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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Welcome everyone to Forward Thinking the Audio Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jonathan Strickling. I'm one of the three

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<v Speaker 1>amazing hosts of the show. Hi, I'm Lauren foc Obam,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe McCormick. They are equally amazing but modest. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to talk a little bit more about autonomous cars,

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<v Speaker 1>and for people who haven't heard the previous episodes or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe aren't familiar with the subject, Joe, why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of explain what an autonomous car is. An autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>car is basically exactly what it sounds like. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>car that is autonomous, which means that it drives itself.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get up in the morning and you get

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<v Speaker 1>ready for work, and you go out, and you hop

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<v Speaker 1>in your car, and you close the door, and you

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<v Speaker 1>pop out a book and start to read um and

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<v Speaker 1>the car takes you to work without any controller input

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<v Speaker 1>from you. You don't need to have your hands on

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<v Speaker 1>the steering wheel, you don't need to have your foot

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<v Speaker 1>on the brakes, you don't need to be watching the traffic,

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, managing your chance to get out

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<v Speaker 1>here on the road at the car drives itself. And

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds like I'm amazing, wonderful, beautiful future to people

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<v Speaker 1>like me. Yeah, because I hate navigating traffic. And if

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<v Speaker 1>I could just get in a car and and sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and read a book on the way to work

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't I can't tell you how much I

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<v Speaker 1>would love that. Yeah, as someone who does not drive,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be a surprise to some people, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't drive. I would welcome a robot car overlord into

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<v Speaker 1>my life happily so that I could get around without

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<v Speaker 1>having to either take a very long walk to the

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<v Speaker 1>closest train station, which which I do. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not terrible. There are worse things to have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Or I would have to depend upon the

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<v Speaker 1>kindness of my friends who would give me a ride,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really don't like doing that because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want them to have to go out of their way

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<v Speaker 1>just for me. Right, So I'm also very much looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to this where I could have potentially a car

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<v Speaker 1>I could just jump into and say, hey, take me

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<v Speaker 1>to such and such, and the only one who's, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenience is a robot and who cares about them, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little bit dubious about it, honestly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm excited about the prospect because you know, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>we live in Atlanta. We don't really have terrific public transportation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is normally the kind of place where you can

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<v Speaker 1>hop in a vehicle and read a book and not

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about the actual controlling the vehicle part um.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I would I would need

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of research and possibly into anxiety medication to

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<v Speaker 1>give up that kind of control to a to a robot.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you know, I don't know that robot. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where it matriculated. Okay, that's fair. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's something we really wanted to talk about in

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, is there are people who might have anxiety

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<v Speaker 1>issues about giving up control. That's perfectly legitimate. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to, you know, disparage people who have that. I

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<v Speaker 1>I have my own hang ups, obviously. I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>don't drive, and the reason I don't drive is because

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<v Speaker 1>I get severe anxiety behind the wheel of a car.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have no problem with someone who gets severe

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety with the idea of no one being behind the

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<v Speaker 1>wheel of the car. But beyond that we also have,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in America, but I imagine in other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world as well, this sort of relationship between the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of driving a car and the whole concept of

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<v Speaker 1>free will and taking charge of your life and being

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<v Speaker 1>able to have the freedom to go wherever you want,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever you want. And there are some views of the

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous car that seemed to suggest that you can't have

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<v Speaker 1>one and the other that you by having the autonomous

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<v Speaker 1>car model, you give up this part of what it

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<v Speaker 1>is to to be part of the car culture. UM

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<v Speaker 1>and an American particular car culture is a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>We we met before the podcast to kind of talk

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<v Speaker 1>this over, and Lauren, you made a really good point.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't have a car in America, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a whole lot of options of getting around, especially

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<v Speaker 1>on the longer distances. Yeah, there's you know, lots of

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<v Speaker 1>places in Europe have really great trains that can take

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<v Speaker 1>you very fast anywhere that you want to go, um

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<v Speaker 1>or or you know, if you happen to live in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City or San Francisco or a place that

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<v Speaker 1>has a really good metro, then that's terrific. But here

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<v Speaker 1>in America, we've we've kind of built our country from

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<v Speaker 1>from the end of World War two on on this

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<v Speaker 1>concept of of of cars, of the individual motor vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>and and just getting in and going. And it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>this very sexy, very stylized, filmic epic idea. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about the individual. I mean that's again another very

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<v Speaker 1>American kind of ideas that you know, put put that

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<v Speaker 1>focus on the individual. And people have a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>their cars to sure. I mean a lot of that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to come from the act of driving. That you're

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<v Speaker 1>spending so much time really manipulating this vehicle, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're using all the controls on it and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, people name in their car. Yeah, I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>named my car. I mean, you know, and I do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do enjoy driving, you know, not in traffic.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy driving perhaps at night when there's no one

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<v Speaker 1>else on the road. But yeah, yeah, I can't even

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that to me, the idea of enjoying driving. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand where people are coming from with it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's something I don't identify with it all on a

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<v Speaker 1>personal level. And yeah, you're you're exactly right, Joe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when you spend that much time manipulating something, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but form an emotional attachment to it. My wife

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<v Speaker 1>and I are a perfect example of that. She spent

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<v Speaker 1>years manipulating me, and clearly the emotional ties are tight

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<v Speaker 1>or or like the weighted companion cube, I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that cube. Okay, that's another good point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm making light of it, but no, it really

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<v Speaker 1>is true that there are relationships with these vehicles. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think part of the problem some people have with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of the autonomous car is they seem to

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<v Speaker 1>think that we're going to enter into a world where

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<v Speaker 1>we no longer have any control. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's ever going to happen. I think that there's always

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<v Speaker 1>going to be at least a fail safe option to

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<v Speaker 1>switch to manual control. And because of that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that in order to be behind the wheel of an

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous car, even if it's an autonomous mode, you would

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a licensed driver. I can't imagine we

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<v Speaker 1>ever get to a point where it will be all

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<v Speaker 1>right for a group of human beings to get into

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle, none of whom have a license and just go, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think that's going to happen. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of hope that someday the technology gets to

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<v Speaker 1>that point, because how how wonderful would it be for

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<v Speaker 1>someone who is physically or visually impaired, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who suffered from strokes or for any other reason was

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<v Speaker 1>was not capable of getting a driver's license. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be completely fabulous to have cars for for that segment

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<v Speaker 1>of the opulation. Yeah, they have way more autonomy over

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<v Speaker 1>their own lives. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it would

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<v Speaker 1>be it would be great. But you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>right now. The technology is certainly not anywhere near there yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and and everything is is very much so like you

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<v Speaker 1>could read a book, but maybe you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to what the car is doing, just in

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<v Speaker 1>case something goes terribly terribly wrong. Right yeah, right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say they were pretty far along in the

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<v Speaker 1>prototype stage. Obviously, we're not very far into the seeing

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<v Speaker 1>it roll out into cars that consumers would have access to.

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<v Speaker 1>But the prototype stage, we've already seen cars manipulate their

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<v Speaker 1>ways through various city scales, particularly things like San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Google has their fleet of autonomous cars. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been working on for a couple of years, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>been going through Mountain View, California, which is right there

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<v Speaker 1>around the San Francisco area that can be a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>congested part of the United States. So they've already started

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<v Speaker 1>to prove themselves. And I think there has only been

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of accidents that have involved the Google cars,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you look at them in comparison to the

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<v Speaker 1>number of accidents that happen with human drivers, it's tiny

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and we would imagine that that number would

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<v Speaker 1>go lower even more as the technology advances and gets

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<v Speaker 1>even more precise. Um, I think we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>some people definitely put up a bit of a resistance

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea of adapting to autonomous cars. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we do eventually reach a future where it's the only

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<v Speaker 1>way you can buy a car as if it's an

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous car, unless it's maybe on the used car market. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it may someday just be a safety issue, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You can imagine a future where we have a member

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress standing up in front of the house, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at a chart this many percentage of accidents are

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<v Speaker 1>caused by human error we know that, right now. What

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<v Speaker 1>do they say about it? All depends on the survey

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<v Speaker 1>you read. But yeah, yeah, the National Highway Traffic Safety

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<v Speaker 1>Administrations as about that's the overwhelming majority of accidents have

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<v Speaker 1>human error as at least a contributing factor. These human

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<v Speaker 1>drivers are a menace. They are I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they threaten all of us. Let's let's take them out

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<v Speaker 1>of the equation and put robots in charge. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that that sort of thing could happen. I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that it would be very difficult for any politician to

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<v Speaker 1>to float that by because they have to answer to

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<v Speaker 1>their constituents. Like it's hard for me to imagine in

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<v Speaker 1>America where people are willingly giving up that ability to

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<v Speaker 1>share drive. Uh and Joe, you you brought up another

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<v Speaker 1>good point about how this could affect people who tinker

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<v Speaker 1>with cars, who like to manipulate cars. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when we get to a point where the cars

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<v Speaker 1>are so advanced that they are beyond the ken of

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<v Speaker 1>your average hobbyist mechanic. Oh yeah, a good friend of mine,

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<v Speaker 1>he has an old Mercedes from the seventies, and he

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<v Speaker 1>takes it apart and puts it back together all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's always working on it. I somehow doubt

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<v Speaker 1>that that's something that you could have the same level

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<v Speaker 1>of confidence doing with the car that that requires all

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<v Speaker 1>this intense computing. And well, I think that eventually it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to turn into the kind of issue where it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's that's going to be the realm of hobbyists. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean much the same way that that these days, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a civic y'all. I mean like like I take

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<v Speaker 1>it to a mechanic who I trust, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how that car works, quite honestly. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for people like your friend, they could probably still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>find the parts and put together their car and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>take it out to can rent time and a track.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, if you want to go out and and

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<v Speaker 1>race your car, that would be pretty silly for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I can get it all up to all

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<v Speaker 1>of like nur, but uh not that I would know

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<v Speaker 1>that from from driving on My Sally starts to shake.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you can ease it paste, it's smooth salon.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, it's just going to I would suspect enter

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of of hobby Yeah, well, well, will we

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<v Speaker 1>see a convergence of the auto shop tinkerer and the

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<v Speaker 1>computer hacker. That's a possibility. I mean, you know, again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about something that is so important when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the safety of the person who's sitting there,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there there's there are two arguments to have,

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<v Speaker 1>right There's an argument of you shouldn't mess with it

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<v Speaker 1>because it could mean that you're risking your life. The

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<v Speaker 1>other argument is, who's to say that the hacker isn't

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<v Speaker 1>better at designing a system that is safe than the

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<v Speaker 1>company is, because we've seen hackers design things that ended

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<v Speaker 1>up making huge improvements to products and uh, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's an argument that's going that's well, it's being

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<v Speaker 1>made in all sorts of industries, but I'm sure in

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<v Speaker 1>the car industry it will be way up there because

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about something that's not just a symbol of freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>but is a very powerful machine that could be potentially dangerous. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a good point. It's an interesting question,

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<v Speaker 1>especially I can imagine modifications coming in if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have competing proprietary navigation software, like different car manufacturers

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<v Speaker 1>have their own software that they own and control and

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<v Speaker 1>is not open source. I mean I can see that

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<v Speaker 1>being scary. Yeah, I wonder if that's even going to

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<v Speaker 1>be possible the way that I mean, because it's all

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to interact with it with an infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>with an internet of objects around cities that help cars

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<v Speaker 1>decide where to go and when to go. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that the ultimate build out of the autonomous car

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<v Speaker 1>goes beyond the autonomous car. It goes into that internet

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<v Speaker 1>of things that we've talked about in the past, this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that you have sensors and and and devices that

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<v Speaker 1>can react to real time dynamic situations and changed based

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<v Speaker 1>upon that, and that the autonomous car would play a

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<v Speaker 1>part in this larger system. And in that case, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have to require that everyone used at least

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<v Speaker 1>something that can interface with the larger infrastructure. But then

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<v Speaker 1>even then, you know, how are you going to build

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<v Speaker 1>that infrastructure. Are you going to have it so that

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<v Speaker 1>every single major metropolitan area has to roll it out

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, because if you don't, one city's infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>could be very different from another city's infrastructure. I drive

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<v Speaker 1>from Miami to Atlanta. Yeah, but these are these are

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<v Speaker 1>some problems that we don't have the answers to yet

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<v Speaker 1>because we aren't there yet. But again, it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things that we have to think about because it

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<v Speaker 1>could very well be that as you're getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>outskirts of a city, your car starts to slow down,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reason your car is slowing down is because

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually downloading the latest update. It needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to navigate through the next city because it's a

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<v Speaker 1>totally different operating system that's there's on this road. It's right,

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<v Speaker 1>could be could be had like warning lag ahead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we joke about it, but really, unless you have a

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<v Speaker 1>truly open source approach, or maybe not even open source,

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<v Speaker 1>just standardized, a standardized approach across all manufacturers in all cities.

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<v Speaker 1>Traffic protocol. Yeah, you're just yeah, exactly, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>its own kind of it would be literally traffic protocol.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be that that kind of a system that

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<v Speaker 1>would tell cars how to get through certain areas. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that has to be thought about. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a question that I thought would be interesting, Hit Majo.

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<v Speaker 1>If we have autonomous cars, how efficient can we get

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of all the driving we do. Imagine it's

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday morning and I've got six errands I need to

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<v Speaker 1>run today, Can my autonomous car solve the traveling salesman

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<v Speaker 1>problem and figure out what is the most efficient way

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<v Speaker 1>to get to all six of those different places I

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<v Speaker 1>need to go? Joe has just posed what is called

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<v Speaker 1>a non trivial pro problem, the traveling salesman problem. For

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<v Speaker 1>those of you who aren't aware, it's exactly what Joe

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<v Speaker 1>is saying. It's the ideas, it's a traveling salesman who

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<v Speaker 1>has to visit, you know, a certain number of cities,

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<v Speaker 1>and how do you plan out the most efficient route

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<v Speaker 1>between all those cities and back home so that the

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<v Speaker 1>traveling salesman spends the least amount of time traveling And

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<v Speaker 1>it's it sounds simple, but as you add destinations, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets increasingly complex because you have to take into account

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<v Speaker 1>all the different variations that could occur within that group

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<v Speaker 1>of of stops. And then we add traffic into the mix. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you start adding in dynamic elements, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you've really caused some some real uh computer headaches, computer headaches. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for a classic computer using a regular processor. The

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<v Speaker 1>way this works is that the classic computer will work

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<v Speaker 1>out one set of those variables and come up with

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<v Speaker 1>an answer and then it will go to the next

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<v Speaker 1>set of those variables, like the next arrangement of those stops,

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<v Speaker 1>and it will do that for every single variation it

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<v Speaker 1>can until it's all done, and then it will compare

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<v Speaker 1>are all of those times against each other to determine

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<v Speaker 1>the right amount, the right the right version. In which

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<v Speaker 1>case what you should do is, uh, the Saturday before

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<v Speaker 1>your Saturday when you are going to go on these

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<v Speaker 1>these errands, you tell your car what you're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>in a week and give your car a week to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out. And even then, with a classic computer,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about thousands and thousands of hours of computing

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with these answers, even with the fastest

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<v Speaker 1>processors we have today. Now, if you were to switch

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<v Speaker 1>that to a parallel processor like a graphics processing unit,

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<v Speaker 1>then you can do lots of calculations in parallel with

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<v Speaker 1>each other, come up with a bunch of answers at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. You know, put those aside and do

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<v Speaker 1>the next set of parallel calculations, and you really cut

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<v Speaker 1>down on the amount of time it takes to finish this.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is a non trivial problem. So if your

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<v Speaker 1>car can do it, it means we've reached a level

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<v Speaker 1>of computing that's so amazing that I'm not really concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about leaving the house anymore. What we're saying is that

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully we'll all have quantum computers on our dash. Just

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<v Speaker 1>don't if you don't look at your car, it will

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<v Speaker 1>get to you to where you're going. Just don't observe

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<v Speaker 1>your car, because by observing your car, you have changed

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<v Speaker 1>the route Heisenberg's uncertainty card. That's right. Yeah, people will

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<v Speaker 1>ask you where are you? Like I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how fast I am or where I am, but not both,

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure you don't accidentally inspire the car to

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<v Speaker 1>gain self awareness. No, you definitely don't want to do that, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's uh, let's let's wrap this up, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a great fun discussion to have

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<v Speaker 1>because again we're thinking about the future and what it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to take for us to get there, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it's not all technology. Some of this is

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<v Speaker 1>culturally based, some of its policy, you know. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun to really kind of wrap your mind around, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we see what the future could be, but how are

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