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Speaker 1: Greetings and welcome in another beautiful Fox Sports Sunday Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Long before the sun goes up here on

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Speaker 1: the West Coast, team is assembled and doing their best

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Speaker 1: to get themselves fully caffeinated. All right, we're here in body,

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Speaker 1: in spirit, mine still sittaps is firing. Mike Carbon alongside

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Speaker 1: my guy. Ryan Hollands is a decade in the league,

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Speaker 1: UCLA brewing proud one day. You know, you got the

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Speaker 1: autographed card up in the office, and of course working

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Speaker 1: with the Rockets these days. He's got a podcast. We'll

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Speaker 1: get into that as we go on. Ryan, what's going on, brother,

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Speaker 1: Happy Sunday morning to you.

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Speaker 2: What's up brother, Good to catch up with you man.

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Speaker 1: How you been well? Now we're to the to the finals.

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Speaker 1: When when last week spoke, we were in the midst

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Speaker 1: of the Lakers well, getting swept out of things. So

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Speaker 1: now we move on and onwards and upwards towards the

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Speaker 1: game two of these NBA finals. We talked heard Monsei

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Speaker 1: in the update with the Stanley Cup Final. I had

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Speaker 1: all the pomp and circumstance and pageantry there in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: all the showmanship before you kick things off, including Michael Buffer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the let's get I can't finish the phrase because he

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Speaker 1: will sue me no matter what time of day it is.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I immediately had to do Ryan

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Speaker 1: as I saw him sitting up there, It's like I

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Speaker 1: had to look at how old he was? Like how

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Speaker 1: old is Michael Buffer these days? Because he's a guy

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Speaker 1: that's like a fixture in our lives going back many

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Speaker 1: many years, many television and movie appearances. And there he was.

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Speaker 1: You want to take a guess.

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Speaker 3: I would say in his sixties.

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Speaker 1: Seventy eight, spry years young, wow and getting after it's done.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's me. He's been old for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But well, but he's like a lot of these that

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Speaker 1: you see, as the hell is that guy? I don't

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Speaker 1: know he's been He looked like he's seventy. I mean

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Speaker 1: Wilford Brimley, right, I'm rapidly approaching my Wilford Brimley line.

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Speaker 1: And for all of you out there across America listening,

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Speaker 1: wherever you may be, you may want to do the

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Speaker 1: calculation yourself because maybe it'll feel you'll feel better about

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Speaker 1: where you are looking and into the mirror. On a

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Speaker 1: given day, the Wilford Brimley line is what do you

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Speaker 1: look like when you hit the Wilford Brimley age that

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Speaker 1: he was when cocun was released? And would you believe this,

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Speaker 1: Wilford Brimley was only like fifty years old when Cocoon

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Speaker 1: was released, and everybody's sitting out there and maybe you're

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Speaker 1: thinking about him, going I'm Wilford Brimley and I'm here

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about diabetes, or maybe you remember

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Speaker 1: the show on Sunday Sunday Evenings that he had all

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Speaker 1: those years ago. Yeah, all of those things go through,

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Speaker 1: but when you had the the Cocoon line. So for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming up in the next year or so, and

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Speaker 1: I dare say, looking into a mirror, I'm holding up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: internally maybe a different thing, you know, the the doctors

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Speaker 1: There's actually a website for it because he was fifty years,

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Speaker 1: nine months and six days when Cocoon was released.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of owing to the fact of guys that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I gotta confess it. As a kid, I thought that

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Speaker 2: and Clyde jack Slid just figure those those were like

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Speaker 2: the rooftop off man. They just there was no shame.

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Speaker 2: They just let it go.

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Speaker 1: The poster child for that used to be Granville Waiters.

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of hyperbole, a lot of talk the

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Speaker 1: And you know what, sometimes, as Kevin Durant once said

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Speaker 1: so brilliantly, if you don't like it, don't watch, all right,

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Speaker 1: If you don't like the like to me, this is

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Speaker 1: then Denver, Yes, you've got the head of the snake

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Speaker 1: is Jokic, two time MVP argument arguing you could have

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Speaker 1: rotation fantastic. But it's all about what they're doing when

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Speaker 1: they don't have the ball, right, It's all about the cuts,

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Speaker 1: that thing work. So all of the why is this

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Speaker 1: it because I just find it entertaining. Like if you

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Speaker 1: like basketball, you've grabbed a beer and some popcorn or

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Speaker 2: Well, well, here to answer your first question. If you're

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Speaker 2: gonna make this series exciting, I think you got to

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Speaker 2: have close games. That's any sporting event I would I

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Speaker 2: would assume the last two minutes you get some fireworks

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Speaker 2: in those last two minutes, you get some big shots,

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Speaker 2: clutch shots hit, we would have something to talk about.

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Speaker 2: And I think, no matter how slow the whole game

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Speaker 2: you're right, the basketball is avont to love what's going on.

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Speaker 2: You got ball movement, you got team play. Everybody was

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Speaker 2: complaining both the super team and we don't want to

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Speaker 2: see Lebron and step again. And you know you got

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Speaker 2: tired of that. So that's the that is what you

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Speaker 2: know established you know you're not seeing the durrect Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Butler and jokicch I would say this is where everyone's

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Speaker 3: You can argue Jimmy for the for the bubble, right,

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Speaker 3: but would you agree here?

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Speaker 1: No one? And even going back to the bubble, the

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Speaker 1: going to be fun to me. But the fact is,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got to your point about Steph and Lebron,

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Speaker 1: I don't want Lebron getting another one for the Warriors.

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Speaker 1: I remember the love and affection of something Dan and

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Speaker 1: that got tired of it fast. I had a little

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Speaker 1: But the problem is when you keep asking what's next, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you don't appreciate what's going on. But the other is,

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Speaker 1: you've got these teams, like Joki is an interesting guy,

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Speaker 1: With Miami, Yeah, they've been in these situation a lot

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Speaker 1: of conference finals runs. I equated a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: Ethan's a Philly guy, you know, going back to how

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Speaker 1: we don't I don't think properly appreciate from the NFL side,

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Speaker 1: them in position for great things every year. Did they

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Speaker 1: NFC title game, A bunch. They were playing for major stakes,

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Speaker 1: a bunch. And it's funny where we draw those lines

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Speaker 1: in history, Ryan of which teams like that we celebrate

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Speaker 2: No, No, you're right about that, and I think you

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Speaker 2: have to look back and I think, just you're right,

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Speaker 2: just appreciate teams. A lot of the teams they aren't appreciated.

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't. You don't think about it until

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Speaker 2: later on. And remember just the big uproar the super teams.

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Speaker 2: It's not fair. Nobody wants to see it. It's not

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Speaker 2: good for the game. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: there's no stars in it. Maybe we don't like it.

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Speaker 2: And I think to another point you made, I think

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Speaker 2: it was an excellent point. The NBA goes in trends,

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Speaker 2: there's someone that breaks the mold and then everybody catches up.

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Speaker 2: And I think not to say that Golden State wasn't tough,

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Speaker 2: but what you're seeing in the finals right now, you're

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Speaker 2: seeing teams that shoot the three, I mean stroke the three. Okay,

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Speaker 2: shoot it extremely well, move off the ball. But there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of toughness and Golden State. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to say they did it without toughness, but for a while,

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're just shooting was extraordinary on top of

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Speaker 2: the toughness. But I think that's the biggest thing that

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Speaker 2: you see. A lot of teams said, well, we want

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Speaker 2: to shoot threes and we'll sacrifice, you know, the toughness

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Speaker 2: for the three. Some team said that, not saying Golden

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Speaker 2: State in particular. And now you're seeing the tougher teams

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Speaker 2: and you're going, oh, hell, these undrafted guys get in

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Speaker 2: this situation because they're tougher than you are, they work harder,

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Speaker 2: they're hungry, and they can really really shoot the basket.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's gonna be the trend we'll see

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Speaker 2: in the NBA moving forward. But that was a great point,

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Speaker 2: going well, well, people didn't like what they saw. They

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Speaker 2: so bad saying those three pointers the first time around.

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Speaker 1: Now that's it. Stuff will pivot. I mean, how many

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Speaker 1: times now do you go into all right, let's review it,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a flager or not. You've broadcast for the Rockets.

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Speaker 1: How many times did you sit there and start staring

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Speaker 1: at your watch with reviews trying was that an advert?

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Speaker 1: You know? Did he hit him with an elbow? Did

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Speaker 1: he catch him?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: certainly point of emphasis going forward. But to Malone's point

431
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: about at a BYO, if he's going to take that

432
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: many shots and that's the efficiency level, I think you're

433
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: feeling pretty good if you're the Denver Nuggets.

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Speaker 3: No, you do. And here's the thing.

435
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Defensively, what you want to do in today's NBA, and

436
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: especially against a team like Miami, what you do is

437
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: you force contested twos. That's the lowest percentage shot in

438
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 2: the NBA. Obviously you can probably say contested three. But

439
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 2: you want to run those shooters off the line. And

440
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: then you want to have to have them have to

441
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: make shots over your hand. And I know this is

442
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: going to sound crazy, but when you take an NBA

443
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: player and you make them have to score over your

444
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: contested hand, a lot of guys can't do it. A

445
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: lot of guys are looking for open shots. So defensively,

446
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: you run them off the three and you force those

447
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: contested twos, and you're going to say, hey, Bam, you

448
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: know we're gonna contest your jumpers, but we're gonna concede him.

449
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: We're not to the point where we have to absolutely

450
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: take it away and you're in a pick your poisoned

451
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: type of scenario. And because Jokic will play in the drop,

452
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: which means he's not at the level, he'll kind of

453
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: sack back. Those are the shots that are available because

454
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 2: he's saying, well, Bam, I know you're gonna be dunking

455
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: all over me if I get out of position. So

456
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna force those, you know, those floaters, the fifteen footers,

457
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: and he can make those shots, but they're gonna say, well, Bam,

458
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: can you make them like Jimmy Butler makes them? Are

459
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: you gonna go out and score fifty points? Because it's

460
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Speaker 2: gonna take a Bam out of Bio fifty point outing

461
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: before we go out and figure that, we've got to

462
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: switch our defense around to guard you, you know, And ultimately,

463
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's on Bam. I think Jimmy Butler's

464
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 2: got to be the guy that draws too man. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got his work cut out.

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Speaker 1: No, and that's it right. He was six or fourteen

467
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: in the game, a minus seventeen, finished with just thirteen points.

468
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Speaker 1: But as we started the show, Ryan and talking about

469
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Speaker 1: the way this team teams built all the undrafted players,

470
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: because those are some of the cool narratives that you

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00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: start getting into again and offering hope to some of

472
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: those youth parents out there the more they see of it.

473
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Speaker 1: But just the idea that you've got a couple of

474
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Speaker 1: stars in Butler and at a bio and I've heard

475
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation because we love to rank stuff

476
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Speaker 1: and decide which bucket we're putting guys in. I don't know,

477
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: effective team basketball is effective team basketball. And that's the

478
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Speaker 1: Miami Heat. As much as folks want to denigrate the

479
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: word culture, I think it's something to hold up in

480
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: a day and age where everything's so portable and guys

481
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: move all over. I mean, how much do you hear

482
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler talk about how much he loves Miami and

483
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Speaker 1: what they're building there, as opposed to feeling like it's

484
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Speaker 1: going to be torn apart at the next turn, like

485
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Speaker 1: so many other NBA teams along the way, but trying

486
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Speaker 1: to find that secondary answer to your point about you know,

487
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: shooting over guys flashing towards the perimeter. If Martin Streuss

488
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: and going back to Duncan Robinson and Tyler hero I

489
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: have no idea what to expect here, right being cagy

490
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: about his availability. We get the shots of him at practice, etc.

491
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: As a guy who still you remember I had that

492
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: broken hand and surgery and everything. It's still is very

493
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: tender to the touch a full year later. Can only

494
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: imagine what Tyler Heroes going through at this moment. But

495
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: unless those guys catch a little bit of fire, and

496
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: they were a low scoring team in the regular season

497
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: as it were, as many things as we can point

498
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: to from the box score or flow of the game

499
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: from towards the stretch run from Miami, they are gonna

500
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: give you a full forty eight minutes. But unless those

501
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: guys start catching fire from three in this in this series,

502
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like they have enough firepower to

503
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: keep up.

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00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's gonna be tough. And the problem is

505
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: is Miami can out Miami. Just They've out Miami just

506
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: about every team that they played. When I say when

507
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: I when I mean out Miami, they've out tough teams.

508
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: They out tough Milwaukee, They definitely out tough to Boston.

509
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: They just they played hard, they defended, and they let

510
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: the other teams implode. But the thing is Mike Malone

511
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: and company they built culture over there too.

512
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

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00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: He's able to scrutinize his stars. You see, he'll be

514
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: critical of Murray, be critical of Jokic to you know,

515
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: some people's dismay. But Mike Malone is saying, we're tough too.

516
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: You're not gonna just out out tough us. That's not

517
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: gonna work. And I think that's where Miami's kind of

518
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: struggling because they're going, man, not only do they have Jokis,

519
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: they got kind of stars like they're disciplined also, so

520
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: what's you know, what is going on here? You know?

521
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: And that's making that tough outing where Miami was just

522
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: kind of finding a way because they were able to

523
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: frustrate you know, Boston per say and say, well, Jason Tata, man,

524
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: we're holding you to five points, we're holding you to

525
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: eight points. Are you gonna be a pastor? Are you

526
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: gonna or you're gonna do those other things. And you

527
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: know he played great, but it kind of got out

528
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: of the you know, the team DNA or you're you're

529
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 2: forcing guys to do things they don't want to do.

530
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: And a team like Denver is selfless. They don't their

531
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: star doesn't care if he gets the points or doesn't

532
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: you know where other guys may.

533
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, their.

534
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Team doesn't work functional, functionally or properly. If you're not

535
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: getting the points where you say I can have five

536
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 2: points in more, Murray can go, well, I'm not ten points,

537
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: but if you need me in the fourth quarter, I'm ready.

538
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: I'm not going to press anything. So when you win championships,

539
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: you have to be able to win and play different styles.

540
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: And Denver doesn't mind playing, so they don't mind grinding

541
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: with you. Or if they got to score, they got

542
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: two guys who can actually put them up man and

543
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: and and that's what's becoming tough right now for Miami.

544
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: You're watching that they're not you know, they're not folding

545
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: at these in these opportunities.

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00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Well, just remember, got to pay your dues. You want

547
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: to sing the blues, you know it don't come easy

548
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: because It's not always gonna flow, no question about it.

549
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing about the Heat that's been

550
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: fun to watch. And I think Michael Malone keeps raising

551
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: his hand to say, hey, hey, we do the same

552
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: things over here. Don't forget about me just because you

553
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: don't watch us in Mountain time. See he's Ryan Hollins

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00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: on Mike Carbon Here. It's Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: dot com. Slash match, well, we have Stanley Cup Final action,

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00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: We've got NBA Finals Game two, and then we've got

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00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: the big emotional roller coaster that is Dodgers Yankees here

562
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: to talk about it all. It's Mancy belangyas with what's trending? Hi,

563
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: Mantzi Hi.

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00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 5: I was like, am I the emotional roller coaster? Is

565
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: that what he said? I really was like it. Use right.

566
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: I'm a little tired today.

567
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: I'm kind of.

568
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 5: Doing a double duty between Fox and Dodgers. The Yage

569
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: series so a little tired day.

570
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: And I walked in looking a little tired today, and

571
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: so I really was like.

572
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to rally, and she looked at me

573
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: like I was insane. I thought she was gonna kill me. Right,

574
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: you should have seen this. You should have seen the

575
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: video of it.

576
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 5: Oh, it's early, it's early, fellas yes.

577
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: Game two of the NBA Finals tips off tonight at

578
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Speaker 4: a PM Eastern time. Michael Malone yesterday said that he

579
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 4: was actually not happy with Game one, even though the

580
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: Nuggets won. He said that they that he doesn't think

581
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: the team played well and that he reminded them if

582
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: you think Max Truez is gonna go oh for nine

583
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: and that Duncan Robinson is gonna go one for five again,

584
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: you are wrong. He also mentioned that they need to

585
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: play better defense in the fourth quarter, giving up thirty

586
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: points to Miami. So he was not happy even though

587
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 4: they won.

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00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 5: And you mentioned it.

589
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: Caleb Martin missed practiced yesterday with an illness, but it's

590
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 4: not a COVID related situation, so hopefully he's okay for

591
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: a Game two. No update yet. The Stanley Cup Final

592
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: began on Saturday night. It was the Panthers taking on

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00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: the Golden Knights. The Panthers scored their first goal in

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00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: less than ten minutes into the game, but it did

595
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: not matter. Vegas came alive.

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00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 5: They won.

597
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: Game one, five to two was the final score in

598
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: Major League base by Yes, the Yankees are visiting the Dodgers.

599
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: It's a three game series. Game one was all Dodgers.

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00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: Aaron Judge in Game one went zero for.

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: Four, so you know he had to step up his

602
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: game for Game two.

603
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Weld one hit in the air deep down the left

604
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: field line.

605
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: It is god home run. Alan Judge has left the building.

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00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Judge with a longliner number nineteen on the season for

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00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: the captain. Yankees are going yard here in Hollywood. It's

608
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: five to one.

609
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 5: Bombers Yankee's radio networking on the call.

610
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: The final score was Yankees six Dodgers three. There's game

611
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 4: three today. Aaron Judge also had a ridiculous catch. I

612
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys saw it. He literally broke

613
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: the fence over in the right field right at the bullpen.

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00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: That's six seven and a lot of speed running.

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00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 5: You can't get right exactly exactly exactly, So I'm not

616
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 5: mad at it. I was like, yeah, that dude can't stop.

617
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: Of course, not the best even baseball. The Race split

618
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 5: their double header.

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00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: On Saturday against the Red Sox, losing Game one eight

620
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: to five after Boston came back scored six runs in

621
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 4: the sixth inning, But it was Tampa Bay who came

622
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: back in the second Game one thanks to a tie

623
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: breaking two run double by Harold Ramirez in the ninth inning,

624
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: and the Rays defeated the Red Sox four to two.

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00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: Back to you guys, thanks, I'm waking up. I'm waking up.

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00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: It's all good. Sunday mornings. You know, they come in

627
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: and the guys have been here overnight. Monsie comes in, like,

628
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: come on, we get to do great things today.

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Speaker 5: We did alone, Not not exactly, but yes.

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00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 6: Well I can't say I can only say so much

631
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 6: on the air wings because we always appreciate the infectious

632
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 6: energy and laughter.

633
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: So just trying to bring that out ry. Yeah, like

634
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: sometimes it needs a little bit of coaxing.

635
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 5: Love it, love it, no problem, get it.

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00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's of stuff and got us a tight browler

637
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: a coffee.

638
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's probably what I need it to do.

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00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: You know what I might might need to call to

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00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: the bullpen and get someone to go get us safe.

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00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: I support that. I support all those decisions.

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00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can figure that out. That's Monsei Belagas.

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00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: Mike Carmen, Ryan Hollins with you here live Fromthetyraq dot

644
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: com studios, and coming up next we'll stay with in

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00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. Talk a little more about Michael Malone

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Speaker 1: since you know him so well. Ryan. In terms of

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Speaker 1: coaching style, Montsey had a couple of the quotes from

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Speaker 1: his press availability. You know, ABC, as much as we

649
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: celebrate all of the always be closing mentality, there isn't

650
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: always be coaching the meth to the madness. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about it next year on Fox. Welcome back in It's

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00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: with you here this fine morning, getting ready for Game

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00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: two of your NBA Finals. We've already got action overseas

659
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: on the clay as we're watching things unfold. We've got

660
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: some PGA rolling up in a couple of weeks Byer

661
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: and I will be live. They're gonna let me run

662
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: around the US Open. I don't think that's well advised,

663
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: but we'll see what kind of chaos I can create

664
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: their Ryan exactly now. I'm not hitting any balls, so

665
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm gonna be hitting strays that that

666
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: may wound anybody. Hit them along and straight. That's why

667
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I stay on the putting greens as much as I can,

668
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: less damage to be incurred there. But Michael Malone, some

669
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: of the comments during Monte Belania's update, you know, talking

670
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: about the dissatisfactor with game one, Well, yeah, you haven't won.

671
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I believe he used a word that would be safe

672
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: on the radio, but it is Sunday morning, so we'll

673
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: edit it a little bit. But just saying, hey, we

674
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: haven't wont anything yet. And if you go back to

675
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: that Game one, right, to all the secondary players that

676
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: we spoke of that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn,

677
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: well you don't expect that. Again, you don't expect them

678
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: to hit at the clip right. We're trying to figure

679
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: out where water finds its level here between the hot

680
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: shooting and the drek that was Game one, but the

681
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: effort down the stretch, that is something that I believe

682
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: Michael Malone has seen a lot over the course of

683
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: the year with these Denver Nuggets of having a lead

684
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: and then maybe getting a little bit too comfortable. Right

685
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: spread on that game was eight and a half. There

686
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: was a little eight or eight and a half. It

687
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: was got a little anxious there for a minute inside

688
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: of two minutes you could see maybe someone had at

689
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: least cracked the door open with another possession and a

690
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: made shot. Well, then Miami goes down missus missus a

691
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: three the other way, and then they have another possession

692
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: and on to drive, the ball goes off the thigh.

693
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: So the spread gets preserved as well as the double

694
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: digit victory. But those little things of the devil in

695
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: the details, as it were, is how you become a champion,

696
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: and Michael Malone making sure that none of those are

697
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: getting left unattended.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing you know, we've heard for a

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00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: long time, Coach Malone harp on is the consistency, And

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00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: there have been moments where the Nuggets have not been

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00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: consistent and he does not want to see his team

702
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: take a step backwards, and he knows what's at hand.

703
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: So the one thing he does ass is, you know,

704
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: there are moments where Jokic offensively may not take over,

705
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: he may not be as aggressive. He wants him to

706
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: stay aggressive. He wants Jamal Murray to still focus defensively

707
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: and be better because he knows what he brings to

708
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: you on offense. And you know, coach Malone knows his team.

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00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: You don't take anything from that. He knows his team.

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: And you know, for Eric Spolstra a lot of times,

711
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, for those who don't have experienced that first

712
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: game of the playoffs, it's what you see it, Mike,

713
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: it's a fill out game.

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00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: So he's saying, we're on the road. He knows Spoe's

715
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: playing with house money, and if they lose this next game,

716
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: that shifts the series. You gotta win those first two

717
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: at home. He knows how important this second game is.

718
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: And if you relax and you lose the second one, dude,

719
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 3: that could literally be the NBA Finals loss.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was it going through. And I think for

721
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: Spolster and company, and certainly as we were doing it live,

722
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: Smith and I at the after game one finished, and

723
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: even as it was going on, they only had eight turnovers,

724
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: They only shot two free throws all your ancillary players.

725
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: As we talked about two of twenty three from the

726
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: guys you were anticipating making a dent in the scorecard.

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00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: Now at a bio. If I don't want him taking

728
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: twenty five shots in any game, right, that's one of

729
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: those If I see that again, I will I'll assume

730
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: the loss there. If he's got twenty five shots Ryan,

731
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: either that or they have dominated the glass to a

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00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: ridiculous proportion.

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Speaker 2: Well, Bam is better finishing, but he has to be

734
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: extremely aggressive in this series because he's got to make

735
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: Yokic work. But you're right, you want Jimmy Butler taking

736
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: over and distributing and Bam catching those libs, getting behind

737
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: the defense and knocking down open shots. You want him just,

738
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: you know, doing just about everything. But if you're gonna

739
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: ask Bam just to score, that means your shooters aren't

740
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: getting looks. That means the ball is likely not moving

741
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: because everything is slowing down. But you know, hey, that's

742
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 2: part of playoff basketball right now. So you're absolutely right.

743
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: You know you are gonna say, hey, go out and

744
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: beat me, you know, beat me with your offense.

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00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 3: Bam.

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00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: And that's no disrespect to say he can't score to basketball,

747
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: but it's he does so many other things that make

748
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: this team good.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins with me here, Mike Garmin, Fox Sports Radios,

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00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Sunday. A lot of activity on the sidelines.

751
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: We'll figure out whether Ryan Hollins is going to join

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00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: a staff here at some point. That's one of the

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00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Archie questions. But the sound you may hear faintly in

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: the background is the backup of a truck. You know

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00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: that you're piercing beep, beep, beep, And that's the Brins

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: truck that's showing up for Monti Williams and heading eventually

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00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: the moving trucks to take him to Detroit. So much

758
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: in the coaching carousel, assistant coaches and new hires, well

759
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: some of the same old names just in different places.

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00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: What does it all mean to the carousel of the

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Speaker 1: NBA for twenty twenty three, twenty four. We'll start getting

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00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: into that coming up next hour at Swallendome. Where you

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00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: find me at the Ryan Hollins over on Twitter. We

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Speaker 1: got you here. It's Fox Sports Sunday at Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: Greetings and welcome in. Here we are our two of

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins with me here. Ten years in the league,

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Speaker 1: working around the league, coaching some AAU He's at every level,

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Speaker 1: and doing a podcast now talking about the introductory years

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Speaker 1: to the NBA lifestyle. What's the guests that really opened

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Speaker 1: your eyes on your podcast?

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Speaker 3: Ryan oh Man, goodness, you.

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Speaker 1: Just had that whoa what did you just say? Kind

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00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: of moment.

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00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: Austin Rivers was really good man. I like what Austin

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00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: had to say. I got a guess I hadn't revealed

781
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: coming up, but I got some cool stuff coming I'll

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00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: say that, but I'd say, Man, Austin was really good Man.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'll say one of those things with Austin.

784
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: Don't be surprised you hear it from me. If he

785
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: wants to go into media like when he finishes like

786
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: he can do it like, don't be surprised. And obviously

787
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: being we talked about Doc earlier, being Doc's son, he

788
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: knows how to speak. But all sure, Austin's really good man.

789
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: He's really good at what he does, not just basketball,

790
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: but he's very intriguing man.

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00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 3: He can he can talk.

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00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: So it's the Rookie Life iHeartRadio podcast that you can

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00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: find there. I had to in my brain and immediately

794
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: started syncing up to the Did you ask him about

795
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Game seven's and what he would do? No, that's just

796
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: cruel and unusual for Austin rivers along the way, but

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00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean an interesting road traveled. You know, coaches sons,

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00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: we sons of stars. We certainly uh talked a lot

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00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: about Scottie Pippen in the last couple of weeks as

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00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: he lashes out against his former teammate, perhaps for the

801
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: the sins of the Sun, but we'll we'll leave that

802
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: for another time. Ryan, as we float through it's Game

803
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: two of the NBA Finals later on today, game one

804
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: blowout scenario earlier early and then you see the fun

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00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter of a Miami's gonna play until

806
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: a final whistle and something we talked about with Michael

807
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: Malone recognizing, hey, you open the door and leave it cracked.

808
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: You know those guys are gonna come in and kick

809
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: it in. There are other teams that you wouldn't expect

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00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: that of that you expect the fold Miami, that's just

811
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: not who they are. But coaching really at the forefront

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00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: of things all week long, just one announcement after the

813
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: other of coaches finding new roles and assisting coaches and

814
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: their decisions. And one that really stands out is Manti

815
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: Williams heading over to Detroit six years seventy eight point

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00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: five million dollars and then with incentives and others, it's

817
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: estimated that it could actually top one hundred million dollars

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00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done. Fifty one years old.

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00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: We had talked about him and I'd wondered aloud with

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00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: you if he was gonna end up being the fall

821
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: guy in Phoenix. And while the answer was resounding yes.

822
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: After their exit from the playoffs and I saw this

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00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: higher and some worry about the treadmill of recycling coaches

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00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: and all those fun things, I think this is the

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00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: perfect spot for Annie Williams, right there's expectations going forward

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00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: with a young cores, but you're not at the you

827
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: have to win now like there's a much different kind

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00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: of process to it. And he's always struck me as

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00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: a guy who not that he might not be able

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00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: to get you to the finish line. Although the unceremonious

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00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: exits back to back years in what were more or

832
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: less less than stellar efforts by his squad on the court.

833
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: Now you blame player, blame the coach, figure out who

834
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: gets the bigger share, a blame pie. But always seemed

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00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: to me a guy that was a good teacher and

836
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: instructor and got to help you grow. Am I reading

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Speaker 1: that writing.

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00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: No you are Monty is definitely one of the best

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Speaker 2: and the one thing you know you want to read.

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00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of us looking to the

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00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: numbers and his deal and congratulations at the money. By

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00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: the way, that's commitment.

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00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: Well that's my guy up on the board. Man, he's

844
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: my new hero. I want to picture up on my

845
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: wall to look at.

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00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

847
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: But for a head coach in the NBA, especially with

848
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: all this turnover, it's saying commitment and you kind of

849
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 2: your front office when they when they pay a coach,

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00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: and they bring a coach in that number that the

851
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: coach gets and by name is the commitment saying we're

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00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: not going to fire you, or you know what, if

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00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: you do fire me, you gonna have to think twice

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00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: about firing me. It's not something you're gonna snap your

855
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: fingers and do. And you can kind of tell by

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00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: the deal that the coach has given, you know how

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00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: long they're going to be there, the type of power

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00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: that they have. And Detroit said, man, we're serious about winning.

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00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: We see what the Houston Rockets did giving Udoka. Do

860
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: want an excellent job over there? And I guess we

861
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: got to get serious too. So Mante's on the board.

862
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna jump all over And you know, every organization

863
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: of the league probably kind of saw these firings and

864
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: some of them are going, man, what's going on? And

865
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: you got teams like Detroit saying, hold on, this is

866
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: a come up. We get a first class coach to

867
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: lead us to the promised Land. We're gonna jump all

868
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: over this man.

869
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: Well, and that's kind of the the big thing that

870
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: pops through.

871
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: Right.

872
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: We talk about culture, and I think people are using

873
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: it for the heat as a punchline. Especially Game one,

874
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: its heat culture. It got dismantled. I saw tweets of

875
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: that nature a number of times, like, Okay, they lost

876
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: a game. It's not affecting who they are at the core.

877
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: It's not Hey, they're going through and they're going Nate

878
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: and ripping up the believe sign. There you go, I

879
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: went all ted lasso on you.

880
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: There.

881
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: You know they're not saying, hey, I'm tearing apart everything

882
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: you are. It's like, you lost a game. Your shooters

883
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't shoot well, one of your top scores is still

884
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: unavailed let due to injury. And look we're at that

885
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: point in the year where everybody's hurt. Uh and and

886
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: your stars didn't come to shine early and it got

887
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: away okay game one. But for Detroit, and I think,

888
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: given their great history, take nothing away from those years,

889
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: the Bad Boys, some of the later runs, some of

890
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: the one offs that were there. There's a bit of

891
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: a tax that needs to be paid as well. Right

892
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: to get a guy like Amani Williams that you believe

893
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: in to build that culture, It's going to cost a

894
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: little more to bring a guy in. So we start

895
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: getting into these numbers one and aim my money U

896
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: two to yours. There is the bit of a tax

897
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: to be paid by the organization if they should decide

898
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: to fire him. Right he left Phoenix, there was money

899
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: on the table, and then Detroit comes over the top

900
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: of this that all right, I got my new my

901
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: new gig, and you're giving me years and I got

902
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: a young core and all of these things that you

903
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: get to build a program. It's not a plug in play. Hey,

904
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: figure out how to get these two superstars to like

905
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: each other. And in Phoenix you hit a situation where

906
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: you made a trade for Kevin Durant that structurally changes

907
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: philosophically everything you were trying to do because you don't

908
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: have the bench anymore and depth, and now you've got

909
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: another big name to go along with others because you're

910
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: already still handling the DeAndre Ayton situation of whether he

911
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: wanted to be there and what you were going to

912
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: be able to coax out of him, And that's a

913
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: question that that goes forward still in Phoenix, Ryan, but

914
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: from Annie Williams, you're kind of giving Kurt blanche here

915
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: with a young team still going to have a high

916
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: draft pick and guys on the rise that you get

917
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: to bring along who I don't want to say haven't

918
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: earned it. But at the NBA level, you know, that's

919
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: not a fight you're you're having there in Detroit.

920
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: No, No, it is different. And listen, it's it's a

921
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: players league in the NBA. And you're right at the

922
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: end of that playoff series, you looked up and you

923
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: can say that the you know, after a blockbuster trade

924
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: for Kevin Durant, they're not gonna go, hey man, it's

925
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant's fault. He gotta go.

926
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: He's out of here.

927
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, yeah, you could pick one of

928
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: the other guys maybe, but yeah, it wasn't gonna be Durant.

929
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: No, no, and it's not gonna be the player's fault.

930
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: But you're right, you're looking in Detroit, the expectations are

931
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: get better. Bill, bring some promise here. Hey, you know,

932
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: and Monty's not going to be looked at as a

933
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: guy who hey man, you better not mess this up.

934
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: They're gonna be saying, hey, coach, what can we do

935
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: to teach us? Teach us how to play?

936
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: Coach?

937
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: You know, put put in the things that you did

938
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: to have success. Put him in over here and help

939
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: our guys develop. And I think what you have to

940
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: date back to with Monty also is when he took

941
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: that son's job and he went over it. It was

942
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: a young team, yeah, and they went undefeated in the Bubble,

943
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 2: and he brought confidence to their young players.

944
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: They played hard for him, they believed in them.

945
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: I think he did a great job with Anthony Davis,

946
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: even though they're you know, they weren't necessarily just just winning.

947
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: But he did a great job with Anthony Davis. And

948
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, Monty's successful for that in Detroit saying we

949
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: want that, we want that, Monny Williams, don't. We don't

950
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: blame you, We understand the situation, and we want to

951
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: jump all over this because you know, you can assume

952
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: he's I don't know if I could say he's a

953
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: top coaching candidate, but he's definitely up there. I mean

954
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: between Bud and Doc and Manzia. I mean those are

955
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: eight first class coaches there for the taking.

956
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: Well, let's say, yeah, Bud and Doc and Mani, Nick

957
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: Nurse who was out there, Frank Vogel who got scapegoaded

958
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: out of LA And we'll get into Frank Bogel a

959
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: little bit more because he now takes over that Phoenix situation,

960
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: but perhaps a bit the more the wiser based on

961
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: how he had to navigate things here in Los Angeles,

962
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: So maybe something to be from insights to be gleaned there.

963
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: But for Annie Williams, it seems like the perfect situation,

964
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: as you say, the young players, guys that have great promise.

965
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: You'll have Kid Cunningham coming back off injury. He's got

966
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: another top draft pick. You got Ivy, You've got a

967
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: guy in Wiseman. Don't know what he is at this point, right.

968
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: We didn't. We certainly didn't get to see it play

969
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: out in Golden State, but still an un untapped resource

970
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: perhaps that you can get and coach him up again.

971
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: Not to put it all on the Heat Nuggets series,

972
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: but Miami's all about consistency. How long Spolser's been there

973
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: fifteen years. One of those guys that could leave right,

974
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: one of the few coaches that you just say, all right,

975
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: he can go pick his own course if he wanted to.

976
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: But pat Riley's been there forever. Ownership, it's all stability,

977
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: and that's the preaching point down to the players. Manti

978
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: Williams has the chance at least it seems on the

979
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: surface with Ivy and all these guys, to establish that

980
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: in Detroit and maybe start that that ground running again

981
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: to where they're viable and it's not expected to be

982
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: in a day. And I think that's one of the

983
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: great advantages he has in taking over that situation.

984
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: No, you know, you're right, and you know, let's let's

985
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: say like a situation like in Dallas where it was

986
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: kind of Luca or Rick Carlisle, and you know they're

987
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: gonna choose, you know, Luca essentially because we know Rick

988
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: can coach there. You're not gonna see a situation where

989
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: it's like Jaye n Ivey's like, man, it's me or Manti.

990
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: They're gonna be like, well, we like Manti, right.

991
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: I mean not to say it would happen, right, but but.

992
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: We see it all the time. Right. It's all the

993
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: question of sourcing through and include your favorite NBA insider

994
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: who may or may not be tied to a highly

995
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: powerful organization and that represents high profile athletes on did

996
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: I just do that? You know you're not looking for

997
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: the sourcing of this guy's sad, this guy's disgruntled, whatever,

998
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: because they haven't earned that yet. And if they do.

999
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: It was on MANI Williams watch, so he's got he'll

1000
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: get credit for the players. These guys became so that,

1001
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, Superstar wins out thing may not work the

1002
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: same in Detroit as it would in so many of

1003
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: these other spots, including the one he just left.

1004
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the story will be, Hey, guys, go go work

1005
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: it out, Go figure it out, you know, go go

1006
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 2: work harder in practice. Okay, it won't be Oh, you're

1007
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: not big on Monty, Well we'll get him out of here. Man,

1008
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: what do you think? No, it's the power is going

1009
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: to be there. And I think I'm excited for Monty.

1010
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: I think there's nothing like getting an opportunity knowing that

1011
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: you're wanted. Hey, I feel that way working with the

1012
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: Houston Rockets. Man, I'm a static. It's the you know,

1013
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: the first time I've had a real commitment, you know,

1014
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: on this side of things, broadcast wise. So you know,

1015
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: I love where I'm at and you know, wouldn't trade

1016
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: it for anything. So I think I understand the excitement

1017
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: for Monty. And you know, maybe a lot of people

1018
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: didn't see that coming, but you're pre shape the commitment

1019
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: and you're looking at a day and age where there's

1020
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: not a lot of commitment to the coaches. Man, they're

1021
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: they're quick, no matter what's going on with the players

1022
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: or the front office, the coaches out of there right well,

1023
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: and that's just sing commitment, right.

1024
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's why you're fighting for as high a guaranteed

1025
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: dollar amount as you can knowing and especially given some

1026
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: of the circumstances if there's a star player or two

1027
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: or three attached that you're going to lose any any

1028
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: power battle within the organization. You're just not winning that.

1029
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 3: Uh.

1030
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: And so now you have a situation whereby Mani Williams

1031
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: is set up well, I mean you look at Inaodoka

1032
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: in his new role, same thing takes a gig, very

1033
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: young roster expectation, just get us better, get us competitive build,

1034
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 1: and it's it's much different and the spotlight of course

1035
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: much different as well. He's Ryan Hollins on Mike Carmen.

1036
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,440
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Speaker 1: dot Com. We're gonna zag away from the NBA for

1042
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: a minute. It kind of brings back the conversation we

1043
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: had about youth sports a little bit earlier, and it

1044
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: involves one I guess he's now a former quarterback saying well,

1045
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it anymore, and you know what, maybe

1046
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: my kid won't either. We'll talk about that next year.

1047
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: As we continue on Fox Sports Sunday, Welcome back in

1048
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: It's Fox Sports Sunday. Fox Sports Radio team fully assembled

1049
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: here as we roll on. Mike Carmen, Ryan Hollins with you,

1050
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: Evan Miller, executive producer, Iowa Sam back from his long

1051
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: sojourn overseas, looking rested, tanned, and ready for a big extravaganza.

1052
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: And of course Monsey milanias on the updates. We'll hear

1053
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: from Monci here at a couple of minutes. The caffeine

1054
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: is flowing through. She's bouncing around her studio now here

1055
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: on a Sunday morning, Los Angeles and the planet Houston

1056
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: is where we emanate from this fine morning story. I

1057
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: wanted to get to a little bit again owing to

1058
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: people getting into their tournament time, maybe some travel ball

1059
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: into the summer, etc. And those expectations. Well, Tom Brady

1060
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: has been rumored for for a long time of all, right,

1061
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: where's he gonna pop up next as a player, and

1062
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: doing everything he can to push away notions that will

1063
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: play again, right, becoming part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders,

1064
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: And then you had story after story about the health

1065
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: and waivers and everything going on with Jimmy Garoppolo's contracts,

1066
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: Like wow, it opens the door, and it's like maybe

1067
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: that door is always open, And for me, Ryan, part

1068
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: of it is I have to hope that it's still

1069
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: open because the longer Tom Brady's around, I don't feel

1070
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: as old, right, all of these guys reason, well, yeah,

1071
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: all these because my kids graduating high school this later

1072
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: this week. So that's that. So there's another miles don't

1073
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: feel old. The younger one's gonna be fifteen at the

1074
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: end of the month. She's at the point where it's like,

1075
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: beat it, old man. I got a lot of stuff

1076
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: going on. I don't need you round, so old man.

1077
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: And likewise, everybody's junior junior, and oh my granddad played

1078
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: in the eighties, Like no, I can't have this. I

1079
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: open a pack of baseball cards and a guy's born

1080
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. That's problematic. So the longer

1081
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: Tom Brady holds on and fights off father time and

1082
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: Lebron James continues to show up on a court and

1083
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: paints his head, so he's got a hairline of varying

1084
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: level on a given day, that's better for me.

1085
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 3: I mean, how far do you want this thing to go?

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: So long as he's not quarterback thirty two, I still

1087
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: think he could play, But I do understand that at

1088
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: some point, you know, you clap your hands before the

1089
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe before the ride crashes, right, And I think that's

1090
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: where we're at with Tom Brady. But he was talking

1091
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: with ESPN. I hope you know he finds things in

1092
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: life talking about his son Jack. He's fifteen years old.

1093
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: He's a quarterback. And look, we watched this all the time, right.

1094
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: The following in the footsteps and the expectations. You talked

1095
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: earlier about your podcast discussion with Austin Rivers, and from

1096
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: an early age, right, the expectation is, oh, well, your

1097
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: dad played in the NBA, your dad was good in

1098
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: the NBA. You're going to grow up and well you're

1099
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: gonna play in the NBA. And then Austin had to

1100
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: take all the slings and arrows from folks talking about

1101
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: nepotism and all those other things to prove he could play.

1102
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: And I mean that's part of the psychology and the

1103
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: the battling through. Brady, when asked about his son, said

1104
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 1: he'd like to see him go in a different direction quote,

1105
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: I hope you find things in his life that allow

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00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: him to get up every day to be motivated to

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00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: work hard at something he loves to do. And then

1108
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: ask specifically related to football, quote A lot of it.

1109
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't choose for him to do that because there's

1110
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: too many crazy expectations that people would put on them,

1111
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: most of them probably very unfair, actually, And it's like

1112
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: the billion dollar question of all of it, right, a

1113
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: lot of folks, And I've certainly had plenty of songs

1114
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: in my playlist from the singers and songwriters of the

1115
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties to today. Sound like I'm programming a

1116
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: station there, Ryan, Maybe I can on the iHeartRadio app,

1117
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: which you can take us and listen wherever you're heading

1118
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: out on this Sunday. But of all those, hey, I

1119
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: want to pass down this legacy, whether it's the business

1120
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: or maybe something that you did growing up in Chicago.

1121
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people that I grew up with their

1122
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: dads were police officers or firefighters, and guess what they

1123
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: became belief, police officers and firefighters city down the line. Likewise,

1124
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: when we go into the playing field, you know, we

1125
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: go back when we had the great chance of seeing

1126
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: the Griffies on a field together and things of that

1127
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: nature where it's always all right. Next, I mentioned Michael

1128
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: Jordan's son earlier. Well, he's hanging out with Scotty Pippins x.

1129
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: So we always take anything Scotty says about Michael with

1130
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: a great assault at this point with that being one

1131
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: of the factors. But the expectations on the Jordans as

1132
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: they got towards college age were amens. And then we

1133
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: look at what's going on with Brownie James. Whatever it is,

1134
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: eight million dollars in earnings from nil, that's all fine

1135
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: and good, but people are suddenly expecting him to sprout

1136
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: to a six to seven beast as he goes through

1137
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: a year or two of college, and he's always gonna

1138
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: be compared to the old man. I can only imagine

1139
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: what it's like being Brady's kid or any of this

1140
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.

1141
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: Ryan, No, it's it's gonna have to be tough. And

1142
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: I think just need professional athlete their kid, you know,

1143
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: finding the motivation. Uh, it is tough. And that's so

1144
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: I told Austin, you know on the podcast you go

1145
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: check it out. It was just you're not supposed to

1146
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: be this hunger. You're not supposed to be this motivated,

1147
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: Like what's wrong with you?

1148
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: Do?

1149
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: Like it is rare and it and it's funny that

1150
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: people go, oh, you you only got the opportunity you're

1151
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: because your your dad is a coach, just and that

1152
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: could that have helped them?

1153
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: Of course it might not herd getting in the in

1154
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: the door, but at some point you got to earn

1155
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: it to keep it.

1156
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: Well, Well, how about this. Do you know how many

1157
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: coaches there are, how many NBA coaches there are, and

1158
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: do you know I likely all their sons have tried basketball.

1159
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: Do you know how many have made it? No, you

1160
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: make it because you're good? Do you stick around because

1161
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: you're good? Is it gonna give you opportunity? Sure, it'll

1162
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: give you a nod over the next guy, But you

1163
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: gotta be good. You're not just gonna get a you know,

1164
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: get a pass because of it.

1165
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: NBA Rookie Life the podcast. Uh, you can find that

1166
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: their NBA dot Com in the full page up as

1167
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: you go through the archives, they've got a cool notebook

1168
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: logo that they've put up there for you, Ryan. It

1169
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: looks it looks really nice, really polished at the Ryan Hollins.

1170
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: Also on Twitter for Ryan's thoughts on what's going on,

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01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: as well as links to the archives and everything he's

1172
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: got popping there. But you know, there is also the

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01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: I want to prove that I earned this on my

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: own too. Right. It's one thing to say, hey, I'm

1175
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,439
Speaker 1: gonna be get my shot in the door, and that's

1176
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: for any anything.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of it here in Los Angeles

1179
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: in the Hollywood for its Sunday coming here from the

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: tyraq dot Com studios ty iraq dot Com really everything

1181
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: you need to know to get you equipped to be

1182
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: on the road safely securely. They also have the system

1183
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: whereby they'll come and install tires for you while you're

1184
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: at home or work, so literally you could be having

1185
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: that morning cup of coffee that Manzi was telling you

1186
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: about and people will be installing your tires. It's a

1187
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: beautiful thing. I should check it out. Tirack Ryan Frank

1188
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: Vogel has himself a new job here in the NBA.

1189
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: He's taken over in Phoenix, and one of the big

1190
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: storylines to follow here is Kevin Young, who was considered

1191
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: for that job and was being looked at for some

1192
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: of the others in the process. He's going to stick

1193
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: around and it looks like he's going to get two

1194
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: million a year as an assistant. He was the assistant

1195
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: head coach, and now you have this coordinator that goes

1196
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: along with Vogel. We know about his defensive acumen. We

1197
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: watched it in the bubble. You need to buy into

1198
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: what he's selling. And unfortunately, going back to the coaching

1199
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: side of thing, doesn't matter if you win a title

1200
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: or a Coach of the Year or anything. It's all

1201
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: about the cycle and if the stars or the system

1202
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: decides it's time for a change. And Vocal ousted in

1203
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: Los Angeles now finds himself in another situation. But I've

1204
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: got to think that having worked with ad Lebron and

1205
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: the machine that that was and all of the political

1206
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: wranglings of the Lakers. Has him well equipped for this

1207
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: next gig.

1208
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: You're right, you hit it right on the head. And

1209
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: with the hand that Frank was dept he went and

1210
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 2: won a championship. Like whatever you want to say, he

1211
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 2: went out and won a championship. In that situation, Hey,

1212
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: he was very close to being the Rockets head coach.

1213
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: He was right there in the running. So Frank doing

1214
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: a good job. Happy for him, and you know, like

1215
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: you said, however you want to you know, manager, look

1216
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: at it.

1217
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: He's won a championship. He's done it, he's proven it.

1218
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: He's done it.

1219
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, with stars, and there's a lot of

1220
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: stars over with the Suns now. They are really loaded

1221
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: loaded up. So hey, defensively, you hope that Frank can

1222
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 2: bring it together. He knows how to deal with personalities,

1223
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 2: and when it comes to coaching star players, it's more so, Hey,

1224
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 2: how do I motivate these guys? How do I work

1225
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: with them? It's not in the NBA's we're noticing, Hey,

1226
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: my way or the highway. That's not the type of

1227
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: coaching that you get. And Frank understands that, and I

1228
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: believe that's a large part and why he was hired

1229
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 2: there with the Sons, and you know, he's a heck

1230
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: of a coach, but he understands it. You may not

1231
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: be wrong as a coach, but if you're not on

1232
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: the same page with your player when it comes to

1233
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: the NBA, you are wrong. And that's the first part

1234
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: of the job. And like we said, Frank, because of

1235
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: the experience in LA winning a championship, working with Lebron,

1236
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 2: and with all due respect, it's probably not easy coach

1237
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: and Lebron, you know, it's not the worst thing. He's

1238
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: that strong of a personality. He's that smart where if

1239
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: you say something that might not make sense, or you

1240
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: make a call that may not make sense, he's smart

1241
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: enough to look at you and be like, now we're

1242
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 2: not doing that.

1243
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 3: You know that's not He.

1244
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: Has the ability to do it. Yes, right, he's earned

1245
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: that clout. Folks may not like it, right, certainly George

1246
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: the back end and not to relitigate the final minutes

1247
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: of that that game that they were bounced from the

1248
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: playoffs against Denver, but the reality is a lot of

1249
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: those were Lebron decisions. Those were not going to be

1250
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: Darvin ham decisions. I had the decision to run the

1251
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: clock down and then suddenly trigger a play with four

1252
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: seconds left on the shot clock was not what Darvin

1253
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: Ham had in mind, right, that the ball would suddenly

1254
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: come out of the Lebron's hand not because it was forced,

1255
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: but because he chose to try to trigger another play,

1256
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: or that he couldn't get a shot off. Yet Darvin

1257
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: Ham was the guy getting blasted in the post. You

1258
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: know some of those sacred cow kind of scenarios that

1259
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: we have. And don't get me wrong, you know, Lebron

1260
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: has his share of detractors and some that dance around

1261
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: at every turn and have made their millions off it,

1262
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: and that's fine, but realistically we know that the coach

1263
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: is going to be on the losing end of that

1264
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: scenario most of the time. I asked this and it's

1265
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: a conversation that we should continue with. Next to here,

1266
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: Ryan is what's he coaching when it comes to the

1267
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: fall here of twenty twenty three in the desert? A

1268
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: lot of star power? How many will remain? Shuffle up

1269
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: and deal creating your buy in? What's the elevator pitch?

1270
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins is going to put on a suit and

1271
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: he's going to get the PowerPoint presentation together next here

1272
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back in Fox Sports Radios,

1273
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Sunday fired up here as NBA Finals Game

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01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: two approach, we start getting a little bit of a

1275
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: Sunday morning hindle from the golden pipes of Frank Sinatra,

1276
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: Mike Harmon, Ryan Hollins here with you talking a little

1277
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: bit Phoenix Suns And it's funny for some of you.

1278
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: If you're listening on the iHeartRadio app, probably heard the

1279
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: promo of Smith and I talked about at the lebron

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01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: v Kevin Durant, where would you rather be promo going on?

1281
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: Maybe you heard that one a little bit, Ryan, And

1282
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: if you want to weigh in on that, that is

1283
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: perfectly your right to do so at the Ryan Hollins

1284
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yeah, each comes with their individual set of

1285
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: circumstance and point of view and highs and lows. I

1286
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: think when you get into the superstar realm. But for

1287
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel, how many of the four stars he's got

1288
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: assembled there in Phoenix remain with this squad when it's

1289
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: all said and done. You got Booker. He's your rock solid, young,

1290
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: ascending guy that people first saw and got excited about.

1291
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: You got Kevin Durant who comes in via trade and

1292
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: you gave up a lot to get him. And then

1293
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: you have the enigmas that are Chris Paul and DeAndre Ayton,

1294
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: all the rumors before last season of eight and perhaps

1295
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: wanting out. Is he with them when they break camp

1296
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: in the fall?

1297
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 2: I assume that he would be, But you're right, you know,

1298
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: everything leading up to the season was that he was

1299
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: being shopped. You know, they were looking to move on

1300
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: from him, They were looking to move on from Chris Paul.

1301
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: And obviously it hadn't happened, but that that is, that

1302
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: is a reality, and those question marks are going to

1303
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 2: have to be answered, and it was.

1304
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: It was intriguing. I've never seen anything like it.

1305
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: The Suns go out and they go from trying to

1306
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: move on from Aiden and Paul and they say, you

1307
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 2: know what, forget it, We're keeping them both and we're

1308
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: about to go all in.

1309
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: Right, no interesting, right change of ownership. We talk about

1310
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: HbA coming in and he hires Vogel. You're able to

1311
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: retain your top assistant, right, investing there for continuity. But yeah,

1312
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: making that huge push to bring in Kevin durand I

1313
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: mean he was available, shiny object, shiny superstar, a lot

1314
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: of draft picks, a lot of players that went back

1315
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: the other way.

1316
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, depending on the situation, it's it.

1317
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: This is like a very intriguing time for superstars in

1318
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 2: the NBA. And I say that because you've seen a

1319
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: lot of guys you know, finally get shipped out and

1320
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: they're it's like this, this kings a ransom that's given

1321
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: in multiple first round picks and uh, you know deals.

1322
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: And that's a big thing that we've seen in the

1323
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: NBA today. And there may be a market or a

1324
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: team like an OKC that says, Okay, we'll take aiden,

1325
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 2: we can do it. We have the leverage to go

1326
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: out and you know pick him up. We have the

1327
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 2: you know, you know, the space to do it. So

1328
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued to see what this offseason looks like. And hey, man,

1329
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: if you're the Suns, there's a level where you're looking

1330
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: at it and just say, man, run it back, or like, hey,

1331
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: look at Miami, let's go get some undrafted guys. Let's

1332
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: go get some guys out of front and see that

1333
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 2: can feel those spots.

1334
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: It's funny you said that, well, we'll get into free

1335
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: agency because I mean, that's the other thing we love

1336
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: to do and I and I love and I hate

1337
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: it because I'm part of the problem here being part

1338
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: of these sports media. But we talk about next year

1339
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: before this year starts.

1340
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 3: I e.

1341
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: We were looking ahead to protect me trades and free

1342
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: agency moves before they tipped off ahead back in October. Right,

1343
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: And this year there are so many names and rumors

1344
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: and conjecture about guys staying together, who gets along, who doesn't.

1345
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 1: One coaching decision that got made this week that we Okay,

1346
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: he's got the job, but who's he coaching next year?

1347
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in the Eastern Conference coming up

1348
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: here in about ten minutes as we get back into

1349
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: NBA Finals talk as well. But to that point, for

1350
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel, right, you're also managing to all right, I'm

1351
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: probably only getting my stars to play what three quarters

1352
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: of the games if I'm lucky. When we talk about

1353
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: Durant and certainly Chris Paul, you expect Devin Booker still

1354
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: to give you and shoulder a lot of that load.

1355
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: But he missed time this year. So no guarantees and

1356
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: not that there are ever any guarantees with any of that,

1357
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: you can get all philosophical. It is a Sunday morning.

1358
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: So if you get heading into a service, you know,

1359
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: say an extra one for us, we'll do the same.

1360
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: But it's those kinds of things that we you know,

1361
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: it takes a village to get through. But for Phoenix,

1362
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: one of the big things that was glaring was the

1363
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: heavy minutes. Guys, we're gonna need to play once they

1364
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: got rid of their bench debt, Ryan, and you can

1365
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: get away with it to a degree, and we know

1366
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: it shortens and the bench shortens that deeper you get

1367
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: into playoff. We're watching a couple of teams. There're certainly Denver.

1368
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: They're only running seven or eight guys out at this point,

1369
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: but during the course of the year you're gonna need

1370
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot more bodies to try to steal you some

1371
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: games along the way if your stars are gonna miss.

1372
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: And so I think that's one of the great challenges

1373
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: there in Phoenix, not only for the roster construction, but

1374
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: then pulling the strings. If you're Frank Vogel, recognizing the

1375
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: ebb and flow of a long.

1376
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 2: Campaign, yeah, you're you're right, And that is something that's

1377
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: not spoken about. So the front office is going to

1378
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: have their work cut out. Now here's the good problem.

1379
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 2: The good problem is the impossible is to go out

1380
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 2: and get a guy like Kevin Durant seven feet tall,

1381
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: wos arguab be the greatest score, greatest score now, greatest player,

1382
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 2: greatest score up all time.

1383
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:11,440
Speaker 3: You can argue that talent wise.

1384
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: I love it eight seven seven No, at the Ryan

1385
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: Hollins at Swollen Home. You can do that. Let's go.

1386
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: You can argue if you like it, and and that's fine.

1387
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You just have to get role

1388
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 2: players that fit. And if I'm a guy, they got

1389
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: shout out to my guy Terrence Ross, they went out

1390
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: in the offseason or excuse me, the in mid season,

1391
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 2: and they can say that's an easy pitch saying, hey,

1392
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: you want to win a championship, We just need a

1393
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: guy to play defense and hit an open shot that

1394
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: could be you, you know, and go out and try

1395
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: to sign those guys in free agency. So I think

1396
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 2: it's a it's a great problem to have if you're

1397
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 2: Frank Vogel. But the toughest part is to get those guys.

1398
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: The second toughest part is to get them to work

1399
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 2: together and I think that's the big part from Frank Vogel.

1400
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 2: He doesn't have any other job other than to go

1401
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 2: out and make it work.

1402
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: He's going to have to go back and watch all

1403
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: those early seventies cartoons like The super Friends to figure

1404
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: out how that's going to work. Who's at the head

1405
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: of the table, who's making it work. But the other

1406
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: part that we know all too well with the NBA anymore,

1407
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 1: is is just get to the dance right, Just get

1408
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: punched in and get your ticket in and just be healthy.

1409
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: Right the understand I mean, it seems obvious, but just

1410
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: the reality and as much as folks want to bemoan

1411
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: load management, if it's going to mean the stars are

1412
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: there and ready to battle, come the playoffs, everybody wins.

1413
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: And that's why those free agent pickups are going to

1414
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: be key. You may have to go and get a

1415
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: guy that can lead a team on any given night,

1416
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: or find a young guy, or find one of those

1417
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 2: you know, you know free agent, you know, undrafted specials

1418
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: that can come out and get it done.

1419
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 3: Man.

1420
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: Well, we'll continue in that conversation as we sit here

1421
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 1: in the Tyraq dot Com studios. More on the coaching

1422
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,720
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Speaker 1: tire buying should be coming up about fifteen minutes. We'll

1427
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,520
Speaker 1: dive back into the x's and oh's. How does Miami

1428
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: get back in to the good graces of NBA fans

1429
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: who want a long protracted series, how do they? How

1430
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: does the culture rise up? And I know I use

1431
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: that term, and I've got to be careful with it.

1432
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: Mike Garmin, Ryan Hollins with you here on a Sunday. Ryan,

1433
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: so far, we're halfway home, we're cruising along. We're talking

1434
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: a lot about coaches making big money, and I'd be

1435
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 1: remiss by didn't ask if eventually, you know, out of

1436
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: your media pulpit, having played the league bit around the league,

1437
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: coached a bit at AAU, that is that an its

1438
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: you want to scratch at some point.

1439
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't plan on doing another job the rest of

1440
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 2: my life than what I'm doing with the Houston Rockets.

1441
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: Is that is that because you're worried they're listening.

1442
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: Right now, or no, I would listen. What more could

1443
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: you ask for? It's true, I'm I'm a former player

1444
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: and I'm still around the game and I get to

1445
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 2: talk about basketball. Why why would I want to do

1446
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: anything else?

1447
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: No, it's me, the short, stocky, balding man who was

1448
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: slow of foot, never got a second growth spurt. Yet

1449
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: I've been able to make a career being in and

1450
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: around sports. No, I get that. I fully understand exactly

1451
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: your mentality.

1452
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm the guy whenever I gambled, whatever I played,

1453
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 2: I'd be very modest with my hands and i'd go

1454
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 2: and at the end of the night. Let's say I

1455
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 2: lost money, right, let's say I had you know, I'm

1456
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: never gonna. I would never, you know, take more than

1457
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: I could afford, go double down on black or red,

1458
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: and you see if you win there. Now, do not

1459
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 2: take my advice. It's just how conservative I am. If

1460
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: I get my money back, I'd take my money out,

1461
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: I walk home even and if I don't, I'd double

1462
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: down again black are red, And then you know, I'd

1463
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: wait and play the percentages, let one side hit you know,

1464
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: a few more times than the other, and then you

1465
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: get out of there.

1466
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 3: You go home.

1467
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was always the philosophy when we used to

1468
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: make the short track. When I worked at Yahoo, there

1469
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: were a lot more. Hey, let's just up and go

1470
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: to Vegas. We're gonna sit in a meeting room all

1471
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: day anyway, we might as well do it around a

1472
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: craps table or whatever at a pool side. So we

1473
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: used to do these day trips. And the old rule

1474
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: of thumb for us was, all right, you're as soon

1475
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: as you maybe started to stack chips a little bit,

1476
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 1: make sure that the money that you brought to start

1477
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: went back into one of the pockets and was never

1478
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: seen again. And then if you lose the rest of it,

1479
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: no worse for the wear, and you had your entertainment,

1480
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: and back then a free drink or two, which is,

1481
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: you know, much harder to come by these days.

1482
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the long run. You don't, you don't

1483
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: need to come out rich. So to say this, I'm

1484
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 2: happy where I'm at, I don't.

1485
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I think I'd be silly to want to

1486
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 3: do anything else.

1487
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: No, I I understand that. Not to mention the riggers

1488
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: that coaching brings. I mean, you you experienced that as

1489
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: a player for so many years, right, rest, recovery, taking

1490
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: care of your body. You being a seven footer, uh,

1491
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: needing to eat in an ornament inordinate amount of stuff.

1492
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you didn't want to choke down, but you had

1493
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: to to keep weight, all of those kind of processes,

1494
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: whereas now you eat for pleasure and you could just

1495
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: get to work as long as you look good in

1496
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: the suit.

1497
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 3: I've always had a huge appetite. I can't make that excuse.

1498
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying for you, but there's most seven footers at Stay.

1499
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 1: You know what he had to eat to keep his weight.

1500
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think about all the tails that

1501
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: we have of Sean Bradley and all those guys back

1502
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 1: in the day. It's like, wait, he's eating what? Yeah,

1503
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: he's eating lard, just large. Okay, let's get it on

1504
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: all right. So coaching decision that was made, right. We're

1505
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of the changes, but one that's

1506
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: going to continue continuity. As we talked about, a rare

1507
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: commodity in sports in life, I mean in most jobs anymore,

1508
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 1: a lot of up and go. The me again showing

1509
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: my age coming out of school, it was hey, not

1510
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: that you were going to be at one company forever,

1511
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: but the hope was that you put in a number

1512
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: of years, because otherwise, if you were job hopping that

1513
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,719
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't looked on favorably. Now it's hey, everybody understands,

1514
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: go find your bag and go do it. And certainly

1515
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: we see in the NBA owners and their fickle, fickle

1516
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: way of doing business there. Maybe in however, they got

1517
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: their riches, they're more pragmatic, or maybe it just works

1518
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: better there, but certainly for professional sports, changing out GMS

1519
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: coaches a dangerous business. In Austin, Joe Missoula gets the

1520
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: the verbal and he had already gotten this, but certainly

1521
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: outwardly still a lot of speculation about his job after

1522
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: the loss in the Eastern Conference finals, but he gets

1523
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: the vote of confidence moving forward, he's going to be

1524
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: the guy. They were still on the hook. I think

1525
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: it was another fourteen million dollars. Obviously a lot of

1526
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 1: swirling rumors about the composition of that roster, Ryan, particularly

1527
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: as it related to Jalen Brown, who I think he

1528
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: said it as well as anybody. He was miserable when

1529
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: they needed him.

1530
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, for one, I want to just Joe Mizoula.

1531
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: I am astatic at Boston keeping him and not listening

1532
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: to the critics or the oh he didn't do this,

1533
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 2: or blame I am.

1534
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that the criticism was necessarily unfair, though

1535
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: calling for his ouster might have been. But situationally, they

1536
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: they did.

1537
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: I ain't in the locker room. I'm not sitting there

1538
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 2: breaking down film. And I think as fans, you look

1539
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 2: up and you do that, and I and I and

1540
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think unless you put in the work,

1541
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 2: it's not fair to criticize. Now, if I was an

1542
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: assistant coach, I was there, I was breaking down a

1543
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 2: lot of film, or I knew something from Miami side

1544
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 2: and said, yeah, Missoula dropped the ball there. I don't

1545
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 2: think it's fair to blame him. I don't know what

1546
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 2: he was preaching in the locker room. I know at

1547
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 2: the end of the day they didn't win.

1548
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it goes back to the fall guy mentality.

1549
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: We're talking about that. Yeah, yeah, And on sports talk

1550
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: radio it's our drop to criticize.

1551
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 2: I know, but from listen, from understanding and understanding it,

1552
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna speak from who I am. Okay, and I'm

1553
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 2: gonna say that I've been there in no situations. So

1554
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 2: sometimes those blames are placed unfair. You know, Ques, you

1555
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: better know from my standpoint before you criticize and say,

1556
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: hey man, he dropped you better know for sure he

1557
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 2: dropped the ball.

1558
01:20:58,760 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 3: You better know for sure.

1559
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: You don't just go out, you know, speculating, because I

1560
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: know the stories that come to the media and I

1561
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 2: know what's going on actually going on in the locker room.

1562
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 2: A lot of times those are two completely different things.

1563
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 2: But the reason, nonetheless I'm a static for Joe Missoula

1564
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 2: to still be employed and not some impulsive decision is

1565
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: why you look over and they learned something from who

1566
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat, Well, they learned from the Heat. Everybody

1567
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 2: could have blamed Sposter when they lost to the Mavericks

1568
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 2: and said.

1569
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: You had Dwayne, Wayne, you had Lebron, this is.

1570
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: Your fault, Spostra Well, Lebron tried.

1571
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 2: To regardless of however it happened, regardless of however it happened,

1572
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: whoever you want to point at, because technically, from what

1573
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: we talked about earlier with Manty Williams, that was Sposter's fault.

1574
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: You were supposed to take that. Lebron, Dwayne Wade, the

1575
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: three Greatest Stars ever assembled in their primes and go

1576
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: win and go win championship that year, and he didn't

1577
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 2: when everything said it was Spostra's fault, and you would

1578
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 2: have missed out on one of the greatest coaches that

1579
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: we have ever seen in the NBA if you can't

1580
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 2: Eric Spostra. And I don't know if Joe Mizzoula is

1581
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: gonna end up being Eric Spostra, but I love that

1582
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: you're gonna stick with him. You're gonna give him his shot,

1583
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: and I do believe he's a heck of a coach.

1584
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna be even better moving forward. But I

1585
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: just like that you looked at the heat and you say,

1586
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 2: you know what, you kept that Sposter guy around. He

1587
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 2: was pretty darn good. You didn't make miss him and

1588
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: escapegoat and look at what he's become. And and far

1589
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 2: past Dawayne Wade, far past Lebron James. They have stability.

1590
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 3: Why because they stuck with Eric Spostra.

1591
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: I think it's the thing you should aspire to in

1592
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: a front office and in managing sports. But we see

1593
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: so it's so rare. Right. We do a lot of

1594
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: NFL talk and you put on one hand number of

1595
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: teams that you would put into that bucket when you

1596
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:07,440
Speaker 1: look at the stability and continuity of places like Pittsburgh.

1597
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: Now New England's a little different because you had Belichick

1598
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: and Brady that stayed for so long. Quarterbacks don't normally

1599
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: run two decades in the in the NFL, but you know,

1600
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: you've got so few of those, and in the NBA

1601
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: we're in the same boat. We were talking about the

1602
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: Lakers a little bit before Frank Vogel wins the title.

1603
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: But because there's unrest and seemingly behind the scenes, if

1604
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: we're to believe ten percent of what we were fed

1605
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: from the insiders, sourcing, et cetera, that they weren't necessarily

1606
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: on the same page in the front office, let alone

1607
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: how the powerful players like lebron ad et cetera, and

1608
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 1: their opinions on where things needed to go. So you know,

1609
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: we have that kind of internal strife. And now we're

1610
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: hitting another age that's adding another wrinkle to this Ryan

1611
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: as we're actually seeing a little bit turnover in terms

1612
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: of ownership, which also creates new variables into our algorithms

1613
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: trying to calculate how this goes. For Joe Missoula, this

1614
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: was just the rarefied space, or so it seemed, not

1615
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: that it would have been fair necessarily to dump him,

1616
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: certainly not saying that at all, but I understood the

1617
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: speculation given the number of tenured coaches and accomplished coaches

1618
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 1: that were out there for the hiring. Does that make

1619
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: any sense when now so talking about a couple of

1620
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: guys in Brown and Tatum, where again take what the

1621
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: rumors were about their relationship with a grain of salt,

1622
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: but still wondering if Missoula is the guy to get

1623
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: them to bring their best. And I say that all

1624
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: knowing that they lost in a Game seven of the

1625
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,440
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals.

1626
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 2: Everything that you're saying is accurate. Everything that you're saying

1627
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 2: makes sense, and hats off and hold on, who's up there,

1628
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, running things Brad Stevens, former coach, so he gets.

1629
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: It, you know. And and I don't think that's the

1630
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: best move. I don't.

1631
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't think that that that Phoenix, you know, necessarily,

1632
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, made the best move. And getting getting rid

1633
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: of Monty, I think everybody kind of voiced that and

1634
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,480
Speaker 2: was like that was Monty's.

1635
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Fault all the sudden, No, the hard part that was

1636
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: Bud's fault. I mean, let me ask this about and

1637
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: we had talked about it before it happened, and I

1638
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: think we had a little bit of a lapse between

1639
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: getting to chat about it on air afterward because I

1640
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 1: thought the potential was there for Manni. I think the

1641
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: fact that they got beat so soundly in that final

1642
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 1: game was just a bad enough look to force the issue.

1643
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 2: The key which you said, a bad enough like like

1644
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 2: how and objects matter exactly when do? Yeah, you had

1645
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: the best record in the NBA and then all of

1646
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: a sudden you just can't coach well.

1647
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: Right, but in a game that you need right, desperation

1648
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: season on the line, your team doesn't show up fair

1649
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: or not. That's going to fall on a coach even

1650
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,520
Speaker 1: though he doesn't. Yeah, it's doesn't put the high tops.

1651
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 2: On when you don't have Chris Paul and your team

1652
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: was generated with Chris Paul in hand. Yeah, that is tough.

1653
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 2: Like it's the optics, Like, listen, I get it. I

1654
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 2: understand you're gonna blame them as a former player, as

1655
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: a guy who understands it behind the scenes, I don't

1656
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:28,919
Speaker 2: like the optics.

1657
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 3: Let's let's please.

1658
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 2: Our fan base of now don't get me wrong with

1659
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 2: the fan base, that's who pays the checks. But when

1660
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 2: you win, that cures all and and you know, just

1661
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 2: doing something to seem like you have to do something.

1662
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 2: Me personally, I don't agree with them, But keep in

1663
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 2: mind also I'm a former player. Okay, I'm not a

1664
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm not an owner. I'm not in in sales. I'm

1665
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 2: not in those departments. So that's just my opinion as

1666
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,839
Speaker 2: far as optics, and I am happy that Joe Missoula

1667
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: is employed. I get that somebody has to be the blame.

1668
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 2: I get when you make a big blockbuster move and

1669
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: you you know, you are kind of the suns, you're

1670
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 2: the favorites for a championship. Someone has to go. It's

1671
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: got to be somebody's fault. And I also understand from

1672
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 2: being in those situations behind the scenes there are things

1673
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: that are happening that you you don't see, and you

1674
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 2: don't know. There's things that go on behind the scenes

1675
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 2: and arguments and fights and he doesn't like him that

1676
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: we don't know. It may may not be our business

1677
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 2: to know, and who knows where uh you know, where

1678
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 2: things stood. But ultimately money's in a good place. Missoula

1679
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 2: stays put. And you know what, I am confident that

1680
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,520
Speaker 2: every head coach that was one of the NBA's winningest

1681
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 2: records are gonna be employed again pretty soon.

1682
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,600
Speaker 1: Fifty Yeah. Sure, yeah. Former exact Danny Ainge said he

1683
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: thinks Missoula is a better coach than Udoka was, and

1684
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: that's you know, put that into the the scorecard and

1685
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: into the record as well. What I'll be curious, though, Ryan,

1686
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: is with all the rumors about the assistant coaches and

1687
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: how many folks will leave for Houston, how do you

1688
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: fill that roster out? Is this one of those situations

1689
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: whereby you go and you try to get as many

1690
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: senior veteran NBA heavy weights as you can, not only

1691
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: to help Missoula and maybe some of that situational stuff

1692
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: that was criticized fair or not right. We heard it

1693
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: from from all levels, former players, former executives, all these things,

1694
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: a lot of them with the anonymous tag mixed there

1695
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 1: in of course, because you know, you got to got

1696
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: to protect your yourself in that stuff. But do you

1697
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: fill it out with guys that can help in some

1698
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: of that but also in the off chance that things

1699
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: go awry, that you've got someone on staff that has

1700
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: been through the wars.

1701
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: Regardless of which, you make a game plan and you

1702
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: stick to it. So let's say that game plan is,

1703
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 2: you know, hey, we don't whatever you Wherever you feel

1704
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: the stresses, If you don't feel like Joe was experienced enough,

1705
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 2: you go in bost of that you feel like you

1706
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 2: need to relate to you know, Brown and Tatum more,

1707
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: maybe you go and get some former players. You gotta

1708
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 2: address whatever the stress is in the situation and go

1709
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: make good on it.

1710
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 3: So wherever they think, and I wasn't.

1711
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 2: I haven't spoke to anybody in those Boston locker rows,

1712
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 2: but that's where you go and address. Hey, Joe, Joe

1713
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: needs some help here, man, Let's get them. Let's get

1714
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: them some help, you know, Let's get them someone who's

1715
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: been there before that you may need to do that. Hey,

1716
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: let's get some former players. You know, they didn't really

1717
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 2: relate to Joe. Missoula. You look over in Miami, Miami,

1718
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 2: Sposa is gonna make sure he doesn't have an ego

1719
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: in the party. He said he's gonna have Haslam a

1720
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: player coach on the bench, and he's gonna go out

1721
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: and get a Karan Butler, a guy who played who'd

1722
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 2: kind of been through the fire and wore the heat

1723
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: jersey so that if things are going down, he can

1724
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: relate to the young players. So he says, Man, I'm

1725
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 2: gonna make sure I'm unrelatable, you know. So, I think

1726
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: there's a number of different approaches that you can have

1727
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 2: in these situations, and I don't. And like I said,

1728
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 2: you who are there every day in the grind, in

1729
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 2: the fold of things, has to answer those questions. Now.

1730
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: I dig that you also brought up Fox Sports Radio

1731
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 1: alumni Karan Butler. I have that on my resume that

1732
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: I helped propel him into that stratosphere after doing some

1733
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: shows with him here at Fox. He's Ryan Hollinds on

1734
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: Mike Garment here Fox Sports Sunday. We're brought to you

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Speaker 1: make a shot. Okay, that's part of it, but how

1740
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: does Miami even things up? Here? Later on Game two,

1741
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: of your NBA Finals coming up. Ryan's gonna put on

1742
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: a suit and bring out the telestrator to tell us

1743
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: how next Here on Fox Welcome back, and it's Fox

1744
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:57,879
Speaker 1: Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Garmin alongside Ryan Hollins.

1745
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. However you're listening to us,

1746
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,440
Speaker 1: We know you've got a lot of entertainment information options

1747
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: out there, so we're glad you set the dial to

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01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: us whether it's serious. XM Channel eighty three one of

1749
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: the four hundred plus affiliates nationwide. That's right, four hundred plus,

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Speaker 1: and of course the iHeartRadio app take us wherever you

1751
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: go on the highways and byways. We know you got

1752
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on on a Sunday, coming

1753
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: to the culmination of a lot of school years and graduations.

1754
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: Congratulations to all of you. We've been trumpeting a bunch

1755
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: of the folks in the Sporting universe going back for degrees,

1756
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: the promises they made to mom or grandma or just

1757
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,919
Speaker 1: decided they wanted to get that piece of paper. Great

1758
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: examples of hey, it's always there, the doors are always open.

1759
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: You can go get it back if that's something you

1760
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: want to do. Because you know, the opportunity and exposure,

1761
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 1: and let's face it, who doesn't want to stay a

1762
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: kid a little while longer?

1763
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 3: Ryan, Well you got you got that right.

1764
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: No question about that. But yeah, so it's that time

1765
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 1: of year, so on the iHeartRadio app. And then you've

1766
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: got so many other great channels and stations and content

1767
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: flowing through there as well. So pick that up, evangelize.

1768
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 1: You know, Father's Day is coming up. Maybe that's what

1769
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: you give the gift to the iHeartRadio App. Hey, Dad,

1770
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: give me your phone, Grapa, give me your phone. Whoever

1771
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 1: fills that role. You go and you download that iHeartRadio app,

1772
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: and you say, you can listen to Mike and Ryan

1773
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: yell at each other on Fox Sports Radio all the time.

1774
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: And it's free. That's always the thing with the iHeartRadio

1775
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: App is free to get that content flowing. Some of

1776
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: the music channels, the podcasts, all of those fun things

1777
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 1: you find it there. Ryan's podcasts, NBA Rookie Life is

1778
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: part of the lineup there. Go and subscribe mine the

1779
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, we've got the eyewaantcher Flex podcast and of

1780
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: course the yelling that Smith and I do four hours

1781
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: a night, seven to eleven Pacific here on Fox Sports Radio.

1782
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: All Right, all that filibustering isn't put any points up

1783
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 1: on the board for the Miami Heat. So that's the

1784
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: question I have to ask you, Ryan Hollins. Is it

1785
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: wishing and hoping that those three point shots from Struson

1786
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: Company start falling? Or schematically? Is there something more? Is

1787
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 1: it about the attacking of the rim that Jimmy Butler

1788
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: spoke to and try to draw falls that will be

1789
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: the key for game two?

1790
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, drawing fowls is a big key.

1791
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 2: The reason that it is is because when you get

1792
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: to the hole and you draw fouls, you know it

1793
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: ends up happening.

1794
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 3: You have to help, You have to commit me. Yeah,

1795
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 3: you got to pick your poison.

1796
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: So keeping them off the free throw line is something

1797
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 2: that I'm pretty sure I played for Mike Malone that

1798
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: he's focusing on in the locker room. So Jimmy understands that.

1799
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: And then I think it's just ball movement, it's energy.

1800
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to play at the pace

1801
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 2: of Denver. Denver gets comfortable in their pace, and on

1802
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 2: the road you have to control pace. So you're probably

1803
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 2: asking what is pace? What are you talking about It

1804
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 2: means I take shots when I want to shoot, when

1805
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 2: I want to run and transition, I get out and run.

1806
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play at my tempo rather than being on

1807
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 2: my heels, you know, having to be reactive, if that

1808
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 2: makes sense. So that's something that's big that the Heat

1809
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 2: have to do. And Jimmy Butler, he's gonna have to

1810
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 2: have one of those Jimmy Butler performances because right now, man, listen, Mike,

1811
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel. I think he's the

1812
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 2: most unpredictable athlete that I've ever seen in my life.

1813
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 2: He could come out and have eight points or he

1814
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 2: could drop fifty in the next game, and we'll be going, Jimmy.

1815
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Butler, it's amazing.

1816
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 2: Where'd this come from?

1817
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: Well, it's the twenty four hour cycle that we live

1818
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: here and live and die with in sports dog radio

1819
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: and sports television. Right. Whatever the latest iteration of a

1820
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: player is is how they are viewed. Very few guys

1821
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 1: get the benefit of the long view, and even then

1822
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: they earn that overtime and then maybe you get to

1823
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: dismiss a bad game here and there. Jimmy Butler's not

1824
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: at that point. So many folks from a national level,

1825
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: and it's disappointing and a bit disheartening. And I know

1826
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: you've got a lot more and I mean the collective you,

1827
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: not you, Ryan Allins, but you know, in terms of

1828
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: what you're trying to pay attention to in the sporting universe,

1829
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: we do our best here, but we recognize a lot

1830
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: of You know your local team better than we do, right,

1831
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: And you know, if you live in Denver and you

1832
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: live and die by the eighty two regular season games

1833
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: of the Nuggets, you've seen some wrinkles in the offense, defense,

1834
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: or what a player brings to the table on a

1835
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,440
Speaker 1: nightly basis that we don't. But what has been embarrassing

1836
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 1: from the national perspective is to basically do the hey,

1837
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I got nothing, I've never seen these guys kind of scenario.

1838
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: And we've heard that from a number of folks related

1839
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: to Nicola Jokic, like he won two MVP Awards, you

1840
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 1: weren't curious at all to go tune in and see

1841
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: how that's being accomplished and what that team's doing. That's

1842
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 1: the part of this is that's been a bit baffling

1843
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:55,720
Speaker 1: for me, Ryan, is the relative anonymity that folks are

1844
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: trying to claim these guys have no, no, I think

1845
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 1: going back to the bubble and even before then, we're

1846
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 1: well aware of what they were able to do. They're

1847
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: just now healthy and finally able to do it on

1848
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 1: this big stage.

1849
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 2: No, you're you're right about that. And here's here's the reality.

1850
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 2: A lot of people are not gonna watch Denver because

1851
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 2: it's not a star driven team.

1852
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 3: That's the truth.

1853
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: It ain't flashy. I mean right, it's worked.

1854
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 2: But they're not flashy. They haven't won a championship. Everybody's

1855
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 2: going you didn't know Jamal Like, Jamal Murray played well

1856
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,839
Speaker 2: in the bubble, and unfortunately it seemed like nobody respected

1857
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 2: bubble basketball.

1858
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 3: That's true.

1859
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 1: It's got to thrown that year apart, haven't.

1860
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: We if no one respects a championship from Lebron James,

1861
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 2: the actual champion. Do you think they're gonna be like,

1862
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 2: man that Jamal Murray something else? Like like no, like

1863
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: they they just do not feel the same way about

1864
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: what happened in the bubble. But the reality is, Jamal

1865
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 2: Murray has been good. But what we hear Mike Malone

1866
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 2: harping on it's consistency. You know, it's consistency, it's finishing,

1867
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 2: it's not having those lapses. So they've they've played well,

1868
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 2: but they always haven't always finished in their moments. And

1869
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 2: I think that's something that you're looking for to go

1870
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 2: out and happen in Denver. And I think that that

1871
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: notoriety will be there. But you know, you get your

1872
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: notoriety that big name from winning a championship. Kevin Durant

1873
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 2: became Kevin Durant win a championship. Lebron James had it

1874
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 2: looming over his head, the championship, then he got it.

1875
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 2: Giannest was, Oh, he's just the regular guy and we're not.

1876
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 2: He won a championship. There were no questions. So you know,

1877
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: Denver's got to go ahead and win a championship. So

1878
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 2: for all the people, I think it was fairly advertised

1879
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 2: of hey, we just don't believe in what's going on

1880
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 2: there yet. And Jokic's playing at a very very high

1881
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 2: level where in the playoffs, in the big moment, so

1882
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: now he's just got to go ahead and finish the job.

1883
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Dirk Davitsky, right, Dirk Nvitsky, wasn't that chasing him for

1884
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 2: a while.

1885
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 1: Now there's nothing to say, Yeah, He's a guy that

1886
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 1: I think is unfortunately forgotten by a lot too. Right.

1887
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 1: Basketball people remember Dirk, yes, and showed Dirk his proper love,

1888
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: but I think from a general populace he's kind of

1889
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: lost in that era because you had the dominance of

1890
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: the Spurs, who nobody likes either. We're so fickle. Win

1891
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: on my terms, don't just win a lot, but win

1892
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: how I like you to win. So showtime Lakers or

1893
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: even the Kobe Lakers in both their iterations, get so

1894
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: much more love than that run that Dirk had, and

1895
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: Dirk's career I think gets pushed aside, perhaps more than

1896
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: it should as well. It's like the Donovan McNabb angle

1897
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier. Now, Donovan didn't get the ring,

1898
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: but had that sustained success in all of those ws,

1899
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 1: and perhaps at more and more winning done by Andy

1900
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: Reid will focus on that a little bit. With Dallas,

1901
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: I think we need more deep runs into the playoffs,

1902
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 1: or maybe a deep run into the playoffs at all

1903
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: from Luca in company, because then we can focus back

1904
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: on the heights reached by Dirk in the day, right,

1905
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: we get those highlight packages back out if that happens.

1906
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I played with Dirk, and you know,

1907
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 2: I think the championship was the biggest thing. You know,

1908
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 2: obviously those guys who getting you know, the multiple championships

1909
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: get more. But I think Dirk has still looked at

1910
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 2: as you know, aregably the greatest European player, definitely the

1911
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 2: great is a big man, big shooter of all time.

1912
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 2: But I think that they're just the respect is there,

1913
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 2: like you know, you always you'd hear Dirk's name and

1914
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:31,759
Speaker 2: like yeah, but you don't hear that anymore. That that

1915
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 2: that went away. And I think Jokic and Giannis are

1916
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 2: two of those guys in similar footsteps where there's like, yeah,

1917
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 2: Giannis is doing that, but is it gonna work for

1918
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 2: a championship?

1919
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1920
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 2: It had he won his championship. Hey, how was one

1921
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: was one of the guys saying it? And I said

1922
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 2: about Yoki shoot and if Yokich finishes, yeah, But does

1923
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 2: do those triple doubles really turn into winning? And you

1924
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 2: can be like yeah they do yeah, or or hey,

1925
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 2: if you need a big shot, but does he hit

1926
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 2: the big shot? Yeah he can't.

1927
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: He can do that too. He'll surprise you. The one

1928
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:05,560
Speaker 1: thing and we've talked a lot, you and I and

1929
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 1: I know Smith and I hammer on it a lot.

1930
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon's had himself a fantastic run. KCP has been instrumental.

1931
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 1: Bruce Brown not just play on the court, he also

1932
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 1: had that cool cowboy hat after their Game one win,

1933
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 1: so he gets extra bonus points for that. But Michael

1934
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: Porter Junior, a guy who looked for the game, still

1935
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: shot miserably from three point range. But taking his body

1936
01:40:30,439 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: of work this year, Ryan and he's a guy that

1937
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: remember coming out of college, he was going to be

1938
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: the next right, he was the guy we were looking at,

1939
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: and then injuries there were some scuttle button. Again, we

1940
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: take it all with a grain of salt, but it's

1941
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: out there. We can't dismiss it categorically. Perhaps an attitude

1942
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and work ethic early on that it seems he's found

1943
01:40:54,120 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: his spot, he's found his perfect space, and he's accepted

1944
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: where he's at as a player. And that's to the

1945
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: great benefit of the way Michael Maloney, I'd call him

1946
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Michael gets his guys up and ready to go right.

1947
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: We've certainly seen the quote all over the place and

1948
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 1: now use as a motivational tool in the larger mental

1949
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: health coaching space of Jamal Murray coming back off his

1950
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 1: injury and Michael Malone saying, no, you're one of us, right,

1951
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 1: You're not getting traded because there a lot of trade

1952
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: rumors related to Jamal Murray as he was coming back

1953
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 1: off injury. Was he going to stay a member of

1954
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets And it seemed like they were on

1955
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: a path where maybe they were gonna have to make

1956
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: a choice between him and Porter Junior instead. Now you've

1957
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: got this three man game that creates the nucleus of

1958
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: what is a highly functioning offense.

1959
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:49,160
Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing that you have to look at

1960
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 3: with Denbury, and I want people to remember this. They're

1961
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,679
Speaker 3: finally healthy. It hadn't been healthy.

1962
01:41:55,360 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 2: And I think it's hard to put those say what

1963
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 2: a team is or they or they isn't if that,

1964
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 2: if that even makes sense what.

1965
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: They are And unfortunately that we're at that point in

1966
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 1: the NBA though, Ryan is I'm never assuming anybody's healthy

1967
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: when we get to the playoffs. I'll believe it when

1968
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: I see guys on the court. Mans nodding her head,

1969
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I think she just got snapped her neck. In the updated.

1970
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 2: Manzi's been mad at me lately, she's been mad at me.

1971
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 2: But it's health and nimber and and that's what you're saying,

1972
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: your supporters. Junior missed the if I'm not mistaken, the

1973
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:36,679
Speaker 2: entire year or an extent last year, we were Actually

1974
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 2: it was actually against the Rockets. He had a fast

1975
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 2: break and he just like his leg just gave out

1976
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 2: and he missed significant time. That was a big knock

1977
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:50,000
Speaker 2: to him. Jamal Murray with this a c L they're

1978
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 2: just finally just getting healthy, you know, and they hadn't

1979
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 2: been healthy really since the bubble, and you know, you

1980
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 2: hadn't noticed because Jokic just kind of just held it down.

1981
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 2: And that's been a big part for those who who

1982
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 2: have really know the game. And you know this, Mic Kau,

1983
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 2: his MVPs are coming because whoever's in that lineup or

1984
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 2: not in that lineup, he've been going out and getting busy.

1985
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 1: Getting his stuff done. No right, the consistency remains, and

1986
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: then you get voter fatigue. No disrespect to Joel Embiid,

1987
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: but those are all real factors that flow in. He's

1988
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Holland's on Mike Harmon here, Fox Sports Sunday, Fox

1989
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 1: Sports Radio and now we turn it back over to

1990
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: the aforementioned Mancy Belanyas, who will not only eviscerate Ryan

1991
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: Hollands the past conversations, but you'll give us an update

1992
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 1: on what's trending in our sporting universe.

1993
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 5: Yes, Ryan sometimes does upset me.

1994
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie when it comes to clipper talk.

1995
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 3: But it's fine me Matzi.

1996
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 5: He's also a former clipper, So I can't you know

1997
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 5: what I mean? I can't, but I can't.

1998
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1999
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 5: It's like, uh, but.

2000
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: How am But you hurt the ones you love the most?

2001
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:51,719
Speaker 1: Isn't that the way that works?

2002
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 5: That's true, That is true. We do have a love

2003
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 5: hate relationship. I guess that's what it is.

2004
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:01,160
Speaker 4: Novak Djokovic has won his fourth round the French Open

2005
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:05,480
Speaker 4: in three straight sets, meaning he has reached the quarterfinals

2006
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 4: for the fourteenth consecutive year. That's the longest streak by

2007
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 4: a man in the event's history, five years longer than

2008
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 4: Roger Federer. So Novak Djokovic still going strong in golf.

2009
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 4: Rory McElroy is tied for the lead at the Memorial Tournament.

2010
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 4: He will tee off for the fourth and final round

2011
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 4: at one thirty five pm Eastern time, while Victor Hoblin

2012
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 4: is in a group, a group of like five, that's

2013
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 4: one shot back.

2014
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 5: So we got a whole lot of ties going on

2015
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 5: right now at the Memorial Tournament.

2016
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little college softball, because Oklahoma softball advanced

2017
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 4: to Monday semi finals at the Women's College World Series,

2018
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 4: shutting out Tennessee nine zero. The Sooners have won a

2019
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,720
Speaker 4: record fifty straight games.

2020
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 5: How, I don't even I didn't even know that was possible.

2021
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 1: Guys, insanity, insanity.

2022
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 4: Right later today, Game two of the NBA Finals Everything

2023
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 4: tips off at a pm Eastern time is the Miami

2024
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,480
Speaker 4: he will take on on the Denver Nuggets.

2025
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:03,800
Speaker 5: You guys were talking about the Bubble here.

2026
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:04,400
Speaker 3: Well.

2027
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 4: Bleacher Report tweeted this about an hour ago about what

2028
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 4: Michael Porter Junior said was his favorite memory from the bubble,

2029
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 4: and he said that he bul Bull and Tory Craig

2030
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 4: would go to the pool and drink pina coladas all day.

2031
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 5: That's his favorite memory fact of Bowl Bowl.

2032
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's pretty awesome. I think I would

2033
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 4: love to just drink pina coladas all day and then

2034
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 4: play basketball because then you'd work it off, so.

2035
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 1: Might see if we can't get a group trip to say,

2036
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and very much that I would, except for

2037
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: the playing basketball.

2038
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 4: I mean we could try at the pool with the

2039
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 4: floating balls that we could do that, we can do that.

2040
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, let's go, well, let's get it on.

2041
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, guys, And the Stanley Cup Final officially

2042
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 4: began on Saturday night. The Golden Knights took Game one.

2043
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 4: They beat the Florida Panthers five to two. At one

2044
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 4: point they were tied, but Vegas came alive in the

2045
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,040
Speaker 4: third period, scoring three goals to win Game one. Game

2046
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 4: two will be on Monday back in Vegas. A little

2047
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 4: Saturday baseball action. It was Fernando Tatist Junior who homer

2048
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 4: twice for the Padres.

2049
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 5: They shut out the Cup six to zero.

2050
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 4: The Rangers dominated the Mariners sixteen to six, a couple

2051
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 4: of grand slams. Alex Bregman hit a grand slam for

2052
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 4: the Astros boo. They outscored the Angels nine to six.

2053
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 4: Blake Perkins hit a grand slam for his first career

2054
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 4: home run, and the Brewers held on to beat the

2055
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 4: Reds ten to eight. And of course, Aaron Judge hit

2056
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 4: his nineteenth homer of the season, one shy of time

2057
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 4: Pete Alonso for the most so far for the season,

2058
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 4: he has twenty, and the Yankees beat the Dodgers in

2059
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 4: LA six to three.

2060
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 1: Back to you guys, rubber match later on today. Manzi

2061
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: is ready ready Now in terms of that whole pool thing,

2062
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 1: I had a bet bagels this morning. Yes, I've got

2063
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: to go a month without the bagels and others and

2064
01:46:54,040 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 1: then we can make up for it while we get

2065
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: to Vegas.

2066
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 5: I love it all right.

2067
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 1: Well again, there we go. Plan the work, work the plan.

2068
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Monci, Mike and Ryan here Fox Sports or radios

2069
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2074
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,799
Speaker 1: Coming up next, we take a look to the global

2075
01:47:22,920 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: economics of the sport Forbes with one of their fun lists.

2076
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 1: This time we're talking profitability and you can probably guess

2077
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: who's number one. Maybe not number one in your hearts,

2078
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: maybe not even in America anymore, but from dollars and cents. Well,

2079
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 1: if they get it done, we'll talk about it next

2080
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: year on Fox. Ah dancing along Fox Sports Radio is

2081
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Sunday. You know why we're dancing. We've added

2082
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 1: another affiliate. Welcome in our new affiliate, Peoria, Illinois, Peoria

2083
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:55,560
Speaker 1: Sports Radio one oh one point one. Welcome to the

2084
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio family. You know there are Chicago White

2085
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: Sox Radio network affiliate. See mom, I made it home.

2086
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: Program director Scott hecke Thorn dropped another network to flip

2087
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 1: over to Fox Sports nod in a wink. You know

2088
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 1: what happened there. Big win for them, huge win for us.

2089
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 1: Welcome aboard FSR family, Purias Sports Radio one to one

2090
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:24,600
Speaker 1: point one, so so big. We continued the global expansion

2091
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 1: bit by bit Ryan Hollins, and now we're back on

2092
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 1: at home.

2093
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, and many more to come.

2094
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 1: As we talked about the White Sox a little bit earlier,

2095
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 1: the strange circumstance of the victory yesterday with the win

2096
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,799
Speaker 1: over the Tigers. Hopefully the umpires are doing okay after

2097
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: being struck with the ball. We're here live inthety rack

2098
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,560
Speaker 1: Dot com Studios, Mike Carmen, Ryan Hollins with you. We

2099
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: got another hour to go. We'll get back into the

2100
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: NBA Finals coming up in ten minutes. But a story.

2101
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,639
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of fun. Who would you say,

2102
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:01,600
Speaker 1: based on the Forbes Profitability list, would be leading the

2103
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 1: charge for the last three years, Ryan Hollins leading the

2104
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 1: charge in profitability? That could be any sport as an athlete. No, no, no,

2105
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 1: this team, team revenue, team profitability over the last three years.

2106
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 2: Team profitability. And we're just talking American sports.

2107
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: No right, Nope, we can go abroad as well, and

2108
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,280
Speaker 1: that's that's where the wrinkles kind of come into.

2109
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 3: Okay, that's it. You're trying to get me with the trick.

2110
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the first one isn't a trick. I

2111
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 1: gave you the tea's going into the break, so the

2112
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 1: number one should have been a slam dunk for you.

2113
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 1: I lobbed it up to the seven footer and said,

2114
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: don't get a big man.

2115
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I was. I was out of it, big fellow.

2116
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 1: All right. So the Dallas Cowboys coming in at nearly

2117
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: one point two billion.

2118
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 2: Dollars, Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Lakers.

2119
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Lakers are nice Yankees. Yankees did not make the top ten.

2120
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 3: Really. Manchester Liverpool Manchester's number five.

2121
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 1: Liverpool probably top twenty five, but they did not make

2122
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 1: the top ten. Top ten. So the Cowboys are at

2123
01:50:10,240 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 1: one point two billion. Get this the drop from them

2124
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 1: to number two? Number two the New England Patriots. What

2125
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,919
Speaker 1: being able to capitalize on the final years of Brady

2126
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: and marketing and merchandising sales therein. I'd be curious to

2127
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 1: see the books in terms of calculation. I always take

2128
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: Forbes list with a grain of salt, but I thought

2129
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: this one was interesting based on the composition thereof. And

2130
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots at number two was the one that had

2131
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: me my interest.

2132
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:40,000
Speaker 3: Peaked that I didn't see that coming.

2133
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: That was the one that was a bit of surprise,

2134
01:50:42,200 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: right Number three Tottenham Hotspur at four hundred and fourteen millions,

2135
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 1: So you see the dip one point two to six

2136
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 1: twenty three to four fourteen coming in at number four,

2137
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: the NBA Juggernaut, James Dolan's New York Nicks.

2138
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:58,600
Speaker 3: I can see the Knicks.

2139
01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 1: Number five, man, you fine get this number six again.

2140
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 1: I'd love to see the books on this. The Houston

2141
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: Texans now again, this is profitability. Profitability. There you go.

2142
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:17,760
Speaker 1: Number seven, your Golden State Warriors. We do need to

2143
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: talk about the the domino effects from Meers leaving here.

2144
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,200
Speaker 1: We'll get to that put a pin in that. We'll

2145
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 1: do that next hour, because we talked about it a

2146
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago and I suggested he was the

2147
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:31,480
Speaker 1: most sought after free agent in all of this sporting

2148
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 1: universe for the NBA. But the domino effect of what

2149
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: it could mean for that roster really intriguing, next level stuff,

2150
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 1: and we'll do it here next hour. Number eight the

2151
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,879
Speaker 1: New York Football Giants. Number nine, we had the Lakers,

2152
01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: number ten, Man City and number eleven the Los Angeles Rams. Hmmm, wow,

2153
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 1: there you go.

2154
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 3: So money we'll spit now.

2155
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:03,879
Speaker 1: Remember live Gate for Major League Baseball was really hurt.

2156
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 1: So the fact that you have didn't have but anybody

2157
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,599
Speaker 1: in the top ten, right they and certainly in the

2158
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,799
Speaker 1: top twenty five. It was difficult. Thirteen teams from the NFL,

2159
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:20,759
Speaker 1: seven NBA teams, four English Premier teams, and then Bayern

2160
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: Munich from the Bundesliga. So that's what made up your

2161
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 1: top twenty five. Interesting stuff three years ago.

2162
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm still messed up from New England.

2163
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 1: That one that one's still curious to me. I keep

2164
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:35,640
Speaker 1: trying to peace through. It's like, what's the deal that

2165
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 1: put them over? Did they have some international deals and

2166
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:43,960
Speaker 1: moneies that were flowing in based on the brilliance of Brady? Well,

2167
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: not having been inside the stadium, I'm not sure what

2168
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 1: those in stadium branding deals were.

2169
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 2: You definitely have to look at Brady. You definitely have

2170
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 2: to look at championships. You know, there's definitely online sales.

2171
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 2: You know, the leagues are looking to expand more overseas,

2172
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 2: So I don't think that maybe we just maybe you know, American,

2173
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 2: you know, popularity, but from a world perspective, all.

2174
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 1: About getting the global dollars. That's what we're talking about.

2175
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: We dug a lot of NBA you and I, and

2176
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: that's where we know expansion because you mentioned a lot

2177
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:19,639
Speaker 1: of names before, not American born players, and the Patriots

2178
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 1: will host a game in Europe later this year, coming

2179
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: back up NBA Finals Game two. Greetings and welcome in

2180
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: final hour of the program for US this morning, Mike

2181
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: Herman alongside Ryan Hollins with you start to conflate the

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Speaker 1: should be must see Viewing tonight NBA Finals Game two,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hollins, So far three hours. He went down pretty fast.

2189
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 1: And now we get to that as many of our

2190
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,439
Speaker 1: colleagues here refer to it as the power Hour, What

2191
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: is fueling you at this moment?

2192
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:13,160
Speaker 2: I thought we were just ten minutes into the show,

2193
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:15,640
Speaker 2: I mean power Hour. I didn't even know it was

2194
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 2: power ever time.

2195
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 1: That's my guy, that's my guy. That's what I'm talking about.

2196
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:22,599
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. He's done his cardio, he's

2197
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:26,840
Speaker 1: jacked up about it? What all right? Ryan? Game two

2198
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 1: later on this evening. And as much as we are

2199
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 1: excited about the series still to come, heat and nuggets,

2200
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,720
Speaker 1: we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about all of

2201
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: the other comings and goings and rumors, conjecture, speculation, and

2202
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,480
Speaker 1: that's really all it is for now. But a lot

2203
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 1: of big names we're trying to figure out will they

2204
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: stay in their current locations or will they seek greener pastures?

2205
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: A lot of rumors around James Harden. Will he go

2206
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 1: back and join your squad or will he stay in Philadelphia?

2207
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 1: Now that Nick Nurse is on board? Is that going

2208
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: to be massaged? Joel Embiid, you're reigning MVP. A lot

2209
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 1: of rumors, a lot of photo shops. My guy Jason

2210
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Smith trying to speak it into existence like he's love

2211
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 1: our ball, calling for Joel Embiid to become a member

2212
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 1: of the New York Knicks. But now one of the

2213
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 1: complications to it all, Julius Randall had ankle surgery, So

2214
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:27,840
Speaker 1: chaos ensues Philadelphia. Is Nick Nurse gonna be rolling with

2215
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: those guys in Diaries MAXI for another year? Or do

2216
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: we see a shuffle up out in Philly?

2217
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I wouldn't be surprised that

2218
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 2: those guys came back. I think they had a very

2219
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 2: successful year. I think if you look at the Eastern Conference,

2220
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:48,640
Speaker 2: things are wide open. But I mean, honestly, I think

2221
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 2: a lot of that just hinges on whatever decision that

2222
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 2: James Harden makes. I think, obviously, even with Joel and

2223
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 2: b being the MVP. You know you're gonna look around

2224
01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 2: and say, hey, you know, if Harden goes, is he

2225
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 2: gonna be happy? But I think James still holds the

2226
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 2: power and whatever like happens. And one thing, you know,

2227
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 2: with my agent, I'd always go, you know, so the

2228
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,440
Speaker 2: big you know, midnight, as soon as what is it,

2229
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 2: June first or July first, whatever free agency hits, I

2230
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:19,160
Speaker 2: go to my agent. I go, hey, man, why am

2231
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 2: I not signed? Why don't I have a deal right now?

2232
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 2: Why don't I have you know, things in place? As

2233
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 2: soon as you know, the clock strikes and he go, well,

2234
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 2: you know, teams are making calls to you, but the

2235
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 2: big fish go first. You know you're going to be

2236
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 2: second and third in line. So I say that to say,

2237
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 2: James Harden is going to be one of the guys

2238
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 2: that goes first, and then they'll figure out whatever happens

2239
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 2: in the organization, and you know, whatever decision he makes

2240
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 2: me for sure, you know in p Joel embiid of Hey,

2241
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 2: whether he wants to stay there potentially, I guess we're

2242
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 2: speaking into existence. Whether he wants to go and play

2243
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 2: somewhere else.

2244
01:56:57,640 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he does have the player option for those

2245
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 1: unaware of the situation. She had a two year, nearly

2246
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 1: sixty nine million dollar deal. Second year is the player option.

2247
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 1: So how happy are you? How much do you want

2248
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 1: to go? And I guess this goes to the larger question.

2249
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:15,920
Speaker 1: When we talk about a lot of these players that

2250
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:20,280
Speaker 1: we have celebrated and those that folks want to always

2251
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 1: do the next tags and all of those fun things too,

2252
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 1: we forget exactly how long guys have been around the league, right,

2253
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:28,720
Speaker 1: so when folks say, all right, well the face can

2254
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: be this guy and they'll throw you out us up,

2255
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 1: it's like he's been in for a decade, or this

2256
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: guy he's done this. But when we talk about Harden

2257
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: or Kyrie or KD before the trade, when rumblings were

2258
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: that he wanted out of Brooklyn, all of those, you're

2259
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 1: weighing the player versus what else comes to the table

2260
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 1: with him when it comes to the locker room. One

2261
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: thing to say, hey, here's work ethic, here's what you know,

2262
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,800
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen between the white lines. But the other

2263
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:00,839
Speaker 1: is how does that affect the rest of the squad

2264
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:05,960
Speaker 1: You're attempting to build and trying to manage your week

2265
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 1: to week game to game right NFL one of the

2266
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:12,480
Speaker 1: great things Lovey Smith always preached and I was very

2267
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 1: public with some of the Hey you hit the mountain

2268
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 1: a player coach had some great highs, some circumstances where

2269
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 1: they had a lot of success in Chicago, But at

2270
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 1: some point, if you're not winning consistently late November and

2271
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: in December and playoff failures, you're not going to have

2272
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 1: a job very long. With a lot of NBA players,

2273
01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 1: you're trying to manage the year from a health perspective,

2274
01:58:36,520 --> 01:58:40,720
Speaker 1: but also, let's face it, personalities and ruling through. We

2275
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit earlier, and it's a

2276
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:46,120
Speaker 1: promo running that Smith and I were talking about. You know,

2277
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:51,080
Speaker 1: pick your poison, you know, and it's both great, just

2278
01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 1: a question of which is better than the other. Of

2279
01:58:53,640 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 1: dealing with Lebron James Clutch and the expectations there or

2280
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant and the potential for his burner accounts to

2281
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 1: come at you or for him to just ghost you

2282
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 1: and decide he wants out as he did in Brooklyn.

2283
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,960
Speaker 1: So trying to manage a squad in this day and age,

2284
01:59:11,120 --> 01:59:13,120
Speaker 1: it's just a different animal than it was even ten

2285
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 1: years ago.

2286
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 2: Ryan, No, it is, and you know it takes some

2287
01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 2: pluses and minuses. I think the biggest plus is that

2288
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 2: these players understand that they're more than just a number.

2289
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 2: They understand that they have power and situations that they

2290
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:31,200
Speaker 2: can go forward and exercise. And I think what hurts

2291
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 2: is sometimes you know, things get ugly on that side,

2292
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:36,640
Speaker 2: but you know what, knowing that's an eye. And I

2293
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:38,120
Speaker 2: say this as a former player, and I want you

2294
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 2: people to listen up when I say this. When a

2295
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 2: guy gets gets randomly traded and he finds out back

2296
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:48,280
Speaker 2: in the day in the newspaper, are nowadays on Twitter,

2297
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 2: or a guy's in it, you know, spent years of

2298
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 2: service with an organization and then all of a sudden,

2299
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:55,800
Speaker 2: his cold don't work to get in the doors.

2300
01:59:55,920 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 1: So I think the life there, yeah.

2301
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But everybody looks at the player when they

2302
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:04,200
Speaker 2: want out, and maybe they don't do it in the

2303
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 2: fashion in which you think they should have respected an organization.

2304
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:10,040
Speaker 2: I hope that they always do, but you don't look

2305
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 2: at that side. And you know, it's it becomes just

2306
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 2: business when it happens to the player. But when the

2307
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 2: player does it, they're entitled and spoiled and all these things,

2308
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 2: or when a player says, hey, man, you just paid

2309
02:00:20,640 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 2: me this money, I don't want to be here anymore,

2310
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, send me elsewhere. They're oh, this guy's so

2311
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,160
Speaker 2: entitled to this, and it's it's play out your contract.

2312
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 2: But it's like, no, you gotta you gotta have it

2313
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:34,360
Speaker 2: both ways. When when the player does what he wants

2314
02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 2: to do within his contract and says he wants out,

2315
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:38,760
Speaker 2: you gotta respect that the same way that you know

2316
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 2: that the guy gets you know, fired or traded on

2317
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 2: his day off.

2318
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:44,120
Speaker 3: You know.

2319
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's that interesting dichotomy, right how much we

2320
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:52,760
Speaker 1: we go with the business perspective of it. I always say,

2321
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 1: go get what you can. Just recognize the the backlash

2322
02:00:56,920 --> 02:00:59,360
Speaker 1: that's going to be there, right because at the end

2323
02:00:59,400 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 1: of the day, you've got millions of bond, millions of

2324
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 1: fans keyboard battling along the way with you, and some

2325
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:12,400
Speaker 1: players will engage in that. Kevin Durant and others Lebron

2326
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:16,440
Speaker 1: to a degree, yeah, let me put well, he's never

2327
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna come out straight and say it. So one thing

2328
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:22,000
Speaker 1: I've always and I guess Durant to a degree didn't.

2329
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,760
Speaker 1: He's been better about finding his own voice as opposed

2330
02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:27,880
Speaker 1: to one of his cyber alter egos. But that was

2331
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Speaker 1: the one thing I respected most about James Harden when

2332
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,520
Speaker 1: he said he wanted out out of Houston. And I

2333
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:36,240
Speaker 1: don't think people liked the way that was, but kind

2334
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 1: of just laid it out there. Don't have to like it,

2335
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:43,160
Speaker 1: but he said, here's the issue I'm having, here's what

2336
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:46,720
Speaker 1: I want to do, and then we saw it not

2337
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:50,080
Speaker 1: work the next stop. At some point, you know, the

2338
02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 1: problem keeps going around. At some point, the problem is you.

2339
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 1: But if you're putting up numbers, there's always gonna be

2340
02:01:56,640 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: another team that wants to give a shot to you.

2341
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 1: But with that comes the risk of, hey, you're not

2342
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: available at times, or in Harden's case, we look at

2343
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 1: playoff issues of the past to where if you're signing

2344
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:11,880
Speaker 1: up for him, are you going to get it? Because

2345
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:15,840
Speaker 1: get the full run of what he could be. Because

2346
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:18,000
Speaker 1: even in this last run with Philly, a couple of

2347
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 1: great games and a couple where he really didn't give

2348
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,320
Speaker 1: you much of anything from the offensive end you were

2349
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:24,760
Speaker 1: banking on.

2350
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, it's all situational. It's all situational.

2351
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 2: You know, it's tough. I think the biggest takeaway we

2352
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 2: can take from James Harden we are talking James Harden here,

2353
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 2: is that he can go and give you a forty

2354
02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:44,680
Speaker 2: almost fifty point performance in a playoff setting. Now, how

2355
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 2: you harness that? How you manage that? Are you going

2356
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 2: to ask James to be that same James every night?

2357
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 2: Are you gonna ask for point guard James? It all depends.

2358
02:02:52,240 --> 02:02:54,880
Speaker 2: And also we can take away is that James Harden

2359
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 2: was a different player. He did that without Joel Embiid,

2360
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:59,840
Speaker 2: you know, so is he still the guy that you say,

2361
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:02,160
Speaker 2: hey man, give you your team to him?

2362
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 3: You know?

2363
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:05,880
Speaker 2: How does he he mix or play well? And unfortunately,

2364
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 2: I think James gets scrutiny because he is such a

2365
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:11,040
Speaker 2: great scorer and because he can't adapt his game and go,

2366
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:13,480
Speaker 2: you know, play that off ball point guard role that

2367
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,280
Speaker 2: a lot of guys can't adapt and play. Some guys

2368
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 2: are just you know, passes, some guys are just scoring.

2369
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:21,440
Speaker 2: James Harden can do both. But unfortunately, because he's so

2370
02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,560
Speaker 2: great scoring the ball, he does take that scrutiny. So

2371
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,520
Speaker 2: I think wherever he goes, they're gonna have to weigh

2372
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,360
Speaker 2: out and say, hey man, how do we get the

2373
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 2: most out of James Harden. We looked at a guy

2374
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:34,280
Speaker 2: like Chris Ball who's gone out and adapted it kind

2375
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 2: of changed his game for longevity. Lebron James, you know,

2376
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:40,240
Speaker 2: developed the three ball. He shoots a lot of threes.

2377
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,680
Speaker 2: I'd be interested to see the numbers of Lebron early

2378
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 2: in his career to you know, now his three point

2379
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 2: percentages and the amount of threes that he gets up.

2380
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 2: So I think James is gonna have to figure that out,

2381
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:53,440
Speaker 2: and whatever organization he goes to, they're gonna say how

2382
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 2: do we get the most out of him? And it

2383
02:03:56,240 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 2: did seem in Philadelphia they were still trying to figure out, Hey,

2384
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:02,280
Speaker 2: how do we get him and Joel to work? You

2385
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:06,000
Speaker 2: see them both have individual successes, but work together, because

2386
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:08,320
Speaker 2: it seemed like, you know, you lost a little bit

2387
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:10,520
Speaker 2: from James when he was in the lineup.

2388
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also have to recognize sometimes in the locker

2389
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 1: room or front office, someone's got to be able to

2390
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 1: go and grab the superstar and say, hey, the threes

2391
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:25,160
Speaker 1: aren't falling, let's let's maybe back away high Lebron. Uh

2392
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:29,120
Speaker 1: see I did it again. Wow, there you go morning.

2393
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 1: Look at what I'm doing there? Me exactly. He's Ryan

2394
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:37,600
Speaker 1: Hollins on Mike Harvey. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Fox

2395
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Uh yeah, the offseason movement of players is

2396
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: going to be interesting because, again tying to the coaching

2397
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:49,720
Speaker 1: side of things, since you know, hired to be fired

2398
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:53,520
Speaker 1: and most teams not looking at long term, looking for

2399
02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:58,160
Speaker 1: that short term return. You know, coaches always, I think

2400
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 1: would be a little nervous when some of the superstars

2401
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 1: would come in as well, knowing that if it doesn't

2402
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:07,720
Speaker 1: go right, it's not necessarily about bouncing the player that

2403
02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:12,360
Speaker 1: they're the one needing to relocate that following year. That said,

2404
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 1: another story on the NBA doc at Adam Silver talked

2405
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:21,240
Speaker 1: about it earlier this week, the curious case of John Morant.

2406
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:24,760
Speaker 1: No details just yet, but can we read anything from

2407
02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:27,680
Speaker 1: the commissioner's statement about what he said the other night

2408
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:32,280
Speaker 1: related to potential punishment? Ryan, and I'll sort that out

2409
02:05:32,280 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 1: with you next here on Fox Sports Sunday. All right,

2410
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna go up another hill. Let's go get those

2411
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: feet pedaling, get them pumping, Ryan Hollins or dance as

2412
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:51,800
Speaker 1: you need you, Mike Carbon Ryan Hollins with you here,

2413
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday. Hey, we want to

2414
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:58,040
Speaker 1: make sure we welcome in our new affiliate, Peoria, Illinois,

2415
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:02,520
Speaker 1: Peoria's Sports Radio one on one point one. Welcome to

2416
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:06,800
Speaker 1: the Fox Sports Radio Family, Chicago White Sox Radio network affiliate.

2417
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 1: Yay me program director Scott Heckethorn dropped another network to

2418
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:15,600
Speaker 1: make way and to make the flip for Fox Sports.

2419
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:18,200
Speaker 1: It's a huge win for them, huge win for us.

2420
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:22,200
Speaker 1: Welcome to the FSR family, Peoria's Sports Radio one on

2421
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 1: one point one. Slow and steady expansion. Ryan Hollins, Hey,

2422
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:34,600
Speaker 1: one at a time, operational excellence, the excellence of elocution.

2423
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:37,280
Speaker 1: All right, So I stole Brett Hart's line and I

2424
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 1: mixed it up a little bit for radio purposes. Seriously,

2425
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 1: very excited to be on back in Illinois, in Peoria.

2426
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:48,840
Speaker 1: Look forward to great things ahead. And now I can

2427
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 1: have a real legitimate excuse to jam more Chicago White

2428
02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:57,960
Speaker 1: Sox baseball into our conversation. There you go, more celebrations

2429
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:00,400
Speaker 1: of Paul Canerko, How we got him to call in

2430
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,360
Speaker 1: for my birthday one year and basically told my producer

2431
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 1: to lose his number. All good things. So from the

2432
02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:14,080
Speaker 1: positivity there here, we'll do the positive one first, because

2433
02:07:14,080 --> 02:07:16,120
Speaker 1: we got to put our thinking hats on for the

2434
02:07:16,160 --> 02:07:18,920
Speaker 1: second half. We'll get to the Jah Morant story in

2435
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,680
Speaker 1: a minute. But I have a hero and prefacing it

2436
02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:25,160
Speaker 1: by being a Chicago kid Bears fan all my life,

2437
02:07:25,200 --> 02:07:30,560
Speaker 1: going back to sweater wearing, gum, chewing, flip you off

2438
02:07:30,600 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 1: at a at a moment's notice, Mike Ditka, and hating

2439
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:37,440
Speaker 1: the Packers with the every fiber of my being. Respect right,

2440
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:40,600
Speaker 1: a healthy respect, but a hatred nonetheless. But I now

2441
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:42,040
Speaker 1: have a guy. I might actually have to get a

2442
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:45,200
Speaker 1: jersey of this guy. And look, I love aj Dillon,

2443
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 1: I love the Quadzilla thing. But Romeo Dobbs, second year

2444
02:07:50,040 --> 02:07:53,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver right as a rookie playing alongside Aaron Rodgers

2445
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,600
Speaker 1: and company. Now Jordan Love ascends to the throne with

2446
02:07:56,720 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 1: Rogers in New York, told Spectrum News whose Spectrum newswe

2447
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:06,960
Speaker 1: dot com told Dennis Krause, quote, I think Jordan is

2448
02:08:07,000 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 1: a really good quarterback. When you go from Aaron Rodgers

2449
02:08:10,240 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 1: to Jordan, Aaron was a great quarterback, but I believe

2450
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:16,520
Speaker 1: Jordan can do the exact same thing. So I really

2451
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:19,960
Speaker 1: don't see what's the big difference. Romeo Dobs is down

2452
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:26,800
Speaker 1: my hero, said beat at Rogers. That's a guy saying

2453
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:29,160
Speaker 1: throw me the ball ten times a game. I mean,

2454
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 1: that was great lobbying by the young wide receiver to say,

2455
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 1: let me be your number one man. But also for

2456
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:38,960
Speaker 1: the idea of, hey, that guy's gone. I don't have

2457
02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:43,280
Speaker 1: to I don't have to genuflect in his direction anymore.

2458
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:46,520
Speaker 1: He's a jet. Here's what we have now. I like this.

2459
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 3: It's spilled milk at that point. And I get it.

2460
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:53,800
Speaker 2: You can endorse your quarterback now, I don't know how

2461
02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:58,240
Speaker 2: much I agree with saying he can do the same thing.

2462
02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 2: So I went to Cleveland, right, played in Cleveland when

2463
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:06,160
Speaker 2: Lebron left, and obviously there were a lot of motion

2464
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:09,120
Speaker 2: emotions still there. It was, you know, it was just

2465
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:14,120
Speaker 2: kind of weird, you know, and you couldn't deny Lebron's

2466
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:17,200
Speaker 2: presence there. And it did come at a bad time

2467
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:21,160
Speaker 2: because there was, you know, just the emotions from the city.

2468
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:25,040
Speaker 2: It's just it wasn't done in the right fashion. But

2469
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:28,360
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us were bold enough to

2470
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:31,080
Speaker 2: go and say, hey, man, I'm about to put the

2471
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:34,400
Speaker 2: ball in Anthony Parker's hands. Man, forget that Lebron guy.

2472
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:37,320
Speaker 2: He's got nothing on Anthony Parker, and neither would Neither

2473
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:40,400
Speaker 2: would Anthony Parker. So you like the voter confidence in

2474
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,840
Speaker 2: your quarterback and moving forward. I get it.

2475
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:43,120
Speaker 3: You.

2476
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:46,880
Speaker 2: You are tired of hearing about Aaron Rodgers and this

2477
02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:49,080
Speaker 2: thing has just been drug out and drug out and

2478
02:09:49,120 --> 02:09:51,640
Speaker 2: drug out, and finally you know he's able to move on.

2479
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:53,400
Speaker 2: The organization couldn't move on.

2480
02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:59,960
Speaker 1: But Yan, Yeah, they're still spilling all the tea. Right,

2481
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna get story after story about meetings or missed opportunities.

2482
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Rogers taking every opportunity. It's like, well, I

2483
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,480
Speaker 1: call and I call back the people that I like. Like,

2484
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:12,880
Speaker 1: at that point, he was still your boss. They were

2485
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:15,000
Speaker 1: trying to work things out and figure out what was next.

2486
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 1: You were still under contract. And again owing to the

2487
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:20,120
Speaker 1: prior discussion of you don't have to like him, but

2488
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 1: in the end, have the conversation and take the call. Hey,

2489
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:25,080
Speaker 1: I Donna be, you need to.

2490
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how wise the move is to say

2491
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:32,680
Speaker 2: that you don't need Aaron Rodgers or or or or

2492
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:37,680
Speaker 2: you're setting your young quarterback up for failure. Okay, you

2493
02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:38,160
Speaker 2: know where that.

2494
02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 1: Oh we all need a hype man, though, Ryan, and we.

2495
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,120
Speaker 2: Know where that lies. We know where it is. And

2496
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:47,000
Speaker 2: you know what, I probably hype my quarterback up the

2497
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 2: same way. But I mean there's a level where don't

2498
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:52,440
Speaker 2: leave him out for you put him in a bad place,

2499
02:10:52,440 --> 02:10:55,400
Speaker 2: because then someone's gonna someone's gonna, you know, want to

2500
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 2: cash that check.

2501
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:02,440
Speaker 1: No, there's no question, and certainly it's it's that difficult spot,

2502
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 1: right because as the player's there, you're gonna be asked

2503
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:09,040
Speaker 1: about it all off season. What's the difference, how's the

2504
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:12,840
Speaker 1: ball coming off his hand different? You've worked with him

2505
02:11:12,920 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: for a year because he was there, right, Dobb's there

2506
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:19,000
Speaker 1: going into a second year, and Jordan loves God, been

2507
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:21,520
Speaker 1: in the game now a couple of years waiting for

2508
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 1: his turn, So all those comparisons were inevitable. And all

2509
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:28,400
Speaker 1: the the pundits, all the scribes there, they're gonna poke

2510
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:30,440
Speaker 1: and they're gonna prod and try to get some answer.

2511
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:33,760
Speaker 1: So I think for Romeo Dobbs, to some degree, this

2512
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:36,040
Speaker 1: is the Hey, I know what Jordan could do, He's

2513
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:39,880
Speaker 1: gonna be great. The other guy's gone beat it, and

2514
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I can respect that. I like any guy

2515
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:45,840
Speaker 1: that's got that much bravado to do that in his

2516
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:46,480
Speaker 1: second year.

2517
02:11:46,760 --> 02:11:49,160
Speaker 2: Well, here here's the thing. I don't want to be

2518
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:51,280
Speaker 2: better than Aaron Rodgers. I want to be the best

2519
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:52,240
Speaker 2: of me that I can be.

2520
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 1: Oh, look at you? Are you writing a motivational speech

2521
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 1: for me?

2522
02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:59,240
Speaker 2: It's true because if you chase an Aaron Rodgers, that's it.

2523
02:11:59,280 --> 02:11:59,920
Speaker 3: That's an l R.

2524
02:12:00,080 --> 02:12:04,520
Speaker 2: Ready, Okay, that's a loss. And if you even look

2525
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,240
Speaker 2: at Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers won't going that. Maybe he

2526
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:08,840
Speaker 2: said it under his breath, maybe he said it with

2527
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:13,120
Speaker 2: his friends. You know, clearly he probably chased Brett Farr.

2528
02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:16,400
Speaker 2: But there wasn't a I gotta be better than Brett Farb.

2529
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:16,800
Speaker 3: You know.

2530
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:18,520
Speaker 2: It was just like all right, let me go do

2531
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:20,200
Speaker 2: my thing. And then it was like, hey, this kid

2532
02:12:20,320 --> 02:12:23,120
Speaker 2: is pretty good. So I don't I think you set

2533
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:25,600
Speaker 2: yourself up for failure. I'm not saying he's going to fail,

2534
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:27,560
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's advantageous to.

2535
02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:30,920
Speaker 1: Do it in that faster Yeah. I think the big

2536
02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 1: thing and the extension of his comments kind of go

2537
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 1: to the organization as well. You know, we talk about

2538
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 1: the organizational stability, and Green Bay has long been one

2539
02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 1: of those that's been held up in that high regard,

2540
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:48,280
Speaker 1: regardless of obviously very high profile separations from their last

2541
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:51,760
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, ultimately to the same destination, the New York

2542
02:12:51,800 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 1: Football Jets. But I think Dobbs and I didn't even

2543
02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:59,560
Speaker 1: think about that in the larger perspective. Yeah, that's kind

2544
02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:00,280
Speaker 1: of strange.

2545
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:03,440
Speaker 3: Right fars first.

2546
02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:05,200
Speaker 1: Right, that was second, they wouldn't let him go to

2547
02:13:05,200 --> 02:13:08,280
Speaker 1: the Vikings right away, right, same division as backers. So

2548
02:13:08,360 --> 02:13:10,920
Speaker 1: he had that run in with the Jets, and he

2549
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,680
Speaker 1: actually was playing really well before he hurt his arm.

2550
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:18,480
Speaker 1: And that's one thing that I can always Needle Smith about, uh,

2551
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 1: is you know you did have far before and everything

2552
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 1: was going great until it wasn't. And so when he

2553
02:13:24,720 --> 02:13:27,280
Speaker 1: starts getting excited about Roger, like, hey remember the last

2554
02:13:27,320 --> 02:13:31,280
Speaker 1: for look, it's it's easy Fodder's Sports Talk radio. I

2555
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:36,200
Speaker 1: wish injury on no man, woman, child, or beast. I

2556
02:13:36,240 --> 02:13:40,400
Speaker 1: want everybody to move through, but we recognize injuries, uh,

2557
02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:42,839
Speaker 1: in such a part. But yeah, there was the poison

2558
02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,440
Speaker 1: pill in all of that that there was no way

2559
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:49,120
Speaker 1: Farv was getting to his desired destination without at least

2560
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:52,440
Speaker 1: a stopover somewhere else. So had the Jets in a

2561
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:55,959
Speaker 1: pretty good run before he got injured, and then eventually

2562
02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:58,360
Speaker 1: found his way back to Minnesota, where he had them

2563
02:13:58,640 --> 02:14:00,840
Speaker 1: on a really good run before he threw one of

2564
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:04,320
Speaker 1: the most ill fated interceptions of all time that gave

2565
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: us the great Paul Allen quote, why do you even

2566
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:11,720
Speaker 1: ponder passing when they could just run the football? But yeah,

2567
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,920
Speaker 1: all of that as we get closer to the NFL season.

2568
02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:16,360
Speaker 1: But I think Romeo Dobbs part of it was, Hey,

2569
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:20,240
Speaker 1: we're an organization that moves forward, and this is what

2570
02:14:20,280 --> 02:14:22,360
Speaker 1: we do, and we've got a guy that'll be prepared

2571
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:25,360
Speaker 1: to play. It's as much of a just hey, we

2572
02:14:25,400 --> 02:14:29,480
Speaker 1: can keep the greatness going, rather than the comparing necessarily

2573
02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:32,720
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers. But it makes for good fodder, It

2574
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:36,680
Speaker 1: makes for good content. And anytime you can just say, hey,

2575
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:39,320
Speaker 1: you want a bunch of MVPs. You got us a

2576
02:14:39,320 --> 02:14:42,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl win, but then you want it out for

2577
02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:44,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yeah, it's okay, We'll move on,

2578
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:48,480
Speaker 1: and that's fine by me. Although I still haven't broken

2579
02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:51,160
Speaker 1: open the champagne bottle. At one point I'd gotten a

2580
02:14:51,160 --> 02:14:55,200
Speaker 1: bottle of champagne for all the rumors of Rogers leaving

2581
02:14:55,240 --> 02:14:58,800
Speaker 1: the Packers. That's still sitting in my fridge. Oh no,

2582
02:15:00,360 --> 02:15:03,760
Speaker 1: you might have to liberate that Champagne here at some point.

2583
02:15:04,200 --> 02:15:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you're right, it is time you deserve it. Man.

2584
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:12,800
Speaker 1: You've been years, thirty years between him and Farv and

2585
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:16,280
Speaker 1: only for a couple of Brent Hunley starts and stuff.

2586
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:19,160
Speaker 1: Did I Did I get any any relief?

2587
02:15:20,080 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 2: Hey?

2588
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:23,400
Speaker 3: Man? Brent Henley? Man, that's a former Bruin right there, man, Come.

2589
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:25,600
Speaker 1: On, yeah. But that's why Jordan Love got drafted is

2590
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:28,320
Speaker 1: that they didn't find themselves in another Brent Hunley situation

2591
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:32,680
Speaker 1: because they started that season well, then Rogers got hurt

2592
02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:37,880
Speaker 1: and it unraveled very quickly. So when they drafted Love,

2593
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,840
Speaker 1: and I'll continue to bang the drum for that one

2594
02:15:41,440 --> 02:15:45,600
Speaker 1: in defending that choice, even though maybe it rankled the

2595
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:49,320
Speaker 1: and ruffled the feathers of your quarterback, maybe enough to

2596
02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:53,400
Speaker 1: where you finally had to say goodbye good times.

2597
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:55,280
Speaker 2: When you look back, do you think that was a

2598
02:15:55,320 --> 02:15:56,200
Speaker 2: smart choice or not?

2599
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:00,680
Speaker 1: Well, I can't do that three years later when you're

2600
02:16:00,720 --> 02:16:07,480
Speaker 1: supposed to in your line of what you get. But

2601
02:16:07,560 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 1: I evaluated in the moment, right Like when the Bears

2602
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:12,160
Speaker 1: went and made their trade to go get Mitchell Trubisky,

2603
02:16:12,440 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 1: it was all right, they decided that was their guy.

2604
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:15,000
Speaker 1: Good for them.

2605
02:16:15,160 --> 02:16:17,520
Speaker 3: No, it's fair for you to look back. Should they

2606
02:16:17,560 --> 02:16:19,200
Speaker 3: have made that motor move? Yes? Not.

2607
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:23,160
Speaker 1: I would still take the I think I get my

2608
02:16:23,320 --> 02:16:29,160
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future and I have backup. Okay, man,

2609
02:16:29,960 --> 02:16:32,640
Speaker 1: because it worked the first time. Now, if you've gone

2610
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 1: and drafted a wide receiver, might that have been better?

2611
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. They always drafted him second round wide receivers.

2612
02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:42,959
Speaker 1: They they never left that cupboard. Bear, just because the

2613
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:47,080
Speaker 1: guy was picked thirty four instead of pick nineteen, what's

2614
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:47,720
Speaker 1: the difference.

2615
02:16:48,560 --> 02:16:50,400
Speaker 3: That's a that's a difference.

2616
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:53,720
Speaker 1: Our fifteen other wide receivers drafted.

2617
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:58,160
Speaker 2: There, Ryan, Listen, that's the guy that that you know

2618
02:16:59,240 --> 02:17:01,640
Speaker 2: runs it four to three versus a four to four.

2619
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:06,440
Speaker 2: You know that's a different sweet Julio Jones and you know,

2620
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:08,039
Speaker 2: just another.

2621
02:17:08,360 --> 02:17:10,360
Speaker 1: Back end of the first round. No, not quite.

2622
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:16,880
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, ask Aaron Rodgers how he feels about that

2623
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:17,720
Speaker 2: right now?

2624
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:20,160
Speaker 1: And in the end, if he got all up in

2625
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:24,480
Speaker 1: his fields, you know, there's pragmatism and recognizing what you are.

2626
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,480
Speaker 1: The bigger issue is he shouldn't have allowed Matt Lafleur

2627
02:17:27,560 --> 02:17:29,760
Speaker 1: to send out a field goal kicker when you're down

2628
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:32,280
Speaker 1: eight and Tom Brady's getting the ball back in all

2629
02:17:32,440 --> 02:17:33,080
Speaker 1: playoff game.

2630
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he's not the head coach. I mean,

2631
02:17:35,720 --> 02:17:37,640
Speaker 3: you can't scrutiniz you can't beat both things.

2632
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:41,199
Speaker 1: Man, star players. We we just went through a whole

2633
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:45,400
Speaker 1: analysis of Lebron James telling you how to operate and

2634
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:48,000
Speaker 1: how to do things. Aaron Rodgers can't do the same

2635
02:17:48,040 --> 02:17:50,000
Speaker 1: thing as a long tenured quarterback.

2636
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:53,800
Speaker 2: Well, clearly he hasn't, or that's what or he didn't

2637
02:17:53,840 --> 02:17:58,000
Speaker 2: and then he's been scrutinized for it. Yeah, because he's

2638
02:17:58,080 --> 02:17:58,840
Speaker 2: not making the calls.

2639
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:01,160
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm the only guy I think in national radio

2640
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:02,400
Speaker 1: that went that route.

2641
02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:10,240
Speaker 2: I mean maybe maybe that's why he's with the Jets now.

2642
02:18:10,320 --> 02:18:12,119
Speaker 3: He wants to make those calls.

2643
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:15,040
Speaker 2: He doesn't agree when those calls aren't made, and he's

2644
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:17,959
Speaker 2: you know, he's vowing to say, Hey, this situation comes

2645
02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:20,480
Speaker 2: up again, I'm gonna have a say because he didn't

2646
02:18:20,480 --> 02:18:21,400
Speaker 2: have a say last time.

2647
02:18:21,600 --> 02:18:23,400
Speaker 1: Now he could have called time out and forced the

2648
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:27,840
Speaker 1: issue instead of unbuckling his chin strap and just running

2649
02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:34,720
Speaker 1: to the sideline as the field goal kicker came out situational. Hey,

2650
02:18:34,879 --> 02:18:37,920
Speaker 1: with great power comes great responsibility. I held Russell Wilson

2651
02:18:37,959 --> 02:18:40,760
Speaker 1: to the fire in this past year when they had

2652
02:18:40,760 --> 02:18:43,920
Speaker 1: that opening season loss to the Seahawks. Why are you

2653
02:18:44,040 --> 02:18:46,560
Speaker 1: leaving the field when the guy's gonna attempt a sixty

2654
02:18:46,560 --> 02:18:47,560
Speaker 1: three yard field goal?

2655
02:18:49,400 --> 02:18:53,240
Speaker 2: Well, hey, Russell, Russell got a lot of grace. But

2656
02:18:53,320 --> 02:18:55,920
Speaker 2: this was a tough year for Russell Wilson. I hope

2657
02:18:55,959 --> 02:18:59,240
Speaker 2: that he hasn't fallen off the cliff like expected. I

2658
02:18:59,240 --> 02:19:01,680
Speaker 2: hope there's a lot more or football left in him.

2659
02:19:01,720 --> 02:19:05,200
Speaker 2: I think this is this was a tough year man.

2660
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:07,360
Speaker 2: I think just for his legacy. I just don't The

2661
02:19:07,400 --> 02:19:08,360
Speaker 2: optics weren't good.

2662
02:19:08,400 --> 02:19:10,040
Speaker 3: I didn't. It didn't look good for Denver.

2663
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:13,200
Speaker 2: I just and then you know, social media, you know,

2664
02:19:13,320 --> 02:19:15,880
Speaker 2: blows it up and it teammates yelling at him and

2665
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:19,200
Speaker 2: the defense was fussing out on this is I didn't

2666
02:19:19,240 --> 02:19:20,280
Speaker 2: like what happened over there.

2667
02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:23,440
Speaker 1: Well, if all of it comes to play, it's what

2668
02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:27,160
Speaker 1: started in Seattle where it was Russell and everybody else,

2669
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:30,920
Speaker 1: and then in Denver he literally had an office above

2670
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:33,720
Speaker 1: everybody else and Sean Payton thought it was a joke

2671
02:19:34,440 --> 02:19:36,480
Speaker 1: and people all around him. So if it doesn't work

2672
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:38,520
Speaker 1: in year one with Sean Payton, guess what someone else

2673
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:41,240
Speaker 1: will be hiring Russell Wilson to be their quarterback in

2674
02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:44,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Good times all around.

2675
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope that things end up better than Denver,

2676
02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:49,360
Speaker 2: but it ain't. Yeah, it ain't looking good.

2677
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:51,800
Speaker 1: So eventually I got to go back and relitigate the

2678
02:19:51,920 --> 02:19:55,120
Speaker 1: NFL draft order from twenty twenty and I'll do that

2679
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:58,280
Speaker 1: while we turn things over to Monsey Belangos. Get us

2680
02:19:58,320 --> 02:20:01,360
Speaker 1: an update on our sporting universe, because I'm trying to

2681
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:05,160
Speaker 1: remember who was drafted after George Love before their next

2682
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:09,240
Speaker 1: pick a substitute. You know, normally it would be a

2683
02:20:09,320 --> 02:20:12,920
Speaker 1: crack research staff, but everybody's listening to Steve Hartman Reguale.

2684
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:13,920
Speaker 1: Great story, right.

2685
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:17,040
Speaker 4: I bet you Steve Hartman knows though, who was drafted.

2686
02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:19,879
Speaker 4: I guarantee you yes, I wouldn't have to even look

2687
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:23,160
Speaker 4: a look on the internet if he's here for anything.

2688
02:20:23,240 --> 02:20:24,600
Speaker 5: Usually, guys.

2689
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:28,680
Speaker 4: Game two of the NBA Finals tonight a PM Eastern

2690
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:33,720
Speaker 4: time Miami Heat against the Denver Nuggets. The latest injury

2691
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:37,320
Speaker 4: report Caleb Martin, who missed yesterday's practice for Miami with

2692
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:40,680
Speaker 4: an illness. He is still listed as questionable in the

2693
02:20:40,760 --> 02:20:44,119
Speaker 4: latest injury report that the NBA has up and yesterday

2694
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:46,160
Speaker 4: the Stanley Cup Final began. It was Game one between

2695
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:48,520
Speaker 4: the Golden Knights and the Panthers. Vegas was the one

2696
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:50,640
Speaker 4: who came out on top, scoring three goals in the

2697
02:20:50,680 --> 02:20:53,280
Speaker 4: third period to win five to two. Game two will

2698
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:57,000
Speaker 4: be on Monday back in Vegas. One baseball game going

2699
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,440
Speaker 4: on right now. It's the Cardinals and the Pirates.

2700
02:20:59,480 --> 02:21:01,400
Speaker 5: It is too I know we're on the West Coast,

2701
02:21:01,440 --> 02:21:02,880
Speaker 5: but I'm like, how are you playing already?

2702
02:21:02,879 --> 02:21:04,800
Speaker 1: It's Sea copy.

2703
02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:06,800
Speaker 5: I would hate this.

2704
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:09,840
Speaker 4: I know we're on the West Coast, but the Pirates

2705
02:21:09,879 --> 02:21:13,080
Speaker 4: are currently beating the Cardinals to zero. It's the bottom

2706
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:16,240
Speaker 4: of the fourth inning and we still have the French

2707
02:21:16,360 --> 02:21:20,160
Speaker 4: Open going on. World number one Carlos al Karaz has

2708
02:21:20,200 --> 02:21:23,040
Speaker 4: won his first two sets. This is the fourth round,

2709
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,840
Speaker 4: but earlier today Novak Djokovic won.

2710
02:21:25,720 --> 02:21:28,000
Speaker 5: His fourth round match in three straight sets.

2711
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:31,119
Speaker 4: He's headed to the quarterfinals for the fourteenth consecutive year.

2712
02:21:31,160 --> 02:21:33,640
Speaker 4: That's the longest streak by a man in the event's history,

2713
02:21:33,720 --> 02:21:37,800
Speaker 4: five years longer than Roger Federer and Rory McElroy.

2714
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:39,279
Speaker 5: Is tied for the lead at the Memorial Tournament.

2715
02:21:39,320 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 4: He's gonna tee off for the fourth and final round

2716
02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:44,760
Speaker 4: around one thirty five pm Eastern time. Victor Hoblin is

2717
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,840
Speaker 4: in the group. That's one shot back. And this not

2718
02:21:47,879 --> 02:21:49,800
Speaker 4: great news for Nationals. I'm gonna go back to baseball

2719
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,840
Speaker 4: because I just found this from the Washington Post. Nationals

2720
02:21:52,879 --> 02:21:55,880
Speaker 4: have completely shut down pitcher Steven Strasburg.

2721
02:21:56,280 --> 02:21:59,320
Speaker 5: He is dealing with severe nerve damage. He has not

2722
02:21:59,400 --> 02:22:01,840
Speaker 5: pitched in the mad since last June, and.

2723
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,640
Speaker 4: The story goes that he could be done, his career

2724
02:22:04,760 --> 02:22:06,080
Speaker 4: could be done.

2725
02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:08,920
Speaker 5: Back to you, guys, it's been fun. I'm finally waking up.

2726
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:10,160
Speaker 5: Finally there.

2727
02:22:10,600 --> 02:22:11,040
Speaker 3: That's good.

2728
02:22:11,240 --> 02:22:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, just time to go watch the Dodgers.

2729
02:22:14,280 --> 02:22:17,199
Speaker 5: Go work, and then watch first work, then.

2730
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:19,520
Speaker 1: Watch Okay, you know, get that extra coffee in this.

2731
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:21,280
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm gonna go get the coffee and then

2732
02:22:21,320 --> 02:22:22,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna finish this.

2733
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:25,280
Speaker 1: Bagel, add an extra shot to it. Possibly be careful

2734
02:22:25,320 --> 02:22:27,000
Speaker 1: with the bagel, though, because I mean the carbs might

2735
02:22:27,320 --> 02:22:28,360
Speaker 1: might bring you back down.

2736
02:22:28,480 --> 02:22:30,200
Speaker 5: No, don't tell me that I love cars.

2737
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:35,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was not a weight thing. That

2738
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:38,920
Speaker 1: was completely Take it like that, an energy thing, Hollins,

2739
02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:42,160
Speaker 1: How dare you try to sow such seeds of malcontentedness?

2740
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:43,400
Speaker 5: Take it like that.

2741
02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 1: He knew exactly what I was saying there.

2742
02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:48,160
Speaker 5: I just I was like, no, I love carbs, don't

2743
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,920
Speaker 5: tell me that. Don't tell me it would not work

2744
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:54,480
Speaker 5: with the coffee. Ryan me that Ryot's shooting violence this morning.

2745
02:22:55,160 --> 02:22:58,080
Speaker 1: He just totally misses. You knew what I was trying to.

2746
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:04,199
Speaker 1: You have a heavy carm waighting Meal Collins. How you feeling?

2747
02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:08,160
Speaker 2: The entire nation was wondering where you were going with that?

2748
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:12,640
Speaker 1: I literally did one sentence. I didn't go anywhere. He's

2749
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:18,520
Speaker 1: a one and slow you down, wait down for the day.

2750
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean, if you could have seen my face as

2751
02:23:21,400 --> 02:23:23,440
Speaker 2: you do, those words came out to your lips.

2752
02:23:23,520 --> 02:23:28,440
Speaker 1: I as a man who battles carbs and carb intake

2753
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:31,520
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, knowing it is not the best

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Speaker 1: of me, not only for my circulatory system but also

2755
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Speaker 1: my energy level. That's all I was talking about. Yeah,

2756
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Speaker 1: I dare you.

2757
02:23:39,080 --> 02:23:40,520
Speaker 5: I knew where you were going.

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02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, glad you did. Ryan hates me.

2759
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:48,080
Speaker 2: No, No, I was shocked. I couldn't.

2760
02:23:48,680 --> 02:23:50,640
Speaker 3: I didn't believe You're not that type of No.

2761
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:54,640
Speaker 1: Well, no I'm not. I do work in sports talk radio,

2762
02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:56,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not that guy. Hey, I do have the

2763
02:23:56,320 --> 02:23:58,880
Speaker 1: answer to our trivia question. Know about the draft? You

2764
02:23:58,959 --> 02:24:02,039
Speaker 1: tell me should they have drafted any of these players

2765
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:04,920
Speaker 1: over Jordan Love from a wide receiver perspective? And I

2766
02:24:04,920 --> 02:24:07,080
Speaker 1: think there's one guy and it's the first name on

2767
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:12,440
Speaker 1: the list. T Higgins was drafted after Jordan Love. Okay,

2768
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:16,480
Speaker 1: so there's a guy. But what is he? Is he

2769
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:18,960
Speaker 1: a two? Is he a three? And an occasional number one?

2770
02:24:19,360 --> 02:24:22,199
Speaker 1: That's the decision to be made. But based on where

2771
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:25,000
Speaker 1: you were at that time, you had Devonte ad he's

2772
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:28,880
Speaker 1: a good player. But after that, Michael Pittman Jr. Oh

2773
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:38,920
Speaker 1: he's okay, Laviscus Channault Crickets, kJ Hamler Crickets, Chase Claypool.

2774
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh loved him so much. Come on, he's the epitome

2775
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:46,800
Speaker 1: of a jag. He's just a guy.

2776
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:51,560
Speaker 2: Oh you're did you watch him at Pittsburgh ad a

2777
02:24:51,720 --> 02:24:54,959
Speaker 2: field day with that that big body, wide receiver.

2778
02:24:54,600 --> 02:24:59,720
Speaker 1: Man again six, But I'm doing it today with what

2779
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:04,240
Speaker 1: he he's done in his career, Van Jefferson and Denzel Mims.

2780
02:25:04,760 --> 02:25:07,240
Speaker 1: Those are the guys selected before the Packers were about

2781
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:12,120
Speaker 1: Cole Comet. You can have him. What I'm a Bears guy.

2782
02:25:12,280 --> 02:25:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm a Bears guy. You can keep him. You know

2783
02:25:14,120 --> 02:25:15,720
Speaker 1: he had three games.

2784
02:25:16,600 --> 02:25:19,520
Speaker 2: You don't have a Bears quarterback. You can never blame

2785
02:25:19,560 --> 02:25:21,840
Speaker 2: a wide receiver until he has a quarterback.

2786
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:29,120
Speaker 1: Give him a headache. Cole Comet's just a guy. He

2787
02:25:29,160 --> 02:25:31,480
Speaker 1: had a three game stretch because the tight end is

2788
02:25:31,480 --> 02:25:33,880
Speaker 1: supposed to be the look. Number of drops I can

2789
02:25:33,879 --> 02:25:37,640
Speaker 1: go put together a super cut of drops off cole Comet. Wow,

2790
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:39,280
Speaker 1: and Chase Claypool for that matter.

2791
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:43,120
Speaker 3: Firstus Manzi, Now you're going at Commets.

2792
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm just calling it what it is. That's been a

2793
02:25:45,800 --> 02:25:49,160
Speaker 1: disappointment with Monzi. That was not going at Monty. That

2794
02:25:49,320 --> 02:25:53,280
Speaker 1: was you just being hateful because I must have been

2795
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:58,160
Speaker 1: against player empowerment or something somewhere. He's Ryan Hollins, I'm

2796
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:03,119
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Speaker 1: We got the play of the day quick run through

2802
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Speaker 1: of the Ja Morant situation. What's a fair and adequate

2803
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:27,880
Speaker 1: punishment slash rehabilitation assigned for him? And we'll look at

2804
02:26:27,879 --> 02:26:31,080
Speaker 1: game two of your NBA Finals. That's a lot to do. Fortunately,

2805
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Speaker 1: I speak really quickly. When the caffeine starts working here

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02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:40,440
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Now barbership into the slot right

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Speaker 1: to two, your final Gold Knights take. Game one went

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Speaker 1: down early on the shorthanded goal one nil. See how

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02:27:10,200 --> 02:27:14,040
Speaker 1: we got the soccer term in. Eventually the onslaught three

2813
02:27:14,280 --> 02:27:17,360
Speaker 1: in the third to finish it off. What a raucous atmosphere,

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02:27:33,320 --> 02:27:38,000
Speaker 1: Cup Final one game in the books. Likewise, NBA Finals

2820
02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:40,240
Speaker 1: will get Game two later on today. We'll get a

2821
02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:44,360
Speaker 1: quick preview and prediction from Ryan in a minute be

2822
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:47,080
Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't take a moment, though, Ryan, you

2823
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:50,200
Speaker 1: work with a lot of young players there is as

2824
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:53,600
Speaker 1: a member of the broadcast team for the Houston Rockets

2825
02:27:53,800 --> 02:27:56,960
Speaker 1: and certainly one of the game's best and brightest in

2826
02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:00,160
Speaker 1: the spotlight and not in the best of ways. We

2827
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:05,480
Speaker 1: talk about Ja Morant for the videos that is circulated

2828
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:10,360
Speaker 1: brandishing a weapon and the league doing an investigation. Adam

2829
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Silver commented ahead of these finals saying they've found more

2830
02:28:15,360 --> 02:28:19,160
Speaker 1: information more to help base a decision, but that they're

2831
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:23,840
Speaker 1: tabling it to the end of the NBA Finals, and

2832
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:27,440
Speaker 1: by tabling it, I think our level of anticipation and

2833
02:28:28,600 --> 02:28:33,200
Speaker 1: curiosity is peaked, and many calling for a full year

2834
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:38,360
Speaker 1: suspension slash, Hey go get yourself right kind of situation

2835
02:28:38,480 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 1: for John Morant as you're talking to people, Is that

2836
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:45,160
Speaker 1: where we see it? Leaning from Adam Silver in the

2837
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:46,119
Speaker 1: league office.

2838
02:28:46,760 --> 02:28:48,800
Speaker 2: I'm really not sure where it's going to go. But

2839
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,959
Speaker 2: I think what we all know is the complexity of

2840
02:28:51,959 --> 02:28:56,600
Speaker 2: the situation because you assume that job would have understood.

2841
02:28:56,720 --> 02:28:59,600
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, I don't want to be anywhere close

2842
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:04,800
Speaker 2: to my first incident, you know, and if there's anyone

2843
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:07,359
Speaker 2: who could even put me remotely in that type of danger.

2844
02:29:07,640 --> 02:29:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to be near him. And I think

2845
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:12,879
Speaker 2: we all gave Jaw the grace of Hey, I was

2846
02:29:12,879 --> 02:29:14,760
Speaker 2: twenty three or twenty four years old at one point

2847
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:18,000
Speaker 2: in time. I get it. But even at twenty three

2848
02:29:18,120 --> 02:29:21,800
Speaker 2: or twenty four, after a mistake like that, you don't

2849
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:22,440
Speaker 2: go back.

2850
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:22,960
Speaker 3: And do it again.

2851
02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:26,320
Speaker 2: So I think the league is really in an intriguing

2852
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:29,280
Speaker 2: place where they have to This is like, there's not

2853
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:33,840
Speaker 2: like a let's go back. I guess the closest incident

2854
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:35,199
Speaker 2: we can possibly.

2855
02:29:34,760 --> 02:29:36,600
Speaker 3: Look at, and you know.

2856
02:29:36,680 --> 02:29:40,160
Speaker 2: Definitely different situation different players. Is Gilbernas with the gun

2857
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:43,879
Speaker 2: situation he got hit over the head. Yeah, and that

2858
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:48,119
Speaker 2: was the closest thing. But this is intriguing. And then

2859
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,400
Speaker 2: you got to think of a legal aspect, you know

2860
02:29:50,680 --> 02:29:53,119
Speaker 2: of hey, did he break a law?

2861
02:29:53,800 --> 02:29:54,000
Speaker 3: Hey?

2862
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:56,400
Speaker 2: The integrity of the game, how is that you know

2863
02:29:56,440 --> 02:29:59,359
Speaker 2: put into play? Hey, he kind of agreed I wouldn't

2864
02:29:59,360 --> 02:30:01,400
Speaker 2: do this again, and he just stepped in and did

2865
02:30:01,440 --> 02:30:06,199
Speaker 2: it again. And hey, let's agree. Also we are not equal. Okay,

2866
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:08,959
Speaker 2: if Ryan Hollins did this, it be my last game

2867
02:30:09,000 --> 02:30:12,760
Speaker 2: in the NBA uniform. That's just the truth. He's John Morant.

2868
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:16,080
Speaker 2: This guy's you know, potentially a you know, one of

2869
02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:21,279
Speaker 2: the faces of the entire league, so you know he's

2870
02:30:21,320 --> 02:30:25,400
Speaker 2: gonna have a different grace than somebody else will have

2871
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:28,360
Speaker 2: and what that means. So I think the league has

2872
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:31,480
Speaker 2: a lot to factor in in this situation. And ultimately,

2873
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:34,120
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, there's two messages that

2874
02:30:34,160 --> 02:30:37,160
Speaker 2: you'd assume i'ven't spoken to anybody who's my assumption that

2875
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:40,440
Speaker 2: you want to sit home. One a penalty strong enough

2876
02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:42,720
Speaker 2: to show John Morant that he will never do this again,

2877
02:30:43,720 --> 02:30:46,360
Speaker 2: that he will truly be sorry, never even come close

2878
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:49,120
Speaker 2: to doing this again. And two a message to rest

2879
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:53,360
Speaker 2: of the entire league to say, hey, if any if

2880
02:30:53,400 --> 02:30:55,920
Speaker 2: any of you guys choose to do this and be

2881
02:30:55,959 --> 02:30:58,800
Speaker 2: a repeat offender, even come close to this, you're gonna

2882
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:00,920
Speaker 2: get hit over the head because you don't want this

2883
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:03,720
Speaker 2: to become a thing. And the fear is, unfortunately, you

2884
02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:06,040
Speaker 2: don't want to lose more players to this.

2885
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Well, the optics of the league, right, we always talk

2886
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:11,840
Speaker 1: about protecting the shield as related to the NFL and

2887
02:31:11,879 --> 02:31:15,520
Speaker 1: the way Roger Goodell has managed for good, for better

2888
02:31:15,560 --> 02:31:19,120
Speaker 1: or for worse. Right, there's certainly a lot in the

2889
02:31:19,160 --> 02:31:21,879
Speaker 1: policy Gray areas of trying to make it up on

2890
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:25,400
Speaker 1: the fly. Likewise with the NBA trying to figure this

2891
02:31:25,480 --> 02:31:29,280
Speaker 1: out when, as you point out, from a legal standpoint,

2892
02:31:29,400 --> 02:31:32,280
Speaker 1: is there anything or does that matter? Right? And that's

2893
02:31:32,320 --> 02:31:36,119
Speaker 1: it in the end, it's protecting your business. And while

2894
02:31:36,200 --> 02:31:38,800
Speaker 1: you can agree, hey, no laws were broken, there's still

2895
02:31:39,160 --> 02:31:42,960
Speaker 1: the idea of you have to protect that NBA shield

2896
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:46,720
Speaker 1: going forward, and certainly the league stands to gain if

2897
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:49,800
Speaker 1: he's around as one of the exciting young players. All Right,

2898
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:55,160
Speaker 1: much bigger conversation will be curious to hear if anything

2899
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:59,119
Speaker 1: starts to leak out about the penalties. But later on

2900
02:31:59,640 --> 02:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Game two of this series, in order for Miami to

2901
02:32:03,959 --> 02:32:07,800
Speaker 1: win the game, what has to happen? What's that perfect

2902
02:32:07,800 --> 02:32:11,760
Speaker 1: convergence of circumstance, Ryan Allins, to get them pass not

2903
02:32:11,800 --> 02:32:13,520
Speaker 1: only the Nuggets, but also the eight and a half

2904
02:32:13,560 --> 02:32:14,200
Speaker 1: point spread.

2905
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:17,680
Speaker 2: Listen, they have to score the basketball they got, attack

2906
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:21,400
Speaker 2: nikolea Jokic. You have to use your speed to your

2907
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:24,160
Speaker 2: advantage and make them a defender man. You gotta make them.

2908
02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:27,840
Speaker 1: Work, tire him out on that end, and hopefully create

2909
02:32:27,879 --> 02:32:30,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of chaos going the other way. Yeah,

2910
02:32:30,360 --> 02:32:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see all the shooters who couldn't hit

2911
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:34,920
Speaker 1: the broad side of a bar in Game one? Can

2912
02:32:34,959 --> 02:32:38,720
Speaker 1: they get past the outstretched arms and rain jumpers came

2913
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:41,720
Speaker 1: to um looking at you. Stres and Duncan Robinson. No

2914
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:45,600
Speaker 1: more brick laying, You're still an NBA player. He's Ryan Hollins,

2915
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:47,840
Speaker 1: I'm Mike Carbon, Thanks for hanging out. Steven Rich coming

2916
02:32:47,879 --> 02:32:48,920
Speaker 1: up next, The Fox