WEBVTT - Train Our Gun Wielding Chimps To Shoot Computers 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.240 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:10.280 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:17.680 Arm Strong and Jetty and no He Armstrong and Yetty. 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:32.720 Welcome, Welcome to the Tonight Show. And if you're tuning 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.760 in and see what I'll say about my suspension the 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.800 last couple of days, again, you're watching the wrong Jimmy. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.560 Dad, other Jimmy Dad. 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:46.600 So we can play a little later some more what 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.839 Jimmy Kimmel said last night. I'm so annoyed with the 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.640 whole thing and tired of it. But he did talk 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.320 about being a follower of Jesus Christ, which is getting 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.920 no play anywhere. You haven't heard that anywhere but here. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:58.960 We'll play that again later. 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.400 Yeah, we hammered it pretty hard hour one of the show, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.880 but we will return to that question the themes Jimmy 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:10.840 the worthless jackass fool and the much more serious First. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.480 Amendment questions before, So stay tuned. 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:18.520 So I'm now using three different AI apps on my phone, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.760 and I try to ask all three the same question 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.760 all the time, just to see how they're different. I 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:29.240 got chat GPT, I've got Claude, and I've got Grock, 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.200 some of you like some of the other ones. There's 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.680 a bunch of them out there. They're all quite similar. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.120 I haven't seen any clear. I actually think chat GPT 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.480 is better than on the whole than the others. But 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.920 that's just I'm a magic eight ball guys, Now, that's 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.880 just my U. You all signs point to yes, yes, exactly. 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.360 One interesting thing is I often run into copyright problems 0:01:55.440 --> 0:02:03.560 on Grock, on Grock and Gemini, but chat GPT doesn't care, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.960 which I think is correct, because it's stupid and anachronistic, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.360 Like I wanted to see a painting and they couldn't 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.920 do it on two of them, Like that violate copyright issues, 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.840 and chat GPT's like, here it is, you can find. 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.400 It anywhere on the internet. Why wouldn't I show it 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:18.640 to you? 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.519 Mmmm, it's just going to live in the real world, 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.760 live and live in Now. I can complate copyright laws, 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.959 take this show and sell it any way you want, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.280 says Jack Armstrong, fan of Anarchy. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.920 Google any painting you want and you can hit the 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.760 image thing and you'll see eight thousand different versions of it. 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:39.519 But you got a couple of the chat things saying 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.760 I can't show that to you. Copyright laws. Okay, this 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.000 isn't nineteen twenty, go ahead and show it to me. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.880 They got to figure that out, though, I mean, it's 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.440 just doesn't work in reality. Well right, yeah, the law 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.680 song lyrics so unformed about all of this song lyrics. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.600 I've had that problem. What's the lyric for whatever song? 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.200 And a couple of them say, I'm sorry, I can't 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.440 tell you that. What it's every Okay, I'll go back 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:01.919 to Google. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.680 I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, silly. But nothing is. 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.200 Raised up as clearly a winner though, although I don't 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.000 Google almost ever anymore, Like I don't remember the last 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:14.799 time I used Google. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.359 Yeah, yeah, So is that all you want to say 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:18.880 about AI? 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.920 Okay? A couple of AI sort stories here. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.240 I thought this was interesting, Breitbart talking about how one 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.800 of your new hipster words these days is workslop. They're 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:35.360 figuring out, according to the Harvard Business Review, workers are 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.240 trying to embrace AI in the office, but they're not 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.080 seeing as much real value as they thought because of 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:46.000 what they call workslop. AI generated documents that look sharp, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.440 but they're filled with low quality information. And they talk 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.840 about the media Lab and the Big study Bubba. One 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.040 possible reason for this puzzling lack of return on investment 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.000 is that AI tools are being used to produce what 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.280 some experts are calling workslop, content that appears paul on 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.800 the surface but lacks any real substance, substance, insight, or 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:09.920 value underneath. Generator of generative AI can quickly churn out documents, presentations, emails, 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.880 and other content that seems professional and well written at first, 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.120 but on closer inspection, much of it is generic, shallow, obvious, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.880 lacking in original ideas or meaningful contributions. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.640 And you know what's interesting about that, I take in 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.960 a ton of info about AI podcasts and listen to 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.039 all the smartest thinkers out there. One of the biggest 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.440 concerns about out there regarding AI is at what point 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.400 it turns back in on itself. And this sort of 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.720 thing could do it where it's bringing in all its 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.320 language learning from all these different sites, but so much 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.160 of it is crap generated a by AI, and then 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.640 it's taking in that and it starts turning in on itself, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.360 and it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:52.200 That problem could happen quite quickly and nobody's exactly sure 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.840 how to stop it from happening, right, So it gets 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.440 less and less substance, insight or value underneath and gets 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.520 more and more eric, shallow, obvious. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.800 And lacking in original ideas or rankful country. There might 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.960 not be a fix for that. And the other thing 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:08.720 that bothers me that they talk about a little bit 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:13.400 is the risk that the technology could, as they put 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:18.720 a d skill and demotivate knowledge workers over time. And 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.480 there have been a number of studies and really persuasive, 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.360 powerful things written about this. But the more you depend 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.719 on AI tools for say, you know, learning in school 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.800 or or or researching problem at work, the less you 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:34.800 use the parts of your brain that would have gone 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.840 through the exercise of figuring out. And you might say, well, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.400 you don't need those parts of your brain because you 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:44.240 have AI, But as anybody who's used AI has learned, yes, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.760 sometimes it's good, but the rest of the time, you 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:47.320 sure as. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:48.719 Hell need that part of your brain. 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.120 Things are popping into my head from this podcast I 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.760 listened to the other day. So one of the biggest 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.440 questions at the beginning of AI, or one of the 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.200 biggest concerned, was the alignment problem maybe you've heard that term. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:01.440 It was very popular. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.840 God AI has moved so fast, it's very popular, like 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:05.720 a year ago. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.080 I mean, I hasn't been around that long. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.400 But the alignment problems, clearly, the main thing is we 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.720 need to make sure we've got the alignment problem nailed done, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.120 and that was that AI does what you intended it 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.200 to do and it doesn't go off and do other 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:24.279 stuff That didn't work so spectacularly that nobody even talks 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.560 about it anymore as a goal because it seems to 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.720 be completely undoable. I mean, it just fell apart immediately, 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:34.200 the alignment problem. So while it was discussed as issue 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.239 one for like a cup of coffee, it is now 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.640 nobody thinks about it because you can't do it. You 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.160 you craft an AI program to do something and you 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.400 get it goes off all kinds different directions and there's 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.200 and there's no way to stop it. Well, isn't that 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:53.240 kind of interesting that we abandoned that crucial like guardrail immediately? 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.840 Yeah? Yeah, where this ends. Nobody knows. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:05.440 Part of it is I because AI has no conscience 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.400 or morality or anything like that. If you give AI 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.040 the task of I need a cup of coffee. On 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.760 my desk by you in twenty minutes. It might take 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.400 that of Okay, that's my task and I'm going to 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.240 get that no matter what. If I have to run 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.960 over a dog that's in my way on the way 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.000 to the coffee shop, fine, or a child or whatever, 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.000 and you didn't say anything about pay for the coffee. 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.320 I just have to get it. I have to bring 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:34.920 it back and you. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.560 That's a simplified example, but that's where you run into 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.800 the alignment problem. You'd have to be so incredibly specific 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.480 for it to not just finish whatever task you give it, 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.520 ignoring everything else. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:50.560 Yeah. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.760 I remember one of our brilliant listeners showed us examples 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.440 of how they tame that problem. But that problem was 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:03.320 a like dozen lives set of instructions to keep it 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.240 on track, which is really not that helpful. So how 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.240 about this to a point you made just a few 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.280 seconds ago. Great reporting from our friends at the Free 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:18.120 Beacon Al Jazeera, which is the virulently anti anti Israel 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:24.320 news outlet. It's controlled by cutter Muslim brotherhood, just crazy 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:28.560 anti jew Okay, it's one of the top two sources 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.600 being used by leading AI chatbots chat GPT, Google's Gemini 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.160 Perplexity AI one of the top two sources to answer 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:41.240 questions and write news summaries about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.960 According to Washington Free Beacons analysis, that's nuts, all of 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.200 those chatbots list al Jazeera is one of the most 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.960 reliable sources on the topic. In response to queries from 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.800 the Free Beacon, the chatbots praised Al Jazera for its 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:59.040 reliability on the ground, detail, academic credibility, and global visibility. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.400 So indeed, chat gpt, the world's leading AI chatbots, said 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.240 in the past month that citeed Al Jazeera more frequently 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.320 on the topic than almost any other news source, including 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.000 The New York Times in the ap which. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.120 Are both wildly left. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.040 Gemini says it does specific oh says it specifically does 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.600 not use pro israel news sources because they engage in 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.040 a Hebrew word for public relations and advocacy rather than journalism. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.640 And those again, and those other sources don't. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.760 Right, yeah, Google's Gemini won't use Israeli sources because they 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.959 spend stuff unlike Al Jazeera Holy. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.560 Crap, or NPR of the New York Times for that matter. 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:49.520 Well right, yeah, wow, that's our tech overlords. Guiding us 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:50.880 toward our digital future. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:58.439 Mannis, I feel like I've gotten less optimistic about anything 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.400 AI the more I learned about it and the longer 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.920 it's around. 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:09.000 About it being a good thing. Yeah, yeah, and it 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:09.440 could be. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.160 We all figure that out. And it's a tool used 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:13.920 for very limited application. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.000 Here's another thing. 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.960 So there are two things that got abandoned very very 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.200 quickly about AI. This AI historian who's been looking at 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.720 it for the entire five years it's existed, won the 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.400 alignment problem, which issue number one. Alignment, Then I guess 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.360 you can't do that, never mind. And then the other 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.200 one was the idea that we're going to keep we 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.800 build an AI model and it will be you know, separate. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.120 It won't be connected to anything else, so it can't 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.559 get out of hand, it can't get out of control, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.560 it can't affect other things. And then everybody, as you know, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.880 I've got AI my phone, you got to It's out everywhere, 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.800 connected to everything all the time. So that was one 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.480 of the original tenants also of making sure we can 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.920 control AI was keeping it like separate, not connected to 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.320 any other network. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.920 That got abandoned immediately. Yeah. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.920 Yeah, now I'll be in the woods or fishing. If 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.520 you need me for AI fish, Uh No, I'm just 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.520 further That is my clever conclusion. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:17.679 First set up. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:22.200 Second, you know, execution of this thought. Jack, hang with me. 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:28.320 I will be fishing if you need me. Is it possible? 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.200 And the answer is yes, clearly fing Yes. Is it 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.160 possible humankind could come up with something it can't handle? 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:37.760 We can't handle. A lot of people thought it was 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:38.680 nuclear weapons. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.760 Well, if if it becomes smarter than us. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.240 It's a very simple. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.200 Proposition put out by a couple of the AI geniuses 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.760 I've listened to the other day. The smartest beast has 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:58.040 dominated throughout the history of everything. It just always works 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.720 that way. And now we're developing something harder than us. 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.560 How do you think it's not going to end up 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.160 being the dominant beast. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.200 Putting life in the hands of AI is like giving 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:09.560 machine guns to chimps. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.160 Jack as before, but there's no there's no evidence of 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.560 it ever being any other way. The smartest thing out 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.680 there runs, society runs the world. We have been that 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.960 for a very long time. Now we're creating something smarter 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.680 than us. Why would you think it's not going to 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.319 dominate us and run the world to its. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.040 Benefit as a post hors My. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:35.040 Only quibbal is that sometimes the strongest physically beast can 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.199 defeat the brain yash. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.080 So we'll smash it like a hammer. For precisely smash 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:40.760 it with a hammer. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.600 Our train are gun wielding chimps that I just described 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.079 to shoot computers. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:48.160 I don't know. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.520 Okay, we got some Kamala on her book to her 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.679 disastrous book hilarious, and a bunch. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:55.800 Of other stuff on the way. Stay tuned. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:04.480 He called me and I and again, listen this book. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.560 I am being candid in this book, are you? And 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.600 in a way that I hope is helpful for people 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:15.480 to understand what that all was. And part of that 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.520 call that he made to me the afternoon before the 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:23.320 debate was to wish me luck, but also to talk 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.640 about something that was more in his interest than it 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.360 was in mind, especially in the context of that time. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:39.000 She is the hardest person to follow of anyone. She 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.480 would have made a horrible president. I mean absolutely horrible. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.720 I don't just mean in the normal I don't want 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.280 the Democrat to win. I'd rather have Gavin Nusa. You 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.680 can name tons of people I don't like that would 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:52.520 be better. To be president. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.080 Her brain don't work. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.880 No, no, I found myself being lulled into this weird 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.840 hypnosis by her drone nonsense. 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.400 She can't spit anything out, she can't make a decision, 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.920 she's too cowardly to say anything anyway. So she's having 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:12.240 what Mark Cawpern is calling one of the most disastrous 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.000 first forty eight hours of a book to her anybody's 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.440 ever had. And here's a little of his analysis with 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.320 a couple of the people on his show from yesterday, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:22.720 Kamala Harris. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:28.280 She's done two interviews Rachel Maddow last night and Jamay 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:35.480 and most distinctive to me, again, as someone who's as 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.160 expert in selling books, is anything I'm expert at, She's 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.080 not doing a particularly good job of selling the book, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.320 in part because she's pulling her punches when the questioners 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.160 have asked her about the newsiest parts of the book. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.960 She's not backing up what she said in the book. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.480 She seems reluctant to repeat some of the accusations she's made, so, 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.840 for instance, Rachel Maddow, Rachel Maddow said, I'm very disappointed 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.600 that you suggested that country wasn't ready to elect a 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:03.360 black woman. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.800 In a gay man and picking pet footage. 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:06.920 Agency said, Oh no, no, that's not really what I 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.080 what I mean, what I mean is, uh, you know, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.280 I think it would have been tough. I mean, she 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.560 just she didn't follow it through. And then here's two 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.680 examples from a Good Morning America. First, she was asked 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.200 about the phone call that she writes in the book 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.680 that Joe Biden called her right before a debate with 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.240 Donald Trump, and rather than just wishing her well, started 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.080 to complain to her about his own grievances. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.880 Right, And that's the clip we just heard. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.960 And so Mark Halpern made the point and then I 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.200 saw him on Megan Kelly's shows. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.680 And I thought it was said. He said, instead of 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:40.560 selling her books. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:45.440 So she usually, you you you write something strong in 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.720 your book and then you get asked about it because 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.440 you made some strong statements and you you know, you 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.880 add more to it. You're trying to create excitement and 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.640 and and and get people to want to go out 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:57.800 and buy the book. That's a point of it. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:59.840 She backs off of all of them. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.520 And he said, instead of a selling her book, it 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.160 seems like she's being confronted with her journal that leaked out, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:09.520 and she's trying to explain away the passages that have 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:10.240 leaked out. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.600 Yeah, what she's doing. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.560 My only disagreement with Mark is not only did she 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.960 not write the book mark she hasn't even read it. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.760 Oh you don't think so? No. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.520 No, she sat down for a bunch of interviews, even 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.840 with some professional writer, which is perfectly fine. I mean 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.680 that's what politicians do, and they crafted a book. But 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.960 she was probably surprised at some of the way things 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.240 were characterized. And she is gutless and has no principles. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.120 So yeah, back it off of everything. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.040 Here she is on Good Morning America, asked about was 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.600 Joe Biden capable of serving. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:48.360 Four more years? Eighty three? Please? ATHLETs sit here today. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.480 Do you think he would have been up for running 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.000 the country for four more years? 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.040 I here's the distinction that I make. It's and having 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.800 had the experience myself, it is one thing to have 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:04.240 the capacity to govern, it is another thing to go 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.880 through an electric There. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:07.760 You go, right off the bat. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.399 She couldn't just even come close to answering the question. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.280 Somebody slapped me in which. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.199 She is unbelievable, and I can't believe she thinks she 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:17.840 might actually run for president again. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:19.960 Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.639 Dan in a business we call that a word salad. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.959 So she doesn't actually tell the story. She just kind 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.320 of refers to the story not a way to sell books. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.000 And here she is when asked about the question that 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.080 she confronts to some extent in the book, which is 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:37.440 a regret that she failed to raise the issue of 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.199 the president's mental decline. Now what she says in this 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.800 interview is it's harder to run for president than to 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.800 be president, which I can tell you makes no sense. 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.520 It's harder to run for president than to be president. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:59.920 Who would say that out loud on her book? 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.560 Or she just keeps as the Even the Democrat on 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.240 Mark Alpern's show said, this is just a disaster. It 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.080 seems like she looks like she regrets her book to 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.320 her two days and from having to answer these questions. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.159 We're gonna play another clip. But here's something interesting that 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:21.360 came out of that. So Sean Spicer is on Mark 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:26.360 Alprin show. Sean Spicer was Trump's first White House press spokesman. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.320 Spicy Spicer loved him. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:32.280 And he wrote a book after his time, and he 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:37.359 mentioned yesterday I thought this was pretty interesting. He said, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.880 he writes his book, he gives it to his agent, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.400 and his agent said, okay, did that feel pretty good 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.600 getting that off all that off your chest? 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.120 And he said, yeah, it felt really good. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.520 And he said, Okay, now that you've gotten it off 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.120 your chest, do you actually want ten years ago, ten 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.800 years from now for that stuff to be in a book? 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.160 And he said, not all of it, and he went 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:01.120 back and took some of the stuff out. I thought 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.320 that was really interesting. So you make some score settling 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.840 comments and then you think, yeah, I don't really want 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.879 that in a book. And they were relaying that to 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.080 maybe Kamla. This was her version of like really letting 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:13.919 it all out, and then when she sits down to 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.639 be interviewed, she can't doesn't have the guts to stand 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:18.760 by what she wrote, right. 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:25.360 I mean, it fails on everything level. It does. It's amazing. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:27.919 So we started to play this but ran out of time. 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.480 We thought we'd give you the whole thing. She was 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.520 on Good Morning America yesterday with the football player Michael 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:37.520 Strand and he asks the question about Biden running for 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.600 four serving for four more years and listen to her 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.879 answer as we sit here today, do you think he 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.320 would have been up for running the country for four 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:46.080 more years? 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.119 I here's the distinction, always the answer, it's and having 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.920 had the experience myself. It is one thing to have 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:58.280 the capacity to govern. It is another thing to go 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.760 through an election for president of the United States. So 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.120 you are an athlete, you may appreciate this kind of metaphor. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.040 Running for president of the United States is like being 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.320 an a marathon at a sprinter's pace, with people throwing 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.720 tomatoes at you every step you take. It is not 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.520 for the light hearted. It takes an incredible amount of 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:24.440 endurance and stamina. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:24.840 You know. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:26.680 That was one of the more coherent things I've ever 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:27.359 heard her say. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.280 Yeah, but that doesn't fit with the wit her first sentence, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.800 Oh no, so, and she's making the argument is Helper 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.720 pointed out that running for president is harder than being president. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:39.080 But you don't think anybody's. 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:40.719 Throwing at tomatoes at you when you're president, and some 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.520 of those tomatoes might be bombs if you make the 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:43.200 wrong decision. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.080 I mean, what a moronic thing to say. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.080 And the question, by the way, if you've forgotten, was 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:50.520 do you think Biden could have served four more years? 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:55.119 I had forgotten that was the question, right. So a 0:20:55.119 --> 0:21:01.720 couple more points in her unreadable and unread book, she 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:02.560 says that. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.120 She number two on Amazon right now, number two book 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:05.640 on Amazon. 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.159 Yeah, that's easy to manipulate anyway, But she and her 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.480 people are buying up thousands and thousands of copies themselves. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:19.760 But so she writes about transgender boys and girl sports, 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:22.760 and here's what she says. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:25.440 I agree with. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.160