WEBVTT - Invention Playlist II: The Saxophone

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to invention. My name is Robert Lamb, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe McCormick. Robert, were you in a band when

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<v Speaker 1>you were in school? Not not like not like a

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<v Speaker 1>rock band, I mean like a school band. School band

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<v Speaker 1>is the only thing I was in. Uh. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>played trumpet for a while, then I played French war

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<v Speaker 1>and then I played just a little more trumpet, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh that was it. Did you ever get good at

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<v Speaker 1>your instruments? No? No, not really the same here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I played trumpet when I was in school, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I think I was probably a source of

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<v Speaker 1>great amusement for like my band, teachers and stuff. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably play my tapes at home for their friends at parties.

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<v Speaker 1>I was probably much in the same territory. I will

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<v Speaker 1>say that towards towards the very end I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being in like a like the school jazz band.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was. I don't know. We played different

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<v Speaker 1>like some types of music. We played Chicago and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was pretty fun. Like for just a brief

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, I saw the potential of playing music,

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<v Speaker 1>playing an instrument and enjoying it at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't later until I picked up the guitar that

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<v Speaker 1>I realized the thing about music is you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be really good at your instrument to have fun playing,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to be good enough to play to

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<v Speaker 1>have fun playing. And I think when I played trumpet,

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<v Speaker 1>I never got there. I never even got to where

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<v Speaker 1>I could really do it. But anyway, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>in school bands, I remember being there with the kids

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<v Speaker 1>in the room who played saxophones, and they'd have to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like learn all the fingerings and mess with

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<v Speaker 1>the reads and everything. And I remember thinking looking at

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<v Speaker 1>these instruments with you know, my my trump I had

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<v Speaker 1>three valve buttons on it and keys whatever you call.

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<v Speaker 1>And the saxophone had so many. It had all these

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<v Speaker 1>like lumps and wires and keys and stuff. And I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>how could you ever learn all that? And how why

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<v Speaker 1>why would you put this like brass alien paris I

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<v Speaker 1>it up against your body. It's so lumpy. Ye. At

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, though, I always thought the saxophone, the clarinet,

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<v Speaker 1>various other woodwinds, they looked more organic, especially the saxophone really,

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<v Speaker 1>because it as this it's like it's coiling like some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a beast and and it makes sense that

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<v Speaker 1>you would utilize all of your fingers in playing an instrument,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to our use of the trumpet, where you're

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<v Speaker 1>just using the three or in the case of the

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<v Speaker 1>french horn, you have one hand just sort of shoved

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<v Speaker 1>up there for good measure. That is right, you please? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So when you played french horn, what is that for?

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<v Speaker 1>What happens if you take your hand out of the hole, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps you support the horn, but also you can

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<v Speaker 1>sort of shape the sound a little bit with it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I see. But of course, my view of the saxophone

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<v Speaker 1>changed greatly when I grew up, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>largely had to do with me learning to appreciate jazz

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I'd never really listened to jazz when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a little kid, and you know, once I heard

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<v Speaker 1>actual jazz music or you know, the stuff from the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the twin a century, then the saxophone kind

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<v Speaker 1>of made sense to me. I agree on Once you

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<v Speaker 1>hear somebody that is a true master the saxophone, as

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<v Speaker 1>with any musical instrument, you you you see what the

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<v Speaker 1>deal is, you see why you hear, why it exists,

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<v Speaker 1>You know why it exists, why it was invented, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, what sort of a whole. It's filling in

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<v Speaker 1>the human experience, as you will. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing like hearing a terrible saxophone or there's also

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<v Speaker 1>the saxophone, I feel can be a difficult instrument if

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<v Speaker 1>it's um playing in a genre that you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little exposure to. For instance, the more the spacier, more

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic versions of jazz. I know, recently, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>were in a work trip and we had an early

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<v Speaker 1>morning lift ride to the airport and the lift ride

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<v Speaker 1>driver was playing some very free form jazz and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something that like I I am acclimatized to

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<v Speaker 1>so as it orna Coleman or something. Maybe, Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's just very free form. Okay, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a psychedelic freak out uh saxophone performance.

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<v Speaker 1>But still at the same time, I can appreciate that

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<v Speaker 1>there is there's great skill going into the performance. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and at least to me, while saxophone sounds very like

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<v Speaker 1>muscular and natural and real, and the genius of it

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<v Speaker 1>is realized in jazz of the don't I don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>to sound pretentious, start talking about the genius of music. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a way in which it's always been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of funny to me, especially like it's they're like the

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<v Speaker 1>saxophone solo and like a rock ballad is always the

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<v Speaker 1>funniest part. But people are into that. Like do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember in the recent stuff to Pull Your Mind episode

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<v Speaker 1>where we talked about the Russian born artists and comedians

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<v Speaker 1>Coomar and Melamed and they they did this thing where

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<v Speaker 1>they used market research to determine all of the elements

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<v Speaker 1>that people like the most and the least in music,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they made a most hated song and a

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<v Speaker 1>most wanted song. And the most wanted song had things

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<v Speaker 1>like it sounded kind of like a combination of like

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<v Speaker 1>like an eighties or nineties R and B song, but

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<v Speaker 1>also kind of spring steeny. It had like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like working class people with humble ambition and dreams and

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<v Speaker 1>like saxophone and the saxophone was what people wanted. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's wonderful. I mean, it does make me think

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<v Speaker 1>now that you mentioned the nineteen eighties, like two kind

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<v Speaker 1>of extremes of of of saxophone player. On one hand, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think of Bruce Springstein in the in the EA

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<v Speaker 1>Street Band, and the original sax player Clarence Clemens, who

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<v Speaker 1>lived passed away in two thousand and eleven. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like really tall, and oh yeah it was a I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think it was like six five. But I

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<v Speaker 1>seem to recall Bruce Springstein himself is maybe a shorter gentleman,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, he seemed even more gigantic up there

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<v Speaker 1>on the stage playing the sacks. But then I also

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<v Speaker 1>think to the nineteen eighties seven film The Lost Boys. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you were going here. Yeah, you know which

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'm talking about. Yeah, there's a scene where they

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<v Speaker 1>characters just go out to what it's a big party

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<v Speaker 1>by the beach or something, and there's a band playing

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<v Speaker 1>and there is just the most intense, oiled up muscle

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<v Speaker 1>wrestle guy ever playing a saxophone solo. Yeah, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of these things that for the longest I just

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<v Speaker 1>without researching, and I just assumed this is just some

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<v Speaker 1>bodybuilder and they said, hey, gyrate with the saxophone and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll put we'll play something over it. But as it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, that gentleman in The Lost Boys is Tim Cappello,

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<v Speaker 1>who was and still is an actual saxophonist in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to a bodybuilder. And I don't mean that he could

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<v Speaker 1>just play it well enough to sort of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do the scene. No, he played on Peter Gabriel's second

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<v Speaker 1>album and toured with him, particularly the tracks Perspective and

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<v Speaker 1>Home Sweet Home. He played with various other people, played

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<v Speaker 1>with uh Tina Turner. I believe so this was this

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<v Speaker 1>guy was a legit saxophone player who just happened to

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<v Speaker 1>be a bodybuilder as well. His agent must have like

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<v Speaker 1>choked on his coffee when he saw the casting call

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<v Speaker 1>go out for that, like need need oiled up bodybuilder

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<v Speaker 1>who is expert at saxophone. He's your man. He's apparently

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<v Speaker 1>still your man. He's still active today. And on the

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<v Speaker 1>other another example is sort of like the ridiculousness of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sacks. I would say, I can't help but think

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<v Speaker 1>of Bill Clinton's Sacks solo on the Arsenio Hall Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was I don't remember that from the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that's the thing people talk about now,

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<v Speaker 1>like Bill Clinton and the Sacks. Yeah it, you know it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't show he was cool that that was the

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<v Speaker 1>intended message. He was a presidential candidate at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he goes in there and he's he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ripping it out on the sacks. The crazy thing about it, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is it's kind of embedded in my mind from just

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<v Speaker 1>being on TV when I was a kid. But it

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<v Speaker 1>also seems to have become just a just a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the American saxophone image abroad. Even um. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago, I was with and into this. This

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<v Speaker 1>this interesting scenario where when you look at representations of

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Claus in China, Santa Claus will often have a saxophone.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, this was I believe the first person to

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<v Speaker 1>really get into this was journalist Max Fisher, who at

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<v Speaker 1>the time he was writing for the Washington Post. This

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<v Speaker 1>was and Um, and he was saying, hey, what he

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<v Speaker 1>looked into this situation, Why are there all these Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Clauses with saxophones? What does it mean? And he would

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<v Speaker 1>ask people about it and they would say, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Santa just has a saxophone. Um. And so I looked

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<v Speaker 1>into a little bit. I I ended up chatting with

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<v Speaker 1>Beijing based journalist Helen gal And and and this was

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<v Speaker 1>in and the short version the short explanation that most

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<v Speaker 1>people tend to gravitate toward here is that American Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Um kind of took up this American instrument in a

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<v Speaker 1>fusion of American symbols during the nineteen eighties. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the time when Santa Claus was introduced as a Western

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<v Speaker 1>concept uh into Chinese popular culture, and he ended up

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<v Speaker 1>just bringing the saxophone as well. Okay, so it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like putting a McDonald's takeout bag in his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, this is part of American culture. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>give him an American instrument. And so it might lead

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<v Speaker 1>some people to think like I kind of, without looking

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<v Speaker 1>into it, I kind of just thought of the saxophone. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a very American instrument. It's a part totally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a part of jazz, it's a part of part

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, the blues, is a part of

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Springsteen. What could be more American than these examples

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<v Speaker 1>of our musical heritage. And yet it is not an

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<v Speaker 1>American invention, not at all. No, Rather, it is an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forties or maybe as early as eighteen thirties creation

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<v Speaker 1>by the Belgian born French inventor and musician Adolf Sacks. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it's not even necessarily one instrument. We keep

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the saxophone, and we'll keep talking about the saxophone.

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<v Speaker 1>But on June eighty six, Uh, Adolph Sacks applied for

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<v Speaker 1>patents on fourteen different types of saxophone. And that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the patent, as we'll discuss. He you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he developed and invented it earlier than that. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite how many he applied for patents for this, at

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<v Speaker 1>this time, there are really only a few varieties of

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<v Speaker 1>saxophone that are in common use today. If you just

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<v Speaker 1>think of a saxophone, what you're probably thinking of is

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<v Speaker 1>like an alto saxophone or maybe a tenor saxophone. But

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<v Speaker 1>then they are also soprano saxophones, is baritone saxophone, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there are a lot of later riff riffs on

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<v Speaker 1>the saxophone concept. There are other experimental saxophones, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into some of these as we continue the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, maybe first of all we should look

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<v Speaker 1>at what came before the saxophone. Yeah, so obviously there

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<v Speaker 1>was there were, there were there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>history before the saxophone. And before the saxophone, we we

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<v Speaker 1>had woodwind instruments and we had brass instruments. The saxophone

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<v Speaker 1>is in singing that it's kind of a hybrid that

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<v Speaker 1>bridges these two families. Now, not to get too bogged

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<v Speaker 1>down in ancient history here, though, I'd love to come

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<v Speaker 1>back and discuss more musical instruments in the future, but horns,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've had a shell and bone instruments of

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<v Speaker 1>this type for a very long time. Some of our

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<v Speaker 1>earliest models of musical instrument technology involved blowing a horn

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<v Speaker 1>of some kind, usually adapted from something you know that

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<v Speaker 1>occurs naturally. And uh and in them we see, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the basic technologies that would evolve into woodwind and brass

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<v Speaker 1>as well. So it's it's all an evolution of materials,

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<v Speaker 1>of design and engineering. As for brass itself as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a as the material for this instrument. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>that the trumpet is the oldest brass instrument, dating back

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<v Speaker 1>to roughly c oh. I think that's where the trumpet

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<v Speaker 1>that I used in in my school days came from. Yes, yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was quite elderly and it uh you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I often wondered, Okay, so I'm like breathing through this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an inevitable amount of when you're blowing through and

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<v Speaker 1>taking a breath, you're gonna suck sort of some air

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<v Speaker 1>through the trumpet as well. And they just had to

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<v Speaker 1>be amazing undiscovered cultures of mold and some stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you'd open the spit valves and oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to gross everybody out too bad. But even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're touching on it, I can kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the way that you interact with with with scent memories,

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<v Speaker 1>I can sort of recall that that funky brass odor. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this this combination of like the smell of the metal.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's really the metal or if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just imagined, but also of the oil you would

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<v Speaker 1>use to oil the keys on the valves, so some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gross oil and when you got it in

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<v Speaker 1>your mouth that was not pleasant. And also just the

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<v Speaker 1>smell of life that dwells in moist shadow, the taint

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<v Speaker 1>of the unwashed corn. So to be clear here, the

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<v Speaker 1>saxophone is a woodwind and f mint that is just

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<v Speaker 1>made of brass. It takes the easy to play, single

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<v Speaker 1>read mouthpiece that you would find in a clarinet, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>and it melds it with the easy fingering of large

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<v Speaker 1>woodwinds and an event of course, it is made of brass.

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<v Speaker 1>That's material. It depends on oscillating read for its sound,

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<v Speaker 1>not buzzing lips, which you would find in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a brass mouthpiece such as with the trumpet or than chorn.

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<v Speaker 1>With those you kind of have to go, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a buzzing I hope you enjoyed that, folks. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a this is a pure woodwind. In this regard, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth noting that the very first saxophone was was

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<v Speaker 1>all Would but he was only later than he made

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<v Speaker 1>the switch to brass um. And we'll come back to

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<v Speaker 1>kind some of the curious trivia about this as we proceed. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a look at all Adolf Sacks himself. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've been reading a book called The Cambridge Companion to

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<v Speaker 1>the Saxophone, edited by Richard Ingham from Cambridge University Press

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<v Speaker 1>n and it has some excellent chapters, especially about the

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<v Speaker 1>the inventor of the saxophone himself, chapter by an author

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<v Speaker 1>named Thomas Lily, but also the book starts with a

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<v Speaker 1>quote from a poem from the Scottish poet Douglas Dunn

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<v Speaker 1>called an Address to Adolph Sas in Heaven and it's

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<v Speaker 1>too good not to read this here here he goes

0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:28.080
<v Speaker 1>so from saxophone quartets by Strauss on days off from

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<v Speaker 1>the opera House, or works by mil Hoode and Ravel

0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.280
<v Speaker 1>or Villa Lobos in Brazil to Lester leaping and possessed

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<v Speaker 1>by his brass belled iconoclast. The sound we hear is yours,

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<v Speaker 1>Adolph Posterity. It's howling wolf times, salivating on a read

0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.280
<v Speaker 1>and fingering at breakneck speed. I like that. It almost

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<v Speaker 1>has kind of a beat quality to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So who is this guy who's being addressed in heaven here?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you can tell from the poem that he's dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can probably guess that since he invented the saxophone,

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<v Speaker 1>he pretty much have to be dead, unless I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a multi centenarian, right, he know he lives on

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<v Speaker 1>in the instrument. But yes, he died in eight He

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<v Speaker 1>was born in eighteen fourteen. He was the first of

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<v Speaker 1>eleven children born in to musical instrument maker in denn

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<v Speaker 1>in what is now Belgium. His parents were not only

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<v Speaker 1>instrument makers, but they were also innovators of in their

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<v Speaker 1>own right, altering designs and uh and of course just

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<v Speaker 1>playing music. So he was born into a family that

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<v Speaker 1>was not only musically literate, but but very versed in

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<v Speaker 1>the technology of musical instruments. Yeah, Adolf's father, Charles Sacks,

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<v Speaker 1>was at one point made the official instrument maker to

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<v Speaker 1>the Court of the Netherlands. And so Charles created an

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<v Speaker 1>alternative design of the horn, the core Omni Tonique, which

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<v Speaker 1>I have an image of here I went and fetched

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<v Speaker 1>from an image of the met Museum, ain't she Abut

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<v Speaker 1>this is good? Now, Robert, you played the French horn,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is not what you played. No, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this his French horn esque in its overall design. But

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<v Speaker 1>there there, there's there are different additional whorls in there.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like the entrails of a brass angel. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's got a valve that you can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of pump in and out, maybe sort of like a

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<v Speaker 1>trombone handle. I think, yeah, this was no rough horn.

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<v Speaker 1>You can look at this and tell like this, this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that was created by a true craftsman. Beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful metal guts and uh and so Sacks. Uh. Adolf

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<v Speaker 1>Sacks grew up amid these these these brass guts. According

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<v Speaker 1>to a text I was reading Leon Kaczynski's Adolf Sacks

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<v Speaker 1>and his Saxophone. Uh. Sacks could drill a clarinets holes

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<v Speaker 1>and bend a horn by the age of six. So

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<v Speaker 1>he simply just grew up in the world of instrument

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<v Speaker 1>crafting and music. And he learned to play a clarinet

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<v Speaker 1>and flute and was quite skilled at this as well,

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<v Speaker 1>like like no mere amateur as a musician at all. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was said that he could have been a renowned

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<v Speaker 1>clarinetist if he wanted, like if he pursued that path instead.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he when he would play his instruments, he

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<v Speaker 1>would keep noticing chances for improvements to the design of

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<v Speaker 1>the instrument itself and then returned to the workshop. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he began to become known for his skill at

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<v Speaker 1>instrument making. With his father Charles, according to the chapter

0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.000
<v Speaker 1>by Thomas Lillay, Uh, with his father Charles primarily churning

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<v Speaker 1>out the known instruments for the family to sell, and

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<v Speaker 1>Adolf focusing more and more on experimenting with new forms

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<v Speaker 1>and designs. Yeah, he entered his own handcrafted flutes and

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<v Speaker 1>clarinets and contests by the age of fifteen, and he

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<v Speaker 1>created his own take on the bat at the base

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<v Speaker 1>of clarinet at age twenty. Yeah. Lila's chapter tells the

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<v Speaker 1>story of Sax's entry at the Brussels Exhibition of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty one. Uh. And so this was this instrument show

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<v Speaker 1>and contest that Sachs entered with a handful of clarinets.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to Sax's friend George Kassner, an early model

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<v Speaker 1>of the saxophone was there. So, according to Kassner's version

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<v Speaker 1>of the story, this would have been the public a

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<v Speaker 1>view of the saxophone, except for the unfortunate twist of

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<v Speaker 1>fate that the new instrument quote was sent flying with

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<v Speaker 1>a kick by an unknown person at a time when

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<v Speaker 1>the inventor, Atolf Sacks, was away, so already making enemies

0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:19.280
<v Speaker 1>even one. Somebody just punts your saxophone. Uh. And according

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<v Speaker 1>to Lila, the judges at this contest recommended Sacks for

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<v Speaker 1>the gold medal, but the central jury rejected their recommendation

0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.239
<v Speaker 1>because they said Sacks was too young to win the

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<v Speaker 1>top prize. And Sacks reportedly commented on this quote if

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<v Speaker 1>I am too young for the gold medal, I am

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<v Speaker 1>too old for the silver. Oh man, this is already

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<v Speaker 1>just a great snapshot of of Sacks. Yeah. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>in reading his from his biographies, he becomes pretty clear

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<v Speaker 1>like that he's one of these these individuals who creates

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<v Speaker 1>something that's going to live on after he's gone, but

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<v Speaker 1>he himself is is not really going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>real bite of that success. Yeah, he clearly was a

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<v Speaker 1>very talented, very smart person, but also just he had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of troubles. Yeah, and some of these were

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<v Speaker 1>outside of his control, but then a number of them

0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.399
<v Speaker 1>also seemed to be kind of self inflicted. And and

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<v Speaker 1>this is he's very much a study and like what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like what kind of determination is sometimes involved

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<v Speaker 1>in an inventor's mindset? You know? Uh? And and how

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<v Speaker 1>might that determination uh run at odds with polite society.

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<v Speaker 1>But what were all the stories about how he like

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<v Speaker 1>almost perished repeatedly as a child. Oh yeah, according to

0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Adolf sax and his saxophone, Um, his mother referred to

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<v Speaker 1>him as quote little Sacks of the ghost based on

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<v Speaker 1>the number of times he almost died. So he managed

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<v Speaker 1>to survive a three story fall Uh, an incident where

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<v Speaker 1>he swallowed virtualized water and a pin at age three,

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<v Speaker 1>gunpowder explosion, burns, a fall into a cast iron frying pan.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you fall into one? He's very small at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Maybe small at the time, yeah, or you know,

0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 1>it's unclear, like maybe just part of him. Uh. Also

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<v Speaker 1>poisonings and phyxiations due to varnished items left lying in

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<v Speaker 1>his bedroom at night. What I'm unclear of that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, due to ongoing projects that his parents were

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<v Speaker 1>working on or stuff that he was working on, because

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<v Speaker 1>clearly from a very early age he was engaging in

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.080
<v Speaker 1>these sort of in this sort of activity. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think before his parents worked on musical instruments, they worked

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<v Speaker 1>on furniture, like cabinets. They were cabinet makers, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it could be varnishing of cabinet parts. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>And once he was hit in the hit on the

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<v Speaker 1>head by a cobblestone and fell into a river. Dang. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of a minor miracle that he even

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<v Speaker 1>lived to adulthood based on these stories, and then his

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<v Speaker 1>life in Paris as an adult seems just consumed by

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<v Speaker 1>rivalries with various enemies. At least one of which culminated

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<v Speaker 1>in a musical duel. Uh. And then there were all

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<v Speaker 1>these various betrayals as well. So Kochynsky wrote that he

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<v Speaker 1>quote had exceptional gifts for the gentle art of making enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're left with this, this vision of a difficult

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<v Speaker 1>of very difficult but determined and talented man um And

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<v Speaker 1>he did find some key patrons and supporters, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes in very high places. Yeah, like he there was

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<v Speaker 1>almost like when he did make friends, he could make

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<v Speaker 1>really influential friends. But even in his successes, such as

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<v Speaker 1>with the saxophone, he still had to fight ceaseless battles

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<v Speaker 1>against those who would imitate and and or outright steal

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<v Speaker 1>his craft. Yeah, so we should get to more on that,

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<v Speaker 1>because after this Brussels exhibition in eighteen forty one, Sachs

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<v Speaker 1>moved to Paris and he continued his work there. This

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<v Speaker 1>was around eighteen forty two, and at the time a

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<v Speaker 1>writer named Hector Barelos wrote an article about Sax's arrival,

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<v Speaker 1>which included the following. This is sited in Lila's chapter quote.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a man of penetrating mind, lucid, tenacious, with

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<v Speaker 1>a perseverance against all trials and great skill. He is

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time a calculator, accoustician and as necessary

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<v Speaker 1>also a smelter, turner and engraver. He can think and act,

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<v Speaker 1>He invents and accomplishes. So obviously Sax made he found it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he found a way of making very positive impressions on

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<v Speaker 1>some people. And once in Paris, Sacks made friends with

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<v Speaker 1>big players in the music world and gave public performances

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<v Speaker 1>with his instruments. But he also made enemies very quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>especially among the other instrument makers of Paris, people who

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<v Speaker 1>saw in Sacks a threat to their business. Yeah, who

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<v Speaker 1>would have thought that this was such a vicious world?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that the world of of of of instrument

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<v Speaker 1>makers in Paris. Oh, it's about to get vicious in

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<v Speaker 1>ways that you will be shocked by. So Lili quotes

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<v Speaker 1>a letter written by Hector bare leo Is in October

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen forty three. Quote, it is scarcely to be

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<v Speaker 1>believed that this gifted young artist should be finding it

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to maintain his edition and make a career in Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>The persecutions he suffers are worthy of the Middle Ages,

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<v Speaker 1>and recall the antics of the enemies of Ben Venuto

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the Florentine sculptor. They lure away his workmen, steal his designs,

0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.960
<v Speaker 1>accuse him of insanity, and bring legal proceedings against him.

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Such is the hatred inventors, inspire and rivals who are

0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:26.800
<v Speaker 1>incapable of inventing anything themselves. Man, So, what are some

0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:29.199
<v Speaker 1>examples of how they work to get against him? There?

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.879
<v Speaker 1>There are several in this book. Uh So, some of

0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Sax's enemies tried to undercut him by using their influence

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in the music world to make sure Sax's instruments, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>his bass clarinet were not accepted in orchestras right, so

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<v Speaker 1>they would they would have influence over somebody in in

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<v Speaker 1>some big influential orchestra, they say, like the lead clarinetists

0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.239
<v Speaker 1>and some Paris orchestra, who would then say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you let instruments invented by Adolph Sax into this orchestra,

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<v Speaker 1>I will walk out. I will not play with you anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was your thing about some of these, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the other text where people were like, yeah, I'm not

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>playing at Off Sacks instrument. It's hard, it's really it's

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>very it's difficult. But I think for us to really

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>imagine this kind of world, because I know, for all

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<v Speaker 1>of my life I kind of thought of you know,

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 1>instruments are kind of fixed, you know, they're they're all old,

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 1>well established instruments, Like the newest instrument is going to

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 1>be like the you know what, electric guitar whatnot. But

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>but no new invent new instruments are being invented all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. I mean. Now, one thing that does come

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 1>into become an issue here is that when a new

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 1>instrument is invented, it doesn't yet have like compositions written

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.719
<v Speaker 1>specifically with it in mind. So if you're playing older

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>compositions for an orchestra, they're probably they're not going to

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>have a saxophone part written in them, right, And of course,

0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>not every instrument has a lot of versatility, Like obviously

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the saxophone has quite a bit of versatility. But on

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, something like the theoremin has limited usage

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 1>in music even when it is it's it's played exceptionally well. Yeah,

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 1>but even if these orchestras were considering incorporating say a

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:10.439
<v Speaker 1>base clarinet of sax's design, or a saxophone or a

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>sax horn, uh, you know, any of the stuff he

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 1>put together, there would be ways that these rival instrument

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 1>instrument makers could try to shut that down and prevent

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>it from happening. Also, when the French government was considering

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 1>adopting some of Sax's instruments for the reform of its

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>military ensembles, because apparently at the time, the French government

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>considered the old, sort of decrepit state of their their

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>military marching bands to be an embarrassment. They needed new

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>military music to show off, which is kind of a

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>funny thing to consider that they'd be super concerned about,

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>but that this would be an expression of your military

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>prowess since I guess as a different time. Yeah, but

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.320
<v Speaker 1>then again, it is technology, and that's one thing that

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 1>is that we shouldn't overlook, like like we're talking about

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>musical technology. Yeah. Uh So this was going on. There

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.199
<v Speaker 1>was a just so the French government considering adopting some

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>of Sax's instruments for their for their military use, and

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>then opposition to Sax really intensified the rival instrument makers.

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>They formed this association that was basically just organized to

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 1>attack Sacks and shut him down, and they tried to

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.199
<v Speaker 1>sue him to prevent him from getting a patent on

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the saxophone. One of the tactics they tried is downright diabolical.

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>So in I'm gonna quote here from Lilla's chapter quote,

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:32.439
<v Speaker 1>in another tactic, several saxophones were purchased and sent to

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>other countries. Sax's identification was removed and the instruments were

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>then re engraved to indicate foreign manufacture. Right, So the

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 1>ideas to say, oh, no, saxophone, saxophone, I'm calling him saxophone.

0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Sacks did not invent the saxophone. They're already ones being

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>made by other people over here beforehand, man, So they're

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>just straight up falsifying evidence to support this idea that

0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:00.359
<v Speaker 1>he stole the saxophone design from other countries. Right. But

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of course, fortunately that Lila says that these forgeries were

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 1>poorly executed and quickly revealed as a ruse. But it

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 1>just did not stop here. From the late eighteen forties

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>on through the rest of his life, it seems sax

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:18.879
<v Speaker 1>was just plagued with money troubles and constant lawsuits. His

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.160
<v Speaker 1>biography at this point really just reads mostly as one

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>miserable sounding court case or bankruptcy threat after another, and

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>he eventually died in eighteen ninety four in poverty. I believe, Yeah,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I think so. But I think we should turn back

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 1>to the eighteen forties to look at the invention of

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 1>the saxophone in particular. But maybe first we'll take a break.

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back and we're discussing the saxophone. So

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Sachs was first granted a patent for the saxophone on

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>June twenty second, eighteen forty six, and getting this patent,

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned earlier, turned out to be difficult due

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:03.959
<v Speaker 1>to the intentional sabotage of an association of rival musical

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>instrument makers, which we discussed a bit earlier, a musical

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>legion of doom. Yeah. So, according to this chapter by

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Lillay, another one of the challenges that Sax's rivals

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>put in his way was quote the contention that because

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>the saxophone had been performed before a large public audience

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.960
<v Speaker 1>during the contest on the Champ du Mars, it was

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>invalid for patent. So Sax's response to this challenge was

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty awesome. He came back with a challenge. In return,

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he withdrew his patent request and dared his the plaintiffs

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>to build a saxophone of their own without the use

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of his design specs, and they were unable to do it.

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>So a little less than a year later sax refiled

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>and got his patent application granted. So now he's got

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the thing patented. But as we've talked about, obviously Sacks

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't invent it in eighteen forty six. He'd been working

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>on this for a while. Uh. We remember the story

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>from eighteen forty one with the exhibition in Brussels were

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>at least according to Kassner, Uh, he had a saxophone

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>then before somebody came along and punted it. But maybe

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>a way of coming at this issue is to think

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>about what makes the saxophone special, Like, what is it

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.360
<v Speaker 1>about this instrument that needed to be invented. So the

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 1>word saxophone means literally either sound of Sacks or voice

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>of Sacks. I don't know which one is better. I

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>guess voice of Sacks is better. That the Greek phone

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>could mean sound or voice off often voice, and I

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's kind of creepy to think about the

0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>voice of the inventor coming and speaking through the brass tube.

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>More than the century after he dies. It would have

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>been a great album title for him, you know, the

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Voice of Sacks, Sound of Sacks, Sacks from the Heart

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>of Space. Now, the saxophone has nineteen keys, and it

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>slightly resembles the off acclyde, which is a brass instrument.

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>It was invented earlier that century in France. Yes, and

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>literally lists a number of instruments that have been offered

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>does design ancestors to the saxophone. So a few of

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>these include a quote Argentine instrument quote made of a

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>cow's horn whose tip is shaped to resemble a single

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 1>read mouthpiece with a thin read of bone bound by

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a silk thread. Another one might be the alto fagato,

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>which is a sort of high register bassoon. I think

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that name just means high bassoon. And then the Hungarian

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>taro gatta, which is a canonical bore would wind you know.

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna mention this later in the episode as well.

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>But anyone who's intrigued by the history of musical instruments,

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix, Arizona.

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing museum, well worth the price of admission. They

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 1>have musical instruments from all over the world. Uh, just

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>stroll from continent to continent and just wow yourself with

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>how many different designs there are that have a lot

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 1>in common. Like you know, they're they're string instruments from

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>all over the world, and in in a very simple way,

0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>they are all doing the same thing. But yet the

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>materials involved, the design involved, the artistry involved, this the

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of music that has then created with the instrument

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>very so much. Um and certainly you see plenty of

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>different instruments of that museum that are made from parts

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>of an animal was going there? What means you want

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to do this episode on the saxophone? I think it did.

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 1>It did? It did remind me of of the saxophone

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 1>as being an example of like, here's a musical instrument

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>that first of all has a very clear cut inventor,

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>but also with his name on it, with his name

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>on it. Uh. And yet at the same time it

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>does tie into this this larger history of musical instrument technology. Right. Well,

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>given that it was part of this larger history, I

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>guess we need to ask the question again what makes

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the saxophone special? Like what was it alf Sacks trying

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to do when he made it? Uh? Some sources claim

0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>that he sort of discovered the design by accident. Sax's

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>son Adolf Edward, disputes this. A likely reason for its

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>creation was that Sachs wanted to create a version of

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the clarinet that would overblow in octaves rather than in twelve.

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So now I didn't know what this meant when I

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>first read it, so I had to go read about

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this and figure out what this is. As best as

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I understand. Overblowing is when you change the note being

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>played on a wind instrument without changing the fingering, but

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 1>simply by altering the air flow. So maybe like blowing

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>harder or changing the position of the mouth or whatever,

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>So you can hold a fingering, change what you're doing

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>with your mouth and your lungs, and cause the sound

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>produced by the instrument to jump up to a higher pitch.

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>And on the saxophone, what makes the saxophone special is

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>that this interval where the note jumps up to is

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>a perfect octave, essentially the same note one octave up,

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>which is a useful thing. This isn't the case on

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>other instruments, like on a clarinet, it when you overblow,

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>it tends to jump up by like a twelve or

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>something not a perfect octave, and the fact that the

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>saxophone can overblow into a perfect octave is musically useful.

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>It's useful to the player. It can be pleasing. So

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of speculation that this was the purpose

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of why why sax created this in the first place.

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>It was to have an instrument that could do this,

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But we don't know for sure exactly why the saxophone

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>was created. Yeah, ad off Sex never claimed to have

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>been visited by a muscular angel playing this instrument, right right.

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know. Also, I just had the perfect idea,

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and now what I know has to be the case

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>is that that guy in the Lost Boys. You know,

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.479
<v Speaker 1>muscle guys are often oiled up, this guy was oiled

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>up with with like the trumpet valve key oil. Now

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I've also read that the saxophone bridges the gap between

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the brass section and the woodwinds. Uh you know, and

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess that that explanation kind of know. It also

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>plays with this idea that it is a fusion of

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 1>the two design elements. But the idea is that it

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>also it creates a tonal balance between the two. It's

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a versatile instrument with a quote middle voice. Yeah, and

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the saxophone is also said to have the sound closest

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>to the human voice, making it an obvious choice for

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're pleasing musical solos. Yeah. Thomas Lily's chapter

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>in in the Cambridge Companion, he writes about how the

0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:17.919
<v Speaker 1>saxophone is sometimes thought of as a singing instrument. It's

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>got the like the range and versatility of a human

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>voice quote, capable of producing guttural sounds and fine spun

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>spun eloquence, of rabble rousing and of inspiring and he

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>so he says, like the singing quality of the saxophone

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 1>made it really well suited, especially to become part of

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>not like orchestral music, but of jazz and popular music,

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 1>which tended to evolve from originally acapella forms that, like,

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, jazz and popular music grew out of stuff

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 1>like blues and work songs and folk songs that were

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>sung before they were anything else. So in a way,

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like a an instrument of translation from purely

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>vocal music into uh, instrumental music. Yeah, I think that's

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a good way of thinking about it. Yeah, this again,

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.720
<v Speaker 1>this player, this, this definitely aligns up with this feeling

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.320
<v Speaker 1>that the saxophone is very organic and and and also

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>probably plays up to the sensual aspects of the saxophone.

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>There are again personified in this this vision of the

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>muscular saxophone player engaging in his solo. I should also,

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>as long as we're talking about materials and all, I

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>should point out that the flute is the only other

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, um of famous metal woodwind instrument. However, the

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>flute was originally crafted from wood and is still sometimes

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>crafted from wood today. I think they're they're even bone flutes, right, yeah, yeah,

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 1>flute technology. Yeah, it goes back a long way now.

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>According to the author Don Ashton, one of the things

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.879
<v Speaker 1>that makes the saxophone unique and appealing is that it's

0:35:49.000 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of a friendly instrument to pick up, like that

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 1>it has acoustical properties that make it easy to learn

0:35:56.480 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>and and uh, it is an amiable object to sound.

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Ashton writes, quote relative to other woodwind instruments, the saxophone

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>has a large bore, and this is of great significance

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 1>to many aspects of its sound capabilities and player response.

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>The use of a conical tube renders the sound wave

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>richly harmonic, yet the fingering system rivals that of the flute.

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>In simplicity. In common with other large bore instruments, the

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>fundamentals are easily formed. Yet the reduction and bore towards

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the mouthpiece facilitates both an evenness of timber throughout the

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>instrument and the extension of the two and a half

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>octave normal range. Now, of course, experienced players now often

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.520
<v Speaker 1>take the instrument beyond that normal range, but that was

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the range at which it was originally

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 1>said that the instrument was meant to be played. So

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>it kind of hits this perfect balance point, you know.

0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>It's it's an instrument that's easy to pick up, but

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>yet it rewards the h the musician who invests a

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 1>great deal of time and energy into it. Exactly. Yeah,

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And because it's characterized as as seeming to to like

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>grow so organically from what the musician is able to do,

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>you can take it in a lot of directions, the

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:13.200
<v Speaker 1>way you can take your voice in a lot of directions.

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, on that note, we're gonna take one

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>more break and we come back. We're going to discuss

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the legacy of the saxophone. Alright, we're back now. The

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 1>saxophones impact on music and culture was, of course enormous.

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Lily notes that it's spread really quickly to other countries

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 1>soon after its debut in Paris in the eighteen forties.

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Within the next few decades, it was appearing all around

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the world. There were several early saxophonists names like Louis

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Adolph Mayor, on Riwui and Suaya, who made the instrument

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>popular abroad with their performing tours, and early on a

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of listeners. This is kind of funny now, given

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know all the like the Saxy Santa and

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:02.479
<v Speaker 1>the Muscle Guy and all, but early listeners reported being

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>awed by the beauty of the sound produced by the saxophone.

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Like after an early demonstration by Sacks in eighteen forty

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>two in Paris, an author named Scootier wrote in La

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.160
<v Speaker 1>France Musicale that the instrument had this amazing sound quote

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>remarkable intensity and quality of sound. You cannot imagine the

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>beauty of sound and the quality of the notes. It

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>makes me wonder if to a large extent, we're just

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>desensitized to the saxophone today and I'm just so used

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to hearing it in commercials and recordings in many cities

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.200
<v Speaker 1>you walk on the street and you hear the saxophone.

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 1>If you attend to parade, you see people marching here,

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>people marching with the saxophone. Yeah, I mean, just think

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 1>about the quality of uh, you know, a sort of

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>like mid level middle range tone produced by the saxophone.

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>It is remarkably like it feels very like thick and

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>deep and rich, full full of little harmonics and uh yeah, yeah,

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I think I can hear what they're saying. I've just

0:39:04.880 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 1>heard it so many times. Now, what what if I

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>could hear a saxophone for the first time? Another one,

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>So that last quote was cited in Lila. Here's another

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>one sided in lay again, this one from that guy

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>George Kastner, who wrote in eighteen forty four about the

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 1>saxophone quote the nobility and beauty if it's timber. I

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>cannot say enough times the saxophone is called to the

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 1>highest destiny by the beauty of its timber. Yeah, these

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 1>guys are losing their minds about a saxophone. Like it's

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>clearly scratching an itch that that other instruments were not

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.280
<v Speaker 1>really capable of dealing with. You know, it's it's delivering

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>a new experience. Yeah, and of course not everyone would

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>always feel this way. On top of so, you had

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the rivals of Sacks who opposed the saxophone for pure

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 1>business reasons, you know, they just wanted to take him down.

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>But there have been people who hated it for other reasons.

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Of course, one really sad fact in its history is

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:02.320
<v Speaker 1>that probably because would reach its most powerful and brilliant

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 1>use later on in like African American jazz music, racists

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>have often targeted the saxophone. Like no surprise here, but

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:14.479
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis hated the saxophone. Um. There's an article in

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic by J. J. Gould about this, citing

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the writings of the Czech dissident literary figure Josef Skvoreki,

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and the Nazis often opposed jazz music. He talks about

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>how they considered the saxophone to be linked to uh

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:33.720
<v Speaker 1>TO like African music, and they banned it. They highly

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>regulated it in Germany and some occupied territories uh And

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>in one of his books, Skvoreki relays a set of

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 1>regulations issued by a Nazi officer name go Lighter in

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>occupied Czechoslovakia, and some of these rules are just bizarrely specific,

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 1>like quote, pieces in fox trot rhythm so called swing

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.279
<v Speaker 1>are not to exceed twenty percent of the repertoires of

0:40:56.360 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 1>light orchestras and dance bands. Like so tightly regulating the

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>specific musical qualities of what kind of music can be

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>played and when literal music nazis yes, yes, and like

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>banning vocal improvisation, you know, like scat singing. But then

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 1>also one of the things that that is in this

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:19.840
<v Speaker 1>list of prohibitions is quote, all light orchestras and dance

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>bands are advised to restrict the use of saxophones of

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>all keys, and to substitute for them the violincello, the viola,

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>or possibly a suitable folk instrument. Uh. And so a

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of these rules explicitly cite racial resentment as their motivation,

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:39.760
<v Speaker 1>saying that music should not sound Jewish or African. Uh,

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it's insanity. And and Scoreki wrote that jazz was opposed

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.879
<v Speaker 1>by the authorities of the Soviet Union as well. Uh.

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.320
<v Speaker 1>He wrote, jazz was a sharp thorn in the sides

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 1>of the power hungry men from Hitler de Bresnev who

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 1>successfully ruled in my native land. I have to say

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm am even more inclined to like jazz

0:41:58.239 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>now that I know that it was, you know, getting

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 1>an the skin of of of prominent Nazis and giving

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 1>them the willies right well, I mean you can you

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.399
<v Speaker 1>can tell apart from their racial hatred, there's also there's

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 1>a spirit of creativity and freedom in it that is

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 1>anathema to the totalitarian, authoritarian spirit you know, that hates

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>that kind of creativity. And of course I think many

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>people would truly agree that like jazz is one of

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:26.359
<v Speaker 1>the truest and most powerful realizations of what the saxophone

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>was capable of with you know, artists like Charlie Parker

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and John Coltrane. Yeah, artists that really like took that

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>organic nature that we've been talking about and just laying like, like,

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>let that balloon out let that be the defining aspect

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>of the performance. Now, despite the fact that I think

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>most people today would really associate the saxophone with jazz

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>more than anything else, uh, it actually wasn't a commonly

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>used instrument in the very earliest days of jazz and

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>only became a regular addition to jazz ensembles and compositions roughly,

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I think in the time after World War One. Like

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 1>its earliest widespread use in the nineteenth and early twentieth

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.960
<v Speaker 1>centuries was in bands you don't think like John Phillips

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 1>sousa type of music like marches and that kind of thing.

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 1>And in the nineteen twenties, the popularity of its skyrocket

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 1>it it surged in America with the saxophone craze. Now

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I take like to take a few minutes here to

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>talk about self playing saxophones, Like how you begin this

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:26.240
<v Speaker 1>like a like now word from our sponsor? Well, because

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I have to. I feel like I have to sort

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 1>of set it apart from what we've been talking about

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>because the idea we've talked about how organic it is

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, it's this expression of the human spirit.

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>So it seems kind of also make it a soulless

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 1>mechanical thing. Yeah, it's see it seems like an exercise

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.320
<v Speaker 1>in tira need to do that, doesn't it? But m

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 1>but there there were a self playing saxophones, and and

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>i'd like, I'd like to come back and discuss self

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:56.040
<v Speaker 1>playing musical instrument technology in the future because because there

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>is quite a lot to cover. Again, the Fabulous Musical

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Instrument Museum and NEX Arizona. They have an entire room

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>dedicated to everything from player pianos to musical boxes, uh,

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>to automated umpah bands and and of course the self

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>playing sacks. So the Musical Instrument Museum they identify the

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth and early twentie centuries as the golden age

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of mechanical music. There were a lot of efforts at

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>this point to just to take the automation technology and

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 1>apply it to just about anything. And we and this

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 1>is where we see the automatic saxophone. Now, I don't

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>think this qualifies as a true Sacks, but you had this,

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 1>uh essentially a toy, a toy instrument known as the

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>play a Sacks role operated musical instrument. And it was

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen thirties invention patented by Henry oh Dratten NG.

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And it was it was mainly intended for amusement. It

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>was something of a of a toy. It looks like

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a saxophone wearing a jet pack. Yeah, like a simplified saxophone.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a toy sack xophone. Uh and uh.

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>And this is some information. This is from the patent

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>which is via basic Sacks dot info and Google patents quote.

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:12.319
<v Speaker 1>The sacks measures twelve inches with a two and three

0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>fourth inch diameter horn. The music rolls and these, of course,

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>so we're talking about rolls of paper that contain the information. Uh.

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.640
<v Speaker 1>These music roles are perforated and measure about four inches wide.

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>The rolls wrap around the front of the sacks to

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>play sixteen notes through the sixteen slotted openings. Put the

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.920
<v Speaker 1>music roll on, turn the crank, and breathe. The sacks

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 1>play sixteen note perforated music rolls with accompanying chords. Now, wait,

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>were you able to find what this sounds like? I

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 1>did not run across the recording of it, but I

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>think we can all kind of imagine a mechanical toy

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 1>saxophone sound, probably more in keeping with the sort of

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:56.200
<v Speaker 1>toy saxophones that a child might possess today. You know,

0:45:56.280 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 1>if only this like so, imagine the old wests Lune

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>where you walk in and the player piano is going

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>or wait, is that actually a thing? Usually actually there's

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 1>a human at the piano in the saloon, isn't there, Well,

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 1>unless there's a player piano and okay, well I'm just

0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 1>saying maybe that should have been replaced by a player

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>like an automatic saxophone. We'll have to come back to

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the player piano. I think there's a whole uh, I mean,

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>we can do a whole episode on the pianos as well.

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Imagine automatic saxophone playing in the background in the confrontation

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:32.280
<v Speaker 1>scene at the end of Unforgiven. Now, of course, today

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>we also have digital saxophones, such as one model I

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>was looking at the Rowland a ten digital saxophone which

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 1>actually utilizes both accurate fingering and a breath sensor. Um

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>this in a so that the idea here's you. You

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 1>get this this instrument and you can play the saxophone

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>with headphones on that are you know, that are hooked

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>up to the instrument itself. Oh, I see. So it

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 1>looks it looks like a rather interesting piece of technology.

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 1>And this is not a toy. This is a high

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 1>priced item I'm talking about. You can find plenty of

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 1>videos of people demonstrating them online. And of course this

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>is in addition to synthetic sacks sounds that one might

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 1>produce via synthesizer. Now we're talking about like high tech

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>upgrades to the saxophone. But it goes in the other

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.720
<v Speaker 1>direction to doesn't it? Oh yeah, now remember yeah, remember

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Sax's original saxophone wasn't brass. But would

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>well you find the bamboo variations of the saxophone have

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.280
<v Speaker 1>popped up in parts of the world where the sax's

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>influence was felt, but materials or funds prevented everyone from

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>from grabbing a horn. And it's not just saxophone. You

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 1>also find uh, um, you know, wooden tubas, wooden trumpets, etcetera.

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 1>And there are several examples of this at the Musical

0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Instrument Museum in Phoenix. Now it's easy to think of

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 1>these is just mere um, you know, um crude replicas

0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of of the saxophone itself or whatever horn they're they're

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:04.800
<v Speaker 1>they're modeled on. But there's actually one called the Maui

0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Zephoon that has actually picked up quite a following all

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>its own. And uh and I actually looked up some

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 1>videos of individuals playing this and it can sound quite

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 1>good in proper hands. It's essentially just a small wooden saxophon.

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't quite look like a saxophone. It kind of looks

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:24.200
<v Speaker 1>more like a clarinet, but it has kind of a

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>saxophone sound. To it, at least when the individuals uh

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 1>testing it out, we're playing it. You know. One of

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the things we've talked about sometime a few times on

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 1>stuff to plow your mind is um the idea of

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:44.799
<v Speaker 1>sort of like expanding our sell our self image of

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the schema of the body to include tools that we

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 1>use a lot and really start to incorporate into the self.

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.160
<v Speaker 1>So like, if you you use a tool enough, you

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 1>find ways to start to think of it almost as

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 1>a part of your own body. You think about it

0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>the same way you think of your hands or your feet,

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.280
<v Speaker 1>And um, yeah, I wonder if the same thing happens

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 1>with people who use musical instruments enough, I would imagine.

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, I remember hearing UM like an

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>interview with who is at Doc Severerson. Uh, there's a

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Tonight show back in the day, and he was talking

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 1>about like just how you know a professional trumpet here,

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>like how often they practice, And it's like there's an

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 1>intimacy with it that they only they are privy to,

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:27.759
<v Speaker 1>like talking about like if they skip, you know, if

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>they skip a practice, they skip a day of playing it.

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.359
<v Speaker 1>You get into the zone where no one else can

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>notice that you haven't practiced, but you notice it like

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 1>there's an you know, it's just part of the intimacy

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>with the tool um. And then when you get into

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.319
<v Speaker 1>the like the neurological zone too, it's it's interesting to

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 1>sort of tease apart like where, you know, where, where

0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>does the instrumentation really take place in the brain. Uh,

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a fascinating study that came out in

0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.240
<v Speaker 1>concerning a music teacher by the name of Dan Fabio

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>who had a brain tumor removed from part of the

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 1>brain associated with music. And the physicians involved here they

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>actually had him play his saxophone during part of the procedure.

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.399
<v Speaker 1>How can you do that? Well, it was apparently quite

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>challenging for two main reasons. So first of all, he

0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:18.840
<v Speaker 1>was on his side during the procedure and then also

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>deep breathing, as is typical for many sacks numbers. They

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<v Speaker 1>were concerned that it might cause his exposed brain to

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<v Speaker 1>essentially protrude from his skull. What which is alone? What? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>That that alone, I was a reason I just had

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<v Speaker 1>to include this, the idea of someone potentially it didn't happen,

0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:43.839
<v Speaker 1>but potentially like playing their saxophones, so passionately that their

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<v Speaker 1>brain pops out of their skull. That is metal. That

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<v Speaker 1>is so good. Yeah. The people in Cannibal Corps now

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<v Speaker 1>were like, well, I want my brain to pop out

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<v Speaker 1>of my skull. Well, you know, I was thinking along

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<v Speaker 1>these lines, and I was like, why don't we hear

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<v Speaker 1>saxophones in metal? The thing is, now, you do hear saxophone,

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and there are a lot of metal acts out. There's

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<v Speaker 1>aetially experimental metal acts that are utilizing the saxophone. There's

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.480
<v Speaker 1>a band for everything. Now, if you can think it up,

0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:12.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a band that does it. Somebody's done it. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>They did not want his brain to protrude from his

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<v Speaker 1>skull anymore than it was during the procedure he was awake. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So he actually worked with his surgeon though prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the UH to the to the procedure, and they selected

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 1>a Korean folk song for him to play that would

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<v Speaker 1>only require shallow breaths so he wouldn't have to like

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<v Speaker 1>really you know, belt it in there uh. And he

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<v Speaker 1>would also, in addition to um using the saxophone, he

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<v Speaker 1>would also hum and repeat notes during the procedure, so

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just the saxophone. Now, once the tumor was removed,

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the surgeons brought over the sacks. He performed flawlessly, and

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<v Speaker 1>he completely recovered and returned to teaching music within a

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<v Speaker 1>few months. And this procedure has apparently helped define the

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>relation between the different parts of the brain that are

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 1>responsible from music and language processing. So, yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>had to include an anecdote about neuroscience and the saxophone. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as we close out here, it's probably time in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode that we discussed kenneg does KENEGI? I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>picture him. Does he look a little bit like weird al? Yeah,

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean a little bit, I think maybe does he

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<v Speaker 1>have like weird al type hair? Uh? He does? Or did? Yes?

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.479
<v Speaker 1>He's notable here, however, because at least for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>he had the world record for the longest note um

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:35.359
<v Speaker 1>recorded using the saxophone. So let's do this. So how

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>long did it go? Like three minutes? Well, in uh

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Kinegi apparently set the Guinness World record when he held

0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>his note in e flat for forty five minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven seconds on his saxophone. Wait a second, how

0:52:50.440 --> 0:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>do you do that? Well, Vias, Something that's known as

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 1>circular breathing. So this is a method employed by players

0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 1>of various wood instruments, saxophone included. Does this a continuous

0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.120
<v Speaker 1>tone for a long long time. So they simply store

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.040
<v Speaker 1>air in their cheeks and then slowly release it while

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:10.200
<v Speaker 1>still breathing at the same time. And it's not it's

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 1>not easy, and it apparently hurts the player's lungs and

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>lips to do this, but it's the technique that is

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 1>employed when you see these like crazy world records for

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>sustained notes with woodwinds. So for a while this held

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the record, and then February two thousand Van Birchfield set

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<v Speaker 1>a new Guinness World record holding one continuous note for

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven minutes six seconds. And then Mark Atkins played

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>the DIGREYD Concerto in for over fifty minutes continuously. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>in May seventeen, a Nigerian saxophonist, Fimi Kutie broke Mark

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Atkins record by playing a single note for fifty one

0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 1>minutes and thirty eight seconds. So that's uh so, who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the first to break an hour? Oh?

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This This is of seventeen based on

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:01.360
<v Speaker 1>some of the research that Scott, Benjamin and um carried

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<v Speaker 1>out for us here. So I think this is the

0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the current Uh, this is the current data. But by

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 1>the time this this episode is published, who knows, there

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>could be a new longest note. Oubt there a new

0:54:12.840 --> 0:54:17.359
<v Speaker 1>record breaking saxophone is changing our understanding of just how

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<v Speaker 1>long a note can be sustained. Thinking about this hurts me. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>So there you have it. We we kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>into the weeds a little bit here at the end.

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.720
<v Speaker 1>But uh, but but the saxophone, it's again an instrument

0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I felt like we had to cover because it has,

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:35.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, a definite inventor. Um, it's a it's it's

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:37.680
<v Speaker 1>a it's a recent invention, and yet one that has

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>just become such a part of the modern world, the

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 1>modern musical world. You know, certainly in the West, that

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 1>it's difficult to imagine it's absence. Yeah, and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>just because it has such a contentious history, you would

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<v Speaker 1>not have expected such a thing for a musical instrument. Yeah,

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it seems like this would be this would surely be

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<v Speaker 1>the product of polite society. But it was obvious say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But now, like I said, we'd love to cover more

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<v Speaker 1>musical inventions in the future, more bits of musical technology,

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and we'd love to hear from everyone out there. You know,

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 1>what would you like it's to cover? Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>you want us to go uh in the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>more ancient musical instruments. Do you want us to go

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<v Speaker 1>with with other more modern creations like the theorem and

0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>that we mentioned. We're really open for anything. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the beauty of the show. Oh, that might be

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<v Speaker 1>a fun one. One of the few inventions I can

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<v Speaker 1>really justify a link to a discussion of ed Wood.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Um, and hey, if you want to check

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