1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Daniel Bard, longtime Big leaguer who just announced his retirement, 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: joining us here on FT. Great to have you on 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: the show. Thank you for the time. Congratulations on the 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: retirement announcement. How you doing. What a run man? 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, guys, thank you all for having me. 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: It's it's been kind of a crazy week getting back 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 2: into dad life. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: You know. 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: What went into it. So I know, you know, you 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: signed a minor league deal with Seattle in June. You 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: were in the Triple A affiliate there, and then at 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: some point did you say, hey, this is time and 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: here's why. 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. It was actually really sudden and kind of unexpected 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: even for me. Signed the deal back around June. First, 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: I was coming off flexer tendant surgery and my elbow 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: and I really just wanted to kind of give it 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: one more run and try to have some fun and 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: make that, you know, rehab worthwhile. So got to deal 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: with the Mariners, had a chance accept a Triple A. 21 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: Threw the ball pretty well. You know, it wasn't in 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: my peak form for sure, but it was it was 23 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: enough to get out for sure. But you know, I 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 2: went home from the All Star break and it would 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 2: I fully intended on heading back to the team and 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: at least getting to my next opt out date, which 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: is about a month away. And I don't know if 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: you guys can relate a little bit, but I just 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: it was at that point I went to head back, 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: get on the plane the next morning, and I was 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: packing my bags the night before, and I just it 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: did not feel worth it anymore. My kids needed me 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: at home, and I still there's still an urge to 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: play in a way, like I still love the game 35 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: of baseball, which I think is a good thing. The 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: last time I retired seven or eight years ago, you know, 37 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: I was kind of burned out and really just didn't 38 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: did not love the game. So this was totally different. 39 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: This was getting pulled in a different direction by my 40 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: family and couldn't be more happy about it. 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 4: Doesn't that make it more relieving that that's the reason 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: that you're going, Like you're like, wait a minute, I 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 4: could still throw But you know what, maybe I'm gonna 44 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: change some diapers. I'm not sure how old your kids are, 45 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 4: but maybe I'm gonna go chase around some some kids 46 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 4: at at you know, at their field or at their 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: dance or their swim whatever it is yeah. 48 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: That's that mine are a little bit older, and I 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: think that's it was a little easier for me when 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: they were babies. You know, you get to leave the 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: diaper changing and now it's uh, you know, they got 52 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: Little League and like you said, they got swim and 53 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: gymnastics and you know, they got you know, elementary school 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: kid problems that sometimes you need your dad for. So 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: you know, you keep up as much as you can 56 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: on the phone, but it's just not the same as 57 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: being there in person. 58 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: Daniel, Was that the moment, like what was that moment? 59 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: Like did you pick up the phone right away or 60 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: call and say I'm done? Or did your wife give 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 3: you a big hug? Did your kids come and give 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: you a big hug? Because every time I always say this, 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: there's a moment for everybody, and you say, you know what, 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to do this anymore. As much as 65 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 3: we all love baseball, there's just the juice isn't worth 66 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: a squeeze, right, It's like, all right, my kids are 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: in an age. So that moment was your wife crying 68 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: and giving you a hug? Were your kids giving you 69 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: a hug? And you called and said, you know what, No, moss. 70 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: Oh I was the one doing most of the crying, 71 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: which is not like me, but that's kind of what 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: led to it. Was. I was packing up the night before, 73 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: about eleven o'clock at night. I was supposed to get 74 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: on a seven am flight back to Tacoma, and I 75 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: could not. I put the kids to bed, left my 76 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: daughter's room, pretty emotional because I knew I wasn't going 77 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: to see him for over a month, and it just 78 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: kind of hit me like a wave of emotion, like 79 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: this is where I need to be. I don't need 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: to be packing up and leaving these people right now. 81 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: And it's always hard, you know, there this isn't a 82 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: new thing where it's hard to hard to leave yours 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: when you know you're not going to see them, but 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: this was like ten times the normal emotion that I 85 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: feel leaving them. And so I, my wife and I 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: talked for probably two hours that night, just talking through it, 87 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: like what does this mean? Is it going to happen? 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: And she was just extremely supportive, and you know, she said, hey, 89 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: if you want to keep going, we're here. You know, 90 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 2: if you want to be done, we're ready for you 91 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: to be home as well. So couldn't have been more supportive. 92 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: She left it up to me, and I'm grateful for that. 93 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: She just supported me the whole way. And yeah, so 94 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: I woke up the next morning. The kids were expecting 95 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: me to have already left for the airport. And see 96 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: the look on their faces when I said, hey, we're done. 97 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: I'm staying home from now on and just the gave 98 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: me a big hug. And you know, they love supporting me. 99 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: They were always there. They love being in the clubhouse. 100 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: But I think they were ready. So it made it 101 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: feel like the right decision. 102 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: Before we get to your career. Did your kids say anything, 103 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: because you feel like, because I know when I when 104 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: I finally told my kids, I mean I told them 105 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: like the whole year that I was gonna be done. 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: It was COVID, so it was weird. But they were 107 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: like no because they had just had My boys were 108 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 4: like no, like we get to go in the clubhouse now, 109 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: can't be done And they started crying about it. And 110 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 4: then it was like, so, did your kids say anything 111 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 4: or were they just like, cool, let's just go outside. 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: More the more the latter, more than let's go outside. 113 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: You know, My time in Colorado was really special getting 114 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: We were there for five years. That became our second home. 115 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: Denver was the clubhouse. The kids were in there two 116 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: or three times a week, jumping on everybody in their lockers. 117 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: So they knew everybody, from the security guys to the 118 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: clubbies to the trainers. They knew everyone. Everyone knew their names. 119 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: It was great. So that was home. But you know, 120 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: that was that ended last year and we're moving on 121 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: to a different phase. And I, you know, gave it 122 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: a little bit of shot here with the Mariners and 123 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: got kind of what I wanted out of it. You know, 124 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 2: I was hoping to get back to the big leagues. 125 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 2: But honestly, I went into it just saying, hey, I'm 126 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: going to prove to myself that this rehab you know, worked, 127 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: and that I got back physically, that I threw strikes, 128 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: got some outs, and you know, I wasn't playing on 129 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: cutting it this short. That that wasn't the plan at all. 130 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: But that's just how life goes sometimes. Krats. 131 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: If I'm new to card collecting and I'm looking for 132 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: the safest, most trusted way in the game to acquire 133 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: cards or to buy a card, but not go through 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: a ton of work where I'm going to the shows, 135 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm going online doing auctions. I want it all in 136 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: one place. 137 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 2: I'm going to Arena Club. 138 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 4: It's all one place. You know you're getting a good price, 139 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: whether you're buying it or you're selling cards. If you're 140 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 4: new to it, you don't want all the other crappy cards. 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 4: You can get the ones that you want. You can 142 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: start your collection and if you get them on Arina Club, 143 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: your collection will look. 144 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: That's right, And may I mention they also have Pokemon 145 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: cards in those slab packs that we talk about every week. 146 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: You can rip a pack for as low as twenty 147 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: five dollars and hit on a card that's worth tens 148 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars because every pack has grails that 149 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: are at least twenty x the price of the pack. 150 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: So get involved at arenaclub dot com slash vul use 151 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: the code foul to get twenty percent off your first 152 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: slab pack or card purchase. 153 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 4: As the resident minor leaguer here, I have to say, 154 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: and I tell people this story. In two thousand and eight, 155 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 4: I was in my sixth season, I think in the 156 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: minor leagues. You know, I still hadn't been in the 157 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: big leagues yet, and I was twenty eight in Double 158 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 4: A and freaking justin. Masterson comes in and he's starting, 159 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,559 Speaker 4: and he's throwing these bowling ball sinkers at ninety seven 160 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: and ninety nine, and I'm like, you know what, it's okay. 161 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: I can't get a hit against him, but the rest 162 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 4: of this Portland Sea Dogs staff I can get a 163 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: hit against. And then Daniel Bard comes in for like 164 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: I don't know, like six seconds that you were in 165 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: Portland and you were throwing ninety die miles an hour. 166 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: And I remember leaving that game in Portland saying, I'm 167 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 4: never gonna make the big leagues if these guys are 168 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: constantly coming out. So I want you to know that 169 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: you gave me no hope to make the big leagues 170 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: back in two thousand and eight when I was still 171 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: struggling to try to crack the big leagues. 172 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: You did all right, man. I just just you know, 173 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: I was trying to help you out, you know, make 174 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: it look harder and make the next guy lookal easier. 175 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: Now I was I remember that that which who were 176 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: you with at that point? 177 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 4: New Hampshire? 178 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh we played you guys a lot. Yeah, I 179 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 2: knew I knew I played against you, I could just 180 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: couldn't remember where it was. And yeah, those are some 181 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: good battles, some good teams. I think there was probably 182 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: six or seven big leaguers on both both of those teams. 183 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: But yeah, that was one of those years where I 184 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: just things were starting to click for me and I 185 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: was trying to just ride the wave. 186 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: Did you think it was going to end up being 187 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 4: the way that it was? I mean, obviously, you know, 188 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 4: we'll get into the things that you struggled with and stuff, 189 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: But when you have that fast of an assent and 190 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: it was like you were hyped up. I mean we 191 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: were playing in New England, I was in New Hampshire, 192 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: you were in Portland. Boston's you know, a quick cab 193 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 4: ride down the down the coast there, Like there was 194 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 4: never any like question you were going to be part 195 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 4: of the Boston future. Just epic bullpen. How are those 196 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: years when you were like a pick out of North 197 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 4: Carolina and coming through the system, Like as a minor 198 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: leaguer in the Boston system, you are always like you 199 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 4: are on more on display than other teams because not 200 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: other organizations, because you're just in the minor league system. 201 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: From Lowell to I get it, you go down to 202 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: where were they at that time, Greenville, you know, but 203 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 4: then you're in paul Tucket, you're in Portland. Do you 204 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 4: feel like that's you had a different experience during those 205 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 4: years than other people? What have has prospects coming up? 206 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: I think so. I mean this is you know, pre 207 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: social media. The Internet's not what it was now so 208 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: but the Red Sox fan base has always been rabbid, 209 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: and they knew they know their guys, they know who's 210 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: drafted high, they know who they gave money to, and 211 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: there's always been a presence, you know, online of just 212 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: fans that care a lot. And then they yeah, you 213 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: kind of get blown up. And to say that I 214 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: knew I was going to be a part of that, 215 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: you know, Red Sox team in a few years, I didn't. 216 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: I mean I hoped I would, and I knew I 217 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 2: had the talent, but that was you know, we could 218 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: talk about that more, but it was just it was 219 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: always I felt like I had to earn it and 220 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: it never felt automatic to me. And my first year 221 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: in the minors was was awful. I mean I was terrible. 222 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: I was the worst picture on my eight ball, team 223 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: a year after being drafted in the first round, which 224 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: is not a very good feeling. So I think the 225 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: year you're you're referring to was that second year when 226 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: they moved me to the bullpen and things start to click. 227 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: But it was never never felt automatic by any means, Daniel. 228 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: People that don't know your story don't understand what you 229 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: went through. You know, leaving the game, you had the yips, right, 230 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: you had the yips. You couldn't throw a strike, whatever 231 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: it was. Can you explain how you came back from that, 232 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: because nobody comes back from that, and you did it. 233 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it took some years, but you came back 234 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: and became a very effective major league picture again. 235 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I describe it as there I kind 236 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: of I think for the yips to happen to someone 237 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: in my case in particular, I think it was there 238 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: was no one event. There wasn't one day where I 239 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I've got it. It was a gradual 240 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: thing over the course of probably a year plus, kind 241 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: of a perfect storm that that set in. I think 242 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: there was some physical, underlying, physical condition stuff going on. 243 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 2: I had some tos and then you have the poor results. 244 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: The villa diminishing man, getting a little little bit worse, 245 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 2: and then you start mentally going, shoot something, something's not right. 246 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: Why am I only throwing ninety two and it's not 247 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: hitting the right side of the plate that I wanted to, 248 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: So you start trying harder. It's this perfect storm and 249 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: your body's not you know, I was. I was three 250 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: years with seventy five plus appearances. I wasn't hurt, but 251 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: you know, at that point, your arm's kind of hanging 252 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: three years in pitching in playoff races, and you know, 253 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: it kind of just the wheels fell off in that 254 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: fourth year. So for me, it was like a perfect 255 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: storm for it to happen, and it was kind of 256 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: a perfect storm for me to get out of it. 257 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: I grinded through the miners for the next five years 258 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 2: with very little to show for it. Got a handful 259 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: of innings in those five years. It wasn't much throwing 260 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: a lot of bullpens on backfields down at spring training sites, 261 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: a lot of extended springtime, which is not where you 262 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 2: want to be as a you know, a four year 263 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: big leaguer. But I could, I can honestly say that 264 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: and trade it. Obviously it would have been nice to 265 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: have those seven years a big league time in big 266 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: league salary, but for what it did for me as 267 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: a person, kind of resetting me, bring me back down 268 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: to earth, helping me have a little more, you know, 269 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: empathy for people going through different mental health issues, mental 270 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: health challenges. I didn't know anything about that world going 271 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: into this, and when it happened to me and I 272 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: had to deal with my own stuff, it just helps 273 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: you feel for people that go through all sorts of things. 274 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 2: And the brain's a crazy thing, man, It's we still 275 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: know so little about it. I mean, I've talked to 276 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: every supposed YIPS expert there is out there, and there's 277 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: some really smart ones, but the good ones will admit 278 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 2: that it's they don't have it figured out. And I 279 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: would say the same thing. I don't have it figured out. 280 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: I don't have a magic pill or an answer, but 281 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: I do know that when I retired in twenty seventeen, 282 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: the two years I spent coaching, I think that was 283 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: the best thing for me. Totally moved on from playing, 284 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: no interest in doing it again, and I just kind 285 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: of poured all my energy into being a dad. And 286 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: then I took a coaching job with the Diamondbacks, and 287 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: I was kind of mentoring their minor league guys. And 288 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: part of that was telling my story, my ups and downs, 289 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: which I had never really talked about before. You know, 290 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: I'd kind of kept it all closed up. And I 291 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: think that was kind of my therapy, was telling my 292 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: story fifty times to a bunch of different minor leaguers 293 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: and coaches and getting honestly a lot of positive response. 294 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: You know, I viewed myself as a failure at that point, 295 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: and I would tell my story, and you know, the 296 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: response I would get was, hey, man, that's awesome. You 297 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: got four years in Boston. I'd give anything to have, 298 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: you know, two days in Boston. I'm like, yeah, ye, 299 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: look if you look at it that way. And then 300 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: other people would say, man, I can't believe you grinded 301 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: through it for five years. I would have quit after 302 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: a month. I was like, yeah, yeah, it might be 303 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: stupidity too, but yeah, I guess I did grind. I 304 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: did grind for a while, and so I started to 305 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: view my own story just a lot differently and in 306 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: some more positive light, and slowly, just I was playing 307 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: catch with some guys, which I couldn't do for a 308 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: long time, couldn't throw half the balls over their head. 309 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: And I was playing catch with some players that I 310 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: was coaching and started to come out good, started to 311 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: feel fun again, and just kind of that second year 312 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: of coaching, it kind of just got better and better. 313 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: As the summer went to where I started, players started saying, hey, man, 314 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: you need to play again. I'm like, I can't do that. 315 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: I can't grind through that again. You have no idea 316 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: what I've been through. And I kept hearing it from them, 317 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: kept hearing it, and it just planted the seed that 318 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: I took into that offseason and kept throwing, got my 319 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: arm and actually, you know, game ready shape again and 320 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: just to see what was there. And I threw a 321 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: bullpen and it was ninety five for strikes and I couldn't. 322 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it myself. And my wife told me 323 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: at that point, She's like, well, what are you going 324 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: to do? And I was like, probably go back to coaching. 325 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: She was like, well, if you do that, like you're 326 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: gonna this is gonna eat at you for the rest 327 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: of your life, Like you know, you got the ability 328 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: to throw back and then didn't do anything with it. 329 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: So I was like, you're right, we got to do this. 330 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: And so on my agent out of the blue, he's like, 331 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: what's what's up man, He's like, I haven't heard from 332 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: you in a while. I'm like, hey, man, I need 333 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: you to set up a tryout. I could hear it 334 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: in his voice like disbelief, like okay, okay, yeah, yeah 335 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: we can. We can set that up. I think he 336 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: knew that, like teams might just you know, completely laugh 337 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: it off. But it worked out, and I'm thankful to 338 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: the Rockies and the other other teams that showed interest. 339 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: And you know, it worked out beyond my wildest dreams. 340 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: What's the someone? You know, if someone else is going 341 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 4: through the yips right now, maybe you don't want to 342 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 4: use the word yips, and maybe you. 343 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: Know I can. 344 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know that. 345 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: I know some people are uncomfortable. I've lived at my 346 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: last ten years. 347 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: So what's the hardest what's the hardest part? Is it 348 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: thinking everybody's going to see you throw this ball over 349 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 4: that person's head or is it the physical? Like I 350 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 4: am so focused on throwing there and it is not connecting. 351 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 4: My brain and my arm are not connecting. What's which? 352 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: Which is harder because when you're throwing on a side field, 353 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: you say you threw thousands of bullpens without ever getting 354 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: in a game you knew other people were watching. 355 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sometimes it was me a catcher and 356 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: a pitching coach on a backfield. I still couldn't throw 357 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: a strike, and it would be like a pitching coach 358 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: that I loved, you know, it wasn't someone I was 359 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: like scared or tried to trying to impress. When it's there, 360 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: it's there, and it sucks. But yeah, there's the embarrassment 361 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: is probably the worst. You know, when you do it 362 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: on a bigger stage, or you're throwing a bullpen in 363 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: front of teammates or coaches and you know you want 364 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: to show them how good you are and it just 365 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't doesn't want to happen. But that the embarrassment 366 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: is rough. But it's Yeah, I think the when I'm 367 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: sitting there alone and a bullpen throw into a net 368 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: and I still can't make it do what I wanted 369 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: to do, the frustration is just unimaginable. 370 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: Hey, Daniel, quick question for you about your Rockies experience. 371 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: I know they gave you a shot. You had a 372 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: good time there. What did you notice there that was 373 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: missing and how difficult it was for let's just focus 374 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: on pitchers to survive the environment. I mean, really, if 375 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: you look back, they had some success early in the 376 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: kind of expansion years. Then there was a little run 377 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: towards the end of the tenure for Dano doubt and 378 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: now it's been a long time where the Rockies are 379 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: really in Abyss. So what are you witnessing there last 380 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: time you were around the Rockies organization? 381 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I learned a lot in my time there, 382 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: just what it's pitching at altitude, what it means, what 383 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: it does to the baseball, all the effects that it has. 384 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: And I just think they were behind on figuring out 385 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: analytically what the ball's doing. Differently, I think they're starting 386 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: to now, but I think they were a little bit 387 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: of an old school mindset, old school scouting team. And 388 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: you know, I think until very recently, and I think 389 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: that hurt him that you play in the most unique 390 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: environment in all of baseball, and you got to be 391 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: ahead of the game. You got to find a way 392 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: to make that place an advantage and not a disadvantage, 393 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: because every team that comes in there to play you 394 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: is you should be more prepared for that environment than 395 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: they are, and that's just not how it's played out 396 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: the last few years. You look at the Rocky teams 397 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: that have been good, and it's they dominate at home 398 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: and they play you know, close to five hundred ball 399 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: on the road, and that's kind of I think that's 400 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: the only way they're going to have any kind of 401 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: sustained success. So, you know, I know the pitching group 402 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: that I was there with was working hard to figure 403 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 2: out ways to pitch at altitude, and then you have 404 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 2: the problem of taking what you do at altitude and 405 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 2: then how do you pitch on the road and have 406 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: success in both places. No, it's equally hard. I think 407 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: for hitters, you know, they're seeing the ball move two 408 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: different ways home and road, and I don't know the 409 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 2: solution for that. I think they're starting to use more 410 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: of the VLO machines and the spinball machines to see 411 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: that movement, you know, when they do leave Denver. I 412 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: think that's helped a little bit. You see guys like 413 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: Hunter Goodman going off Mickey Moniacs having a great year there, 414 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: So it can be done. It's a hard thing to 415 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: sustain though. It's just a tough environment. There's so many 416 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: things working against you. 417 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 3: All right, Daniel, before we let you go, I will 418 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: be remiss if I don't ask you. How in the 419 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: world did your two thousand and six UNC team not 420 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: win the National Championship? You had two first round picks 421 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 3: and you and Andrew Miller, yead Ianetta, Rob Wooten. Let me see, Federovich, 422 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 3: we can do this roster. Who else did you guys have? 423 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: Adam Warren was on that team. Wow, I'm like, wow, 424 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: this team was loaded for bear. You guys didn't win 425 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: the World Series? What the heck happened? And why did 426 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: Andrew Miller go to Florida? It still drives me crazy. 427 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know, but I'm glad he did. 428 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: We're still good friends, and I think he wanted to 429 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: get out of Gainesville. I mean, who wants to out 430 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 2: of Florida? Florida? Right? 431 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? 432 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: Anyways, now, it was we were a good team. That 433 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 2: was That was I looked back on. That's my probably 434 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: my fondest baseball memories was that that year, that run 435 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: with that team, and we were I don't know if 436 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: you noticed or when you look this up, but we 437 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: were We were in the final, the game of the 438 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: National Championship, and we lost three to two, So we 439 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: were about as close as you could get without winning it. 440 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: Oregon State got us two years in a row, so 441 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: I still hold a special place in my heart for them. 442 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, I mean I knew you guys made 443 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: it far. But what mean Yes, Andrew couldn't throw a 444 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: strike in that game, so he walked a couple guys, 445 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: and that's. 446 00:21:59,359 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 4: Why you lost. 447 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: No, he was he was dominant that year. So I 448 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: pitched the third game. I pitched into the eighth inning. 449 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: He came in in relief for me, which was I 450 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: think his first relief outing of the year. It was 451 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: just kind of a winner, go home game and he 452 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: was thrown a hundred out of the pen. So, uh, 453 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: they scratched out a run. I think we made it. 454 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 2: We made a couple of errors. I think I made 455 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: an air at one point the cost us to run. 456 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: So it was unfortunate. We just came down to one game. 457 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: Anything can happen, true. 458 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: I think was good that team was loaded, by the 459 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 3: way loaded. 460 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: Their team was. 461 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, what I'm saying was that the Elsbury Oregon State 462 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: teams when Jacoby Elsbury. 463 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: Elsbury, he's a year older than me, so he left. 464 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: He got drafted the year before five they had Darwin Barney, 465 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: uh MITCHI Cannon, who I think is coach coaching there. 466 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: Now. 467 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: They had to get some good team. They had some 468 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: scrappy arms too, that could just great college pitchers that 469 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: could just they could spin it and they could tow strikes. 470 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 3: They get out, got it and well Belichick lead them 471 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: to the national championship in the next year. 472 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: I hope. So I don't if anything that win or 473 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: lose is going to be entertaining. So I'm looking forward 474 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: to the fall. You got your time. 475 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: You got your time, Daniel, Daniel, this was awesome. Thank 476 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Congratulations on the retirement 477 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: announcement and we'll hit you down the line. 478 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you guys for having me. This is fun.