1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Seahawks Insiders. Russell It takes the snap, 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: steps off of the pocket, looks half time. Now he's 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: gonna throw Tyler Locker looks for the ball. He's got 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: a touchdown. Strayhawks getting you ready for Seahawks football every Sunday. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: The handoff Insider Carson starts up the middle, now pounces 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: it across the loardven touchdown Seahawks powered by Seahawks dot Com. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Right now, we are getting you ready for the next 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: phase of the off season, as the Seahawks have just 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: wrapped up OTAs we are now looking ahead to training 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: camp and then of course the regular season. Welcome to 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: the Seahawks Insider Podcast. I'm Jen Mueller, sideline reporter for 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: the team, joined as always by John Boyle from Seahawks 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello John, Hi, Jen, Good just see you again. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: This week saw you briefly at a Mariners game doing 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: your other job, but always with the Seahawks in my heart. John, Exactly, 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: we get it. You've got you know, you've got multiple teams. 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: It's okay, yes, Well, it's the only way that I 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: can stay out of trouble and not spend money that 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: I don't have. I mean, that's really kind of what 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: this boils down to. And we now have a better 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: idea of what we can expect when we see the 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Seahawks team on the field this fall. But how about 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 1: before we even get to the football stuff, the news 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: that the twelves are going to be back, and not 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: just partial capacity, but in full force. Bloomin Field will 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: be full again. That's gonna be awesome. You were there, 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: we are all there last year and saw how awkward 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: it is playing in front of no fans. It's just 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: it's not right. It was strange, and you know, the 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: players did a good job creating their own juice, as 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll put it, but it was not the same 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: as having all those fans there. Awesome news is going 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: to be really exciting. I cannot wait for that home 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: opener against Tennessee. That place is going to be going bonkers. Yeah, 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some pent up energy for sure. 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: The noise can't headphones will return to the sidelines. Last year, 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: I didn't need them. I mean, you could hear things 38 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: happening on the opposite side of the field without any problem. 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: So I guess I will miss the little insights of 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: the jabs back and forth that happened on the field. 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: But I will gladly take the twelves any day over 42 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: what it felt like last week. Now the twelves are 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: going to have a lot to cheer for, but they're 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what this offense is going to 45 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: look like. John, We've got some takeaways from the OTA's 46 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: offense is one of them. But give me a couple 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: of the other takeaways that you think fans should be 48 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: aware of as we start moving into the training camp portion. Yes, 49 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, other than yeah, we'll get into all the 50 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: new offense stuff with Shane Waldron, but other than that, 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the two things to me were on the other side 52 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: of the ball. It was seeing Darryl Taylor not just 53 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: healthy and out there, but doing strong side linebacker, which 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, he's still gonna have to compete for it. 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: I'm sure Cody Barton will be in the mix with 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: That's a really interesting option there of not going with, 57 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, necessarily a true normal linebacker, but going with 58 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: that hybrid defensive end kind of the Bruce Servant model 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: that they had so much success with. So you know, 60 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: again he's a second year guy, didn't play as a rookie. 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to compete to earn that spot, but 62 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: very intriguing option there. And then the other thing is 63 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: just seeing Marquis Blair healthy and out there running around. 64 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he missed so much last year. He people 65 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: might have kind of forgotten about him by the end 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: of the year, but you go back to training camp 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: and it was, you know, the guys that everyone was 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: buzzing about. I mean, obviously have Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner, 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: but the guys everyone was buzzing about in camp Besides 70 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the two most obvious ones were Jamal Adams who was 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: new and making all the plays, DK Metcalf who obviously 72 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: lived up to that hype, and Marquis Blair. I mean, 73 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: he was a playmaker. He was all over the place 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and training camp in that MOP game, So getting him 75 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: healthy and back in that secondary could be really huge 76 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: for this defense. Well, and without Jamal Adams at OTAs 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: he had excused absence from the team as he was 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: attending to a family matter, Markis did steal the headlines 79 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: in the secondary. What does his return mean for any 80 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: of those alignments that we could see in any of 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: those defensive packages because you know, we talk about not 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: having established starters at cornerback, but you still have a 83 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: lot of dbs back there that can mix and match 84 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: in different ways. Yeah, I'll be really curious to see 85 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: what they do. I mean, if we're just talking you know, 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: traditional base and nickel defense, then he's your most likely 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: candidate for the nickel job, although Ugo Mighty played well 88 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: there and as you know, he's going to be competing 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: like crazy for it. So I don't know if maybe 90 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: there's ways they try to get both those guys on 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: the field this year to utilize their skill sets, it'll 92 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: be you know, it'll be interesting to see what they 93 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: do with that secondary because they've got you know, they 94 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: obviously have the two Pro Bowl guys at safety, and 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: then you've got two really strong options at nickel and 96 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: then you know, they liked the competition at cornerback, but 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: there's no set starters there yet. Yeah, and Pete Carroll 98 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: says that competition at corner that is going to go 99 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: all the way through training camp. It might be you know, 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: I would say week one, but the reality is you're 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: probably gonna know that by the third week of the preseason. 102 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: Because those guys aren't going to need to have worked 103 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: together and get that chemistry in that timing worked out. 104 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: That is absolutely one of the storylines that we're gonna 105 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: be looking at going into the camp. He said that 106 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: Trey Flowers has come and he knows what that competition 107 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: looks like. He is ready to go. I'm also curious John, 108 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: your impressions of Trey Brown, the rookie that the Seahawks drafted, 109 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: because it was interesting to see him and dj Read 110 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: on the field together. That is not the type of 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: dB Pete Carroll has gone after in his time here, 112 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: not at all. And I think you know, Pete Carroll's 113 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of admitted that DJ Read helped change their mind 114 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of Look, this guy was by no 115 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: means what they look for physically in an outside corner, 116 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: but he played so well that he compensated for that. 117 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, if you know, We'll see if they'd 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: be willing to put both of those guys on the 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: field together. If that's too many short guys for them, 120 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: I say short, they're taller than me, but football short, 121 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: how about that? But I'm sorry, Trey Brown, you know, look, 122 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: it's it's way too early to know what he is 123 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: as a player out there. I mean, DB's aren't even 124 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: really allowed to make plays on the ball at this 125 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: point because they want to keep guys safe. But I 126 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: love the attitude, just the chip on the shoulder that 127 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: guy has, that he's got that competitive spirit they love 128 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that is so perfect for a defensive back. So we'll 129 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: have to see how it all plays out, but it's 130 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be a fascinating competition, as you alluded to. 131 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: That's one they'll probably take their time on figuring out well. 132 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: And if we don't see Trey Brown on the field 133 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: as part of the defense, there is a fair chance 134 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: that we are going to see him, certainly on special teams. 135 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: He could be in line to be a returner at 136 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of guys 137 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: who are going to be in the mix for those 138 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: jobs and he's one of them. Both their top draft picks, 139 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: him and Eskridge both had some big returns in college 140 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: and could be factors there. I mean, DJ Reid was 141 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: awesome and limited return opportunities If they want him out there, 142 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: if they you know, if he's starting at corner, maybe 143 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: you take him off of that. But yet those those 144 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: return jobs will be fun to see in the preseason 145 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: well before we flip it over the offense and talk 146 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: about Dwayne Eskridge and what that looks like from that 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: side of the ball. Darryl Taylor, it was a surprise 148 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: to see him working at that linebacker position, but I 149 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: think I was equally surprised by what he looked like 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: in general. His body has changed over the last year 151 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: and he does look more like a Bruce Urvan body 152 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: type than what we saw from him as a rookie. Yeah, 153 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: he came in quite a bit leaner, I believe he 154 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: said when we talked to him earlier. He does want 155 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: to put some of that weight back on between now 156 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: and the start of the season. But he'll definitely play 157 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: a little lighter than maybe he did in college. And 158 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: he was prepared to play out last year had the 159 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: injury not occurred. And yeah, I mean, look, there's a 160 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: big different train looking the part in May and June 161 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: and being ready for it come you know, September. But 162 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: it's a very intriguing option. You know, they were very 163 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: high on him obviously to draft him, trade up to 164 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: draft him in the second round last year. So if 165 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: he can win that job. He'll be really intriguing player 166 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: the way he could do that dual role of you know, 167 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: base base linebacker and getting after the passer and passing downs. Yeah, 168 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: and he needed to drop just a little bit of 169 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: that weight because he came in originally as a d 170 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: N somebody that was just going to rush the passer. 171 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Now with that linebacker role, he needed to lean up 172 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: just a little bit. But I know that that leads 173 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: to the question of what about kJ. Yeah, I mean 174 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: they keep saying the doors open, and I think, you know, 175 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: to some extent it will be all the way up 176 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: until the season if he's unsigned, and you know, any 177 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: injuries could change things in a hurry. But look, if 178 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: a team is this far into the offseason and making 179 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: making plans for the next year, it you know, it 180 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: looks like they might be ready to move on with 181 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: the young guys they have. But again, you know they're 182 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: not going to shut that door. Kj's a you know, 183 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: an all time great Seahawk, a Ring of honor type guy, 184 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and if things happen to work out, it'd be awesome 185 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: to see him back. I mean, selfishly, we all love 186 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: having him that locker room. He's a great guy to 187 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: talk to. But yeah, it's one of those situations where 188 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, you just hope he finds 189 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: success somewhere because he's such a good dude and still 190 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: a great player. I mean, you look at what he 191 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: was fantastic well, and it's been ten years of Bobby 192 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: and kJ side by side running this defense, and Bobby 193 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Wagner said, look, I would hope that there's a chance 194 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: that he can come back. It's hard to imagine one 195 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: without the other. But what does that linebacking unit look 196 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: like now? I mean, I guess, look, you've got some 197 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: fresh legs. If you're gonna have Darryl Taylor back there, 198 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: and if Jordan Brooks is going to get all the 199 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: playing time. That's also intriguing because we got a taste 200 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: of what he could do last year, but now there 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: would be no question as to what his role is 202 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: in that unit. Yeah, and that, I mean, that would 203 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: be a big part of if you do, indeed decide 204 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: to not bring kJ right back. It's part of that 205 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: as you want to get that first round pick Jordan 206 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: Brooks on the field and see him every down because 207 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: you know he when when he's only playing in bass 208 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: defense a lot of games that limited to thirty percent 209 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: of the snaps, and you know, he looks so good 210 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: by the end of the last year and brings just 211 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: such a big element of speed and playmaking. I'm sure 212 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: they're really eager to have him be that every down 213 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: player next to Bobby Wagner. Well and Jordan said when 214 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: we talked to him during OTA's you know, he said, 215 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: first of all, he's been talking to kJ a lot, 216 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: and he does not look at it as trying to 217 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: replace kJ, because nobody's going to replace kJ, right He's 218 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: just trying to step in and be the best linebacker 219 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: that he can be. And it helps that he can 220 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: get on the field right now in OTAs. Yeah, he 221 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: got none of this exactly, Like there's a whole group 222 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: of guys that have no idea what OTAs are like 223 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: because they couldn't get on the field or in the 224 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: building last year. Yeah. I mean, any rookies around the 225 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: league that contributed significantly last year, it's an impressive feat 226 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: because they were way behind where any rookie would be. 227 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: You got, you know, none of the OTA's, no rookie 228 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: mini camp. It was just boom, You're on the field 229 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: for training camp and you have a month and that's it. 230 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: So no preseason games either, which are big for those rookies, 231 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: especially when you're talking talking about a defensive player. You 232 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: need those games to tackle, to get used to the physicality. 233 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: So you know, his rookie years started a little slow. 234 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: There are some bumps in the road, some injuries, but 235 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: once he got going, he looked like a special player. 236 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: And again with a full off season and a full 237 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: training camp preseason, I think we're going to see a 238 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: really good version of Jordan Brooks this year. Well, and 239 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: what do you make of Pete Carroll saying that the 240 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: incoming rookie class is getting more attention than any rookie 241 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: class ever has, partly because of the disparity between what 242 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: happened last year and what's happening this year. But what 243 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: does that mean for our rookie rookies this year? And 244 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: I guess you could even lump guys like Jordan Brooks 245 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: and Daryl Taylor into what that's going to lead to 246 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: in training camp. Yeah, I mean, as most people are 247 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: aware of, the veterans for the most part, stayed away 248 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: from the early part of the off season program, which 249 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: is voluntary, and as Bobby Wagner said, they kind of 250 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: wanted to reclaim the word voluntary there that has slowly 251 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: been redefined over the years. So what that meant while 252 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: the veterans weren't there until that final week of ots 253 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: right before Mini camp, it meant all these rookies and 254 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, the inexperienced young guys, they're about thirty five 255 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: of them on hand. Darryl Taylor was one of them. 256 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: They got all that extra work, all those extra reps, 257 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: the extra focus from the coaches, and there is Pete 258 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Carroll said, they are more prepared than any rookie class 259 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: he's had. That doesn't mean they're going to be better 260 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: in terms of just skill and talent and all that, 261 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: but just their preparation heading into training camp, they're really 262 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: going to be ready to go. And that's going to help. 263 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, there's obviously only the three picks, but also 264 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: some of these undrafted guys who look with three draft picks, 265 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: there's gonna be room for some undrafted guys to make 266 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: this team and contribute. So it's going to be a 267 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: big advantage to those guys going into camp well, and 268 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: it's peace of mind for Pete Carroll too, because he 269 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: could be nervous to send these guys out for five 270 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: or six weeks before bringing them back to training camp. 271 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: And the focus that they've showed and the progress that 272 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: they have made in the offseason work, he said, is 273 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: greater than what he anticipated. And he's got no qualms 274 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: that these guys were going to stay in it and 275 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: come back in great shape and ready to pick up 276 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: where they left off. And I think the only player 277 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: that might be disappointed that everything is not entirely virtual 278 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: this year is Michael Dixon, which I know we don't 279 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: talk about the punter often, but he did get a 280 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: new contract. He got paid, Yep, he got paid. He 281 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: celebrated with pizza. I thought his comments about his off 282 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: season work last year was really interesting. Yeah, he said 283 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: he likes it because he can just be home on 284 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: his own field where, you know, find a field, get 285 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: a bag of balls, and go kick. Because to his point, he's, 286 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's different, but he's a guy that likes 287 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: to kick a lot. He get you know, wants a 288 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: lot of reps and just out there bang, banging away 289 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: at the ball. And outside of the structure of the 290 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: offseason workouts where he's got to do a lot of 291 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: other stuff. He could just go out there and kick away, 292 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: and he said it helped him. And obviously he had 293 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: a fantastic twenty twenty season, So I'm sure he'll be 294 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: okay with, you know, having to do things a traditional way. 295 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, if anybody benefited from that, it might have 296 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: been him. Yeah, he said he punted for three hours straight. 297 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder if he gets older, he's 298 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: going to look back and be like, how did I 299 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: do that? He's going to be that like crafty older 300 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: punter in his late thirties or even forties, being like, 301 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: how did I ever punt for three hours straight? Okay, 302 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: So that's where your question is. Here's my question. How 303 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: do you balance out your workout so that one leg 304 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: is not remarkably larger than you? I don't know that 305 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: you can. You just I think if you're a kicker 306 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: or a punter in the NFL, you're a little lopsided. Really, 307 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: I've never once asked them. Do you think that they 308 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: would be offended if I said, hey, Michael, do you 309 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: for your legs are lopsided? I think I think you 310 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: need to do that just for the awkward pause. I 311 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: totally will Yeah. Do you remember Stephen Haushka used to 312 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: warm up with a soccer ball and he would kick 313 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: both footed. He said to keep that balance, And I 314 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: don't think that was as much about strength. I think 315 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: he was worried about like flexibility and becoming like so 316 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: he can't run right because he's so awkward. So there 317 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: is something that the guys that I think they want 318 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: to keep a little balanced so they're not too one sided. 319 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: All right, that is gonna be my goal. I'm going 320 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of that this year, and 321 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: every former punter and kicker I come across, I'm asking 322 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: the question, how do you not get lopsided? And at 323 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: what point is that we're off the rails? No, we're not, No, 324 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: we're not. We are twelve minutes in and finally we're 325 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: going to talk about the offense, because if we started 326 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: with the offense, we were never going to transition to 327 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: any other phase of the game because all of the 328 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: questions have been around what does the offense look like 329 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: under Shane Waldron And we have a few ideas, but John, 330 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: I do think they wanted to make it very challenging 331 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: for us to perhaps pick up on some of those 332 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: coincidence that every offseason workout open to media had the 333 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: offense on the farthest field from where I mean, surely 334 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: a little beautiful, but there you got the Eagles flying around. Yeah, 335 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: i mean, look, there is no reason to give away 336 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: more than you have to this offense. It's a big 337 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: advantage a team with a new coordinator has gone in 338 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: the year. Is that week one opponent is preparing for you, 339 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: not knowing what they're gonna get, and Indianapolis has a 340 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: very talented defense. You don't want to give anything away 341 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to. So that is going to be 342 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: the big storyline all throughout training camp, preseason, people looking 343 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: for tells. I'm sure you're gonna have people breaking down 344 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: video from Twitter of fans and trying to glean a 345 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: bunch out of it, but they're not going to show 346 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: a lot. They're They're gonna probably keep it pretty vanilla 347 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: anytime there are fans or media on hand, and then 348 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: kind of wait to unveil it till the season. But 349 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: to me, what's more telling than what we're seeing out 350 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: there now is what we're hearing from players and from 351 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, who all seem very excited about what Shane's 352 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: brought so far. Okay, so we need to clear up 353 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: some misconceptions based on what we know from what we 354 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: heard from Pete, Carroll and players. There's three really big 355 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: misconceptions that I think we need to level set going 356 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: into training camp. Number One, this is not the same 357 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: offense that the Rams ran, and I know that it 358 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: is easy to point back to what they did when 359 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: Shane Waldron was part of that coaching staff. But John, 360 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: we know this is not going to look the same 361 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: because Gerald Everett, who came over from the Rams set, 362 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: there's still plenty that he doesn't know or has not 363 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: seen yet that they are installing right now. Yeah, I mean, 364 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: obviously there will be elements of it, but look, you 365 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: don't have a Hall of Fame quarterback going into year 366 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: ten who right rightly, Russell Wilson is going to have 367 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: some opinions of what he likes in an offense and 368 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: what he does well. You don't come in and scrap 369 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: everything he likes just to start over with the Rams offense. 370 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: So you bring, you marry some elements of what they 371 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: did well in LA that Shane Waldron likes, that Pete 372 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: Carroll likes, and you combine it with what Russell Wilson 373 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: already likes and does well, and you know, you make 374 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: your own offense. And look, Shade, Waldron had his own 375 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: offensive thoughts and philosophies before he got to the RAMS. 376 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: So I'm sure there's things the Rams didn't do that 377 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: he would have loved to implement if you were in charge. 378 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, you know there's going to be some carryover, 379 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: to be sure, but it is not going to be 380 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: the same thing. Okay, here's the second misconception we need 381 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: to clear up. There are no crazy route trees. They 382 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: did not reinvent the wheel. When it comes to routes. 383 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: When we talk about this being an offense that has 384 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: not been seen before, what we're saying is, this is 385 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: not exactly what the RAMS ran. This is not exactly 386 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: what the Seahawks rams' exactly. To your point, John, it 387 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: is a mix of things. When we hear receivers like 388 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf or Tyler Lockett talking about the routes, what 389 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: we're actually talking about, and I'm going to borrow this 390 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: phrase from our good friend Michael Bumpus is bend but 391 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: don't break routes, right, we don't. They don't have to 392 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: be as sharp. You can bend those routes a little 393 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: bit more. The receivers are getting read them, is what 394 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: I'm hearing when we say this is unique and this 395 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: is different, and I think that's going to benefit Tyler 396 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: Lockett as much anybody. He has always been a receiver 397 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: who has kind of that creative route running in him 398 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: that I think if he played his career in a 399 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: really strict system whereas this you do this exact thing, 400 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: he would still do good at because he's a very 401 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: talent player, but he would not reach his potential because 402 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: part of what makes him so good is his intelligence, 403 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: his creativity as a route runner. And obviously he and 404 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson are on the same page. They've been doing 405 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: this a long time together. So him having some of 406 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: that flexibility to look at what the defense is giving 407 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: and make some decisions at the line of scrimmage is 408 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: really going to be excited to see. Okay, here's the 409 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: third misconception. We need to address the Seahawks up tempo 410 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: versus no huddle. Yep, it does not mean the Seahawks 411 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: are going to be going no huddle start to finish 412 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: what does up tempo re mean in this John, I mean, 413 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: it can. It look different in a lot of ways. 414 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: But for the most part, when they're talking about temper 415 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: right now, it's how quickly you're in and out of 416 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: the huddle, how quickly you're getting the play call out, 417 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: getting to the line of scrimmage. It's the tempo of 418 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: the whole process, from the play ending to getting that 419 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: next snap off. It does not mean, as you said, 420 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: no huddle, run up there and just get the snap 421 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: off in ten seconds. I think they're going to be 422 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: prepared to do that when they need it, and they've 423 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: always done that well when when they need to call 424 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: in it in late game situations. But I think it's 425 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: just more the temp of the entire play process. And 426 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: here's a couple other things that whether they're misconceptions or 427 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: again just level setting. The Seahawks are still going to 428 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: run the ball. Yeah, everything comes off of the run. 429 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: In fact, if you go back and look at the 430 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: ram's numbers the last couple of years, they have more 431 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: average rushing yards a game than the Seahawks do. Yeah, 432 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: it's not about you know, we've had this conversation million times, 433 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: and the talk about balance has never been about we're 434 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: running it this many times, We're throwing it this many times. 435 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: It's the ability to do both well when you need it. 436 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: And I think we're going to see some new elements 437 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: of the running game that weren't there before. You know, 438 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: maybe that'll be some of what they bring over from Lay. 439 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: They had a pretty good creative running game there in 440 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and I think, you know, when we talk 441 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: about that, you got to look at An Dickerson to 442 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: what he'll bring in on his side of it, you know, 443 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: as the brand game coordinator. So, yeah, they're gonna still 444 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: want to run the ball. They're you know, they're not 445 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna necessarily run it fifty times a game, but that 446 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: will always be part of the offense. I think piggybacking 447 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: off of that. One of the most interesting comments really 448 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: to me throughout all of this talk about the offense 449 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: we heard from Pete Carroll was I don't have the 450 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: quote from him, but he basically said, like, you know, 451 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: I'm staying out of Shane's way right now because he 452 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: has such a good command of it. And I think 453 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: there's a fear of some Seahawks fans that it doesn't 454 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: matter who your coordinator brings in Pete's gonna make him 455 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: do this, this and this, and it's going to be 456 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: this old school offense of trying to just run it 457 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: all the time. And we'll see what happens come you know, 458 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: September October. But right now, the way Pete Carroll is 459 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: talking about it, he's getting out of the way and 460 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: letting Shane do his thing. Yeah, it because of the 461 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: way he is able to so clearly communicate and the 462 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: way that the guys are picking up what it is 463 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: that they want that offense to look like. And here's 464 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: the other things. Fans should not be disappointed to see 465 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: shorter routes. Right last year you had dk Metcalf and 466 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett who both went over a thousand receiving yards. Okay, 467 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: their yards after catch numbers accounted for about a third 468 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: of their total yards. If you take a look at 469 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: the RAMS offense with Cooper Cup and Robert Woods that 470 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: was the rams top two leading receivers, half of their 471 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: receiving yards were yards after catch. They had the same 472 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: amount of yards, but it's how they got those yards. 473 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: And so I think when we take a look at 474 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: this expects something that's in that shorter to you know, 475 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of mid range window. Not everything is going to 476 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: be deep down the field. And I think that opens 477 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: a lot for this offense. And it goes back to 478 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: what we were saying in freedom and wide receivers. Yeah, 479 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: and a couple points on that that I think are 480 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: really important. One we heard the comment from Pete Carroll 481 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: last year about, you know, they don't want to keep 482 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: playing against these two deep defenses. They're just taking away 483 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: the deep ball. Yeah, running the game. Running the ball 484 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: helps out a lot, and that'll be part of it. 485 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: But another big part of it is when they're giving 486 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: you those looks taking the underneath stuff. To me, the 487 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: other big part of this. You know, again we don't 488 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: know exactly what this offense is, but assuming there's elements 489 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: of that. We keep talking about the pass protection this offense, 490 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: how this offseason, how much Russell Wilson is getting hit. 491 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: A ton of that is not the offensive line. A 492 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: lot of that is when you're throwing the ball deep 493 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: all the time, you have a quarterback holding the ball 494 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: to make the deep throw, maybe making a pass rusher miss, 495 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: spinning out, hanging on the ball a long time. A 496 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: lot of sacks come off that if you can get 497 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands faster, if you can 498 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: maybe you know, play action bootleg him more, your offensive 499 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: line doesn't have to play any better to cut those 500 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: sack numbers drastically. Yeah. Yeah, And here's the one thing 501 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: that we could tell from watching the offense at a distance. 502 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: They are going to run more bunch sets and they 503 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: are going to have reduced splits, and they are going 504 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: to use the field differently. And I think that helps too, 505 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: because if you're going to run everything inside the hashes 506 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: and you've got that outside open on the field, boy, 507 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: all DK or Tyler or Dwayne has to do is 508 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: get in that open space and they'll be easy to see. 509 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: Right with nobody covering. You're not going to be able 510 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: to cover three speedsters in some of these formations every 511 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: time out. It's just not going to happen. So I 512 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: do think it's going to be exciting, but it might 513 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: not look exactly the way Seahawks fans are picturing it 514 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: in their mind. Right now, John, we've now spent ten 515 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: minutes talking about the offense. So that was good. My 516 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: plan worked. It was perfect. It's maybe not perfect brilliant. Okay, 517 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: next thing, up for the Seahawks is training camp that 518 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: starts in late July. We will have three preseason games 519 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: this year. Don't forget a seventeen game schedule that is 520 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: brand new for the NFL. So what they've done is 521 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: taken away one of the preseason games. They've moved it 522 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: to a regular season game when the Seahawks take the 523 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: field in July. This is how we're wrapping up today, John, 524 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: what are the two things you are most interested or 525 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: intrigued in seeing. Well, we just talked a ton about 526 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: the offense, and I guess I'm most intrigued by seeing 527 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: what we can glean from it. But again, I don't 528 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: think that's gonna necessarily be a lot, but still just 529 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: every little bit we'll be interesting to see. And just 530 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: you know, how comfortable is Russell Wilson with what they're doing. 531 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, how are the receivers coming along? And I 532 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: guess I'll lump into that also just the progress of 533 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: Dwayne Eskridge, because you know they're counting on him to 534 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: be a playmaker and you know, potentially if he's that 535 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: number three guy, he'll be on the field a ton 536 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: other side of the ball. I want to see that 537 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: competition at cornerback. I want to see, you know, does 538 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: Kill Witherspoon just come right in and win the job. 539 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: We know free agent cornerbacks have sometimes had a little 540 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: trouble stepping in, but he's coming from a defense very similar. 541 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: He's you know, fits the prototype. I think he's got 542 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: the potential to be a really good player. Does DJ 543 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: Reid hang on too starting job? It would certainly appear 544 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: he's a front runner, but again he'll have to earn it. 545 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: And then you mentioned Trey Flowers earlier. You've got Pierre 546 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: to see your back. You're converting to Marius Randall back 547 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: to corner. You got the rookie Tray Brown. It's you know, 548 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: it's a very deep competition right now, and I well, 549 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: it'll be one that we'll have to wait a while 550 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: to see how it goes. How about you. Yeah, nice, 551 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: because you took mine, so I had to come up 552 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: with two new ones on the five and let me 553 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: go first. I know that's true, that's not happening again. 554 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: I want to see Chris Carson, and I want to 555 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: see how they utilize Chris Carson. He was not part 556 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: of OTAs that he was welcoming a new baby to 557 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: the family. So I want to see how they can 558 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: utilize Chris Carson and on the defensive side of things, 559 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: there's almost an embarrassment of riches at defensive end, and 560 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: I want to see what that rotation could possibly look 561 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: like and what the interior of that defensive line looks like. 562 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: For as much as we talk about the secondary, we 563 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: all know that pass rush was key when the Legion 564 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: of Boom was dominating. So was that pass rush. So 565 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: I want to see what that looks like and see 566 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: if the Seahawks can really jump on that earlier in 567 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: the year instead of what we saw last year with 568 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: needing help kind of mid season and needing some time 569 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: to turn the corner on that. So that's what I'm 570 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: going to say. Yeah, I mean to me, that's one 571 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: of the biggest things with this defense is, as you said, 572 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: it took him half a season to get the pass 573 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: rush going, and with that came drastic improvements in the 574 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: entire defense. So you've got your guys back. You added 575 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: Carrie Hider. I think if they can start off where 576 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: they picked up pass rush wise, this defense has a 577 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: chance to be awfully good. And I think it's just 578 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: going to feel awfully good to get on the field 579 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: for training camp. I would imagine we might see some 580 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: twelves at training camp, but we will certainly see a chance. 581 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: We'll find out later. Books. You know, when the Seahawks 582 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: take the field, we know that they will be there 583 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: for sure. I think that's going to do it for 584 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: us today, John, and we'll just make plans to reconvene 585 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: once training camp starts. Should we wish our producer a 586 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: happy thirtieth birthday, even though we should appreciate the day, yep, 587 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: that's always good. We'll send them out on a high note. 588 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today. We'll be back with more 589 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: Seahawks Insiders podcast when the Seahawks get underway with training 590 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: camp in July.