WEBVTT - Andy and Garrett Go to Augusta National

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a bride Egg

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<v Speaker 2>Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egg, Frida Egg,

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<v Speaker 2>brigg Frida Egg, Bride Egg Lie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm about ready to run off the.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Frida Egg Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison, and

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<v Speaker 2>today we are debriefing our own Andy Johnson's media lottery

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<v Speaker 2>round at Augusta National. Here to discuss that with me

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<v Speaker 2>is Jeff shackle No, it's Andy himself. Andy. It's now

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days since you played Augusta. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>snapped back to reality at this point? Have you had

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of humbling experiences that have brought you back

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<v Speaker 2>down to a sort of regular level.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that would have been the case if

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<v Speaker 3>I had returned immediately to my my wife and daughter

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<v Speaker 3>and been you know, just as anytime you're gone for

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<v Speaker 3>a while, as you and Shane talked about on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of you kind of assume assume heavy duties

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<v Speaker 3>right away on the home front. And I have yet

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<v Speaker 3>to return, so I'm still.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of living. I'm still buzzing.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the park, a new Gil Hanson design here

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<v Speaker 3>in West Palm Beach, which was really cool. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to about that at a future date, but

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<v Speaker 3>like definitely saw some stuff out there that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you maybe maybe the first green there had a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of Augusta National flare to it, So it is, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still kind of buzzing on it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The amazing thing I think, like, I obviously I never

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<v Speaker 3>expected to be playing Augusta National. You know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>said at twenty seven year old me would pretty much

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<v Speaker 3>the dream of playing Augusta Nashville was gone. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>getting getting to play it was amazing. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that I'm shocked by is like how many

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<v Speaker 3>people from my my life have reached out about about

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<v Speaker 3>like wanting to talk about the round. And it just

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<v Speaker 3>shows like how much of a special place Augusta National holds.

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<v Speaker 3>And everybody's like, you know, golf life, right, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>uh And I think, you know, for me being a

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<v Speaker 3>kid that like grew up watching the Masters and and

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<v Speaker 3>grew up going to the putting green at my local

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<v Speaker 3>Muni and hitting putts to win the Masters and different

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<v Speaker 3>things like it's it's super understandable why it is. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a golf it is a golf course in a tournament.

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<v Speaker 3>That really is one of the big things that makes

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<v Speaker 3>people love the sport more, you know. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's the thing that the couple of days after I've

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<v Speaker 3>kind of picked up on just from people reaching out

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<v Speaker 3>spent it's spent kind of nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Ay.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, so many text messages and phone calls. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>To hear you know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I wrote twice seven hundred words that people

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<v Speaker 3>still have more questions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, maybe we can get to some of

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<v Speaker 2>those questions in this episode. You know, you can bring

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<v Speaker 2>up stuff that people have asked you. I'll bring in

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<v Speaker 2>some stuff from Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I wanted to talk to you. It was your

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<v Speaker 3>first time there. I think that we're burying the lead here.

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<v Speaker 4>This is you.

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<v Speaker 3>This is your first time seeing it in person. I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to hear about.

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<v Speaker 2>You, you know, I try to keep it under wraps

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit that I had not been to Augusta

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<v Speaker 2>National before because it's just one of those things that

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<v Speaker 2>gave me ongoing imposter syndrome. You know, I had studied

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<v Speaker 2>the course so much, but never actually set foot on

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<v Speaker 2>the property. I had read everything I could about it,

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<v Speaker 2>watched every Masters for a few decades, right just as

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<v Speaker 2>you have, and done as much as I could to

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<v Speaker 2>learn about the course without actually going there. So I

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<v Speaker 2>got to cover the Augusta National Women's Amateur a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago, and for the first time actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have Augusta National grass under my feet and go walk

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<v Speaker 2>the golf course, and so that was an amazing privilege,

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<v Speaker 2>really fun, enlightening. And so I can talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about that, but you know, people really want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear about your round, and I can kind of chip

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<v Speaker 2>in my own observations here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get into to something that I don't really

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<v Speaker 3>like talking about my golf round.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't focus too much on your golf shots themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>We can talk about the course. We're in a safe

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<v Speaker 2>space here the Friday Podcast. I mean, I think people

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<v Speaker 2>expect you to talk about the architecture as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>your birdies and bogies.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your like if you had one big takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>What would be like one big takeaway from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously studying, watching and then being there.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you can go hills.

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<v Speaker 2>This is no, no, no, I mean well because I

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<v Speaker 2>expected that, right everybody says the hills are bigger in

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<v Speaker 2>person than they are on TV. That's become a cliche.

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<v Speaker 2>It's become a joke at this point, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean it's insane, though it is, it is

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<v Speaker 4>really impressive. That was something for me, well, being out

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<v Speaker 4>there when no people were around.

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking at two and I'm like, that looks

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<v Speaker 3>like a fricking ski run right down the hill and

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<v Speaker 3>ten and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then how amazingly uphill eighteen is. But the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>people have heard other people say these things before, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that they've lost impact. So saying just

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<v Speaker 2>saying like, no, really the hills are really big, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure is going to convince people any further. One

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I did pick up on related to the

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<v Speaker 2>topography was how many shots have obscured sightlines. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that's something that people maybe don't appreciate enough because

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<v Speaker 2>the land is so dramatic. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily blind shots, but partially blind shots. There are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of t shots where if you hit the

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<v Speaker 2>ideal landing zone, you don't see your ball come to

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<v Speaker 2>rest and that's something that is the result of the topography.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't build a course on land that dramatic and

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<v Speaker 2>have every shot be kind of perfectly visible from beginning

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<v Speaker 2>to end. Really, the eighth hole is the only tea

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<v Speaker 2>shot on the entire course where you can completely see

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<v Speaker 2>your tea shot come to rest. Otherwise, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a situation on every hole where you can kind of

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<v Speaker 2>be blind as to where your ball ends up. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, that's that's a little thing about the

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<v Speaker 2>land that really struck me. But you asked for a

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<v Speaker 2>big takeaway, I really don't have one. I just have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of details, right. That's the big thing for

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<v Speaker 2>me is that I you know little details about each hole,

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<v Speaker 2>about each green that I didn't really appreciate until I.

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<v Speaker 3>Saw them, to be completely honest, I think like your

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<v Speaker 3>takeaway about the obscured site lines off the tee that

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<v Speaker 3>makes a huge impact on.

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<v Speaker 4>The T shot.

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<v Speaker 3>I like, I was shocked at how hard and uncomfort

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<v Speaker 3>the T shots are. Yeah, like I hit a fade

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<v Speaker 3>so that like that doesn't go well there. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you think about the T shots like two, five, seven,

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<v Speaker 3>even you kind of want to draw the ball in

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<v Speaker 3>seven because of the slope of the fairway and it's narrow,

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<v Speaker 3>like you don't have a lot of space.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine ten.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the t shots are uncomfortable in some way

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<v Speaker 2>or another. They really are.

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<v Speaker 4>But all those are draw holes.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing about it is the obscurity of the

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<v Speaker 3>sight lines also makes it because there are these big

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<v Speaker 3>cascading slopes and it makes you feel like you need

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<v Speaker 3>to do more than you actually do need to do. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>but like sometimes like you feel like you're hitting especially

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<v Speaker 3>it was pretty gusty wind the day I played, and

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<v Speaker 3>the wind out there it's nuts. It's just you hear

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<v Speaker 3>the South of telcasts and I like, I know people

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<v Speaker 3>give tell broadcasters a lot of shit about talking about things,

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<v Speaker 3>but the wind out there is crazy. Like you you

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<v Speaker 3>stand one place and it feels one way, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a different place and you're like, well, it

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<v Speaker 3>was down on two. It can't be, you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>can't be a like down on four.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, you get.

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<v Speaker 3>Into these little tunnels and you're it's like, no, it

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<v Speaker 3>actually might be. And then you hit shots and it

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<v Speaker 3>all leads to this like obscured sight lines.

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<v Speaker 4>The wind thing.

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<v Speaker 3>What it does is it creates doubt and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>thing out there that you cannot have, Like uncommitted swings

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<v Speaker 3>are just like the death. Like I was like very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote this in the article, but I it's been

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<v Speaker 3>a long time since I played a tournament, like probably

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<v Speaker 3>like four or five years since I played my last

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<v Speaker 3>tournament round, and I kind of felt like I felt

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<v Speaker 3>it would feel on like the first hole of a tournament,

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<v Speaker 3>like a say like a state qualifier, USGA qualifier, where

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<v Speaker 3>you have this like nervous energy about you, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the thing about it, and this is what

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<v Speaker 3>happens to so many inexperienced tournament players, Like it's always

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<v Speaker 3>like I always found a humorous like people like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>he's the best player at this club, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>go out and shoot eighty and every qualifier, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it's different golf than club golf, right. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's the thing out there that I noticed is like

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<v Speaker 3>it puts you on tilt because of like you really

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<v Speaker 3>want to play well, Like it's around you want to

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<v Speaker 3>play well, and you put a little bit more pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on yourself to play well, but you're also nervous because

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<v Speaker 3>of the place, the reputation of the place and all

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<v Speaker 3>the golf shots that you've watched out there over the years, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's impossible to not be nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I think out it's sort of like what happened to

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon Sargent at the Masters. All this type leading in.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy has unbelievable skills, he's so long's his practice

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<v Speaker 2>rounds have been unbelievable. He gets in the tournament and

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<v Speaker 2>things go sideways really really quickly, And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that this type of course does. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if there's a type of course that Augusta National

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<v Speaker 2>and bodies, but there are just a lot of variables

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<v Speaker 2>out there. It's not one of these courses where you

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<v Speaker 2>can ever get into a groove and feel like you're

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<v Speaker 2>hitting driving range shots. It's just one where when you're

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<v Speaker 2>hitting a shot, and I would I'm asking for confirmation

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<v Speaker 2>here because I haven't actually hit shots there. When you're

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<v Speaker 2>hitting a shot, it just seems like you have so

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<v Speaker 2>many different variables to go through and you end up

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on a couple and forgetting about one or two.

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<v Speaker 2>And those one or two variables that you forget, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's the wind or the lie that you have or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>those end up coming back to bite you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the only it's the only time you get like

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<v Speaker 3>relief is on part threes when.

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<v Speaker 4>You're on flat tea ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like they're actually kind of like your sanctuary where

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<v Speaker 3>you get to hit the driving range shot, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and those happen to be they're tough, like they aren't easy,

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<v Speaker 3>Like twelve is twelve you can't figure out the wind's

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<v Speaker 3>that's totally a thing. But yeah, you know, like a

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<v Speaker 3>couple examples of that, right, and these are things that

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<v Speaker 3>you just don't like you can't pick up even watching,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think the other thing to preface this with

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<v Speaker 3>is like I've gone the last two years as media,

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<v Speaker 3>I've walked the course probably twenty plus times. I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>familiar with the golf course, but you don't really know.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we got a mailbag question about this in Club

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<v Speaker 3>TFE our membership that I did a mailbag for is like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what are the advantages disadvantages of walking versus

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<v Speaker 3>playing when you're kind of like seeing a golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things I said is like when

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<v Speaker 3>you walk a golf course, one of the tough things

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<v Speaker 3>is you can't feel the shots, like you don't feel

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<v Speaker 3>what it's like to stand on the tee and like

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<v Speaker 3>you're addressed to the ball looking out and the stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to go through your mind. Yes, and likewise,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's I think that's the big thing. The difference

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<v Speaker 3>between walking Augusta National twenty times and playing it is

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<v Speaker 3>that when you're playing it, you get these weird feels

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<v Speaker 3>and you you just like that's that's the stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>I took away the most. You know, example, the second hole,

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<v Speaker 3>I was playing the members teas. I played person a

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<v Speaker 3>person driver and uh in seventies blades. So like one

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<v Speaker 3>of the nice things with that is I I can

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<v Speaker 3>hit the ball pretty far. Is that it brought a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of hazards back into play. It didn't bring all

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<v Speaker 3>of them into play that the pros content with with

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<v Speaker 3>the with the back teas, it made some T shots harder,

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<v Speaker 3>Like five, I found it to be a really hard

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<v Speaker 3>T shot for me from the Members ta's because like

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<v Speaker 3>I had like a a diagonal right hazard with those trees.

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<v Speaker 3>But like the second hole, for example, I hit it

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<v Speaker 3>over the bunker. I think that bunker shouldn't be there.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't an original bunker, and I've always said that

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<v Speaker 3>it stops balls from running into the pine straw on

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<v Speaker 3>the right. My ball ran into the pine straw on

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<v Speaker 3>the right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is where John Rum was in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the final round actually, because he carried the bunker and

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of ran down there.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not it's like a it's a cool place.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like if it was just fair way grass, it

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<v Speaker 3>would be like a delightful place to hit a shot from.

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<v Speaker 3>I would I would really enjoy hitting a shot from

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<v Speaker 3>there because you've got like you kind of have this way.

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<v Speaker 3>You get a really nice angle to swing it into

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<v Speaker 3>that back right pin, you know, with the contour. But

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<v Speaker 3>I'm standing over the shot and the ball's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>five or six inches below my feet, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it's on a downslope and I was like standing

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<v Speaker 3>over the shot and I'm like, I'm really worried about

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<v Speaker 3>just hitting the ball right now because like if my

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<v Speaker 3>foot slips, like I might shank this because like you're

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like you're on this lie. And then it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I hit a pretty good shot, but like,

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<v Speaker 3>what what didn't happen? Why I didn't hit it perfectly

0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.840
<v Speaker 3>flushed and hit a great shot was like I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>engage my lower body the right way like so in

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<v Speaker 3>that case, like one of the things I was so uncomfortable,

0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.839
<v Speaker 3>I forgot to move the right way right and when

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<v Speaker 3>you so, I caught.

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<v Speaker 4>It just a little thin. It tailed a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>on the right.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a left to right wind there a down

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<v Speaker 3>left to right wind, and it got in the wind.

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<v Speaker 4>A little because it just wasn't hit as crisp as

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<v Speaker 4>it should.

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<v Speaker 3>Have been, and it ends up in the bunker, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And then from that bunker, it's not an easy shot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's deep, you know, the back right pin, you're in

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<v Speaker 3>the right bunker, Like you have no green to work with.

0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.640
<v Speaker 3>I try to use the slope, hit a little too hard,

0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:42.720
<v Speaker 3>end up on the back edge of the green, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have that downhill putt and it's like you can't

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<v Speaker 3>keep that putt, Like a great putt is six feet away.

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<v Speaker 4>So then all of a sudden you got six.

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<v Speaker 3>So I three putt, I make a six, and I

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<v Speaker 3>had two hundred and twenty yards in you know, And

0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.960
<v Speaker 3>it's just that's the way that golf course works. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just like, you know, you get out of position and

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't feel like you did anything that wrong, but

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<v Speaker 3>it gets you and it's like funny because like you

0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.640
<v Speaker 3>think about Augusta National As, it's like fun court, Like

0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.080
<v Speaker 3>there's space right, you can make a lot of birdies.

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<v Speaker 3>It is like if you hit great shots, you you

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<v Speaker 3>will make birdies out there. But the thing about it

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<v Speaker 3>is it's really freaking hard if you if you just

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<v Speaker 3>get a little out of position. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing. It's like it's super fun. It's super fun

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<v Speaker 3>to play. But one of my big takeaways is like, god,

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<v Speaker 3>it's freaking hard. And obviously I played in the Sunday

0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Masters Pins and with the way the weather was, the

0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.680
<v Speaker 3>course had firmed up from Sunday because it was really cool,

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<v Speaker 3>crisp and windy. So like I you know, like I

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<v Speaker 3>hit a wedgend of three. I couldn't believe I barely

0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.880
<v Speaker 3>made a ball mark. Like it was like you know,

0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.360
<v Speaker 3>it's got it got kind of firm, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>that's that you just have to be so precise. So

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<v Speaker 3>like that's the case on on two and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>I hope, but this isn't a long winded But then

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<v Speaker 3>the one I wrote about in the article is ten

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<v Speaker 3>so ten I had a really good three wood down

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<v Speaker 3>there and I had I think it was one ninety

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<v Speaker 3>uh and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you on the right side or the left side.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a there's a ridge in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the fairway. I don't know if you've seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's sort of a plateau.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And and that used to be a really good place

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<v Speaker 2>to approach where the green was to the right of

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<v Speaker 2>the famous bunker. Right, it's kind of you're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>on on on high ground there. And the trick was

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<v Speaker 2>on the old hole that if your ball kicked down

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<v Speaker 2>to the left, then you had a really hard shot

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<v Speaker 2>over that bunker. But if you managed to keep it

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<v Speaker 2>up to the right, you you know, you could go

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<v Speaker 2>straight into the green.

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<v Speaker 3>But now it's the opposite, yeah, exactly. So my ball

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<v Speaker 3>ended up like right on the edge of the ridge.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had a really severe side hill. Yes, So

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<v Speaker 3>it was like not on the top on the right side,

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't on the left side.

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<v Speaker 4>It was kind of in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was right by that tree that a few

0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.639
<v Speaker 3>people got caught behind Morikawa and Kopka, and maybe the

0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.000
<v Speaker 3>third round it was they got caught back there.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe this maybe the final round. I can't remember.

0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.399
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of all running together the way the tournament worked.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyways, so I'm there. So I got one ninety.

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<v Speaker 3>It's downhill, it's downwind, and I hit what what would

0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.040
<v Speaker 3>be like a modern six iron. I think maybe it

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<v Speaker 3>might have been two hundred. I'm not sure. I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't remember exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had the side hill downhill lie, very severe

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<v Speaker 3>sidehill lie, downhill lie.

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<v Speaker 4>You know I got. I got comfortable over the shot.

0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:41.719
<v Speaker 4>I was ready to hit it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, one of the things with that lie, with

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<v Speaker 3>the down with a downhill lie, my tendency is to

0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.400
<v Speaker 3>miss right. It kind of squeezes out right and fades

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<v Speaker 3>on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you might hit it thin sort of healing.

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<v Speaker 3>So that the tendency now of the side lie is

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<v Speaker 3>the for the ball to go left right. So you're

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about both of these things, right, And I'm choking

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<v Speaker 3>up to make sure I hit it solid because I

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<v Speaker 3>like to choke up when I'm on a side hill

0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 3>and take a little extra club because I'm choking up

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<v Speaker 3>four inches. So anyways, I hit the shot and like

0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.879
<v Speaker 3>the last thing I thought versus two, like my body

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.280
<v Speaker 3>didn't move right when you get this awkward lie. My

0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.000
<v Speaker 3>body didn't move and it's an easy thing to forget.

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<v Speaker 4>To do right.

0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.720
<v Speaker 3>And when you have these lies, if your body doesn't move,

0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.919
<v Speaker 3>it extent accentuates your miss is way more than a

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<v Speaker 3>flat lie. Like you can get away with not having

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<v Speaker 3>great body movement from a flat lie.

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<v Speaker 4>When it's an uneven lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually if your body doesn't move right, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a pretty poor shot. So anyways, I really focus

0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.439
<v Speaker 3>on that and I just flushed it like hit it perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>It was one of the best iron shots I hit

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<v Speaker 3>of the day. And I just one of the things

0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I didn't consider enough was the wind. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>just it wasn't in my thought process as I got

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<v Speaker 3>up to the shot. And that's the tough thing is

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.679
<v Speaker 3>that you have the physical nature of the golf course

0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.479
<v Speaker 3>where you know, i'mlike, by like the eighth hole, I

0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.080
<v Speaker 3>was kind of like, wow, this place is a beast

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.719
<v Speaker 3>walking wise, and I know that from walking around it,

0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.240
<v Speaker 3>but it's just like you know, like you really feel

0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.600
<v Speaker 3>it in your body. But then on the you know

0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.240
<v Speaker 3>the other part of it is it will mentally exhaust

0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.200
<v Speaker 3>you as well because of how engaged and how many

0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.800
<v Speaker 3>things that you have to consider on every shot that

0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.680
<v Speaker 3>that shot landed pin high five feet left of the flag.

0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:43.040
<v Speaker 3>It was a great iron, bounces over the green, and

0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, I hit a great pitch, but I still

0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.320
<v Speaker 3>had eight feet and it's just like, you know, you

0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.080
<v Speaker 3>hit that shot, and it's like, Wow, I hit a

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.600
<v Speaker 3>great drive, a great second shot, and I'm and I'm

0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.440
<v Speaker 3>walking up and it's like, well, I'm probably going to

0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:56.800
<v Speaker 3>make another bogey, you know.

0:19:57.320 --> 0:19:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you missed, you missed a variable. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the concept.

0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.280
<v Speaker 3>It is like that shot though, at almost every golf

0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 3>course in the world, especially like even like if you

0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 3>compare it to like Cyper's point, you probably get away

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 3>with that shot a little bit more there, right, Like,

0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:17.439
<v Speaker 3>it just doesn't so few places have such a seismic

0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.960
<v Speaker 3>impact when you when you miss by so such small margins.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I saw Roseng hit an approach into ten

0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.400
<v Speaker 2>from basically the same position on Saturday at the Annwha.

0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.200
<v Speaker 2>This was the first time that she played ten, because

0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>she played it again in the playoff and sort of

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.360
<v Speaker 2>corrected some of the mistakes that she made the first time,

0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.560
<v Speaker 2>but she ended up in that position that you're talking about.

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.679
<v Speaker 2>She had the ball above her feet, but also a

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<v Speaker 2>downhill lie, and it was clear that she was just

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<v Speaker 2>really uncomfortable with it. And if you look at that green,

0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it just totally accentuates the discomfort of hitting off of

0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.919
<v Speaker 2>an uneven lie, because this green is just sort of

0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:05.119
<v Speaker 2>awkward perched on a knoll. There's a really severe drop

0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:09.719
<v Speaker 2>off to the left, like huge plummeting drop off to

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 2>the left, and then to the right there's this bunker

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.199
<v Speaker 2>and the land is high, and so you're looking at

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.120
<v Speaker 2>either side of this green and you're saying to yourself,

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be on either side of this green.

0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I can't be anywhere except for down the middle on

0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.600
<v Speaker 2>this green because if I'm left, I'm way down below

0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the green. I have a really tough chip back up.

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 2>If I'm on the right, then I might end up

0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.880
<v Speaker 2>running across the green down the slope to the other

0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 2>side and going down that big drop off and being

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.160
<v Speaker 2>in even more trouble. And so it just gets into

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.120
<v Speaker 2>your head. You're like, I don't really have a good

0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.959
<v Speaker 2>place to miss here, right or left. I don't have

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:53.159
<v Speaker 2>a side of the green really to prefer. And also

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm on this weird lie that's kind of pushing me

0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:00.679
<v Speaker 2>in different directions, and it messed roseing up up and

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 2>she ended up hitting you know, pulling and kind of

0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.600
<v Speaker 2>hooking her approach into the green and she is way

0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 2>down on the left. But you know, she would never

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.639
<v Speaker 2>hit that shot from an even lie into one of

0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.199
<v Speaker 2>the greens that champions retreat. She just didn't hit that

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 2>shot at all, but she was influenced into doing it

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 2>by the topography because she was a little bit out

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.080
<v Speaker 2>of position on her t shot.

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I think the other aspect of this that we haven't

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:30.840
<v Speaker 3>talked about is with Augusta in general, is like at

0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:36.879
<v Speaker 3>most courses, twenty five feet is a really nice like shot,

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.440
<v Speaker 3>like it allows you to play super conservative, and a

0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 3>lot of golf courses like the thing about golf is

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 3>like the very best players in the world are generally

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 3>the most conservative players in the world. They refuse to

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.920
<v Speaker 3>give up shots and they do that by being conservative.

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 3>At Augusta, you know, here's the thing, is like twenty

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 3>five feet away on almost every hole is a really

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to be there because then you're like,

0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 3>I have, like I have a lot of work to

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 3>do to get this down in two and it's going

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 3>to be very difficult.

0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:09.439
<v Speaker 4>It's not a put I want.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happens is that those understanding the two putt

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 3>aspect of it, like being somewhere and having to contend

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 3>with all this slope sometimes a lot of speed is that.

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:24.119
<v Speaker 4>You know you put it.

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 3>It makes you play more aggressive because you do not

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.120
<v Speaker 3>like the other option as much as you do at

0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 3>a let's just say TPC Louisiana, Right, I don't want

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 3>to pick on on that, but like, you.

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Know, we know what you mean.

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, or even like.

0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Beth Page, Beth Page would be a great comp Like

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 3>those greens are so flat and and like they have

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 3>this amazing topography and everything. But the greens, once you

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 3>get to them, it's like, oh, I'll take thirty feet

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.159
<v Speaker 3>because I know I've got a decent chance at running

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:57.679
<v Speaker 3>one in every once in a while, and I'm not

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 3>going to three put at Augusta. When you're thirty feet

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 3>pin high, it's like, man, I got to hit like

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 3>a great leg putt to get it to four feet,

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.159
<v Speaker 3>like you know, like that, and then like four feet

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 3>is not fun, Like it's not like I I struggled

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.199
<v Speaker 3>mightily with short putting, and I think it was a

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.440
<v Speaker 3>combination of just being a little nervy and uncomfortable with

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 3>like what what's going on on the greens.

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 4>They're kind of tricky to read.

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 3>And and you know, this gets to another point with

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.919
<v Speaker 3>the land is that the greens are really hard to

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.919
<v Speaker 3>read because they're very deceptive. A lot of greens are

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 3>benched into big slopes, and your eye sees the big

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 3>slopes and then the big slopes on the green and

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 3>it you know, you really have to read.

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 4>Greens with your feet out there. It's the only way

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 4>to read them.

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh, no, with you have you have to do aim point.

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 4>Huh I I mean a little bit.

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't use aim point, but I like to walk

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 3>around a putt like that's kind of how I figure

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 3>out uphill downhill. And then I read with my eyes.

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 3>I struggled reading with my eyes because they're tricked by

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.679
<v Speaker 3>like a good example, and I wrote about this is

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:09.320
<v Speaker 3>the seventeenth the seventeenth hole, like it's benched into a

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 3>really big side hill there that green. But you know,

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 3>you think about the Sunday pin with it back right,

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 3>it looks like it's up on a plateau, right, But

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:20.679
<v Speaker 3>if you hit a putt from the left side, to

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 3>the right side of that green. It's insanely fast, and

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 3>you would never think that because you're like, wait, it's

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 3>up on a plateau. But like you're that the bigger

0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 3>hill is the hill that it's benched into where the

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.439
<v Speaker 3>green sits is the big hill. But that plateau, because

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.880
<v Speaker 3>you're looking at it, looks like it's a big hill,

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 3>if that makes sense.

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It looks like, well, this is one of the things

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that really surprised me when I was out there. I

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>was walking the course backwards basically as you have recommended before,

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and so I walked backwards with meg Atkins down the

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>eighteenth hole and so we got past the eighteenth tee

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and saw the back of the seventeenth green and it

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>is hugely built up back there. The backside of that

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>green and the right side of it are just really

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>really pushed up, and I think artificially, I think it

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>moved a lot of dirt things to raise up. Yeah,

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean it would be weird if that were a

0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 2>natural landform, that would be that would be an odd

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:28.159
<v Speaker 2>little part of the property. But but it's it's not

0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>the kind of build that you associate with Alistair mackenzie.

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>It's more the kind of build up that you would

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 2>associate with Langford and Moreau or Seth Rayner, where they

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>would just like you know, lift up a side of

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the green to situate a green on a hillside right

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>in order to make the green flat enough to be puttable.

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's what they did at the seventeenth Green hugely,

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>but it's still it tells you how severe that side

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>slope is that it's on, that the green is still

0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:02.640
<v Speaker 2>very very severely cantid down the hillside, even though one

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>side of it is pushed up as much as it is.

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I was talking with an architecture nut yesterday who's who's

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 3>been to Augusta a few times, and he was actually

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 3>talking about the support structure of the fourteenth Green, and

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 3>there's like a mound, there's a mound like twenty yards

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.439
<v Speaker 3>in front of the green, but that that right side

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 3>is really built up similarly to seventeen. Very And I

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 3>had a putt from the right side up fourteen from

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 3>like the pin high right of that back pin, and

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 3>it was insanely slow. I hit it so hard. It

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 3>was a great I hit a great putt, but I

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 3>hit it so hard because it was just so uphill

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 3>and like people talk about this Rays Creek thing. Yeah, like,

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of people love to give announcer shit

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 3>about the mountain.

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Every putt breaks toward rays Creek. Yeah yeah, but it's

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 2>not if I can jump in here, it's not that

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Ray's Creek has like a mis stickle pull. No, the

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 2>land all moves that way, and so you know, you're

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>accustomed to that, and so you don't think that the

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>greens are tilted, but actually most of them really do

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>move with the.

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 3>Land exactly exactly like the greens are all set into

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 3>that hill. And so even if your eyes see the

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 3>slopes that are close to you, there's a really big

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 3>other slope, right if that makes sense.

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, there's the hidden slope is the overall slope

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>of the property. Augusta National is built on a hillside.

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, eleven and twelve and thirteen t are at

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>the bottom, but the clubhouse is at the top and

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>everything else is on a hillside. And it's I think

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>a testament to the artistry of the routing that you

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like it's repetitive or dull that you're just

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>on this hillside and it's basically one dominant slope throughout

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the golf course. The routing does a really good job

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of kind of hiding that and making it feel more

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>varied than actually that piece of land maybe naturally is.

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that that's one sort of underrated

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>under the radar thing about Augusta National. It's built on

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 2>a hillside, and a lot of hillside courses are kind

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>of dull because it's just one basic landform. But through

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>some genius and routing, this course doesn't feel like that.

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.480
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0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.440
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0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I think people are tuning into this podcast they want

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>to hear about some some of the birdies and bogies.

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 2>We can hit on some highlights, so we'll get to

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.360
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<v Speaker 2>did you take your travel packs with you? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>still sticking to the AG one team?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this has been I travel a ton. I mean clearly,

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<v Speaker 3>I spend a lot of time on the road, and

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 3>like one of the things that's plagued me the last

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 3>few years, it's just really hard to be healthy on

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 3>the road, especially I'm up early, I'm shooting golf courses.

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm out late shooting golf courses. Like there's not a

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 3>lot of time in between, especially if you're seeing the

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 3>course in the middle of the day to do things

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 3>like for yourself and eat healthy and different things. I'm

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 3>on a three week trip and I'm at the very

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<v Speaker 3>end of it. I brought enough of the travel packs

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<v Speaker 3>for the three weeks, and like, I can't tell you,

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 3>like how much better and more energized I've been this trip,

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 3>because like, I just feel better in the morning. And

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of it has to do with

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 3>taking this ag one, Like it just get it covers

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 3>a base layer of what my body needs, and I'm

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 3>not like just avoiding I'm not like depriving it of that.

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 3>So it's been really good. I've taken it every day

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>of this trip. I feel a lot better than I

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 3>usually feel at the end of a three week trip.

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 3>And uh, I'm you know, I'm excited to get home,

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 3>but like I'm also excited. Usually my wife's used to

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.480
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0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.959
<v Speaker 2>a shot by shot summary of year round. You know

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 2>that that's not the type of content that we like

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to do really ever, even in this case when you

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 2>got to play Augusta National on the media day, So

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe just give me from the front nine. One big

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 2>highlight and one big low light.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, highlight, I'll give you two highlights. I got two

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 3>that are actually yeah, I'll give you two I got yeah.

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead.

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 3>There's like three clear highlights, but I'm not going to

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 3>do all three. But all right, So the the third

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 3>hole I hit, I hit a driver.

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 4>I saw.

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 3>I you know, I didn't have my phone much this week.

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I saw this was a big controversy. But I hit

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 3>my drive by percubit. It was into the wind and

0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 3>I hit it right to the shelf. It was great.

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe how nice that shelf is. On three,

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>you have basically a full wedge from a dead flat

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 3>lie to a a level green that like happens never

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>out there.

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but look, Google Earth tells me that I need

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to hit driver up into the terrible lie down left

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>of the green. You know, that's what Google Earth and

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>data say. Listen, we're not gonna we don't have to

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 2>get into it. It's a really nice lie up there.

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a nice full way.

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to get to it, though, like I get it.

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 3>It's like I got to I was thinking that I

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 3>was going to get down, but it was into the wind.

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 3>One other thing just really quick. I've never been I've

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 3>never been to a golf course that it is nice

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 3>to chip off of the lies. It's really truly like

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 3>what Mike Clayton always says is like impossible chip shots

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 3>from perfect lies Augusta National that tert that ry overseen.

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 3>The way the ball sits up and the way your

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 3>club reacts with the grass is unbelievable. It's like it's

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.719
<v Speaker 3>really like, if you know what you're doing around the greens,

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 3>it's really hard to hit, like have a poorly struck

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 3>chip shot right, you might misjudge where to hit it

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 3>the but like the way the ball and club interact

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 3>with the grass is amazing. It's it's unbelievable. So anyways,

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 3>three that I was like, I've looked at that green

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 3>so many times, so many times. I understand it. And

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the web shot I kind of was just like, oh,

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.800
<v Speaker 3>I can hit this. It was like I think the

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 3>yard is was like ninety two yards into the into

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 3>the wind. I hit my sandwich about one hundred and five.

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.440
<v Speaker 3>It's just like the it was just a perfect number

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 3>for me, and I hit this great wedge like it

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, you you always want those wedges to come

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>out with kind of kind of lower trajectory, and they

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 3>you can just you can kind of feel the spin

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 3>on your cut when you hit it off the off

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 3>the face.

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I just say a sign that it's spinning

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot if it's coming out kind of low.

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>And it it just like it was just a beautiful

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 3>wed shot and and it was probably in the running

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 3>of the best shots that I hit all day. And

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 3>it landed like five feet left of the flag and

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 3>it ended up like fifteen feet away. I got up

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 3>there and I couldn't believe how far away it was.

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Like when I hit it, I kind of was like, oh,

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I got like a four footer, like you know, because

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.240
<v Speaker 3>you can't see you can't see the around the cup

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 3>from there. It's because because of that front of the

0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 3>green and why you can't see it getting on the

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.320
<v Speaker 3>green and feeling it on your feet. The green runs

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 3>away like it's like very severely running away, and I

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 3>so I have like fifteen feet I couldn't believe that

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.959
<v Speaker 3>it ran out that far. But then the other thing

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 3>that like I just started to think about was like,

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 3>how fricking good some of the shots that I've seen

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 3>in my life into that green are the guys that

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 3>are hitting it and zipping it back against that slope,

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Like just how much spin they are putting on the

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 3>ball to do that. The chip shot from down to

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.840
<v Speaker 3>me seems like the worst thing in the world and

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 3>the especially as somebody who doesn't practice, Like, no, I

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 3>don't want a forty forty yard chip up to like

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 3>a green, Yeah yeah, twenty feet above me that's pitched

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 3>away like crazy, Like no, no, I don't want anything

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.839
<v Speaker 3>to do with that, especially with like sticky grass going up.

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 3>It's not a shot that I could hit a bumper

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 3>and just have it like I can't hit that shot,

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 3>like and I might be able to like I might

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 3>be able to hit it, like at that point i'd

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 3>be playing defense. I'd be like, okay, where could I

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 3>throw this onto the green? And then like every green

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 3>out there when you play defense and you're like trying

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 3>to hit it to twenty feet all of a sudden,

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 3>then it's like, okay, I've introduced a very hard two putt.

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 3>So that was that web shot was a high, and

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.359
<v Speaker 3>then another high which I didn't like. Get to see it.

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I hit a great drive on eight. I was in

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 3>a great spot and I got kind of bit up by.

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 3>I heard Phil talk or Phil I think Phil talk

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 3>about it how like bad left is on eighth and

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.320
<v Speaker 3>I kind of I that upslope. Your tendency is to

0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 3>hit like a hook. I hooked a three wood into

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 3>the tree and it came straight down. So I was

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 3>in the tree and I hit like I had some

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 3>tree trouble. I like hit a kind of basically like

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 3>a massive flop from like fifty yards like and I

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.760
<v Speaker 3>hit it up through the tree, got through the tree,

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 3>and it landed like right and caught the slope and

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 3>rolled down to.

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 4>Like three feet.

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, So that was That was an amazing I

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 3>wish I would have seen it on the green. So

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 3>that was those were two two highs. The other high

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 3>real quick. I hit it like pin high twenty feet

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 3>or fifteen eighteen feet right of six.

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh nice.

0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 4>Where was I was just in the fringe. It was

0:37:58.360 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 4>the back right pin, the Sunday pin.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 4>So I was like I was in like the garden spot.

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean like I had.

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 3>I was a yard off the green, and but putting

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 3>through that stuff is really hard. I think that's one

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 3>of the things when you think about, like I heard

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:17.239
<v Speaker 3>you and Joseph talking about how like Victor Hovelin will

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 3>notch a bunch of like six to twentieth finishes. Yes,

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.359
<v Speaker 3>I think Joseph said, because you just can't ship, like

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 3>think about like the some of the best players, like

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 3>the best masters, the most consistent master players who haven't

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 3>like won there like Westy and and I think Ernie

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Els is a different conversation, but like Westy and Paul

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Casey are like effectively that player. They can't ship. And

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 3>the thing about think about Augusta is when you're a

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 3>yard and half with that rye overseed off the green,

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 3>you really don't want to put it because you have

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 3>to hit it so hard to get it through the

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 3>rye and then it gets on the green and it's

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 3>lightning fast, right, Like, the difference in speed from fringe

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 3>to to green is insanely different. So you have to chip, Yes,

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 3>like you can't pull out your putter and put it

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 3>from around the greens at like at maybe Pinehurst number two.

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, and west Paul Casey and Victor Hoveland are

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 2>all exceptional ball strikers, yes, And so you can coast

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 2>for a while at Augusta National if you're hitting every green,

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>which essentially Victor Hoveland was doing for a while this

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:33.320
<v Speaker 2>past weekend. But eventually things do go sideways. You're forced

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>to scramble, and the guys who can't scramble just don't

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 2>seem to be able to hang around the top of

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 2>the leaderboard.

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.879
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, And they can fit, they can have exceptionally

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 3>high finishes because they meet the demand's tea to green,

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 3>But the difference between winning and finishing eighth is literally

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.200
<v Speaker 3>like four or five up and downs in a tournament, right,

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.240
<v Speaker 3>that's the difference, right, and those guys just aren't as good.

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 3>And that's one of the beauties of Augusta, I think,

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 3>is like it really puts a premium on every skill, right,

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Like I talked about the driving, how surprised I was,

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.959
<v Speaker 3>how tough it was to drive out there, Like it's uncomfortable.

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 3>It gives you enough space though that if you drive

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 3>it really well, you're gonna get rewarded for driving it

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 3>really well, right, Like, It's not like a narrow US

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 3>Open venue where it's like, okay, like if I drive

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 3>a grade, I'm gonna hit eight fairways. If I drive

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.359
<v Speaker 3>a grade out there, I might hit every fair away, right,

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 3>And versus you know, and that's I think the thing

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 3>is like, and the same thing around the greens is

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 3>like it really rewards you because like guys could hit

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.439
<v Speaker 3>a ton of greens out there, but then when they miss,

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 3>they have to chip it. You're not putting, you know,

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 3>it's very hard to put out there. So my low light,

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 3>I've got a few. I did not get off to

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 3>a great start. I was very uncomfortable.

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Little nervy.

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and my low light would have to be nine.

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 4>I hit a great drive.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 3>It was like one of the few drives that I

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 3>turned over and I was really happy about it. I've

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>turned it over right to left. It was amazing, bounded down.

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 3>I was down in the flat. It was a great place.

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Like I was really nervous about kind of fanning it

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 3>out right and having that really awkward downhill Lie.

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 4>And side hill Lie, and I hit. I had a

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 4>great number.

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 3>But then I had watched guys just zip it off

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the front of the green all day when you know, yes,

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 3>the day before, right, you know, everybody was kind of

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 3>like struggling and spinning it off the front, and I'm like,

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 3>at that point, few over par I made a boat

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Bertie on eight I'm starting to think, all right, let's

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 3>get this thing going, you know. And I tried to

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 3>hit like this, like chippy. I tried to hit a

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 3>cute shot, like a chippy little nine iron that had

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.839
<v Speaker 3>no spin, that came out low, and uh, I just

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 3>came over it, which is what you do when you

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.239
<v Speaker 3>don't play a lot of golf, and I, you know,

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 3>close it down, ended up on the back of the

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 3>green and it was like very close to where Tiger

0:41:57.160 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 3>hit his putt from and I.

0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 4>I thought I had a good read.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I thought when I hit it, I was like, it's

0:42:06.040 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 3>it's not going to be that bad, Like it's it's

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I think this is good. I think like the first

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 3>ten feet of it were really encouraging, but then it

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:17.439
<v Speaker 3>just kept picking up speed like it just and wanted

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 3>to just right off the front. And I was like,

0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 3>but then you get down there and you're like, oh,

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>this is why guys are fine zipping it off the front.

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 4>Is the chips pretty reasonable?

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 3>But I did what a lot of guys do is

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 3>I hit a really good chip shot almost went in

0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 3>and then ended up four feet past it. And that

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 3>puts awful. It's like you're playing it outside the hole.

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 3>You're barely but and it's really hard to play putts

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 3>outside the hole when you can't hit the ball, like

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:49.359
<v Speaker 3>you can't hit it because it's so fast and you're

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:52.520
<v Speaker 3>aiming it outside the hole. So I I like, I

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.319
<v Speaker 3>missed that I made double there. That was It was

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 3>a low point i'd right when I started to think

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I like was starting to cook.

0:42:58.680 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 4>I played.

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 3>I played really good, six, really good, seven, really good, eight,

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, I'm start to feel really good.

0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 3>And then nine I make a double and it's like,

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 3>I didn't you know, if I had just accepted that

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm probably going to end up off the green, I

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 3>would have, you know, saved a shot there.

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, something just clicked for me about that putt

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 2>on nine, which I've seen a lot of players miss.

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Right.

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 2>We see a lot of short misses on the ninth green.

0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 2>I feel like among even leaders in the tournament, right,

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 2>we saw brooks Kopka and John Rown both miss like

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>makeable length putts on the ninth green in the in

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the final round of this Masters, something just clicked for me.

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:42.879
<v Speaker 2>When you're way downhill on a putt, as you are,

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.800
<v Speaker 2>if you're above the hole and it's breaking a lot.

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 2>You almost feel like you can't hit the putt hard

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>enough to get it high enough, yes, to get on

0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the right line, because you're just tapping it. And so

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>at what angle do you need to tap it for

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 2>it to even find the right place to break into

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>the hole. And so it's that that is an extremely

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable putt. But it also raises a question that Jay

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Yarrow asked on Twitter. I looked at some of the

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>questions that Brendan Porath gathered from Twitter users and picked

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 2>out a few that were interesting. What do you make

0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:21.240
<v Speaker 2>of green speeds at Augusta National? Because you have railed

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>against green speeds high green speeds a classic courses before,

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 2>would you put Augusta National in that same bucket of courses?

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a golf course that's been altering their

0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 3>greens to fit the green speed, right, yep. I don't

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 3>think that's a great thing. It's extreme. But I will

0:44:40.560 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 3>say one of the things I think I took away

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 3>is that Augusta Nationals where they put flags, Like if

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.720
<v Speaker 3>it was a PGA tour where they put the holes,

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 3>If it was a PGA tour set up, players would

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.440
<v Speaker 3>be bitching like crazy, like if the PGA Tour did this,

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>or the USGA, if the USGA trotted out a whole

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 3>locations like Augusta Nationals, they be irate because, like, like

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 3>you said, the hardest thing on those short putts is

0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 3>like is figuring out how to get the ball on

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 3>the right start line without like hammering the ball. You know,

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 3>what you have to do is you have to hit

0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.879
<v Speaker 3>putts and not be thinking about what happens if I miss.

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I thought. My mentality was wrong all day.

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 3>And it's like the best putters in the world do that,

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 3>is they are not concerned about the next putt on

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 3>anything inside twenty feet or so.

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:34.359
<v Speaker 4>They are.

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 3>They are trying to make the putt and if it misses,

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 3>that's their next problem. It's not something that they consider.

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 3>And where I went wrong was I was so afraid

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 3>of the next putt that I didn't I didn't try

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.760
<v Speaker 3>and make the Does that make sense?

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely, yeah, You're putting defensively. This is how I

0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 2>put all the time. Actually, so I mean, even if

0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not an Augusta National, this is how I putt.

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid of the comebacker because I just don't want

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>a three put and end up leaving it short. And this,

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is the magic of a putter like

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Cameron Smith. Cameron Smith has confidence in making that comebacker

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>and so he has really nice, strong speed on his

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 2>lag putts and his ten to fifteen footers, and that's

0:46:20.120 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>something that probably helps tremendously at Augusta National because especially

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 2>where they put pins to tie back to that point,

0:46:27.120 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the balls often going to run quickly away from the hole.

0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 2>If you miss on the low side, or if you

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 2>hit it a little bit too firm, it's going to

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 2>get farther away from the hole than it would at

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a regular PGA tour setup where they have a certain

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 2>area of flatness around the pin that they have to have.

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 2>They don't do that with the pin positions at the

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Masters at all. And so when you miss your fifteen footers,

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:57.839
<v Speaker 2>it's not going three feet by, it's going sometimes eight

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 2>nine feet by, and you can't really stop it.

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. If you can't be concerned

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 3>about the next put out, there is definitely a takeaway

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 3>from there.

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 2>So all right, let's talk about a little about the

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>back nine. You've told this story in the article that

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.799
<v Speaker 2>we posted on the Friday dot Com. That's gotten a

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 2>good bit of reading. People have been people have been

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>going to our little website and reading your article in

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:31.399
<v Speaker 2>numbers that I think surprised all of us and delighted us.

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 2>And so I would say that a lot of people

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>listening to this podcast have probably read that story and

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>they know that you really started to pick up steam

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 2>on the eleventh and twelfth holes on Amen Corner. You

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>birdied eleven, chipped in for a birdie on twelve. Now

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>you described your birdie on twelve in the article, right,

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 2>you went a little long between those two bunkers and

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.799
<v Speaker 2>you hold the chip coming back, and that's unbelievable. I

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:02.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know yet how you birdied eleven. What shots did

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 2>you hit on eleven that allowed you to birdy that

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of beast of a hole?

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.839
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean from the members is.

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Not as much of a beast, Yeah, I guess that's true.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:16.800
<v Speaker 3>It's so much shorter, yeah, and it's the fairway super wide,

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, like that was like the one t

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 3>shot where I like just stood up and I was like, oh,

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I could just hammer this thing.

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you.

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Know, I think like that's one of the things of

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 3>one just like observation playing the Vemberte's.

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.360
<v Speaker 4>It's a delightful walk. It's just like green.

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Right right from there to the tee. That's yes, yes, Well,

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 2>one thing I noticed Meg and I when we were

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.919
<v Speaker 2>walking the course, we made sure to look at where

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the number tee is and at where the championship tee is.

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Obviously they're very far apart. Everybody knows that it's seventy

0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 2>five hundred yards from the championship teas and it's what

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>sixty nine from the numbers two?

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:54.919
<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's like sixty four?

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, How wrong was I about that? Why did

0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I think it was sixty nine. Maybe that's because the

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>championship te's were sixty nine back in the in the nineties.

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 2>That's that's where I got that from. Yeah, okay, unbelievable,

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:10.200
<v Speaker 2>of course, yeah, sixty four brain fart, it's.

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 4>Like sixty three seventy or something.

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not believable. A thousand yards difference, So yes,

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the space is huge. But the other thing I noticed

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.239
<v Speaker 2>is that the championship tees are really elevated compared to

0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 2>the members teas in most places.

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's because they they're going back up hills they're.

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:30.279
<v Speaker 2>Going back up hill now exactly. And yes, so you

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 2>go into.

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.919
<v Speaker 3>The green in fifteenth case, you're going down the hill

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 3>and it's further low, it's lower.

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 2>It is lower, yes, because that's yeah, because you're going

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 2>down towards sort of eleven or fourteen.

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Fourteen would be the same, seventeen would be the same.

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.359
<v Speaker 3>They're down lower, they sit down lower because you're not.

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:48.920
<v Speaker 4>You know, So it's one.

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 2>One is higher, five is higher, eleven is way way high.

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:56.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like the championship tee is up in the sky,

0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the member tee is nice and down low, and it's

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 2>just like a really different hole. There's nothing more to

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>say about it. Like it's such a different hole from

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:11.719
<v Speaker 2>not only that much farther forward, but also from that

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>much lower. Your sight line is so much different. It's

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 2>more of an up and over tee shot almost eleven, yeah,

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 2>from from the member tee, as opposed to just a

0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 2>pure downhill ski slope type shot, which makes eleven sort

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.720
<v Speaker 2>of similar to ten in some ways. From the championship tease.

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I hit it down and I had like a

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 3>wedge in yeah, So I mean it's a way easier

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 3>shot to what these guys but I was on the

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 3>left side of the fairway, so like I had the

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:42.840
<v Speaker 3>bad angle. I will say, like one of the things,

0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 3>like I saw some old pictures of the eleventh and

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 3>and the green is so much better than it is now.

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Like the green looks like I don't want this to

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.839
<v Speaker 3>be taken the wrong way, but it looks like like

0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:01.839
<v Speaker 3>a like a very it's a very ordinary green. And

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 3>it lost those mounds that kind of came into the

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:07.919
<v Speaker 3>front of the green. Yeah, and like were integrated into

0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 3>the front of the green. They have those big mounds,

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:11.440
<v Speaker 3>but they used to run into the green.

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 2>And is that because the green came farther forward or

0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:18.280
<v Speaker 2>because the mounds were structured.

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Down the mounds the mounds went into it, and now

0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 3>it's like a valley. It looks like really silly, to

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 3>be completely honest. And it's like it was hard to

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.319
<v Speaker 3>decipher that from where they have the ropes. But then

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 3>when I was looking at it from like the left

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:34.439
<v Speaker 3>side of the faraway, which is way over there where

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.360
<v Speaker 3>you don't have the mound obscurity, like I kind of

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.560
<v Speaker 3>was looking at it, and I was like, this doesn't

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 3>look quite right, you know. But anyway, so I had

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 3>to wedge in there. This is just a side from

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 3>the from the round, but I had a wedge in

0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:49.320
<v Speaker 3>there and I hit a wet I hit a great shot.

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean it landed like probably like seven feet pin high, right.

0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 3>But one of the things that I took away the

0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 3>greens down there and that part of the course are

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 3>way softer. It's zipped back. It like really grabbed and

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 3>zipped back. I had a big ball mark and it

0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 3>just because it's in the low part of the property

0:52:07.640 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 3>and then you have the trees all around, there's not

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:11.879
<v Speaker 3>a lot of airflow. It doesn't matter how good your

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 3>subare is down there, like how much subare you have,

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Like it's got to be really hard comparatively, like from

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:23.200
<v Speaker 3>three and to eleven to have similar green.

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 4>Firmness. And this isn't a knock.

0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I think that greens should be different firmness like that

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:34.000
<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't be artificially doctoring greens to to try and

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.719
<v Speaker 3>have some consistency bar like it's this is just like

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:39.439
<v Speaker 3>the way it works, Like the eleventh green isn't gonna

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 3>dry out as well as a third green on a

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 3>plateau up in the wind, like it's down in a

0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:48.399
<v Speaker 3>valley with very little airflow, so like that thing spun back,

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:52.720
<v Speaker 3>I had like twenty five feet. I remembered Brooks hitting

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:55.520
<v Speaker 3>a putt that I think he came up short. Somebody

0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 3>I watched on eleven on Sunday came up way short

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 3>on the similar putt.

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:04.439
<v Speaker 2>Brooks was sort of on the left side, left side

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.319
<v Speaker 2>of the I was left side and so near the water.

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that was Brooks.

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, So I made a note like this put's

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:15.239
<v Speaker 3>really a lot slower than you think, and I hit

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 3>it firm and it went in and unbelievable.

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 2>You did a little bit of scouting that. That's got

0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 2>to be cool to like do some scouting about what

0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 2>a player did in the Masters and then apply it

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to a round that you played the next day. I mean,

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that's that's just cool.

0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 3>It was like the first putt so like I you know,

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.960
<v Speaker 3>this was like a good moment for me because it

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 3>was the first putt where I was just like, let

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:43.120
<v Speaker 3>go and just hit it, you know, and wasn't wasn't

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:46.759
<v Speaker 3>worried about the next one, and and I made it.

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 3>It was great, and it was it was awesome, awesome

0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:52.480
<v Speaker 3>birdie to make. And then uh, then I went to

0:53:52.560 --> 0:53:56.120
<v Speaker 3>twelve and twelve twelve. Well, there's a little backup. Lots

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 3>of people were taking photos. As you can imagine, I

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 3>could take photos by share them, you know, So a

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 3>ton of people were taking photos. So there's a little backup.

0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:08.359
<v Speaker 3>So we stood on the eleventh t. The wind change

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 3>direction four times in like the fifteen minutes we were there.

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, twelfth t.

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Everything they say about the wind down on the twelfth

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>t eleventh green is true. And something that really registered

0:54:21.520 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>for me on Saturday at the Annwah was that it's

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:32.360
<v Speaker 2>a really strange, uncanny, uncomfortable sensory experience down there because

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 2>in general, you can't feel the wind unless it's like

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 2>really strong. You can't necessarily feel a consistent wind, even

0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:44.160
<v Speaker 2>if it's a fairly windy day, which it was on

0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Saturday at the Anha. And so you're down there in

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:50.160
<v Speaker 2>this little valley, the wind is being blocked by the

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 2>trees and by the slopes on every side of you.

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 2>But you're aware that there is wind because you can

0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 2>hear it in the trees. It's very very loud in

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the trees, the wind is and that's just going on constantly.

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:08.400
<v Speaker 2>You're constantly aware of that, and so It's this weird

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:12.840
<v Speaker 2>thing where the primary sense that you use to notice wind,

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.680
<v Speaker 2>which is you know, feel right your body, you can't

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>use that. You have to use your ears to know

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>that there's wind up in the air, and that, to

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:26.680
<v Speaker 2>me just it's just sort of threw me off. It

0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:30.880
<v Speaker 2>disoriented me, and so I understood why being on that

0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:35.319
<v Speaker 2>twelfth t is so uncomfortable for people, why we see

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:39.120
<v Speaker 2>so many bad shots. It's not just because they miscalculate

0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the wind, which is easy to do obviously, but it's

0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.319
<v Speaker 2>also because you're just thrown off completely. The usual way

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:48.879
<v Speaker 2>that you experience wind is not working well.

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:52.560
<v Speaker 3>It's doubt too, right, Like the best it's that Pete

0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:56.839
<v Speaker 3>die quote, like if I get them thinking, then I win. Yeah, right,

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Like if I get the best players in the world

0:55:58.760 --> 0:56:00.799
<v Speaker 3>thinking about a shot, then I win.

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:02.320
<v Speaker 4>And that's like totally it.

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, you know, it's funny because I talked with the

0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 3>caddies in our group a ton on the twelfth tee

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:09.040
<v Speaker 3>about like what should I do?

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:09.759
<v Speaker 4>What should I do?

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 3>And they all were like, hit it, hit it over

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 3>the bunker, hit it over the center of the bunker,

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 3>hit it over the center of the bunker, And like

0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 3>we settled on one sixty and and and over the

0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.320
<v Speaker 3>center of the bunker, and I hit it just like perfect.

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:28.720
<v Speaker 3>I hit it a great iron and it just carried.

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 3>It was downwind. We weren't sure how much, you know,

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.800
<v Speaker 3>like it kind of was swirling. We thought it was downwind.

0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:34.440
<v Speaker 4>But I hit it.

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I hit it great, and it ended up in between

0:56:36.680 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 3>those two bunkers, which was lucky because the bunkers are

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.040
<v Speaker 3>not a good spot. Like that's really really hard, and

0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 3>the in between them is not great because you get

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 3>like that. You I had like a downhill I and

0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 3>you know it was I hit I hit just such.

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.839
<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget that chip because I just hit it

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.839
<v Speaker 3>exactly how I wanted to, just landed dead on that

0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 3>green and rolled right. I mean like three feed out.

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.840
<v Speaker 3>I knew it was in and uh it was. So

0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 3>that was really cool. It was I mean, Bertie, Bernie

0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:08.240
<v Speaker 3>and eleven at twelve was was great.

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I assume that that was really the highlight of the

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:15.720
<v Speaker 2>back nine. Also there was a highlight on fifteen. Yeah. Yeah,

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And so you had a great drive on fifteen take

0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:18.640
<v Speaker 2>me in from there.

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 3>So I missed the fairway on thirteen and fourteen and

0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 3>those were probably the two approach shots that I wanted

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 3>to hit the most. So I was super bummed about that.

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I may par on both the holes. And and you know,

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 3>one thing I'll say, just like a really so the

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 3>wind we had was coming off our right, and I

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 3>think something that goes like that gets just like a

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 3>little bit under talked about. With that right pin on

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:51.040
<v Speaker 3>thirteen is how freaking hard it is to get the

0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 3>ball to the right pin from the thirteenth fairway. Yeah,

0:57:55.240 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 3>like because because making the ball, yeah yes, and everything

0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:03.800
<v Speaker 3>is making the ball go left, especially with I had

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:07.120
<v Speaker 3>the the wind and we saw on Sunday it was

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 3>the same wind as Sunday, it was just a little stronger,

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 3>and we saw so many balls end up left.

0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:13.560
<v Speaker 4>Everybody.

0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Everybody was left in the final few groups, and like

0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 3>it's impossible.

0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 4>To get the ball right.

0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 3>It's so you have to like you have to start

0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 3>it out over the creek almost to get it to

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:27.440
<v Speaker 3>be into that bowl area. So that was one kind

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 3>of huge takeaway. So fifteen on fifteen te like, I

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of gave myself like a self pep talk because

0:58:34.560 --> 0:58:38.040
<v Speaker 3>I just had hit like two big wipes right like

0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 3>right they started right and faded right and I kind.

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Of like was like you got it.

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Hit hit a frick a good T shot here, like

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 3>it just you have to hit a good T shot here.

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:50.360
<v Speaker 3>And I hit the best T shot I hit all day,

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 3>and uh, I mean it was it was bombed and.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh and I went I was down. It's like two

0:58:57.240 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 4>hundred yards out. What a cool, cool.

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 3>Spot to hit an approach, Like you've watched all these

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 3>guys over the years hit shots in there, and like

0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.720
<v Speaker 3>I was super nervous. I was like I was standing

0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:12.760
<v Speaker 3>over the shot. It's a slight down slope and like

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:16.080
<v Speaker 3>you're just like you see all the places that are bad.

0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Like I kind of had my eye on the right

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:22.720
<v Speaker 3>bunker as like okay, like if this is if this doesn't,

0:59:22.760 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 3>like where where am I missing? Like right bunker was

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 3>looking really good. It looked like great, Like the right bunker.

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:31.840
<v Speaker 3>You're standing over the shot. I always feel like you know,

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 3>when you're standing over shot, you're looking places that are

0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:37.200
<v Speaker 3>you know where you.

0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Might want to miss.

0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 3>And and again like I you know, I think back

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:45.080
<v Speaker 3>and like where I like when I really focused on

0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.560
<v Speaker 3>my body and how my body moved, I hit my

0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:50.920
<v Speaker 3>best shots. That is what I was thinking about on

0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 3>the Tee's what I thought about on ten. It's what

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:58.320
<v Speaker 3>I thought about, you know, on three. You know, it's

0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 3>like when I thought about really thought about like swinging

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<v Speaker 3>the club the right way with my lower body and

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<v Speaker 3>then my shoulders. Making sure that you know, I tend

1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:09.959
<v Speaker 3>to get when I hit bad shots, my shoulder turn.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't turn, like I'm trying to explain, like my

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<v Speaker 3>plane on my shoulders goes down. My left shoulder kind

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<v Speaker 3>of turns down a little, and it creates an angle

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<v Speaker 3>and I get steep. Like That's that's when I struggle,

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<v Speaker 3>is when I do that and I don't use my

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<v Speaker 3>lower body. So like all I was thinking about on

1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:32.919
<v Speaker 3>that shot was like using my body, and I hit

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<v Speaker 3>just this amazing iron like it was a it was

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<v Speaker 3>a five iron, and it started like the winds off

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<v Speaker 3>my right and it started five yards left of the

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<v Speaker 3>flag with a little cut and it just held right

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<v Speaker 3>there and ended up pin high fifteen feet.

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<v Speaker 4>I was I haven't tried on a putt like.

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<v Speaker 3>Those, honestly, Like since I stopped playing competitive golf, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say that those two shots, the three shots in

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<v Speaker 3>a row, were probably the most focus of expended on

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<v Speaker 3>the golf course was where the tea Like I.

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<v Speaker 4>Really wanted to hit a good drive. It was super fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, my I just didn't quite hit my putt hard enough. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>it was going away from the creek, like you're on

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<v Speaker 3>that green. You have this putt, like the last thing

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<v Speaker 3>you want to do with an eagle putt, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody I always think like people like, oh, you got

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<v Speaker 3>to give it an eagle putt. It a great chance.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, so I've got to hit it six feet

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<v Speaker 3>harder than I usually hit it. Like, you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't make a sense like if I haven't if I

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<v Speaker 3>have a good, makeable eagle putt, yeah, I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>make it, but like I also like want.

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<v Speaker 4>To have like a tap in birdie, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the principle of what makes a good putt

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't change just because it's an eagle putt. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>people make, right. It's just because it's an egle just

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<v Speaker 2>because it happens to be for eagle doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 2>the fundamentals of what makes a good putt are suddenly different.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So anyway, you were trying hard on this putt,

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<v Speaker 2>but you weren't you weren't looking to put it into

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<v Speaker 2>the pond. It wasn't like pond or.

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<v Speaker 3>Make it's yeah, I just like I didn't. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>judge the that I was putting away again up the hill,

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<v Speaker 3>up the slope. This is the things that trick you

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<v Speaker 3>out there, right, and that you would learn over time. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's like one thing I learned is putting from the

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<v Speaker 3>left side to the right side, there is slower. Even

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<v Speaker 3>though it doesn't look slower, you know it it felt

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<v Speaker 3>like it kind of looked like I was put on

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<v Speaker 3>a flat putt.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I went around to the other side of.

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<v Speaker 3>The I usually like read uphill downhill with my feet,

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<v Speaker 3>but then I go to the behind the hole to

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<v Speaker 3>see uphill downhill. And it's funny because on from one

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<v Speaker 3>side I was reading it one way from behind when

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<v Speaker 3>I was when I was like down reading it, it

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<v Speaker 3>looked like it was downhill, but it wasn't. And and

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<v Speaker 3>so anyways, I left it it just it. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>leave it short. It just ran out of steam like

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<v Speaker 3>it if I hit it with six more inches of pace,

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<v Speaker 3>it's in. So anyways, then I went to maybe my

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<v Speaker 3>when I think back about the nine so I'm too

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<v Speaker 3>wonder at this point, and I was like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like you for extensive mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're you're walking on air right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I was like, and I just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you get into these golf you know, I always think

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<v Speaker 3>you play golf and waves right, you know, like when

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<v Speaker 3>you don't think you're ever going to get out of

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<v Speaker 3>a bad funk, when you're on the course and you

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<v Speaker 3>need to hit like a couple of good shots to

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<v Speaker 3>get out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I would say, especially you, this isn't unique

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<v Speaker 2>to you, but you are somebody who who rides on momentum,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's positive momentum or negative moment Oh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of You're kind of the microwave man in

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<v Speaker 2>one way or another. You can you can be pretty

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<v Speaker 2>low and you can do things that kind of keep

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<v Speaker 2>you there, and you can be pretty high and you

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<v Speaker 2>can really like get hot and shoot very low scores.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say that this is a a characteristic

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<v Speaker 2>of you as a player.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was feeling great and like usually when I

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<v Speaker 3>get into this, I get like, I get really cooking.

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<v Speaker 4>And sixteen we had the number everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt McCatty was awesome, and we had the number and everything,

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<v Speaker 3>and like so one of the things with my blades,

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<v Speaker 3>with my seventies blades.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I should mention for people who

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<v Speaker 2>haven't listened to past podcasts where you've mentioned this or

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<v Speaker 2>read the articles where you've talked about this, you aren't

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<v Speaker 2>playing these clubs because you're like, look at how hardcore

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I'm playing Augusta National with my vintage set,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you go home and you know, bring out

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<v Speaker 2>your modern equipment and you play that every day. This

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<v Speaker 2>is actually the set that you have been playing full

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<v Speaker 2>time for a while now, at least since you broke

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<v Speaker 2>your modern driver in Nebraska last year.

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<v Speaker 4>So what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened was my old set of clubs that were

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<v Speaker 3>fit by Club Champion, my irons, my six iron broke,

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<v Speaker 3>the POxy just ran out. I'm for people that don't

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<v Speaker 3>know me, like this is like, you know, for people,

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<v Speaker 3>for normal a normal person, this is like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna go get it fixed. And I would go like

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<v Speaker 3>me going to get it fixed is like the herculean

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<v Speaker 3>task of the century. Like me, if somebody left their

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<v Speaker 3>hat at my house, like getting me to get it

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<v Speaker 3>to the ups store and ship. It is like that's

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<v Speaker 3>an act of God to get me there. So like

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<v Speaker 3>when things like this happened, it's just like I like

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<v Speaker 3>am like, okay, you know, and I have to go

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<v Speaker 3>get fit a club champion. I've been putting it off

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<v Speaker 3>for a year just because of the time commitment. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna go do it. But anyways, so I my six

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<v Speaker 3>iron broke and at that point I went to half set.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to all all odds yes, and it was great.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved it. And then my eight iron broke.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not my eight arm seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Eyes, so you couldn't do either or evens figure yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went from five. I went from five to eight,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I can't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know this part of the story. That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So a guy Elliott Ross, who used to work for

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Doak. He runs a company called Tworld Clubs. Now, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he had sent me these clubs. He's like, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you'd really love playing with these clubs. He's right, I

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<v Speaker 3>love playing with them. And my one thing was like,

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<v Speaker 3>can you put the shafts that I have in my

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<v Speaker 3>clubs in these clubs?

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<v Speaker 4>So they're blades.

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<v Speaker 3>They're seventies blades, but they have like the shaft, the

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<v Speaker 3>same shaft that I had in my old club championship.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a Project X moderate shaft. Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so like so anyways, he sent them to me

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<v Speaker 3>and I've bet so. I then at that point I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, well, I'm gonna use these because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have another option. Well, my old miszouos. I gotta throw

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<v Speaker 3>my buddy under a bus. I had some beautiful Mizuno

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<v Speaker 3>MP thirty threes and sixties. He was getting into back

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<v Speaker 3>into playing golf. He hadn't played since he was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were roommates at the time, and uh, He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>do you have clubs that I could use?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, yeah, you could use these irons.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're like they're the maybe my five favorite irons

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever had in my life.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave them away.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, some MP thirty three's. That's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really it's a really nice set of golf clubs.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I'm still mad about it. Yeah, I'm still

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<v Speaker 4>still pissed off about it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Anyway, anyway, so long story short, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is your permanent set. You're not, You're not doing

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<v Speaker 2>this as some sort of performative.

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<v Speaker 3>Like well, then my driver, my modern driver, which I

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<v Speaker 3>used to carry a modern and a persummer around with me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and my modern driver broke at sand Hills last year

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<v Speaker 3>and I almost cried because I loved it. I like

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<v Speaker 3>loved it, and I like it was like a very

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<v Speaker 3>bad day when it broke, you know. So anyways, that broke,

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<v Speaker 3>so like at that point, I didn't have a driver,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like I have this persum and driver and

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I use. I use a precimit driver. I

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<v Speaker 3>use the blades, and it's because all my other clubs broke.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, I'm sixteen. One of the tricky things with

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<v Speaker 3>these irons, right is I get yardages and like I

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<v Speaker 3>still remember what I used to hit from yardages, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have to add one club.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, there's a number that feels right you associated with

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<v Speaker 2>a certain club. But now that's different because these loss

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<v Speaker 2>are like like the pitching wedge that you have in

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<v Speaker 2>your set is like fifty degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so like I have to add a club to

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<v Speaker 3>every every club. So so the number we set on

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<v Speaker 3>was one seventy, and I could hit a seven at

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<v Speaker 3>my old seven iron. My modern seven iron was one

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five, so it's like a nice smooth seven iron,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just like didn't think that's a six iron.

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<v Speaker 4>I just pulled seven.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't convert, Yeah, And I think it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was because I was rolling, you know, because like I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't think. I was like I had and I hit

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<v Speaker 3>this thing. The line to that Sunday Pin is the

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<v Speaker 3>left TV tower if you if you're watching, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>the left TV tower, and I just I hit one

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<v Speaker 3>of my best irons of the day, pured it and

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<v Speaker 3>it came up like fifteen yards short, ten fifteen yards short,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like that it ended up on the

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<v Speaker 3>front part of the green I and I like, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't realize I hit the wrong club until eighteen when

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<v Speaker 3>I pulled seven iron, and I like thought back and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, wait a second, I hit seven iron

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<v Speaker 3>on sixteen, not six, you know. Yeah, And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I realized that I just pulled the wrong club out.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you three putted there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a super slow putt again. You're putting away,

1:09:52.800 --> 1:09:55.360
<v Speaker 3>that's right, you're putting toward the clubhouse. It was I

1:09:55.760 --> 1:09:57.720
<v Speaker 3>hit what I thought was a really good putt, and

1:09:57.760 --> 1:10:00.479
<v Speaker 3>I tried to swing it in off the slope and

1:10:01.680 --> 1:10:04.240
<v Speaker 3>it just died. It didn't have enough speed to catch

1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the slope all the way. And then I missed the

1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:08.920
<v Speaker 3>next one. That was a really hard putt. The putt

1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:14.479
<v Speaker 3>from like pin high right, it's really really hard. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>then I got to seventeen. I made it double there.

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<v Speaker 3>I told that story of the shotgun start. It was

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<v Speaker 3>I hit it into the grand stand, which was intentionally.

1:10:24.000 --> 1:10:26.040
<v Speaker 4>I hit it left off the tee. You never hit

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<v Speaker 4>good putt.

1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:29.719
<v Speaker 3>You never hit good t shots after three putts unless

1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:32.800
<v Speaker 3>you really like take your time and concentrate. And I

1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:35.439
<v Speaker 3>was kind of pissed off, and I was I was bad,

1:10:35.479 --> 1:10:37.479
<v Speaker 3>but I wanted to make a par because I was

1:10:37.520 --> 1:10:39.519
<v Speaker 3>still under par. And that's why I wanted to get

1:10:39.560 --> 1:10:42.320
<v Speaker 3>into the house at with the on the back nine,

1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:45.320
<v Speaker 3>and I hit it into there, and then I had

1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:47.760
<v Speaker 3>the optical illusion on seventeen that we talked about at

1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:49.839
<v Speaker 3>the top. I hit what I thought was a perfect

1:10:49.880 --> 1:10:52.640
<v Speaker 3>chip from left to the green. I like it was

1:10:52.720 --> 1:10:54.479
<v Speaker 3>one of those chips where you're just like, Okay, that's

1:10:54.479 --> 1:10:58.720
<v Speaker 3>gonna be super close. It rolled off the back hit

1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:01.519
<v Speaker 3>another chip up missed another short putt. There's a theme

1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:03.160
<v Speaker 3>of the day with short putt missus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:11:04.560 --> 1:11:07.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean I've probably missed like five putts inside five

1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:10.759
<v Speaker 3>feet it was it was hard, and then eighteen eighteen

1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:11.479
<v Speaker 3>so narrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that T shot is crazy. I mean those bunkers

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<v Speaker 2>that well, the bunkers are like the whole thing is

1:11:19.040 --> 1:11:22.120
<v Speaker 2>weird looking. But I see the point of it. I

1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:25.559
<v Speaker 2>see why it is the way that it is because

1:11:25.600 --> 1:11:29.200
<v Speaker 2>it's just very challenging and intimidating. But when you're looking

1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:33.120
<v Speaker 2>through that shoot, all you see is those bunkers. They

1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:36.720
<v Speaker 2>fill your field of vision and that's that's really all

1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:38.800
<v Speaker 2>that you have to focus on. So it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>imagine hitting a successful T shot there. It would be

1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:46.000
<v Speaker 2>hard for me to stand on that tee and see

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<v Speaker 2>where I needed to hit it in order to be

1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:52.519
<v Speaker 2>successful because all I'm seeing is those bunkers and the

1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:54.920
<v Speaker 2>trees on either side. But it sounds like you hit

1:11:54.960 --> 1:11:55.800
<v Speaker 2>a good T shot there.

1:11:56.360 --> 1:11:56.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:11:56.680 --> 1:11:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know what I did is I switched to

1:11:58.840 --> 1:12:02.200
<v Speaker 3>my three would I hit three wood twice off the

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<v Speaker 3>tee and I hit it right, like dead nuts straight.

1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:07.080
<v Speaker 3>I like one of my regrets I should have hit

1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:10.600
<v Speaker 3>that more because I I hit it really good. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>just I very I love that club. It's a pt

1:12:13.600 --> 1:12:15.800
<v Speaker 3>three wood. I love it, And like I think there's

1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.320
<v Speaker 3>always something if you like just love a club, like

1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:20.000
<v Speaker 3>you swing better with it.

1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:21.599
<v Speaker 4>And I love hitting that club.

1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:24.680
<v Speaker 3>And and I didn't drive it great with the with

1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:27.120
<v Speaker 3>the per simmon and uh, and I hit it just

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<v Speaker 3>like my my caddy was kind of surprising.

1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:31.360
<v Speaker 4>It's like you're hitting three wood and I just I

1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:32.760
<v Speaker 4>hit it perfect. I had.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that that second shot so uphill, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>plus fifteen.

1:12:37.680 --> 1:12:38.400
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy hill.

1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:39.559
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy.

1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:43.639
<v Speaker 2>You can't see anything like you just it's just it's wild.

1:12:43.920 --> 1:12:47.559
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't to an extent like this might be a

1:12:47.560 --> 1:12:49.760
<v Speaker 2>weird thing to say, but it almost doesn't even look

1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:52.400
<v Speaker 2>like a golf hole. It looks like they put a

1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.559
<v Speaker 2>golf hole like almost in the wrong place on the property.

1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:57.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's nuts.

1:12:57.640 --> 1:12:59.840
<v Speaker 3>And then you're hitting from the upslope, and like we

1:12:59.840 --> 1:13:02.160
<v Speaker 3>tell talked about on eight, like one of the things

1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:04.559
<v Speaker 3>when you're hitting from that, you miss left. You don't

1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:08.240
<v Speaker 3>want to miss left. So I think a lot of

1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:11.040
<v Speaker 3>guys miss right because of that, like they're conscious of

1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:13.719
<v Speaker 3>like I'm hitting from an upslope. The tendency's go left,

1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:16.000
<v Speaker 3>so you hit right. And I think that's just like

1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:19.080
<v Speaker 3>an interesting thing about the shot. I hit a great

1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:22.559
<v Speaker 3>iron I had. I was like probably fifteen feet pin

1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:27.040
<v Speaker 3>high right, and I hit a really bad putt. Never

1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:29.719
<v Speaker 3>had a chance. It was left left from the start.

1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:33.439
<v Speaker 3>So that was a bubber not making I not make

1:13:33.439 --> 1:13:35.280
<v Speaker 3>a birdie. There was a bubber. But it was fun.

1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:37.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was a super fun putt because like

1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:39.760
<v Speaker 3>you've seen that putt so many times. Oh yeah, like

1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I know it looks like it breaks a lot, but

1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:44.000
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't break as much as you think, you know

1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:47.479
<v Speaker 3>type thing, and it's like it's the Marco Beerra putt

1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:48.639
<v Speaker 3>effectively right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, all right, So that that wraps up your round

1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:55.320
<v Speaker 2>at Augusta National. What are what are some closing thoughts here?

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<v Speaker 3>I think like just my general thought is, like I

1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:02.080
<v Speaker 3>I kind of put this in the article, but like,

1:14:02.920 --> 1:14:06.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, life's funny, right, It's it's a long journey,

1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:10.640
<v Speaker 3>and when you're a kid, you think it's gonna you

1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.479
<v Speaker 3>just are naive, right, and it's like, oh, I'll play

1:14:13.479 --> 1:14:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Augusta National someday, right Yeah, But then like you know

1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:19.840
<v Speaker 3>in my twenties, Like you know, I just didn't think

1:14:19.880 --> 1:14:22.080
<v Speaker 3>it was ever gonna happen, Like you know what, you know,

1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:26.480
<v Speaker 3>I was just a normal guy working in working in Chicago,

1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:30.280
<v Speaker 3>and and you know, to get this opportunity was so cool.

1:14:30.360 --> 1:14:33.639
<v Speaker 3>So one of the coolest traditions to play it right

1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:38.760
<v Speaker 3>after the right after the Masters was it's just unbelievable.

1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:41.439
<v Speaker 3>And uh, I think, like I think that's the thing

1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:44.960
<v Speaker 3>is I'm just extremely extremely grateful for the uh, the

1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:48.320
<v Speaker 3>chance and and like I mean it's something like I

1:14:48.320 --> 1:14:51.320
<v Speaker 3>don't you know, I I have a weird golf mine.

1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:52.920
<v Speaker 4>My wife drives my wife nuts.

1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I like can remember a shot from you know, I

1:14:56.840 --> 1:14:59.240
<v Speaker 3>can tell you every shot I hit in the twenty

1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:02.000
<v Speaker 3>fourteen State am you know, if we wanted to go

1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:05.360
<v Speaker 3>back to it, and uh and I have this weird memory,

1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.759
<v Speaker 3>but this one like you create these like vivid golf memories,

1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:10.880
<v Speaker 3>and these are gonna be probably the most vivid.

1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:13.799
<v Speaker 4>Golf memories I have. And and I think, you know, listen,

1:15:13.880 --> 1:15:15.960
<v Speaker 4>like a lot of people have been like is it

1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:17.840
<v Speaker 4>your number one? Would you play?

1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Like I think the thing about it is like I

1:15:21.760 --> 1:15:24.840
<v Speaker 3>don't I think it's all the memories of watching the

1:15:24.880 --> 1:15:28.280
<v Speaker 3>tournament over the years, and like, you know, there's something

1:15:28.320 --> 1:15:32.200
<v Speaker 3>about the Masters where it's just I mean, I'm still

1:15:32.240 --> 1:15:34.880
<v Speaker 3>thinking about it because of you know, covering it now.

1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:37.439
<v Speaker 3>It's it's a completely different experience and a little bit

1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I heard it you should you asked Shane about this

1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:43.719
<v Speaker 3>and like I do I do miss like being a fan,

1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't, I don't get Master Sunday, and like

1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:51.519
<v Speaker 3>it's funny because like the memories I had were like

1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:55.839
<v Speaker 3>of like back to like the the early Masters. Yeah,

1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:58.400
<v Speaker 3>that's the stuff I was thinking about. Was like the

1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Masters I watched when I was a kid was what

1:16:00.680 --> 1:16:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I was remembering, almost more so than the you know,

1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like I remember a little bit of Crenshaw.

1:16:09.960 --> 1:16:12.120
<v Speaker 3>My dad was a golfer and my mom picked up

1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:15.360
<v Speaker 3>golf when I was when I was when I started playing,

1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.680
<v Speaker 3>and it's like I remember watching Crenshaw. I wasn't a

1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:22.559
<v Speaker 3>golfer at that point, and and you know, but Faldo

1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:26.439
<v Speaker 3>was my first big memory. It's just I don't know

1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:31.200
<v Speaker 3>that was it was so cool and obviously just a

1:16:31.560 --> 1:16:32.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, lifelong dream.

1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know a lot of what you're saying there

1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:38.960
<v Speaker 2>really resonates with me. Too. I didn't get to play

1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the place, but this was the first time that I

1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.639
<v Speaker 2>visited it, and so I had a lot of the

1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:48.800
<v Speaker 2>same thoughts. You know, I have been a golf fan

1:16:48.880 --> 1:16:51.519
<v Speaker 2>who has watched the Masters every year since I was

1:16:51.640 --> 1:16:54.639
<v Speaker 2>probably nine or ten years old. Those are at least

1:16:54.640 --> 1:16:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the ones that I remember. The Crenshaw Masters actually is

1:16:58.240 --> 1:17:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the earliest one that I remember really vividly, because I

1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:04.360
<v Speaker 2>was a big fan of Ben Crenshawe. I related with him.

1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be like him. I had a putter

1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:08.600
<v Speaker 2>sort of like his. I didn't have the eighty eight

1:17:08.640 --> 1:17:12.040
<v Speaker 2>oh two, but I had a ping Sedona, you know,

1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:15.280
<v Speaker 2>is sort of similar shaped, and I tried to putt

1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:17.840
<v Speaker 2>like him, really kind of risty and flowy, but I

1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:20.720
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't. I couldn't do it. And I just thought

1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:23.800
<v Speaker 2>he was so cool and sort of handsome and well

1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:26.960
<v Speaker 2>spoken and gentlemanly, and seeing him win the Masters and

1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:31.640
<v Speaker 2>break down afterwards and talk about his mentor just had

1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:34.080
<v Speaker 2>a huge impact on me. And so those are the

1:17:34.160 --> 1:17:36.680
<v Speaker 2>kinds of memories that came back to me when I

1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:39.600
<v Speaker 2>visited the place. It wasn't the sort of nuts and

1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:42.760
<v Speaker 2>bolts architecture that we talk about now. I don't want

1:17:42.800 --> 1:17:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to dismiss that. I think that what we focus on

1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:51.720
<v Speaker 2>as journalists or as you know, whatever you want to

1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:56.360
<v Speaker 2>call us, as architecture writers, when we go to Augusta National,

1:17:56.760 --> 1:17:59.880
<v Speaker 2>we want to describe to people, what is it beyond

1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:04.120
<v Speaker 2>the mystique that makes this course great? What are the

1:18:04.160 --> 1:18:08.040
<v Speaker 2>actual things that that you know have have formed this

1:18:08.160 --> 1:18:11.320
<v Speaker 2>course's reputation in the first place. Why is this a

1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:15.800
<v Speaker 2>great golf course beyond all the other stuff that's around it,

1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:18.680
<v Speaker 2>beyond all the pomp and circumstance. That's kind of what

1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.160
<v Speaker 2>we focus on as the fried Egg. Right when we're

1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:24.800
<v Speaker 2>writing about the architecture of Augusta National, we're almost like mythbusting.

1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:27.720
<v Speaker 2>We're kind of getting to the getting to the real

1:18:27.800 --> 1:18:31.400
<v Speaker 2>core of what this golf course is, how it was designed,

1:18:31.720 --> 1:18:34.000
<v Speaker 2>how it's presented, and we see things that are both

1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:37.200
<v Speaker 2>really good and other things that could be improved, other

1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:40.040
<v Speaker 2>things that we would like to see changed. And so

1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:44.120
<v Speaker 2>to say that Augusta National is my favorite golf course

1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:47.280
<v Speaker 2>or your favorite golf course kind of misses it because

1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously we've we've given both praise and critique

1:18:51.240 --> 1:18:53.080
<v Speaker 2>to the golf course, and I think it deserves that.

1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.760
<v Speaker 2>When you strip away all the other stuff, you know,

1:18:56.800 --> 1:18:59.840
<v Speaker 2>what you have is a really really strong golf course

1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:06.600
<v Speaker 2>that does have some weaknesses. But I was struck by

1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:09.320
<v Speaker 2>how little of that really mattered to me on my

1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:13.640
<v Speaker 2>first visit there, and how much I thought of my childhood,

1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:17.679
<v Speaker 2>how much I thought of the really deep past Masters,

1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the ninety seven Masters, which I sort of the final

1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:23.400
<v Speaker 2>round of which I kind of know shot by shot,

1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:26.800
<v Speaker 2>even shots that Tiger Woods didn't hit, even if it

1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:29.160
<v Speaker 2>was like Tom Kite hitting a chip with his little

1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:32.280
<v Speaker 2>lob wedge. You know, I remember those kinds of shots,

1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and that all came rushing back to me, and I

1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:38.519
<v Speaker 2>think that that's not something to shy away from that.

1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:46.439
<v Speaker 2>This course really means something to us as lifelong golf nuts.

1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:50.519
<v Speaker 2>It really it really has an impact being there in

1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:54.320
<v Speaker 2>person that goes beyond the architecture. And I think that

1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it's it's fine to just say that I was wowed

1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:01.080
<v Speaker 2>by it. I was overwhelmed by it. It brought back

1:20:01.640 --> 1:20:07.880
<v Speaker 2>wonderful memories, and I have enormous gratitude forgetting to go

1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:11.800
<v Speaker 2>out there and walk around the place. And again, like you,

1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:13.720
<v Speaker 2>it's something that I didn't expect from my life. You

1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:17.439
<v Speaker 2>know what, five years ago, six years ago, I was

1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:22.200
<v Speaker 2>a high school teacher with no designs whatsoever on becoming

1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:25.040
<v Speaker 2>a golf writer or being on a podcast or doing

1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:28.400
<v Speaker 2>anything of the sort. And now here I find myself.

1:20:29.760 --> 1:20:32.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not young. People don't usually change careers

1:20:32.600 --> 1:20:36.240
<v Speaker 2>in their mid thirties. I did. And all of a sudden,

1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm in a position where I get to be a

1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:42.200
<v Speaker 2>member of the press and go walk around Augusta National

1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and that is really cool.

1:20:45.240 --> 1:20:47.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was such a cool thing.

1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I you know, one like like last thing just about

1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:53.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of along the same lines as that is, Like,

1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:56.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, I played a ton of golf with my

1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:59.439
<v Speaker 3>dad and my mom growing up, right Like that's you know,

1:20:59.479 --> 1:21:01.840
<v Speaker 3>we would go to the municipal golf course and like

1:21:01.880 --> 1:21:04.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times, you know it was with my

1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:07.880
<v Speaker 3>dad on a Saturday afternoon and everything. But one of

1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:11.120
<v Speaker 3>the things, like as I played tournament golf, like the

1:21:11.160 --> 1:21:14.280
<v Speaker 3>first person I'd call after every tournament was my dad

1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:17.360
<v Speaker 3>and we just like talk about what happened, like you know,

1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:19.600
<v Speaker 3>you go through the round and everything, and you know,

1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:22.320
<v Speaker 3>the last few years, I haven't played any tournament golf.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't played a lot of golf with my dad

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<v Speaker 3>or my mom. And you know it's funny because like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll go to sand Hill. We went to sand Hills

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<v Speaker 3>last year twice and then called my dad after that round.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I play a lot of great places. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't call my dad after I play. Like I got

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<v Speaker 3>in the car, I pulled out of the gate and

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<v Speaker 3>the first person I called was my dad, just like.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's just like it was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like the level of what you know that that

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<v Speaker 3>it meant to me.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a good place to wrap up. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you Andy. This episode of the Frida Egg podcast was

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