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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: This episode contains spoilers for season three, episode one of

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Speaker 2: Yellow Jackets.

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Speaker 3: You warned.

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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jason Keccepsio and I'm risday Night

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Speaker 2: and welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where

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Speaker 2: we dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 2: pop culture comedy from our podcast where we'll bring you

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Speaker 2: three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. Don't

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Speaker 2: a link in our episode description. You will find a

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Speaker 2: link there to take our quick listener survey so that

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Speaker 2: we can find out from you what things you like,

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Speaker 2: what things you don't like, what things you'd like to

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Speaker 2: hear more of, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are talking about Yellowjackets.

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Speaker 1: We talked about season one and we loved it. We

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Speaker 1: covered season two every single week and we were a

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Speaker 1: little bit disappointed. What is season three offering.

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Speaker 3: We have checked in on the first premiere episode and

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Speaker 3: we will be talking about it along with our general feelings.

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Speaker 1: About puzzle box mystery box shows. How'd you do them right?

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Speaker 1: How'd you do them wrong? How many are there? There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of them? Guys. So yeah, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: But first shipping out of their lock for the season

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Speaker 2: three premiere of Yellowjackets. Okay, Rosie. Yellowjackets is back for

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Speaker 2: season three after as you mentioned up top, a stellar

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Speaker 2: and quite intriguing for a season, followed by a second

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Speaker 2: season where we started to get into crazy Riverdale territory.

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Speaker 1: Yes, lots of wild stuff going on.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't watched Yellow Jackets, you can go back

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Speaker 3: and listen to our We did an episode about Yellow

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Speaker 3: Jackets season one. You can go back and listen to that.

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Speaker 3: We also did coverage of the whole of season two.

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Speaker 3: You can go back and listen to that. Season one

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Speaker 3: basically dual timeline show in the nineties timeline a group

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Speaker 3: of girls who play soccer crash in the woods and

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Speaker 3: have to survive, and in the future, the adult survivors

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Speaker 3: of that group deal with someone blackmailing them about the truth.

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Speaker 1: That was very intriguing.

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Speaker 3: It was also weirdly intimate and basically just a character piece,

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Speaker 3: and that really pushed it through. There was lots of

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Speaker 3: hints of what could come. Is there something supernatural? Is

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Speaker 3: they're gonna be cannibalism? Will the girls survive it? Ended

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Speaker 3: with the death of one of the girls, Jackie. That

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Speaker 3: was a big deal Ella Pernell's character. We also discovered

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Speaker 3: who the blackmailer was. It was one of the main

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Speaker 3: and by the way, the girls killed someone.

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Speaker 1: Will that come back to want them? We don't know.

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Speaker 1: They killed someone In the modern day.

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Speaker 3: They killed a sexy guy who called Adam and they

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Speaker 3: chopped him up. It was pre messed up. Season two,

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Speaker 3: they finally succumbed to cannibalism. That was basically the moment

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Speaker 1: Was she running a cult?

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Speaker 3: Was it just the wellness center? Had she been in charge?

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Speaker 3: All those answers were left open to us as we

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Speaker 3: she was killed Juliette Lewis accidentally killed by her bestie

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Speaker 3: want to be bestie Misty played by Christina Ricci, and

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Speaker 3: an injection of bentanol. So, as you can tell, lots

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Speaker 3: going on in this show. Jason, what did you think

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Speaker 3: of episode one of season three?

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Speaker 1: Did it hook you back in? Did it leave you

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Speaker 2: I'll say this and stay tuned for a broader conversation

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Speaker 2: about mystery box shows in general, which this show most

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Speaker 2: definitely is.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I will say that one thing that I appreciated from

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Speaker 2: Which it's clear that the girls look to her in

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Speaker 1: But I do think the show.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting and once again, as if you ever.

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Speaker 3: Listen to our speed recaps of season two, so much

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Speaker 1: The girls are trying to survive.

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Speaker 3: They've got these new witchy huts because at the end

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Speaker 1: But they are now living. Spring has come.

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Speaker 3: They're doing okay. Seanna is not doing okay. She lost

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Speaker 3: because I do think Yellow Jackets is probably this show

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Speaker 1: And we're back, Okay.

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Speaker 2: The mystery Box Rosie, which I think this show definitely is,

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Speaker 2: The originator of the form is probably Twin Peaks Lak,

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And also as well, that's like the funniest thing

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Speaker 3: very different experience than I am covering Yellow Jackets at

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Speaker 3: IGN and I covered it all last season with you

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Speaker 1: What do you need to know?

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Speaker 3: Before season three, and I still had to go back

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Speaker 3: and in that two years we have all lived, you know,

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Speaker 3: But you know, this is just more of an interesting

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Speaker 2: They're also fun, but when they hit, they really fun.

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Speaker 2: When they hit their Yeah, when they hit it's that

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Speaker 2: it's the kind of thing that you watch television four

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Speaker 1: Lightning in a Bottle? Which was the first season of Yellowjackets.

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Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that this season ends up in a

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Speaker 3: in and our discord's going crazy for it because I

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Speaker 3: believe that the juice is there.

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Speaker 1: I believe we've seen.

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Speaker 3: That they have the juice, but the question is can

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Speaker 1: I hope.

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Speaker 2: So in the next few episodes of X ray Vision,

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Speaker 2: we're diving into.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, so many stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray

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Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jason Concepts Young and Rosie Night

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Speaker 2: and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joelmanek and Aaron Cortman.

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Speaker 2: Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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Speaker 3: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan, and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and

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Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator,