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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's. Today is Wednesday,
Speaker 1: February eighth, twenty twenty three. We are now just seventy
Speaker 1: nine days away from the NFL Draft in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl is now in the rearview mirror. Next
Speaker 1: up the NFL Combine in Indianapolis, and next up for us,
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Speaker 1: not have Brian brought us nor Bobby Belt today Sad Day,
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Speaker 1: delighted to welcome back to the show one of the
Speaker 1: Draft Show originals, mister Dane Brugler from the Athletic Dane.
Speaker 1: How's it going, my friend welcome back. That's not the same. No,
Speaker 1: it's going well. Always always enjoy to hop on with
Speaker 1: you guys. So this is gonna be fun. I can't wait. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna pick your brain here over the
Speaker 1: next forty five minutes. Absolutely, But first tell us how
Speaker 1: are things going. I mean, you're in the middle of
Speaker 1: your busiest time of the year, really ramping up and
Speaker 1: getting the beast taking care of which of course is
Speaker 1: a must read for anybody around the draft whenever it
Speaker 1: does release. But everything going well for you and this
Speaker 1: journey again. Yeah, you know, we just got through All
Speaker 1: Star season, Shrine Game, NFLPA uh, Senior Bowl of course.
Speaker 1: And you know this, this whole process is all about
Speaker 1: cross checking, right, So h by the time the season's over,
Speaker 1: most of the the hay is in the barn. At that point,
Speaker 1: all the work has been done, You've watched the tape.
Speaker 1: Now it's the chance to cross check what you thought. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's what these all these events are for the
Speaker 1: All Star Games, the Combine coming up here in a
Speaker 1: little bit. The the official Combine invite list just got
Speaker 1: released today, so uh, you know, I don't think there
Speaker 1: are any big surprises on that, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just another step in the process. So and
Speaker 1: then after the combine obviously Pro Day's workouts and so,
Speaker 1: you know, each each step tells us something, It helps
Speaker 1: us out as we go through this process of trying
Speaker 1: to figure out this draft class, who's going to be
Speaker 1: a fit for which team, especially the Cowboys. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's a lot of work, but it's also
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So what year is this for
Speaker 1: you now covering the draft? Are you in the double
Speaker 1: digits yet? And the fact that you've already gotten to
Speaker 1: where you are is remarkable. I mean, the the path
Speaker 1: that you have blazed for yourself has been so fun
Speaker 1: to watch. But where does this draft class kind of
Speaker 1: rank for you in terms of the ones that you've
Speaker 1: seen to this point. Yeah, you know, I just got
Speaker 1: home from Mobile and I was counting the years. That
Speaker 1: was my my twelfth year going to the Senior Bowl U.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we've been doing it as a long time.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's it's hard to really ranked
Speaker 1: draft classes. You know, I find it hard, at least
Speaker 1: for myself, because you know, we see these guys in
Speaker 1: the NFL and it's kind of hard to just eliminate
Speaker 1: that from our minds and just focus on, you know,
Speaker 1: how we saw them as prospects. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is a class that's really interesting because you know, I
Speaker 1: think we've got two non quarterbacks in that top tier,
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter from Georgia Willie Anderson from Alabama, whichever order
Speaker 1: you want. In my opinion, it's those two. Then there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a drop off and then until
Speaker 1: you get to that next tier of non quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: then of course the quarterbacks. Uh, it's a really unique group.
Speaker 1: You've got, in my opinion, the top quarterback in the
Speaker 1: class Brice Young, who is a complete outlier from a
Speaker 1: sized perspective, and so every team's gonna look at that
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. You've got a guy like c. J.
Speaker 1: Stroud from Ohio State who had a good career and
Speaker 1: then he played his best game of his life in
Speaker 1: the final game and the Peach Bowl against Georgia, and
Speaker 1: so how do you you know, way that compared to
Speaker 1: the first twenty seven games of his Ohio State career.
Speaker 1: Will love Is from Kentucky did not have the senior
Speaker 1: year many expected, but he's still a really talented player.
Speaker 1: You've excited for what he could be at the next level.
Speaker 1: Then Anthew Richardson from Florida. He's got the most upside
Speaker 1: of any of these quarterbacks. So it's a really interesting
Speaker 1: group of quarterbacks. And then the non quarterbacks. I think
Speaker 1: that you've got again two at the top, then a
Speaker 1: drop off and then that's where you know, we start
Speaker 1: to see the depth throughout the late first round, second round,
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round. So, Dan, you just mentioned quarterback.
Speaker 1: What did you think about Jake Haner? Is it how
Speaker 1: you pronounce his name? Is that correctly? Is that? I felt, yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like he he showed some good things um
Speaker 1: and this uh and the Senior Bowl, and I felt
Speaker 1: like he really rose and stocked his In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I feel like he rose the stock a little bit
Speaker 1: now he played. Yeah, he was my top quarterback at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl going into the WEEKUM And so it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't the sexiest group of quarterbacks because you know,
Speaker 1: we're used to having maybe a first rounder in there,
Speaker 1: you know, justin Herbert Carson wentz uh, you know, Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: These guys were all the Senior Bowl, right, We didn't
Speaker 1: have that this year. No, Will Levis Hendon Hooker was
Speaker 1: hurt um, But going in I thought, you know, Jake
Speaker 1: Haner was the best of the group. And he doesn't
Speaker 1: look like much. You know, he's six foot, just over
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds, um. You know, the arm is good,
Speaker 1: not great, but his competitive juices, his uh you know,
Speaker 1: just that competitive toughness that he brings is so profound
Speaker 1: and something that coaches are going to fall in love with. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I think just I go back to last year,
Speaker 1: it's ucla one of the best comeback performances I've ever
Speaker 1: seen from a quarterback and that has stuck with me.
Speaker 1: And you know, coming into this year he was hurt
Speaker 1: a little bit, but when he's on the field, that
Speaker 1: frozen State offense would go. And so I think that
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's ever going to be a
Speaker 1: long term starter, but I think he has a floor
Speaker 1: of being a Taylor Heineke. You know, yeah, that's yeah him. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not big guys not gonna necessarily wow you with the
Speaker 1: physical traits, but they're just gamers and you know, they're accurate,
Speaker 1: they anticipate, they do quarterback things right, you know, We're
Speaker 1: so used to a lot of these college quarterbacks. It's
Speaker 1: projection in terms of reading the defense, in terms of
Speaker 1: making protection calls. With a guy like Jake Haner, you
Speaker 1: know he can do that. You can see what he's
Speaker 1: doing out there and the way he's processing. So no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of hanter Um. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know that he did enough to get
Speaker 1: in that top one hundred conversation. But if I'm in
Speaker 1: the fourth round and I'm looking for a quarterback to
Speaker 1: round out my quarterback room and someone just to add
Speaker 1: as a backup possibility, Hayner would be definitely a guy
Speaker 1: at target. I'm glad you brought him up because han
Speaker 1: out of Fresno State, one of the words that I
Speaker 1: had seen was moxie. I mean, he just has this
Speaker 1: moxie about him, this upside that might be limited, but
Speaker 1: his toughness and his grit shine through that. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of what it looked like from the quarterbacks as
Speaker 1: a whole. In Mobile Max Duggan, you could throw him
Speaker 1: into that same conversation. Maybe not the most talented guy,
Speaker 1: but a guy that people will rally around. You saw that.
Speaker 1: Of course, they're in the playoff run with TCU and
Speaker 1: then Clayton Tune in there as well. But Dallas has
Speaker 1: had a history of drafting quarterbacks that have been at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Of course, Dak Prescott was a Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl guy. They've they've been interested in guys that have
Speaker 1: been in Mobile. So, out of the six guys that
Speaker 1: you got to see actually played Dane, which one stood
Speaker 1: out to you the most that could be a potential
Speaker 1: fit for Dallas. Would it be a Jake Haner him?
Speaker 1: It might be one of these other five. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that Hainter would certainly make sense. Clayton tune,
Speaker 1: He's seen a lot of football, played a lot of football. Um,
Speaker 1: and I go back to that UTSA tape earlier this
Speaker 1: year where he put the team on his back in
Speaker 1: the late in that game into overtime. Um, I think
Speaker 1: that Clayton tune there. He's overcome a lot of adversity. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just the last three years. Uh, he had
Speaker 1: forty touchdowns this year. Nobody else in AAC history the
Speaker 1: American Conference has ever thrown forty or more touchdowns in
Speaker 1: a season. So, uh, you know, he's a productive guy.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot to like about him. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think Max Duggan, he's another guy were you really
Speaker 1: appreciate the competitive toughness. This is a guy that he's
Speaker 1: a son of a high school football coach. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things where you know, check the
Speaker 1: boxes from a mentality standpoint, from a competitive temperament standpoint. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just there's some things on the field he needs
Speaker 1: to needs to work on. The mechanics can get all
Speaker 1: over the place. Uh. It just being a more consistent
Speaker 1: thrower of the football so he can be accurate from
Speaker 1: snap to snap. So uh, I think he maybe has
Speaker 1: a little bit more upside than say a hainer or
Speaker 1: a tune. But he has a lower floor too, So
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's one of those trade offs
Speaker 1: with a guy like Max Duggan. I'll give you one
Speaker 1: more name who wasn't at the Senior Bowl. He was
Speaker 1: actually at the shrine, Aidan O'Connell from Purdue. Okay. I
Speaker 1: liked him better than several of the quarterbacks that were
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I was surprised he didn't get
Speaker 1: an invite. Just an accurate, quick release type of quarterback.
Speaker 1: Not the most mobile guy. And then that's that's a
Speaker 1: trade off with him. You're not getting a guy that's
Speaker 1: going to necessarily make guys miss in the pocket extend plays.
Speaker 1: So you wish he was a little bit quicker with
Speaker 1: his lower body. But this is a mature guy. He's
Speaker 1: married already, he's got his degree, he's ready for pro life.
Speaker 1: But just drop him in the locker room and I
Speaker 1: think he'll be a backup from day one. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you mentioned in regard to in regards to Bryce Young,
Speaker 1: you talked about his size and how that might be concerned.
Speaker 1: I think that's also too similarly with Heiner, is that
Speaker 1: he's a smaller guy. You know, you worry about how
Speaker 1: is he gonna performing, know with big linemen around in
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, his escapability whatever. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to add on that. I feel like that
Speaker 1: might be a reason why his you know, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not picked super early as well, because it's his size
Speaker 1: and that being a big factor for the position, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think to your point, it's it's
Speaker 1: not just you know, can he see over the line
Speaker 1: or something, it's Kenny hold up durability wise, you know,
Speaker 1: it's Kenny because both these guys are a little more
Speaker 1: on the slight side. Uh. So, you know, it's and
Speaker 1: we know in the NFL everything happens so much faster,
Speaker 1: and especially with Bryce Young. Look, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that he thrives by welcoming that chaos. He thrives moving
Speaker 1: in the pocket and you know, waiting an extra half
Speaker 1: second to let that route come open. But in the NFL,
Speaker 1: even even in comparison to the SEC, things happen quicker.
Speaker 1: And so is he going to take more hits? How
Speaker 1: much does he how many hits does he have in
Speaker 1: that one hundred and ninety pound body. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the last twenty five years we have had three
Speaker 1: hundred and one quarterbacks drafted. Only two were below six
Speaker 1: foot and below two hundred pounds. We're talking about a
Speaker 1: complete out and neither of those guys who were top
Speaker 1: one hundred picks. So to draft a guy like Bryce
Speaker 1: Young with that size profile top three, which I'd be
Speaker 1: shocked if he fell out of the top three, it's
Speaker 1: just something that we really haven't seen before. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think, you know, in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: with most quarterbacks and we try to figure out where
Speaker 1: they're headed in the draft. We look at the breadcrumbs,
Speaker 1: you know, we look at try to connect the dots.
Speaker 1: With a guy like Bryce Young, who is such a
Speaker 1: complete outlier, it's really tough to do that because you know,
Speaker 1: it's he's that much of an outlier that you know,
Speaker 1: a guy like Chris ballad general manager with the Colts.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that really loves the traits, he loves size.
Speaker 1: But how do you how do you do that with
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, where yes, you wish you were bigger,
Speaker 1: but if he's really good at being a quarterback, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you balance that? And it's
Speaker 1: it's just a really fascinating test case for a guy
Speaker 1: that's undersized but a really really good quarterback. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: does that say about Bryce Young and what he's brought
Speaker 1: just based off of his talents in his skill set alone,
Speaker 1: that he's even in that conversation, that status remarkable Dane,
Speaker 1: about how little those guys have gone in the past. Now,
Speaker 1: before we take our first break, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about what position outside of quarterback stood out to you
Speaker 1: the most in Mobile Which one kind of caught your
Speaker 1: eye and uh surprised you or maybe didn't surprise you
Speaker 1: based off of the position groups that you saw at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Um, I think wide receivers. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know that's the sexy position in mobile. You know that
Speaker 1: that the guys that really have a chance to shine. UM.
Speaker 1: Jaden Reid was very good at a Michigan State Uh
Speaker 1: that that Michigan State offense just that it really struggled
Speaker 1: this year without Kenneth Walker, and so I don't think
Speaker 1: his senior tape really did him justice. But you go
Speaker 1: back to his junior tape and that's where you know,
Speaker 1: you see why a lot of scouts gave him that
Speaker 1: third round grade coming into this year, and I think
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl kind of reminded us of that. I'd
Speaker 1: be surprised if he's not a top one hundred pick.
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson out of Stanford. He has missed more games
Speaker 1: the last three years then he has played, and obviously
Speaker 1: a red flag and something that teams have to figure out.
Speaker 1: But for his size six two to fifteen, moves really well,
Speaker 1: catches the ball through traffic. There's a lot to like
Speaker 1: about Michael Wilson. It's just durability wise. You know, where
Speaker 1: do you what's the price tag? Where do you draft
Speaker 1: a guy like that? So the wide receiver stood out.
Speaker 1: There are a few pass rushers that looked good on defense.
Speaker 1: I thought a couple of corners really stood out. Darius
Speaker 1: Rush from South Carolina. Maybe I would argue nobody made
Speaker 1: himself more money than Darius Rush, the South Carolina corner
Speaker 1: with the way he played at the senior boy he
Speaker 1: was running routes, four receivers, making plays on the ball.
Speaker 1: No other dB touched the football more than Darius Rush.
Speaker 1: And he's really interesting background. He's a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: a big fish and a small pond type of guy,
Speaker 1: where he was always the best athlete growing up. So
Speaker 1: he's playing quarterback, he's playing all these positions. Goes to
Speaker 1: high school and he started as a quarterbacks as a freshman.
Speaker 1: That's how good he was and how small his high
Speaker 1: school was. But you know he's playing Receiver's recruited as
Speaker 1: a receiver, goes to South Carolina, will must jump moves
Speaker 1: in the corner. So he's really only been playing corner
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. And you see him getting
Speaker 1: better and better and better. And we saw that in Mobile.
Speaker 1: He was also the fastest player at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: According to the Zebra Technologies they're on field testing, he
Speaker 1: was over twenty one miles per hour. He was also
Speaker 1: one of the longer players among the defensive backs thirty
Speaker 1: two inch r thirty two and a half or thirty
Speaker 1: two and three quarter inch arms six two, so good
Speaker 1: sized player. He can run. As sending tape, I worry
Speaker 1: about him as a tackler, but I know he has
Speaker 1: the size, the speed, and the coverage ability. And when
Speaker 1: you have that, that's gonna get you drafted somewhere on
Speaker 1: Day two. Probably Yeah. For me, I really am trying
Speaker 1: to focus more on an offensive line and understanding what
Speaker 1: those guys are doing. And I felt like it was
Speaker 1: good to see some of these offensive linemen who I
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting class because I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are not long in the tooth,
Speaker 1: but to college standards, maybe they are because you have
Speaker 1: more juniors to me and seniors that guys that stayed,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's a that's valuable for the
Speaker 1: offensive line position just because those guys get more time.
Speaker 1: And so I was looking at John Michael Smith's really
Speaker 1: he stood out to me. A Valia from TCU. I
Speaker 1: felt like his even if his hand tech isn't there, well,
Speaker 1: if his hand tech isn't there, his feet can do it.
Speaker 1: You know. I me personally, I really was trying to
Speaker 1: look at some of these offensive linemen and how they played.
Speaker 1: And I mean, Cody mock Like, some of these guys
Speaker 1: really stood out to me and made I think they
Speaker 1: made a case for themselves in the Senior Bowl. But
Speaker 1: really it was the fact that I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what I saw on tape was real, right, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you actually do know how you actually do have a
Speaker 1: good anchor right like you do. Your hands are super explosive.
Speaker 1: I was just impressed with some of those guys that
Speaker 1: came out there and made something. It made something, you know,
Speaker 1: shake yesterday, well today for yesterday in the game. So
Speaker 1: for me, that's what I was really looking at. This
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive line, this in a Senior Bowl. I've
Speaker 1: got a couple of names. It sounds like it's a
Speaker 1: positive thing. That's a great point. Sorry, Dan, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to cut you off there, but it sounds like
Speaker 1: it's a positive thing. Because wide receiver an offensive line,
Speaker 1: both of which shining and mobile, both of which the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could certainly take a look at Dan Yeah, no question.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, to your point with with
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, it's you know, once you get to the NFL,
Speaker 1: all offensive linemen are. You know, they're they're quick, they're strong,
Speaker 1: they're powerful. You know what separates offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: NFL is really the technical skill. Absolutely, that's what you're
Speaker 1: looking for. And so I think a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned all the guys you mentioned, Yeah, they're seniors,
Speaker 1: they're fifth year guys. A couple of six year guys
Speaker 1: in there. Hey, um, I could argue that maybe the
Speaker 1: best offensive player throughout the week was Osyrius Torrens from FLOD.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he was a guy that you know, he
Speaker 1: was really good at Louisiana Lafayette. He didn't need to
Speaker 1: transfer to the SEC. He would have been already in
Speaker 1: that top fifty conversation if he stayed put. He decides
Speaker 1: to go to the SEC and challenge himself. He follows
Speaker 1: his head coach Billy Napier to Florida, and SEC competition
Speaker 1: was really not a problem for him. And so I
Speaker 1: think he has cemented himself as a top forty prospect
Speaker 1: in this draft could very easily go in the first round.
Speaker 1: Should be the top guard in this draft. I just
Speaker 1: it depends on if you think Peter Skerronsky from Northwestern's
Speaker 1: a tackle or a guard. But besides Scarronsky, I think
Speaker 1: he should be the first guard off the board. John
Speaker 1: Michael schmittz it was kind of like I mentioned with
Speaker 1: Jaden Reid, how you know you get to go back
Speaker 1: to his junior film to really appreciate Jane Reid. It's
Speaker 1: kind of similar with John Michael schmidts. I don't know
Speaker 1: that his senior His senior year tape was was good.
Speaker 1: It was okay, but I thought his junior year tape
Speaker 1: was a lot better. And I think the senior board
Speaker 1: really reminded us of that is okay. This guy, you know,
Speaker 1: whether you want to no matter what you want to
Speaker 1: throw at him, if you want to use power, you
Speaker 1: want to use quickness, uh, you want to use your leverage,
Speaker 1: he has an answer for it. And he's a guy
Speaker 1: that has played a lot of football um and so
Speaker 1: he looks like a plug and play center and someone
Speaker 1: that might not have a huge ceiling as a as
Speaker 1: a as a starter in the NFL, but you feel
Speaker 1: really good about his floor. You feel really about good
Speaker 1: about him coming in from day one and helping your
Speaker 1: offensive line. Jaylen Duncan is another gentleman that I felt like,
Speaker 1: uh came out and showed some some good things. His
Speaker 1: instincts were pretty good at his feet, his hands from Maryland,
Speaker 1: by the way, Yes, from Maryland. By my mistakes, he
Speaker 1: does look like he needs a little bit of polish,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he still came out and showed
Speaker 1: power in his hand. I feel like his hand tech,
Speaker 1: especially as improved since college. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: been working with somebody or not, but I felt like
Speaker 1: his hands were a lot stronger in the senior bold
Speaker 1: than I've seen them on film when I was watching
Speaker 1: back at him. I like it overall. I think offensive
Speaker 1: line is certainly a strong point for a lot of
Speaker 1: the guys in this draft, and it's something that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna have to continue to take a look
Speaker 1: at as well. Like I mentioned a couple of moments ago,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you mentioned John Michael Smith's Minnesota. Matthew bergeron
Speaker 1: from Syracuse. He had a good week as well. Oh,
Speaker 1: Cyrus Torrance out of Florida, and then Steve Abila out
Speaker 1: of TCU. Lots of offensive linemen talk here to open
Speaker 1: things up. But when we come back, we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: be Jean Robinson at twenty six. It's been a topic
Speaker 1: of conversation amongst Cowboys Nation. I'm not going to answer
Speaker 1: one specific question, but because everybody asked about it. I
Speaker 1: want to get Dane's thoughts on it. Bijean at twenty six? One,
Speaker 1: is it even possible? Does he fall that far? And two?
Speaker 1: Does it fit the Cowboys? And it does it fit
Speaker 1: the value of a pick at number twenty six? Does
Speaker 1: it fit the Cowboys? Absolutely? Yeah, I don't here's any
Speaker 1: question about that. Now, obviously we'll see what happens this offseason,
Speaker 1: you know, at running back for the team. Um, you
Speaker 1: know they've with Zeke and Pollard. Obviously they have to
Speaker 1: make decisions there and figure out what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But if if they enter the draft and you have
Speaker 1: a need at running back, you know, you can't do
Speaker 1: any better than be Jean Robinson. You know, he's he's
Speaker 1: so impressive with the way he can make you miss
Speaker 1: with both his power and his quickness. He has vision,
Speaker 1: he runs with tempo and forget the running back route tree.
Speaker 1: He can run a wide receiver route tree no problem.
Speaker 1: Line him up in the slot and he'll run a
Speaker 1: post for you. And he's a very good pass catcher.
Speaker 1: So and there's just a lot to like about him
Speaker 1: as a complete back. Now and we're talking about you know,
Speaker 1: later in the first round. So we're not talking about
Speaker 1: a top ten pick here. You know, he's he at
Speaker 1: least should be part of the conversation. Now, I think that,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, first we'll do will he be there?
Speaker 1: And I think there's a good chance he is. You know,
Speaker 1: when you do a mock draft and you go through
Speaker 1: the first twenty five picks, it's hard to find a
Speaker 1: really logical landing spot for him. You know, a team
Speaker 1: that really needs that running back that you know would
Speaker 1: conceivably take him in the first round. So I think
Speaker 1: there's a good chance he is still available after the
Speaker 1: first twenty five picks. Now is the value there? Should
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do that? That's that's where it is a debate.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that there's necessarily an absolutely right
Speaker 1: or absolutely a wrong answer here. It's more about, you know,
Speaker 1: hypotheticals and what are your what's the best way to
Speaker 1: build a roster? I mean, you know, you look at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. A lot of their first round success the
Speaker 1: last you know, ten years or so has been taking
Speaker 1: positions early that maybe aren't high valued whether and they've
Speaker 1: hit on those, you know, like Zeke has been a
Speaker 1: good player. Um, you know, especially on his rookie contract.
Speaker 1: And you think about Zach Martin, you think about some
Speaker 1: of the other positions they've drafted first round, they've hit
Speaker 1: on those. But is it and this is philosophy, uh
Speaker 1: more more philosophy question when you when you look at
Speaker 1: the draft and what you want out of your first
Speaker 1: round pick, should you be going for that high floor
Speaker 1: You should be you know, going for more of a
Speaker 1: high ceiling prospect at a premium position, whether that's corner,
Speaker 1: pass rusher, offensive line, if you can find a stud
Speaker 1: receiver in the late first round. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's a philosophy that the NFL is constantly evolving.
Speaker 1: Front offices and the way they think are constantly evolving. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Will McClay does such a good job of
Speaker 1: kind of spearheading all of that, and you know, putting
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in position to you know, build the board
Speaker 1: and really target what they need. So where we are
Speaker 1: right now, this is what early February, I will be
Speaker 1: surprised if Bjean Robinson ends up with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That would surprise me, but you don't rule it out.
Speaker 1: With the history of how this team drafts. I love it.
Speaker 1: Dane just go ahead and put it out there, because
Speaker 1: half they just had their hearts feelings. The other half
Speaker 1: of Cowboys Nation just just jumped up in elation. They
Speaker 1: were just ready to roll. As So are we asking
Speaker 1: which running backs would maybe fit with the Cowboys? Possible
Speaker 1: we are doing moving forward, maybe in the later rounds,
Speaker 1: Probably not at twenty six. Oh y, yeah, Well, I
Speaker 1: mean if we're looking at the deep running back class,
Speaker 1: right is yeah, this is a deep running back class, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you guys have looked at these
Speaker 1: guys and you probably agree. It's just you know, you
Speaker 1: don't have to get that guy in the first round.
Speaker 1: Last year, we only have like like three running backs
Speaker 1: drafted the first like ninety picks or something. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: year it won't be like that. We're gonna have you know, one,
Speaker 1: maybe two in the first round, two, three in the
Speaker 1: second round, four or five, six in the third round,
Speaker 1: and then there'll be good players. If I can get
Speaker 1: Eric Gray from Oklahoma in the late third, early fourth round,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm feeling like I just stole him. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a position that you don't I feel really
Speaker 1: comfortable waiting on. With this draft class, that we have
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, there's a couple big twelve running backs
Speaker 1: that aren't named b Jean Robinson that you should keep
Speaker 1: your eye on, both Oklahoma and then another Texas guy
Speaker 1: who of course was at the Senior Bowl in Rashaan
Speaker 1: Johnson who had a hand injury. But my goodness, he's
Speaker 1: he's a downhill runner as well. All right, second question,
Speaker 1: who was the most pro ready wide receiver that you've
Speaker 1: seen so far in this year's draft. I'll start with Dane,
Speaker 1: but I want Aisha's answer on this one too. I
Speaker 1: would probably go at Jackson Smith and Jigbo Ohio even
Speaker 1: without the production this year because of the injury. Yeah, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me at all. I mean this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean c J. Stroud over the summer said that
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbo was the best route runner he's ever
Speaker 1: played with. And let's remember he played last year. His
Speaker 1: wide receivers were with Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, two guys
Speaker 1: that just went over a thousand yards receiving in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And the third guy and he also plays with Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison and Bucca is a really good receiver. I mean,
Speaker 1: Ohio State has just been pumping out those receivers. But CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud definitively said Jackson Smith and Jigbo is the best
Speaker 1: route runner he's ever played with. And look, Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba was not gonna run great. You know, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a mid four or fives guy. That's not his game.
Speaker 1: His game is route running out of the slot and
Speaker 1: being a reliable pass catcher, and it's really good ball skills.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if he's a fit for this this
Speaker 1: team because to me, Smith and Jigbo, if you're not
Speaker 1: playing him in the slot, I think you're misusing him.
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, I think does a lot of great things
Speaker 1: from the slot. You know, do they want to keep
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb working from as an inside receiver or are they,
Speaker 1: you know, willing to move him outside. If they're willing
Speaker 1: to keep him on the outside, then I think Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba becomes more of an option. But if you
Speaker 1: want Ceedee Lamb working a lot from the slot, then
Speaker 1: I don't know that Smith and jig was necessarily a fit.
Speaker 1: So I don't get mad at don't get mad at me,
Speaker 1: but I think this is this guy's a lot of
Speaker 1: people's favorites. But Tank Dell was very impressive to me.
Speaker 1: He was impressive to me because I feel like the
Speaker 1: gentleman just has a feel for the game as a receiver.
Speaker 1: And when I say that is I mean like if
Speaker 1: I think he understands like a corner sitting on his hips,
Speaker 1: so let me, you know, flip my hips here or
Speaker 1: let me go up field, let me turn up field
Speaker 1: from he just looks so natural to me, as opposed
Speaker 1: to a lot of receivers that we saw out there
Speaker 1: that just understood leverage, understood how to go pass people,
Speaker 1: knows how to accelerate, when to accelerate. The hand fighting
Speaker 1: was there, but the route running sometimes it seems like
Speaker 1: he's freestyling, and just for him to be freestyling and
Speaker 1: getting open in that way, I'm like this guy with
Speaker 1: some polish and maybe a little bit more refining could
Speaker 1: be dominant. To me, he was one of the only
Speaker 1: gentlemen that looked like he had star power every time
Speaker 1: he touched the ball, and so I feel like, with
Speaker 1: some coaching, this guy could really get it done. A
Speaker 1: Tank Dell from Houstons and Nathaniel get Nathaniel. Nathaniel, let
Speaker 1: me say Nathaniel Tank Dell. His tape is phenomenal. I mean,
Speaker 1: his tape is fun to watch because he's a playmaker.
Speaker 1: But Dane, I was actually going to ask you about
Speaker 1: him a little bit later in the show, but I'll
Speaker 1: insert another player into bat tell me more about than
Speaker 1: Fanuel Dell and what his overall scouting report looks like,
Speaker 1: because I used just not alone. He impressed a lot
Speaker 1: of people in Mobile, Oh, no doubt. I mean he
Speaker 1: was the most sudden wide receiver at this year's Senior Bowl. Um.
Speaker 1: The way he can settle uncover in the blink of
Speaker 1: an eye is really impressive. He can really scoot and
Speaker 1: he can win over the top. He can get open
Speaker 1: when he wants. And obviously the big thing you worry
Speaker 1: about is he's small. He's a letter and sixty three pounds. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we we've seen you know, I remember it
Speaker 1: wasn't at two two years ago the kid in North Texas,
Speaker 1: Jale Darden who uh you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: liked I liked him, Dan round of the Bucks. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know the size size really worried me. And
Speaker 1: that's you know two two out. Well with the rams
Speaker 1: they took him in I think the second round he
Speaker 1: has not panned out, So it's I think it's fair
Speaker 1: to question the size and how that's going to translate.
Speaker 1: But I do agree on hundred percent with some of
Speaker 1: his instincts as a receiver. The way he could the
Speaker 1: way you could snap off routes really really impressive. So
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable with the size, I think that you
Speaker 1: know you're going to look at Tank Dell as a
Speaker 1: as a possibility on day two. How much bigger is
Speaker 1: he than CD when he came out, Oh, CD's got
Speaker 1: four inches on as far as like, but are you
Speaker 1: worried about the hider the way more than Probably a
Speaker 1: little bit of both right then? Well, because he climbed
Speaker 1: the ladder quite a few times also too, I mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem like he struggles with high point in
Speaker 1: the ball or his hands or anything. So I just wonder,
Speaker 1: I mean, if he if he puts on a little
Speaker 1: bit more size, I guess if he's going to be
Speaker 1: the same guy. But I just was impressed with just
Speaker 1: the natural I'm a receiver. You look at that guy,
Speaker 1: you just immediately say like, that's a receiver, and that's
Speaker 1: a guy that can get open on his own, and
Speaker 1: I think he would be QUB friendly in a way
Speaker 1: as well. I also think that's the thing. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna be undersized, you know, if you're gonna be my
Speaker 1: size and play wide receive in the NFL, you better
Speaker 1: be pretty good. That would be good. You know, he
Speaker 1: and he and he is that. No, to your point,
Speaker 1: he is. He is very good. He's a very good athlete.
Speaker 1: He catches the ball pretty cleanly for a smaller guy. Um.
Speaker 1: You do question, though, what is the growth potential? You know,
Speaker 1: Kenny get to one seventy I'm not I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he can, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say you can't. So you have to. I think you
Speaker 1: part of drafting him as early as that you have
Speaker 1: to be a little convinced that he can get a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger. Um. And that's something that I think
Speaker 1: scouts will be a little bit split on. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than five eight one sixty three, right,
Speaker 1: Like you're a little taller than that, Dane. What's your
Speaker 1: scouting report looking like? If you were measured at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, what would it come out to be? Uh?
Speaker 1: Probably yeah, maybe five nine five nine and a half.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the half. I don't want to know
Speaker 1: what my forty. I don't want to You mentioned we
Speaker 1: talked about Michael Wilson from Stanford. Yeah, we talked about him,
Speaker 1: and granted I understand it's he has me torn a
Speaker 1: bit because as a route runner, I know that we
Speaker 1: talked about oh, Jackson Smith and Jake Yes Jackson, Yes,
Speaker 1: we talked about him, but man, uh, Michael Wilson's route
Speaker 1: running was to me was so impressive, just how fluid
Speaker 1: he seemed and and I don't know if that came
Speaker 1: with the fact that maybe when he had the time
Speaker 1: off when he was injured, he was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: let me just you know, act like I'm running routes.
Speaker 1: But the guy just seems like he understands how to
Speaker 1: get guys get, you know, to beat press coverage. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge part of what the NFL
Speaker 1: is doing now and going back into playing a lot
Speaker 1: more pressed. So I'm excited to see Granted, I understand
Speaker 1: you mentioned his injuries, but if you are going to
Speaker 1: take a chance on him, you are getting a more
Speaker 1: refined route runner um to Stall. Then I think a
Speaker 1: lot of wide receivers are to start. So I was
Speaker 1: impressed on him as well. And for you know, the character,
Speaker 1: the intelligence, He's exactly what you would expect from a
Speaker 1: guy at Stanford. Like he is a very very intelligent guy.
Speaker 1: And I think that that plays into what you're saying.
Speaker 1: He understands, uh, some of some of the details of
Speaker 1: the position that other people might overlook. He understands leverage,
Speaker 1: he understands depth. Um, so yeah, to your point, very
Speaker 1: good route runner and you know they're just he can
Speaker 1: catch the ball through contact. He's a good He's a
Speaker 1: bigger athlete. He has the size too, but he moves
Speaker 1: like a smaller at exactly. And that's what that's what's
Speaker 1: interesting to me is that his feet for him to
Speaker 1: be so so tall and like lean, his feet match
Speaker 1: and that's that's what's It's not something you see like
Speaker 1: that when you see a guy that big and physical,
Speaker 1: and so I feel like he's going to be a
Speaker 1: mismatch issue issue at points in time if he is
Speaker 1: going to be someone that is drafted here. He's got
Speaker 1: that inside outside versatility too to be able to play
Speaker 1: tough on the inside and then move back outside. With
Speaker 1: his size, he's an interesting mid round prospect. You can
Speaker 1: keep him healthy. You're trying to step in, Yeah, trying
Speaker 1: to staff is good. He Another reason he's kind of
Speaker 1: the ideal mid round target is because he can also
Speaker 1: give you value on special teams. So when you're looking
Speaker 1: for that number four receiver on the depth chart, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he just checks all those boxes, um, and
Speaker 1: so for the right value. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's that third round, fourth round, wherever he ends up going. Um,
Speaker 1: you just hope that. And this is where scouts, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you're on pins and needles going into the
Speaker 1: combine because you're hoping that you know, the guys that
Speaker 1: you like that you gave good grades to. You're hoping
Speaker 1: the team doctor comes out and gives you the thumbs
Speaker 1: up that hey, yeah he's okay for us. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: some teams will use number systems one, two, three, four, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know what what number is he? Is he a
Speaker 1: guy that's going to be a box player, Like we're
Speaker 1: not going to draft him, or you know, or is
Speaker 1: he good enough we can work with those injuries or
Speaker 1: there's no long term worries. So a lot of scouts
Speaker 1: would be on pins and needles waiting for those medical results.
Speaker 1: And how about Stanford putting a prototypical wide out in
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson to the Senior Bowl, but also putting in
Speaker 1: Elijah Higgins, who is a little Debbi cake away from
Speaker 1: being a tight end. I mean six foot to two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds, I mean two twenty eight is
Speaker 1: what he weighed in in mobile. He's either a big
Speaker 1: slot or he might actually end up being a tight
Speaker 1: end at some point. He's got to fix up his
Speaker 1: route running a little bit, but he was kind of
Speaker 1: intriguing to me, kind of flashes as a matchup piece
Speaker 1: down the line. Now, next question, and it does have
Speaker 1: to deal with wide receivers, but I kind of want
Speaker 1: to open it up just as a general conversation. Our
Speaker 1: friend co Fax goes on here and he says, Will
Speaker 1: McCarthy and Brian Schottenheimer taking over the offense changed the
Speaker 1: type of wide receivers that the team draps, and how
Speaker 1: would it change things. I don't want to just pigeonhole
Speaker 1: this this topic to wide receivers because it could change
Speaker 1: multiple things. Does it change anything immediately day off? Based
Speaker 1: off of what you've seen for Brian Schottenheimer in the past.
Speaker 1: The new offensive coordinator brought in, he's not going to
Speaker 1: be calling plays, It'll be McCarthy. But how much does
Speaker 1: it waiver the way that the Cowboys have thought in
Speaker 1: the draft process. Yeah, And I think some of those
Speaker 1: questions are going to be a little unanswered because, like
Speaker 1: I said, when you you know, you're a long time
Speaker 1: offensive coach, you've had a little bit of time off
Speaker 1: or you know, a little time not calling plays, how
Speaker 1: does your philosophy change with how you want to attack
Speaker 1: the game. And I think really a lot of the
Speaker 1: ANSWER's stem around Cede Lamb. You know, I mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: how he does a lot of great work from the slot.
Speaker 1: So Ceedee Lamb's the you know right now, he's the
Speaker 1: best weapon you have on offense. So you're gonna build
Speaker 1: your offense around putting Ceedee Lamb in advantageous positions. So
Speaker 1: where's that going to be? Is it going to be
Speaker 1: fifty fifty inside outside, is it going to be more
Speaker 1: eighty percent inside? Where do you want Ceedee Lamb to be?
Speaker 1: And I think the answer to those questions will dictate
Speaker 1: what you do around him. So I think that's what
Speaker 1: you start with Ceedee Lamb. You know, are you going
Speaker 1: to be a twelve personnel team on offense? You know what,
Speaker 1: how are you going to use the tight ends? I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these questions. You know, we can
Speaker 1: look at what you know coach did in Green Bay
Speaker 1: all those years. We can look with Schattenheimer did all
Speaker 1: those years as an offensive coordinator in the past. But again,
Speaker 1: I think philosophies change, and you know, the offense offensive
Speaker 1: football in the NFL is so evolved so much that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these questions are going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit unanswered as we go into this offseason. Now,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. And you mentioned the tight ends.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I went into this draft thinking like
Speaker 1: I don't see the Cowboys looking at tight end just
Speaker 1: because not right away, just because you know, you got
Speaker 1: Jake Ferguson. You also too, you got Peyton hender shot
Speaker 1: that you got as an undrafted free agent last year.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening with Dullan Shels. When I
Speaker 1: was just thinking of I was like, well, maybe it
Speaker 1: could go tight end. Maybe with what you're saying in
Speaker 1: the way that I mean, Obviously, philosophies do change and stuff,
Speaker 1: but tight ends for either one of those gentlemen have
Speaker 1: been important just for the running game and all the
Speaker 1: things that they do. There, did any of the tight
Speaker 1: ends stick out to you, um, Dane in this in
Speaker 1: this in the Senior Bowl, because I had a guy
Speaker 1: that I thought stood out just because of his blocking ability.
Speaker 1: Who's your guy? Oh well, let me go find my
Speaker 1: notes on Oh Taiter Todds, don't rush. It's okay. We
Speaker 1: could let Dan answer first. Yes, yeah, for me, I
Speaker 1: paint that there is there is my note through here.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you what we thought about him? Now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I feel like he showed obviously he showed his
Speaker 1: the blocking ability is there, but just the fluid, the
Speaker 1: fluidity out of the blocks is I think it's important
Speaker 1: moving forward because we're seeing a lot more tight ends
Speaker 1: that are, you know, showing like, hey, I'm blocking here,
Speaker 1: but I could slip out here and I'm a receiver now,
Speaker 1: and I think that has value. Also, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he has a whole bunch of yackability, but he
Speaker 1: has the size to break tackles if necessary. He made
Speaker 1: some pretty dope high point catches also too in the game,
Speaker 1: and I just this those are the things that stood
Speaker 1: out last year with Jake Ferguson. I think that's how
Speaker 1: he got drafted because to that point, I thought Jake
Speaker 1: Ferguson was good, but his Senior bowls will really made
Speaker 1: people be like, hey, listen, this guy maybe has some
Speaker 1: receiver qualities as well, and so paying Durham kind of
Speaker 1: sprinkling that onto the his ability to block the way
Speaker 1: that he does. I definitely feel like he's gonna be
Speaker 1: someone that people are looking at, just because run blocking
Speaker 1: from the tight end position is starting to feel like
Speaker 1: something that I know this team finds important they emphasize
Speaker 1: this year because you had two rookies coming here that
Speaker 1: I thought one of them could block pretty well, but
Speaker 1: then you saw the other one come through and he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, so we're teaching blocking here. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. Moving forward, I want to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on him because I feel like his blocking ability
Speaker 1: is what's going to really take him over the top.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, YEP, I agree with a lot of
Speaker 1: what you said. His ability to snatch snatch of football
Speaker 1: outside of his frame, it was really on display during
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl practices. Um. I thought he didn't outstay any
Speaker 1: job in that area. And this is a guy that
Speaker 1: he was a four year lacrosse player in high school.
Speaker 1: He only played football a senior year. So, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that is a tough, physical athlete. He has
Speaker 1: translated that to the football field. I thought he did
Speaker 1: an excellent job blocking. Um, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what his upside is in terms of, you know, Canny
Speaker 1: be a big play threat. I don't know that he's
Speaker 1: necessarily that. But I feel like I can trust him.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's getting better and better, and I
Speaker 1: can feel I can feel comfortable with him as my
Speaker 1: my number two tight end and then maybe a guy
Speaker 1: that can ascend even more after a couple of years
Speaker 1: in the program. But you know, he reminded me a
Speaker 1: little bit of Jesse James, Uh, you know who. He
Speaker 1: was pretty good out of Penn State. Had had a
Speaker 1: pretty good career with the Steelers, Uh, you know for
Speaker 1: six seven years. Um, that's what we reminded me of.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, and especially we're talking about
Speaker 1: a fourth or fifth round guy. I think, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe he gets in the top one hundred if a
Speaker 1: team really likes him, But I think we're talking more
Speaker 1: early day three for Paying Durham and so for that
Speaker 1: price tag, Yeah, I'm all over him. This is a
Speaker 1: it's a really deep tight end group. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: I've never seen so many tight ends worthy of top thirty,
Speaker 1: top fifty consideration then this year and so first round,
Speaker 1: second round, even into the third round with a guy
Speaker 1: like Sam Laporta from Iowa. You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: a really deep tight end class this year. But it's
Speaker 1: also one you could feel like, you know, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna feel pressured to take one early. If you're a
Speaker 1: team like the Cowboys, you feel like you can wait
Speaker 1: to the third or fourth round and still feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about the guy you're getting. It kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to what you were talking about. You initially it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a need, but at some point it
Speaker 1: might be a need. And if a guy like Paying
Speaker 1: Durham works his way into the fifth round, sixth round,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's on the table for you,
Speaker 1: why not use one of those comp pics to shure
Speaker 1: up your tight end room. Actually, if you're gonna move
Speaker 1: on from Dalton Schultz, that's the biggest factor with it.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned like we you know, Dane, you mentioned sorry,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go no, no, as you say, just to
Speaker 1: add on to that thought, like this is, when's the
Speaker 1: last time this team drafted a tight end? Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: in in the first round. You know it does time decades, decades,
Speaker 1: you know, but even like like the top one hundred picks,
Speaker 1: you have to go. I think it's maybe Gavin Escobar
Speaker 1: the last time they think at a tight end and
Speaker 1: the top one hundred. So you know, this is a
Speaker 1: team that historically tells us they are okay, waiting until
Speaker 1: the fourth round to get a guy. We need to
Speaker 1: take our second break. When we come back, let's do
Speaker 1: some tell me more. I'm gonna bring up some players.
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw them at Dane. We're gonna throw them
Speaker 1: at a show. We're gonna get their their scouting report,
Speaker 1: get their thoughts with a little bit of tell me more.
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Speaker 1: Back here on the Draft Show. We love having Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler as a part of the show. Even in the
Speaker 1: middle of the break, Aisha and Dane chopping it up.
Speaker 1: We're having some fun here on a Wednesday. Brian and
Speaker 1: Bobby will be back with us tomorrow. They are out
Speaker 1: in Glendale, Arizona as a part of the one oh
Speaker 1: five three, the fan coverage of the Super Bowl, but
Speaker 1: they will be back on the Draft Show. Dame Brugler,
Speaker 1: Aisha Morrison, I'm Kyle Yeoman's We've got Chris Meme and
Speaker 1: the back wrapping things up with a little bit of
Speaker 1: tell me more. So I had I had four names
Speaker 1: written down to tell me more of two of them
Speaker 1: we've already hit, and that was Tank Dell out of
Speaker 1: the out of Houston wide receiver and then Clayton Tune,
Speaker 1: quarterback from Houston. I want to start with running back
Speaker 1: from Tulane. And this is somebody who caught my eye
Speaker 1: during the Cotton Bowl because I went to the game
Speaker 1: just as a fan, just kind of watching. Taj Spears
Speaker 1: is a dude. Because as soon as I saw him
Speaker 1: in the Cotton Bowl up against USC, I went back
Speaker 1: watched his tape. I was really impressed with us his explosiveness.
Speaker 1: Not a big guy, he's actually pretty slender for the position,
Speaker 1: but overall five foot nine two oh five. But man,
Speaker 1: this guy's fun to watch and he showed it again
Speaker 1: in Mobile Dane. Love him. I mean, he's so much
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Um he's uh, he has that elusiveness
Speaker 1: so he can create his own yardage. Um, he's very slippery,
Speaker 1: very dynamic. Uh. The start stop cutting skills are really impressive.
Speaker 1: But he also brings patience. Um, you know he's got
Speaker 1: that uh, that that patience behind his blockers and then boom,
Speaker 1: he's gone dart that darting acceleration as soon as he
Speaker 1: finds that crease. Um not a powerful guy to like,
Speaker 1: you know what you're saying with with the lack of size,
Speaker 1: But he's not soft either. You know, he's not a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna go down necessarily with arm tackles. Um.
Speaker 1: You know he will keep his legs moving. Uh. You know.
Speaker 1: So I think that explosive read playing burst, I want
Speaker 1: that on my team. I want that in my offense.
Speaker 1: Reminds me a lot of James Cook out of Georgia
Speaker 1: last year, who the Bills took in the second round.
Speaker 1: I think you're talking similar running style, similar athletes. I
Speaker 1: think he shows potential for three down duties. You know,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a high volume pass catcher at Tulane, but
Speaker 1: he catches the ball pretty cleanly, you know, when he
Speaker 1: is targeted, caught the ball well down to mobile. So
Speaker 1: I'm you know, it doesn't have the desired run strength
Speaker 1: or the build, but somewhere on day two I'd feel
Speaker 1: very comfortable drafting him and having him be a key
Speaker 1: piece of my running back rotation. The biggest obstacle for
Speaker 1: Spears is going to be the medicals past knee issues
Speaker 1: with him. So he's one of those guys where I'd
Speaker 1: be crossing my fingers waiting to hear back from the
Speaker 1: doctors about long term what it looks like. Is he
Speaker 1: a guy that you know we'd be okay drafting and so,
Speaker 1: you know, hoping for good news for him on that front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned his health issues, and that's actually one of
Speaker 1: the things that I took down. It was that's why
Speaker 1: in the in the Senior Bowl, I was looking at
Speaker 1: how he held up in pass pro and he actually,
Speaker 1: to me, showed such a willingness and pass pro that
Speaker 1: I wasn't saw sure I saw from him consistently during
Speaker 1: the season. Maybe you know, when I watched philm on him,
Speaker 1: maybe that was because of the injury. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: does he trust his body here, because obviously that's going
Speaker 1: to be a part of the game. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I liked from him in a game where a
Speaker 1: lot of two highs played, Now, hey, the dude is
Speaker 1: a really good underneath the option that can make something
Speaker 1: out of nothing. He's such a good security blanket, and
Speaker 1: I like how he separates and you mentioned him being
Speaker 1: a receiver. I think that's having receiving qualities. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what I've been looking at in every running back
Speaker 1: I've looked at, because in this NFL right now, it
Speaker 1: feels like you're running back. Yeah you want the power guy,
Speaker 1: but it feels like the guys that are a little
Speaker 1: bit more slippery and have some receiving qualities are the
Speaker 1: guys that are, I don't know, getting get They get
Speaker 1: my attention at this point for what you're trying to
Speaker 1: do offensively. So his receiving qualities are what really stood
Speaker 1: out to me. I know he can run the rock,
Speaker 1: but he has soft hands for a wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: he's decisive, like you said in regards to him hid
Speaker 1: in the hole and being like, yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: go right here, so I'm gonna go. And that's that's
Speaker 1: something that I feel like is going to be important
Speaker 1: for the home run ability in him moving forward, something
Speaker 1: that Tony Poller possesses as well. Yeah, I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see how he ends up testing. I want to see
Speaker 1: how he blows the interviews out of the water, because
Speaker 1: apparently he's just a fun guy to talk to. So
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how he rises, because I don't
Speaker 1: think Dane said a moment ago with the second round
Speaker 1: James Cook, I don't think his stock is set in
Speaker 1: stone right now. It's a middle round stock. But he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna rise as we go along. Same thing with
Speaker 1: this guy that I'm bringing up. And this is somebody
Speaker 1: that you had your eye on, Northwestern ed Rusher, Addie
Speaker 1: Tommy wa Addie Bari. I did it as much as
Speaker 1: I could. I didn't name as close as I could,
Speaker 1: Tommy wa Atabari. I wrote it. I wrote down the pronuncia.
Speaker 1: I've got it too, and I I would not butcher it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he looked right. They look crazy and I
Speaker 1: like it like he sees Yeah. I mean he's vicious
Speaker 1: in a in a sense. And me, you know, we
Speaker 1: were just talking about it before the break. Just how
Speaker 1: if you look at him on paper, you look at
Speaker 1: his size and stuff, You're like, Okay, is this a
Speaker 1: is this what he's supposed to be doing? But then
Speaker 1: you watch him in the Senior Bowl and he's just
Speaker 1: like he's ripping through guys. He has so much. He
Speaker 1: can have speed to power, which is weird, he's twitchy.
Speaker 1: I was asking Dane like, what is he missing? What
Speaker 1: is he missing? If you weren't gonna, you know, draft him,
Speaker 1: why would it be And it would just be because
Speaker 1: of you know, with Danson it's just he's not the
Speaker 1: typical build, I guess for that position at this point,
Speaker 1: who cares? Can the guy play? Like? Guy? Is he
Speaker 1: disruptive and he's gonna get on people's nerves. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get on people's nerves. Bitten's gonna people's get
Speaker 1: on people's nerves. Um, I see what it is well
Speaker 1: Bitten from Wisconsin, Wisconsin, my bad. Yeah, yes, I feel
Speaker 1: like those guys are just disruptors in the past. Rush
Speaker 1: ability um is something that I feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are looking at DT these days. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I like I like Homie. I like the crazy what
Speaker 1: you think Dane well, and that's what what you really
Speaker 1: like about him, even though he doesn't have maybe the
Speaker 1: ideal height and weight. You know, he's six one and
Speaker 1: a half two hundred and eighty five pounds, but he
Speaker 1: has disapportionate arm length and hands. I mean he has
Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms, almost eleven inch hands, so and
Speaker 1: he he uses that when you say that's a lot
Speaker 1: with shorter defensive lineman, but he really does use that
Speaker 1: natural leverage to his advantage to get underneath blockers. We
Speaker 1: saw it consistently in the one on ones down at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Uh to use that natural power get
Speaker 1: underneath blockers drive him backwards. Um, he's shot out of
Speaker 1: a cannon at the snap. You love that initial quickness,
Speaker 1: that upfield quickness that he brings to really threatened gaps
Speaker 1: is impressive. He's very very active with his hands, so
Speaker 1: even when he does get locked up, he doesn't stay
Speaker 1: locked up for long. He is so active that he
Speaker 1: is always trying to get off of those blocks. Twitchy athlete.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's just again, Yeah, like we said, one
Speaker 1: of those guys that maybe on paper doesn't necessarily grab you,
Speaker 1: but you turn on the tape and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: tape after tape after tape, you take all your notes,
Speaker 1: you look down, You've got way more strengths than than
Speaker 1: than negatives, and it's like, Okay, why shouldn't I like
Speaker 1: this guy? And so I'm actually I'm working on my
Speaker 1: top one hundred that'll be out on the Athletic next week,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't know how I keep this
Speaker 1: guy out of my top one hundred with what I
Speaker 1: saw with my own eyes down there at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: with you know, watching the Ohio State tape and seeing
Speaker 1: him against that Ohio State offensive line, watching him over
Speaker 1: his career, it's like, man, I would you know, sure,
Speaker 1: I'd love to get him in the fourth round, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna last me that long,
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be hard to keep him out of
Speaker 1: my top one hundred. Remember the name Addie Tommy Addie Barre.
Speaker 1: I tried it again just for my own practice, just
Speaker 1: to try and put it out there. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: it by Tommy too, So yeah, you can go by
Speaker 1: Tommy if oh Tommy Patty bar that's even better. Very nice,
Speaker 1: all right, last guy, And this is a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that I know Cowboys fans have been asking about a
Speaker 1: couple different times, but we haven't talked about him yet,
Speaker 1: kay sewn Booty Is that how you say his name?
Speaker 1: Bo Boat from LSU? I looked at his pronunciation. It's
Speaker 1: still it's not a great pronunciation, but I think it's
Speaker 1: Booty LSU wide receiver came out potentially in your top
Speaker 1: one hundred Dane what is where does he kind of
Speaker 1: rank and what does he bring to the table. He
Speaker 1: was one of the bigger wild cards in this draft,
Speaker 1: um because I think you just don't know. Okay, like
Speaker 1: three four years from now, he could be going to
Speaker 1: a second Pro Bowl, he could be on a third team.
Speaker 1: Neither of those outcomes would surprise me. Honestly, he is
Speaker 1: that much of a wild card. When you watch the
Speaker 1: good it's really good. You know, you throw on the
Speaker 1: Georgia tap, the SEC Championship game, you like what you
Speaker 1: see from him. But too many other times he disappears
Speaker 1: and he's just not a big part of the offense,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you just really question just what
Speaker 1: type of impact is he is he bringing to your offense.
Speaker 1: Because of that, I think that that good chance that
Speaker 1: knocks him out of the first two rounds and then
Speaker 1: it's just about, you know, each team and where they
Speaker 1: would feel comfortable rolling the dice on a guy like this,
Speaker 1: third round, fourth round, wherever that is, but a couple
Speaker 1: of other things working against them. A lot of teams
Speaker 1: that I've talked to see him as a slot only guy.
Speaker 1: You know, a little more drops than you want to
Speaker 1: see from him. But he's a really good athlete. I
Speaker 1: think what he does best is after the catch. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like Jamar Chase coming out of LSU. He
Speaker 1: was so good after the catch because it's not just
Speaker 1: speed with him, it's body power and the ability to
Speaker 1: break tackles and create Boote has that as well, so
Speaker 1: he can take a simple screen and break a few
Speaker 1: tackles and turn it into a forty yard gain. So
Speaker 1: the agility, the acceleration, the body type, all are things
Speaker 1: that you really like about him. It's just you want
Speaker 1: to see him be more consistent catching the football. You
Speaker 1: want to see him be better in contested situations. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's it's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of question marks that teams have that
Speaker 1: they're hopefully going to get answered at the combine. Like
Speaker 1: I said, he's just a wild card going into the process.
Speaker 1: That's what I got written down said I said, don't
Speaker 1: like how he played through contact. Like That's what I said,
Speaker 1: is um, And that's I mean, I guess that's something
Speaker 1: that's similar kind of what you were saying, is like
Speaker 1: the inconsistency is there's like there's times I was watching
Speaker 1: him and I was like, Okay, I see him, Okay,
Speaker 1: where is here? I haven't seen him for like ten minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, so um And I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: play design, if that's how that is, but I just
Speaker 1: want him to be more, to insert himself more, you know,
Speaker 1: just to be more present you know through if through
Speaker 1: through plays, if that's the way to worth that. So
Speaker 1: that's what I had written down for him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't have a whole bunch from him yet. And there's
Speaker 1: some off the field concerns. I think there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things there that can maybe come into play at
Speaker 1: some point. Overall, it's not even just that it's it's
Speaker 1: on the field. There are question marks. He was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, there was arguments that he would be one
Speaker 1: of the go to receivers in college football, and he's
Speaker 1: had two years since then to try and live up
Speaker 1: to that billing, and he never really did. He was
Speaker 1: a solid receiver, had production, but never really found a
Speaker 1: stride enough to really raise his draft stocking up to
Speaker 1: where people could be excited about taking him in the
Speaker 1: top fifty, which is where his talent and his ceiling
Speaker 1: could potentially land him, but that's going to do it
Speaker 1: for us here on the Draft show, Dane, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for taking some time with us. This was a
Speaker 1: blast as always, and I'm sure we'll see a little
Speaker 1: bit more down the line. We'll see in Indianapolis coming
Speaker 1: up in a couple of weeks. Right, absolutely, no, this
Speaker 1: is absolutely my pleasure. I appreciate you guys having me on.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can do it again. There you go check
Speaker 1: him out on the athletic he's got the top one
Speaker 1: hundred coming out the Beast is it's a countdown to
Speaker 1: the Beast? Are you stressing about it yet? Are you
Speaker 1: starting to sweat a little bit about that? When you
Speaker 1: kicked off the show saying how many DIAC until the Draft?
Speaker 1: I got stressed out a little bit myself, I know,
Speaker 1: right right, maybe I should take that out that that
Speaker 1: was a stressor Yeah, you know, yeah, it's a team.
Speaker 1: It'll be here before we know it. So it's gets
Speaker 1: creeping up on us, no doubt about it. Well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have some fun here over the next seventy one
Speaker 1: day or seventy eight days now, so now we can
Speaker 1: check this one off the bar on the Mark. We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with Brian, Bobby Iesha myself will be
Speaker 1: here for another hour as we break down some more
Speaker 1: NFL Draft prospects and what maybe Brian and Bobby thought
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl as they're out at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But for us today, for Chris Beam, Aisha More, our
Speaker 1: special guest Dame Brugler, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long.
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