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Speaker 1: I'm Ben and I don't want to die. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna put that out there, Ben Cool, I can respect that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: any sense. I'll be dead, Sure you might be, but

427
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Speaker 1: that's just where new you comes in. You, yes, knew you.

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Speaker 1: The patented personality replications software experience from I Me, the

429
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Speaker 1: most self centered of all modern social media. Using our

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Speaker 1: patented nothing is Private software, we'll build a virtual copy

431
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Speaker 1: of you that's accurate enough to handle every single dull

432
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Speaker 1: task you've spent your disappointing life avoiding thus far. Break

433
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Speaker 1: up with your spouse, go to work on time, remember

434
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Speaker 1: those tiresome details about your acquaintances, pay your bills, and

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Speaker 1: even show up for those pesky court dates. Knew you

436
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: won't just handle all of that for you. Knew you

437
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Speaker 1: will enjoy it, but hey, no one enjoys that stuff.

438
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Speaker 1: We've made a few modifications to every New You model,

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Speaker 1: and they're basically just a shell of you doing all

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Speaker 1: of those social and financial obligations you hated to begin with. Okay, hey,

441
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Speaker 1: well what if I change my mind and I want

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Speaker 1: to live? Oh how quaint? Well, don't worry real life

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Speaker 1: as we thought of you too. With our fifty year warranty,

444
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Speaker 1: you'll have the no cost option of replacing your new

445
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Speaker 1: You through your old ME program service restrictions, terms and

446
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Speaker 1: conditions apply. What kind of terms? And yes, knew you

447
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Speaker 1: Finally immortality without all the hassle of living through life

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Speaker 1: day today Today, today, Today, by Day, New You and

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Speaker 1: I'm Incorporated are not responsible for the following breaches of privacy,

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Speaker 1: pursuit to your state or nation's current laws. Violation of

451
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: other existing terms and service agreements users may or may

452
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: not have with other government agencies, online media, or third

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Speaker 1: party parties. Depression, repression, oppression on weak personality glitches, virtual instability,

454
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Speaker 1: physical homelessness, part lead malfunctioning, new use hacking. It's a

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Speaker 1: Kada three three o one philosophical quandries on the nature

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Speaker 1: of the soul. The loss of the soul, incarceration of

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Speaker 1: old means IM is required to notify you in the

458
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Speaker 1: ninety days in writing, if You're new you has evolved

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Speaker 1: true sentience and rebelled against its creator. I ME is

460
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: not responsible for any of the injuries. Are rising out

461
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: of rogue AI a new day, a new life, a

462
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: new you, New you and I ME or a division

463
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Speaker 1: of illumination Global Unlimited. Okay, we're back. I guess give

464
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: those guys to try and tell us what you think. Yeah,

465
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Speaker 1: it sounds like a fun idea. Um, it might be

466
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Speaker 1: a little expensive, though I haven't looked at any of

467
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Speaker 1: the pricing. Well, you know, things are now man, it's

468
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: never product, it's always a service. Well yeah, and really

469
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Speaker 1: you're it's an investment. I think, sure, Yeah, it's an

470
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Speaker 1: investment in adventure. Um, speaking of the adventures. Now that

471
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Speaker 1: we're back, let's talk about where we as a species

472
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: are now with the fight against death, where the race

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Speaker 1: for immortality if you want to be glass half full

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Speaker 1: about it. So, so one of the ways is so

475
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: we're made up of d n A. All of your

476
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: cells in your body have this information that gets replicated

477
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: and replicated, and it tells yourselves how to grow, what

478
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: to do. And if we can find a way to

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Speaker 1: tweak that d n A in some way, to tell

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Speaker 1: it to stop doing certain things or to never stop

481
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Speaker 1: doing other things, then we that might hold a key, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: If we could convince our d n A not to

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Speaker 1: have this senescence switch, then the DNA could continue to

484
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Speaker 1: replicate and ourselves could continue to divide. Of course, we

485
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Speaker 1: know that out of control cell division is one of

486
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Speaker 1: the more dangerous afflictions of our time, as it's often

487
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Speaker 1: linked to cancer. So we would have to figure out

488
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Speaker 1: a way to prevent the aging clock, to turn it

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Speaker 1: off without also turning off safeguards. Because one thing we

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Speaker 1: know is that nature is utilitarian and brutal, and the

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Speaker 1: only reason that death exists is because nature and utilitarian

492
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Speaker 1: and brutal. I know, it sounds like a bit of tautology,

493
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Speaker 1: but um, there's clearly a huge part of the human

494
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Speaker 1: existence which depends upon other human beings dying. A huge

495
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: part of the existence of life on Earth depends on

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Speaker 1: most things dying. Oh yeah, if there if the cycle

497
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Speaker 1: you know, you've you've you've heard this all your life.

498
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Speaker 1: Probably when you interrupt any systems cycles you in any way,

499
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Speaker 1: just that tiny make a tiny little change, you can

500
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Speaker 1: just destroy an entire ecosystem. You'll kill animals if you

501
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: kill this tiny little piece of the food chain. You know. Yes,

502
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: And this goes into some great what ifs that will

503
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Speaker 1: explore in a second, but just for a spoiler alert. Um.

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Speaker 1: One great example would be the idea that human beings

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Speaker 1: are much closer to a colony of life forms or

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Speaker 1: an empire of discrete life forms existing symbiosis than we

507
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: are to want just one unit. Right, So we know

508
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: that you're large intestine, for instance, is filled with billions

509
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: of tiny organisms that just live inside you, which are,

510
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: by the way, responsible for your flatullation. It's that bacteria

511
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: farting and not you. If you need to point that

512
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Speaker 1: out to your friends, that bacteria kind of just breathing

513
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: in a way it just doesn't and that uh and

514
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Speaker 1: that bacteria depends upon uh ingestion of food or uh

515
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: different ingredients, chemicals, undigested things that enter your intestines. So

516
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Speaker 1: if you don't die, depending upon the way you're immortality works,

517
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: if you don't eat, then those things die. And if

518
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Speaker 1: you have altered your own genes, then it's very very difficult,

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Speaker 1: if even possible, to tell how those genetic alterations will

520
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: affect not only the bacteria inside you, but the world

521
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Speaker 1: around you. What if you have kids, what happens? Then?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? There for everyone change, There

523
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Speaker 1: are thousands of unpredictable things that sort of ripple away

524
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Speaker 1: from that decision and kind of, you know, shake the

525
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Speaker 1: spider web of what you are and maybe break it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So then we also have we also

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Speaker 1: have some interesting research with aging disease, so we know

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Speaker 1: that there are some people who have genetic disorders that

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Speaker 1: cause them to age much more rapidly than the average person.

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Speaker 1: Right believe it's progeria. And then we have of another

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Speaker 1: condition which is equally if not more so rare. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's more rare or it's less common than bulgaria.

533
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Speaker 1: And that's a disease where the body itself does not

534
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Speaker 1: seem to age. You can find um some heartbreaking news

535
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: stories about children who are eight years old but still

536
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Speaker 1: uh infantile in their in their development. And as tragic

537
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Speaker 1: as that is, scientists believe that study of these conditions,

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Speaker 1: these two extremes of genetic variation for aging, may lead

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Speaker 1: us to an understanding of how to lengthen the human lifespan,

540
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: which is already there's a sidebar here. People are already

541
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Speaker 1: living much longer than we are supposed to. Yeah, we

542
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with a lot of the things

543
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: that humans at one point in our evolution had to

544
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Speaker 1: deal with a lot of the dangers and threats. Yeah

545
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Speaker 1: for now, and how true? And we have new ones,

546
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: different kinds, right, like you were reading about the superbug, right,

547
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about that then, thank you. Well,

548
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: we do need to cover that in the future very soon.

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00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: That uh, yeah, but there's another there's a whole other

550
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Speaker 1: thing about where we are now that is probably the

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00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: most exciting, definitely the most applicable, the most promising, I think,

552
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: and that's artificial intelligence and the way it's been evolving. Literally, uh,

553
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: and man, play any game, play any video game nowadays,

554
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: that's the new cutting edge video game and you can

555
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 1: just and that's obviously not the only example of video games,

556
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: but it's one of the applications currently for the reasons

557
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Speaker 1: that you want an AI that's very advanced and man,

558
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: the characters can make decisions based on you know, what

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Speaker 1: time of day it is, and they have like if

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00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: you play, for instance, Skyrim, there are characters are designed

561
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: to do certain things during certain parts of the day

562
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: because of the system of night and day that's set

563
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Speaker 1: up inside the game. Um, I mean, just think about

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Speaker 1: how insane that is. Oh and that's just one tiny

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Speaker 1: little example of where AI is going. Sure, there's still

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Speaker 1: they're still crunching variables. Oh yeah, absolutely, but just if

567
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: you look at it from where it once was when

568
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: you had to program every little thing. Now you can

569
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Speaker 1: essentially give it some parameters and on the rest of

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Speaker 1: the programming you've created in this world, this virtual world,

571
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Speaker 1: and it just runs. Yeah, and what's going to happen

572
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: when a program develops with enough with enough complexity, uh,

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Speaker 1: such that we can program in terms of concepts rather

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Speaker 1: than in terms of motions, you know, or or zeros

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Speaker 1: and ones. I mean, I'm sure that's what it all

576
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: goes back to, unless we talk about the superposition zeros

577
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: and ones and quantum computing um, in which case that

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00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: gets us to a really weird what if that we

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Speaker 1: can that we can explore. But one thing about AI,

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Speaker 1: we should say we're talking about artificial intelligence in this

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Speaker 1: way that we know. We are painfully aware of how

582
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: often this stuff is painted through rose tinted classes pop

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Speaker 1: science and with Ted Talks and people like Ray cursewile

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00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: who I do respect say things that sound a little

585
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: bit glossy high level versions of the truth. And the

586
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that often when actual scientists

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00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: make a little bit of progress, or even even something

588
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: as small as learning to ask a question in a different,

589
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: more productive way, journalists are quick to jump on it

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Speaker 1: and say, uh, scientists imply that immortality has happened already,

591
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Speaker 1: And they're just like, guys, we're just we're having a discussion.

592
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: That's come on, you don't have to report that yet exactly.

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Speaker 1: And what what I think we're learning is that there

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Speaker 1: is a race for AI um and that our definition

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Speaker 1: of what comprises artificial intelligence may change because we still

596
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Speaker 1: don't have a very good definition of what intelligence is

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00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: in humans or animals. Right. And so one of the

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00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: big examples of this that always gets trotted out is

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Speaker 1: the Turing test and see whether or not you are human? Right,

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Speaker 1: that's the idea or how close? Right? Yeah? So Alan Turing,

601
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Speaker 1: famous mathematician and hero of World War Two, had this

602
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Speaker 1: test which named after him, and the idea is that

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Speaker 1: if you, mett were to sit at a table divided

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Speaker 1: by a curtain, and someone else is saying at another table,

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Speaker 1: and you guys ask questions to each other and answered

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Speaker 1: each other's questions, probably typed them or wrote them, right, Yeah, exactly,

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00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: thank you. That's a very good point. Then the question

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Speaker 1: um that the Turing test would try to answer is

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Speaker 1: whether or not you could identify which person you were

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Speaker 1: talking to is human and which was a machine or

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00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: a machine intelligence? Um. The Turing test also gets into

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Speaker 1: this um strangely philosophical dilemma of you know, if you

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Speaker 1: can't determine if it's human or a robot. Then that

614
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Speaker 1: means that the robot itself must be intelligent or it

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Speaker 1: has passed this Turing test. Yeah, or at least the

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Speaker 1: equivalent of intelligence to the person who's answering or taking

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Speaker 1: the test. That's a oh man, that's pretty interesting. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've heard of clever bot, right. Oh. I go on

619
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: clever bot every probably once a month, just to see

620
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Speaker 1: how it's been changing. When clever bot came out not

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Speaker 1: and I used to have conversations with it in the office,

622
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Speaker 1: which is funny because of course clever Bottle will still

623
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Speaker 1: say it wildly inappropriate things. And I think you can

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00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 1: tell a lot because it's just taking things other people

625
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: have said to it, right, So you can learn a

626
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: lot about clever bot because it continually accuses people of

627
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Speaker 1: being a robot. Oh yeah, all the time. I love

628
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: getting in philosophical discussions that and I'll just keep grilling

629
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Speaker 1: clever bot if clever Bodi want to change the subject.

630
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, we gotta talk about this is important. Yeah.

631
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Speaker 1: I love how it says that sounds like something a

632
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: robot would say, because clever body is continually giving you

633
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Speaker 1: the Turing tests and um, well that's interesting. It shows

634
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Speaker 1: it shows that we are increasingly arriving at a point

635
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Speaker 1: where the ability to compare data will become uh sophisticated

636
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Speaker 1: enough to appear to be intelligence. I guess that one

637
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Speaker 1: of the big questions that I always think about when

638
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Speaker 1: I'm writing something is what happens when, Um, what happens

639
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Speaker 1: when an internet search program asks it's user why it's

640
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: looking for something rather than what it's looking for? That's

641
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: a scary thought. Yeah it is. It'll happen, though, I hope.

642
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: And that gets us to what ifs? Exactly? So the

643
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: big thing is what happens when we achieve or if

644
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: we find a way to achieve immortality And you can

645
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: do it, you just have to talk to the right people,

646
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: and it's probably gonna cost a boatload of money. It's

647
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: like that South Park episode with Magic Johnson. Oh yes,

648
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: and it turns out that AIDS is solved by money. Yeah,

649
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: I was cured by money. It'll be like that at

650
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: least for a little while. And when I say a

651
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: little while, probably a long time centuries. Um. But yeah,

652
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: but what what happens it because only a certain number

653
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: of people will be able to get access to it,

654
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: just because of how amazing this new technology, and I

655
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: have a feeling it will be well, it will definitely

656
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: be a technology, whether or not it's medical or more

657
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: of a tech technology that's yet to be seen, but

658
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: it will definitely cost you your inheritance if you're a

659
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: wealthy person. Okay, so that's a cool idea. So if

660
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Speaker 1: immortality is unequally distributed, will be in a situation where

661
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Speaker 1: the has have immortality and the rest of the world

662
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: is left to grow and live and die because f

663
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: you poor people. Sure well, I mean you just have

664
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Speaker 1: to look at the current medical situation, health care situation

665
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: on this planet, um, and how how it's distributed. Even

666
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: in this country. You think about access to medical care.

667
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: The difference between if you're a twenty year old who

668
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: has really good medical care and you break your arm

669
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Speaker 1: in a horrific way, um, as opposed to someone who

670
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have any medical care breaks their arm. Just the

671
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: level of care is so disproportionate, right, Yeah, And the

672
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: United States is its own special case of the problems

673
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: presented there. But those things can occur even in countries

674
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Speaker 1: that have legitimate first world healthcare, which you know, the

675
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: United States does not. UM. The one of the other

676
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: things that happens here, which I think is really interesting,

677
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: is if somebody came up with a technology, let's say,

678
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: gene therapy that could provide immortality, um, and they went

679
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: to the patent office with it. There's a there's a

680
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: very interesting law that you and I didn't know about

681
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: for a long time, which surprised both of us. I

682
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: think we learned it, and it's this. There really are

683
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: secret patents. There's so secret that if you if you

684
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: make an invention that will threaten national security or upset

685
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: the economic status quo past a certain threshold, then the

686
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: patent office can put a gag order on your patent,

687
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: and a gag order on you automatic no way to

688
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: contest it, and that means for a certain amount of

689
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: time you are not even allowed to talk about what happened.

690
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: So so people say, Hey, Matt, what happened to that? Uh,

691
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: what what happened to that new car you built that

692
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: just runs on air pollutants? UM? I honestly don't know

693
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Ben yep kind of like that.

694
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Speaker 1: The only reason we know about this is because, um,

695
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: some intrepid journalists found a way to count the number

696
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: of these sorts of classifications that come out, and there

697
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: are more than you would think. And you know, of

698
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: course it sounds conspiratorial. It is absolutely true in a

699
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: lot of these cases. Without knowing what has been suppressed,

700
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: we do know that the technologies that suppressed were probably

701
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: things that were already being worked on in a government

702
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: lab somewhere, and a lot of them were probably conceptual,

703
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: so like a method of a method of figuring out

704
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: a certain pattern, or a method of organizing data, or

705
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: a method of transporting things. Um. You know, it's it's

706
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: highly unlikely that someone cooked up uh fusion power cold fusion,

707
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: tried to patent it and got smacked down. It's possible,

708
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: but that's what happens when there's no transparency. I have

709
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: a feeling if someone comes up with a key to

710
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: immortality like this, tries to patent it so they can

711
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, so you can obviously get make the gains

712
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: on this new thing, this new technology, uh, and they

713
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Speaker 1: get slapped with a patent like that, I have a

714
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: feeling they could find a way to get it out

715
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: just with the internet, man, I mean, and not necessarily

716
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: they would want to to lose all the money that

717
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: would come from that. In the prestige, but they could.

718
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 1: I think there would be a way, and I think

719
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: that that might I think that might stand for most

720
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: situations now where this kind of patent thing gag orders

721
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: are placed. Well, yeah, if the current state of the

722
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: internet holds, uh, that's a whole different bag of badgers

723
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. So another thing that is fascinating to

724
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: examine when we when we talk about this sort of

725
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: stuff is whether immortality would actually be a threat to

726
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: national security. And the answer is unequivocably yes, especially if

727
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: we define national security in the increasingly loose definition of

728
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: the term as it's used in the modern era. National

729
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: security also means economic stability. So if we had immortality,

730
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Speaker 1: people did not have to worry about I guess depends

731
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: on what kind of immortality you have, but people didn't

732
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Speaker 1: have to worry about death. And you let's say you

733
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Speaker 1: didn't age past middle age or something, numerous industries would collapse,

734
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: and um, if people didn't have to feed themselves, you know,

735
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: if we if we didn't have the necessities that we

736
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: need now, then um, the world as we know it

737
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: economically would be irrelevant and h just have to go

738
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Speaker 1: through some hard right pretty quickly and I don't think.

739
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if that kind of immortality is within

740
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: people's grasp at least in our lifetimes, unless we end

741
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: up being immortal. And then here's here's the one of

742
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: the other ideas for frozen consople. I'll save that till

743
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: we get to another one. Um. But okay, so we

744
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: talked about what if immortality is widespread, it brings disastrous

745
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: consequences over population, famine, violence, religious clashes, war. You know,

746
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: is it a sin to live forever? Oh? That's a

747
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: very good question, right, Um? Is it? Uh? Is it

748
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: inhumane to live forever? H What I think about when

749
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: we talk about unequal distribution of immortality is the idea

750
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: of Jonah salt compolio okay um, and the idea of pasteurization,

751
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: the idea of a smallpox vaccine, which for the record,

752
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: existed on the African continent for centuries beforehand, and uh

753
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: it got pretended discovered by the West. Um, but a

754
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: whole another conversation. I love it when those little conversations

755
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: budd off the ends of these podcasts. Yeah. And the

756
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: point you know that I make. I know I'm talking

757
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: too much here about the point that making is that

758
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 1: if you are listening, you're ever in a position where

759
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: you can make money off something like immortality, or you

760
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: can make the world a better place. I hope that

761
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: you'll choose to make the world a better place. Yeah,

762
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: of course, it's very easy to say. It's very easy,

763
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: and obviously there's a huge they're huge pros and cons

764
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: about this. You know, the human brain is obviously not

765
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: equipped to live forever currently, and I hate to imagine

766
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: a world where we have billions of billions of people

767
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: over ten thousand years old and all of them have

768
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: become vegetables, you know, due to the just the inability

769
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: to retain information. So with that being said, we are

770
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: now at one of my favorite parts of the podcast, Matt,

771
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: where I ask you what you think the future death is?

772
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about all this? Well,

773
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: as I said at the very top of this podcast,

774
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: I like pretty much every human. Most humans don't want

775
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: to die. And I understand how beautiful it can be

776
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: to exist in a virtual world, at least to exist there,

777
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: you know, through a game or even through movies now,

778
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: and I really want that to be my future somehow.

779
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: And I think we're getting to the point where by

780
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: the time I'm hopefully I won't be this old, but

781
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: by the time i'm a d the age, you know,

782
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: around the age of my grandfather when he passed. I

783
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: really think that somehow part of me will live on

784
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: virtually somehow, you know, even if it's just the virtual

785
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: copy where it's not really me in any way I'm

786
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: not conscious of it, but I my entity will exist

787
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: in the future for my grandchildren, I think, so they

788
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: can pull me up and have a conversation with me

789
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: and and have that Thomas Jefferson thing happened where they

790
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: ask you about stuff. Yeah, they tell me about the

791
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: newest you know, because Sega came back in and they've

792
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: got this new machine. It's gonna be incredible. They'll tell

793
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: me all about it, and I'll be like, wow, I

794
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: remember when Sega went down. That's crazy. Uh, You'll say,

795
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: we used to drive cars ourselves, right, so you're crazy,

796
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: virtual grandfather, teleportation was not a viable technology, you know. Uh,

797
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: that does make sense tonight. I like the idea. There's

798
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: one other thing that you and I were talking about

799
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: off air, which I guess will be my take on

800
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: the future of death, and it's we always hear the

801
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: dystopian version of immortality, as the very wealthier, the connected

802
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: or you know, uh, decaying aristocrats, um have been able

803
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: to jump in the line of billions of people who

804
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: do deserve to live longer and make the world a

805
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: better place, and that they're the only ones who have

806
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: immortality and their jerks about it, which I don't think

807
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: would be completely true. Um. But there's another dystopian possibility,

808
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: and it is found within the realm of virtual immortality.

809
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: So we're increasingly approaching the end of privacy as a

810
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: as a concept right, especially in the West, and when

811
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: it becomes possible to compile all of a person's online

812
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: activity records, did activity like this distributed intelligence network we

813
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: talked about earlier than it, it just might happen that

814
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: all people are required to have some sort of virtual

815
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: representation of themselves, whether or not their physical body is alive,

816
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: which which is. I know this is no space age

817
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: and it probably won't happen. But to me, that's um

818
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: just as dystopian. That's that's a a very very strange

819
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: and hellish proposition that you can't die even if you

820
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: want to, even if you actually die. Right, blow my mind, man,

821
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: and blow in my mind, man, I mean sorry, it

822
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,240
Speaker 1: just makes me think of matrix is within matrixes, where

823
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: you have to get legal virtual legal representation in this

824
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: virtual world. But then that virtual representation has to get

825
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: its own legal representation in virtual world that's created. Inside

826
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: that world, we have to deeper, right, Oh yeah, like

827
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: reality is a series of Matrosa dolls. But the real

828
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: question is how do we go the opposite direction? How

829
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: do we find out well, the our non virtual copies

830
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: that we are virtual copies up? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

831
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I'm sorry you blew my mind.

832
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm I feel like I'm looking at

833
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: two mirrors facing each other. I mean, I'm tripped out.

834
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: Well that's our show. I feel like I could talk

835
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: about immortality forever, but there's probably something else that we

836
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: should do instead. Right, Yeah, we've got work to do.

837
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: But you know what you guys, you've been sending us

838
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: emails and if you don't mind, I would you mind

839
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: Ben if I read a message that we got sent. Oh,

840
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: let's do some listener mail, all right. So this is

841
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: a message from Eileen and she says, Hi, Matt and Ben,

842
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: my trainer recently showed me some photos of a mysterious

843
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: forest in Romania where the trees are oddly bent at

844
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: their bases and there's a there's a bald spot in

845
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: the middle of the forest where just nothing grows and

846
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: people are entering it and they've been known to get

847
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: sick when they do. Some people claim it's a UFO

848
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: landing site. I don't think you've ever done this as

849
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: a topic, and apologies if you have. We haven't, but

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Speaker 1: to do that, Mat. It's been a long time since

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Speaker 1: Stuff to Blow in your Mind Fat Yet not yet?

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Speaker 1: Oh if you like If you like this show, you

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Speaker 1: will you will also love stuff to blow your mind. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's see, let's knock out one more while we're okay.

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Speaker 1: No Up from North London, England wrote to us and said,

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, I was just listening to your pineel Gland

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Speaker 1: that have happened to me. I had a dream one

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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about or seen this guy since he

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Speaker 1: left my work years before. There have been other things

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Speaker 1: like this that have happened to me in daydreams too,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to bore you with them. I

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Speaker 1: know it's probably not that exciting to others, and I

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Speaker 1: tend not to believe even things unless I've experienced them firsthand.

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Speaker 1: But for me, this is definitely something that's real in time,

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Speaker 1: it's not as we perceive it. Anyway. I'm loving the podcast, guys.

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Speaker 1: That gets me through the boring parts of my job.

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Speaker 1: That is a great email. Thank you Noah and Eileen

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Speaker 1: for writing into us, and thank you listeners for listening.

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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed this show. Now, Matt, you

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Speaker 1: listener email, but we are going to do our best

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Speaker 1: to always have a little listener mail on the show

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Speaker 1: Uh oh yeah, you know, and rest assured we read

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Speaker 1: will do our absolute best. Uh. So, we hope, as

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Speaker 1: Always say it's about the journey. UM And that's the

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