01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 6: That's true. I don't know if Tree are gonna buy.

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01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like him fine.

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: He is very distinctive looking, though, like I feel like

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: that man. It makes sense to me that that dude

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Speaker 2: went viral. Yes, so like over the top and extravagant

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01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: and and handsome, but like wild looking.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's cool.

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01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 6: He's fascinating anyway.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: My final thoughts about group dynamics.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're complicated. I mean, go to a

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01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: group dinner. It's all the same.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we are.

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01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: We just like the leader will naturally emerge and then

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: they will be overthrown and then people will want new leader.

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's noting up the holidays when you're with

1385
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: your family that you know, sometimes those like group dynamics

1386
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: come into play and then you're playing your old role

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01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: and all of those things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: Anyway, this is a fun little show maybe to get

1390
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: an escape and realize honestly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right.

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01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: Perfect, Thank you guys so much for hanging out with

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01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: us for another week. We'll see you next week and

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01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: as always, remembered to follow your gut, watch out for

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01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: red flags and another bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Trust Me is produced by Kirsten Woodward, Gabby Rapp and

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: Steve Delemator.

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 5: With special thanks to Stacy Para.

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Speaker 7: And our theme song was composed by Holly amber Church.

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Speaker 6: You can find us on Instagram.

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01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: At trust Me Podcast, Twitter at trust Me Cult pod

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01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 1: or on TikTok at trust Me Cult Podcast.

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01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm Ula Lola on Instagram and Ola Lola on Twitter.

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01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: And I am Megan Elizabeth eleven on Instagram and Babraham

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Speaker 1: on Twitter.

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Speaker 6: Remember to rate and review and spread the word

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Speaker 12: Mm hmm