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Speaker 3: But we do have quite a bit to get into today.
Speaker 2: We're going to start with the US military warning about
Speaker 2: multiple possible attacks on the United States. In addition to
Speaker 2: already realized attacks in the air, we also have a
Speaker 2: hostage situation which is developing in which two have been
Speaker 2: released from Hamas so far. These are actual Israeli citizens,
Speaker 2: possible future ones that will happen as well. Fears though
Speaker 2: also of what the ground invasion will look like warnings
Speaker 2: even coming from Tucker Carlson, which is kind of interesting
Speaker 2: the speaker fight. Ryan, You're gonna use your extensive congressional
Speaker 2: knowledge in order to update us on what the hell
Speaker 2: is going on.
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Speaker 2: also making a hilarious comment on the situation. We've got
Speaker 2: some confirmation about Nordstream pipeline and a so called unnamed
Speaker 2: group called the CIA and its involvement there in the bombing,
Speaker 2: as well as a little bit of an update on
Speaker 2: what's going on in that war. We can't take our
Speaker 2: eye off that. Also, a story I've been totally obsessed
Speaker 2: with is that there was an attempt at hijacking here
Speaker 2: in the United States by an off duty pilot. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if hijacking is a right word,
Speaker 2: but he's an off duty pilot. He was inside of
Speaker 2: the cockpit. He tried to shut the engines down and
Speaker 2: bring the plane down. Ryan, It's an absolutely insane story
Speaker 2: and shock that it's not getting enough media attention.
Speaker 4: In this Sager story, ever, we're gonna have some audio
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Speaker 2: So starting off hot, all right, let's start in terms
Speaker 2: of the US military as we gave you guys and update.
Speaker 3: So what is happening.
Speaker 2: There was an attack on American forces by drones across
Speaker 2: the Middle East yesterday. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen. This comes after a spate of further attacks.
Speaker 2: This one was inside of Syria at the Altana base,
Speaker 2: where US military has had well it's an unknown number
Speaker 2: of forces now for quite some time. It also happens
Speaker 2: after the drone attack the Al Assad air base by
Speaker 2: this great map that our team is put together and
Speaker 2: includes of course that incident with the USS Carney off
Speaker 2: of the coast of Yemen in which they shot down
Speaker 2: multiple Iranian drones and missiles that they say were headed
Speaker 2: towards Israel. So this is just the latest attack on
Speaker 2: American forces. Luckily, so far, Ryan, we don't know that
Speaker 2: anybody was killed in the incident. Recall that one American
Speaker 2: contractor actually died of a heart attack in the last
Speaker 2: attack actually on the base inside of Iraq, and it
Speaker 2: just highlights how vulnerable American forces are. It also comes
Speaker 2: at a time with some very bellicos and troubling rhetoric
Speaker 2: from the Pentagon where they say we expect significant escalation
Speaker 2: against US troops.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: What we're seeing is the prospect of a significant escalation
Speaker 5: of attacks on our troops and our people throughout the region,
Speaker 5: and because of that, we're going to do what's necessary
Speaker 5: to make sure that our troops are in the right
Speaker 5: good position.
Speaker 6: We saw the USS Carney take down those three Houthy
Speaker 6: missiles hooth these again that's an Iranian backed group in Yemen,
Speaker 6: and also several drones. Was that takedown defending our ships
Speaker 6: in the region or was it defending Israel?
Speaker 5: Jonathan, When you have Cruz missiles heading towards one of
Speaker 5: our DDGs, one of our destroyers, that vessel is going
Speaker 5: to do what it needs to do to protect itself.
Speaker 3: So he says that missile will do what protect itself.
Speaker 2: Ryan, last thing I'll say before I get your reaction
Speaker 2: is just late last night, senior US defense official telling
Speaker 2: reporters here in Washington, they are preparing quote for a
Speaker 2: much more significant escalation against US forces and personnel in
Speaker 2: the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 2: Let's be clear about it, the road leads back to Iran.
Speaker 2: So we brought everybody to the news yesterday about missile defenses.
Speaker 2: We've now had multiple, i believe four separate instances of
Speaker 2: attacks on American service members in the region. These are
Speaker 2: just warning shots if they wanted to kill them. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't certainly have the capability. And then the most
Speaker 2: significant is the USS Carney's involvement so far.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 4: And so Yonatan Tuval, who's an Israeli analyst, yesterday broke
Speaker 4: some news related to what you're talking about, the delaying
Speaker 4: the ground invasions to prepare for this escalation. His gloss
Speaker 4: on it was he was saying that a US official
Speaker 4: confirms to me key reason for the IDF ground invasion
Speaker 4: delay is a US request to complete preparations for a
Speaker 4: broader conflict, which is similar to the way that you're
Speaker 4: hearing it framed in the United States, but not quite Yes,
Speaker 4: And I think his read is a little bit more
Speaker 4: accurate so the US expects that the Israeli ground invasion
Speaker 4: into Gaza is then going to launch a broader regional war.
Speaker 4: The US has been saying, we'd like to use to
Speaker 4: delay this ground invasion so that we can get humanitarian
Speaker 4: relief into Gaza at hostages and the hostages out. This
Speaker 4: suggests that no, that's not what's going on. That they
Speaker 4: fear that this ground invasion is going to cause this
Speaker 4: bigger regional war, and so they want to get their
Speaker 4: assets in place. But what getting assets in place does.
Speaker 4: What does it do? It triples quadruples, quin couples the
Speaker 4: number of targets that Iranian backed militias and elements and
Speaker 4: fighters around the region have to target. That great math
Speaker 4: that we had earlier. That's the consequence of our last
Speaker 4: twenty thirty years of policy in the Middle East. We
Speaker 4: have troops in northern Iraq, we have troops and western Iraq,
Speaker 4: we have troops in Syria. We've got assets now in
Speaker 4: the around Yemen and around the Mediterranean. Each one of
Speaker 4: those becomes then a leverage point for Iran and its allies.
Speaker 4: They don't need to conquer us, what they need to
Speaker 4: do is cause us damage, which then causes us to respond.
Speaker 3: That's a very well good way of putting it.
Speaker 2: And you know, unfortunately that map didn't even have all
Speaker 2: the assets that we play. Actually, I think we put
Speaker 2: one up yesterday that showed everybody just the sheer number
Speaker 2: of thousands of American service members, and not to even
Speaker 2: mention all the citizens who live in the region, which
Speaker 2: are all soft targets. At the same time, the United
Speaker 2: States is now sending even more active duty US troops
Speaker 2: in addition to the two thousand Marines, in addition to
Speaker 2: the two carrier strike groups. Here is the Presidential aid
Speaker 2: John Kirby giving an update.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: We have said from the very beginning, we don't want
Speaker 7: to see any actor try to take advantage of the
Speaker 7: situation to widen or deepen the conflict, and that certainly
Speaker 7: includes his BLUA, And that's why the President has added
Speaker 7: additional military forces to the region and more forces will
Speaker 7: be coming in days and weeks ahead to try to
Speaker 7: deter any actor from widening or deeping this conflict.
Speaker 2: So with more troops, more forces, and even more on
Speaker 2: top of that, I mean, what is the number they're
Speaker 2: not even telling us, Ryan, We've got thousands in Iraq
Speaker 2: and Syria as far as we know, the official number
Speaker 2: is classified. Also, they get around it because as we
Speaker 2: found out when that contract died, half these guys, maybe
Speaker 2: even more, are contractors.
Speaker 3: So it means you don't have to disclose it.
Speaker 2: Are they are they there for the military though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they to me, might as well they can.
Speaker 3: So what does that mean?
Speaker 2: So we've got thousands of guys in Iraq and Syriam,
Speaker 2: We've got thousands of guys in Bahrain, We've got thousands
Speaker 2: of guys in naval assets now, carrier strike group, everybody
Speaker 2: sitting off the coast. None of this even factors in
Speaker 2: the base that we have in Doha. In Tatar who
Speaker 2: knows how many people there are. I mean, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was thousands whenever I live there, probably, I think it's
Speaker 2: probably doubled ever since then. So you put all these together,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at target, target, target target, where you
Speaker 2: don't need a medium range ballistic missile to kill these people.
Speaker 2: All you need is a slightly more SICI rocket and
Speaker 2: launch it from any Iraqi or Shia militia that Iran
Speaker 2: has been now been controlling for twenty years.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a total nightmare.
Speaker 2: And if you don't, you know, believe us, just ask
Speaker 2: the five hundred or so American soldiers who were killed
Speaker 2: by Iranian backed technology when we were in Iraq.
Speaker 3: The Iranian government didn't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: All they had to do was give like a particularly
Speaker 2: sophisticated ied to their proxies, and hundreds of our servicemens
Speaker 2: were killed who untold thousands were wounded and untold tens
Speaker 2: of thousands suffering PTSD as a result of that.
Speaker 4: And there's a fundamental irrationality behind what Kirby is saying there,
Speaker 4: and just a lack of thought or belief that the
Speaker 4: United States has any agency in this situation. It's it's
Speaker 4: such a strange thing to watch unfold because here he
Speaker 4: is saying, listen, if you're out there, we want you
Speaker 4: to know, if you're an actor, you better not take
Speaker 4: advantage of this situation, just kind of hoping that Iran
Speaker 4: and its allies in the region, you don't undermine what
Speaker 4: the United States and Israel want to do in Gozen
Speaker 4: in the Middle East, without thinking, well, what could the
Speaker 4: United States do to stave off what they say they
Speaker 4: don't want to happen? Because I think we should take
Speaker 4: the US at its word in the sense that there
Speaker 4: actually is no broader interest that the US has as
Speaker 4: in having a regional war in the Middle East right now,
Speaker 4: Like you can say, Okay, there are elements of northern
Speaker 4: Virginia that will benefit because they'll be able to sell
Speaker 4: more weapons. Fine, but the US geopolitical interest is not
Speaker 4: currently served when they have the problems in Taiwan they've got,
Speaker 4: they still have a war that they're supporting in Ukraine
Speaker 4: against Russia, and so opening up a front there is
Speaker 4: not in their interest. So therefore what are they Why
Speaker 4: are they allowing it to happen? And this idea that
Speaker 4: they're going to deter Iran by sending more targets is
Speaker 4: absurd because they don't they're not recognizing that these are targets.
Speaker 4: They're seeing them as assets that are going to intimidate
Speaker 4: Iran rather than oh, one one more way, one more thing,
Speaker 4: one little, one little tiny torpedo now or a drone
Speaker 4: that we can hit this battleship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as we all saw, I mean the IDF.
Speaker 2: You know, it's very signifant, probably one of the most
Speaker 2: advanced militaries in the world. If they accidentally just shot
Speaker 2: at the Egyptians as right, And this is just this
Speaker 2: is not to say like that, this is not even
Speaker 2: to blame them. It's just more to say it happens
Speaker 2: in war. I mean, terrible things things go off. As
Speaker 2: we all solve the hospital, it can take hours in
Speaker 2: order to figure out what the hell is true and
Speaker 2: what the hell is not true. And in the interim
Speaker 2: you've got protests that go all over the world, and
Speaker 2: you've got at that point, now you're responding to a
Speaker 2: real world event which was a reaction possibly to a
Speaker 2: fake event.
Speaker 3: You're never gonna know.
Speaker 2: And as the more troops that we have in the region,
Speaker 2: the more targets that we have.
Speaker 3: I tweeted this yesterday, Roun, I'm curious for what you think.
Speaker 3: I just said.
Speaker 2: The entire US political system seems resigned to a broader
Speaker 2: war in the Middle East, with the implicit assumption it
Speaker 2: is somehow worth it.
Speaker 3: It's actually not worth it at all. The reason that
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 2: Quiet is because when it does happen, they will pretend
Speaker 2: that there was nothing that we could do to avoid it.
Speaker 2: And I really believe that now watching all of these
Speaker 2: forces being sent, watching the secret reports about no we
Speaker 2: don't really care. It's not about hostages. We just need
Speaker 2: the time to prepare for the forthcoming attacks. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: hold on a second, maybe we just stopped the forthcoming attack.
Speaker 2: We try and at least come to some sort of solution,
Speaker 2: talk with the Israelis, talk with Hamas, and just be like, look,
Speaker 2: what can we actually do here in order to make
Speaker 2: this happen. A serious effort would be to make sure
Speaker 2: that the forthcoming backlash does not occur. How do you
Speaker 2: do that. I'm not going to say that it's the
Speaker 2: easiest thing in the world. You have to minimize civilian
Speaker 2: casualties as much as humanly possible. Right now, the IDF is,
Speaker 2: you know, using an air campaign, which, by as.
Speaker 3: We played you the audio.
Speaker 2: From Jocko Willing command, who is by no means a
Speaker 2: liberal and who has extensive experience, he was like, I
Speaker 2: don't think that these air strikes are accomplishing the military
Speaker 2: objective that you really want. And we're going to talk
Speaker 2: soon about what this invasion is gearing up to.
Speaker 3: Look like, this is an urban nightmare.
Speaker 2: So I'm not even talking about the humanitarian I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the fight itself. We've got fifty to sixty thousand
Speaker 2: dug In fighters. That is almost what, five times the
Speaker 2: number of ISIS fighters that they had in Mosl. I
Speaker 2: just looked up the civilian casualties yesterday. The official number
Speaker 2: in Mosl was one to one, one civilian.
Speaker 3: For every ISIS fighter.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's play that out in Gaza, where it's
Speaker 2: probably going to be higher.
Speaker 3: It's even more densely popular. Two to one.
Speaker 2: What that's one hundred thousand people. Now, even if you
Speaker 2: think that is justified, do you think that the Egyptians,
Speaker 2: the Jordanians, the Turks, you know, all the entire era
Speaker 2: world is going to sit back and take that. Not
Speaker 2: to mention the Iranians. It's just simply impossible to imagine
Speaker 2: ryan a world where that happens.
Speaker 4: It's I think it's useful to go back to the
Speaker 4: metaphor that Israel has used for its Gaza operations in
Speaker 4: the past. They say they call it mowing the lawn, yes,
Speaker 4: which is kind of a cynical and chilling term. But
Speaker 4: they every couple of years there'd be a you know,
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks of air strikes, and they would
Speaker 4: say that they're talking about just shrinking Hamasa's capacity. Just
Speaker 4: a little bit underneath that cynical and chilling metaphor is
Speaker 4: the reality that there is a grassroots there that is
Speaker 4: just going to continue to grow. So let's say you
Speaker 4: even do kill one hundred thousand civilians, you kill fifty
Speaker 4: thousand Hamas fighters, you somehow clear out this what five
Speaker 4: hundred kilometers of tunnels that they have underneath guys, whatever
Speaker 4: the number is just the biggest tunnel network in world history.
Speaker 4: Let's say you actually managed to clear that out, You're
Speaker 4: still left with hundreds of thousands of fourteen and fifteen
Speaker 4: year olds. Iran can't resupply people over the next couple
Speaker 4: of years, and now you have them remembering one of
Speaker 4: the most gruesome massacres of Palestinians in it may be
Speaker 4: the last one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Let's hold this because it gets to something else that
Speaker 2: we want to talk about, which is that the US
Speaker 2: military is now actively helping these reelies plan for this campaign.
Speaker 2: John Kirby discussing some of that yesterday.
Speaker 8: Let's take a listen, so I can tell you, as
Speaker 8: Secretary of Austin made clear yesterday, we have been an
Speaker 8: active discussion with Israeli officials since the beginning of this conflict,
Speaker 8: to make sure we had a good understanding of their intentions,
Speaker 8: their plans, where they were trying to take things, to
Speaker 8: see if we could better understand how they've answered the
Speaker 8: very tough questions that any military needs to ask themselves
Speaker 8: before they commit to a large scale operation of any kind.
Speaker 8: We want to make sure we have an understanding of
Speaker 8: how they are comeing to those solutions and those answers,
Speaker 8: And of course we've made it clear that we'll be
Speaker 8: willing to help in any way.
Speaker 3: That we can.
Speaker 8: But it is important to remember that the IDF, the
Speaker 8: Israeli Defense Forces, they make their own decisions. They decide
Speaker 8: what they're going to do and when they're going to
Speaker 8: do it. And again, all we're trying to do is
Speaker 8: make sure that they know we're here as a resource,
Speaker 8: certainly for information and context. We've had a lot of
Speaker 8: experience in this kind of thing, but also from a
Speaker 8: security assistance perspective.
Speaker 2: So there he is, he confirms US military is actively involved,
Speaker 2: and just to underscore that, let's put this on the screen.
Speaker 3: This was just a report yesterday.
Speaker 2: Marine Corps three star general is now advising the Israeli
Speaker 2: military on the Gaza ground operation.
Speaker 3: So this is Lieutenant General James Glynn.
Speaker 2: According to a senior Israeli officials, he has been on
Speaker 2: the ground now in Tel Aviv for some time and
Speaker 2: he is now helping the operational plan for the IDF
Speaker 2: for how it is going to conduct itself in Gaza.
Speaker 2: And Lieutenant General Glenn was probably one of the people
Speaker 2: to know, let's go and put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen in terms of his past experience, but just
Speaker 2: to also underscore what this fight is going to look like.
Speaker 2: He was the deputy commander of some of the Special
Speaker 2: Operations Joint Task Force in Iraq in twenty seventeen and
Speaker 2: eighteen that was in the aftermath of the Battle of Mosl.
Speaker 2: More relevant to Gaza, he was the battalion commander of
Speaker 2: the two four Marines during the two thousand and six
Speaker 2: to seventh Battle of Ramadi, which at the time was
Speaker 2: compared to a miniature Staliningrod. So I don't think I
Speaker 2: need to tell everybody about how Stalin Grod went and
Speaker 2: the untold millions that were killed or wounded in that
Speaker 2: conf but it underscores two things. First, his direct operational
Speaker 2: experience in the Ramadi campaign. But really and probably most
Speaker 2: relevant is the Moses campaign, because if that's what they're
Speaker 2: looking for. In Ramadi and in Mosl, it was the
Speaker 2: similar you know, political objective elimination of the terrorist group
Speaker 2: al Qaeda in Iraq or in that case isis, which
Speaker 2: it eventually morphed into. In both cases it required thousands
Speaker 2: of casualties, even with air superiority, superior weapons, superior training,
Speaker 2: and that did not even have the civilian support that
Speaker 2: Hamas has inside of Gaza. That's that's actually what I
Speaker 2: think is the is the you know, the real X
Speaker 2: factor in all of this.
Speaker 3: People in Mosl hated isis.
Speaker 9: They hated They wanted to kill in many kids, they
Speaker 9: did kill them if they had the chance. Even al
Speaker 9: Qaeda in Iraq and in Ramadi, yeah they had some
Speaker 9: sunny support and all that, but it was not even
Speaker 9: close Humas, And let's all be real about this.
Speaker 2: This is what some people need to also admit they
Speaker 2: have a ton of support. I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: have one hundred support, but you know, it wouldn't shock
Speaker 2: me if it was majority.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean that particular people support everything that
Speaker 4: they do. But it's like they what what palsings and
Speaker 4: what a lot of palasings and got of Gaza. Want
Speaker 4: is a militant organization that is going to fight Israel.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm not saying I agree with that. I'm saying, well,
Speaker 2: this is the basic reality. And whenever you have fifty
Speaker 2: maybe sixty percent of the population which is supporting you,
Speaker 2: especially when you've got an invading force not coming against you,
Speaker 2: what do you do? You give us people food, you
Speaker 2: give them water, you let them hide out in your house.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a whole other scenario. When the Iraqi
Speaker 2: security forces were retaking Mosul, the civilians in most cases
Speaker 2: were like, they're over there, go get them, you know,
Speaker 2: please be my guests. They're in my house. You can
Speaker 2: take whatever you want. They were supporting the people that
Speaker 2: were reclaiming the territory. It's going to be a complete opposite,
Speaker 2: much more akin to the US experience in Iraq, especially
Speaker 2: in the most like hardcore elements, where the vast majority
Speaker 2: of the population actually was supporting those groups. And we
Speaker 2: found out, you know, in two thousand and six and
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, that just simply going in
Speaker 2: and killing those people, you know, sending Navy seals in
Speaker 2: at night and killing.
Speaker 3: The leaders of the terrorist group. It didn't work.
Speaker 2: It turned out what we had to do was pursue
Speaker 2: a massive counterinsurgency campaign basically occupy the neighborhoods, try to
Speaker 2: bring democracy and police forcing and all that. And we
Speaker 2: took so many American casualties in that and it didn't
Speaker 2: even work in the long run because we had to
Speaker 2: pull out because it cost too much and the political
Speaker 2: support wasn't there.
Speaker 3: So that's the nightmare scenario of what you're facing.
Speaker 4: And the other two distinctions there are time and the tunnels.
Speaker 4: So with Ramadi, you know we invaded in two thousand
Speaker 4: and three. This battle is going on at Aditha as well,
Speaker 4: where Glenn was. We're talking two thousand and seven, two
Speaker 4: thousand and eight, so they had just a couple of
Speaker 4: years to prepare. Gaza has this as we talk about early,
Speaker 4: this tunnel network that makes clearing an area door to
Speaker 4: door so much more difficult because if you can if
Speaker 4: you can move underground, and you can move underground underground,
Speaker 4: and to understand the sophistication of this tunnel network. It
Speaker 4: appears that some Hamas fighters emerged in the Israel on
Speaker 4: October seventh after going underneath an underground wall that Israel
Speaker 4: built so deep that they believed that Hamas would no
Speaker 4: longer be able to tunnel out, because that's what Hamas
Speaker 4: was doing. They were tunneling underneath the fence, underneath the wall,
Speaker 4: and then coming in and launching raids. They went even
Speaker 4: further than they than Israel understood that they were capable
Speaker 4: of doing. There are you know, tunnels that go into Egypt,
Speaker 4: tunnels and tunnels that go all over the place. And
Speaker 4: so if you clear an area and people have left
Speaker 4: by tunnel, and now you move out and you're trying
Speaker 4: to control other areas, people can tunnel right back in
Speaker 4: and come behind. And so there was a briefing of
Speaker 4: this weekend that the Pentagon gave to the House Armed
Speaker 4: Services Committee, and Ken Klippenstein and I have been reporting
Speaker 4: on this. New York Times seems to have some kind
Speaker 4: of related reporting recently that the Pentagon is extremely pessimistic
Speaker 4: about Israel's capacity to have any type of success in
Speaker 4: this ground invasion beyond just leveling buildings. Yes, like that
Speaker 4: they can accomplish, but beyond that, can they hold those
Speaker 4: Can they even hold piles of rubble? Is an open question.
Speaker 2: This is an excellent I mean Let's think about when's
Speaker 2: the last time the United States military had to face
Speaker 2: an extensive tunnel network in urban combat or even just
Speaker 2: in combat jungle con situation.
Speaker 3: It was Vietnam. And you know, some of.
Speaker 2: The most horrific stories of American service members in Vietnam
Speaker 2: are the tunnels or you know, we often overlook the
Speaker 2: Pacific Campaign, but think about the battles on Okinawa and
Speaker 2: ewo Jima. If you've ever seen Letter to E Wojima,
Speaker 2: it's a great film. I highly recommend it. You know,
Speaker 2: what are they They rely on their extensive dug in fortifications,
Speaker 2: which if you're willing to fight to the last man, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the last time I checked, that's a pretty
Speaker 2: core tenant of Islamic extremist ideology. You can inflict a
Speaker 2: ton of damage, yes you can't, you will lose in
Speaker 2: the long run. But with the US at that time
Speaker 2: had total political commitment to the complete elimination of Japanese forces.
Speaker 2: I mean, we lost like twenty five thousand guys in
Speaker 2: some of these battles, and that was not an a
Speaker 2: densely packed urban combat situation. It's like overlaying the worst
Speaker 2: experiences of the Americans in jungle warfare and Vietnam and
Speaker 2: against the Japanese and the island chains on top of
Speaker 2: some of the worst American experiences in Iraq. And you know,
Speaker 2: we really have never seen anything even like this, and
Speaker 2: that's why they're correct to be pessimistic. And this I
Speaker 2: think the reason I'm trying to talk this way is
Speaker 2: you can support at this action. You can be one
Speaker 2: of those people's like, no, we got to do it.
Speaker 2: I just want you to know what you're signing up for.
Speaker 2: I want you to understand, like what that is going
Speaker 2: to look like for years and years, the political support
Speaker 2: that that is going to require from the Israeli population
Speaker 2: and from the American population, not to mention the political
Speaker 2: backlash from the Arab world. Like you, this is the
Speaker 2: most predictable scenario on Earth. Now, are you going to
Speaker 2: choose it? And if you are, you should know exactly
Speaker 2: what you are buying whenever.
Speaker 4: And one more point that might seem trivial at this point,
Speaker 4: but if you, if you, I'm sure you know a
Speaker 4: lot of people who were first responders, journalists, Wall Street
Speaker 4: people types who were on you know, who were at
Speaker 4: Ground zero.
Speaker 3: I've heard the stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so many of them did not live ten years
Speaker 4: later because of the cancers that they got from all
Speaker 4: of the the buildings that collapse put out so much
Speaker 4: poison in the air that it has caused John Stewart's
Speaker 4: lobbying campaign to take care of those first responders. Every
Speaker 4: single person in Gaza is facing that right now. In
Speaker 4: every Israeli troop who goes in there and spends a
Speaker 4: week huffing in that air is looking at you know,
Speaker 4: you know, potentially fatal health implication.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had not thought about that, but you're totally right.
Speaker 2: But just the amount of particulates that are going to
Speaker 2: be up in the air. We got all this fire
Speaker 2: going on, all this other horrible stuff, I mean, war's health.
Speaker 2: They say it for a reason, and you know, at
Speaker 2: that time it takes you need to we need to
Speaker 2: be very aware of what we're doing. And it's clear
Speaker 2: that the US now is deeply militarily involved, you know,
Speaker 2: in planning with the IDF.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: The IDF has got to have its eyes completely wide open.
Speaker 2: And it's not just them, all of you if you're
Speaker 2: supporting this action, like you also need to understand, you know,
Speaker 2: what exactly is going to happen and what this is
Speaker 2: going to look like, let's move to the hostages, because
Speaker 2: this has been a key part of this entire story.
Speaker 2: To Israeli hostages. Two elderly women were actually released by
Speaker 2: Hamas just yesterday. But before we get to that, President
Speaker 2: Biden was actually asked about even more hostages being released.
Speaker 2: It seems to be his single political objective, at least publicly,
Speaker 2: that he's been talking about.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, hostages for fire deal?
Speaker 10: Why did you help?
Speaker 5: You should have? Should have no reason.
Speaker 2: If you had any difficulty hearing that. The direct question
Speaker 2: was is the US supporting a hostages for ceasefire deal?
Speaker 2: He says, not a ceasefire. We should have a hostages
Speaker 2: release and then we can talk. So, as I mentioned too,
Speaker 2: Israeli hostages were released by Hamas.
Speaker 3: Le's go and put this up there and play this
Speaker 3: on the screen.
Speaker 2: These poor elderly women who were released there by Hamas militants,
Speaker 2: by all accounts, that are at least recovering right now,
Speaker 2: you know, in this terrible stage position. This was video
Speaker 2: directly released by Hamas, Hamas saying that they were released
Speaker 2: due to their age. But what it does just highlight
Speaker 2: is that with the release of these two hostages. There
Speaker 2: are still dozens more hostages, both will dual citizenship and
Speaker 2: with just pure Israeli citizenship that remain inside. Let's put
Speaker 2: this up there please on the screen. CBS News has
Speaker 2: this report these in terms of who these hostages were,
Speaker 2: they were actually abducted from their homes in a kibbutz,
Speaker 2: the smaller area near the Gaza community that came under
Speaker 2: attack on October seventh, So aged seventy nine and aged
Speaker 2: eighty five, two of these women. But it does just
Speaker 2: highlight Ryan, you know, just the sheer number of people
Speaker 2: that still remain in captivity.
Speaker 3: We don't know what that exact number is.
Speaker 2: Twenty of the hostages taken to Gaza, according to the IDF,
Speaker 2: were under the age of eighteen and between ten to
Speaker 2: twenty were actually over.
Speaker 3: The age of eighty. So these are just two of
Speaker 3: those elderly hostages. There are still dozens left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And a couple interesting points about these particular ladies.
Speaker 4: They were peace activists, anti occupation folks who would often
Speaker 4: go into Gaza and help transport people from Gaza to
Speaker 4: hospitals in Israel, because getting out of getting out of
Speaker 4: Gaza to an Israeli hospital requires a pass. Well obviously
Speaker 4: right now that's not happening, but in normal times, abnormal times,
Speaker 4: you need to get basically a travel pass from Israel,
Speaker 4: and those are life or death passes. If you have
Speaker 4: a complication that can be treated in a hospital and
Speaker 4: you can't get that pass, you die. If if you
Speaker 4: get the pass, you can live. And there were there
Speaker 4: Israeli Israelis who on humanitarian grounds would kind of volunteer
Speaker 4: their time to help shepherd people through and they were
Speaker 4: among these a lot of these kibbutzes down in southern Israel,
Speaker 4: populated by left leaning Israelis, which is a kind of
Speaker 4: a cruel irony, not that anybody does any civilian reserves
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 2: These particular I'm glad that you're saying that I didn't
Speaker 2: even know that, you know, heroic. Why don't you explain
Speaker 2: to people what a kibbutz is or people probably don't know.
Speaker 4: Is it a commune? Like you know, you know there
Speaker 4: the you know, the early early Zionism was you know,
Speaker 4: entangled with socialism in a in a romantic way, and
Speaker 4: the way that expressed itself was through these kibbutz is,
Speaker 4: which are similar to communes, which everybody would chip in everybody.
Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of eating together, working together,
Speaker 4: celebrating together, a real family social atmosphere, and a ton
Speaker 4: of the people in the South are kind of descendants
Speaker 4: of that tradition, and in fact, they are massive critics
Speaker 4: of this right wing Israeli government. And when the Israeli
Speaker 4: government moved military resources out of the South to the
Speaker 4: West Bank to support these kind of rampaging programs that
Speaker 4: the settlers were carrying out in the West Bank because
Speaker 4: they were creating so much chaosity extra resources, it was
Speaker 4: understood in Israel that one reason they pulled those resources
Speaker 4: out of the South was as an fu to their
Speaker 4: political enemies down in the South. And it's also why
Speaker 4: in Israel you see a lot of right wing elements
Speaker 4: attacking the families of hostages like here in the United States.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, they're doing what right now while while their
Speaker 4: kin are being held by hamas, you're attacking them. It's
Speaker 4: because these families are calling for a ceasefire, and the
Speaker 4: Israeli writers calling them traders, lost their mind on these
Speaker 4: two women because one of them, it's not in the
Speaker 4: not in that video, but you can find it says
Speaker 4: shalom to the hostage taker on the way out and
Speaker 4: reaches back and shakes his hand.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Israeli right, is livid at her for doing that.
Speaker 10: Wow.
Speaker 2: I don't think we should be policing the behavior of
Speaker 2: any old ladies, especially those who were let do it.
Speaker 3: That's just my you know, my very controversial take. I
Speaker 3: guess to what you said.
Speaker 2: We have some video from some of the family of
Speaker 2: hostages that were released the American citizens.
Speaker 3: Here's what they had to say.
Speaker 11: They are physically well.
Speaker 3: We were very happy to learn that. Mentally, how are
Speaker 3: they doing?
Speaker 9: You know, it's going to be along along road for
Speaker 9: them and for the rest of the family to heal
Speaker 9: from this.
Speaker 4: Would you prefer that Israel delays its ground invasion until
Speaker 4: every avenue has been attempted to bring the hostages back.
Speaker 3: We demand.
Speaker 11: They need to do everything to get the hostages back,
Speaker 11: to get our family back and two hundred more families
Speaker 11: loved ones back before anything is even on the table.
Speaker 11: The hostages, they are civilians. This is the basic contract
Speaker 11: between the country and us. The civilians come first.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm glad that we highlighted that is this
Speaker 2: is something I've been trying to emphasize here Ryan hostages
Speaker 2: in Israel have a very different political connotation and salience
Speaker 2: than they probably do in the United States. And the
Speaker 2: reason why is everybody's already been forced to serve in
Speaker 2: the IDF. People feel the security situation extremely acutely. Hostage
Speaker 2: families have extraordinary amounts of sympathy. People know that it's
Speaker 2: absolutely not especially it's two old ladies, you know, everything
Speaker 2: like that, or these Americans. And the reason, as you said,
Speaker 2: why they're right in some cases even attacking some of
Speaker 2: these families is because they have very very different political objectives,
Speaker 2: and we know that they have a tremendous amount of
Speaker 2: salience these hostage families. These are politically almost untouchable, you know,
Speaker 2: inside of Israel. It also comes at a time when
Speaker 2: diplomacy could be working here. I want to say, could
Speaker 2: we do not know one hundred percent for sure because
Speaker 2: these two ladies were released. But there's also talk of
Speaker 2: a deal right now. Ryan hasn't materialized yet. The Red
Speaker 2: Cross is in talks to receive some fifty hostages with
Speaker 2: dual citizenship. That was actually a news report out of Israel. Again,
Speaker 2: it's just a report. It has not yet actually occurred.
Speaker 2: But you know, fifty hostages would be pretty significant if
Speaker 2: that would happen.
Speaker 4: And let me read you a line from the Times
Speaker 4: of Israel that underscores everything that you just said. The
Speaker 4: line goes, the army is concerned that further hostage releases
Speaker 4: by Hamas could lead the political leadership to delay a
Speaker 4: ground incursion interesting or even halted right way, so the
Speaker 4: IDF the army is concerned that Hamas might release hostages.
Speaker 4: Like people need just to sit with that to understand
Speaker 4: the politics that are going on here. How could you
Speaker 4: possibly be concerned that Hamas might release hostages because the
Speaker 4: only possible way is that your agenda is not the
Speaker 4: recovery of those hostages. It's the execution of this ground
Speaker 4: invasion for whatever you think the end goal of that is,
Speaker 4: which isn't even entirely clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you're right. It's something we talked
Speaker 3: about previously.
Speaker 2: Even the rejecutar yesterday we brought everybody report it might
Speaker 2: have even been these two women.
Speaker 3: We tried to confirm it.
Speaker 2: We weren't one hundred percent able to about Israel actually
Speaker 2: rejecting two hostages that were being offered to them. It
Speaker 2: might have actually been these women just because it fits
Speaker 2: the characteristic of they didn't want to care for them.
Speaker 2: The reason they really release them is because they're old
Speaker 2: and they don't want to be responsible with them dying.
Speaker 3: In their care.
Speaker 4: And I bet a lot of people in Gaza knew them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's good point. Are the ladies who.
Speaker 4: They took me to get my kids?
Speaker 2: I had thought of him, that's a great point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly why would you even want to But listen, no,
Speaker 2: all of these people are innocent. There's no reason taking
Speaker 2: even hostage. All of them need to be released, you know,
Speaker 2: no questions, no ifans or butts. The question, though, is
Speaker 2: about the politics of it and the release. And this
Speaker 2: is honestly a diabolical strategy by Hamas. We all really
Speaker 2: thought so from the beginning. It's like, yeah, if you
Speaker 2: have ducked little kids, most people, including their families, will
Speaker 2: do anything just to make sure that they don't get killed.
Speaker 2: And yeah, if there is a full blown ground invasion,
Speaker 2: then you're effectively sentencing a lot of those kids to death.
Speaker 2: I mean, if Hamas does either carry that out or
Speaker 2: maybe you know, they're holding them in an area next
Speaker 2: to their closest commanders, and.
Speaker 3: Then we're specifically to invite it, and.
Speaker 4: Then we're left just debating who's responsible for their death
Speaker 4: rather than helping them to live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will listen. We hope that that can happen.
Speaker 2: As we said, there is some reporting right now around
Speaker 2: what exactly a hostage deal would look like with those
Speaker 2: dual citizens. But don't forget that's just the dual citizens.
Speaker 2: We're not talking about Israeli citizens. And it's just because
Speaker 2: somebody has to happens to have a French passport or
Speaker 2: an American passport in addition to the Israeli one, doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that they're better than the other person.
Speaker 3: We got to try and get all of these people
Speaker 3: out of there.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, there is a growing discussion
Speaker 2: here in the United States about this invasion and what
Speaker 2: it's going to look like. We gave you a preview
Speaker 2: a little bit of this in our commentary in the
Speaker 2: US Military Block. But the point here is just to
Speaker 2: highlight the domestic political conversation around all of US. I
Speaker 2: found it especially interesting, actually to see Tucker Carlson plant
Speaker 2: his flag against some of the conventional wisdom on the
Speaker 2: right and really in the establishment right now basically, which
Speaker 2: is let Israel do whatever it wants. He's asking the
Speaker 2: critical question, what about us? What is going to happen
Speaker 2: to us if we allow all of us to happen.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4: What is the objective of the IDF and of B.
Speaker 3: Lincoln of the United States and Israel in this short term?
Speaker 3: Destroy Hamas?
Speaker 4: But what does that mean?
Speaker 12: Well, to destroy Hamas in the minds I think of
Speaker 12: Paul Makers in Washington as well as in Israel, is
Speaker 12: to systematically root them out and kill them in Gaza. Now,
Speaker 12: let's be frank. When you go into an urban environment,
Speaker 12: you can't pick or choose your targets very easily. First
Speaker 12: of all, no matter how well trained you are, you're
Speaker 12: moving into an area that is rubbled. They're ruins. It's
Speaker 12: very difficult to negotiate in that. When I say negotiat,
Speaker 12: I mean negotiate the terrain through the rubble. You're going
Speaker 12: to where the enemy is going to pop up. Once
Speaker 12: you destroy all these buildings, he can be anywhere. So
Speaker 12: you're going to take losses going in. But more important,
Speaker 12: once you start going in there, you're going to end
Speaker 12: up killing whatever you find because the soldier, the Israeli
Speaker 12: soldier the American soldier very much the same. They want
Speaker 12: to live. They want to survive when in doubt pull
Speaker 12: the trigger. They're not going to stop and say, now,
Speaker 12: wait a minute before I shoot, I really need to
Speaker 12: think about this because that may be a civilian or
Speaker 12: there may be a family there.
Speaker 5: That's not going to happen.
Speaker 12: You can't expect that. So the notion that this is
Speaker 12: a kind of warfare that is so precise that it
Speaker 12: avoids so called collateral damage is just nonsense. We can't
Speaker 12: expect miracles that we will assist and support the Israelis
Speaker 12: in freeing those hostages. Again, the problem is, how do
Speaker 12: you get the hostages out when you're fighting in this
Speaker 12: extraordinarily dirty and complex environment. What's to prevent the hostages
Speaker 12: from simply being executed as soon as you move in
Speaker 12: force into Gaza. I think the Israelis know that. I
Speaker 12: think our leadership in Washington knows it. They may have
Speaker 12: even decided that if that happens, that's tragic. But the
Speaker 12: ultimate goal of destroying Hamas demands.
Speaker 2: This pretty interesting, I think to come from Tucker Carlson
Speaker 2: on a show. It's part of a longer clip. I
Speaker 2: encourage everybody to go watch. It's like thirty minutes where
Speaker 2: him and Douglas McGregor just go back and forth like, Okay, it.
Speaker 3: Looks like we're going to war with Iran. What does
Speaker 3: that mean? Is it worse?
Speaker 2: What about the actual military objective here? Again, just emphasize
Speaker 2: something that you mentioned previously. Let's put this up there
Speaker 2: on the screen. From the Times of Israel itself. It
Speaker 2: says IDF believes it is ready for the ground invasion
Speaker 2: and that it should start soon. The army wants to
Speaker 2: carry out an incursion even at the cost of heavy losses,
Speaker 2: fears that the political echelon may never give the order
Speaker 2: despite a high level of readiness. Israel saying it's war
Speaker 2: against Hamas destroying the Iranian BacT infrastructure and has vowed
Speaker 2: to dismantle the organization. However, the Times of Israel has
Speaker 2: learned after sixteen days of air strikes, the IDF has
Speaker 2: told the government it is fully prepared for a ground
Speaker 2: defensive in Gaza and believes that it can achieve the
Speaker 2: goals set out for it, even at the risk of
Speaker 2: heavy casualties to the soldiers and amid ongoing attacks by
Speaker 2: Hezbollah in the North, but the military is fearing the
Speaker 2: government may not give it. As you mentioned, Ryan, the
Speaker 2: hostage situation is just such a political football inside of Israel.
Speaker 2: But if I had to guess, and really, what I
Speaker 2: think that this does show you is this is the
Speaker 2: most what right wing government in the history of Israel.
Speaker 2: If even they have pause about going in before giving
Speaker 2: the green light of going into Gaza, it I think
Speaker 2: just tells you what the stakes are to any political
Speaker 2: decision maker. These people are not stupid. They know exactly
Speaker 2: what is going to happen, in some cases doing their best.
Speaker 2: In some cases are trying to Middle Road America knows
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Pretty much everybody does. It's just
Speaker 2: in a wait and see period, and it's coming down
Speaker 2: to the question of like are you really going to
Speaker 2: push the button, Like are you going to say green light,
Speaker 2: go in? What does that look like? What does the
Speaker 2: next day look like, What does the next year look like?
Speaker 2: What does the the next decade look like? After you
Speaker 2: make that incredibly consequential decision. So I find it very
Speaker 2: interesting that even Netsanyahu in is government, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the most right wing governments in the history of
Speaker 2: is even they are taking a tremendous amount of pause
Speaker 2: right now. Sure they're doing the air strikes, but that's
Speaker 2: just simply not the same thing as going in and
Speaker 2: suffering heavy casualties.
Speaker 4: And I think the more people and when it comes
Speaker 4: from the United States military, it's that much more powerful
Speaker 4: to Israel, who were asking the question, why, what is
Speaker 4: your objective and what's your plan here? The harder it
Speaker 4: gets for them to carry out this military incursion. If
Speaker 4: you think back to the way that the US kind
Speaker 4: of war gamed out the Ukrainian counter offensives, they have
Speaker 4: a very sophisticated war game effort where they sit around
Speaker 4: and they say, all right, you're playing Hamas. You know,
Speaker 4: you're playing Islami Chad, you're playing Iran. You know, you're
Speaker 4: playing the Syrian proxies, you're the Iraqi proxies. And they
Speaker 4: game it out and every counter offensive that they kind
Speaker 4: of gamed out was a failure, and then they ran it. Anyway,
Speaker 4: the counter offensive that was a success. They had gained
Speaker 4: that one out and they had figured out, you know,
Speaker 4: through that sophisticated strategizing, you know, how they were going
Speaker 4: to punch through. So they're doing that now as we
Speaker 4: talked about in that previous block. The top marine general,
Speaker 4: who you know, who has the most experienced in this
Speaker 4: type of combat, is with them. That means his entire staff,
Speaker 4: all his analysts are are gaming this out. And you know,
Speaker 4: we don't have all the access to all the information
Speaker 4: that they do, but we can see the same thing
Speaker 4: that every different move that you make has eight different counters.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of it, even if you
Speaker 4: counter all those, you ask, well, then what, okay, you
Speaker 4: have eliminated Hamas, the organization that that it's it's leaders.
Speaker 4: Qatar has even turned the most turn turned over the
Speaker 4: people that are in Doha to the Israelis. They're all
Speaker 4: locked up or dead. An organization similar to Hamas is
Speaker 4: going to be produced by a population that wants to
Speaker 4: resist Israel. So then what And so you have some
Speaker 4: in Israel who are saying, well, this is the kind
Speaker 4: of third expulsion that we're going to do with Palestinians,
Speaker 4: like we're going to we're going to solve that the
Speaker 4: most faction, most right wing faction, like we're going to
Speaker 4: solve this once andverall. Like and if there's a broader
Speaker 4: regional war that gives us a chaotic cover. So after
Speaker 4: we level northern Gaza, we're pushing down in the southern Guasa.
Speaker 4: We're leveling that and Egypt can figure it out or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's not a completely thought out strategy, but it's being
Speaker 4: articulated like people who like, there is no solution here.
Speaker 4: The solution here is to just clear out Gaza, and
Speaker 4: so other than that, nobody's actually putting forward an endgame
Speaker 4: that results in anything that resembles what people talk about
Speaker 4: with a two state solution and two nations living next
Speaker 4: to each other.
Speaker 2: This is this is why, you know, we have to
Speaker 2: then think about what the cost of this is going
Speaker 2: to be. So let's put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 2: This is the number of casualties that have been reported. Again,
Speaker 2: let's take the extreme caveat of these are the numbers
Speaker 2: according to the quote unquote officials inside both of these
Speaker 2: places and the United Nations. Fourteen hundred in Israel, five
Speaker 2: eighty seven in Gaza. That's according to Hamas. So look,
Speaker 2: who knows how much of it is true, have no clue,
Speaker 2: cannot verify that number yet, though it is probably directionally true,
Speaker 2: it's definitely in the thousands, right, So how high obviously
Speaker 2: we're also in the fog of war and what does
Speaker 2: that look like? And I think what's definitely also true
Speaker 2: is the scenes inside of Gaza that are getting passed
Speaker 2: around again the entire Arab world. These people are looking
Speaker 2: at this stuff on WhatsApp every day. If you think
Speaker 2: America has a Twitter problem, you've never been to Qatar
Speaker 2: or Saudi Arabia. All these people are on Twitter. I
Speaker 2: think I remember seeing at one point it was like
Speaker 2: seventy something percent of the population in Saudi Arabia gets
Speaker 2: their news on Twitter. This is a Twitter obsessed culture
Speaker 2: and their Twitter does not have community notes, just so everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a side note on that, when all of these
Speaker 4: journalists were fleeing Twitter for threads, it just reminded me
Speaker 4: how little they care about the rest of the world
Speaker 4: and foreign policy. Yeah, I couldn't do my job in
Speaker 4: reporting on Pakersan or the Middle East or Ukraine anywhere
Speaker 4: else without Twitter, Hate Olivia whatever. Everybody is on there.
Speaker 4: And then they have what'sapp, you know, the channels that
Speaker 4: they're pushing all of these videos too.
Speaker 2: So WhatsApp, Telegram and Twitter, like the lifeblood for information sources,
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with official news or any of that.
Speaker 2: Maybe most of these countries are far ahead of us
Speaker 2: in terms of their walk, right, they don't share what
Speaker 2: the New York Times media exactly and these are the
Speaker 2: scenes that they're seeing. Let's put these up there. These
Speaker 2: are the ones that we've been able to gather that
Speaker 2: just show you what some of the rubble looks like
Speaker 2: in terms of the footage that has been coming out
Speaker 2: that's at least been verified by some of the journalists
Speaker 2: that are there on the ground, so you can see
Speaker 2: here like what exactly it is. I mean, we've got
Speaker 2: a decent percentage of the housing stock in Gaza that
Speaker 2: has now been destroyed. It does look and is reminiscent
Speaker 2: very much of Aleppo or some of the other scenes
Speaker 2: that used to come out of Syria. Some of these
Speaker 2: you know in the cases like you were talking about
Speaker 2: the particulates. But I just think people need to understand,
Speaker 2: like you know, the entire world are watching videos like this,
Speaker 2: and we're watching these videos Ryan before we have actually
Speaker 2: seen combat. Now let's take I mean, look, I'm one
Speaker 2: of those guys where I'm not proud of it, but
Speaker 2: I was on LiveLeak from a very early age, rip
Speaker 2: to Lively. You can watch probably still around a lot
Speaker 2: of the combat footage that came out of the war
Speaker 2: in Isis.
Speaker 3: It was right there if you wanted to go look
Speaker 3: for it. I'm talking about guys with.
Speaker 2: Go pros to their chests were getting shot, killed, blown
Speaker 2: up right there, and it was all being live stream
Speaker 2: for the entire world to see.
Speaker 3: It will be like that times, who knows how.
Speaker 2: Much, not just exactly, not just confined to Lively and
Speaker 2: guys who want to look like, you know what it
Speaker 2: looks like when people fire.
Speaker 3: I forget what those missiles, No, it was, it was
Speaker 3: something else.
Speaker 2: Anyway, there were these videos were everywhere at the time,
Speaker 2: but it was just for like, you know, weirdos like
Speaker 2: me who were covering the conflict and others who were
Speaker 2: obsessed with watching what was happeny on the ground. This
Speaker 2: is the entire world basically getting a exposed to that.
Speaker 2: I mean that scene that we just showed you. Now
Speaker 2: imagine that an Israeli platoon is trying to assault it
Speaker 2: and there is IEDs everywhere, and people are getting blown up,
Speaker 2: and there are fighters there in the background, and there's
Speaker 2: RPGs raining down and then there's a re jet comes
Speaker 2: through and tries to take out of this is a
Speaker 2: single tactical thing that I'm just describing, and then multiply
Speaker 2: it by one hundred or two hundred or whatever. That happens,
Speaker 2: and it happens day after day after day. It's like
Speaker 2: having that situation is just so it's so foreign, I think,
Speaker 2: to anything that we've experienced in the modern media environment,
Speaker 2: and it's just something that we really can't look away from.
Speaker 2: It's impossible because the rest of the world is going
Speaker 2: to be paying so much attention, and it just highlights
Speaker 2: if that is this case, there is just no scenario
Speaker 2: where a broader war cannot be avoided. It's impossible if
Speaker 2: that is going to occur. So it's a catch twenty
Speaker 2: two for the Israelis, but really it's a big catch
Speaker 2: twenty two for US and the American political system. And
Speaker 2: speaking of the US political system, the speaker fight. Trump,
Speaker 2: the current leader of the Republican Party at least until
Speaker 2: we technically do have a speaker, has weighed in on
Speaker 2: the fight.
Speaker 3: Here's who he thinks could get elected.
Speaker 5: Only one person that can do it all the way.
Speaker 5: You know who that is, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7: Jesus came down said I want to be speaker, he.
Speaker 5: Would do it.
Speaker 7: Other than that, I haven't seen.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen anybody that can guarantee it.
Speaker 10: But at some point I think we're gonna have somebody
Speaker 10: pretty soon.
Speaker 2: So only Jesus could do it. But at some point
Speaker 2: we'll have somebody pretty soon. Okay, all right, that the
Speaker 2: man has weighed in. My personal favorite addendum to this
Speaker 2: is something our producer pointed out. Put us up there
Speaker 2: on the screen truthing out this photo of himself next
Speaker 2: to I have fictionalized Jesus Republic of on court the
Speaker 2: issue Ryan. As you both pointed out, I'm no biblical
Speaker 2: scholar myself, but I don't believe the trial worked out
Speaker 2: so well for Jesus. We can have the biblical people away,
Speaker 2: and maybe there's an Old and the New Testament thing.
Speaker 3: No, actually, no, right, because Jesus is not an Old Testament.
Speaker 3: See that's how much I know about all of this.
Speaker 2: My point, though, is to actually just rely on you,
Speaker 2: because you cover so much of Congress. Tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about these gentlemen. Who's running. We've got nine speakers. Also,
Speaker 2: we have a vote today just laid out for right.
Speaker 4: Well, so last night nine dudes presented their case for
Speaker 4: why they should be a speaker privately to the House
Speaker 4: Republican Conference. One of them dropped out after the end
Speaker 4: of his speech.
Speaker 5: Dan got It.
Speaker 4: He was a problem solvers guy. That's that's the like
Speaker 4: the Republicans and Josh Gotnheimer who get together and pretend
Speaker 4: that they're going to solve problems. So they're they're down
Speaker 4: to eight. The only one you really need to know
Speaker 4: about is at this point is probably Tom Emmer. He
Speaker 4: was he's the whip, he's the currently the whip, and
Speaker 4: so he's the last number three, right, the last man
Speaker 4: standing of the kind of Republican leadership of nless unless
Speaker 4: you count mcchenry, but of McCarthy's Scalise and Emmer, and
Speaker 4: to Emily's Elisiasinski's credit, she's been pointing to Emmer as
Speaker 4: a kind of a dark horse candidate from the very
Speaker 4: beginning because he has really good relationships kind of with
Speaker 4: a lot of Freedom Caucus members Republican Study Group, which
Speaker 4: is the kind of right wing but less right wing
Speaker 4: than the Freedom Caucus Group. However, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: that whole world, Matt Gates, they like they've been on
Speaker 4: a Matt Gase has been organizing through Steve Bannon and Trump.
Speaker 4: They've been on a campaign against Tom Emmer. Like they're
Speaker 4: calling Emmer a never Trump candidate. Interesting, They're saying that
Speaker 4: if we have that, if you have McConnell in the
Speaker 4: Senate and Emma in the House, what even is the
Speaker 4: point of Trump winning the presidency. So they're meeting at
Speaker 4: nine am this morning. They're going to have then kind
Speaker 4: of a secret vote, and if one of them gets
Speaker 4: more than a majority, they become the speaker designate. Emmer
Speaker 4: is going to likely get a majority. Then the question
Speaker 4: is does he go to the floor, And if he
Speaker 4: goes to the floor, does he get the two seventeen
Speaker 4: he needs. He's the whip, so he should know the
Speaker 4: vote count. People like Gates are implacably kind of opposed
Speaker 4: to Emmer or so the thinking among the kind of
Speaker 4: bannoned world that has organized this pusch believes that they
Speaker 4: have at least five, maybe ten to fifteen hard nose
Speaker 4: against Emmer, whose they're really trying hard to frame as
Speaker 4: never Trump. Emmer himself is trying to do everything he
Speaker 4: can to say that no, no, no, no, I love Trump.
Speaker 4: The main knock against him is that he voted to
Speaker 4: certify the election.
Speaker 2: So we have some of the votes on that, actually
Speaker 2: the vote wrecords some of these gentlemen. Yeah, we could
Speaker 2: see here for the main ones. Tom Emmer certifying the election. Yes,
Speaker 2: same sex marriage, yes, Ukraine Aid Yes, fiscal responsibility yes,
Speaker 2: forty seven day funding bill. Yes, that's about establishment as
Speaker 2: I guess it gets for the Republican Party some of
Speaker 2: the other candidates there. You have multiple no's and other
Speaker 2: things across the board. But one thing that I'm seeing
Speaker 2: floated right now, Ryan, is the idea that Democrats would
Speaker 2: not attend, They would basically sit out the vote to
Speaker 2: give Emmer a majority. Can you just explain how that
Speaker 2: would work procedurally?
Speaker 3: What does that?
Speaker 4: What they call it on Capitol Hill is taking a walk? Okay,
Speaker 4: what do I need to do to get you to
Speaker 4: take a walk. And so when you take a walk,
Speaker 4: you literally take a walk, like you walk out of
Speaker 4: the walk, out of the chamber, you go in on
Speaker 4: the steps, you enjoy the sun, and they'll say the
Speaker 4: clerk will read out mister Gottheimer, and you're just not there,
Speaker 4: mister Gottheimer, mister Goththeimer and then so then there's no
Speaker 4: vote recorded for mister Gottheimer. That lowers the threshold. If
Speaker 4: six people, if six Democrats take a walk, the threshold
Speaker 4: comes down by three. So then instead of two seventeen,
Speaker 4: you need two fourteen take a If ten take a walk,
Speaker 4: comes down by five. Now, just now, Dean Phillips, who
Speaker 4: he's the dude who is Minnesota Congress and a Democrat
Speaker 4: who keeps pretending like he's going to run. Maybe he
Speaker 4: is running running for president against Beyen, so it's kind
Speaker 4: of a wild card. He's willing to do whatever. He's
Speaker 4: also one of the most outspoken supporters of Israel and
Speaker 4: the Democratic Caucus. So he writes on Twitter, this is
Speaker 4: just now. The dysfunction in the House is a national
Speaker 4: and global security issue. I would sit out the speaker
Speaker 4: vote if Tom Emmer. So now he's going to start negotiating.
Speaker 4: If Tom Emmer will fund our government at negotiated levels,
Speaker 4: bring Ukraine and Israel aid bills to the floor, and
Speaker 4: commit to rules changes to make Congress work for the people.
Speaker 4: So people like Gotttheimer, Henrique are Phillips, there are enough
Speaker 4: people that could, with Jeffrey's permission or not, could say
Speaker 4: look here are the things. If you commit to these things,
Speaker 4: then we'll take a walk and you then only need
Speaker 4: two hundred and ten. So Gates, Gates and his eight
Speaker 4: or the crazy eight says, as McCarthy calls them, can
Speaker 4: vote no and you still have a majority with two ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that fits with some reporting now here in Washington
Speaker 2: they say somehows Democrats tell us they find Emmer the
Speaker 2: least objectionable GOP candidate. They would be open to helping
Speaker 2: him by sitting the vote out if they get private
Speaker 2: assurances he will fund the government at levels, negotiating the
Speaker 2: debt limit deal and put Ukraine plus Israel Aid bill
Speaker 2: on the floor, Which is how.
Speaker 4: Private are those That's all they want?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 4: How private assurance?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, that private are those assurances?
Speaker 2: That's the big question, I think, because in terms of
Speaker 2: Tom Emmer, it's like, can you even govern effectively your
Speaker 2: caucus if you get elevated based upon democratic votes? I
Speaker 2: mean already, just as just a perusal of the timeline here,
Speaker 2: it seems as if Tom Emmer is absolutely not getting
Speaker 2: the support that he needs. For example, Trump has actually
Speaker 2: quote re truth two attacks on Tom Emmer, calling him
Speaker 2: the uniparty spic pick for Speaker of the House. He
Speaker 2: previously served as a national popular voter initiative funded by
Speaker 2: George Soros all this other stuff. Previously, though Trump had
Speaker 2: been neutral after he said he had a good phone call.
Speaker 3: I believe with Trump up, the certifying.
Speaker 2: Election thing is just going to be the death now
Speaker 2: for him, I think, for at least for a bunch
Speaker 2: for a lot of mags, a lot of them. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that doesn't mean he could win a very
Speaker 2: much easily could win. It's not like the majority of
Speaker 2: Republicans you know, even support that. But you've got a
Speaker 2: pretty powerful faction here. And more importantly, if you do
Speaker 2: get elevated and you don't change the rules on motion
Speaker 2: to vacate, what's the point, you know, they're just going
Speaker 2: to keep taking you out.
Speaker 4: Like, so, what Democrats could do if they really did
Speaker 4: want to strike a deal, Jefferies could have the entire
Speaker 4: caucus walk okay, And so that means.
Speaker 3: That he just needs sweat was slight two thirds?
Speaker 4: Just a majority majority?
Speaker 11: Wow?
Speaker 4: Just so basically every if he wins in the closed
Speaker 4: room today, that means he has a majority of Republican support.
Speaker 4: Is there a majority of the Republican conference that's willing
Speaker 4: to go to the House floor and vote against Trump
Speaker 4: and say, you, I know, Tom Emmer, he's not a
Speaker 4: never Trumper, he's not an anti insurrectionist. He you know,
Speaker 4: whatever whatever argument they want to make is, and I
Speaker 4: think that there is. But then it's so embarrassing for
Speaker 4: them to have to do that. Yes, the spectacle of
Speaker 4: them working with Democrats. So the other other possibility that
Speaker 4: people are kicking around is that they do this for McCarthy,
Speaker 4: which a lot of people would like, a lot of
Speaker 4: Republicans would like to do, because it would be seen
Speaker 4: then as a humiliation for Gates, and so they can
Speaker 4: personally get back at Gates.
Speaker 3: I had not thought about that. But I don't even
Speaker 3: know if he's running.
Speaker 4: I mean he's not. He's not. But if it looked
Speaker 4: like he could come in at the last minute, they'd.
Speaker 3: Be like, all right, how many how much longer do
Speaker 3: you anticipate this going?
Speaker 4: This fund funding runs out November seventeenth, ok So they
Speaker 4: have to they have to figure something, yeah, at some point,
Speaker 4: or they just keep saying, you know what, Okay. McHenry
Speaker 4: continues to justody. Nobody seems to think like the idea
Speaker 4: of mckenry being speaker.
Speaker 3: For including him.
Speaker 4: I'm interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well that's a good run. So what
Speaker 3: time is the vote today?
Speaker 4: It starts at nine am, but you've got all right,
Speaker 4: everybody's going to give speeches, so it'll be a while.
Speaker 4: We should know by nine thirty, ten o'clock we should Well,
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 3: Can update everybody on counterpoints tomorrow and give everyone.
Speaker 4: The skinny inside dope, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, I want to hear it. I'll be
Speaker 2: I'll be waiting and I'll be anticipating that eagerly. Let's
Speaker 2: move on to Ukraine. Obviously, can't take our eye off
Speaker 2: the ball of what's going on. But it's just amazing
Speaker 2: to me that these confirmations and these stories, things that
Speaker 2: everybody knows is probably true but not officially true, comes
Speaker 2: in just years later and you get some of the
Speaker 2: most shocking news, and shocking in that it's not surprising,
Speaker 2: but if you had known this at the time, you
Speaker 2: would have just been absolutely stunned. Let's put this up
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is from the Washington Post,
Speaker 2: a new deep dive into the CIA and its backing
Speaker 2: of Ukrainian intelligence services, It says quote the missions that
Speaker 2: have evolved, elite teams of Ukrainian operatives drawn from directorates
Speaker 2: were formed, trained, and equipped in close partnership with the CIA.
Speaker 2: According to current and former Ukrainian and US officials, since
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, CIA has spent tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: to transform Ukraine's Soviet form services into potent allies against Moscow.
Speaker 2: The agency has provided Ukraine with advanced surveillance systems, trained
Speaker 2: recruits at sites in Ukraine as well as in the
Speaker 2: United States, built them a new headquarters for departments in
Speaker 2: Ukraine's military intelligence agency shared intelligence on a scale that
Speaker 2: would have been unimaginable before Russia illegally annexed Crimea and
Speaker 2: then fomented a separatist war in eastern Ukraine. The CIA
Speaker 2: maintains a significant presence in Kiev. Officials said this is
Speaker 2: an official confirmation, basically Ryan that the Ukrainian kill squads
Speaker 2: behind the assassinations in Moscow, including of Jugina, the daughter
Speaker 2: of a political How do you even describe him like
Speaker 2: a supporter, like a Russian political supporter of the war
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, as well as the architecture go with that.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Let's know that, all right, and then that then also
Speaker 2: the team that was very likely behind the bombing of
Speaker 2: the nord Stream pipeline were formed, training and equipped by CEI.
Speaker 3: Now, on the one hand, it doesn't take a genius
Speaker 3: to figure it out.
Speaker 2: As we all remember the New York Times, you know,
Speaker 2: famous story, they're like Ukrainian group behind this Nordstream pipeline bombing,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, really, you're like this group that
Speaker 2: just so happened to get like special training and patriots
Speaker 2: and oh where do their money come from?
Speaker 3: Amazing?
Speaker 2: Right, It's only a couple of intelligence services in the
Speaker 2: whole world are capable of this, and one of them
Speaker 2: certainly ain't Ukraine, So I wonder where they got that from.
Speaker 2: They were like, we believe that outside groups, you know,
Speaker 2: helped advise them, and everyone. The literal meme on the
Speaker 2: Internet at the time was outside group equals CIA. Now
Speaker 2: it's just out there. It's just a direct confirmation. And
Speaker 2: I think what's shocking to me is not just the
Speaker 2: direct operational involvement bringing these people over, training them. It
Speaker 2: just shows me once again people do not comprehend the
Speaker 2: Ukrainian War is a US war. We are paying all
Speaker 2: their bills, we are giving them all of their weapons.
Speaker 2: They are doing the fighting, We are doing the planning,
Speaker 2: the paying, all of the things that like real nation
Speaker 2: states do. And on the intelligence side, you know, sure,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they're the ones who are technically pressing
Speaker 2: the button to kill some of these dissidents and all that,
Speaker 2: But every single one of their bills, all of their training,
Speaker 2: all of their software, all of their equipment, it's all
Speaker 2: coming from us. It's like the extent to which America
Speaker 2: is directly backstopping this entire thing is shocking still to me,
Speaker 2: and I know it to be true. The average person
Speaker 2: on the street, even people who are like I support Ukraine,
Speaker 2: they have no clue.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that came out to me in
Speaker 2: those documents, the leaked Pentagon documents that we got from
Speaker 2: the Discord leak. We never published them just for operational
Speaker 2: we didn't want to be accused of like helping the
Speaker 2: enemy or whatever. But one of the things that was
Speaker 2: crazy to me, it's not all the stuff that we
Speaker 2: just reported. It was all these official battle damage assessments.
Speaker 2: I still have them here, you know, in the files
Speaker 2: which show you the US using satellites and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: We are running all the most basic levels of operations
Speaker 2: at a military tactical level for the entire Ukrainian military.
Speaker 3: I didn't sign up, nobody signed up for that. We
Speaker 3: don't even know that it is happening. This is just
Speaker 3: another example of it.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of a quote from a senior Israeli
Speaker 4: defense official recently who was pressed on you know, why
Speaker 4: haven't you launched this ground in vasion yet? You might
Speaker 4: have seen this quote too, where he said, look, the
Speaker 4: United States asked us not to write, and he said,
Speaker 4: they are funding and equipping the entire thing. What do
Speaker 4: you want me to do? Say no?
Speaker 3: At least he was honest about that.
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's the same situation in Ukraine. We're funding
Speaker 4: and equipping and guiding and directing the entire thing. It
Speaker 4: is Ukrainian lives that are being put on the line,
Speaker 4: and so that puts them in a place of what
Speaker 4: do you want me to do?
Speaker 5: Say no?
Speaker 4: Right like this, this is our These are our choices
Speaker 4: if you and choices are in quotes.
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately we actually give them choices. We don't tell
Speaker 2: them what to do. In my opinion, we should tell
Speaker 2: them what to do. And one of the most important
Speaker 2: things that is really coming through is the assessment now
Speaker 2: of the one hundred something billion dollars that we've given
Speaker 2: these people.
Speaker 3: How is it going?
Speaker 2: How is your counter offensive going? I came across this chart,
Speaker 2: which I am still shocked by. I knew that their
Speaker 2: counter offensive was not going well. I knew it was bad,
Speaker 2: but I did not realize that when you compare it
Speaker 2: to similar combined arms offensives from the last one hundred years,
Speaker 2: it is historically awful. Let's put this up there on
Speaker 2: the screen. This from CSIS, it's one of them. And
Speaker 2: by the way, this is one of the most establishment
Speaker 2: friendly think takes in the whole world. And they put
Speaker 2: together this graphic. This graphic is the rates of advance
Speaker 2: for selected combined arms offensives with no air power. Let
Speaker 2: me underscore that with no air power, which is why
Speaker 2: you have to go back over one hundred years.
Speaker 3: To World War One.
Speaker 2: Even in World War One, the rates of advance for
Speaker 2: troops in that war were better than the Ukrainians. The
Speaker 2: current advance per day meters per day for the Ukrainians
Speaker 2: in this counteroffensive is ninety meters. The last time so
Speaker 2: little progress was made by an attacking army in the
Speaker 2: offensive with no air power was nineteen fourteen, nineteen sixteen
Speaker 2: in the Battle of the Somme, where they advanced a
Speaker 2: similar amount of meters per day. So let that sink
Speaker 2: in that previous you know, previous offensive by Austria Hungary
Speaker 2: or sorry, by Russi against Austro Hungarian troops. We're getting
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred meters per day. Previous offensives by the Italians
Speaker 2: against Austro Hunger getting five.
Speaker 3: Hundred bellow wood.
Speaker 2: Which reminds is you know, I believe that's where the
Speaker 2: term devil dog came from. For the US Marine Corps.
Speaker 2: It's remembered as a nightmare. They were advancing four hundred meters.
Speaker 2: Even Leningrad, which we remember in history, is like this
Speaker 2: horrific stalled operation. They were going a thousand today where
Speaker 2: we are right now. Just look at that graphic ninety
Speaker 2: meters the Battle of the Somme. I'll tell you, I've
Speaker 2: been to the Battle to the Somme.
Speaker 3: I've seen the amount of graveyards there.
Speaker 2: Fifteen year old's you know, a graveyard who was I'm
Speaker 2: telling you is one of the saddest things you just
Speaker 2: drive it in some of the most picturesque places that
Speaker 2: you've ever been on Earth, and then right on the
Speaker 2: side of the road is a graveyard erected by the
Speaker 2: widows of you know, whatever shire or something, where they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: all of our men from our English village were all
Speaker 2: killed in this one spot, and here's all the gravestones,
Speaker 2: and you know, erected in nineteen twenty three or whatever
Speaker 2: something like that, and it's heartbreaking. It's just like every
Speaker 2: mile that you go, Oh, a thousand Canadians or whatever,
Speaker 2: here's their graves.
Speaker 3: Bunch of Australians, here's their graves. And it's like that
Speaker 3: everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about the Germans who were
Speaker 2: killed a two million or whatever that were killed. It's
Speaker 2: when you comprehend like what that type of attritional warfare
Speaker 2: looks like. It is nightmarish. And there's a reason that
Speaker 2: those people after that war happened were so anxious to
Speaker 2: never get into a war again, and why it was
Speaker 2: such a massive blow to the Psyche and what the
Speaker 2: fallout was. If you could play a role, as America
Speaker 2: could in making sure that doesn't happen, why would you
Speaker 2: not want to do that, and I think that's where
Speaker 2: we're at right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those offensives that you put up and produced each
Speaker 4: of them generations of PTSD yes for the people lucky
Speaker 4: enough to survive them, which was not a big amount.
Speaker 4: And you're right, it reshaped kind of in entire cultural
Speaker 4: attitudes towards towards war, towards life itself. Right, and to
Speaker 4: have encouraged, armed, equipped, trained, and directed this with all
Speaker 4: of the forecasts that this is precisely what would happen.
Speaker 4: And if you look at Kharkiv on on that graphic,
Speaker 4: that was one where they caught the Russians off guard,
Speaker 4: made huge advances. They knew that the Russians would be
Speaker 4: fortified for this next one. Yes, and the fortifications with
Speaker 4: the drones and the trenches and the mortar like are
Speaker 4: clearly impenetrable at this point. And that was when the
Speaker 4: US was shipping all of its weapons right there. Now
Speaker 4: we're shipping half of them somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a very good point because even when they
Speaker 2: were asked about it, the White House is now admitting
Speaker 2: we are low on the weapons we need if we
Speaker 2: ever need to defend the US.
Speaker 3: And now they're still closing, Oh, well.
Speaker 2: I don't even think we would make it past Warez
Speaker 2: currently with the rate of way amount of weapons that
Speaker 2: we even have in stockpiles. Consider this when you've got
Speaker 2: John Kirby, it asked directly in an interview admitting outright,
Speaker 2: we're running very low and they still want seventy billion
Speaker 2: dollars to send to Israel into Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 1: My question is the state of those stockpiles right now?
Speaker 1: The state of where US weapons stockpiles stand, with two
Speaker 1: wars sending now two different types of shipments on a
Speaker 1: regular basis towards two US allies, how big is the
Speaker 1: concern that the US is dangerously low on what it
Speaker 1: should have for its own defense right now?
Speaker 3: Well, of course it's a concern.
Speaker 8: That's why we asked for that extra supplemental funding from Congress.
Speaker 8: Without getting into classified information, I can assure you in
Speaker 8: the American people that the United States military can continue
Speaker 8: to defend our national security interests all around the world.
Speaker 2: So we need a supplemental to revamp all of the stockpiles.
Speaker 2: By that, he admits we don't have very much in
Speaker 2: our stockpile.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, we're good, don't worry.
Speaker 3: Israel is a perfect example.
Speaker 2: We had a massive AMMO dump in Israel waiting just
Speaker 2: in case we ever went to war or if they
Speaker 2: needed it, and then a couple of months ago we're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, Ukraine needs it more and so we should.
Speaker 3: If you're pro Israel, you should be furious at that.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that you should be, because and the Israelis
Speaker 2: themselves the amount that they were lectured by the international community,
Speaker 2: and Zelenski, hey, you got to sell this these weapons.
Speaker 2: You don't need them as much as we do, all
Speaker 2: of us, and they were like, listen, we're a country
Speaker 2: which is perpetual at war. We have no idea when
Speaker 2: we might need it. They're right, there were one hundred
Speaker 2: percent right. They're totally vindicated. Well, now what if that
Speaker 2: happens to us. This is the problem and has been
Speaker 2: from the very beginning on this conflict, with this sheer
Speaker 2: amount of weaponry that we've been sending to Ukraine and
Speaker 2: now that we're sending to Israel. Interestingly, actually, there was
Speaker 2: a quote unquote Twitter space yesterday. I never know how
Speaker 2: much any of this stuff moves the needle. But when
Speaker 2: you have a man as famous as Elon Musk who
Speaker 2: was speaking in terms like this, I think we should
Speaker 2: all just take notice.
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say yesterday.
Speaker 10: So it's obviously absurd to have at the smaller army
Speaker 10: charged the larger arms. Me when the larger army has
Speaker 10: massive defenses and will inflict casualties at a rate there's
Speaker 10: probably three to one, or maybe worse. It's a hopeless situation.
Speaker 10: You might as well put you put your hand in
Speaker 10: a meat grinder. So so I, so I, and and
Speaker 10: and and every week that passes there are more Ukraine
Speaker 10: boys that die, more Russian. And I think we'd have
Speaker 10: some some ympathy too for the Russian boys that are
Speaker 10: dying in those trenches as well. Do they want to
Speaker 10: be there? Of course not so. Uh So that from
Speaker 10: from from a humanitarian standpoint we should find I think
Speaker 10: some we should push for a for a cease fire
Speaker 10: and push for for peace in that region. And I
Speaker 10: think then from a civilization or risk standpoint, we should
Speaker 10: restore normal relations, uh with Russia. You know, this seems
Speaker 10: like logical path.
Speaker 2: It was interesting to me that that was also conducted
Speaker 2: in the case of an Israel Hamas discussion with vig Ramaswami,
Speaker 2: who also has been very sounding a note of caution
Speaker 2: I think on Israel Hamas and what it would lead
Speaker 2: to for the US. So I will just say this,
Speaker 2: as much as the hysteria and all the nightmarish you know,
Speaker 2: rhetoric and all that reminds me of post nine to
Speaker 2: eleven and all of that, we at least have the
Speaker 2: benefit of having too many people who all of us know,
Speaker 2: who were affected by the madness of those wars, and
Speaker 2: of recent enough history where we can literally watch it
Speaker 2: on YouTube if we want to go back to say,
Speaker 2: if we could do it all over again, we definitely
Speaker 2: wouldn't do this. So, you know, the rhetoric, as bad
Speaker 2: as it Israean, it's still better than it was.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: And because people like you and I remember that the
Speaker 4: strategic victor out of nine to eleven was Oslomon Law.
Speaker 4: That's correct, Like he could not end the Iranians. Neither
Speaker 4: of them could have asked for a better outcome, never
Speaker 4: from you know, states to go into currently who runs Afghanistan, Taliban,
Speaker 4: who runs a raq basically around Ron. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 4: at the cost of you know, trillions of dollars thousands
Speaker 4: of American lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and
Speaker 4: it took al Qaeda, which was kind of a little
Speaker 4: fringe group to a place of you know, isis running
Speaker 4: an entire caliphate for a little while, like all because
Speaker 4: of choices that we made in response to the attack
Speaker 4: on us. Like, we have agency in how we decide
Speaker 4: to respond to these attacks, and our response can either
Speaker 4: bring about more pain and bloodshed to us or less.
Speaker 4: And it seems like we are just hell bent on
Speaker 4: producing another Hell on Earth.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that is very well said, and it
Speaker 2: is just another reminder about why, you know, discussions and
Speaker 2: shows like this are important at this time. Let's move
Speaker 2: on to the two stories, one which is very important,
Speaker 2: one which is not important. The first one, though, is
Speaker 2: one that I just personally, you know, people know I
Speaker 2: have a lot of interest in air travel, and so
Speaker 2: when I saw the details of this and I realized
Speaker 2: that it wasn't getting nearly the amount of tension it deserved,
Speaker 2: I was like, we have to cover this on the show,
Speaker 2: just to make people aware and to keep an eye
Speaker 2: on this to see if there was anything deeper than
Speaker 2: what appears right now on the surface. Let's put this
Speaker 2: up there on the screen just for the details themselves.
Speaker 2: In off duty Alaskan Airlines pilot tried to shut off
Speaker 2: the engines on Everett flight. According to the airline, while
Speaker 2: he was taking a ride on Sunday and in the
Speaker 2: jump seat inside of the cockpit, so let that sink in.
Speaker 2: This off duty pilot was riding as kind of a shotgun, right,
Speaker 2: and he was like, hey, can I hate your ride?
Speaker 2: The team was like, absolutely sure. The guy ord he
Speaker 2: works for the airline because he's a pilot. They seed
Speaker 2: him inside of the cockpit, which means he was screened.
Speaker 2: I mean, has gone through security testing and theoretically, I'm
Speaker 2: assuming this man is actually a flown real passengers. Well,
Speaker 2: according to the authorities, while they were mid air, this pilot,
Speaker 2: Joseph Emerson, tried to shut off the engines in flight,
Speaker 2: had to be subdued by the crew, and in one
Speaker 2: case even tried to deploy the fire suppression to stop
Speaker 2: the engines from reigniting.
Speaker 3: We don't know the exact details.
Speaker 2: Passengers who were on the plane, by the way, they
Speaker 2: say they had no idea any of this is happening,
Speaker 2: which I'm not sure that I actually am comforted by
Speaker 2: any of that. But here is the actual audio from
Speaker 2: air traffic Control where they described this incident as they're
Speaker 2: requesting landing for an emergency in Portland.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: Okay, this give you a heads up.
Speaker 2: We've got the guy that tried to shut the.
Speaker 5: Engines down out of the cockpit.
Speaker 12: And he doesn't sound like he's causing an issue in
Speaker 12: the back right now.
Speaker 2: I think he used to dude.
Speaker 3: Other than that, yeah, were one long person.
Speaker 12: Since we get on the ground in park.
Speaker 3: Very calm.
Speaker 4: I love him that at sixty two degrees and Portland,
Speaker 4: Yeah expected this afternoon.
Speaker 3: Passengers were like, we had no clue. I had no
Speaker 3: idea that it was going on. They just came on.
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, we got a land in Portland. They're like, okay, whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not.
Speaker 2: Happy about it, but you had no idea that someone
Speaker 2: tried to crash the plane while we were there. Since then,
Speaker 2: this man, Joseph Emerson, has been charged. Now let's put
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen with eighty three counts
Speaker 2: of attempted.
Speaker 3: Murder for allegedly trying to shut off the engines on
Speaker 3: this flight.
Speaker 2: And again, we don't know very much about Joseph Emerson
Speaker 2: except that he was charged now with eighty three counts
Speaker 2: of attempted murder, eighty three counts of reckless endangerment misdemeanor,
Speaker 2: and one felon account of endangering in aircraft. I mean,
Speaker 2: this was you know, what's really I think crazy to me?
Speaker 2: Ryan is one of the reasons that he was en
Speaker 2: route from Everett to San Francisco is he was scheduled
Speaker 2: to actually be on the flight crew of A seven
Speaker 2: thirty seven. So that's the big question. I mean, was
Speaker 2: this a moment of crisis? Is this a mental health event?
Speaker 2: You know that happened that manifested? Is this I mean,
Speaker 2: I hate to even spec it. This is like a
Speaker 2: terrorist attack, Like what is happening here? Why did he
Speaker 2: try to do it while he was off duty and
Speaker 2: not whenever he was the actual pilot?
Speaker 3: I mean, what is the backstory to all of this?
Speaker 2: I will say one quote that they have is quote
Speaker 2: he was heard in the moments prior saying something similar
Speaker 2: to quote I'm not right. That's a federal official telling
Speaker 2: ABC News again he was sitting in the flight deck
Speaker 2: on the jump seat, and he unsuccessfully tried to disrupt it.
Speaker 2: Presumably there's a recorder inside of there, so we should
Speaker 2: be able to get the audio of everything that was happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it just seems like a really crazy situation.
Speaker 4: It We're extremely lucky that he tried to do it
Speaker 4: as a copilot and that the pilot somehow managed to
Speaker 4: fend him off. And the announcement to the passengers just
Speaker 4: absolute classic American pilot, just a heads up that the
Speaker 4: man who was trying to kill us all is no
Speaker 4: longer in the cockpit, and the pilot who wants to
Speaker 4: keep the engines on remains in the pilot. Local time
Speaker 4: is two thirty seven, and we're going to have a
Speaker 4: little turbulence at thirty thousand feet for the next thirty minutes,
Speaker 4: so we're going to leave the seat belt signs on. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So just as like absolutely incredible to hear to hear that,
Speaker 4: because I'm sure half the passengers weren't actually listening. Oh dea,
Speaker 4: and then you kind of and then you halfway here,
Speaker 4: like wait, hold on, did he just say, right, well,
Speaker 4: so I tried to turn the engines plane passengers.
Speaker 3: I think that was on air traffic control all again.
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure, because they also said
Speaker 2: that they did come over on the passenger audio and
Speaker 2: just be like, hey, we're making a landing.
Speaker 3: We're going to be fine, We're going to get you
Speaker 3: off there.
Speaker 4: Everything's good.
Speaker 2: They some people were I think people were just confused.
Speaker 2: They thought it was a serious medical emergency. Anyway, Look,
Speaker 2: I mean he got eighty three souls. I think there
Speaker 2: was even a lap infant, you know, on the plane.
Speaker 2: What's scary thing is this man has been flying for
Speaker 2: quite a long time. He's a forty four year old man.
Speaker 2: They have photos of him posted in the flight career
Speaker 2: uniform going back to twenty sixteen. I mean, I've flown
Speaker 2: on an Alaskan Airlines flight from San Francisco, so it's
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the most common routes direct
Speaker 2: flights from Washington from to Portland to San Francisco too,
Speaker 2: I think to Los Angeles as well.
Speaker 3: So I mean people I know take that plane probably
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: So this is one of those that definitely just hits
Speaker 2: for all of us, and it's a terrifying situation.
Speaker 3: The big question just remains, what was the motive here?
Speaker 2: And you know, we can't forget, you know, there was
Speaker 2: that terrible I think it was a German Airlines flight,
Speaker 2: a Luftanza affiliate, in which the pilot committed suicide or
Speaker 2: the co pilot committed suicide while the pilot was in
Speaker 2: the bathroom. And then obviously there's still good jullion questions
Speaker 2: around Malaysian. The Malaysian flight that disappeared and the flight
Speaker 2: simulator and the pilot themselves still remains a mystery, pilot
Speaker 2: suicide being most likely explanation. So look, I guess the
Speaker 2: only consolation that we have here is that he tried
Speaker 2: it whenever he was off duty and in the jumpsuit
Speaker 2: a jump seat, was not while he was in the
Speaker 2: actual pilot's seat, which he was literally on route to do.
Speaker 2: So he's been arrested, presumably will be put on trial,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to the bottom of this. I certainly
Speaker 2: hope that we do so, but did want to give
Speaker 2: everybody an update on that situation. Last thing, this is
Speaker 2: a little at least the little bit of amount of
Speaker 2: fun I think they were allowed to have after more
Speaker 2: than two weeks now reporting on this horrific tragedy. The
Speaker 2: release of Killers of the Flower Moon, and I actually
Speaker 2: the inspiration for this ryan is that it is one
Speaker 2: of the biggest search terms amongst our audience. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I was shocked by as to the level
Speaker 2: of yeah, not even just about that. It was like
Speaker 2: Killers of the flower Moon, breaking points review or something
Speaker 2: like that. Give the people what they were said, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, we will give the people what they want.
Speaker 2: So I would have the privilege to being able to
Speaker 2: see the movie on Thursday, the day before and career
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I can. It is very long.
Speaker 2: It's long, So before I get to the actual review,
Speaker 2: let's give some of the details. That was a still
Speaker 2: from there. This movie is getting a significant amount of demand.
Speaker 2: We could put this up there on the screen. It's
Speaker 2: earned forty four million dollars at the global box office
Speaker 2: over the weekend, actually topping the Taylor Swift Eras tour,
Speaker 2: which I also did see.
Speaker 3: I can give you a separate review of that one.
Speaker 2: Impressively, if they say forty six percent of the opening
Speaker 2: night audience for Flower Moon was under the age of
Speaker 2: thirty five, one of the reasons I think that's really
Speaker 2: interesting is, and I do see this actually a willingness
Speaker 2: for people who are younger, people like myself to actually
Speaker 2: try and fulfill the legacy of what Scorsese wants, you know,
Speaker 2: to get back to the pictures, to indulge in the yard,
Speaker 2: to really understand the message that he was going for.
Speaker 2: This movie is three hours and thirty something minutes long,
Speaker 2: and I will say it's long. It's a long movie,
Speaker 2: and it's not a bad way. It's just it's a
Speaker 2: very long one. Our producer, Griffin is a big film guy.
Speaker 2: He was like, man, they really need to bring back intermissions.
Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Bollywood movies if you ever
Speaker 2: have to watch them, have intermissions and they're great. You know,
Speaker 2: you get to go to the bathroom. If somethod's gonna
Speaker 2: be four hour long, you don't want to be sitting
Speaker 2: in the chair with previews. It was about a four
Speaker 2: hour experience and I went at seven pm, so you
Speaker 2: can do the math.
Speaker 3: Stayed up well pass my bedtime for that one.
Speaker 2: In terms of the movie itself, the way I've been
Speaker 2: describing to everybody, I think the movie is a masterpiece.
Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely worth seeing.
Speaker 2: It is multiple movies and stories within one, and I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the genius of Scorsese. It is
Speaker 2: both this horrific tragedy of these o Sage Indians, the
Speaker 2: way that they were treated there at the time. There's
Speaker 2: some of the richest people in the world, and yet
Speaker 2: they have very little agency over their lives.
Speaker 3: They're being attacked, you.
Speaker 2: Know, they're being murdered in this case, you know, for
Speaker 2: their money. They're viewed as completely as second class citizens.
Speaker 2: But it's also a true crime story within that, the
Speaker 2: story the solving of the spate of murders and who
Speaker 2: was behind it, and then it's a human story. It's
Speaker 2: a romantic story in some cases where you have this
Speaker 2: dichotomy of like this man who appears to love his
Speaker 2: wife but at the same time is you know, embroiled
Speaker 2: in this plot, but by the way spoiler alert, embroiled
Speaker 2: in this plot in order to murder her and all
Speaker 2: of her relatives. It's excruciating, honestly, and I mean that
Speaker 2: in the best of terms for a movie where you
Speaker 2: just feel so physically uncomfortable. When people have been asking
Speaker 2: me about how what it's like, I've been saying, it's
Speaker 2: like watching Shindler's List, where the first time you watch it,
Speaker 2: you know that you are watching a masterpiece.
Speaker 3: You are very upset. How many times are you really
Speaker 3: going to watch it in your life? Probably not many,
Speaker 3: maybe three, maybe.
Speaker 2: Four, Right, every time you guys need a reminder of
Speaker 2: just how horrible the Holocaust was, or you know, you're
Speaker 2: it's very rare that the stars aligned that you want
Speaker 2: to sit and you want to watch that movie and
Speaker 2: go through it again.
Speaker 3: That's a lot what it was like for me. It
Speaker 3: was just so brutal and difficult to sit there.
Speaker 2: And the thing is about the runtime of the movie
Speaker 2: is he's got enough time where you're in it, you know,
Speaker 2: you're feeling like the imagery of the osh people and
Speaker 2: how they're just being brutalized by the people around them
Speaker 2: and their senses of grief. You're in the lead actress
Speaker 2: Lily Glass, and she's incredible. I mean, we're watching this
Speaker 2: woman agonize and get on the verge of death as
Speaker 2: she both is in love with her husband but then
Speaker 2: doesn't understand that she's being slowly murdered by him, and
Speaker 2: then the sheer evil of all the people around who
Speaker 2: are taking advantage of the situation. So just sitting and
Speaker 2: dwelling in that man, it is really uncomfortable. And look,
Speaker 2: that's the mark of a great filmmaker. But that's my
Speaker 2: overall take. I think it's a great movie. I encourage
Speaker 2: everybody to go see it, and I really encourage people
Speaker 2: to read the book. It was one of the most
Speaker 2: popular books in the United States in the last decade.
Speaker 2: Everybody I know has read it, from people who usually
Speaker 2: only read fiction to people like me who read tons
Speaker 2: of books a year, and it's a great story.
Speaker 3: The author, David Grant, is one of my favorites. He
Speaker 3: wrote Last City of Z, one of my favorite books.
Speaker 4: Incredible.
Speaker 2: He's a New Yorker staff writer heat man. That man
Speaker 2: knows storytelling more than anyone else I know. So anyway,
Speaker 2: that's my take for the YouTube search algorithm.
Speaker 4: You now have my review. I want to hear the
Speaker 4: well and let's give him a little history too that
Speaker 4: no you do it. This is And I haven't seen
Speaker 4: the movie yet. I can't wait to see it. I've
Speaker 4: been like eagerly anticipating the moment. We're all have four
Speaker 4: hours and I don't know when that's going to be,
Speaker 4: but I hope it's before it leaves the theater. But
Speaker 4: basically you had, so the situation you had is that
Speaker 4: the osage wind up on this massive reservation in Oklahoma,
Speaker 4: and then after that, so late eighteen nineties is when
Speaker 4: oil is discovered there, and the oil economy really starts
Speaker 4: blowing up in the late nineteenth century early twentieth century,
Speaker 4: and like the tech economy, it converts anybody who's in
Speaker 4: the right place at the right time into you know,
Speaker 4: contemporary billionaires the equivalent of billionaires. And everywhere that you
Speaker 4: had oil discovered, particularly around Native American reservations, you'd see
Speaker 4: massive violence to try to displace them from their rights
Speaker 4: over that oil. Or if if it were let's say,
Speaker 4: poor white settlers, like in some ways it almost easier
Speaker 4: because at least the kind of osage had legal, kind
Speaker 4: of tribal uh, you know, contractual claims that courts and
Speaker 4: Congress were willing to uphold. So that's why so much
Speaker 4: violence was needed, because you couldn't kind of go through
Speaker 4: the courts or buy them out or trick them so
Speaker 4: that in so it wasn't just the OSA, just so
Speaker 4: many other places you had to They just were then
Speaker 4: killed just to move them out of the way. And so, uh,
Speaker 4: it's kind of represented It's an amazing story in its
Speaker 4: own right, but it's representative of a bigger trend that
Speaker 4: we saw unfolding at that.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think Scorsese takes immense length to how he
Speaker 2: even puts himself in the movie its plot twist.
Speaker 3: Near the end in order to just try.
Speaker 2: I think the key thing, based upon everything that I've read,
Speaker 2: is in the beginning, the script was a lot like
Speaker 2: the book.
Speaker 3: The book is the story of the solving of these murders.
Speaker 2: But the more that they went through it, they realized
Speaker 2: in this small scene between the husband and the wife
Speaker 2: was they were like, no, that's the core of the
Speaker 2: story is a love story. And through that love story
Speaker 2: in this screwed up way where this man loves his wife,
Speaker 2: but he's also exploiting his wife and he's trying to
Speaker 2: steal her money, he's trying to murder, he's complicit in
Speaker 2: the murders of her entire family.
Speaker 3: Is the humanity and the inhumanity of that.
Speaker 2: Is the story itself, and then you build the crime
Speaker 2: on top of it. And what he tried to do
Speaker 2: is he tried to show the humanity of the Osage
Speaker 2: Indians and at every turn the way that they were
Speaker 2: discriminated against and even in their riches that they were,
Speaker 2: you know, humiliated. They were treated to second class by
Speaker 2: the government, by the law authorities, by all the men
Speaker 2: around them who were managing their money on their behalf,
Speaker 2: and basically just bloodsucking leeches that viewed them as viewed
Speaker 2: them as an avenue to get riches and not as
Speaker 2: fellow human beings. And I think he dwells and he
Speaker 2: spends a lot of time in that for good reason
Speaker 2: because by doing that, you know, the true crime part
Speaker 2: of it, it's great, it's a good it's a fun
Speaker 2: detective story. I think Jesse Plemmons does a great job
Speaker 2: doing in that role. But I didn't even see him
Speaker 2: ttil two hours in, you know, and I'm I spent
Speaker 2: two hour I've spent a whole movie just sitting there
Speaker 2: and being like, oh my god, like this is horrible,
Speaker 2: and just watching this over and over again. And Leo,
Speaker 2: you know, Leo does his best when he's like likable
Speaker 2: playing dumb but also a real companion to evil. De
Speaker 2: Niro is like absolutely top tier in He's like ten
Speaker 2: out of ten in his performance in this. I can't
Speaker 2: think of a single bad performance. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of interesting cameos. Jason isbel Is in there like he's
Speaker 2: the country singer makes a role. He does a pretty
Speaker 2: good job.
Speaker 3: Actually.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed his performance over over and over again. It
Speaker 2: just highlights this consistent theme of the oce age getting
Speaker 2: taken advantage of. And I think you did a good
Speaker 2: job of memorializing the story and just highlighting the immense
Speaker 2: injustice done to them as a people, not just you know,
Speaker 2: the story of this family is the story of the people,
Speaker 2: and that's a great part of the book too. And
Speaker 2: it actually ends kind of it ends highlighting their plight
Speaker 2: what happened to them, but then their resilience through the
Speaker 2: last hundred years as well, holding onto their identity.
Speaker 4: You buried the lead here. What about the aerostour, Oh,
Speaker 4: the Aras tours.
Speaker 3: It's honestly the a I saw.
Speaker 4: That with my bunch of neighborhood folks, brought a bunch
Speaker 4: of kids to.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it for that reason for people like your daughters,
Speaker 2: is that it was just really fun to watch these
Speaker 2: like eight year love Its just lose in mind.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, this is adorable. I'm like,
Speaker 3: these kids are having so much fun.
Speaker 2: I went because my fiance is like a massive Taylor
Speaker 2: swift fan, and so I was like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: well we'll go and we'll check it out.
Speaker 3: We didn't.
Speaker 2: We didn't go to the concert, and so I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. I will say
Speaker 2: I thought it was too long. You know, it's too
Speaker 2: and it's funny because it was only it's an hour
Speaker 2: shorter than Killers of the Flower Moon. But the thing
Speaker 2: is is that if you're not one of those little
Speaker 2: girls who's getting up and who's dancing the entire time,
Speaker 2: you're just sitting watching a concert for two hours or
Speaker 2: forty five minutes and.
Speaker 3: You're not participating in the concert.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think if you were there, some
Speaker 2: of the parts of the show which dragged would have
Speaker 2: been fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not a big ever more guy. Or what's the
Speaker 3: other one?
Speaker 2: Folklore is that the album okay, there you go, see
Speaker 2: my music listening basically stopped like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: So for me it was fun.
Speaker 2: You know, you get to sing you Belong with Me
Speaker 2: and all the other ones that are like key parts
Speaker 2: of your child Field twenty two, all these of the
Speaker 2: songs from your young adulthood. But after a while, when
Speaker 2: you get to the songs that you don't necessarily know
Speaker 2: as well. You're not even participating in the crowd. You're
Speaker 2: just sitting in a movie theater. So for me, that's
Speaker 2: where really dragged. I never felt like Killers dragged at all,
Speaker 2: but I felt like a good portion of the Tailor
Speaker 2: Show dragged for me.
Speaker 4: What did you think?
Speaker 3: May I go forty five minutes?
Speaker 4: I got up and danced because otherwise I wouldn't made it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, that was Yeah, that was That's the way
Speaker 4: to get to get through it. And that made it
Speaker 4: like a deeply enjoyable experience. You're right, it's infectious to
Speaker 4: see the kids just having so much fun.
Speaker 2: Even just sitting there watching these kids have fun, I
Speaker 2: had a good time. I mean just you know, these
Speaker 2: kids are like running back and forth and screams, waving
Speaker 2: around there, waving there and saying, you know these It
Speaker 2: was amazing to watch, and I think it did make
Speaker 2: me wish that I had gone to the concert, because again,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like a casual fan when you put
Speaker 2: me up against some of these like swifty girls. But
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean, though that just being in that environment
Speaker 2: isn't deeply infectious. So if you have kids, specifically little
Speaker 2: girls and they liked that swift. Definitely go go do it.
Speaker 2: It's it's totally worth your time.
Speaker 4: My son, my son like twenty minutes and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: get me out of here, man, really, so you gotta dance,
Speaker 4: and he danced. Thing got into it all right.
Speaker 2: I saw I think I saw two boys dancing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something for everybody there if you want. All right,
Speaker 2: that was a good way on the show. It was
Speaker 2: actually fun to talk about something lighthearted for once. You
Speaker 2: guys are gonna have counterpoints tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I want to have another plug Oh November twenty seventh,
Speaker 4: Crystal and I will be at Politics and Pros in DC,
Speaker 4: oh for my book The Squad, which is okay coming
Speaker 4: out around that time. So Crystal is gonna like do
Speaker 4: the Q and A thing that you do with the
Speaker 4: book talk.
Speaker 2: So wow, big Politics and Pros Ryot's truly made it
Speaker 2: right in Washington. That is the mark of a true
Speaker 2: member of the establishment. We'll do a far more official
Speaker 2: announcement in promotion my friends, so don't worry, but people
Speaker 2: will put that on their calendars. It was always great
Speaker 2: to co host a show with you, Ryan, and we
Speaker 2: will see you all later.