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Speaker 2: is Tuesday. We have a great show for everyone today,

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Speaker 2: Ryan stepping in for Crystals. Good to see my friend,

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you too, Absolutely god well, counterpoints, crossover,

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Speaker 2: bro show, whatever you guys want to call it. Who

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Speaker 3: But we do have quite a bit to get into today.

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Speaker 2: We're going to start with the US military warning about

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Speaker 2: multiple possible attacks on the United States. In addition to

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Speaker 2: already realized attacks in the air, we also have a

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Speaker 2: hostage situation which is developing in which two have been

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Speaker 2: released from Hamas so far. These are actual Israeli citizens,

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Speaker 2: possible future ones that will happen as well. Fears though

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Speaker 2: also of what the ground invasion will look like warnings

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Speaker 2: even coming from Tucker Carlson, which is kind of interesting

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Speaker 2: the speaker fight. Ryan, You're gonna use your extensive congressional

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Speaker 2: knowledge in order to update us on what the hell

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Speaker 4: Tell you the next nine guys who are next speaker.

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Speaker 2: Nine guys who will not be a speaker, Well said Trump,

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Speaker 2: also making a hilarious comment on the situation. We've got

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Speaker 2: some confirmation about Nordstream pipeline and a so called unnamed

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Speaker 2: group called the CIA and its involvement there in the bombing,

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Speaker 2: as well as a little bit of an update on

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Speaker 2: what's going on in that war. We can't take our

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Speaker 2: eye off that. Also, a story I've been totally obsessed

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Speaker 2: with is that there was an attempt at hijacking here

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Speaker 2: in the United States by an off duty pilot. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if hijacking is a right word,

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Speaker 2: but he's an off duty pilot. He was inside of

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Speaker 2: and shock that it's not getting enough media attention.

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Speaker 4: In this Sager story, ever, we're gonna have some audio

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Speaker 4: from the cockpit.

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Speaker 2: Audio from the cockpit of which we'll be able to play.

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Speaker 2: And then finally we will be doing a discussion. We

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Speaker 2: have to bring some fun back to the show. Killers

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Speaker 2: of the Flower Moon.

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Speaker 3: Is it good? Is it not good? As well as some.

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Speaker 4: Update nineteenth century genocide rather than twenty first century.

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Speaker 2: So starting off hot, all right, let's start in terms

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Speaker 2: of the US military as we gave you guys and update.

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Speaker 3: So what is happening.

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Speaker 2: There was an attack on American forces by drones across

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Speaker 2: the Middle East yesterday. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. This comes after a spate of further attacks.

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Speaker 2: This one was inside of Syria at the Altana base,

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Speaker 2: where US military has had well it's an unknown number

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Speaker 2: after the drone attack the Al Assad air base by

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Speaker 2: this great map that our team is put together and

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Speaker 2: includes of course that incident with the USS Carney off

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Speaker 2: multiple Iranian drones and missiles that they say were headed

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Speaker 2: attack actually on the base inside of Iraq, and it

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Speaker 2: just highlights how vulnerable American forces are. It also comes

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: What we're seeing is the prospect of a significant escalation

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Speaker 6: We saw the USS Carney take down those three Houthy

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Speaker 6: and also several drones. Was that takedown defending our ships

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Speaker 5: Jonathan, When you have Cruz missiles heading towards one of

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Speaker 3: So he says that missile will do what protect itself.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, last thing I'll say before I get your reaction

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear about it, the road leads back to Iran.

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Speaker 2: So we brought everybody to the news yesterday about missile defenses.

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Speaker 2: We've now had multiple, i believe four separate instances of

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Speaker 2: just warning shots if they wanted to kill them. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: And so Yonatan Tuval, who's an Israeli analyst, yesterday broke

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Speaker 4: some news related to what you're talking about, the delaying

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Speaker 4: delay is a US request to complete preparations for a

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Speaker 4: broader conflict, which is similar to the way that you're

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Speaker 4: hearing it framed in the United States, but not quite Yes,

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Speaker 4: And I think his read is a little bit more

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Speaker 4: The US has been saying, we'd like to use to

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Speaker 4: delay this ground invasion so that we can get humanitarian

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Speaker 4: What does it do? It triples quadruples, quin couples the

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Speaker 4: number of targets that Iranian backed militias and elements and

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Speaker 4: that we had earlier. That's the consequence of our last

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Speaker 4: They don't need to conquer us, what they need to

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Speaker 3: That's a very well good way of putting it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, unfortunately that map didn't even have all

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Speaker 2: John Kirby giving an update.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: We have said from the very beginning, we don't want

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Speaker 7: situation to widen or deepen the conflict, and that certainly

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Speaker 7: includes his BLUA, And that's why the President has added

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Speaker 7: additional military forces to the region and more forces will

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Speaker 7: be coming in days and weeks ahead to try to

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Speaker 2: So with more troops, more forces, and even more on

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Speaker 2: top of that, I mean, what is the number they're

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Speaker 2: not even telling us, Ryan, We've got thousands in Iraq

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Speaker 2: and Syria as far as we know, the official number

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Speaker 3: So it means you don't have to disclose it.

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Speaker 2: Are they are they there for the military though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so they to me, might as well they can.

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Speaker 3: So what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: So we've got thousands of guys in Iraq and Syriam,

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Speaker 2: We've got thousands of guys in Bahrain, We've got thousands

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Speaker 2: the base that we have in Doha. In Tatar who

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at target, target, target target, where you

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Speaker 2: don't need a medium range ballistic missile to kill these people.

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Speaker 2: All you need is a slightly more SICI rocket and

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Speaker 2: launch it from any Iraqi or Shia militia that Iran

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a total nightmare.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't, you know, believe us, just ask

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Speaker 2: the five hundred or so American soldiers who were killed

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Speaker 3: The Iranian government didn't have to do anything.

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Speaker 2: All they had to do was give like a particularly

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Speaker 4: And there's a fundamental irrationality behind what Kirby is saying there,

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Speaker 4: Like you can say, Okay, there are elements of northern

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Speaker 4: not in their interest. So therefore what are they Why

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Speaker 4: are they allowing it to happen? And this idea that

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Speaker 4: absurd because they don't they're not recognizing that these are targets.

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Speaker 4: They're seeing them as assets that are going to intimidate

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Speaker 4: that we can hit this battleship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as we all saw, I mean the IDF.

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Speaker 2: to blame them. It's just more to say it happens

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Speaker 2: Let's hold this because it gets to something else that

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Speaker 8: But it is important to remember that the IDF, the

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Speaker 2: which if you're willing to fight to the last man, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, the last time I checked, that's a pretty

440
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Speaker 2: core tenant of Islamic extremist ideology. You can inflict a

441
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Speaker 2: ton of damage, yes you can't, you will lose in

442
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Speaker 2: the long run. But with the US at that time

443
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Speaker 2: had total political commitment to the complete elimination of Japanese forces.

444
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Speaker 2: I mean, we lost like twenty five thousand guys in

445
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Speaker 2: some of these battles, and that was not an a

446
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Speaker 2: densely packed urban combat situation. It's like overlaying the worst

447
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Speaker 2: experiences of the Americans in jungle warfare and Vietnam and

448
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Speaker 2: against the Japanese and the island chains on top of

449
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Speaker 2: some of the worst American experiences in Iraq. And you know,

450
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Speaker 2: we really have never seen anything even like this, and

451
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Speaker 2: that's why they're correct to be pessimistic. And this I

452
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Speaker 2: think the reason I'm trying to talk this way is

453
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Speaker 2: you can support at this action. You can be one

454
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Speaker 2: of those people's like, no, we got to do it.

455
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Speaker 2: I just want you to know what you're signing up for.

456
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Speaker 2: I want you to understand, like what that is going

457
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Speaker 2: to look like for years and years, the political support

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Speaker 2: that that is going to require from the Israeli population

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Speaker 2: and from the American population, not to mention the political

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Speaker 2: backlash from the Arab world. Like you, this is the

461
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Speaker 2: most predictable scenario on Earth. Now, are you going to

462
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Speaker 2: choose it? And if you are, you should know exactly

463
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Speaker 2: what you are buying whenever.

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Speaker 4: And one more point that might seem trivial at this point,

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Speaker 4: but if you, if you, I'm sure you know a

466
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Speaker 4: lot of people who were first responders, journalists, Wall Street

467
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Speaker 4: people types who were on you know, who were at

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Speaker 4: Ground zero.

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Speaker 3: I've heard the stories.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so many of them did not live ten years

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Speaker 4: later because of the cancers that they got from all

472
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Speaker 4: of the the buildings that collapse put out so much

473
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Speaker 4: poison in the air that it has caused John Stewart's

474
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Speaker 4: lobbying campaign to take care of those first responders. Every

475
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Speaker 4: single person in Gaza is facing that right now. In

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Speaker 4: every Israeli troop who goes in there and spends a

477
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Speaker 4: week huffing in that air is looking at you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, potentially fatal health implication.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had not thought about that, but you're totally right.

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Speaker 2: But just the amount of particulates that are going to

481
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Speaker 2: be up in the air. We got all this fire

482
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Speaker 2: going on, all this other horrible stuff, I mean, war's health.

483
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Speaker 2: They say it for a reason, and you know, at

484
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Speaker 2: that time it takes you need to we need to

485
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Speaker 2: be very aware of what we're doing. And it's clear

486
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Speaker 2: that the US now is deeply militarily involved, you know,

487
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Speaker 2: in planning with the IDF.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: The IDF has got to have its eyes completely wide open.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just them, all of you if you're

491
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Speaker 2: supporting this action, like you also need to understand, you know,

492
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Speaker 2: what exactly is going to happen and what this is

493
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Speaker 2: going to look like, let's move to the hostages, because

494
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Speaker 2: this has been a key part of this entire story.

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Speaker 2: To Israeli hostages. Two elderly women were actually released by

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Speaker 2: Hamas just yesterday. But before we get to that, President

497
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Speaker 2: Biden was actually asked about even more hostages being released.

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Speaker 2: It seems to be his single political objective, at least publicly,

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Speaker 2: that he's been talking about.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, hostages for fire deal?

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Speaker 10: Why did you help?

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Speaker 5: You should have? Should have no reason.

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Speaker 2: If you had any difficulty hearing that. The direct question

504
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Speaker 2: was is the US supporting a hostages for ceasefire deal?

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Speaker 2: He says, not a ceasefire. We should have a hostages

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Speaker 2: release and then we can talk. So, as I mentioned too,

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Speaker 2: Israeli hostages were released by Hamas.

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Speaker 3: Le's go and put this up there and play this

509
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Speaker 3: on the screen.

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Speaker 2: These poor elderly women who were released there by Hamas militants,

511
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Speaker 2: by all accounts, that are at least recovering right now,

512
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Speaker 2: you know, in this terrible stage position. This was video

513
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Speaker 2: directly released by Hamas, Hamas saying that they were released

514
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Speaker 2: due to their age. But what it does just highlight

515
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Speaker 2: is that with the release of these two hostages. There

516
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Speaker 2: are still dozens more hostages, both will dual citizenship and

517
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Speaker 2: with just pure Israeli citizenship that remain inside. Let's put

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Speaker 2: this up there please on the screen. CBS News has

519
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Speaker 2: this report these in terms of who these hostages were,

520
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Speaker 2: they were actually abducted from their homes in a kibbutz,

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Speaker 2: the smaller area near the Gaza community that came under

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Speaker 2: attack on October seventh, So aged seventy nine and aged

523
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Speaker 2: eighty five, two of these women. But it does just

524
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Speaker 2: highlight Ryan, you know, just the sheer number of people

525
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Speaker 2: that still remain in captivity.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what that exact number is.

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Speaker 2: Twenty of the hostages taken to Gaza, according to the IDF,

528
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Speaker 2: were under the age of eighteen and between ten to

529
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Speaker 2: twenty were actually over.

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Speaker 3: The age of eighty. So these are just two of

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Speaker 3: those elderly hostages. There are still dozens left.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And a couple interesting points about these particular ladies.

533
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Speaker 4: They were peace activists, anti occupation folks who would often

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Speaker 4: go into Gaza and help transport people from Gaza to

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Speaker 4: hospitals in Israel, because getting out of getting out of

536
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Speaker 4: Gaza to an Israeli hospital requires a pass. Well obviously

537
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Speaker 4: right now that's not happening, but in normal times, abnormal times,

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Speaker 4: you need to get basically a travel pass from Israel,

539
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Speaker 4: and those are life or death passes. If you have

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Speaker 4: a complication that can be treated in a hospital and

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Speaker 4: you can't get that pass, you die. If if you

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Speaker 4: get the pass, you can live. And there were there

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Speaker 4: Israeli Israelis who on humanitarian grounds would kind of volunteer

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Speaker 4: their time to help shepherd people through and they were

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Speaker 4: among these a lot of these kibbutzes down in southern Israel,

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Speaker 4: populated by left leaning Israelis, which is a kind of

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Speaker 4: a cruel irony, not that anybody does any civilian reserves

548
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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 2: These particular I'm glad that you're saying that I didn't

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Speaker 2: even know that, you know, heroic. Why don't you explain

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Speaker 2: to people what a kibbutz is or people probably don't know.

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Speaker 4: Is it a commune? Like you know, you know there

553
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Speaker 4: the you know, the early early Zionism was you know,

554
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Speaker 4: entangled with socialism in a in a romantic way, and

555
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Speaker 4: the way that expressed itself was through these kibbutz is,

556
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Speaker 4: which are similar to communes, which everybody would chip in everybody.

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Speaker 4: You know, there are a lot of eating together, working together,

558
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Speaker 4: celebrating together, a real family social atmosphere, and a ton

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Speaker 4: of the people in the South are kind of descendants

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Speaker 4: of that tradition, and in fact, they are massive critics

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Speaker 4: of this right wing Israeli government. And when the Israeli

562
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Speaker 4: government moved military resources out of the South to the

563
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Speaker 4: West Bank to support these kind of rampaging programs that

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Speaker 4: the settlers were carrying out in the West Bank because

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Speaker 4: they were creating so much chaosity extra resources, it was

566
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Speaker 4: understood in Israel that one reason they pulled those resources

567
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Speaker 4: out of the South was as an fu to their

568
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Speaker 4: political enemies down in the South. And it's also why

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Speaker 4: in Israel you see a lot of right wing elements

570
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Speaker 4: attacking the families of hostages like here in the United States.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, they're doing what right now while while their

572
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Speaker 4: kin are being held by hamas, you're attacking them. It's

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Speaker 4: because these families are calling for a ceasefire, and the

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Speaker 4: Israeli writers calling them traders, lost their mind on these

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Speaker 4: two women because one of them, it's not in the

576
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Speaker 4: not in that video, but you can find it says

577
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Speaker 4: shalom to the hostage taker on the way out and

578
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Speaker 4: reaches back and shakes his hand.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Israeli right, is livid at her for doing that.

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Speaker 10: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we should be policing the behavior of

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Speaker 2: any old ladies, especially those who were let do it.

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Speaker 3: That's just my you know, my very controversial take. I

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Speaker 3: guess to what you said.

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Speaker 2: We have some video from some of the family of

587
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Speaker 2: hostages that were released the American citizens.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they had to say.

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Speaker 11: They are physically well.

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Speaker 3: We were very happy to learn that. Mentally, how are

591
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Speaker 3: they doing?

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Speaker 9: You know, it's going to be along along road for

593
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Speaker 9: them and for the rest of the family to heal

594
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Speaker 9: from this.

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Speaker 4: Would you prefer that Israel delays its ground invasion until

596
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Speaker 4: every avenue has been attempted to bring the hostages back.

597
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Speaker 3: We demand.

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Speaker 11: They need to do everything to get the hostages back,

599
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Speaker 11: to get our family back and two hundred more families

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Speaker 11: loved ones back before anything is even on the table.

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Speaker 11: The hostages, they are civilians. This is the basic contract

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Speaker 11: between the country and us. The civilians come first.

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Speaker 2: The reason I'm glad that we highlighted that is this

604
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Speaker 2: is something I've been trying to emphasize here Ryan hostages

605
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Speaker 2: in Israel have a very different political connotation and salience

606
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Speaker 2: than they probably do in the United States. And the

607
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Speaker 2: reason why is everybody's already been forced to serve in

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Speaker 2: the IDF. People feel the security situation extremely acutely. Hostage

609
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Speaker 2: families have extraordinary amounts of sympathy. People know that it's

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Speaker 2: absolutely not especially it's two old ladies, you know, everything

611
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Speaker 2: like that, or these Americans. And the reason, as you said,

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Speaker 2: why they're right in some cases even attacking some of

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Speaker 2: these families is because they have very very different political objectives,

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Speaker 2: and we know that they have a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 2: salience these hostage families. These are politically almost untouchable, you know,

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Speaker 2: inside of Israel. It also comes at a time when

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Speaker 2: diplomacy could be working here. I want to say, could

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Speaker 2: we do not know one hundred percent for sure because

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Speaker 2: these two ladies were released. But there's also talk of

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Speaker 2: a deal right now. Ryan hasn't materialized yet. The Red

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Speaker 2: Cross is in talks to receive some fifty hostages with

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Speaker 2: dual citizenship. That was actually a news report out of Israel. Again,

623
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Speaker 2: it's just a report. It has not yet actually occurred.

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Speaker 2: But you know, fifty hostages would be pretty significant if

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Speaker 2: that would happen.

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Speaker 4: And let me read you a line from the Times

627
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Speaker 4: of Israel that underscores everything that you just said. The

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Speaker 4: line goes, the army is concerned that further hostage releases

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Speaker 4: by Hamas could lead the political leadership to delay a

630
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Speaker 4: ground incursion interesting or even halted right way, so the

631
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Speaker 4: IDF the army is concerned that Hamas might release hostages.

632
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Speaker 4: Like people need just to sit with that to understand

633
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 4: the politics that are going on here. How could you

634
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: possibly be concerned that Hamas might release hostages because the

635
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: only possible way is that your agenda is not the

636
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Speaker 4: recovery of those hostages. It's the execution of this ground

637
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: invasion for whatever you think the end goal of that is,

638
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: which isn't even entirely clear.

639
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you're right. It's something we talked

640
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Speaker 3: about previously.

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Speaker 2: Even the rejecutar yesterday we brought everybody report it might

642
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Speaker 2: have even been these two women.

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Speaker 3: We tried to confirm it.

644
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Speaker 2: We weren't one hundred percent able to about Israel actually

645
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Speaker 2: rejecting two hostages that were being offered to them. It

646
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Speaker 2: might have actually been these women just because it fits

647
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Speaker 2: the characteristic of they didn't want to care for them.

648
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Speaker 2: The reason they really release them is because they're old

649
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Speaker 2: and they don't want to be responsible with them dying.

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Speaker 3: In their care.

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Speaker 4: And I bet a lot of people in Gaza knew them.

652
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's good point. Are the ladies who.

653
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Speaker 4: They took me to get my kids?

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Speaker 2: I had thought of him, that's a great point. Yeah,

655
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Speaker 2: exactly why would you even want to But listen, no,

656
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Speaker 2: all of these people are innocent. There's no reason taking

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Speaker 2: even hostage. All of them need to be released, you know,

658
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Speaker 2: no questions, no ifans or butts. The question, though, is

659
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Speaker 2: about the politics of it and the release. And this

660
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Speaker 2: is honestly a diabolical strategy by Hamas. We all really

661
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Speaker 2: thought so from the beginning. It's like, yeah, if you

662
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Speaker 2: have ducked little kids, most people, including their families, will

663
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Speaker 2: do anything just to make sure that they don't get killed.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, if there is a full blown ground invasion,

665
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Speaker 2: then you're effectively sentencing a lot of those kids to death.

666
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Speaker 2: I mean, if Hamas does either carry that out or

667
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Speaker 2: maybe you know, they're holding them in an area next

668
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Speaker 2: to their closest commanders, and.

669
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Speaker 3: Then we're specifically to invite it, and.

670
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Speaker 4: Then we're left just debating who's responsible for their death

671
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Speaker 4: rather than helping them to live.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will listen. We hope that that can happen.

673
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Speaker 2: As we said, there is some reporting right now around

674
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Speaker 2: what exactly a hostage deal would look like with those

675
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Speaker 2: dual citizens. But don't forget that's just the dual citizens.

676
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Speaker 2: We're not talking about Israeli citizens. And it's just because

677
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Speaker 2: somebody has to happens to have a French passport or

678
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: an American passport in addition to the Israeli one, doesn't

679
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Speaker 2: mean that they're better than the other person.

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Speaker 3: We got to try and get all of these people

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Speaker 3: out of there.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, there is a growing discussion

683
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Speaker 2: here in the United States about this invasion and what

684
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Speaker 2: it's going to look like. We gave you a preview

685
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Speaker 2: a little bit of this in our commentary in the

686
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Speaker 2: US Military Block. But the point here is just to

687
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: highlight the domestic political conversation around all of US. I

688
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: found it especially interesting, actually to see Tucker Carlson plant

689
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: his flag against some of the conventional wisdom on the

690
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Speaker 2: right and really in the establishment right now basically, which

691
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Speaker 2: is let Israel do whatever it wants. He's asking the

692
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Speaker 2: critical question, what about us? What is going to happen

693
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Speaker 2: to us if we allow all of us to happen.

694
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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

695
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Speaker 4: What is the objective of the IDF and of B.

696
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Speaker 3: Lincoln of the United States and Israel in this short term?

697
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Speaker 3: Destroy Hamas?

698
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Speaker 4: But what does that mean?

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Speaker 12: Well, to destroy Hamas in the minds I think of

700
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Speaker 12: Paul Makers in Washington as well as in Israel, is

701
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Speaker 12: to systematically root them out and kill them in Gaza. Now,

702
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Speaker 12: let's be frank. When you go into an urban environment,

703
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Speaker 12: you can't pick or choose your targets very easily. First

704
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 12: of all, no matter how well trained you are, you're

705
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Speaker 12: moving into an area that is rubbled. They're ruins. It's

706
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Speaker 12: very difficult to negotiate in that. When I say negotiat,

707
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Speaker 12: I mean negotiate the terrain through the rubble. You're going

708
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Speaker 12: to where the enemy is going to pop up. Once

709
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Speaker 12: you destroy all these buildings, he can be anywhere. So

710
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Speaker 12: you're going to take losses going in. But more important,

711
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Speaker 12: once you start going in there, you're going to end

712
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Speaker 12: up killing whatever you find because the soldier, the Israeli

713
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 12: soldier the American soldier very much the same. They want

714
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Speaker 12: to live. They want to survive when in doubt pull

715
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Speaker 12: the trigger. They're not going to stop and say, now,

716
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Speaker 12: wait a minute before I shoot, I really need to

717
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Speaker 12: think about this because that may be a civilian or

718
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Speaker 12: there may be a family there.

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Speaker 5: That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 12: You can't expect that. So the notion that this is

721
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Speaker 12: a kind of warfare that is so precise that it

722
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Speaker 12: avoids so called collateral damage is just nonsense. We can't

723
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Speaker 12: expect miracles that we will assist and support the Israelis

724
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Speaker 12: in freeing those hostages. Again, the problem is, how do

725
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Speaker 12: you get the hostages out when you're fighting in this

726
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 12: extraordinarily dirty and complex environment. What's to prevent the hostages

727
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Speaker 12: from simply being executed as soon as you move in

728
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Speaker 12: force into Gaza. I think the Israelis know that. I

729
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 12: think our leadership in Washington knows it. They may have

730
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Speaker 12: even decided that if that happens, that's tragic. But the

731
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Speaker 12: ultimate goal of destroying Hamas demands.

732
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Speaker 2: This pretty interesting, I think to come from Tucker Carlson

733
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Speaker 2: on a show. It's part of a longer clip. I

734
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Speaker 2: encourage everybody to go watch. It's like thirty minutes where

735
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Speaker 2: him and Douglas McGregor just go back and forth like, Okay, it.

736
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Speaker 3: Looks like we're going to war with Iran. What does

737
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Speaker 3: that mean? Is it worse?

738
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Speaker 2: What about the actual military objective here? Again, just emphasize

739
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: something that you mentioned previously. Let's put this up there

740
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Speaker 2: on the screen. From the Times of Israel itself. It

741
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Speaker 2: says IDF believes it is ready for the ground invasion

742
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Speaker 2: and that it should start soon. The army wants to

743
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Speaker 2: carry out an incursion even at the cost of heavy losses,

744
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 2: fears that the political echelon may never give the order

745
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Speaker 2: despite a high level of readiness. Israel saying it's war

746
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Speaker 2: against Hamas destroying the Iranian BacT infrastructure and has vowed

747
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Speaker 2: to dismantle the organization. However, the Times of Israel has

748
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: learned after sixteen days of air strikes, the IDF has

749
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Speaker 2: told the government it is fully prepared for a ground

750
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Speaker 2: defensive in Gaza and believes that it can achieve the

751
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: goals set out for it, even at the risk of

752
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: heavy casualties to the soldiers and amid ongoing attacks by

753
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Speaker 2: Hezbollah in the North, but the military is fearing the

754
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: government may not give it. As you mentioned, Ryan, the

755
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: hostage situation is just such a political football inside of Israel.

756
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Speaker 2: But if I had to guess, and really, what I

757
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: think that this does show you is this is the

758
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Speaker 2: most what right wing government in the history of Israel.

759
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Speaker 2: If even they have pause about going in before giving

760
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Speaker 2: the green light of going into Gaza, it I think

761
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Speaker 2: just tells you what the stakes are to any political

762
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Speaker 2: decision maker. These people are not stupid. They know exactly

763
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Speaker 2: what is going to happen, in some cases doing their best.

764
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Speaker 2: In some cases are trying to Middle Road America knows

765
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Pretty much everybody does. It's just

766
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: in a wait and see period, and it's coming down

767
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Speaker 2: to the question of like are you really going to

768
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Speaker 2: push the button, Like are you going to say green light,

769
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Speaker 2: go in? What does that look like? What does the

770
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Speaker 2: next day look like, What does the next year look like?

771
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: What does the the next decade look like? After you

772
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Speaker 2: make that incredibly consequential decision. So I find it very

773
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Speaker 2: interesting that even Netsanyahu in is government, you know, one

774
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Speaker 2: of the most right wing governments in the history of

775
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Speaker 2: is even they are taking a tremendous amount of pause

776
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Speaker 2: right now. Sure they're doing the air strikes, but that's

777
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Speaker 2: just simply not the same thing as going in and

778
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Speaker 2: suffering heavy casualties.

779
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Speaker 4: And I think the more people and when it comes

780
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: from the United States military, it's that much more powerful

781
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 4: to Israel, who were asking the question, why, what is

782
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: your objective and what's your plan here? The harder it

783
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 4: gets for them to carry out this military incursion. If

784
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: you think back to the way that the US kind

785
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Speaker 4: of war gamed out the Ukrainian counter offensives, they have

786
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 4: a very sophisticated war game effort where they sit around

787
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Speaker 4: and they say, all right, you're playing Hamas. You know,

788
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 4: you're playing Islami Chad, you're playing Iran. You know, you're

789
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: playing the Syrian proxies, you're the Iraqi proxies. And they

790
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Speaker 4: game it out and every counter offensive that they kind

791
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Speaker 4: of gamed out was a failure, and then they ran it. Anyway,

792
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Speaker 4: the counter offensive that was a success. They had gained

793
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Speaker 4: that one out and they had figured out, you know,

794
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Speaker 4: through that sophisticated strategizing, you know, how they were going

795
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: to punch through. So they're doing that now as we

796
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 4: talked about in that previous block. The top marine general,

797
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: who you know, who has the most experienced in this

798
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Speaker 4: type of combat, is with them. That means his entire staff,

799
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: all his analysts are are gaming this out. And you know,

800
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Speaker 4: we don't have all the access to all the information

801
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Speaker 4: that they do, but we can see the same thing

802
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: that every different move that you make has eight different counters.

803
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Speaker 4: And then at the end of it, even if you

804
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Speaker 4: counter all those, you ask, well, then what, okay, you

805
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 4: have eliminated Hamas, the organization that that it's it's leaders.

806
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 4: Qatar has even turned the most turn turned over the

807
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Speaker 4: people that are in Doha to the Israelis. They're all

808
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Speaker 4: locked up or dead. An organization similar to Hamas is

809
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 4: going to be produced by a population that wants to

810
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Speaker 4: resist Israel. So then what And so you have some

811
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Speaker 4: in Israel who are saying, well, this is the kind

812
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Speaker 4: of third expulsion that we're going to do with Palestinians,

813
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: like we're going to we're going to solve that the

814
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: most faction, most right wing faction, like we're going to

815
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Speaker 4: solve this once andverall. Like and if there's a broader

816
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: regional war that gives us a chaotic cover. So after

817
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: we level northern Gaza, we're pushing down in the southern Guasa.

818
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: We're leveling that and Egypt can figure it out or whatever.

819
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: It's not a completely thought out strategy, but it's being

820
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: articulated like people who like, there is no solution here.

821
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: The solution here is to just clear out Gaza, and

822
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 4: so other than that, nobody's actually putting forward an endgame

823
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 4: that results in anything that resembles what people talk about

824
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: with a two state solution and two nations living next

825
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Speaker 4: to each other.

826
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Speaker 2: This is this is why, you know, we have to

827
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Speaker 2: then think about what the cost of this is going

828
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Speaker 2: to be. So let's put this up there on the screen.

829
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Speaker 2: This is the number of casualties that have been reported. Again,

830
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Speaker 2: let's take the extreme caveat of these are the numbers

831
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Speaker 2: according to the quote unquote officials inside both of these

832
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Speaker 2: places and the United Nations. Fourteen hundred in Israel, five

833
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: eighty seven in Gaza. That's according to Hamas. So look,

834
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Speaker 2: who knows how much of it is true, have no clue,

835
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: cannot verify that number yet, though it is probably directionally true,

836
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Speaker 2: it's definitely in the thousands, right, So how high obviously

837
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: we're also in the fog of war and what does

838
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Speaker 2: that look like? And I think what's definitely also true

839
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Speaker 2: is the scenes inside of Gaza that are getting passed

840
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Speaker 2: around again the entire Arab world. These people are looking

841
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Speaker 2: at this stuff on WhatsApp every day. If you think

842
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Speaker 2: America has a Twitter problem, you've never been to Qatar

843
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: or Saudi Arabia. All these people are on Twitter. I

844
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: think I remember seeing at one point it was like

845
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: seventy something percent of the population in Saudi Arabia gets

846
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Speaker 2: their news on Twitter. This is a Twitter obsessed culture

847
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Speaker 2: and their Twitter does not have community notes, just so everybody.

848
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Speaker 4: Yeah, a side note on that, when all of these

849
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: journalists were fleeing Twitter for threads, it just reminded me

850
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: how little they care about the rest of the world

851
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 4: and foreign policy. Yeah, I couldn't do my job in

852
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: reporting on Pakersan or the Middle East or Ukraine anywhere

853
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: else without Twitter, Hate Olivia whatever. Everybody is on there.

854
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: And then they have what'sapp, you know, the channels that

855
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Speaker 4: they're pushing all of these videos too.

856
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Speaker 2: So WhatsApp, Telegram and Twitter, like the lifeblood for information sources,

857
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with official news or any of that.

858
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Speaker 2: Maybe most of these countries are far ahead of us

859
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: in terms of their walk, right, they don't share what

860
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Speaker 2: the New York Times media exactly and these are the

861
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Speaker 2: scenes that they're seeing. Let's put these up there. These

862
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: are the ones that we've been able to gather that

863
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: just show you what some of the rubble looks like

864
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Speaker 2: in terms of the footage that has been coming out

865
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Speaker 2: that's at least been verified by some of the journalists

866
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Speaker 2: that are there on the ground, so you can see

867
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Speaker 2: here like what exactly it is. I mean, we've got

868
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Speaker 2: a decent percentage of the housing stock in Gaza that

869
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: has now been destroyed. It does look and is reminiscent

870
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Speaker 2: very much of Aleppo or some of the other scenes

871
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: that used to come out of Syria. Some of these

872
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: you know in the cases like you were talking about

873
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Speaker 2: the particulates. But I just think people need to understand,

874
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: like you know, the entire world are watching videos like this,

875
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: and we're watching these videos Ryan before we have actually

876
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: seen combat. Now let's take I mean, look, I'm one

877
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: of those guys where I'm not proud of it, but

878
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: I was on LiveLeak from a very early age, rip

879
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: to Lively. You can watch probably still around a lot

880
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: of the combat footage that came out of the war

881
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: in Isis.

882
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: It was right there if you wanted to go look

883
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: for it. I'm talking about guys with.

884
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: Go pros to their chests were getting shot, killed, blown

885
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: up right there, and it was all being live stream

886
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: for the entire world to see.

887
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: It will be like that times, who knows how.

888
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: Much, not just exactly, not just confined to Lively and

889
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: guys who want to look like, you know what it

890
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: looks like when people fire.

891
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: I forget what those missiles, No, it was, it was

892
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: something else.

893
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: Anyway, there were these videos were everywhere at the time,

894
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: but it was just for like, you know, weirdos like

895
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: me who were covering the conflict and others who were

896
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: obsessed with watching what was happeny on the ground. This

897
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: is the entire world basically getting a exposed to that.

898
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: I mean that scene that we just showed you. Now

899
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: imagine that an Israeli platoon is trying to assault it

900
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: and there is IEDs everywhere, and people are getting blown up,

901
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: and there are fighters there in the background, and there's

902
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: RPGs raining down and then there's a re jet comes

903
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: through and tries to take out of this is a

904
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: single tactical thing that I'm just describing, and then multiply

905
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Speaker 2: it by one hundred or two hundred or whatever. That happens,

906
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: and it happens day after day after day. It's like

907
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: having that situation is just so it's so foreign, I think,

908
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: to anything that we've experienced in the modern media environment,

909
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: and it's just something that we really can't look away from.

910
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: It's impossible because the rest of the world is going

911
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: to be paying so much attention, and it just highlights

912
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: if that is this case, there is just no scenario

913
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Speaker 2: where a broader war cannot be avoided. It's impossible if

914
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: that is going to occur. So it's a catch twenty

915
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: two for the Israelis, but really it's a big catch

916
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: twenty two for US and the American political system. And

917
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: speaking of the US political system, the speaker fight. Trump,

918
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: the current leader of the Republican Party at least until

919
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: we technically do have a speaker, has weighed in on

920
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Speaker 2: the fight.

921
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: Here's who he thinks could get elected.

922
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 5: Only one person that can do it all the way.

923
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 5: You know who that is, Jesus Christ.

924
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 7: Jesus came down said I want to be speaker, he.

925
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 5: Would do it.

926
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 7: Other than that, I haven't seen.

927
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Speaker 6: I haven't seen anybody that can guarantee it.

928
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 10: But at some point I think we're gonna have somebody

929
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 10: pretty soon.

930
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Speaker 2: So only Jesus could do it. But at some point

931
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Speaker 2: we'll have somebody pretty soon. Okay, all right, that the

932
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: man has weighed in. My personal favorite addendum to this

933
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Speaker 2: is something our producer pointed out. Put us up there

934
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Speaker 2: on the screen truthing out this photo of himself next

935
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Speaker 2: to I have fictionalized Jesus Republic of on court the

936
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Speaker 2: issue Ryan. As you both pointed out, I'm no biblical

937
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: scholar myself, but I don't believe the trial worked out

938
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Speaker 2: so well for Jesus. We can have the biblical people away,

939
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Speaker 2: and maybe there's an Old and the New Testament thing.

940
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Speaker 3: No, actually, no, right, because Jesus is not an Old Testament.

941
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Speaker 3: See that's how much I know about all of this.

942
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Speaker 2: My point, though, is to actually just rely on you,

943
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: because you cover so much of Congress. Tell us a

944
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: little bit about these gentlemen. Who's running. We've got nine speakers. Also,

945
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: we have a vote today just laid out for right.

946
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: Well, so last night nine dudes presented their case for

947
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 4: why they should be a speaker privately to the House

948
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 4: Republican Conference. One of them dropped out after the end

949
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: of his speech.

950
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Speaker 5: Dan got It.

951
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 4: He was a problem solvers guy. That's that's the like

952
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: the Republicans and Josh Gotnheimer who get together and pretend

953
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 4: that they're going to solve problems. So they're they're down

954
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: to eight. The only one you really need to know

955
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: about is at this point is probably Tom Emmer. He

956
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: was he's the whip, he's the currently the whip, and

957
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: so he's the last number three, right, the last man

958
00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 4: standing of the kind of Republican leadership of nless unless

959
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 4: you count mcchenry, but of McCarthy's Scalise and Emmer, and

960
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: to Emily's Elisiasinski's credit, she's been pointing to Emmer as

961
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 4: a kind of a dark horse candidate from the very

962
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: beginning because he has really good relationships kind of with

963
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 4: a lot of Freedom Caucus members Republican Study Group, which

964
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: is the kind of right wing but less right wing

965
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: than the Freedom Caucus Group. However, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump,

966
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: that whole world, Matt Gates, they like they've been on

967
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 4: a Matt Gase has been organizing through Steve Bannon and Trump.

968
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: They've been on a campaign against Tom Emmer. Like they're

969
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 4: calling Emmer a never Trump candidate. Interesting, They're saying that

970
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 4: if we have that, if you have McConnell in the

971
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: Senate and Emma in the House, what even is the

972
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: point of Trump winning the presidency. So they're meeting at

973
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 4: nine am this morning. They're going to have then kind

974
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 4: of a secret vote, and if one of them gets

975
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: more than a majority, they become the speaker designate. Emmer

976
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: is going to likely get a majority. Then the question

977
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 4: is does he go to the floor, And if he

978
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 4: goes to the floor, does he get the two seventeen

979
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: he needs. He's the whip, so he should know the

980
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: vote count. People like Gates are implacably kind of opposed

981
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: to Emmer or so the thinking among the kind of

982
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 4: bannoned world that has organized this pusch believes that they

983
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: have at least five, maybe ten to fifteen hard nose

984
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 4: against Emmer, whose they're really trying hard to frame as

985
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 4: never Trump. Emmer himself is trying to do everything he

986
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: can to say that no, no, no, no, I love Trump.

987
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: The main knock against him is that he voted to

988
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 4: certify the election.

989
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 2: So we have some of the votes on that, actually

990
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: the vote wrecords some of these gentlemen. Yeah, we could

991
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: see here for the main ones. Tom Emmer certifying the election. Yes,

992
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 2: same sex marriage, yes, Ukraine Aid Yes, fiscal responsibility yes,

993
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: forty seven day funding bill. Yes, that's about establishment as

994
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: I guess it gets for the Republican Party some of

995
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: the other candidates there. You have multiple no's and other

996
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 2: things across the board. But one thing that I'm seeing

997
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: floated right now, Ryan, is the idea that Democrats would

998
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: not attend, They would basically sit out the vote to

999
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: give Emmer a majority. Can you just explain how that

1000
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: would work procedurally?

1001
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: What does that?

1002
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: What they call it on Capitol Hill is taking a walk? Okay,

1003
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 4: what do I need to do to get you to

1004
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: take a walk. And so when you take a walk,

1005
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 4: you literally take a walk, like you walk out of

1006
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: the walk, out of the chamber, you go in on

1007
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: the steps, you enjoy the sun, and they'll say the

1008
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: clerk will read out mister Gottheimer, and you're just not there,

1009
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 4: mister Gottheimer, mister Goththeimer and then so then there's no

1010
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 4: vote recorded for mister Gottheimer. That lowers the threshold. If

1011
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 4: six people, if six Democrats take a walk, the threshold

1012
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 4: comes down by three. So then instead of two seventeen,

1013
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: you need two fourteen take a If ten take a walk,

1014
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 4: comes down by five. Now, just now, Dean Phillips, who

1015
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 4: he's the dude who is Minnesota Congress and a Democrat

1016
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 4: who keeps pretending like he's going to run. Maybe he

1017
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 4: is running running for president against Beyen, so it's kind

1018
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 4: of a wild card. He's willing to do whatever. He's

1019
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 4: also one of the most outspoken supporters of Israel and

1020
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 4: the Democratic Caucus. So he writes on Twitter, this is

1021
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: just now. The dysfunction in the House is a national

1022
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: and global security issue. I would sit out the speaker

1023
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 4: vote if Tom Emmer. So now he's going to start negotiating.

1024
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 4: If Tom Emmer will fund our government at negotiated levels,

1025
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 4: bring Ukraine and Israel aid bills to the floor, and

1026
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 4: commit to rules changes to make Congress work for the people.

1027
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: So people like Gotttheimer, Henrique are Phillips, there are enough

1028
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 4: people that could, with Jeffrey's permission or not, could say

1029
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 4: look here are the things. If you commit to these things,

1030
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: then we'll take a walk and you then only need

1031
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 4: two hundred and ten. So Gates, Gates and his eight

1032
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: or the crazy eight says, as McCarthy calls them, can

1033
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: vote no and you still have a majority with two ten.

1034
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that fits with some reporting now here in Washington

1035
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: they say somehows Democrats tell us they find Emmer the

1036
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: least objectionable GOP candidate. They would be open to helping

1037
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: him by sitting the vote out if they get private

1038
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: assurances he will fund the government at levels, negotiating the

1039
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: debt limit deal and put Ukraine plus Israel Aid bill

1040
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: on the floor, Which is how.

1041
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 4: Private are those That's all they want?

1042
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 12: Right?

1043
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: How private assurance?

1044
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1045
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 4: Well, that private are those assurances?

1046
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: That's the big question, I think, because in terms of

1047
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: Tom Emmer, it's like, can you even govern effectively your

1048
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: caucus if you get elevated based upon democratic votes? I

1049
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: mean already, just as just a perusal of the timeline here,

1050
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: it seems as if Tom Emmer is absolutely not getting

1051
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: the support that he needs. For example, Trump has actually

1052
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: quote re truth two attacks on Tom Emmer, calling him

1053
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: the uniparty spic pick for Speaker of the House. He

1054
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: previously served as a national popular voter initiative funded by

1055
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: George Soros all this other stuff. Previously, though Trump had

1056
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: been neutral after he said he had a good phone call.

1057
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 3: I believe with Trump up, the certifying.

1058
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: Election thing is just going to be the death now

1059
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: for him, I think, for at least for a bunch

1060
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: for a lot of mags, a lot of them. I'm

1061
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: not saying that doesn't mean he could win a very

1062
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: much easily could win. It's not like the majority of

1063
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: Republicans you know, even support that. But you've got a

1064
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: pretty powerful faction here. And more importantly, if you do

1065
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: get elevated and you don't change the rules on motion

1066
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: to vacate, what's the point, you know, they're just going

1067
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: to keep taking you out.

1068
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 4: Like, so, what Democrats could do if they really did

1069
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 4: want to strike a deal, Jefferies could have the entire

1070
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 4: caucus walk okay, And so that means.

1071
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: That he just needs sweat was slight two thirds?

1072
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: Just a majority majority?

1073
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 11: Wow?

1074
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: Just so basically every if he wins in the closed

1075
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: room today, that means he has a majority of Republican support.

1076
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: Is there a majority of the Republican conference that's willing

1077
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 4: to go to the House floor and vote against Trump

1078
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 4: and say, you, I know, Tom Emmer, he's not a

1079
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: never Trumper, he's not an anti insurrectionist. He you know,

1080
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: whatever whatever argument they want to make is, and I

1081
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 4: think that there is. But then it's so embarrassing for

1082
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 4: them to have to do that. Yes, the spectacle of

1083
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 4: them working with Democrats. So the other other possibility that

1084
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 4: people are kicking around is that they do this for McCarthy,

1085
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 4: which a lot of people would like, a lot of

1086
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 4: Republicans would like to do, because it would be seen

1087
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: then as a humiliation for Gates, and so they can

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Speaker 4: personally get back at Gates.

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Speaker 3: I had not thought about that. But I don't even

1090
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: know if he's running.

1091
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: I mean he's not. He's not. But if it looked

1092
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: like he could come in at the last minute, they'd.

1093
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: Be like, all right, how many how much longer do

1094
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: you anticipate this going?

1095
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 4: This fund funding runs out November seventeenth, ok So they

1096
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 4: have to they have to figure something, yeah, at some point,

1097
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 4: or they just keep saying, you know what, Okay. McHenry

1098
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 4: continues to justody. Nobody seems to think like the idea

1099
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: of mckenry being speaker.

1100
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: For including him.

1101
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 4: I'm interesting.

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00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well that's a good run. So what

1103
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: time is the vote today?

1104
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 4: It starts at nine am, but you've got all right,

1105
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 4: everybody's going to give speeches, so it'll be a while.

1106
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 4: We should know by nine thirty, ten o'clock we should Well,

1107
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 4: you guys.

1108
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: Can update everybody on counterpoints tomorrow and give everyone.

1109
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 4: The skinny inside dope, no doubt.

1110
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, I want to hear it. I'll be

1111
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: I'll be waiting and I'll be anticipating that eagerly. Let's

1112
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: move on to Ukraine. Obviously, can't take our eye off

1113
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: the ball of what's going on. But it's just amazing

1114
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: to me that these confirmations and these stories, things that

1115
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: everybody knows is probably true but not officially true, comes

1116
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: in just years later and you get some of the

1117
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 2: most shocking news, and shocking in that it's not surprising,

1118
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: but if you had known this at the time, you

1119
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: would have just been absolutely stunned. Let's put this up

1120
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is from the Washington Post,

1121
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: a new deep dive into the CIA and its backing

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00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 2: of Ukrainian intelligence services, It says quote the missions that

1123
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: have evolved, elite teams of Ukrainian operatives drawn from directorates

1124
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 2: were formed, trained, and equipped in close partnership with the CIA.

1125
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: According to current and former Ukrainian and US officials, since

1126
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, CIA has spent tens of millions of dollars

1127
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: to transform Ukraine's Soviet form services into potent allies against Moscow.

1128
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: The agency has provided Ukraine with advanced surveillance systems, trained

1129
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: recruits at sites in Ukraine as well as in the

1130
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 2: United States, built them a new headquarters for departments in

1131
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: Ukraine's military intelligence agency shared intelligence on a scale that

1132
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: would have been unimaginable before Russia illegally annexed Crimea and

1133
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: then fomented a separatist war in eastern Ukraine. The CIA

1134
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: maintains a significant presence in Kiev. Officials said this is

1135
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 2: an official confirmation, basically Ryan that the Ukrainian kill squads

1136
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: behind the assassinations in Moscow, including of Jugina, the daughter

1137
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: of a political How do you even describe him like

1138
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: a supporter, like a Russian political supporter of the war

1139
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, as well as the architecture go with that.

1140
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1141
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: Let's know that, all right, and then that then also

1142
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: the team that was very likely behind the bombing of

1143
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: the nord Stream pipeline were formed, training and equipped by CEI.

1144
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: Now, on the one hand, it doesn't take a genius

1145
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: to figure it out.

1146
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: As we all remember the New York Times, you know,

1147
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: famous story, they're like Ukrainian group behind this Nordstream pipeline bombing,

1148
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, really, you're like this group that

1149
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: just so happened to get like special training and patriots

1150
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 2: and oh where do their money come from?

1151
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: Amazing?

1152
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: Right, It's only a couple of intelligence services in the

1153
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: whole world are capable of this, and one of them

1154
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: certainly ain't Ukraine, So I wonder where they got that from.

1155
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: They were like, we believe that outside groups, you know,

1156
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: helped advise them, and everyone. The literal meme on the

1157
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: Internet at the time was outside group equals CIA. Now

1158
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: it's just out there. It's just a direct confirmation. And

1159
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 2: I think what's shocking to me is not just the

1160
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: direct operational involvement bringing these people over, training them. It

1161
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: just shows me once again people do not comprehend the

1162
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: Ukrainian War is a US war. We are paying all

1163
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 2: their bills, we are giving them all of their weapons.

1164
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: They are doing the fighting, We are doing the planning,

1165
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: the paying, all of the things that like real nation

1166
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: states do. And on the intelligence side, you know, sure,

1167
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they're the ones who are technically pressing

1168
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: the button to kill some of these dissidents and all that,

1169
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: But every single one of their bills, all of their training,

1170
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 2: all of their software, all of their equipment, it's all

1171
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: coming from us. It's like the extent to which America

1172
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: is directly backstopping this entire thing is shocking still to me,

1173
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: and I know it to be true. The average person

1174
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: on the street, even people who are like I support Ukraine,

1175
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: they have no clue.

1176
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 5: You know.

1177
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: One of the things that came out to me in

1178
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: those documents, the leaked Pentagon documents that we got from

1179
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: the Discord leak. We never published them just for operational

1180
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: we didn't want to be accused of like helping the

1181
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: enemy or whatever. But one of the things that was

1182
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: crazy to me, it's not all the stuff that we

1183
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: just reported. It was all these official battle damage assessments.

1184
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: I still have them here, you know, in the files

1185
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: which show you the US using satellites and all this stuff.

1186
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: We are running all the most basic levels of operations

1187
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: at a military tactical level for the entire Ukrainian military.

1188
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 3: I didn't sign up, nobody signed up for that. We

1189
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: don't even know that it is happening. This is just

1190
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: another example of it.

1191
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 4: It reminds me of a quote from a senior Israeli

1192
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: defense official recently who was pressed on you know, why

1193
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: haven't you launched this ground in vasion yet? You might

1194
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 4: have seen this quote too, where he said, look, the

1195
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,959
Speaker 4: United States asked us not to write, and he said,

1196
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 4: they are funding and equipping the entire thing. What do

1197
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: you want me to do? Say no?

1198
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 3: At least he was honest about that.

1199
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's the same situation in Ukraine. We're funding

1200
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 4: and equipping and guiding and directing the entire thing. It

1201
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 4: is Ukrainian lives that are being put on the line,

1202
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 4: and so that puts them in a place of what

1203
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 4: do you want me to do?

1204
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 5: Say no?

1205
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 4: Right like this, this is our These are our choices

1206
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 4: if you and choices are in quotes.

1207
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately we actually give them choices. We don't tell

1208
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: them what to do. In my opinion, we should tell

1209
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: them what to do. And one of the most important

1210
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: things that is really coming through is the assessment now

1211
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 2: of the one hundred something billion dollars that we've given

1212
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: these people.

1213
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: How is it going?

1214
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: How is your counter offensive going? I came across this chart,

1215
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: which I am still shocked by. I knew that their

1216
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: counter offensive was not going well. I knew it was bad,

1217
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: but I did not realize that when you compare it

1218
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: to similar combined arms offensives from the last one hundred years,

1219
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: it is historically awful. Let's put this up there on

1220
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: the screen. This from CSIS, it's one of them. And

1221
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: by the way, this is one of the most establishment

1222
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: friendly think takes in the whole world. And they put

1223
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: together this graphic. This graphic is the rates of advance

1224
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: for selected combined arms offensives with no air power. Let

1225
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: me underscore that with no air power, which is why

1226
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: you have to go back over one hundred years.

1227
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: To World War One.

1228
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: Even in World War One, the rates of advance for

1229
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: troops in that war were better than the Ukrainians. The

1230
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: current advance per day meters per day for the Ukrainians

1231
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 2: in this counteroffensive is ninety meters. The last time so

1232
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: little progress was made by an attacking army in the

1233
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: offensive with no air power was nineteen fourteen, nineteen sixteen

1234
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: in the Battle of the Somme, where they advanced a

1235
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: similar amount of meters per day. So let that sink

1236
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 2: in that previous you know, previous offensive by Austria Hungary

1237
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: or sorry, by Russi against Austro Hungarian troops. We're getting

1238
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred meters per day. Previous offensives by the Italians

1239
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 2: against Austro Hunger getting five.

1240
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 3: Hundred bellow wood.

1241
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: Which reminds is you know, I believe that's where the

1242
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: term devil dog came from. For the US Marine Corps.

1243
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: It's remembered as a nightmare. They were advancing four hundred meters.

1244
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: Even Leningrad, which we remember in history, is like this

1245
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: horrific stalled operation. They were going a thousand today where

1246
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: we are right now. Just look at that graphic ninety

1247
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 2: meters the Battle of the Somme. I'll tell you, I've

1248
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: been to the Battle to the Somme.

1249
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: I've seen the amount of graveyards there.

1250
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: Fifteen year old's you know, a graveyard who was I'm

1251
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: telling you is one of the saddest things you just

1252
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 2: drive it in some of the most picturesque places that

1253
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: you've ever been on Earth, and then right on the

1254
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: side of the road is a graveyard erected by the

1255
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: widows of you know, whatever shire or something, where they're like, oh,

1256
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: all of our men from our English village were all

1257
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: killed in this one spot, and here's all the gravestones,

1258
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: and you know, erected in nineteen twenty three or whatever

1259
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: something like that, and it's heartbreaking. It's just like every

1260
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: mile that you go, Oh, a thousand Canadians or whatever,

1261
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: here's their graves.

1262
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: Bunch of Australians, here's their graves. And it's like that

1263
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: everywhere you go.

1264
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 2: And I'm not even talking about the Germans who were

1265
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: killed a two million or whatever that were killed. It's

1266
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: when you comprehend like what that type of attritional warfare

1267
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: looks like. It is nightmarish. And there's a reason that

1268
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: those people after that war happened were so anxious to

1269
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: never get into a war again, and why it was

1270
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: such a massive blow to the Psyche and what the

1271
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: fallout was. If you could play a role, as America

1272
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: could in making sure that doesn't happen, why would you

1273
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: not want to do that, and I think that's where

1274
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: we're at right now.

1275
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, those offensives that you put up and produced each

1276
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 4: of them generations of PTSD yes for the people lucky

1277
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 4: enough to survive them, which was not a big amount.

1278
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 4: And you're right, it reshaped kind of in entire cultural

1279
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 4: attitudes towards towards war, towards life itself. Right, and to

1280
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 4: have encouraged, armed, equipped, trained, and directed this with all

1281
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 4: of the forecasts that this is precisely what would happen.

1282
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 4: And if you look at Kharkiv on on that graphic,

1283
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: that was one where they caught the Russians off guard,

1284
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 4: made huge advances. They knew that the Russians would be

1285
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 4: fortified for this next one. Yes, and the fortifications with

1286
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 4: the drones and the trenches and the mortar like are

1287
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 4: clearly impenetrable at this point. And that was when the

1288
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 4: US was shipping all of its weapons right there. Now

1289
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 4: we're shipping half of them somewhere else.

1290
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: Well, that's a very good point because even when they

1291
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: were asked about it, the White House is now admitting

1292
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: we are low on the weapons we need if we

1293
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: ever need to defend the US.

1294
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: And now they're still closing, Oh, well.

1295
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 2: I don't even think we would make it past Warez

1296
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 2: currently with the rate of way amount of weapons that

1297
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: we even have in stockpiles. Consider this when you've got

1298
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: John Kirby, it asked directly in an interview admitting outright,

1299
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: we're running very low and they still want seventy billion

1300
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: dollars to send to Israel into Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: My question is the state of those stockpiles right now?

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Speaker 1: The state of where US weapons stockpiles stand, with two

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Speaker 1: wars sending now two different types of shipments on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis towards two US allies, how big is the

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Speaker 1: concern that the US is dangerously low on what it

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Speaker 1: should have for its own defense right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, of course it's a concern.

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Speaker 8: That's why we asked for that extra supplemental funding from Congress.

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Speaker 8: Without getting into classified information, I can assure you in

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Speaker 8: the American people that the United States military can continue

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Speaker 8: to defend our national security interests all around the world.

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Speaker 2: So we need a supplemental to revamp all of the stockpiles.

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Speaker 2: By that, he admits we don't have very much in

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Speaker 2: our stockpile.

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Speaker 4: And then he's like, we're good, don't worry.

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Speaker 3: Israel is a perfect example.

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Speaker 2: We had a massive AMMO dump in Israel waiting just

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Speaker 2: in case we ever went to war or if they

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Speaker 2: needed it, and then a couple of months ago we're like,

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Speaker 2: you know what, Ukraine needs it more and so we should.

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Speaker 3: If you're pro Israel, you should be furious at that.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, that you should be, because and the Israelis

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Speaker 2: themselves the amount that they were lectured by the international community,

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Speaker 2: and Zelenski, hey, you got to sell this these weapons.

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Speaker 2: You don't need them as much as we do, all

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Speaker 2: of us, and they were like, listen, we're a country

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Speaker 2: which is perpetual at war. We have no idea when

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Speaker 2: we might need it. They're right, there were one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent right. They're totally vindicated. Well, now what if that

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Speaker 2: happens to us. This is the problem and has been

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Speaker 2: from the very beginning on this conflict, with this sheer

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Speaker 2: amount of weaponry that we've been sending to Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: now that we're sending to Israel. Interestingly, actually, there was

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Speaker 2: a quote unquote Twitter space yesterday. I never know how

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Speaker 2: much any of this stuff moves the needle. But when

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Speaker 2: you have a man as famous as Elon Musk who

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Speaker 2: was speaking in terms like this, I think we should

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Speaker 2: all just take notice.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say yesterday.

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Speaker 10: So it's obviously absurd to have at the smaller army

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Speaker 10: charged the larger arms. Me when the larger army has

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Speaker 10: massive defenses and will inflict casualties at a rate there's

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Speaker 10: probably three to one, or maybe worse. It's a hopeless situation.

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Speaker 10: You might as well put you put your hand in

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Speaker 10: a meat grinder. So so I, so I, and and

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Speaker 10: and and every week that passes there are more Ukraine

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Speaker 10: boys that die, more Russian. And I think we'd have

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Speaker 10: some some ympathy too for the Russian boys that are

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Speaker 10: dying in those trenches as well. Do they want to

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Speaker 10: be there? Of course not so. Uh So that from

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Speaker 10: from from a humanitarian standpoint we should find I think

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Speaker 10: some we should push for a for a cease fire

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Speaker 10: and push for for peace in that region. And I

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Speaker 10: think then from a civilization or risk standpoint, we should

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Speaker 10: restore normal relations, uh with Russia. You know, this seems

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Speaker 10: like logical path.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting to me that that was also conducted

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Speaker 2: in the case of an Israel Hamas discussion with vig Ramaswami,

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Speaker 2: who also has been very sounding a note of caution

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Speaker 2: I think on Israel Hamas and what it would lead

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Speaker 2: to for the US. So I will just say this,

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Speaker 2: as much as the hysteria and all the nightmarish you know,

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Speaker 2: rhetoric and all that reminds me of post nine to

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Speaker 2: eleven and all of that, we at least have the

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Speaker 2: benefit of having too many people who all of us know,

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Speaker 2: who were affected by the madness of those wars, and

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Speaker 2: of recent enough history where we can literally watch it

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Speaker 2: on YouTube if we want to go back to say,

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Speaker 2: if we could do it all over again, we definitely

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Speaker 2: wouldn't do this. So, you know, the rhetoric, as bad

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Speaker 2: as it Israean, it's still better than it was.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and one.

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Speaker 4: And because people like you and I remember that the

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01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 4: strategic victor out of nine to eleven was Oslomon Law.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, Like he could not end the Iranians. Neither

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Speaker 4: of them could have asked for a better outcome, never

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Speaker 4: from you know, states to go into currently who runs Afghanistan, Taliban,

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 4: who runs a raq basically around Ron. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 4: at the cost of you know, trillions of dollars thousands

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Speaker 4: of American lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and

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Speaker 4: it took al Qaeda, which was kind of a little

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Speaker 4: fringe group to a place of you know, isis running

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Speaker 4: an entire caliphate for a little while, like all because

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Speaker 4: of choices that we made in response to the attack

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Speaker 4: on us. Like, we have agency in how we decide

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Speaker 4: to respond to these attacks, and our response can either

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Speaker 4: bring about more pain and bloodshed to us or less.

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Speaker 4: And it seems like we are just hell bent on

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Speaker 4: producing another Hell on Earth.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that is very well said, and it

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Speaker 2: is just another reminder about why, you know, discussions and

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01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 2: shows like this are important at this time. Let's move

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01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: on to the two stories, one which is very important,

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Speaker 2: one which is not important. The first one, though, is

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Speaker 2: one that I just personally, you know, people know I

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Speaker 2: have a lot of interest in air travel, and so

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Speaker 2: when I saw the details of this and I realized

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Speaker 2: that it wasn't getting nearly the amount of tension it deserved,

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Speaker 2: I was like, we have to cover this on the show,

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Speaker 2: just to make people aware and to keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on this to see if there was anything deeper than

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01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,560
Speaker 2: what appears right now on the surface. Let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen just for the details themselves.

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Speaker 2: In off duty Alaskan Airlines pilot tried to shut off

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Speaker 2: the engines on Everett flight. According to the airline, while

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Speaker 2: he was taking a ride on Sunday and in the

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Speaker 2: jump seat inside of the cockpit, so let that sink in.

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Speaker 2: This off duty pilot was riding as kind of a shotgun, right,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, hey, can I hate your ride?

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01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 2: The team was like, absolutely sure. The guy ord he

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Speaker 2: works for the airline because he's a pilot. They seed

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Speaker 2: him inside of the cockpit, which means he was screened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, has gone through security testing and theoretically, I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming this man is actually a flown real passengers. Well,

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Speaker 2: according to the authorities, while they were mid air, this pilot,

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Speaker 2: Joseph Emerson, tried to shut off the engines in flight,

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Speaker 2: had to be subdued by the crew, and in one

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Speaker 2: case even tried to deploy the fire suppression to stop

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Speaker 2: the engines from reigniting.

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Speaker 3: We don't know the exact details.

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Speaker 2: Passengers who were on the plane, by the way, they

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Speaker 2: say they had no idea any of this is happening,

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Speaker 2: which I'm not sure that I actually am comforted by

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Speaker 2: any of that. But here is the actual audio from

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Speaker 2: air traffic Control where they described this incident as they're

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Speaker 2: requesting landing for an emergency in Portland.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Okay, this give you a heads up.

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Speaker 2: We've got the guy that tried to shut the.

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Speaker 5: Engines down out of the cockpit.

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Speaker 12: And he doesn't sound like he's causing an issue in

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Speaker 12: the back right now.

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Speaker 2: I think he used to dude.

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Speaker 3: Other than that, yeah, were one long person.

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Speaker 12: Since we get on the ground in park.

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Speaker 3: Very calm.

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Speaker 4: I love him that at sixty two degrees and Portland,

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Speaker 4: Yeah expected this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Passengers were like, we had no clue. I had no

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01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: idea that it was going on. They just came on.

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Speaker 3: They're like, hey, we got a land in Portland. They're like, okay, whatever.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not.

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Speaker 2: Happy about it, but you had no idea that someone

1445
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Speaker 2: tried to crash the plane while we were there. Since then,

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Speaker 2: this man, Joseph Emerson, has been charged. Now let's put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen with eighty three counts

1448
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Speaker 2: of attempted.

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Speaker 3: Murder for allegedly trying to shut off the engines on

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Speaker 3: this flight.

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Speaker 2: And again, we don't know very much about Joseph Emerson

1452
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Speaker 2: except that he was charged now with eighty three counts

1453
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Speaker 2: of attempted murder, eighty three counts of reckless endangerment misdemeanor,

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Speaker 2: and one felon account of endangering in aircraft. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was you know, what's really I think crazy to me?

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Speaker 2: Ryan is one of the reasons that he was en

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Speaker 2: route from Everett to San Francisco is he was scheduled

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Speaker 2: to actually be on the flight crew of A seven

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Speaker 2: thirty seven. So that's the big question. I mean, was

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Speaker 2: this a moment of crisis? Is this a mental health event?

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Speaker 2: You know that happened that manifested? Is this I mean,

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Speaker 2: I hate to even spec it. This is like a

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Speaker 2: terrorist attack, Like what is happening here? Why did he

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Speaker 2: try to do it while he was off duty and

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Speaker 2: not whenever he was the actual pilot?

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is the backstory to all of this?

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Speaker 2: I will say one quote that they have is quote

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Speaker 2: he was heard in the moments prior saying something similar

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Speaker 2: to quote I'm not right. That's a federal official telling

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Speaker 2: ABC News again he was sitting in the flight deck

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Speaker 2: on the jump seat, and he unsuccessfully tried to disrupt it.

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Speaker 2: Presumably there's a recorder inside of there, so we should

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Speaker 2: be able to get the audio of everything that was happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just seems like a really crazy situation.

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Speaker 4: It We're extremely lucky that he tried to do it

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Speaker 4: as a copilot and that the pilot somehow managed to

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Speaker 4: fend him off. And the announcement to the passengers just

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Speaker 4: absolute classic American pilot, just a heads up that the

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01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 4: man who was trying to kill us all is no

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Speaker 4: longer in the cockpit, and the pilot who wants to

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Speaker 4: keep the engines on remains in the pilot. Local time

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Speaker 4: is two thirty seven, and we're going to have a

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Speaker 4: little turbulence at thirty thousand feet for the next thirty minutes,

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Speaker 4: so we're going to leave the seat belt signs on. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So just as like absolutely incredible to hear to hear that,

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Speaker 4: because I'm sure half the passengers weren't actually listening. Oh dea,

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Speaker 4: and then you kind of and then you halfway here,

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Speaker 4: like wait, hold on, did he just say, right, well,

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Speaker 4: so I tried to turn the engines plane passengers.

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Speaker 3: I think that was on air traffic control all again.

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Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure, because they also said

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Speaker 2: that they did come over on the passenger audio and

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01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:50,799
Speaker 2: just be like, hey, we're making a landing.

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01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: We're going to be fine, We're going to get you

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 3: off there.

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 4: Everything's good.

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Speaker 2: They some people were I think people were just confused.

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Speaker 2: They thought it was a serious medical emergency. Anyway, Look,

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Speaker 2: I mean he got eighty three souls. I think there

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Speaker 2: was even a lap infant, you know, on the plane.

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Speaker 2: What's scary thing is this man has been flying for

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Speaker 2: quite a long time. He's a forty four year old man.

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Speaker 2: They have photos of him posted in the flight career

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 2: uniform going back to twenty sixteen. I mean, I've flown

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Speaker 2: on an Alaskan Airlines flight from San Francisco, so it's

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the most common routes direct

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Speaker 2: flights from Washington from to Portland to San Francisco too,

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Speaker 2: I think to Los Angeles as well.

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Speaker 3: So I mean people I know take that plane probably

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Speaker 3: every day.

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Speaker 2: So this is one of those that definitely just hits

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Speaker 2: for all of us, and it's a terrifying situation.

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Speaker 3: The big question just remains, what was the motive here?

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 2: And you know, we can't forget, you know, there was

1515
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 2: that terrible I think it was a German Airlines flight,

1516
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 2: a Luftanza affiliate, in which the pilot committed suicide or

1517
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: the co pilot committed suicide while the pilot was in

1518
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: the bathroom. And then obviously there's still good jullion questions

1519
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 2: around Malaysian. The Malaysian flight that disappeared and the flight

1520
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 2: simulator and the pilot themselves still remains a mystery, pilot

1521
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: suicide being most likely explanation. So look, I guess the

1522
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 2: only consolation that we have here is that he tried

1523
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 2: it whenever he was off duty and in the jumpsuit

1524
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: a jump seat, was not while he was in the

1525
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 2: actual pilot's seat, which he was literally on route to do.

1526
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 2: So he's been arrested, presumably will be put on trial,

1527
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: and we'll get to the bottom of this. I certainly

1528
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: hope that we do so, but did want to give

1529
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: everybody an update on that situation. Last thing, this is

1530
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 2: a little at least the little bit of amount of

1531
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: fun I think they were allowed to have after more

1532
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 2: than two weeks now reporting on this horrific tragedy. The

1533
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 2: release of Killers of the Flower Moon, and I actually

1534
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 2: the inspiration for this ryan is that it is one

1535
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: of the biggest search terms amongst our audience. Really, yeah,

1536
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: that's what I was shocked by as to the level

1537
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 2: of yeah, not even just about that. It was like

1538
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 2: Killers of the flower Moon, breaking points review or something

1539
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 2: like that. Give the people what they were said, Okay,

1540
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 2: all right, we will give the people what they want.

1541
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: So I would have the privilege to being able to

1542
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: see the movie on Thursday, the day before and career

1543
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: it is.

1544
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I can. It is very long.

1545
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: It's long, So before I get to the actual review,

1546
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: let's give some of the details. That was a still

1547
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 2: from there. This movie is getting a significant amount of demand.

1548
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: We could put this up there on the screen. It's

1549
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: earned forty four million dollars at the global box office

1550
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 2: over the weekend, actually topping the Taylor Swift Eras tour,

1551
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 2: which I also did see.

1552
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 3: I can give you a separate review of that one.

1553
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 2: Impressively, if they say forty six percent of the opening

1554
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: night audience for Flower Moon was under the age of

1555
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: thirty five, one of the reasons I think that's really

1556
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 2: interesting is, and I do see this actually a willingness

1557
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: for people who are younger, people like myself to actually

1558
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 2: try and fulfill the legacy of what Scorsese wants, you know,

1559
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 2: to get back to the pictures, to indulge in the yard,

1560
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 2: to really understand the message that he was going for.

1561
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: This movie is three hours and thirty something minutes long,

1562
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: and I will say it's long. It's a long movie,

1563
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 2: and it's not a bad way. It's just it's a

1564
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 2: very long one. Our producer, Griffin is a big film guy.

1565
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 2: He was like, man, they really need to bring back intermissions.

1566
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: I could not agree more. Bollywood movies if you ever

1567
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 2: have to watch them, have intermissions and they're great. You know,

1568
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: you get to go to the bathroom. If somethod's gonna

1569
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: be four hour long, you don't want to be sitting

1570
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: in the chair with previews. It was about a four

1571
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 2: hour experience and I went at seven pm, so you

1572
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 2: can do the math.

1573
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 3: Stayed up well pass my bedtime for that one.

1574
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: In terms of the movie itself, the way I've been

1575
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 2: describing to everybody, I think the movie is a masterpiece.

1576
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely worth seeing.

1577
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: It is multiple movies and stories within one, and I

1578
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 2: think that's one of the genius of Scorsese. It is

1579
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 2: both this horrific tragedy of these o Sage Indians, the

1580
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 2: way that they were treated there at the time. There's

1581
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: some of the richest people in the world, and yet

1582
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: they have very little agency over their lives.

1583
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 3: They're being attacked, you.

1584
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 2: Know, they're being murdered in this case, you know, for

1585
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 2: their money. They're viewed as completely as second class citizens.

1586
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: But it's also a true crime story within that, the

1587
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: story the solving of the spate of murders and who

1588
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: was behind it, and then it's a human story. It's

1589
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 2: a romantic story in some cases where you have this

1590
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 2: dichotomy of like this man who appears to love his

1591
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,480
Speaker 2: wife but at the same time is you know, embroiled

1592
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: in this plot, but by the way spoiler alert, embroiled

1593
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: in this plot in order to murder her and all

1594
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: of her relatives. It's excruciating, honestly, and I mean that

1595
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 2: in the best of terms for a movie where you

1596
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: just feel so physically uncomfortable. When people have been asking

1597
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 2: me about how what it's like, I've been saying, it's

1598
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 2: like watching Shindler's List, where the first time you watch it,

1599
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: you know that you are watching a masterpiece.

1600
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 3: You are very upset. How many times are you really

1601
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 3: going to watch it in your life? Probably not many,

1602
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 3: maybe three, maybe.

1603
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: Four, Right, every time you guys need a reminder of

1604
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: just how horrible the Holocaust was, or you know, you're

1605
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 2: it's very rare that the stars aligned that you want

1606
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: to sit and you want to watch that movie and

1607
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 2: go through it again.

1608
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: That's a lot what it was like for me. It

1609
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 3: was just so brutal and difficult to sit there.

1610
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 2: And the thing is about the runtime of the movie

1611
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: is he's got enough time where you're in it, you know,

1612
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 2: you're feeling like the imagery of the osh people and

1613
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: how they're just being brutalized by the people around them

1614
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: and their senses of grief. You're in the lead actress

1615
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: Lily Glass, and she's incredible. I mean, we're watching this

1616
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 2: woman agonize and get on the verge of death as

1617
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 2: she both is in love with her husband but then

1618
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 2: doesn't understand that she's being slowly murdered by him, and

1619
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: then the sheer evil of all the people around who

1620
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: are taking advantage of the situation. So just sitting and

1621
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: dwelling in that man, it is really uncomfortable. And look,

1622
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 2: that's the mark of a great filmmaker. But that's my

1623
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 2: overall take. I think it's a great movie. I encourage

1624
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: everybody to go see it, and I really encourage people

1625
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 2: to read the book. It was one of the most

1626
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 2: popular books in the United States in the last decade.

1627
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 2: Everybody I know has read it, from people who usually

1628
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: only read fiction to people like me who read tons

1629
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 2: of books a year, and it's a great story.

1630
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 3: The author, David Grant, is one of my favorites. He

1631
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 3: wrote Last City of Z, one of my favorite books.

1632
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 4: Incredible.

1633
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: He's a New Yorker staff writer heat man. That man

1634
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 2: knows storytelling more than anyone else I know. So anyway,

1635
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,959
Speaker 2: that's my take for the YouTube search algorithm.

1636
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 4: You now have my review. I want to hear the

1637
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 4: well and let's give him a little history too that

1638
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: no you do it. This is And I haven't seen

1639
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 4: the movie yet. I can't wait to see it. I've

1640
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 4: been like eagerly anticipating the moment. We're all have four

1641
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 4: hours and I don't know when that's going to be,

1642
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 4: but I hope it's before it leaves the theater. But

1643
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 4: basically you had, so the situation you had is that

1644
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 4: the osage wind up on this massive reservation in Oklahoma,

1645
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 4: and then after that, so late eighteen nineties is when

1646
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 4: oil is discovered there, and the oil economy really starts

1647
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 4: blowing up in the late nineteenth century early twentieth century,

1648
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 4: and like the tech economy, it converts anybody who's in

1649
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 4: the right place at the right time into you know,

1650
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 4: contemporary billionaires the equivalent of billionaires. And everywhere that you

1651
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 4: had oil discovered, particularly around Native American reservations, you'd see

1652
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 4: massive violence to try to displace them from their rights

1653
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 4: over that oil. Or if if it were let's say,

1654
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 4: poor white settlers, like in some ways it almost easier

1655
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 4: because at least the kind of osage had legal, kind

1656
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 4: of tribal uh, you know, contractual claims that courts and

1657
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 4: Congress were willing to uphold. So that's why so much

1658
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 4: violence was needed, because you couldn't kind of go through

1659
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 4: the courts or buy them out or trick them so

1660
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 4: that in so it wasn't just the OSA, just so

1661
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 4: many other places you had to They just were then

1662
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 4: killed just to move them out of the way. And so, uh,

1663
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 4: it's kind of represented It's an amazing story in its

1664
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 4: own right, but it's representative of a bigger trend that

1665
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 4: we saw unfolding at that.

1666
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely yeah.

1667
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 2: And I think Scorsese takes immense length to how he

1668
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,839
Speaker 2: even puts himself in the movie its plot twist.

1669
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 3: Near the end in order to just try.

1670
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 2: I think the key thing, based upon everything that I've read,

1671
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 2: is in the beginning, the script was a lot like

1672
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 2: the book.

1673
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 3: The book is the story of the solving of these murders.

1674
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: But the more that they went through it, they realized

1675
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 2: in this small scene between the husband and the wife

1676
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: was they were like, no, that's the core of the

1677
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 2: story is a love story. And through that love story

1678
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 2: in this screwed up way where this man loves his wife,

1679
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: but he's also exploiting his wife and he's trying to

1680
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: steal her money, he's trying to murder, he's complicit in

1681
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: the murders of her entire family.

1682
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: Is the humanity and the inhumanity of that.

1683
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 2: Is the story itself, and then you build the crime

1684
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: on top of it. And what he tried to do

1685
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: is he tried to show the humanity of the Osage

1686
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: Indians and at every turn the way that they were

1687
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: discriminated against and even in their riches that they were,

1688
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, humiliated. They were treated to second class by

1689
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: the government, by the law authorities, by all the men

1690
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 2: around them who were managing their money on their behalf,

1691
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 2: and basically just bloodsucking leeches that viewed them as viewed

1692
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 2: them as an avenue to get riches and not as

1693
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: fellow human beings. And I think he dwells and he

1694
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 2: spends a lot of time in that for good reason

1695
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 2: because by doing that, you know, the true crime part

1696
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: of it, it's great, it's a good it's a fun

1697
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 2: detective story. I think Jesse Plemmons does a great job

1698
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 2: doing in that role. But I didn't even see him

1699
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: ttil two hours in, you know, and I'm I spent

1700
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 2: two hour I've spent a whole movie just sitting there

1701
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: and being like, oh my god, like this is horrible,

1702
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: and just watching this over and over again. And Leo,

1703
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, Leo does his best when he's like likable

1704
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: playing dumb but also a real companion to evil. De

1705
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: Niro is like absolutely top tier in He's like ten

1706
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 2: out of ten in his performance in this. I can't

1707
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: think of a single bad performance. It was a lot

1708
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 2: of interesting cameos. Jason isbel Is in there like he's

1709
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 2: the country singer makes a role. He does a pretty

1710
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: good job.

1711
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 3: Actually.

1712
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: I enjoyed his performance over over and over again. It

1713
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 2: just highlights this consistent theme of the oce age getting

1714
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 2: taken advantage of. And I think you did a good

1715
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: job of memorializing the story and just highlighting the immense

1716
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 2: injustice done to them as a people, not just you know,

1717
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 2: the story of this family is the story of the people,

1718
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: and that's a great part of the book too. And

1719
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: it actually ends kind of it ends highlighting their plight

1720
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: what happened to them, but then their resilience through the

1721
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: last hundred years as well, holding onto their identity.

1722
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 4: You buried the lead here. What about the aerostour, Oh,

1723
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 4: the Aras tours.

1724
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 3: It's honestly the a I saw.

1725
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 4: That with my bunch of neighborhood folks, brought a bunch

1726
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 4: of kids to.

1727
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it for that reason for people like your daughters,

1728
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 2: is that it was just really fun to watch these

1729
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: like eight year love Its just lose in mind.

1730
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, this is adorable. I'm like,

1731
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 3: these kids are having so much fun.

1732
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 2: I went because my fiance is like a massive Taylor

1733
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: swift fan, and so I was like, okay, you know,

1734
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: well we'll go and we'll check it out.

1735
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 3: We didn't.

1736
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 2: We didn't go to the concert, and so I really

1737
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I thought it was fun. I will say

1738
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 2: I thought it was too long. You know, it's too

1739
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: and it's funny because it was only it's an hour

1740
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: shorter than Killers of the Flower Moon. But the thing

1741
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 2: is is that if you're not one of those little

1742
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 2: girls who's getting up and who's dancing the entire time,

1743
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 2: you're just sitting watching a concert for two hours or

1744
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 2: forty five minutes and.

1745
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 3: You're not participating in the concert.

1746
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 2: And you know, I think if you were there, some

1747
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: of the parts of the show which dragged would have

1748
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: been fine.

1749
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 3: I'm not a big ever more guy. Or what's the

1750
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 3: other one?

1751
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Folklore is that the album okay, there you go, see

1752
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 2: my music listening basically stopped like twenty sixteen.

1753
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 3: So for me it was fun.

1754
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 2: You know, you get to sing you Belong with Me

1755
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: and all the other ones that are like key parts

1756
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 2: of your child Field twenty two, all these of the

1757
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 2: songs from your young adulthood. But after a while, when

1758
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 2: you get to the songs that you don't necessarily know

1759
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 2: as well. You're not even participating in the crowd. You're

1760
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: just sitting in a movie theater. So for me, that's

1761
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: where really dragged. I never felt like Killers dragged at all,

1762
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 2: but I felt like a good portion of the Tailor

1763
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 2: Show dragged for me.

1764
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 4: What did you think?

1765
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 3: May I go forty five minutes?

1766
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 4: I got up and danced because otherwise I wouldn't made it. Yeah,

1767
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 4: all right, that was Yeah, that was That's the way

1768
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 4: to get to get through it. And that made it

1769
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 4: like a deeply enjoyable experience. You're right, it's infectious to

1770
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 4: see the kids just having so much fun.

1771
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 2: Even just sitting there watching these kids have fun, I

1772
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: had a good time. I mean just you know, these

1773
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: kids are like running back and forth and screams, waving

1774
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: around there, waving there and saying, you know these It

1775
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,639
Speaker 2: was amazing to watch, and I think it did make

1776
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: me wish that I had gone to the concert, because again,

1777
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like a casual fan when you put

1778
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: me up against some of these like swifty girls. But

1779
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean, though that just being in that environment

1780
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 2: isn't deeply infectious. So if you have kids, specifically little

1781
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: girls and they liked that swift. Definitely go go do it.

1782
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 2: It's it's totally worth your time.

1783
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 4: My son, my son like twenty minutes and he's like, yeah,

1784
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 4: get me out of here, man, really, so you gotta dance,

1785
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 4: and he danced. Thing got into it all right.

1786
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: I saw I think I saw two boys dancing. So yeah,

1787
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 2: there's something for everybody there if you want. All right,

1788
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 2: that was a good way on the show. It was

1789
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: actually fun to talk about something lighthearted for once. You

1790
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 2: guys are gonna have counterpoints tomorrow.

1791
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 4: I want to have another plug Oh November twenty seventh,

1792
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 4: Crystal and I will be at Politics and Pros in DC,

1793
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 4: oh for my book The Squad, which is okay coming

1794
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: out around that time. So Crystal is gonna like do

1795
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 4: the Q and A thing that you do with the

1796
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 4: book talk.

1797
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 2: So wow, big Politics and Pros Ryot's truly made it

1798
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: right in Washington. That is the mark of a true

1799
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: member of the establishment. We'll do a far more official

1800
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: announcement in promotion my friends, so don't worry, but people

1801
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 2: will put that on their calendars. It was always great

1802
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: to co host a show with you, Ryan, and we

1803
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 2: will see you all later.