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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Does this granny ever give up?

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Speaker 1: No way, Donna Adelson.

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Speaker 2: That's right, the granny convicted of having her son in law,

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Speaker 2: Dan Markel murdered. Oh my stars, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: she did it, but she got herself moved to a

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Speaker 2: new prison closer to home to serve out her life

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Donna Adelson has moved to a new CI

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Speaker 2: correctional institute closer to her home in South Florida. She

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Speaker 2: was being held at the Florida Women's Reception Center, Marion County,

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Speaker 2: but now she's moved to the Homestead Correctional Institute, Miami Dade.

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Speaker 2: As you know, she was convicted a first degree murder, conspiracy, solicitation,

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Speaker 2: and the murder of her son in law, Dan Markel.

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Speaker 1: Let me just start with our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 3: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson,

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Speaker 3: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving

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Speaker 3: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey is with

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Speaker 3: her as police take her into custody, the latest person

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Speaker 3: to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing

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Speaker 3: of Dan Markel. In charging documents and a warrant request,

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Speaker 3: prosecutors noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed

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Speaker 3: killing herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction,

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Speaker 3: he is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people

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Speaker 3: have also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey

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Speaker 3: Adelson had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has

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Speaker 3: no extradition agreement with the United States.

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Speaker 2: OKA understand this with me in an all star panel

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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. But

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Speaker 2: first two, Joel Waldman joining us out of this jurisdiction

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Speaker 2: in Florida, host off surviving the survivor Joel the mother

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Speaker 2: in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie Adelson

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Speaker 2: is the brother in law. And he's not just the

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Speaker 2: This is the brother in law of the dead husband,

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Speaker 2: the dad, Dan Markel, the law professor. So I want

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Speaker 2: to first start with the mother in law trying to

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Speaker 2: flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam. But this is just after

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Speaker 2: her son is convicted in the murder. Let's just start.

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Speaker 2: Why is the mother in law at the airport with

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Speaker 2: her husband, Harvey the one way take it to Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: Tell me how that whole thing went down?

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,

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Speaker 4: and she knew that it was coming. What a lot

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Speaker 4: of people don't know is that this happened over nine

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Speaker 4: years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all these years.

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Speaker 4: The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as.

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Speaker 1: Is the middlewoman.

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Speaker 4: But just to get back to your original question about

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Speaker 4: Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Adelson,

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Speaker 4: the ex brother in law, was convicted, and then exactly

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Speaker 4: a week to the day, Donna Adelson is arrested at

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Speaker 4: Miami International Airport. And what we found out since then

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Speaker 4: is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and her son

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Speaker 4: Charlie were on the phone for thirty five hours that week.

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Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven, thirty five hours In one way, guys,

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Speaker 2: you're hearing Joel Waldman. He is a host of an

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Speaker 2: incredible podcast, Surviving the survivor, Joel, don't.

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Speaker 1: Lose any of those thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg is joining US Palm Beach County state attorney

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Speaker 2: and friend of Dan Markel. Also with me Tamara Demco.

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Speaker 2: I've got that she is a doctor A jd. An

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Speaker 2: Rn She went to Harvard Law School. But aside from

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Speaker 2: all of her education and her achievements, she's a close

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Speaker 2: friend of the murder of victim Dan Markel. And again,

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Speaker 2: this case is like my head is spinning around with

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Speaker 2: all the ins and outs of this case. But to

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Speaker 2: break it down, this law professor Dan Markel, young, attractive,

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Speaker 1: He goes out of town.

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Speaker 2: He comes back, half the furniture is gone, and the

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Speaker 2: starts a very acrimonious divorce with win Adel's son Okay

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Speaker 2: as her mother that just got nabbed on a one

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Speaker 1: Dragging along the father. What did he know, Harvey? Is

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Speaker 1: Long story short?

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Speaker 2: David Ehrenberg, before I go to Tamara, Dave, I heard

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Speaker 2: you say something that I researched intensely. You were describing

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Speaker 2: Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted a murder,

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Speaker 2: and you referred to him as the Maestro, and you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is someone who's very self assured.

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Speaker 1: That's one way to put it right.

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Speaker 5: It was a book by Bob Woodward years ago about

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Speaker 5: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how

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Speaker 5: you know, that's a pretty interesting piece of evidence to

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Speaker 5: show that this guy self assured, to use the euphemism,

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Speaker 5: is the kind of guy who would help plan a

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Speaker 1: Thinks he just as smarter than everybody in the room.

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Speaker 1: What they can't read. That sign at the jail says

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Speaker 1: this is being recorded hello, exactly.

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Speaker 5: You know, he would so cocksure himself throughout the trial.

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Speaker 5: The fact that he took the stand and spun this

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Speaker 5: preposterous lie that he was the victim of extortion, which

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Speaker 5: at least one member of the jury, and so he

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Speaker 5: was shocked. You uhould see the face when he walked

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Speaker 5: in after a short deliberation, because he knew his goose

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Speaker 1: He just put his head down, like, I can't believe.

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Speaker 2: Somebody has finally called me on my shrit He finally

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Speaker 2: finally had to answer up that he arranged the hit.

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Speaker 6: One wan't see address of your emergency.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, come exactly what happened?

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Speaker 7: We heard it looked in the garage goal was up,

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Speaker 7: and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I

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Speaker 7: And I came back over and his wind his driver's

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Speaker 7: side window is shattered, and he's moving his head around, but

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Speaker 7: he's not responding. I've called his name. I asked what's

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Speaker 7: going on? And I call his name, asking what's happening.

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Speaker 7: He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of

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Speaker 7: Well, I can't tell.

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Speaker 6: Did you ever hear him talk or anything?

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Speaker 7: No, Okay, he said he's sitting in the car right

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars. When I hear about the execution style.

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Speaker 2: Hit on a loving dad of two little boys, a

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Speaker 1: To his children. When I hear that, it just pounds

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Speaker 2: He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was

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Speaker 2: still trying to speak, He was still moving his head around.

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Speaker 2: Professor Dan Markel, I had heard of him as being

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Speaker 2: a renowned law professor, just crackling with legal intelligence, totally

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Speaker 2: to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself.

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Speaker 2: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was

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Speaker 2: Was he thinking about his children while I ever see

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to more of that nine to one one call.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear it just like the jury.

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Speaker 5: So you're saying his head.

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Speaker 7: Is bloody, now, yes, some bloody. I mean the window shattered.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I

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Speaker 1: The driver's side window, correct, That's correct.

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Speaker 7: He's still moving around, So who's alive?

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Speaker 8: It looks like I should have an auscar coming up

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Speaker 7: Okay, well we need the mt.

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Speaker 4: The officer's going to be there first.

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Speaker 6: They're not going to come until we figure out what's

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Speaker 7: Okay, we'd better be if this guy's got a shot.

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Speaker 2: The state alleges she masterminded a paid hit on her

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Speaker 2: own son in law. How and the hay did a

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Speaker 2: mild mannered law professor end a dead execution style.

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Speaker 1: In his own garage, in his own car.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's pulling in home to see his children

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 9: Dan Markell comes home to find the house empty, his

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Speaker 9: a bed. Dan Markel describes the day as his pearl

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Speaker 9: Harbor without warning, life as he knew it was gone

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Speaker 9: for six weeks. Dan Markel says he doesn't know where

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Speaker 9: his children are, much less as soon to be ex wife.

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Speaker 9: Markel claims Aidolson is getting held from mother Donna Adelson

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Speaker 9: and brother Charles Adelson keeping her location secret. Their divorce

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Speaker 9: order is for them to share joint custody of the children.

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Speaker 2: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you.

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Speaker 2: Something, Dave mac joining me along with Gig McKelvey. First

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Speaker 2: of you, Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave mac.

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Speaker 1: There was never an allegation.

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Speaker 2: That Professor Markel the children, abuse the children, starve the children.

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Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, he injulged them, He petted them

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Speaker 1: They were his mini means, he adored them.

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Speaker 2: So the whole family gets in league with the wife,

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Speaker 2: Wendy Adelson to hide the children from the dad.

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Speaker 9: What is so shocking, Nancy that, Okay, the marriage is

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Speaker 9: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now, you've got

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Speaker 9: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,

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Speaker 9: and that's where she wants to go with her children.

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Speaker 9: We're talking an eight hour difference between where the where

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Speaker 9: the Markel's live in the northern part of Florida, and

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Speaker 9: where the Adolson family lives in southern Florida rather and

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Speaker 9: when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with. That's it,

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Speaker 9: that's where everything begins, Nancy. They actually, I say they

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Speaker 9: Alton family. You mentioned Dan Markel comes home to an

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Speaker 9: empty house, right, Well, he had gone to a convention

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Speaker 9: and he was like the keynote speaker at this big event.

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Speaker 9: They made sure that he got the message that Wendy

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Speaker 9: wanted a divorce right before he went on stage. They

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Speaker 9: played it out perfectly, and there was some crowd of

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Speaker 9: damaging him like that. It was amazing what they did

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, you know, hold on, Gigi, let me

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Speaker 2: go to Eric Fattus really quickly. Guys, Eric Fattus, veteran

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Speaker 2: trial lawyer or TV legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattus,

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Speaker 2: elite legal, former felony prosecutor. That's important, now, Defense attorney Eric,

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Speaker 2: when you are about to go to trial, strike a jury,

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Speaker 2: you got to be sharp. It's like a Wimbledon tennis match.

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Speaker 2: You can't miss a thing. I remember thinking in court,

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Speaker 2: I'd be watching the witness and watching the jury.

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Speaker 1: Watch the witness, watch the jury as questioning.

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Speaker 2: We take place like a tennis match, because if you

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Speaker 2: miss one word, one sentence, legal term, you're screwed.

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Speaker 2: what happened to Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcasts,

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Speaker 2: A hit podcast, Pretty Lies and Alibis gg. I want

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the day he was murdered.

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Speaker 1: What happened then? Gigi well, we know that.

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Speaker 11: Dan was on the phone with a special school that

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Speaker 1: Ron, this is a hit. There's no two ways about it.

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Speaker 2: There's no sex attack, nothing is stolen, there's not a

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Speaker 1: That's a hit, that's an execution.

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Speaker 8: Prema sure with malice, the forethought. Absolutely first degree murder

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Speaker 2: Now another thing, Dave mac joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that.

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Speaker 2: Just before he was murdered, Professor Markel was on the

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Speaker 9: It was a constant discussion between Dan Markel and Wendy

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and

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Speaker 9: After the court prevents Wendy Adelson from moving to South

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Speaker 9: converted to Catholicism, Knowing Markell and his family are strict

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Speaker 2: Man talk about down and dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, Doctor Sherry number one.

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Speaker 2: They try to bribe Markell the mother he's on trial

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Speaker 1: The mother in law literally from the gates of Hell.

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Speaker 2: Be fooled by that, right there. We'll just wait till

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Speaker 1: He's like, hell, no, I want to be with my children.

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Speaker 2: Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to

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Speaker 12: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me, Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I want.

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Speaker 2: You to hear the trajectory path of the bullet that

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Speaker 9: The Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his driveway

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Speaker 9: The killer was waiting for Markel outside his home in

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kenvill crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I

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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: After all the crying, the snotting, the hysterics, the drama

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Speaker 1: Wow okay. Caught en route to the Noam to avoid extradition.

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Speaker 2: Donna Adelson has just been moved to a cushy new

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Speaker 1: According to officials.

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Speaker 2: That would be Homestead, CI, Miami Dade County. It's my

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Speaker 2: understanding her daughter and the grandsons that she killed for

441
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Speaker 2: now live across the country, but this may make it

442
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Speaker 2: easier for her husband, who apparently was not part of

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Speaker 2: the murder plot, to come and visit.

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Speaker 1: Well.

445
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Speaker 2: She may be closer to home, but Dan Markel's sons

446
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Speaker 2: will never share a happy holiday at home with their

447
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: dad thanks to her.

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Speaker 3: The twelve member jury deliberated for approximately three hours before

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Speaker 3: returning a guilty verdict against Donna Adelson. She was found

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Speaker 3: guilty of first degree murder, conspiracy, and solicitation in Dan

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Speaker 3: Markel's death. Adelson is the second member of her family

452
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Speaker 3: to be found guilty in this case. Charley was convicted

453
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: first to hired killers and to go between also sentenced.

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Speaker 3: Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the judge read the verdict.

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Speaker 3: Judge Stephen Everett told Adelson to control herself as she

456
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Speaker 3: started to cry, instructing her to not have any more

457
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Speaker 3: outburst in front of the jury. Ruth Markel, Dan's mother,

458
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Speaker 3: said in her impact statement that Donna Adelson is a curse.

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Speaker 1: Back to the facts of the case.

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Speaker 2: Tamara Demco, a very dear friend of Dan Markel's, was

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Speaker 2: living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered. Tamara, I hardly

462
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: even know where to start, but why don't we start

463
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Speaker 2: with the day of the murder, what happened.

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Speaker 6: I did not find out about Jenny being shot until

465
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 6: he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July, I

466
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: received an email from a law school friend that said,

467
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Speaker 6: I just heard what happened to Dan. Are you okay?

468
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 6: And she knew that I was very close to Danny.

469
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 6: So I went to Facebook and I looked and I

470
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Speaker 6: saw the awful news and it was horrifying because he

471
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Speaker 6: was shot in broad daylight before noon on the eighteenth,

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Speaker 6: a Friday. I was working two miles down the road

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Speaker 6: while my dear friend was being murdered, and the thought

474
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 6: was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news,

475
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Speaker 6: and it was very.

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Speaker 2: Devastating, Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all

477
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: over the world only wish their husband would take the

478
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Speaker 2: children to school in the morning, do the school run.

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Speaker 1: I happened to love that's my favorite part.

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Speaker 8: Of the day.

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Speaker 2: But be involved, play with the children, do something with

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Speaker 2: the children. And I mean, I got lucky because my

483
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Speaker 2: husband does. But so many women feel that it's all

484
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Speaker 2: on them. And here's a guy, your friend, Danny Marcel,

485
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: who is fighting tooth and nail for his children. What

486
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: if anything, do you know about his battle with his

487
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: wife and his in laws over the children.

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Speaker 6: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so

489
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 6: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.

490
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 6: He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out

491
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 6: of his way to see you and to support you,

492
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Speaker 6: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.

493
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Speaker 6: But the boys were his life, and he would even

494
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Speaker 6: take time out of his schedule to go meet up

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Speaker 6: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind

496
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Speaker 6: of dad he was. You'd also see them to sleep

497
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Speaker 6: at night and he would play with them. He was

498
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 6: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and

499
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Speaker 6: still deserved to know him and who he was. The

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Speaker 6: divorce was very contentious.

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Speaker 2: Well that's one way put up, Tamara. I mean, because

502
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: did I have those facts right that he goes he's

503
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Speaker 2: a professor.

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Speaker 1: It is FSU correct. Danny Markel was a professor at FSU.

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Speaker 6: Florida State University, correct, and.

506
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: Was apparently in the academic world very well regarded.

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Speaker 1: He was also devout.

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Speaker 2: Because Joel woman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I

509
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: want her answer.

510
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that we find.

511
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: Out the mother in law, Donna Adelson, she quit work

512
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: and spent her whole life cultivating her three children like

513
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: they were hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going

514
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: to the right camps over the summer, getting this award

515
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: and that award, and the whole shebang.

516
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Speaker 1: And I'm not detigrading that, I'm applauding that.

517
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Speaker 2: But isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy

518
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: to bribe Danny with a million dollars to give up

519
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: the children, essentially let them move seven or eight hours

520
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: away to be close to her, the grandma. And then

521
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: when that didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to

522
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: raise them as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized and

523
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: they were devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over

524
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: the edge. And Wendy, to her credit on that well,

525
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: ostensibly would not do it.

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Speaker 1: Didn't that happen?

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Speaker 4: Joel Waldman, Nancy, This just shows you how demented the matriarch,

528
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Speaker 4: Donna Adelson is.

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Speaker 1: At the wedding.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, prior to all the acrimony, Dan Markel, as he

531
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: just mentioned, was becoming more and more involved in his Judaism.

532
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: He really wanted a kosher wedding.

533
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 5: And lo and.

534
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Speaker 4: Behold, at the wedding itself, they pulled all the kosher food.

535
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: It was something that was perplexing to the Markelle family.

536
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: They couldn't understand it. They had friends who are coming

537
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: who would only eat kosher food. And then as things

538
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: heated up, and as this to force got more than working.

539
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa Joe?

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00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: Wait, isn't this was this the big wedding with two

541
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Speaker 2: hundred guests in Boca Raton.

542
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: Yes, it is two hundred plus guests.

543
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: And it was in the New York Times. You know

544
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: how hard it is to get your wedding. I did

545
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: not try, Jack, You don't look at me that way.

546
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: I was lucky to get it in the making telegraph.

547
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: Oh and the headline was something like Grace Secretly Mary's

548
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: husband converts from that Baptist to methodist. Okay converts anyway,

549
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: Something to that effect was in some paper.

550
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Long story short. It was so big it was in

551
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Speaker 1: the New York Times.

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00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Lavish. Wait, this is the first I've heard that they

553
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: pulled the kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?

554
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: This is the Adelson family. They pulled the kosher food.

555
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: And all the guests there, you know, probably a good

556
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: portion would only eat kosher food. So there goes the

557
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: wedding meal for a lot of people.

558
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.

559
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Speaker 1: Nancy.

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00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at karenstark dot com.

561
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Go Karen, go, go go the.

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Speaker 14: Mother in law.

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Speaker 15: They have given them a wonderful education, but there are

564
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 15: no good values of morality that we're talking about. They

565
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 15: didn't seem to get that at all. What an outrageous story.

566
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Speaker 15: You have guests who can.

567
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Speaker 2: Eat, Karen, you do know there's been a murder, so

568
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: let's not get too hung up on the wedding.

569
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Speaker 1: Although I agree with you that, I mean, I know.

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Speaker 15: Nance, but you know what, the thing that really gets

571
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 15: to me the most beside the murder are the children.

572
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Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Back to the children, thank you.

573
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Speaker 2: Let's get the ship right and bask out of the

574
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: weeds and back on the road.

575
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: And since we're so much on the road and.

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Speaker 2: We're out of the wage, Joel Waldman, isn't it also

577
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: true that there's a third sibling. You've got Wendy, who

578
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: was married to the murder victim, and to this day

579
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: everyone insists she knew nothing about the plot by her

580
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: mother and brother.

581
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: To kill him.

582
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: You got Wendy, you got the brother, Charlie, who's convicted

583
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: of hiring a hitman to kill his brother in law.

584
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Speaker 1: And you've got a third sibling that was in love

585
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: with an Indian girl.

586
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Who was Hindu, and the parents, the Adelsons, threw such

587
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: a fit he broke off married someone that they would accept.

588
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: That marriage fell apart after a couple of years, and

589
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: he went back to his original first love and they're

590
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: together today.

591
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: Is that right, Joel Waltman?

592
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 4: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such

593
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 4: thick irony here. And I have to say this because

594
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor because my dear

595
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,

596
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 4: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren

597
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Dan Markel was

598
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 4: too Jewish. Dan Markel was too Jewish, but Rob Aideolson

599
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself.

600
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: So they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that

601
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 4: Rob Adelson, the now estranged son of the Adelson family,

602
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: marry a Jewish woman. He did for a short time,

603
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 4: he was not in love, and then later he reconnects

604
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: with this Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is

605
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 4: happily married and completely disconnected from the Adelson family.

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Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.

607
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is.

608
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: Joel is one hundred percent correct. They are not going

609
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 5: to win Parents of the Year. There was an article

610
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: that came out from a supporter of the Adolsons, which

611
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 5: was a little suspicious because of the timing. It looks

612
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: like perhaps it was from a paid supporter, someone who

613
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 5: said he's known forever and they would never do something

614
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: like this. They Nancy Us of the piece, hadn't spoken

615
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 5: to the Eelsons in twenty five plus years, hadn't seen

616
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 5: them in more than twenty five years, So they don't

617
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 5: have a lot of defenders right now, Nancy. And the

618
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 5: big question is Donna is guilty? What's the next shoot

619
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 5: of ball? Because I don't think prosecutors will be done there.

620
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: You mean, you believe prosecutors are going to go after

621
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: the father in law, Harvey Adelson, who was with Donna

622
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,

623
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why

624
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam? We're

625
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: not coming home?

626
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

627
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: And you know what that is.

628
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that

629
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: are under suspicion.

630
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.

631
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Speaker 2: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump, okay,

632
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: which I'll get to. But his phone, Harvey Aiedelson's phone,

633
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: took a lot of the phone calls.

634
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: Around the time of them. But you know what, let's

635
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: bring it home. Let's bring it home just a moment.

636
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut to the nine

637
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: to one one called listen to this.

638
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on with him?

639
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

640
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 7: The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's

641
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 7: got blood all over his head.

642
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: To Tamara Demko, she is a doctor, she is a JD.

643
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: She is an r N.

644
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: She's a Harvard Law school classmate with Danny Markel, she's

645
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: known since nineteen ninety seven. Was at work a few

646
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 2: blocks away when Danny was murdered. When I think of this,

647
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: I know he was brilliant. I know he's a Harvard lawgride.

648
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: I know he's a law professor, wrote all sorts of

649
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: very impressive works of legal acuity.

650
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: I know that.

651
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: But a dad so involved, so full of life, it's

652
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: very hard for me to take in that his own

653
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: in laws would have him killed.

654
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Speaker 6: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.

655
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 6: I actually grew up in the same town as the Adolphon's.

656
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 6: My family's home was a mile away from their home,

657
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 6: and I guess lectured for Wendy Adelson and her law

658
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 6: school classes. It was really something that I did not

659
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 6: want to consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in

660
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 6: and of itself.

661
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: Samara, of course you were not on Charlie Adelson's The Maestro,

662
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what

663
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: do you think.

664
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Speaker 6: I think that there was a very concerted effort and

665
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 6: a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's or planners.

666
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 6: I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice

667
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 6: in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that

668
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: justice will continue to happen and will continue to seek

669
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 6: it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable,

670
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 6: and that a callous disregard for life and the cold

671
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 6: calculation of the murder is not something that a self serving.

672
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 6: This kind of self serving, premeditated and heinous act should

673
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 6: never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone. And

674
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 6: that's the just kind of justice that I'm looking for.

675
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Tamara Demko joining us, did you know Donna Adelson the

676
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 2: mother in law.

677
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 6: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I

678
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 6: had also been to Wendy's home on Aqua Ridge. And yes,

679
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 6: I've met Donna several times. I have had drinks with her,

680
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 6: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with

681
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 6: the family as well.

682
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: Can you just tell me what she is like, what

683
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: Harvey Aidolson is like, what Charlie Aielson is like.

684
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: There are people, even when.

685
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Confronted with the evidence and it's pretty strong evidence, including

686
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: fifty six thousand dollars in cash put in the go

687
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: between account. Charlie Adelson's girlfriend who hired her, who arranged

688
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: for her common law husband and his friend to do

689
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: the hit. Her account gets all this money poured into it,

690
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: the hit men get money, and Charlie Adels said, hey,

691
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: Dave Erenberg and Joel Waldman, jump in if I've got

692
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: this wrong.

693
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: There are a lot of meticulous facts in this case.

694
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: But Charlie Adelson had a habit he whenever dealing with

695
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 2: cash would staple the money together.

696
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: I've never seen that in my life. And they would

697
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: get cash stapled together? Is that right, Dave Ereinberg?

698
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 5: That is correct. It's like a fingerprint, you know. That

699
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 5: was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And and

700
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 5: for the defense lawyer, they had a problem. How do

701
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 5: you explain that the killers had in their possess to

702
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: these stapled stacks of bills? How do you explain it? Well, Charlie,

703
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 5: I think they built his defense around that where he

704
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 5: tried to explain it by saying that he was the

705
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 5: victim of an extortion plot and that's why he had

706
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 5: to pay the killers or else they would kill him

707
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 5: and his family. Of course, it didn't make any sense.

708
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Then how come he's still alive?

709
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: Well, And that's and also thirn'd how extortion works where

710
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: the killers go and first murder your enemy, and then

711
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 5: they come back and they say, Okay, we've killed your enemy.

712
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 5: Now we're going to kill you and your family unless

713
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 5: you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just

714
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 5: say pay us or we're going to kill you in

715
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 5: your family. So none of this made any sense.

716
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielsen hated Dan Markel.

717
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely bast awkwards exactly.

718
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 5: It made no sense and the jurors didn't buy it either.

719
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow, demco back to you, I was asking.

720
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: You what were they like specifically Donna.

721
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 6: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was

722
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 6: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was

723
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 6: very proud of her children, very much involved with the

724
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they

725
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: seemed like a normal family. If you were to go

726
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 6: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up

727
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 6: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot

728
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 6: of time supporting Wendy there was nothing abnormal on the surface.

729
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 6: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across as

730
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly, and Charlie

731
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 6: was very lively. He was always on the go and

732
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 6: enjoyed partying quite a bit.

733
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Speaker 2: Dave Ahremberg joining US Palm Beach County State attorney and

734
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: friend of Danny Marcel.

735
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: He has been reading Charlie.

736
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking he was

737
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.

738
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: What does that mean.

739
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: Well, I'm from South Florida, and Joel and Tamrek would

740
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 5: say that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast life

741
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 5: with his ferrari and his fast women and his clubbing

742
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: lifestyle and drugs, and he was well known that he

743
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 5: was involved with steroids. And here was a guy who

744
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 5: was a nerd back in high school who then became

745
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 5: this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that he

746
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 5: could get away with murder. And that's the kind of

747
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 5: person who would commit this kind of crime because people said,

748
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 5: why do you think you could get away with it? Well,

749
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 5: when you're hopped up on steroids and you think that

750
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 5: you're smarter than everyone else. Yeah, you think you're above

751
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: the law and you wouldn't get caught. And it took

752
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 5: nine plus years for there to be justice for Charlie

753
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 5: and the FBI.

754
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I wasn't

755
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: fed for three years. I hate the federal government.

756
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Except the irs. I love you. Please don't look.

757
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: At me, Joel Waldman, could you please explain what I'm

758
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson would never have

759
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: been convicted are murdering his brother in law over visitation

760
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: with Grandma, and Donna Adelson would not be in a

761
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: jail seale up in her seventies trying to flee to

762
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: Vietnam right now if it hadn't been for wire taps

763
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: and shruptitious recordings. One of the most amazing ones that

764
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: actually worked, Joel Waldman. And I'm gonna hear from Robert

765
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist. I want to

766
00:44:54,120 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: circle back to doctor Gorniac what Danny marcel experienceerienced. I

767
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: guess when the neighbor came up, he was still rolling

768
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: his head around and moving, which in my mind means

769
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: he was suffering after he was shot Joel Waldman. As

770
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: it's called the Bump. If Adelson's had kept their traps shut,

771
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be in jail right now. Tell me about

772
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: the bump as it is called.

773
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: So the Bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So

774
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move

775
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved. So

776
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 4: it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a

777
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 4: tour for my podcast to the location where the bump happened,

778
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: and it happened to take place right in front of

779
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: where the Adolsons were living.

780
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: And it's an iconic, the iconic, the icon yeah, the

781
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: icon yes, yes.

782
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 4: And it's a very lavish building. I think units started

783
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: around two million dollars.

784
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the icon condo, the unit

785
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: started two million dollars.

786
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's

787
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 4: interesting this tour I did. I was curious to see

788
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's.

789
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: Howsh wait a minute, did you video that I did.

790
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 4: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.

791
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh so we can see I can't wait to say this, Okay,

792
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: go ahead.

793
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.

794
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 4: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.

795
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 4: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in

796
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 4: court admitted that he was making three and a half

797
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 4: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.

798
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: So that goes back to the James Bond question because

799
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: that is not really the salary of the periodontis. But

800
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 4: we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly

801
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: dealing steroids as well. But back to the bump. So

802
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: this bump happened right in front of this Icon building

803
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: in South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally

804
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: this is what's so sad. You can literally take a

805
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 4: stone from where the bump happened and throw it and

806
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 4: hit the school that the two Markelle children attended. And

807
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 4: Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren.

808
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: You mean, after they killed Danny Markel and move the

809
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: children down to South Florida, right, that's where they're going

810
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: to school.

811
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 4: And change their name from Markel to Adelson. So these

812
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: two young boys have are gonna have a lot a

813
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 4: lot and Nancy, I know, you know this, you know firsthand,

814
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 4: a lot of grieving to deal with and a lot

815
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: of you know, understanding about what happened to their family

816
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: as they become these young teens that they.

817
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: Are now not only changed their last name from Markel

818
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: back to Adelson, the maiden name of the mom, but

819
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: took away the oldest son's middle.

820
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: Name, which had been the Hebrew name of Dan Markel's grandma.

821
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: Right, so all trace of Dan Markel has been removed

822
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: from their life.

823
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 4: It's it's difficult to process, it really is. So this

824
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 4: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from

825
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: the school that they were attending at the time, and

826
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 4: ultimately when they got the you know that video and audio,

827
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 4: there's no doubt that that is, you know, a big

828
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 4: piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then there's one

829
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 4: other piece of audio from a restaurant, the so called

830
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: Dulce Vita tapes that have the middle woman Katie mcbanawa

831
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: and Charlie Adelson talking. So it's a combination of this.

832
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

833
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: Not only has the gruesome Granny gotten a cushy you

834
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: living arrangement closer to home. Donna Adelson has now filed

835
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: a notice she is appealing pre trial and evidentiary rulings,

836
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: as well as her guilty verdict and life sentence.

837
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: I warned you this was going to happen.

838
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: She's got nothing to do behind bars except fester and

839
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: think about how she can get from behind bars. I

840
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: guarantee you she's not thinking about her murder victim Dan Markel,

841
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: or how this has affected her grandchildren, never having their

842
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: father in their life ever again.

843
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: And this is why jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son,

844
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: doctor Robert Adelson, an ear nose and throat specialist. The

845
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: mother and son are estranged. He described his mother as

846
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 3: controlling and said she hated Dan Markel. Adelson, seventy five,

847
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 3: did not take the witness stand in her own defense.

848
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: After the guilty verdict was read, Adelson shouted, oh my God,

849
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: breaking down in tears. The judge admonished Adelson to control herself,

850
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: then ordered the jury out, giving Adelson a two minute

851
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: break to collect herself.

852
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: This is the trial of the monster in law, the

853
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder

854
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: her son in law. Because he would not let his

855
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: children move eight hours away to live.

856
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: Crime story.

857
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: I wonder what's great after trying to brind him for

858
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: a million dollars, threaten to indoctrinate the boys in another religion,

859
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: A plot unfold.

860
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten to all the wire taps. You

861
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: know what. You're going to totally wig when you hear this.

862
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: But let's take a step by step because it can

863
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: get complicated.

864
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 9: Listen, Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Aedelson, uses his girlfriend

865
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 9: Katherine mcbanawah, to arrange a murder for hire, using the

866
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 9: father of her two children, Sigfredo Garcia, and his friend

867
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 9: Louis Rivera, to kill Dan Markel. The end result that

868
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 9: Wendy Aedelson can move her two children too South Florida

869
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 9: near her family. Exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed?

870
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan markll.

871
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 14: Weight behind him and jumped out, and show.

872
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: How many times did Garcia shoot mister Mordell cole Blood

873
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: cold Blood.

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00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: Gig McKelvey joining US investigative journalist star of Pretty Lies

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Speaker 2: and Alibis podcast. Gigi's been on the case from the

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Speaker 2: very very beginning, Gig cold, what I mean? He just

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00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: rattled off, how many times you shoot him twice? He

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Speaker 2: doesn't care about the children, He doesn't care about Markel's family.

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Speaker 2: Devastated family twice. Okay, forget about that. Let me talk

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Speaker 2: to you about the plot. Let me understand. Wendy Adelson,

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00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: the mother of the children, the one that got the divorce.

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00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: The lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother. He decides to intervene, and

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Speaker 2: he gets his girlfriend, Katherine Magbwana to.

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Speaker 1: Arrange a hit. And the hit men are.

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Speaker 2: The father of her Sigfredo Garcia, and his friend Louise Rivera. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there is Catherine Magbonwa and the father of her children,

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Speaker 2: Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera.

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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me.

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Speaker 2: How that whole thing went down, Gigi. And isn't it

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Speaker 2: quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody around Wendy

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Speaker 2: Adelson is dropping like flies now her mother is on trial,

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Speaker 2: but she is unscathed. Neither person of interest or suspect.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how this whole thing went down with the

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Speaker 2: girlfriend with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend, Man, she must have been

895
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Speaker 2: a piece of work. Because when I think of hit man,

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Speaker 2: I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband.

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Speaker 1: To get some of his low life friends to pull

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Speaker 1: off a hit.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're not all as in priests and virgins, Gigi,

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Speaker 2: birds of.

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Speaker 1: A feather, you know the rest.

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Speaker 2: So he thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder and

903
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Speaker 2: guess what she does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened.

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Speaker 11: And it was pretty soon after they started seeing each

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Speaker 11: other at Halloween party where they're getting in their car

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Speaker 11: to leave, and he just asked her, Hey, do you

908
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Speaker 11: know anybody that would hurt somebody? And she said yes

909
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Speaker 11: and left it there. And it wasn't until later on

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Speaker 11: when the relocation was a big issue with Donna, and

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Speaker 11: we're going to hear that on these wiretap calls as

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Speaker 11: this trial progresses.

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Speaker 1: It was getting fever pitch.

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Speaker 11: I don't think Charlie cared where Wendy and the boys lived.

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Speaker 11: He's a playboy making millions of dollars every year, but

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Speaker 11: it was important to Donna. And as time went on

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Speaker 11: and Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the

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Speaker 11: location issue, he finally went to her and said, we

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Speaker 11: need to get this done. That is when she went

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Speaker 11: to her baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you

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Speaker 11: like to make some money to take care of somebody?

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Speaker 1: And he said yes.

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Speaker 11: After that he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who

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Speaker 11: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,

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Speaker 11: to come along as a ride along essentially, and that's

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Speaker 11: where the plot started.

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Speaker 2: So Charlie Adelson aka the Maestro, who is Wendy Adolson?

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Speaker 14: Ah?

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Speaker 1: There he is?

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Speaker 2: What a fine figure of a man, vanity plate maestro?

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Speaker 2: Okay whatever?

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Speaker 1: So how is he making so much money? Hand over fishgg?

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Speaker 1: How much money are we talking about? What did you

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Speaker 1: do for a living?

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Speaker 11: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey, the

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Speaker 11: father was only a dentist and owned the Adolson Institute,

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Speaker 11: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also

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Speaker 11: travel around South Florida and do day work at these

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Speaker 11: other dental offices and he got paid a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Also, the family preferred.

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Speaker 11: Cash payments as opposed to credit card payments. Charlie was

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Speaker 11: notorious for having a safe with stacks of one hundred

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Speaker 11: bills in there. But Charlie, yeah, he was driving around

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Speaker 11: supercars he had a boat throwing money out left and right, and.

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Speaker 1: He had to meet with a supercar.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I want is a man pulling up

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Speaker 2: in an expensive car. I mean a guy pulls up

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Speaker 2: in a Lamborghini.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, bye bye. You know what that means to me?

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Speaker 1: That means he's having a.

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Speaker 2: Midlife crisis, or he feels like he's got to have

952
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Speaker 2: a really expensive car to impress people, because obviously his

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Speaker 2: personality and intellect don't cut it. So not interested. My

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Speaker 2: husband drives a beat up SUV.

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Speaker 1: Beat up, totally beat up, and he doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: That's what I like about him. So this guy, what

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Speaker 2: kind of car is a supercar? Charlie Adelson? I believe

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Speaker 2: he had a Lamborghini. If I recall correctly.

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Speaker 1: It must have been why I said Lamborghini.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I could just see him driving up now the

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Speaker 2: strip in Miami in his Lamborghini Maestro on his vanity.

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Speaker 1: So who's doctor Bubner? B B N E R Who?

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Speaker 2: Dave Mac? Who's doctor Bubner? I noticed that you, Dave

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Speaker 2: Mac keep talking about doctor Bubner, and I'm wondering why

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Speaker 2: he just love to say Bubner?

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Speaker 1: Who is that?

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Speaker 9: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast

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Speaker 9: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor Bubner,

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Speaker 9: and then of course his patients are so happy with

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Speaker 9: the results that they in turn call him doctor Bubner and.

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Speaker 1: Uh, okay, great, what does he have to do with

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Speaker 1: this case?

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Speaker 9: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,

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Speaker 9: if you want to call it. That the prosecutors that

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Speaker 9: were investigating the case, they actually were able to high

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Speaker 9: end doctor Bubner between Katherine macbanawa and Charlie Adelson, and

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Speaker 9: that he did Katherine Macbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part

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Speaker 9: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.

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Speaker 2: Star's wait stop stop stop stop stop place play speak

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Speaker 2: no more?

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Speaker 1: Are you hearing this, fattus?

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Speaker 2: I assume, fattus, you've seen the series of moodies called

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Speaker 2: The Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay, Scott don Nott's and others

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Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, you need to see that. I shout

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Speaker 2: it to the children. But I think the title says

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Speaker 2: it all. So the go between Katherine mcbanoa, who set

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Speaker 2: up the hit for Charlie Adelson for his mother, or

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Speaker 2: the monster in law got paid with a.

989
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: Breast lift implants.

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 2: I'm so happy right now because that's not hard to trace, right,

991
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Speaker 2: he paid her with knee bress a and me.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Nancy.

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 10: But the key there is Charlie paid her. Charlie paid her,

994
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 10: not not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the bill for

995
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Speaker 10: this new press. And so what we're talking about is

996
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 10: is certainly this uh you know, copt of folks who are.

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00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: Conspiring with one another.

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Speaker 10: And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,

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Speaker 10: is just kind of a protective grandma, protective.

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Speaker 2: Mother tried the million dollar bribe. Did you not hear

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00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: you need to turn up your hearing aids?

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00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Did you not hear? GJ.

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Speaker 2: McKelvey just say, Charlie Aielson didn't give a flying fig

1004
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: where those boys lived. He only did it because his

1005
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Speaker 2: mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care.

1006
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Speaker 2: He didn't have a dog in that fight and no

1007
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Speaker 2: skin in the game. He did it because his mother

1008
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Speaker 2: would not leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys.

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Speaker 2: But to say that that pause this murder for higher

1010
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Speaker 2: plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the

1011
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Speaker 2: evidence has supported yet. And so you know, I just

1012
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Speaker 2: think that's a bit of a stretch.

1013
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: The prosecutor.

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Speaker 10: They've already got their pound of flesh with the four

1015
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Speaker 10: other convictions, and in defense of saying leave.

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Speaker 1: This okay, wait a.

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00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: Minute, you're talking about the conviction of the brother, the playboy,

1018
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Speaker 2: Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend with the breastlift, Katherine

1019
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: may Banoi, the hit man, and his gang cohort.

1020
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Speaker 1: Those four have been convicted.

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Speaker 2: None of them care about where the boys live. The

1022
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Speaker 2: only one that cares is Donna eight oldson. Catherine mcbanoi

1023
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: testifies under oath about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a

1024
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Speaker 2: link without Mommy saying okay, you can go.

1025
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: So this was like a regular part of the way

1026
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Speaker 1: this worked.

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Speaker 9: Whenever this conversation came out, he yes, we consult his

1028
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Speaker 9: mother and come back.

1029
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Speaker 14: And speak to you, and Jack is an.

1030
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Speaker 9: Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson.

1031
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 9: The agent hands Donna Adelson a press release of Markel's murder,

1032
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Speaker 9: asks Adelson for five thousand dollars, and provides a phone number.

1033
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Speaker 9: Investigators intercepted called Donna Adelson makes to Charlie, asking him

1034
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 9: to meet with her. About paperwork hand delivered to her

1035
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 9: outside her condo. Charlie asks if it involves him, and

1036
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Speaker 9: Donna says probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't

1037
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 9: want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to

1038
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 9: intercept calls. This time Charlie tells mom not to talk

1039
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 9: about things in the apartment. Adelson asked his mother what

1040
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 9: the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably

1041
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 9: about five. Charlie asks if they ask for five thousand dollars.

1042
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 9: Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adlson calls Katherine mag Banawa and

1043
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 9: explains someone approached his mother regarding her son and his

1044
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 9: ex girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adolson saying

1045
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Speaker 9: to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't know these guys. He says,

1046
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 9: paying someone off is not an admission of guilt. Conversations

1047
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 9: continue between Charlie Aedelson, Donna Adelson, Katherine Macbanawa, and see

1048
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 9: Fredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.

1049
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: You know Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wire tab

1050
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 2: hey or.

1051
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: An undercover agent.

1052
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, did you hear that an undercover agent approaches.

1053
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: Adolson on the street.

1054
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Speaker 2: He's got a press release or an article about Markel's

1055
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: murder and says, hey, you owe me five thousand dollars.

1056
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: I have info on you and your son.

1057
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: What does she do? John? Call police? She calls her

1058
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: son and goes, don't talk on the phone and.

1059
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: Makes us some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe

1060
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: of five thousand.

1061
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: Dollars she has just been put to her, and they go.

1062
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Speaker 2: Don't when somebody says don't talk on the phone, you

1063
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Speaker 2: know it's something bad, or don't put it in writing,

1064
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Speaker 2: you don't want to leave a trail, And that's what

1065
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Speaker 2: she says.

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Speaker 10: Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds a little

1067
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Speaker 10: bit like entrapman. It sounds a little bit like government overreach.

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Speaker 10: It sounds a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved

1069
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Speaker 10: in some misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in

1070
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Speaker 10: somebody who did not have any direct involvement.

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Speaker 1: Look, the mother may have known.

1072
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Speaker 10: That Charlie Adamson did what he did and may have

1073
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Speaker 10: wanted to talk with him about that.

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Speaker 1: None of that is criminal.

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Speaker 10: And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both

1076
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Speaker 10: of us, Well, she's the one who received the document

1077
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Speaker 10: and received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter, and

1078
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Speaker 10: so hey, look, you know, calling your son to talk

1079
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Speaker 10: about it.

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Speaker 1: Is not crime.

1081
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Speaker 2: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman

1082
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Speaker 2: come out, you know.

1083
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Speaker 1: Let's school Eric Fattis.

1084
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Speaker 2: If it's possible Bateman, former sheriff, author, homicide undercover.

1085
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Speaker 1: You name it Bateman. When I hear the.

1086
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Speaker 2: Words don't talk on the phone or don't talk in

1087
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Speaker 2: the apartment, why not talk in your apartment?

1088
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Speaker 1: If some guy I don't know literally bump sent to

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Speaker 1: me on the.

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Speaker 2: Street and tries to extract five grand from me, I'm

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01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: calling police.

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01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: But neither one of them call police. In fact, they

1093
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: don't talk on the phone all that started.

1094
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 8: Let me talk about that for one second.

1095
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: I've been in those positions.

1096
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 8: I have been the undercover guy.

1097
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: I have been the hit.

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01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 8: Guy for a relationship that went bad. And I was

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 8: the guy on the phone during the undercover call in

1100
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 8: this case with a wife. And it is so funny

1101
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 8: and being undercovered narcotics detector for a long time and

1102
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 8: got into this role as a hit man.

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01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: People always talk.

1104
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 8: On the phone. They try to talk in code, and

1105
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 8: I was talking in code to this one particular lady.

1106
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 8: It's just so funny. They are not as diabolical with

1107
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 8: their planning of a murder like people think they should be.

1108
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 8: I had Maryland's first life without parole case ever happened,

1109
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 8: and it was a contract murder involving a wife and

1110
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 8: a husband. Totally different case where I was the undercover hitman.

1111
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 8: But again, it's just so funny how just things just

1112
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 8: crumple down. And the worst thing that you can have

1113
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 8: in any kind of crime is another person. And if

1114
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 8: there's another person, which in this case there are several,

1115
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 8: they'll altern on each other, which obviously in this case

1116
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 8: they have what I call in this case, and I

1117
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 8: don't know if I've coined this I it's my own

1118
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 8: thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb

1119
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 8: that was dropped on the husband before he went for

1120
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 8: the speaking engagement. And then these guys here, the Garcia

1121
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 8: and Rivera. I mean, come on, you think there's no

1122
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 8: ring cameras across the street or at the front of

1123
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 8: the house. I mean, come on, it's just just it's

1124
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 8: so And now.

1125
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: It culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift.

1126
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,479
Speaker 1: As payment for setting up the hit, to.

1127
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: The son, the brother Charlie Adelson, to the mother Donna Adelson.

1128
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: Now the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all

1129
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: of this, according to prosecutors, was for her.

1130
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: She says she knew nothing of it.

1131
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this

1132
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: close to getting out of the country and going to

1133
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 2: a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically the Nam caught at the airport.

1134
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: Listen, this is a sweetheart.

1135
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 14: Let's go just get away, just get away somewhere so

1136
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 14: we could have it.

1137
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: Times to think.

1138
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 10: Okay, So your testimony is that you weren't trying to

1139
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 10: go to Vietnam because you wouldn't be able to be

1140
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 10: extradited from there.

1141
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 14: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been

1142
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 14: to Vietnam before with friends, we were on vacation, and

1143
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 14: it really was like a place of peace. And so

1144
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 14: he said, if we go to an noun extradition country,

1145
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 14: then if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to

1146
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 14: arrest you or maybe whatever both he said, then he said,

1147
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 14: we won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months

1148
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 14: to go back. We could buy a ticket and we

1149
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 14: could go home. And my understanding was that I could

1150
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 14: go home and I could turn myself in if that's

1151
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 14: what they wanted.

1152
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it typically does not work.

1153
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: You go to a non extradition country and then when

1154
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: the cops want to arrest you just come home. Okay.

1155
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: That is what we call in the law flight as

1156
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 2: evidence of guilt. You leave the scene of the crime,

1157
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: or you leave before you can get caught. Everyone is

1158
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 2: wondering what else was heard on those tapped phone calls

1159
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: to gg McKelvey. We have been listening to Ellie on

1160
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 2: the stand now going on two days.

1161
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: What did they say?

1162
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 11: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially

1163
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 11: about Wendy, and I think what the prosecution was trying

1164
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 11: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships

1165
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 11: and jobs that Wendy had chosen, and she was having

1166
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 11: Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk

1167
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 11: to your sister, talker out of this, you need to

1168
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 11: talk her into this. So I think the first couple

1169
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 11: of calls that's what that was for. Then we get

1170
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 11: into those bump calls that we've been talking about, where

1171
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 11: there's panic.

1172
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, Donna's not wanting to say much.

1173
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 11: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls. But it's

1174
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 11: what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which,

1175
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 11: ex Girlfriend, what is five thousand dollars? Why is this

1176
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 11: random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street?

1177
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: What is going on?

1178
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 11: No police called nothing at all except that phone call

1179
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 11: right after that, Charlie, we need to have dinner. This

1180
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 11: involves the two of us. The TV was about five

1181
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 11: and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps,

1182
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 11: TV is code for murder.

1183
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 9: Jeffery Lecash was dating Wendy Aedelson around the time of

1184
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 9: Dan's murder and says he felt like he was being

1185
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 9: framed as the possible killer. Lacas says Wendy pushed for

1186
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 9: details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,

1187
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 9: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the

1188
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 9: killers rented a are similar in color and style to

1189
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 9: La Cass gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same

1190
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 9: direction as La Cass as they head out of town.

1191
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 9: He also notes he had plans to travel that route

1192
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 9: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman

1193
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 9: arrived in Tallahassee. During their first attempt to kill Markel.

1194
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 9: JJ mccalveny, joining US investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend.

1195
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: Thought her family, including her, was trying to set him

1196
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 2: up to take the fall for the murder.

1197
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 11: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.

1198
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 11: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.

1199
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 11: She had just got back from a ten weeks day

1200
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 11: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,

1201
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 11: you know, I really just want some days alone. And

1202
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 11: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.

1203
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 11: They met up one last time and as they're going

1204
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 11: to their car, she turns and asks him about his

1205
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 11: that was happening the next day, Hey, what would cause

1206
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 11: you not to go on your trip? Which way are

1207
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 11: you going? And he thought it was odd, and so

1208
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 11: he goes on about his day and come to find

1209
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 11: out both times, the first attempt that happened in June,

1210
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 11: that law enforcement did not know about, in fact, until

1211
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 11: Luis Rivera told them in his profer they were int

1212
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 11: a car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't

1213
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 11: think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate

1214
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 11: trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town,

1215
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 11: that's when jeff lacass scheduled to go out. He would

1216
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 11: have taken a route that would have went very near

1217
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 11: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two

1218
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 11: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.

1219
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 11: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because

1220
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 11: it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted

1221
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 11: the adlesim way of thinking about Dan at the time

1222
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:56,799
Speaker 11: he was with Wendy.

1223
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: That's what you do.

1224
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 11: Sometimes when you're in relationships. So it could have been

1225
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 11: the perfect storm for him. But thank goodness, he was

1226
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 11: able to prove more.

1227
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: Isn't there other than brainwashing?

1228
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 2: The boyfriend Dave mac I'm interested, I'm curious about a conversation.

1229
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 2: According to the boyfriend, Jeffrey Lacasse. He says, Wendy Adelson,

1230
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 2: the mom of the boys, Dan Markel's wife that wanted

1231
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 2: the divorce and moved the boys away. Wendy Adelson, according

1232
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim. Can I

1233
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother looked into

1234
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: all options possible to take care of the Danny Markel problem,

1235
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 2: including hiring a hitman, and it would cost about fifteen

1236
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Okay. Then there was a question is this

1237
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: some kind of joke Charlie made? And the boyfriend says,

1238
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: this was no joke.

1239
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 9: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke

1240
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 9: this all out Georgia Kaplman when the prosecutors actually was

1241
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 9: able to bring this out of him, and she even

1242
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 9: went back to, what was this a joke? Kind of

1243
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 9: like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorce

1244
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 9: president kind of thing as a joke, and he was like, no,

1245
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 9: this is not a joke, because think about it in context, Nancy,

1246
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 9: You've got Wendy Adels and volunteering that Charlie came up

1247
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 9: with a plan and it would cost fifteen grand. That's

1248
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 9: beyond joking.

1249
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: That's not an off handed comment.

1250
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 9: That is a very firm I got to get this

1251
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 9: off my chest kind of thing.

1252
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: And she did, you know what, And I don't care

1253
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: how angry I get at my husband. If someone said, hey,

1254
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a TV as a divorce present,

1255
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: it's cheaper than a hit man, they would get a

1256
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 2: total knuckles sandwich. Okay, But according to what the boyfriend

1257
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: says this was no Joe. And let me remind everyone,

1258
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: Wendy Adelson has not been charged. She is not a

1259
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 2: person of interest in the murder grus. Granny Donna Adelson

1260
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: will not go away. In the last day, She's gotten

1261
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: a transfer to a Miami Dade see I correctional institution

1262
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 2: closer to home. Not only that, she vows to appeal

1263
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 2: evidentiary hearings, pre trial motions and her guilty verdict and

1264
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: her life sentence. Woman go away, go think about Dan Markel.

1265
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend.